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Pettitte, Sabathia and the plan moving forward

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 27, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Obviously there’s a lot to write today, but here are the nuts and bolts for right now.

What happened to Andy Pettitte?
Casey Kotchman’s sixth-inning comebacker hit him just above the left ankle. Tests revealed a broken fibula at the ankle. He’ll need roughly six weeks to heal, which likely means two months before he’ll be back on the active roster. For now he’s on the 15-day disabled list, but Brian Cashman said he’ll likely be transfered to the 60-day.

“Obviously it hurt, but I’ve been hit in the shin and that area so many times and have never had to come out of the game,” Pettitte said. “I was like, alright, it just got me in a good spot. I’ll just get on the mound and eventually it’s going to go away if I take enough time. It was bothering me in my warm-ups for sure, I just figured I could get through it. As soon as I threw that first pitch, I just had an awful lot of pain run all the way down into my foot. At that point, I felt like it might be something, but still it’s like, surely it’s not broke. Unfortunately, yeah, it’s fractured.”

What happened to CC Sabathia?
On one particular pitch on Sunday, Sabathia felt something near his left groin. He stayed in the game believing it was minor, but when it lingered during a bullpen session on Tuesday, he went for tests which revealed a strained adductor muscle. He’s likely to miss two starts.

“I tried to pitch through it, but that was probably the wrong decision to keep pushing it and ended up hurting it some more,” Sabathia said. “… I don’t think the side session (did any more damage) because it felt about the same as it did Sunday night. But I felt it on one pitch, I think it was the fourth inning, and just kept pitching and I probably made it a little worse.”

Who’s taking their spots?
Freddy Garcia will take Pettitte’s spot in the rotation and start on Monday. Adam Warren will be called up from Triple-A to start in Sabathia’s spot on Friday. Ryota Igarashi will also be called up to fill a roster spot. Both Warren and Igarashi will be here tomorrow. Warren will have to be added to the 40-man, but Cashman said he expects to open a 40-man spot by putting Pettitte on the 60-day.

“CC is due back right after the break,” Cashman said. “Andy, you’re talking about a minimum of six weeks of healing, and as a starter you have to get him going again, so I’ll throw two months in there in Andy’s case. We’ll just have to figure it out and see what happens. I would prefer not to go outside. Obviously if we do go outside, we’ve done that before. This is part of the process. You have to have alternatives. This gives opportunities for people to step up. Just like some guys in the bullpen have allowed us to step up and withstand some injuries — that’s what Boone Logan, Clay Rapada and Eppley have done — we’re going to have to ask for some other guys to do that for the rotation, as well. Let’s play it out and see where it takes us.”

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78 Responses to “Pettitte, Sabathia and the plan moving forward”

  1. blake June 27th, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    Good approach …..hope the internal options work. They do have a lead so hopefully they can hang in there……the offense and Hughes, Nova, and Kuroda have to step up.

  2. MTU June 27th, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    “We’ll just have to figure it out and see what happens. I would prefer not to go outside. Obviously if we do go outside, we’ve done that before. This is part of the process. You have to have alternatives. This gives opportunities for people to step up. Just like some guys in the bullpen have allowed us to step up and withstand some injuries — that’s what Boone Logan, Clay Rapada and Eppley have done — we’re going to have to ask for some other guys to do that for the rotation, as well. Let’s play it out and see where it takes us.”

    The right course of action. From the Horse’s mouth.

  3. Warning Track Power June 27th, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    60 DL for Pettitte means a roster spot can be opened up. On the downside, that means Pettitte is unable to return to The Bronx for 60 days-DARN!!!

  4. tucker June 27th, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    This could be a stressor on the pen. If Warren throws a clunker, will Igarashi be able to eat enough innings to save the rest of the pen. Then Freddie starts on Monday, and he is not stretched out … The shuttle from the Empire Yanks to the Bronx better be ready because the team is likely going to need reinforcements.

  5. MTU June 27th, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    I would have preferred Phelps were a part of the mix.

    Hope he is getting stretched out quickly.

  6. TD213 June 27th, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    This probably kills the chance of Andy coming back next year. He has spent most of this time rehabbing and getting in shape rather than starting – probably not worth it for him to do it again next year.

    Bring back Kuroda for another year

  7. MTU June 27th, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    Mitchell can eat a ton of innings out of the pen.

    Aardsma should be ready within a month.

    Joba shortly thereafter.

  8. Warning Track Power June 27th, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    I have been critical in the past of Soriano, but I have to give the guy a lot
    of credit for how well he has pitched so far since Mo’s injury.
    I want to think Soriano has learned a lot from sitting with Mo day after day the past
    few seasons. Maybe some of Mo’s wisdom rubbed off on Soriano and he has applied
    that to how he pitches to hitter’s in specific situations.

  9. tucker June 27th, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    Good approach …..hope the internal options work. They do have a lead so hopefully they can hang in there……the offense and Hughes, Nova, and Kuroda have to step up.
    Xxxx
    Lot of pressure on Hughes, Kuroda and Nova to last 6-7 innings each start, at least until the big man comes back in two weeks.

  10. MTU June 27th, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    It was nice having 2 quality Lefties in our Ro.

    :(

  11. Jerkface June 27th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    @jnorris427

    Confirmed. Dellin Betances is in Trenton and will be activated today. #Yankees

    Also signed Mike O’Brien for about 50k under slot according to Jim Callis.

  12. blake June 27th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    “Lot of pressure on Hughes, Kuroda and Nova to last 6-7 innings each start, at least until the big man comes back in two weeks.”

    True….but they have been already so hopefully they can maintain it.

  13. Jerkface June 27th, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    It was nice having 2 quality Lefties in our Ro.

    Pettitte going down is reminding me of his 2010, where he was doing really well and then ended up injured and coming back in September.

  14. Yankee Trader June 27th, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    This is probably what Pettitte’s X-Ray looks like:

    http://www.google.com/imgres?q.....s:15,i:165

  15. MTU June 27th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    JF-

    I hope that Andy can do just that.

    We’ll miss having him in the meantime.

  16. hardwired7 June 27th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    “This probably kills the chance of Andy coming back next year.”

    I think the opposite is true. The way he’s pitched so far this yr has been beyond anyone’s wildest dreams. He obviously still has plenty in the tank, and he’s made no secret about how much he loves beyond around the team.

    The resolve seems to be the same as it ever was for Pettitte. I don’t think this injury would in any way preclude him from coming back next season.

  17. hardwired7 June 27th, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    *being around the team

  18. Yankee Trader June 27th, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    Repost-

    I’m the Brewers GM. You want Zack Greinke. I need a cost controlled young bullpn arm, so for starters I want Dave Robertson. If no D-Rob than I must have a young major league ready starter, so I want Iva Nova. Need some speed as Ryan Braun is the only one with > 10 steals.Is Eduardo Nunez available to take over for my struggling 2nd baseman-Rickie Weeks? No. OK give me Ronnier Mustelier and Zoilo Almonte. Need a 4th player from Charleston.

    Deal? Oh now you want a window to sign Greinke to an extension, and you want a dye contrast MRI study of his right shoulder?

  19. MTU June 27th, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    HW-

    I agree. Definitely don’t think AP will be less likely to return because of this.

    He obviously keeps himself in tip top shape.

    The bone should heal stronger than ever.

  20. tucker June 27th, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    I have some faith in Garcia. He’s a vet, won’t get rattled and his stuff seems to have returned. The question is how long can he last each game.

    Phelps may be up soon depending on how well Warren throws. Hope he is nearly stretched out.

  21. MTU June 27th, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    All of sudden there are several opportunities for our young starters.

    Hope they make the most of it.

    ;)

  22. Jerkface June 27th, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    All of sudden there are several opportunities for our young starters.

    I wish our guys with the highest upside weren’t dead or doing poorly. Missing their window of opportunity.

  23. waka flocka June 27th, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    if you wouldn’t trade Nova, Nunez, and Almonte for Greinkie then you’re nuts.

  24. Rich in NJ June 27th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    Do not trade for a pitcher!

  25. Yankee Trader June 27th, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    MTU-

    Family member any better?

  26. Yankee Trader June 27th, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    Wacka-

    That’s Nova, Nunez, Z. Almonte and one of the studs in Charleston.

  27. blake June 27th, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    “Do not trade for a pitcher!”

    Yet….in 2010 things were sailing along then Pettite got hurt and everything went to pot…….we passed on Haren and the rest is history…..hopefully everything wont go to pot this year.

  28. MTU June 27th, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    JF-

    You mean like Banuelos and Betances ?

    I don’t think Banuelos was in the cards this season.

    Betances does not know where the plate is.

    IMO the priority should be Phelps, Warren, Mitchell.

    In that order.

    Phelps is not stretched out yet.

    Warren is capable. He is going to get his shot.

    Hope he makes the most of it.

  29. Pat M. June 27th, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    Rich in NJ is right, there’s no need to trade for another starter unless you plan on moving Hughes or Nova for a right hand hitting outfielder…….This current issue with the rotation can and should be resolved internally

  30. MTU June 27th, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    YT-

    Stable. Adjustments need to be made over the coming months.

    Thanks for asking.

  31. Jerkface June 27th, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    You mean like Banuelos and Betances ?

    I don’t think Banuelos was in the cards this season.

    Betances does not know where the plate is.

    It doesn’t matter what the Yankees had planned for either this season. With their 2 best starters down if either were showing something they would have been considered because it would not be permanent (most likely), and getting a taste is always good.

    Instead Banuelos is injured, which is starting to be a thing with him, and Betances is terrible. This is like Kennedy in 09, where he had a clear window of opportunity but was injured. Either one of these guys could end up traded rather than Yankees because they are missing key chances to impress and their problems are making them hard to count on.

  32. MTU June 27th, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    I quoted Cash above.

    He is going to see what our in-house guys can do before considering other options.

    That makes sense.

    If they can’t fill the void he’ll look elsewhere.

  33. MTU June 27th, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    JF-

    I don’t think Banuelos would have been called even if he were doing well.

    He needs additional seasoning IMO. A full season at AAA.

    If it were me I would not have brought him up.

    Betances maybe. But he does not know where the plate is so it’s a moot point.

    There is every chance that a guy like Phelps is better than either right now, or possibly going forward.

  34. UnKnown June 27th, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    The key is CC. We know it’s going to be awhile til Andy gets back, but how hurt is CC is the key.

    A relative quick return of CC to the mound and this team is going to be fine.

  35. Rich in NJ June 27th, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    “Yet….in 2010 things were sailing along then Pettite got hurt and everything went to pot…….we passed on Haren and the rest is history…..hopefully everything wont go to pot this year.”

    That was the year that the extremely well-paid duo of Vazquez and Burnett had an 81 ERA+ and an 82 ERA+, respectively.

    They didn’t have the Phelps/Warren types as depth, and I think Hughes and Nova can continue to raise their game.

    Plus, I suspect that Garcia, who normally has poor ST, gave a little extra and maybe overexerted himself before he was ready, and the ensuing drop in velo seems to have reversed itself.

    But let’s say all of that (and Joba, as you mentioned earlier) aren’t enough.What can they move?

    Sanchez, Williams, Austin? That would be an unmitigated disaster and further skew their organizational depth with so many aging/declining players on the ML roster. What’s a Killer B worth now? Only a very discounted price probably.

    So ok, a marginal move, maybe, but sometimes you just have to make the best of what’s still around (with apologies to The Police).

  36. LGY June 27th, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    Sucks about Betances. Really hope the hometown kid can get straightened out and make it to the Bronx instead of getting Brackman’d.

  37. Warning Track Power June 27th, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    LGY-
    I agree. The talk coming out of ST last year was this kid
    would be wearing a Yankee uniform in 2012 and beyond.

  38. LGY June 27th, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    No way I’m trading 4.5 years of Nova for 0.5 year of Greinke. The Yankees cannot afford to make a trade like that.

  39. blake June 27th, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    Rich,

    Id only deal for a pitcher if a lot of things go bad…..like Andy gets delayed…..or another pitcher becomes injured or ineffective etc…..right now stay the course and hope to hold court until guys get healthy.

    There will be some cheaper guys available most likely as well if they need help but not on the Garza or Greinke level…..Vargas in Seattle…..Saunders…..guys like that

  40. MTU June 27th, 2012 at 6:23 pm

    Cashman has already stated that he will give in-house options a viewing before considering anything else.

    That’s how it should be.

    If they step up the problem will be solved.

    If not, Cashman will go from there.

    I feel very confident that at least one or two of Phelps, Mitchell, or Warren can make a significant impact.

    At least on a temporary basis.

  41. Yank 97 June 27th, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    “No way I’m trading 4.5 years of Nova for 0.5 year of Greinke. The Yankees cannot afford to make a trade like that.”

    Agree. People need to understand that with the new budget, they need to get cost-controlled value from somewhere. Hughes should be the young starter moved, if one has to be moved, just based on economics.

    If Nova proves to be legit this year, they have a young cost-controlled starter for the next 4 years.

  42. Pat M. June 27th, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    Rich in NJ……..What do you think is the most pressing issue to resolve by the trade deadline ???

  43. MTU June 27th, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    Meanwhile back at the Ranch we have won a crapload of games lately and built ourselves a nice little cushion to fall back on.

    We can use that to see what the youngsters have to offer.

    I like that.

    :)

  44. Jerkface June 27th, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    I don’t think Banuelos would have been called even if he were doing well.

    He needs additional seasoning IMO. A full season at AAA.

    If it were me I would not have brought him up.

    Betances maybe. But he does not know where the plate is so it’s a moot point.

    There is every chance that a guy like Phelps is better than either right now, or possibly going forward.

    Dunno what you’re talking about MTU. Of course Betances doesnt know where the plate is, that is why this is a missed opportunity for him. That is entirely my point. And as for Banuelos, YOU might not do it, but the Yankees certainly would, which is the point! Our best pitching prospects are missing a window of opportunity because they are playing poorly or injured.

    So of course Phelps, et al will get the shot before them.

  45. blake June 27th, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    Pat m,

    Which right handed hitting outfielder? What have the “pool girls” told you?

  46. Rich in NJ June 27th, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    blake

    I understand. I really believe they will be fine, and maybe Nova and Hughes stepping up are the real keys.

    I really do wish they’d re-think the Joba situation though……

  47. Rich in NJ June 27th, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    Pat

    I had thought it was an OF, but as of now I am in wait-and-see mode.

  48. MTU June 27th, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    JF-

    The fact that the Yankees often choose to do the expedient rather than the smart thing is what I’m talkin’ about.

    Bringing Banuelos in that fashion is just the kind of thing they should not be doing.

    You may be exactly right that is what they would do.

    I just don’t agree with it.

    Phelps is already a complete Pitcher. Banuelos is not.

    ;)

  49. MTU June 27th, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    I want the “all hands on deck” mentality to disappear.

    ;)

  50. GreenBeret7 June 27th, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    Trader, MTU, Tom In Georgia,

    Here is a great article on Mickey Mantle. It’s 3 pages but worth the read. Also, highly recommend Jane Leavy’s Mantle: “The Last : Mickey Mantle And The End Of America’s Childhood”. Also recommend: “Sandy Koufax: A Lefty’s Legacy”.

  51. LGY June 27th, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    @AndrewMarchand: I suggested to Cashman that he could make Joba a starter. He said that would be good for ESPNNY.com

  52. Pat M. June 27th, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    blake…..Bernadette told me that my chlorine level was a little low and that the LA Dodgers will beat the NY Yankees in the World Series……I just nodded my head and told her she has a nice tan……She attends UC Santa Barbara and is on the water polo team…….Her assistant is off the charts………Yanks stay on track to obtain a right hand hitting outfielder, maybe one to stay for awhile……..I still say they’ll be some major moves this winter as the club looks forward……..Going to shock many of the LoHuders

  53. ron June 27th, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    Yankee Trader June 27th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
    Wacka-

    That’s Nova, Nunez, Z. Almonte and one of the studs in Charleston
    ————————————————————————————————————————

    Way too much.
    With nova being cost controlled,and losing a charleston stud.No way.

    I doubt garza can win more games than nova in ny,even being a better pitcher.
    Those are the kinds of trades that kill a club.
    If i am not getting a hamels,greinke,etc…,i sit still.

  54. GreenBeret7 June 27th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    MTU June 27th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
    HW-

    I agree. Definitely don’t think AP will be less likely to return because of this.

    He obviously keeps himself in tip top shape.

    The bone should heal stronger than ever.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Pettitte has already said that his job right now is to sit on the bench and wave his pom-poms and cheer for the team. That says that instead of going home for good, he’s coming back, just as Rivera said he would. Neither will go out on less than their own terms.

  55. MTU June 27th, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    Pat M.-

    “I still say they’ll be some major moves this winter as the club looks forward……..Going to shock many of the LoHuders”

    Such as ?

    You mean like moving Grandy ?

  56. MTU June 27th, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    GB-

    Thanks for reading suggestions.

    “Neither will go out on less than their own terms.”

    I agree. That’s how it should be for 2 great players.

    ;)

  57. GreenBeret7 June 27th, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    If NYYs can’t acquire better than Swisher, they won’t go after his replacement. Gardner is another story. It’s his spot that will be on the hot seat.

  58. Rich in NJ June 27th, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    “@AndrewMarchand: I suggested to Cashman that he could make Joba a starter. He said that would be good for ESPNNY.com”

    I want to hear Cashman cite medical evidence that shows that Joba is more of a health risk as a starter than Pineda.

  59. blake June 27th, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    Pat M never names names…..except Bernadette of course.

  60. Rich in NJ June 27th, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    Bernadette makes me think of the Four Tops.

  61. blake June 27th, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    “Bernadette makes me think of the Four Tops.”

    Lol….yea.

  62. MTU June 27th, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    Blake-

    Nobody likes a tease.

    :)

  63. blake June 27th, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    Timmy had a good start today….7 innings no runs….he did face a AAA dodger lineup without Kemp and Ethier but still….

  64. MTU June 27th, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    So Pat thinks the Yankees are likely to reconfigure the OF in the OS.

    I wouldn’t be one bit surprised.

    I think they need to do some thinking about their Catchers too.

    ;)

  65. blake June 27th, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    “I want to hear Cashman cite medical evidence that shows that Joba is more of a health risk as a starter than Pineda.”

    Joba throws harder out of the bullpen#justified

  66. Pat M. June 27th, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    blake…..wonder if our boy Nick was at Pac Bell / AT&T ballpark…..MTU, I Granderson could be moved as the first step in the transformation of The NY Yankees as a 189 million dollar ballclub…..I hate to see Curtis leave but if the right mix of younger talent can be had then he’ll be gone…….Austin being hurt this season makes the Martin issue a big gamble…….Then there is Robinson Cano ??????

  67. blake June 27th, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    “blake…..wonder if our boy Nick was at Pac Bell / AT&T ballpark…”

    Dont know….he will probanly say later.

    Cano’s extension price tag is probably starting to look like that national debt board they show on the news about now……

  68. GreenBeret7 June 27th, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    Adam Miller, Trenton starter is released by Yankees and reliever, Preston Claiborne is going to Scranton. David Adams’ bat is waking up lately and has his first homer of the year today, a 2 run shot.

  69. MTU June 27th, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    Pat M.-

    I would hate to see Grandy go too.

    His next contract would take us thru his age 36/37 season.

    Perhaps the Yankees do not want to go there again.

    Martin is not producing the way he should with the bat.

    He is like to cost upwards of 7 mil/per. At that rate I think we can do better.

    Cano is not going anywhere. Too good.

  70. Dean Winters June 27th, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    “@AndrewMarchand: I suggested to Cashman that he could make Joba a starter. He said that would be good for ESPNNY.com”

    ————————–

    Sure makes sense what’s the point of having another potential starter not just this yr but next

  71. blake June 27th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    Granderson would only be attractive to contending teams unless it came with an extension….trying to think of teams that would want him and also would have the type of young talent the Yanks woukd need in return?…..its a tough match since hes almost a FA…….lot of teams would love to have him…..I doubt a lot of teams would want to trade good controllable players for 1 year of him though……

  72. MTU June 27th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    Oops !

    I forgot that Cano is Boras client.

    :(

  73. luis June 27th, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    Hello everyone!

    Greetings from MIA in the Admirals Club… I hope they don’t trade for a pitcher, they don’t need it and if they do they are bound to overpay, hurting the Yankees in the long run for years to come.

    I wouldn’t trade Nova or Hughes, unless it is for Kershaw.

    At the trade deadline I would stand pat. Unless a good cost controlled OF shows his face at a reasonable price. I don’t see anything worth the pain as of now.

  74. Dean Winters June 27th, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    I want to hear Cashman cite medical evidence that shows that Joba is more of a health risk as a starter than Pineda.

    ———————–

    Even if there is evidence they would still get more out of him as a stater than reliever. We can all agree he would help the pen but is his loss that big. The only yr he had a a real impact in bullpen was 07 when he came up in August and was pitching every other day

  75. luis June 27th, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    About Joba….He has more value as a SP right now than as a reliever…When they brought him up in 07 our BP was in shambles, that’s not the case anymore.

  76. blake June 27th, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    The only chance for Joba to start again would probably involve Joba himself going to the Yankees and pleading his case to do it…..

  77. RS June 27th, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    The Yankees could win a championship with the pitchers they have on the DL!

    Sabathia
    Pettitte
    Pineda

    Aardsma
    Joba
    Rivera

  78. RS June 27th, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    “About Joba….He has more value as a SP right now than as a reliever…When they brought him up in 07 our BP was in shambles, that’s not the case anymore.”

    We also have another heir apparent to Mo…


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