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Postgame notes: “It’s time to put my pom-poms on”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Jun 27, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Andy Pettitte did his very best to sound positive this afternoon, but it was hard not to feel bad for him as he came hobbling into the clubhouse with a boot around his foot and a crutches under his arms.

“You want to help this club,” he said. “But, man, we’ve got a lot to be positive about. We’re playing well, everybody’s throwing the ball well, and we’ve got guys that are going to step up and do a great job. I’ll be back. Time flies quick. I’ll be back before you know it. I know C’s going to be down for a couple of starts, so we’ve just got to weather the storm. Nobody’s going to feel sorry for you with injuries and stuff like that. We’ve got a lot of good stuff going on here. We’ve got plenty of guys who can step in and do the job so it’s time to put my pom-poms on and be a cheerleader now for six weeks or so.”

Make no mistake, this was a very bad day for the Yankees, but it was also a day when they rallied for a one-run win, completed a three-game series sweep and extended their winning streak to five games. Freddy Garcia seems to have figured out some things, and Robinson Cano is impossibly hot right now, and Dave Robertson looked like his old self. Even Rafael Soriano — struggling while pitching for the fourth time in five days — found a way to get the big out he needed for his 17th save.

“It’s a good test,” Alex Rodriguez said. “We’ve been tested a little bit more than we’d like to be tested around here. Mo went down, and guys have stepped up. Gardner went down, other guys stepped up. We’ll have to do the same. It’s a long season. When you come out of spring training and break camp, you don’t expect to have 25 guys healthy the whole year. Today is another challenge, and I think we’ll do fine.”

• Robinson Cano went 3-for-4 with the go-ahead home run in the sixth inning. He’s homered in seven of his past 10 games, and in 14 of his past 32 games. This month he’s hitting .345 with 20 runs, three doubles, one triple, 10 homers and 18 RBI. According to Elias, this marks his most homers for any calendar month in his career.

• Garcia has been terrific since moving to the bullpen, and although the Yankees wanted to save him to start on Friday, they needed him today and Garcia delivered. He retired all seven batters he faced for his second win. “It’s too bad,” Garcia said. “We lost CC and Andy today. I don’t want to get back in the rotation that way, but that’s how it happened. It’s part of the game and stuff happens. I’ll always be ready for whatever role they want me to do, so that’s what I’ve been doing. I was in the bullpen and I did my job, trying to help the team and trying to help the bullpen.”

• Girardi said Soriano’s struggles might have been because he pitched four of the past five days. “He might be a little fatigued, a day game after a night game,” Girardi said. “There’s a good chance I’ll give him tomorrow off. I’ll see how he feels, but that could have been it. It looked like he was just missing today.”

• Clay Rapada allowed a single to Jason Kipnis, snapping a streak of 19 consecutive left-handed hitters retired. Lefties are hitting .148 with two extra-base hits against him this season.

• Russell Martin said his sore back was fine after his collision at the plate. “It’s good,” Martin said. “Kinda just rolled with that one. When they’re bang-bang and you don’t have time to react, that’s when they’re dangerous. There, I had time to set my feet and take the hit.”

• Eric Chavez had his third game of at least three RBI since the start of the 2009 season. His insurance RBI in the eighth inning proved huge.

• When reporters got into the clubhouse, not all of the players had heard the severity of Pettitte’s injury. Martin in particular was caught completely off guard. Rodriguez said he thought it might be pretty significant as soon as he saw Pettitte struggling with those warm-up pitches. “It looked pretty bad,” Rodriguez said. “I told Cano when he was warming up, there’s a pretty good chance we won’t see him until after the All-Star break, and maybe it’s a little worse than that.”

• Girardi said he found out around the sixth inning that Pettitte had a fracture. He thought Steve Donohue was kidding. “In my mind I’m saying, is he telling me a fib or what is he doing?” Girardi said. “I never imaged that’s what it was.”

• Pettitte on what he was thinking during those three warm-up pitches after the ball hit his ankle: “I just figured I would figure out a way to get through the inning. Even though I knew I couldn’t push off like I wanted to, I just figured I would go the other direction with it. Throw it slower than slow, maybe get them to hit some grounders. But that first pitch I threw, I pushed off, and just a lot of pain shooting right into my foot. I knew I wasn’t going to be able to throw another pitch.”

• Pettitte has struck out at least six batters in each of his past five starts, tying the longest such streak of his career.

• Brian Cashman said the Yankees didn’t consider giving Friday’s start to veteran Ramon Ortiz, who’s been pitching really well for Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. “Not ahead of Warren,” Cashman said. “Warren has been better.” Adam Warren has a 2.03 ERA with 18 strikeouts in his past five starts.

• Speaking of the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre rotation: Dellin Betances has been demoted to Double-A Trenton. I heard from a scout just yesterday that Betances’ fastball is down to 90-92 mph with no control. This scout was not impressed at all. Said Betances looks awful, which the numbers certainly suggest. He had a 6.39 ERA with nearly as many walks (69) as strikeouts (71).

• Fast-rising reliever Preston Claiborne was called up from Trenton to Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. The 2010 draft pick hasn’t allowed a run in 18 innings this month.

• The last word, obviously, goes to Pettitte: “I think that we’re in a real good place with the other guys. There’s no need to try to do anything more. They’re throwing the ball great. They’ve just got to keep the same approach that they are, and they’re going to. I think we’re going to be fine. Freddy’s throwing the ball well. I know he’s probably going to be the one to step into the rotation now, and we’ll get someone called up. I don’t know whether it’s Phelpsy, if he comes back or what. This team is good. We’re good, and we’re playing with a lot of confidence, and I think they’re going to be just fine as long as guys don’t put a lot of pressure on themselves.”

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107 Responses to “Postgame notes: “It’s time to put my pom-poms on””

  1. blake June 27th, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    Gotta respect Garica’s attitude….hes been a total pro since the Yanks signed him.

  2. Dean Winters June 27th, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    blake June 27th, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    The only chance for Joba to start again would probably involve Joba himself going to the Yankees and pleading his case to do it…..

    ————————

    He might have done that already orthis might shock some ppl maybe he told them he doesn’t want to start anymore.

  3. MTU June 27th, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    Blake-

    We’re lucky we didn’t already trade Garcia.

    I thought they would.

  4. luis June 27th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    Hi MTU,

    Yes we are lucky.

    Blake,

    Probably right about Joba has to plead his case

  5. Pat M. June 27th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    Man, Batances is a mess….Manny B is the one I thought could make an impact at the big league level……Batances will see The Stadium in road greys…..I hope I’m wrong although I lack the faith that Rich in NJ has in him……..

  6. mick June 27th, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    just got back…that 9th was a sweat job, sori had nothing…needs a day.
    chavez and cano saved the day…didn’t find out about andy and cc til after…

  7. MTU June 27th, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    Hola Luis.

    How are you doing ?

    Are you in Miami ?

  8. MTU June 27th, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    Pat M.-

    I hope they are not planning on starting him.

    Might be OK in relief.

    Right now he has just been demoted.

  9. mick June 27th, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    when will phelps be ready?

  10. luis June 27th, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    Pat M,

    This thing with the shorten stride has hurt him beyond belief…When i heard about it, i had my doubts. I thought that it would lead to control and command problems as it has. A shorten stride prevents the pitcher from finishing his pitches. I saw him the other night and he simply can’t repeat his mechanics and it looks like he is never on top of the baseball anymore.This is why he can’t straighten himself out like he did in ST. He has to go back to his old windup and stride.

  11. luis June 27th, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    MTU June 27th, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    Hola Luis.

    How are you doing ?

    Are you in Miami ?

    =========================

    I am fine…Yes, I am in Miami but on my way back home…Mostly work though.

  12. MTU June 27th, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    Luis-

    Have a safe trip.

  13. Pat M. June 27th, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    luis….that’s a real good breakdown, but who and why did they mess with his stride ???? I mean big guys need to have that sense of reaching the catcher with their arm…….That’s what turned Randy Johnson around, well at least part of it……I’ve only seen him a few times this season and it seemed to me that he had a lazy lower half…….

  14. tucker June 27th, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    Maybe this was Betances’ way of getting out of the never-ending roadtrip known as the Empire State Yankees.

    Seriously, it’s too bad. Hope he can find his command and velocity. The idea of a guy that big who throws that hard is certainly appealing. Just isn’t putting everything together.

  15. Pat M. June 27th, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    Andy Pettite with pom poms ??? Tricia now has company !!!

  16. luis June 27th, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    Pat,

    The lazy lower half is the result of that shortened stride. He is not comfortable with it, so his move looks tentative, instead of being all out toward home plate. If you look at him, he never lands in the same spot anymore. It’s a mess…I don’t know who came up with the idea but is clearly not helping the kid. It has slowed his progress and has probably hurt his confidence level. It might take a while before he is ready, if ever…

  17. Tyler June 27th, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    They wouldn’t have gotten anything back for Garcia if they traded him after he struggled. If he pitches well this time around in rotation he could get something back for the Yanks at the deadline with him only being on a 1 year deal…

  18. Tyler June 27th, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    I always thought that one of the advantages of being a tall pitcher was the long stride. It felt like those guys were right on top of you when they released the ball… if he’s balanced I don’t think that would have been a huge issue…

  19. mick June 27th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    Freddy was always an insurance policy, the 6th man.
    Now his time has come again as he will be the 5th man.
    He was great today and the last few times out.
    Another great Cash pickup, as is the rest of the pen.
    Uncanny.

  20. luis June 27th, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    To add to my point…One of the reasons that Hughes’s CB has never been the same since 07 is because he wasn’t pushing as hard as he used to. That’s why it is so loopy and slow with little bite. This season he has been striding with more confidence and we are seeing the results. Probably he was afraid of re-injuring the hammy.

    What i find puzzling is that if I know that shortening the stride could lead to unfinished pitches and in turn could hurt the command and control, why doing it with a pitcher that has already some control issues and that is so tall that you must use that as an advantage? (you release the ball closer to homeplate, thus making an already fast pitch even faster)

  21. Hassey June 27th, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    maybe Trish will let Andy borrow her pom-poms for a few weeks

  22. austinmac June 27th, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    He is worse since he shortened his stride. Need we say more. Find what he has had more success with and work with that. It always sounded a bit odd to me as every pitching coach I have heard encourage long strides.

  23. blake June 27th, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    I still think manny B is going to be really good given good health….folks forget he’s only 21 years old still…..too much to like there with stuff and delivery…..he’s got to get healthy and stay healthy though so he can start to build innings and polish up….I was hoping he’d get up to around 150 this year and that’s clearly not going to happen now.

  24. luis June 27th, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    Got to go….I’ll read the answers through my BB or when i get home. Later guys, have a good one.

  25. Carlo June 27th, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Looks like the once scorned bettances / humberto sanchez comp I made in the spring of 2011 is coming to fruition.

  26. Pat M. June 27th, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    blake…….Manny B is the anointed one……Some guys say he can be Guidry like…..His issues are commanding his heater and some consistency with the off speed stuff……To me he’s a ” No Trade ” guy……

  27. blake June 27th, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    Pat M,

    I agree….I always thought he and Betances were on different levels to be honest….they both have had their control/command issues but IMO they have had them for different reasons. Banuelos has a much better shot at being a big league starter….and if things fall right he could be a good one….

  28. blake June 27th, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    AL East Notes: Guthrie, Yankees, Stewart, Red Sox
    By Zach Links [June 27 at 6:17pm CST]

    Items out of the American League East..

    Jeremy Guthrie may be a potential fit for the injury-depleted Yankees after enjoying previous success in the AL East while with the Orioles, writes Troy Renck of The Denver Post.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com

    false…..he’s terrible.

  29. blake June 27th, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    does anybody know if Campos and Banuelos are ever going to pitch again…..these cases of minor elbow issues are lasting a long time?? anybody know about a time table or have any idea when they’ll be back?

  30. Pat M. June 27th, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    blake…..GB and or YankeeFem usually have good info on the farm happenings…..GB reports so much info and it’s mainly during a Yanks game and gets lost with so much of the bs that is part of the game’s blog……

  31. Triple Short of a Cycle June 27th, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    As long as Andy is back a few weeks before the playoffs its all good. In fact it might be a blessing in disguise since he will be fresh and ready to go.

    We have plenty of pitching to overcome this and be fine. As long as CC comes back when he is supposed to

  32. Triple Short of a Cycle June 27th, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    I’ve learned to expect nothing when it comes to Yankee highly touted pitching “prospects”

  33. I Am Winning June 27th, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    It’s amazing how well the Yankees pitching staff has done despite all of these devastating and extensive injuries. This is just another obstacle that the best team in the majors (with the best record) will have to overcome. Go Yanks!

  34. Triple Short of a Cycle June 27th, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    It’s amazing how well the Yankees pitching staff has done despite all of these devastating and extensive injuries.

    ———————————————————————————

    What injuries before today?

  35. blake June 27th, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    “What injuries before today?”

    Rivera, Robertson, Pineda, Gardner, Joba….Swisher has been out of the lineup some…..Martin some…..they’ve had there share….guys have stepped up big time….now they have an even bigger test especially over the next couple weeks.

  36. I Am Winning June 27th, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle,

    ….see blake’s post.

  37. Nick in SF June 27th, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    “What injuries before today?”

    Comic relief. Thank you.

  38. blake June 27th, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    Trevor Bauer making his debut tomorrow….haven’t seen him pitch except in video but he looks very Lincecum like…..looks like the real deal.,….sailed through the minors.

  39. Triple Short of a Cycle June 27th, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    I Am Winning,

    I thought you meant to the pitching staff because outside of wins how would mo,Joba and the others effect how well the staff pitches?

  40. I Am Winning June 27th, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    I did mean pitching staff. Mo closing would allowing the Yankees to pitch more effectively earlier in the game. Pineda was suppose to be a pinnacle in the rotation, not to say everyone hasn’t done their part thus far. Joba pitching in the bullpen as he can too, would allow us to pitch way deep into games on consecutive days as well. Now Pettitte.

    The reason it doesn’t seem so bad is because how well our reserves have filled in.

  41. Pat M. June 27th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    blake….I watched Bauer pitch often while he and Cole pitched for UCLA……He was heir best pitcher……..I thought that he had a chance to break camp with the D-Backs……He’s real good

  42. blake June 27th, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    how good is Mike Trout…..did yall see that catch he made tonight….2 hits …..he’s unreal

  43. blake June 27th, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    excuse me ….3 hits for trout

  44. blake June 27th, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    Pat M,

    good little pitching staff Mr. Towers is putting together….

  45. bruceb June 27th, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    Can anyone tell me what Warren’s strengths and weaknesses are? Is he ready to pitch in the bigs or are we going to have to pray that we find lightning in a bottle with a Kevin Millwood-type pitcher? I’m so pleased we didn’t cut Freddy free as at least he’s a guy with experience who’s not going to be fazed by pitching regularly for the Yankees. The Jays have got even bigger injury problems with their rotation while the Rays and Orioles are struggling too right now. That leaves those big bad Boston Red Sox as the team that is most likely to make a run at us in the next 6-8 weeks. One thing’s for sure. The offense is going to have to do better with RISP now.

  46. Nick in SF June 27th, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    Yanks’ lead will be 5 games as soon as the Angels finish thrashing Showaltimore.

    A little room to play with.

  47. blake June 27th, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    “Can anyone tell me what Warren’s strengths and weaknesses are?”

    pretty good fastball and slider combo….does well when he commands….doesn’t have a great 3rd pitch unless he’s developed one recently….he’s good when he locates like most pitchers….doesn’t have the numbers of pitches or pitchability that Phelps has I don’t think but he’s got a little better pure stuff maybe. He could have success if he makes his pitches

  48. blake June 27th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Pat M.

    Trout or Harper for the next 10 years….who you taking? I know there is no wrong answer…..

  49. Villa Nova-Ya June 27th, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    Does it matter? They need an arm. Warren is the most ready.

  50. bruceb June 27th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    Thanks, Blake. I guess the $64,000 question with all these young pitchers is whether they have the belief that they belong in the bigs. I remember Warren being talked about in much the same way as Nova a few years ago. Hopefully, he’ll seize his chance the same way.

  51. MG June 27th, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    Why is it that every time a prospect in the Yankees system fails to become a star it is the fault of the Yankees?

    Does everyone on this blog really believe that the Yankees system is completely inept and lacks the ability to bring young talent along?

    Guess what-there is a huge gap between the minors and the majors and not every player, no matter how talented they may be, can handle the jump.

    Betances has clearly failed to develop above a lower minor league talent since he hasn’t been able to pitch decently at AAA. All he has really had is 1 good year in 2010 at Tampa and briefly at Trenton and that’s been it.

    This is his 7th year in the Yankees system and while it would great to see him make the big club as a hometown kid it’s not going to happen-it’s more than a pitching stride or anything else, he just doesn’t have the ability to pitch at the highest level of baseball or he would have figured it out by now.

  52. raymagnetic June 27th, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    Too bad the Yankees don’t have w forward thinking GM that stacked the team with pitching in case of a rash of injuries. Oh wait…

  53. Pat M. June 27th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    blake…….Towers isn’t finished reconstructing the D-Backs in his image…I can see some action come the hot stove season…….More trades will be taking place much like the old days………Trout or Harper ???? I think Harper has an edge in his personality which will be interesting to watch ….Trout might be the better hitter but man Harper has super power at the plate……….Kind of like what was going on in the early 50′s in NYC……Mantle or Mays …..In the end I’ll take Harper….Very tough call though

  54. Pat M. June 27th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    MG…..I think you’re right about Betances

  55. Villa Nova-Ya June 27th, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    MG

    You make a very good point about the difficulty of making it to the bigs.

  56. MG June 27th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    Pat M. June 27th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
    MG…..I think you’re right about Betances
    —————-
    Pat, thanks, you are probably the only other person on the blog that agrees with me on this (possibly Blake). :)

  57. blake June 27th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    “Kind of like what was going on in the early 50?s in NYC……Mantle or Mays …..In the end I’ll take Harper….Very tough call though”

    yea I mean I think harper probably has more upside because of the crazy power and star potential…..but Trout just can dominate the game in so many ways….at the plate…defensively ….with his legs……they are both really exciting.

  58. Pat M. June 27th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    Fresh scented air !!!!

  59. bruceb June 27th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    Just seen that catch by Trout…he plucked that ball out of the air like Superman!

  60. MG June 27th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    and VNY…. lol

  61. blake June 27th, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    I think the bottom line with Betances is that he’s 6’8″ and he’s not very athletic….and he can’t repeat his delivery…therefore he has very little consistency either with location or his stuff…..as MG says….it’s been 7 years now in the system….he’s 24 years old and it’s time to see some progress soon.

  62. Villa Nova-Ya June 27th, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    MG

    I love following the prospects. But it’s the same as real life. Sometimes things don’t go as hoped or planned. Doesn’t mean you didn’t put in the time work and heart.

  63. blake June 27th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    Youkalis 5-12 since the trade. Middlebrooks 1-11 with 2 errors. Something to monitor…..still think it was the right move….but as I’ve said I think short term (this year)….it could back fire a bit.

  64. blake June 27th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    “Just seen that catch by Trout…he plucked that ball out of the air like Superman!”

    he’s unreal….I can’t stand the Angels but I’d pay to see him play.

  65. trisha - true pinstriped blue June 27th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    “Too bad the Yankees don’t have w forward thinking GM that stacked the team with pitching in case of a rash of injuries. Oh wait…”

    :)

  66. LGY June 27th, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    Finding out the Yanks were in on Trout really hurts. Kid is just so dynamic and impacts every aspect of the game.

    Imagine the Yanks passed on Tex and therefore had Holliday and Trout in the OF right now. :P

  67. Pat M. June 27th, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    LGY….No World Series Banner flag then ….It’s a moot point

  68. blake June 27th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    “Imagine the Yanks passed on Tex and therefore had Holliday and Trout in the OF right now. :P”

    it’s not healthy to think that way.

  69. LGY June 27th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    LGY….No World Series Banner flag then ….It’s a moot point

    ————

    A-Rod won them that WS.

  70. Yankee Trader June 27th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    Thanks for telling us about the Trout above the rim, catch. Spectacular.

    Looks like the Yankees will not face Chris Sale in the upcoming 4 game series with the White Sox.

  71. blake June 27th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    “Looks like the Yankees will not face Chris Sale in the upcoming 4 game series with the White Sox.”

    yea that’s very fortunate….dude is nasty

  72. Nick in SF June 27th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    “A-Rod won them that WS.”

    No need for CC, then?

  73. Pat M. June 27th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    LGY……..In order to get into position for Alex’s heroics the club plays 162 games…..Also The Yanks were very fortunate to beat the Twinkies as you well remember…..Tex had a walk off dinger…..I thought Holliday was the big ticket prize in the following winter…….

  74. Rich in NJ June 27th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    “Imagine the Yanks passed on Tex and therefore had Holliday and Trout in the OF right now. ”

    OUCH!

  75. Jerkface June 27th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    No need for CC, then?

    Angels don’t have the pick they got to sign Trout with if the Yankees don’t sign Tex. The Yankees signing CC had nothing to do with it, they still would have picked where they were and the only 2 teams on Trout were the angels and the yanks.

  76. LGY June 27th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    A-Rod AND CC won them that WS :D

    Pat

    Do you think the Yankees miss the playoffs in 2009 if the Yankees pass on Tex?

  77. blake June 27th, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    lot of things fell right for that 2009 team….they were really good but if the 2010 and 2011 Yankees teams had faced the same clubs that the 2009 team faced in the playoffs we might be going for a 4 peat this year…..not to take away anything from the title……

  78. blake June 27th, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    “Imagine the Yanks passed on Tex and therefore had Holliday and Trout in the OF right now. ”

    nah…..they would have trade Trout for Cliff Lee.

  79. blake June 27th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    by the way….the 2009 Yankees were 42-32 on this day

  80. Rich in NJ June 27th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    “….it’s been 7 years now in the system….he’s 24 years old and it’s time to see some progress soon.”

    There have been so many guys in the system who don’t develop that I think it’s reasonable to look at other causative factors than the player himself (not that the player bears no responsibility).

    In fact, last night, John and Suzyn were talking all the pitching prospects over the last 50 20 years who were highly touted but never blossomed, attributing it, seemingly, to some form of TNSTAAPP (even though they didn’t know it), and yet they never raised the possibility that the development people may be playing a role in this failure.

  81. DaveD June 27th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    I wonder if Trout would have even developed well under the Yankees watch. If Harper or Trout were Yanks, they’d prob still be in AA,

  82. There Will Never Be Another Mo June 27th, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    LGY June 27th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
    A-Rod AND CC won them that WS

    *******

    Hideki Matsui and A.J. Burnett from game 2 say hi.

  83. There Will Never Be Another Mo June 27th, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Also Dasmo Marte is on call waiting. . . .

  84. Nick in SF June 27th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    “Angels don’t have the pick they got to sign Trout with if the Yankees don’t sign Tex. The Yankees signing CC had nothing to do with it, they still would have picked where they were and the only 2 teams on Trout were the angels and the yanks.”

    The point had nothing to do with Trout; it was that Arod did not win the AL East, the ALDS, and ALCS, and then the WS all by himself.

    As far as looking backwards and pretending that the Yanks made some blunder that caused them to miss out on Trout would make for a below-average issue of What If?

    http://dailypop.files.wordpres.....t_if_9.jpg

  85. LGY June 27th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    I don’t think we are talking about who helped the Yankees win the WS in 2009 (every player on the team did). I believe the (brief) discussion is more focused on who the Yankees couldn’t afford to not have in 2009.

    A-Rod and CC were the indispensable parts of that 2009 WS run. Everyone else on that team could have been replaced and the Yankees would still have won imo.

  86. Yanks78 June 27th, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    “Hideki Matsui and A.J. Burnett from game 2 say hi.”

    Which proves the point that Tex not being signed doesn’t mean the Yankees don’t win. A lot of guys contributed to the title, but that doesn’t mean they were the only ones who could produce.

    Who knows? Maybe whoever they signed instead of Tex has a Carlos Beltran-type postseason. I’d take my chances Tex’s replacement doesn’t impact the championship while taking my shot at having Trout.

    And the Yanks own the Twins. Even if they had to go back to Minny, they were in great shape. Twins at that point were gassed and had no pitchers left. They brought Brian Dunsing out of the bullpen to start game 1 of the playoffs vs. CC

  87. LGY June 27th, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    ugh double negative. *couldn’t afford to be without*

  88. Yanks78 June 27th, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    “A-Rod and CC were the indispensable parts of that 2009 WS run”

    And their sub-optimal performances in 2010 and 2011 might be why they got eliminated in the playoffs. CC especially.

  89. Yankee Trader June 27th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    The Yankees took off in 2009 after Brian Cashman flew down to Atlanta the 24th June, after the team was shutout at the hands of rookie Tommy Hanson the night before, and was floundering

  90. Rich in NJ June 27th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    “A-Rod and CC were the indispensable parts of that 2009 WS run. Everyone else on that team could have been replaced and the Yankees would still have won imo.”

    Forgive my channeling of Michael Kay, but you also have the fallacy of the pre-determined outcome thing. So it’s at least somewhat likely that some other player would have compensated for non-A-Rod or CC performance.

  91. Jerkface June 27th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    As far as looking backwards and pretending that the Yanks made some blunder that caused them to miss out on Trout would make for a below-average issue of What If?

    It is a pretty interesting what if because they were the only teams interested in Trout and they picked very close to each other AND a specific move by the Yankees caused the Angels to have the pick they did AND an archaic ruling in the MLB compensation rules gave the Angels a first round pick for Tex instead of the Brewers or Blue Jays who got 2nd and third round picks!

  92. blake June 27th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    The pirates are blowing an 8-2 lead to the Phillies….Utley is 3-4 with a homer in his first game back.

  93. There Will Never Be Another Mo June 27th, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    A-Rod and CC were the indispensable parts of that 2009 WS run. Everyone else on that team could have been replaced and the Yankees would still have won imo.

    *********

    Rewriting history and speculation. You need those performances from Matsui, Marte, and Burnett to win a championship. The fact is they were indispensable because they were major contributors. Anything else is not based on facts and again just pure speculation. . . .which you at least acknowledge that it is your opinion. Unfortunately, it is not backed up by reality and facts because there is no way of ever knowing. Why try to rewrite things now. . . imo it is an unintended attempt to undermine what was achieved, which was very special.

  94. Rich in NJ June 27th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    “The Yankees took off in 2009 after Brian Cashman flew down to Atlanta the 24th June, after the team was shutout at the hands of rookie Tommy Hanson the night before, and was floundering”

    Which raises the issue of why he didn’t fly into the clubhouse before Game 5 of the 2011 ALDS!!!!!

  95. blake June 27th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Even if the Yankees would have drafted Trout….would he still be a Yankee? There was the Granderson trade…..attempts at Halladay and Lee…..etc….who knows.

  96. blake June 27th, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    “Which raises the issue of why he didn’t fly into the clubhouse before Game 5 of the 2011 ALDS!!!!!”

    because figured they’d hammer Doug Fister……

  97. Jerkface June 27th, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    I don’t think the Yankees would have traded him, because he would have been too low in the minors. SS in 2009, Low A in 2010. Just not a lot of opportunity to trade a position player so low in the minors.

    The Granderson trade would have gone down as it did

  98. There Will Never Be Another Mo June 27th, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    I’d take my chances Tex’s replacement doesn’t impact the championship while taking my shot at having Trout.

    ********

    This is completely looking at Tex now versus what he did in 2009. He was top 3 in MVP, had a wonderful regular season, played stellar defense. Again, an uninspired attempt to rewrite history. And it is laughable to risk taking a championship away for a rookie. You always go with the championship. Championships are what define matters in the end, at least for the Yankees. Put it this way, I am glad the Yankees won four championships in the 90s instead of winding up with the likes of Barry Bonds, Greg Maddux, or drafting Manny Ramirez. Of course anyone could rewrite that the Yanks should have drafted Manny Ramirez over Brien Taylor, but it is laughable to try to play this game. And in the end, it is only a game play what ifs, BUT you do not play games with championships. Ever.

  99. LGY June 27th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    The Granderson trade would have gone down as it did

    ——–

    So you’re saying they’d have Grandy-Trout-Holliday in the OF?!!

  100. blake June 27th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    “I don’t think the Yankees would have traded him, because he would have been too low in the minors. SS in 2009, Low A in 2010. Just not a lot of opportunity to trade a position player so low in the minors. ”

    he was a top 100 prospect in 2010…..you never know….and of course there would still have been this past winter….I would hope they wouldn’t have traded him…..but we’ll never know.

  101. Rich in NJ June 27th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    “because figured they’d hammer Doug Fister……”

    I wonder if Cashman made an offer for him before he was traded.

  102. Yankee Trader June 27th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    2009 Yankee hittng stars in the 6 game win over the Phillies:

    Jeter hit .407, Damon .364, Matsui .615

  103. bruceb June 27th, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    I should have said Trout leapt like a salmon to catch that ball! Just got home from work and watched Yankees Encore. Need a bit of humor after seeing Andy take that one on the ankle. Top of the ninth was also excruciating (even though I already knew the outcome!!!). Can’t see Sori being available tomorrow. Going to be a tough few weeks ahead, starting with a tough series against the red-hot White Sox.

  104. Jerkface June 27th, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    he was a top 100 prospect in 2010…..you never know….and of course there would still have been this past winter….I would hope they wouldn’t have traded him…..but we’ll never know.

    Yea and Austin Jackson was rated higher. The Yankees don’t really trade highly touted position players while they are in the low minors. I can’t think of any they have.

  105. Nick in SF June 27th, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    What if Xavier Nady hadn’t gotten injured in early 2009????

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mizP.....l_2_23.jpg

  106. blake June 27th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    “Yea and Austin Jackson was rated higher. The Yankees don’t really trade highly touted position players while they are in the low minors. I can’t think of any they have.”

    well cause usually teams want guys closer to the big leagues in trades….just saying that they is no guarantee they would have kept him as bad as they wanted to trade for “another ace” there for awhile.

  107. Yankee Trader June 27th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    Everyone-

    Are we playing the Game-”Six Degrees of Mark Teixeira?” :)

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