Yankees win game, lose Pettitte
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 27, 2012 
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Andy Pettitte is heading to the disabled list after fracturing his left ankle this afternoon. Pettitte left the game in the fifth inning after he was hit by a sharp comebacker. The Yankees say he will not need surgery, but he will require six weeks to heal. Without Pettitte, the Yankees rallied to extend their winning streak to five games. Robinson Cano’s seventh home run in his past 10 games lifted them to a 5-4 win and a three-game series sweep against the Indians. Freddy Garcia retired all seven batters he faced to pick up the win. Rafael Soriano walked in a run in the ninth, but Eric Chavez’s insurance RBI in the eighth proved crucial.
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Wow! Alright! At least we got a win on this miserable day.
A rotation of Kuroda, Nova, Hughes, Garcia, Warren?
That was a real gut check performance by Soriano.
It is time for Garcia and the mL pitching depth to step up. I think they will.
Wow, losing 2/5ths of your rotation in a day – really rough, especially after losing Pineda for the season. Hopefully Garcia can put in some decent starts and the team can get CC back after only a couple of runs through the rotation.
What a rough day.
Has anyone seen Warren pitch of late…….m, heyman is a chump !!!
Garcia has looked a lot better the past couple times out of the pen. He’s throwing close to 90 again and has looked pretty effective. hopefully it translates to his starts.
The bats will need to carry a large load. It’s not just two top starters. It’s two of the best lefties in the game. The only two that are even close to ready.
Has Heyman heard something nobody else has about HGH healing fractured bones?
Moronic attempt at a cheap shot.
Is it a guarantee that Garcia will be the other starter?
David Phelps could be brought back.
Pat M.,
Warren was much better the last time out, but, throwing too many pitches over 5 innings.
Heyman is a jerk. We knew that as he continues to reconfirm it.l
So much for using the excess AAA pitching for a bat. Every time you think they have an excess, something happens. I look forward to seeing Warren and hope he throws strikes and trusts his stuff. He has been pitching much better of late.
ac1 June 27th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Is it a guarantee that Garcia will be the other starter?
David Phelps could be brought back.
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Is Phelps stretched out enough yet?
Losing Pettite meant they were going to use Siriano (in the event we were ahead). Too bad we couldn’t take advantage if the 8 shutout innings by Hughes yesterday.
Pat M,
Perfect description!
Girardi just said Garcia and Warren to the rotation….Warren will start Friday, Sweaty Freddy Monday
Paco, you know that when the going gets rough, the rough get going.
Bet the Yanks won’t miss enough of a beat to make a difference.
Makes you realize that an “impact bat” makes litte difference with the offense the Yankees have, and compared to the need for pitching.
When you hear “you can never have enough pitching” all you have to do is go through the course of one single season to understand it. You almost have to be wilfully blind not to get it.
According to Cash, CC is expected to pitch the 1st game back from the break. So they just need to fill the 5th starter’s spot for 6-8 weeks. They can easily do that from within. Garcia/Warren/Phelps can surely do that.
Kay stole my thunder with his comment, but it might end up being a good thing for Pettitte. We have no idea how he would perform through the long season. Now he’ll be fresh for the stretch run/playoffs.
Phelps isn’t ready for the rotation. 2 starts and longest is 3.1 innings.
Im sure they can get 5 or so out of him in his first start back if they wanted to.
Garcia has been brilliant since being banished to the pen.
I think he could scratch his way through some decent starts.
An impact bat could provide a larger margin of error for young pitchers.
Girardi just said Garcia and Warren to the rotation….Warren will start Friday, Sweaty Freddy Monday
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Poor Phelps
This would have been his time if he didnt waste away in the pen through the last month..
Losing CC and Andy in the same day sucks worse than just about anything…..should both be good by playoff time though so we can be thankful for that at least…..another good win…..
Tricia ………Once you think you have enought pitching, go get more
“Garcia has been brilliant since being banished to the pen.
I think he could scratch his way through some decent starts.”
Yes he has, and I agree with you mel. I’m more convinced than ever that Freddy’s struggles were mental and not physical. I think Freddy will be great.
How lucky are we that the Yanks held onto him!
I hope Cash doesn’t do something rash and go make a trade for Liriano when we have Phelps/Warren/Garcia that should be able to survive for 8 weeks…
JackCurryYES Girardi on Warren: “We hope that he can do the job.”
Heyman proves why he tweets alone from Arbys all the time…..what a douche
“An impact bat could provide a larger margin of error for young pitchers.”
I’m trusting that this offense is enough to do the trick for young pitchers as well as the more veteran presence.
I think that Andy and the Yankees would rather not have the broken ankle. There’s no guarantee he makes it back. I’d rather have Andy for the next 6 weeks and worry about October in October.
DanBarbarisi Girardi: Warren and Phelps will get an opportunity first before Yankees go outside for pitching help.
Good. No panic trades, please……
“They can easily do that from within. Garcia/Warren/Phelps can surely do that. ”
AHgreed.
They have enough pitching. They just have to give it a chance.
Let’s do the math again.
CC is out for a very short period. So we have a replacement for a few starts.
When CC comes back, Freddy takes the 5th spot.
Not really a big deal.
truthfully this can be a blessing for pettitte AND cc. CC has been overworked, and looks like he could use two weeks off. When he returns he will be his dominant second half self and pettitte will be fresh for september and october.
blake June 27th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Heyman proves why he tweets alone from Arbys all the time…..what a douche
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Lol, I do completely agree.. especially with the last part. You can’t say stuff like that and want to be called a professional.
But by the same token (and I know half the blog will make me eat this but..), if that was Arod he was talking about, I don’t think it would incite much of a reaction from anyone.
“An impact bat could provide a larger margin of error for young pitchers.”
Agree. And at least impact bats are not susceptible to major injuries
I only saw the replay of the ball that hit Pettitte on the lateral portion of his left ankle. It’s probably a non-displaced distal fibular fx that looks like this on X-Ray:
http://www.google.com/imgres?q.....s:15,i:165
ac1 – agree. You don’t sign up for it, but when it happens it’s easy to see the upside in the situation.
ac1 June 27th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
truthfully this can be a blessing for pettitte AND cc.
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It would be really nice. CC could use the rest for sure and I didn’t actually expect Andy to stay off the DL this season. As long as it happened now and not in mid September we’re okay…
I’m trusting that this offense is enough to do the trick for young pitchers as well as the more veteran presence.
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Trust is nice. Another in his prime big bat would be even nicer.
Here is where you test your depth
I am so happy for Freddy even though it had to happen this way. He did end up getting gypped.
The one place this might reverberate is in the trade market… some of us thought they might try to move the excess of young pitching for an OFer. Can they still do that?
AZ88 June 27th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
“An impact bat could provide a larger margin of error for young pitchers.”
Agree. And at least impact bats are not susceptible to major injuries
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Might want to ask Utley, Howard and Kemp about that.
Tricia…..Very clear and accurate account on the situation…….The key will be Freddy Garcia and not so much the AAA kids
Depth is nice if we lost Hughes, Nova, or Kuroda. Not our top 2 starters. Can’t replace a CC with a Phelps.
Now we’re throwing out a #3-4ish every night.
Also the innings we’re losing and Wade falling back to earth will hurt us.
The fibula is the long thin bone in he X-Ray I attached. Not an orthopod, but if there is no ligament damage, probably 6 weeks is possible. Certainly better than a very severe ankle sprain with ligament and tendon damage.
“Trust is nice. Another in his prime big bat would be even nicer.”
Only if you see the glass half empty and not half full.
It’s almost ludicrous to say our offense isn’t enough. In fact, let me say it. It is ludicrous. But I understand why posters who drew the line in the sand about offense would be unwilling to back off it. I just don’t agree with it.
who is taking freddy’s spot in the pen with him starting?
i doubt phelps is coming back to go back to the pen….
Got to give a lot of credit to Garcia, instead of crying about going to the pen he has went down there and made the best of it, while pitching quite well in the few opportunities that he got.
Now he gets a chance to start again for what looks like will be an extended period of time. I believe he will perform more like the Chief from last year than earlier this year.
“The one place this might reverberate is in the trade market… some of us thought they might try to move the excess of young pitching for an OFer. Can they still do that?”
CC will only be out a couple of weeks…..but yea it certainly makes the Phelps and Warrens mkre difficult to move id think…..
Stretch out Joba! I know I know….
“Depth is nice if we lost Hughes, Nova, or Kuroda. Not our top 2 starters. Can’t replace a CC with a Phelps. ”
You can for two games.
Brace yourselves for round 2 of the Garza rumors!
Might want to ask Utley, Howard and Kemp about that.
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So you can never have enough offense…
Any way you look at it, they have more quality pitching depth than offensive depth. That is why I think they will be fine.
Intellectually, I know that Andy and CC going to the DL is survivable. It’s certainly not the way we planned it, but it sounds like there’s a viable Plan B. It’s not the end of the season by any means. I’d rather they be healthy in September and October than July and August–if I had to choose between the two.
Emotionally, I feel exhausted and definitely need to process the blows to our rotation. It was a real morale boost for the guys to hold on and win today. Another sweep for the boys in pinstripes!
How locked in is Robbie Cano? Very…..
CC wasn’t pitching agaisnt the R Sox next weekend anyway, so this has nothing to do with him: but now the Yanks will throw Warren and Garcia in Fenway. I’m not looking forward to that. Oh well, what can you do.
Well the good news is that the pool service personnel have arrived…..Oh My, Wimbledon White, just for you GB !!!!
“Any way you look at it, they have more quality pitching depth than offensive depth. That is why I think they will be fine.”
The fact that they have had so much go wrong with the pitching (and bullpen) and haven’t missed a beat is testament to that
Meanwhile, we lose Gardner out 9th place hitter and we are desperately awaiting his return and have to replace him at the deadline if he isn’t back… and he is even a significant part of the lineup.
“Stretch out Joba! I know I know….”
In the realm of “who would have thought” it might not be such a remote idea.
Who would have thought
1. Andy would be back
2. We’d lost Mariano
3. We’d lose Gardner
3. Our rotation would be totally unsettled for a goodly period of time
4. The Yankee would be in first place in spite of it all
5. We’d lose Andy
So why not stretch out Joba when he’s ready to return? This is definitely the season of the unlikely!
What a blow. Busted ankle. 6 weeks to heal + weeks it will take to get his arm strength back.
The offense definitely has the ability to win one of those games that either Warren or Garcia pitches in Fenway on its own. Posting 10 to 12 runs can be done.
That is if Warren/Garcia were to not pitch well in those games.
Only if you see the glass half empty and not half full.
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What is ludicrous is to impose your skewed world view on my point of view.
That they have the depth to have quality replacements for CC and Pettitte proves that they have enough pitching.
Whether or not you are able to see it, the goal of the game is to have more runs than your opponent.
Offense makes that easier to do.
Lost all of our LHS in one day.
Well this really puts a damper on my summer of Pettitte. Today was the first start of his at home I missed. Ugh.
I think the best plan is bring up Phelps and Warren and see what they are.
Then stay engaged on Garza & Greinke. I would think Greinke might not carry the Garza price tag so maybe you roll the dice on him.
I’d also check in with the Nats to see what Lanaan would cost.
Other than that, let Warren and Phelps have the spots. I wouldn’t move Freddy from the long man role. I think his stuff is sharper in the pen because he doesn’t have to throw as many innings/pitches.
Great win and Cano is in full on beast mode, but a horrible day.
Are some of the same people that say we have more than enough pitching depth saying that they should make Joba a starter? I hope not.
I can’t say enough about Rafael Soriano.
With all of the players we’ve had go down, wouldn’t Mariano be considered the biggest loss, and for all the obvious reasons?
Geeze things have really worked out in such a weird fashion. If I were someone to believe in larger forces orchestrating life I might be believing that Mariano going down was a way for him not to be leaving after this season and a way for Soriano to be able to show his stuff in a role that just way end up being his if and when Mariano does decide to leave.
Life is sure funny that way.
Mark Feinsand?@BloggingBombers
Girardi makes it official: Adam Warren starts Friday; Freddy Garcia starts Monday
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Yanks considering sending Betances to Trenton. It’s on hold for now.
Id rather trade for Greinke than Garza…..I dont think he will cost as much and hes a better pitcher…..however at the moment Id hold……
Warren was already coming up (curious what the move to get him on the 40 will be)
My guess with Andy joining CC on the DL is that Mitchell will get the call as well.
They could go Igarashi but that would leave them without a long man in the pen (as both Garcia and Warren would end up in the rotation). Juan Cedeno and even Justin Thomas have had very good seasons at AAA but neither are on the 40 man roster and creating two spots might be a little tough. That’s also the reason I don’t think they’ll go with Ramon Ortiz in that spot. Frankly I would rather they use Ortiz than have Mitchell or Warren pitching long relief; but you’ve got to get him on the 40 to do it.
According to Josh Norris, the plan as of this morning was to send Betances back to AA. All this moves might complicate things though.
Red Sox have had so many problems in their rotation and bullpen, but but they are right there now because their offense is (pending the Texas’ RS total tonight) the best in baseball
Our offense needs to step up too.
“Whether or not you are able to see it, the goal of the game is to have more runs than your opponent.
Offense makes that easier to do.”
Uh, right. By one run. And I believe they have more than enough offense to do it.
It appears others also have my “skewed world view” including the Yankee organization.
But what the heck do they know.
BryanHoch “We’ve got to weather the storm. No one’s going to feel sorry for us. Time for me to put my pom-poms on and be a cheerleader.” – Pettitte
The lost of Andy is a blow… but its not really THAT bad. CC Will miss a couple of starts, but as long as we can just hold our current lead in the east ( we should) we will be just fine.
No need for trades or anything crazy. We will enter the second half with one of the best records in baseball, a 4+ game lead in our division, a great offense, great bullpen, and a bunch of reinforcements on the way. With a starting staff of CC, Kuroda, Hughes, Nova, Garcia or warren, with the other going to long man.
Lets say Pettite were to miss 12 starts… we might have gone 9-3, or 8-4 in those games. Now, maybe we go 6-6. In the grand scheme of things, It’s not going to hurt us too much.
“According to Josh Norris, the plan as of this morning was to send Betances back to AA. All this moves might complicate things though.”
What does that accomplish? It’s his mechanics that is the problem, not the competition. They need to send him somewhere to overhaul his delivery/mechanics, not try to get his confidence back against lesser competition
blake June 27th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Id rather trade for Greinke than Garza…..I dont think he will cost as much and hes a better pitcher…..however at the moment Id hold……
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Buster thinks they’ll be players for Liriano. His thinking is that if he doesn’t work out in the rotation the Yankees can use him to help Robertson set up Soriano.
I said two off-seasons ago that Freddy hadnt forgotten how to pitch. He still hasn’t. Glad we have him.
trisha – true pinstriped blue June 27th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Paco, you know that when the going gets rough, the rough get going.
Bet the Yanks won’t miss enough of a beat to make a difference.
When you hear “you can never have enough pitching” all you have to do is go through the course of one single season to understand it. You almost have to be wilfully blind not to get it.
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This season has been worse than the usual ‘you can never have enough pitching’ season with Joba, Mo, Pineda, Pettitte, DRob all missing time.
Luckily they should add Joba, Ardsma, and Pettitte back and already have DRob back. So they could be in decent shape for a late run and a postseason appearance. Unfortunately, they won’t get Mo back, and Soriano has made us realize how much we miss him.
p.s., not sure I agree that they won’t miss a beat without two great pitchers in the rotation…
Pat M. June 27th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Well the good news is that the pool service personnel have arrived…..Oh My, Wimbledon White, just for you GB !!!!
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You’re a dirty old &^$@#%^*..and sadistic, too.
BryanHoch Cashman says he prefers not to go outside organization. Will try options like Warren, Garcia, maybe Phelps first.
trisha – Soriano has been fantastic. I was for his signing because I always worried what would happen if Mo went down. 18/19 in saves proves the guy is pretty good.
I think he was tired today. I think the whole pen, save Robbie, are tired. Poor Wade pitches almost every day.
Losing 2 starters was not what we needed to have happen with the pen being a little overworked of late.
They’ll figure it out but I don’t expect another 10 game winning streak unless the rest of the offense go on a Cano like tear.
Yank 97 June 27th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
“According to Josh Norris, the plan as of this morning was to send Betances back to AA. All this moves might complicate things though.”
What does that accomplish? It’s his mechanics that is the problem, not the competition. They need to send him somewhere to overhaul his delivery/mechanics, not try to get his confidence back against lesser competition
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Maybe getting him to Trenton, which is actually a Yankee facility, versus having him pitch in Rochester which is not, might be part of the reasoning.
Yankees don’t want to have the best record in the league this year – their reward will likely be to play the Angels or Red Sox, with the first 2 games on the road.
Yankees need to let Texas get the best record, then we can play Detroit/Chicago.
Guys lets not argue.. let’s go back to quoting Piranhaconda.
Yanks78 June 27th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Yankees don’t want to have the best record in the league this year – their reward will likely be to play the Angels or Red Sox, with the first 2 games on the road.
Yankees need to let Texas get the best record, then we can play Detroit/Chicago.
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A tad bit early to be worried about that no?
“It’s like an unholy union between a piranha and an anaconda..”
“You mean a Piranhaconda?”
“I can’t believe you just said that!”
There. Doesn’t that make everyone feel better?
Cash is correct. Why not give the young kids a change in the next 6 weeks or so.
Warren and Phelps have earned an opportunity.
The alternative would be to trade for starting help, but I think the players the Yankees would have to trade away are better suited to remain in the minors for now.
Nothing wrong with given Warren and Phelps a chance to help the team right now.
If they fail, then plan B or plan C can be implemented.
LGY June 27th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
According to Josh Norris, the plan as of this morning was to send Betances back to AA. All this moves might complicate things though.
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He’s certainly earned the demotion.
How do they get Warren on the 40? DFA the recently acquired Danny Farquar or dump a guy like Matt Antonelli?
I will say this for Betances; He picked a bad season to struggle so much. The door would have been wide open for him to come up and claim a spot. Same for Banuelos who is injured.
Phelps, Warren and Mitchell now have the chance to show they can pull a Nova.
It will have a ripple affect throughout the system with Brett Marshall coming to Scranton and possibly Ramirez or one of Greene and Black going to Trenton. Charleston ould send up maybe Mitchell to Tampa with soe of the most advanced colege draftees filling in at Charleston.
“trisha – Soriano has been fantastic. I was for his signing because I always worried what would happen if Mo went down. 18/19 in saves proves the guy is pretty good. ”
G. Love – I don’t think I remember being so excited about getting a player as I was when the Yanks signed Soriano. He sure has been fantastic.
Someone said that having Soriano close makes us realize how much we miss Mo. What????
“I think he was tired today. I think the whole pen, save Robbie, are tired. Poor Wade pitches almost every day. ”
Agree. We’re going to need to buoy the pen. We’ll at least get some fresh replacements for a while.
Pitchers have been dropping like flies across the league, it’s not just the Yankees. It happens and isn’t really all that unusual. Just be thankful we aren’t getting into Rasner/Ponson territory.
“p.s., not sure I agree that they won’t miss a beat without two great pitchers in the rotation…”
Paco, I said they won’t miss enough of a beat. I didn’t say they wouldn’t miss any beat!
G. Love June 27th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
I will say this for Betances; He picked a bad season to struggle so much. The door would have been wide open for him to come up and claim a spot. Same for Banuelos who is injured.
Phelps, Warren and Mitchell now have the chance to show they can pull a Nova.
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Agreed – the same could be said for Manny B’s inability to stay on the field.
The pitchers in baseball are dropping because of arm issues. That’s where the Yanks got lucky.
Warren has a an ERA of around 3.9 in AAA with a .288 BAA and doesn’t throw hard. Not getting my hopes up.
The good thing is that cooler heads always prevail at the level where they need to.
As jacksquat said, pitchers have been dropping like flies. Some teams are also without some of their top offense. It’s all part of a season, and organizations don’t panic when it happens.
Yankees have to suck it up like every team that is losing pitchers. No excuses. You give the kids the first crack and then look for outside help if you need it.
I kept hearing that the Nats were looking for a RH bat. I wonder if we offer Andruw Jones to them for Lanaan or Zach Duke who both are in AAA over there…
Chip-
If the Yankees feel another lefty starter would help than Francisco Liriano, who has been pretty good this month[ 2.87 ERA], might make sense taking on the remainder of his 5.5M contract.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....co-liriano
Tabbert June 27th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
QFT
The Yanks’ pitching has been carrying them lately. If CC were out for any length of time I think pitching depth would be a huge problem. If he comes back in the time frame they’re talking about I think it will be less of a problem, but still a problem especially in the AL East.
If Garcia, Warren or Phelps turn out to be the answer the Yanks will have been very lucky. I think the Yanks believe that too and would be bidders for a starter like Greinke if available. I don’t believe they have the pieces to get him though.
Props to Soriano. He has been terrific this season. The guy pitches the 9th inning well
and somehow, someway throws just the right pitch to get the final out(un tucks shirt)
G. Love…..Zach Duke, didn’t he have a moment of brilliance as a Pirate about 6-7 years ago ???? AllStar maybe ???? Lost track of him
I don’t think today is the day to be giving props to So. He dodged the bullet but he didn’t look good doing it.
Joe said he didn’t think he’d be using Soriano tomorrow night no matter what. I think he probably needs a day off too.
Soriano is racking up the saves, making an opt out all the more likely. It may work out for both parties. Soriano gets a three-year deal elsewhere, and the Yanks have a back-end pen with Mo, Robertson, Joba and Aardsma.
Just hope the Yankees invest the savings in another player.
Robertson looked really good today though.
G. Love-
Nats also have Tom Gorzelanny, working out of the bullpen, but a former starter. Splits:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....gorzelanny
“I don’t believe they have the pieces to get him though.”
How much do you think teams are going to pay for 3 months of Greinke? They have the pieces…..just a matter if you want to trade a lot for a rental. I would think Garza would cost more he’s under control next year as well. The price to rent guys like that is generally one good prospect……see Cliff Lee and Carlos Beltran
Dream on with the opt out.
Pat M.,
He’s a lefty and pitching well at AAA for the Nats. He has better numbers than Lannan and those guys starting at AAA for the Nats have no chance of cracking that rotation.
Since Duke & Lannan are both lefties and we’re now short one in the rotation I would take a chance on the one that cost the least.
“I don’t think today is the day to be giving props to So. He dodged the bullet but he didn’t look good doing it.”
Props to him for getting the job done. Mo also dodged bullets from time to time. I’d say that’s the mark of a good closer. Soriano has been closing a lot lately.
blake-
I just think there will be other teams with minor league assets closer to majors which will be preferable to the Brewers.
I hope Soriano is here for the long run.
Garza will cost the farm. Theo will leverage that deal with every team in the league who wants a starter. Boston will be in on him. I expect every team in the playoff hunt will be in on him.
Greinke on the other hand is a rental. You just have to give the Brewers the equivalent of what they would recoup draft pick wise if they tendered him a qualifying offer in the off season.
You’re not going to get him for Ramiro Pena and Chris Dickerson, but you could get him for maybe 1 good prospect and a few so-so’s.
“Props to him for getting the job done. Mo also dodged bullets from time to time. I’d say that’s the mark of a good closer. Soriano has been closing a lot lately.”
trisha, I’m glad he got the job done but it was a no prop job as far as I’m concerned. Thank heavens the Yanks got the insurance run in the eighth.
It was a hike day for me today so I missed the game.
Really sorry to hear about AP.
He was on a roll. We’ll miss him.
Hopefully CC will only miss a couple of turns as they are projecting.
Gonna take a while to restretch Freddy.
Sorry that Phelps was not ready. He would have been a perfect sub.
No idea what Warren can give. Guess we’ll find out.
Real opportunity for the kid.
I’d give up Warren, Nunez, and Nik Turley for Greinke
“You’re not going to get him for Ramiro Pena and Chris Dickerson, but you could get him for maybe 1 good prospect and a few so-so’s.”
With 2 wild cards there are a lot of teams that are going to be in the hunt. I don’t see that package getting it done. Believe me, I wish it could and that the Yanks would be that team, but I just don’t see it.
G. Love….I remember both guys and Lannan I recall beat the Yanks in the Stadium a few years ago and has asked to be traded several times……NY Kid I think……Zach Duke for me is a name from the past as I lost track of him a few years ago….He was the # 1 guy for Pitt. and was rumored as a Yankee interest at one time…..
It makes perfect sense for the opt out. He is healthy, on pace to put up 40 saves or so with good numbers. If Mo is healthy next year, Soriano will be back to set-up guy. He doesn’t want that to be his walk year going to free agency.
If he could get a 3-year deal at around $30 million, I think he’d forgo the $14 million from the Yanks next year. I realize the closer’s market was depressed last offseason, but Soriano is proving himself again in the AL East. He has an argument that he is every bit the closer that papelbon is even if he is a bit older.
“With 2 wild cards there are a lot of teams that are going to be in the hunt. I don’t see that package getting it done. Believe me, I wish it could and that the Yanks would be that team, but I just don’t see it.”
I agree with this. lot’s of competition for Greinke’s services.
We need to see if our in-house options can hold the fort first.
The Brewers would ask for Baneulos…..Rangers scouts were there to see Greinke today…..Martin Perez is their Banuelos and Id guess he is who the Brewers would want from them.
“We need to see if our in-house options can hold the fort first.”
I think that’s bound to happen as the big names won’t move for a while yet.
I’d feel better if the Yanks could trade themselves to the AL Central. The AL East is a meat grinder.
The Pirates might trade AJ! I kid I kid…..
Mark Feinsand?@BloggingBombers
Warren will join the team Thursday to get a feel for the Stadium’s atmosphere. Igarashi will be called up to take the other roster spot.
Pat M,
Lannan is a NY born guy. Not sure what happened in Washington, but I remember him beating the Yankees.
Duke was the Pirates ace for a bit, although anyone on the Pirates an Ace in those days was silly.
I just want them to come up with a lefty option for the rotation. As it heats up, RHP who give up fly balls are going to get punished at home if they’re not perfect.
That one hiccup Hughes had of late was when it was 100 degrees and the ball was flying.
Besides, the Nats owe us one for getting Cilppard for Albaladejo.
WYH-
The AL East is tough.
We’re lucky our competitiors have also been bitten by the injury bug.
Our depth is our strength.
It is being put to the test.
“The Pirates might trade AJ! I kid I kid…”
How did that bum Cashman let AJ get away, anyhow? Get a new GM in here!
If they get Sabathia back on time and Kuroda, Hughes, and Nova pitch like they have been then theyll be ok until Andy gets back…..or should be.
I can see Theo pricing himself out of being able to trade Garza at all……
I’m glad Cashman is not making any moves until he sees what his replacements can do.
Tex already tweeted about the game today and losing Andy to the DL
The man is either very fast or someone else actually types on his
twitter account.
Twitter annoys me so much!
“If they get Sabathia back on time and Kuroda, Hughes, and Nova pitch like they have been then theyll be ok until Andy gets back…..or should be.”
Sure hope so. Unless Garcia steps it up there’s a big difference between Andy and him, though, especially if Andy’s not back to mid- or late August.
Fortunately the Yanks have a bit of a cushion right now.
blake – I agree with you on Garza, unless he’s dealing with Boston. Then Theo will trade him for Bard and slop. I can feel that deal happening in my bones. Hopefully, another team steps up and keeps him out of the AL East.
Yanks78 June 27th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
I’d give up Warren, Nunez, and Nik Turley for Greinke
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that is definitely worth a discussion. i would not have a problem at all with
a trade like that.
“Then Theo will trade him for Bard and slop.”
I can’t see anyone trading for Bard at the moment.
I dont see Theo Jed Hoyering a sweetheart deal to Boston….not after the compensation fiasco ….it would.look bad
The Brewers are only 7 1/2 games out. By the time they decide if they are sellers or not, CC will be back. No reason to empty the farm for a pitcher that might not want to pitch in NY, or one that will get a 100M contract.
Boston definitely needs to shore up their rotation if they are to compete.
Garza would certainly do that.
Beckett has been hurt. Same w. Buttholz. Dice-K still sucks. Lackey is not an option, nor are Miller or Cook.
Do the Sux have the chips to get a guy like Garza ?
And the Money ?
“I’d give up Warren, Nunez, and Nik Turley for Greinke”
Youll have to include an A lister to get Greinke Id think…..there will be competition for him and he usually boil down to whoever will agree to give a top prospect for a rental …..bunches of teams would trade B listers for him….the team that steps up and offers one of their top guys will get him
CC’s not the problem, but Andy is. No one of his ability is going to be traded until much closer to the deadline, at which point Andy will be getting closer to coming back so a trade for an Andy-replacement wouldn’t make sense.
I think the Yanks are just going to have to gut this one out.
Im hoping the Braves step up and go after Garza….they have the chips and hes pretty much exactly what they need.
“I think the Yanks are just going to have to gut this one out.”
The most likely option.
Warning Track Power says:
June 27, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Tex already tweeted about the game today and losing Andy to the DL
The man is either very fast or someone else actually types on his
twitter account.
Twitter annoys me so much!
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It doesn’t take long to tweet.
60 DL for Pettitte means a roster spot can be opened up. On the downside, that means Pettitte is unable to return to The Bronx for 60 days-DARN!!!
Wave Your Hat June 27th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Dream on with the opt out.
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I think Soriano will opt out if he looks good all season. He won’t get nearly as much next year, but he has a chance to nail down a larger total contract, and if you are a closer, you should run for the guaranteed cash, rather than the one year payout.
But personally I don’t understand all the love for Soriano. he hasn’t looked great to me. saves are an overrated statistics. He looked ordinary today and was lucky to walk away with a save.
I’m the Brewers GM. You want Zack Greinke. I need a cost controlled young bullpn arm, so for starters I want Dave Robertson. If no D-Rob than I must have a young major league ready starter, so I want Iva Nova. Need some speed as Ryan Braun is the only one with > 10 steals.Is Eduardo Nunez available to take over for my struggling 2nd baseman-Rickie Weeks? No. OK give me Ronnier Mustelier and Zoilo Almonte. Need a 4th player from Charleston.
Deal? Oh now you want a window to sign Greinke to an extension, and you want a dye contrast MRI study of his right shoulder?
MTU-
Family in Vegas OK?
Pitching depth always has many “ifs”, but if CC only misses two starts, and if Garcia pitches okay, for the longer haul they need one of Warren, Phelps or Mitchell to perform reasonably well as the long man. The Yankees seem confident this is a short term issue with CC.
Presuming, as we should, Pettitte has a non-displaced fracture it will heal and he will be back. He can probably throw some to keep his arm in decent shape. He’ll then need some mound sessions, and two or three rehab starts. I do think eight weeks is a pretty safe bet.
YT,
I enjoyed your trade discussion between two people by yourself. While it sounds reasonable, it made me chuckle.
Austinmac-
Thanks I reposted it on the new thread as well as an X-Ray of what Pettitte’s fibula frcture might look like.