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Pitching matchups vs. White Sox

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 28, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Tonight 
RHP Ivan Nova (9-2, 4.25)
vs.
RHP Dylan Axelrod (0-1, 5.54)
7:05 p.m., YES Network

Friday
RHP Adam Warren (major league debut)
vs.
LHP Jose Quintana (2-1, 1.25)
7:05 p.m., YES Network and MLB Network

Saturday
RHP Hiroki Kuroda (7-7, 3.40)
vs.
RHP Jake Peavy (6-4, 2.84)
1:05 p.m., YES Network and MLB Network

Sunday
RHP Phil Hughes (8-6, 4.48)
vs.
RHP Gavin Floyd (6-7, 4.80)
2:05 p.m., YES Network and TBS

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208 Responses to “Pitching matchups vs. White Sox”

  1. Joe from Long Island June 28th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    Pat M. ? hi, hope you?re well.

    i think there has to be concern over gardner?s status. there?s a very real chance he might not come back, or have lingering problems. they have to prepare for that contingency, hence, they?re scouting every of who might potentially be available.

    while francouer would be a defensive uprgrade, and give ibanez a break, he really does not give the yanks what gardner does ? speed, and a slap-hitter type approach to complement the sluggers in the lineup.

    of the outfielders who seem to be in play, i think denard span fits the gardner-type description best. and, the twins are desperate for pitching. so, if warren impresses, maybe he or phelps could get it done, +/- some others.

    ultimately, i think cash has to be looking about getting an upton into the of at the stadium ? either by trade with kevin towers, or signing bj. just my guess.

  2. Tabbert June 28th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    Despite being down CC and Andy, we have pretty favorable pitching match-ups in every single one of these games.

  3. Chip June 28th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    Cashman on WFAN – Igarashi being called up.

  4. blake June 28th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    “If that trade were made, which current Yankees OF would be traded away, demoted or released to make room for Francoeur???”

    Jones most likely ……but again Id only have interest if Gardner couldnt come back and hes real cheap. If Gardner is out then Id look to rent Victorino

  5. Chip June 28th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    More Cashman – when CC comes back Garcia will stay in the rotation.

  6. Warning Track Power June 28th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    Going to be a very, very interesting weekend in The Bronx
    Yankees are fortunate to miss the WS best starter(Sale).
    On the flip side, Yankees are forced to start a rookie and Freddy Garcia

  7. Chip June 28th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    I can’t stand it when Cashman complains about the “Yankee price tag” on the trade market.

  8. Warning Track Power June 28th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    blake June 28th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    “If that trade were made, which current Yankees OF would be traded away, demoted or released to make room for Francoeur???”

    Jones most likely ……but again Id only have interest if Gardner couldnt come back and hes real cheap. If Gardner is out then Id look to rent Victorino
    ——————————————————————————————————————
    Can’t argue with that logic. Yankees fans everywhere are hoping that Gardner will return and be 100% for the rest of this season. He is sorely missed on the bases. The running game is basically non existent since he was injured back in April.

  9. Chip June 28th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    He also says that he has no intention of trading any one off the Charleston club. Which I take as pure poodoo. He’s traded Montero and Austin Jackson – he’ll trade Mason Williams and Gary Sanchez too if the right deal comes along.

  10. blake June 28th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    If Gardner cant come back then theyll have to make a move…..cant start the playoffs with Ibanez in LF…..

  11. Yank 97 June 28th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    “He also says that he has no intention of trading any one off the Charleston club. Which I take as pure poodoo. He’s traded Montero and Austin Jackson – he’ll trade Mason Williams and Gary Sanchez too if the right deal comes along.”

    Absolutely

  12. blake June 28th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    “He also says that he has no intention of trading any one off the Charleston club. Which I take as pure poodoo. He’s traded Montero and Austin Jackson – he’ll trade Mason Williams and Gary Sanchez too if the right deal comes along.”

    I hope hes telling the truth…..unless somebody like CarGo becomes available.

  13. blake June 28th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    Im not sure the “right deal” is out there…..its not to rent Greinke…..its not for Garza…..Id trade anybody in the right deal….but such a thing has to exist.

  14. Pat M. June 28th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    Doc Joe…….Glad you’re back even if it’s for a short stay……I also would prefer Denard Span and the Twinkies might be in the mood to move him……..It was mentioned earlier to me that The Bombers were watching Jeff Fran. because Gardner is not right and the front office is side stepping the issue so they can avoid getting fleeced….I’m disappointed that Andruw Jones hasn’t performed to the expected level that I had hoped, especially after getting his wheels fixed in the offseson……..Good to see you here !!!!

  15. Chip June 28th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    blake June 28th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    If Gardner cant come back then theyll have to make a move…..cant start the playoffs with Ibanez in LF…..
    ——————–

    I think it would be smaller than Victorino though. I also don’t think that they’ll necessarily bring in a guy with no LF experience and ask him to play LF in the stadium in a playoff run.

  16. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    “He’s traded Montero and Austin Jackson – he’ll trade Mason Williams and Gary Sanchez too if the right deal comes along.”

    If they do it for a young impact bat, ok. For a pitcher, no freakin’ way.

  17. BX33 June 28th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    He traded Jackson for a better player in his prime (in Granderson), albeit much more expensive.

    But it would be like trading Mason Williams+ for Carlos Gonzalez

    Montero had no position here and the Yanks have dangled him for pitching for years, they never fully believed in him despite their quotes, so they traded him for the #2 starter they desperately needed. Now, the guy they got is dead, but the thought process at the time was sound.

  18. Jerkface June 28th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    I believe Cashman on the charleston tip, if only because the Yankees don’t really trade guys that are highly rated early in their development.

  19. Warning Track Power June 28th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Buyer Beware
    That’s all I’m sayin’.

    The sellers will be asking for so much in return for a marginal player, that making a trade
    for an impact player will be 10 times more difficult.

  20. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    “I believe Cashman on the charleston tip, if only because the Yankees don’t really trade guys that are highly rated early in their development.”

    They don’t have much else if they want a big piece.

  21. Chip June 28th, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    Jerkface June 28th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    I believe Cashman on the charleston tip, if only because the Yankees don’t really trade guys that are highly rated early in their development.
    ———————–

    Didn’t they just do that a couple of years ago for Javy Vazquez?

  22. BX33 June 28th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    Didn’t they try and trade Montero in 09 for Lee when he was still in Tampa?

  23. Jerkface June 28th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    Didn’t they just do that a couple of years ago for Javy Vazquez?

    No, they traded a pitcher in SS. Find me the position players they have traded who were highly touted and still around Low A. Austin JAckson and Montero both got traded when they were in AAA.

  24. Warning Track Power June 28th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    BX33 June 28th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    Didn’t they try and trade Montero in 09 for Lee when he was still in Tampa?
    ————————————————————————————————–
    I know back in July 2010 a trade was almost made.
    Not sure what happened back in ’09

  25. Jerkface June 28th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    Didn’t they try and trade Montero in 09 for Lee when he was still in Tampa?

    2010 was the Lee thing.

  26. blake June 28th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    “I think it would be smaller than Victorino though.”

    How.much could a rental of Victorino cost? The Phillies may not sell though….

  27. Chip June 28th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    Oakland gets: DJ Mitchell
    Yankees get: Seth Smith

  28. Jerkface June 28th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Way too good a deal for the YAnkees, Chip. I’d do that in a NY minute.

  29. Chip June 28th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Jerkface June 28th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    Didn’t they just do that a couple of years ago for Javy Vazquez?

    No, they traded a pitcher in SS. Find me the position players they have traded who were highly touted and still around Low A. Austin JAckson and Montero both got traded when they were in AAA.
    —————

    You didn’t say position players – you said “Yankees don’t really trade guys that are highly rated early in their development.”

    Vizciano was highly rated and early in his development.

  30. blake June 28th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    ” Find me the position players they have traded who were highly touted and still around Low A. Austin JAckson and Montero both got traded when they were in AAA.”

    Thats probably as much about who other teams ask for as anything though…..teams usually want guys closer to the big leagues unless they are elite type guys

  31. Jerkface June 28th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    Vizciano was highly rated and early in his development.

    Sorry this is a continuation of what I was talking about yesterday. I don’t think they trade position players who are highly touted and still early in their development, because their impact isn’t yet clear and they bust at a lesser rate than pitchers.

  32. Jerkface June 28th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Basically I wouldn’t expect a guy like Mason Williams, Tyler Austin, or Gary Sanchez to be traded.

  33. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    “Basically I wouldn’t expect a guy like Mason Williams, Tyler Austin, or Gary Sanchez to be traded.”

    Again, if they somehow must have, for example, Garza, I don’t believe they can put a package together without doing that unless they include Nova.

  34. blake June 28th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    “Basically I wouldn’t expect a guy like Mason Williams, Tyler Austin, or Gary Sanchez to be traded.”

    Yea I hope not…..but after Banuelos those are the next guys GMs are going to ask for from the Yankees. Sanchez and Williams are both top 50 guys on a lot of lists……Yanks havent had many of those in A ball in the past.

  35. Chip June 28th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    Jerkface June 28th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Basically I wouldn’t expect a guy like Mason Williams, Tyler Austin, or Gary Sanchez to be traded.
    ——————-

    Agreed.

  36. Jerkface June 28th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    Again, if they somehow must have, for example, Garza, I don’t believe they can put a package together without doing that unless they include Nova.

    They won’t trade for Garza if it costs one of them. They will move Betances/Banuelos along with other pitchers and upper level guys.

    If they do I will be very surprised.

  37. blake June 28th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    “Again, if they somehow must have, for example, Garza, I don’t believe they can put a package together without doing that unless they include Nova.”

    Banuelos would be the guy Theo woukd want I think…..Banuelos or Nova plus somehody frok Charleston would be thr price for Garza Id say.

  38. blake June 28th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    I doubt betances has much value at this point…..

  39. Chip June 28th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    For Garza my guess is that the package is:

    Banuelos, Nova, Nunez and Williams.

  40. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    “They won’t trade for Garza if it costs one of them. They will move Betances/Banuelos along with other pitchers and upper level guys.”

    I actually thought that Cashman would only trade Montero for an established starter, but I was wrong. What are the B’s worth now? Not much.

  41. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    “Banuelos would be the guy Theo woukd want I think…..Banuelos or Nova plus somehody frok Charleston would be thr price for Garza Id say.”

    Banuelos with an elbow issue probably discounts his value by up to 25%, right?

  42. blake June 28th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    If you decide to push chips to the center and go for it this year then Greinke is the guy to go after (unless Hamels is available ). Garza has another year of control but Greinke is the guy that could match up with other front line starters in a playoff series…….

  43. bruceb June 28th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    Cashman didn’t tell Francesa anything we didn’t already know. Garcia and Warren will be asked to fill the breach with Phelps waiting in the wings. If Garcia sucks like he did in April, and neither Warren or Phelps can hack it in the bigs, Yanks will consider making a trade. My main concern now is not having a left-hander in the rotation.

  44. blake June 28th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    “Banuelos with an elbow issue probably discounts his value by up to 25%, right?”

    The Cubs arent winning any time soon….Banuelos is only 21 so unless its serious and hes going to need surgery then I dont think it affects his value that much…..whoever traded for him wouldnt be getting him to help now….

  45. Warning Track Power June 28th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    Chip June 28th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    For Garza my guess is that the package is:

    Banuelos, Nova, Nunez and Williams.
    ————————————————————————————————————
    No thanks!
    Ridiculous trade for the Yankees.

  46. blake June 28th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    I dont think Betances has much value as a 24 year old who cant find the zone…..Banuelos as a 21 year old lefty though I would guess still has a good bit of value…..

  47. blake June 28th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    “For Garza my guess is that the package is:

    Banuelos, Nova, Nunez and Williams.”

    Nobody is giving that much for him…..the Nats didnt give that much for Gio with 4 years of control

  48. blake June 28th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    The Braves should go get either Garza or Greinke and sign them….they have the chips and need a veteran starter with Hudson aging…..be interesting to see if they step up and do it.

  49. jackamir June 28th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    I am kind of surprised Mitchell & Ortiz(who has pitched well) have not been given some consideration.

  50. pat June 28th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    D-Rod with the steady hands….

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  51. Chip June 28th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    blake June 28th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    “For Garza my guess is that the package is:

    Banuelos, Nova, Nunez and Williams.”

    Nobody is giving that much for him…..the Nats didnt give that much for Gio with 4 years of control
    ———————-

    Again – a lot of that depends on your perspective. I’m sure the Nats feel like they gave up quite a bit more for Gio than the Yankees did for Pineda or than the Reds did for Latos.

    In the end – I don’t think the Yankees go after a starter for a couple of reasons:

    1. They are getting Pineda back next year
    2. They have three pitchers (not including Garcia) that they think can all be viable starters and possibly emerge the same way Nova did

  52. G-C June 28th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    Garza may not even be better than Nova is now.

    People are seriously underrating the improvements that Nova has made thusfar. He has been a much, much better pitcher this season than ever before in his career. He’s missing far more bats and refined his control.

    He wasn’t anything more than a 4-5ish pitcher with the way he performed last year, but he’s showing genuine front of the rotation potential now and as is would already be a good #3 on a championship level team.

  53. Chip June 28th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    jackamir June 28th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    I am kind of surprised Mitchell & Ortiz(who has pitched well) have not been given some consideration.
    ——————

    Ortiz isn’t coming up because they would have to take someone off the 40 man roster

  54. blake June 28th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    ” I’m sure the Nats feel like they gave up quite a bit more for Gio than the Yankees did for Pineda or than the Reds did for Latos.”

    they did….well at least more….but all those pitchers had at least twice as many years of control as Garza does now. Pineda had 5 , Latos had 5, and Gio had 4. …..Garza and a year and a half….he’s almost a rental..

  55. Chip June 28th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    blake June 28th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    ” I’m sure the Nats feel like they gave up quite a bit more for Gio than the Yankees did for Pineda or than the Reds did for Latos.”

    they did….well at least more….but all those pitchers had at least twice as many years of control as Garza does now. Pineda had 5 , Latos had 5, and Gio had 4. …..Garza and a year and a half….he’s almost a rental..
    —————

    That’s true too – but rentals still cost a ton (in theory) the Brewers gave up a lot for Greinke and Marcum. The Rangers gave up a lot for Lee. Now yes – those guys are better than Garza…but it’s a seller’s market.

  56. blake June 28th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    “Garza may not even be better than Nova is now.”

    correct. He’s got more track record…..but how much better would he actually pitch than Nova the rest of the way? Also he’s a lot more expensive and controlled a lot less time. No way the Yanks would do that…..maybe they’d consider Banuelos if the staff goes to pot between now and July 31st…..we have to hope that doesn’t happen.

  57. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    “Garza may not even be better than Nova is now.”

    I think it would be a horrific move. My point in bringing him up is that I think they don’t have enough to deal for a pitcher like that unless they trade Williams/Sanchez/Austin types OR Nova. But I am against trading for a big pitcher no matter what.

  58. blake June 28th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    “That’s true too – but rentals still cost a ton (in theory)”

    over the last couple of years the price for rentals has generally been one good prospect and then filler after that……usually whoever steps up and offers one of their best guys gets the player. Teams more and more are favoring quality over quantity in trades.

  59. Chip June 28th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    blake June 28th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    “That’s true too – but rentals still cost a ton (in theory)”

    over the last couple of years the price for rentals has generally been one good prospect and then filler after that……usually whoever steps up and offers one of their best guys gets the player. Teams more and more are favoring quality over quantity in trades.
    —————–

    I still would be shocked if it was less than Banuelos and Mason Williams at least.

  60. blake June 28th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    If CC comes back on time I think the Yanks can hold the fort…..but they can’t afford another guy to go down or under perform. How Hughes, Kuroda, and Nova pitch will be big….if those guys perform then hopefully the Yanks won’t do anything….if they don’t….who knows.

  61. blake June 28th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    “I still would be shocked if it was less than Banuelos and Mason Williams at least.”

    yea I think that’s close to the price….I wouldn’t pay it…..and I’m hoping nothing happens to where Cashman feels pressure to do that. I could see Theo pricing himself out of trading Garza at all…..he’s been trying to sell him as a #1 and he’s not….he’s a good pitcher but he’s not that…..

  62. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    If guys keep going down I think you just have to circle the wagons, try to develop from within, and look to next year. They probably won’t do that, but at some point the future has to matter more than the present.

  63. Pat M. June 28th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    blake……And in my mind Gio is better than Garza on many fronts…….If The Yanks were to make a trade for a starting pitcher, they’re not trading someone in the rotation…..Even before Andy got hurt, the thought was that if they made a move on a starter they’d use other pieces and save someone like Hughes to fetch an outfielder of worth……

  64. blake June 28th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    It’s not out of the realm of possibility that Banuelos could help the club this year if they could get him back on the mound….if he came back soon and performed well then would they consider starting him some until Andy came back? Who knows….he looked good at times before he got hurt……the mystery around he and Campos’s status does worry me a bit……nobody seems to know what the heck is up with them. He’s been on the 7 day DL forever….

  65. Ys Guy June 28th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    who cares that he traded montero anyway? he’s 24th in OPS among catchers…big loss there…

  66. DONNYBROOK June 28th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    Future vs Present= Buhner vs. Phelps

  67. blake June 28th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    “blake……And in my mind Gio is better than Garza on many fronts”

    yes….he is. Gio is nasty….maybe the best LH’d curveball in baseball. Who are some outfielders that Hughes could fetch?…..not that they could trade him now of course.

  68. Ys Guy June 28th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    pretty much everyone here except me was opposed to trading for gio this offseason.

  69. DONNYBROOK June 28th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    I still like DeJesus as a 4th OF’er.

  70. Shame Spencer June 28th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    If you make any type of trade it needs to be for a player that’s locked up for at least 4 more seasons… and the qualifier on that is that it needs to have a low/middling AAV. If you trade any of Williams/Sanchez/Benuelos, you need to lock someone in until you can restock the farm.

  71. blake June 28th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    “who cares that he traded montero anyway? he’s 24th in OPS among catchers…big loss there…”

    .253/.289/.448/.737.

    That’s Matt Kemp’s slash line through a similar amount of big league plate appearances as what Montero has right now…..not saying Montero will hit like Matt Kemp one day…..but it’s way too early to make any judgements on what he will or won’t do.

  72. Ys Guy June 28th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    i wanted them to trade montero and either banuelos or betances for gio. let’s just say i was in the minority…

  73. blake June 28th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    “pretty much everyone here except me was opposed to trading for gio this offseason.”

    I didn’t want to trade for him because he would have cost even more than Pineda did…..but I have always thought he was really good despite the walk issues….

  74. DONNYBROOK June 28th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    The way people around here were talkin’ after the trade, Montero should have 25 HR by Now.

  75. blake June 28th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    “i wanted them to trade montero and either banuelos or betances for gio”

    the price was higher than that based on the trade that happened for him.

  76. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    “The way people around here were talkin’ after the trade, Montero should have 25 HR by Now.”

    That’s absurd, but if they still had him, they could trade him for something they need. Correct me if I am wrong, but I suspect that Pineda is untradeable.

  77. ron June 28th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    The yankees are not going to trade nova for garza,and be in the same position.
    Garza might be better,but i doubt he will win more than nova.

    That trade would make zero sense.
    You don’t trade a 50,000 dollar pitcher,under control for many more years for a 10 million or more dollar pitcher,unless it is a major,guaranteed upgrade.

  78. ron June 28th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    500,000 dollar a year,i meant.

  79. DONNYBROOK June 28th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    Teams normally do Not touch the 25 Man Roster when doing a Trade Deadline Deal. Nova is safe.

  80. Pat M. June 28th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    Matt Kemp is a MVP Triple Crown Gold Glove candidate….Sorry Blake, the only comparison in my mind is that they both play on the coast….

  81. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    “Matt Kemp is a MVP Triple Crown Gold Glove candidate….Sorry Blake, the only comparison in my mind is that they both play on the coast….”

    Come on, Pat. You have to know that the comparison was obviously made for the limited purpose of highlighting learning curves, and it’s entirely valid.

  82. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    There’s a better chance that Shaffer Hall pitches in NY this year than Banuelos making it this year

  83. Pat M. June 28th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    Rich in NJ…….You’re right, an extreme over reaction on my part……..

  84. theREALkevin June 28th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    Come on. Garza is a million times more proven than Nova. Don’t be silly. I’m not sold on Nova in the long run, I really do not care for his mechanics. That being said, I still wouldn’t trade for Garza because it would take too much to get him. There’s no reason to panic, they just have to hold the ship until CC comes back. They still have a good offense & very good bullpen. It’ll be fine, especially with the extra wild card this year. No need to mortgage the future just because of a couple injuries, you could really regret it down the road if those prospects pan out, or if another trade would have come along that was way more advantageous.

  85. blake June 28th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    “Matt Kemp is a MVP Triple Crown Gold Glove candidate….Sorry Blake, the only comparison in my mind is that they both play on the coast….”

    he wasn’t his rookie year though…..point wasn’t that Montero will be as good as Kemp….it was that you can’t judge a player on their first games in the big leagues.

    “Come on. Garza is a million times more proven than Nova. Don’t be silly.”

    he’s not better at all right now…..and he’s a lot more expensive and controlled a lot less years too.

  86. Ys Guy June 28th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    i asked this spring why montero wouldnt struggle out of the box like matt wieters or jarrod saltalamaccia did . i was told he was already better than both of those guys.
    now if you compare both of thier first seasons (96g and 93g) to montero’s #’s to date (86g), all 3 look the same:

    wieters: .753 OPS, salty: .732 OPS, montero: .755 OPS

  87. blake June 28th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    “There’s a better chance that Shaffer Hall pitches in NY this year than Banuelos making it this year”

    probably…..but lets say Banuelos comes back soon and rattles off 3 straight good starts and Phelps and Warren struggle…..they wouldn’t be tempted to let him make some starts until Andy is ready? Of course we have no idea what Banuelos’s status even is or how hurt he is because nobody seems to know…..just sayin

  88. theREALkevin June 28th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    It is absolutely hilarious to me how people just quote Montero’s stats this year and act like he’s a bust for life.

    NEWS FLASH: THE GUY IS 22 YEARS OLD.

    I know it’s hard to believe, but players do get better. You see, baseball is a business of PROJECTING players. Not evaluating ENTIRE CAREERS ON HALF A SEASON WORTH OF PERFORMANCE.

    It’s also LOLworthy to me how the guys that just blindly post Montero’s stats, or say he sucks, COMPLETELY IGNORE THAT WE TRADED HIM FOR NOTHING AT THIS POINT. Pineda had one of the worst injuries a pitcher can get, chances are low that he will ever even be good again. But keep floating that BS that the trade didn’t hurt, k?

  89. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    Pat

    That trade has become a lightening rod, probably because they usually trade from a position at which they have a surplus of assets (in this case, that would be near ML ready, potentially impact, cost-controlled bats), but instead that is the weakest part of the organization.

    That’s why they can’t trade Williams/Sanchez/Austin for any pitcher. With the rules of the new CBA, they can’t replace those guys very easily.

  90. theREALkevin June 28th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    Blake,

    Sorry I don’t agree. I would take Garza over Nova in a heartbeat and in my opinion it’s not even close.

  91. Ys Guy June 28th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    phil has to step it up now, his team needs consistent quality pitching, no more flashes and then setbacks. its time now…

  92. Ys Guy June 28th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    facts are facts kevin, he could get better, he could get worse. people here have had to read over and over again how GREAT this guy already was and how huge a blunder it was to let him get away. and how much they were going to miss his bat this year.

    so until and unless he does get a whole lot better you’re going to hear it because i had to hear about his undisputed greatness for months on here.

  93. blake June 28th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    “Sorry I don’t agree. I would take Garza over Nova in a heartbeat and in my opinion it’s not even close.”

    you gonna sign Garza? Who you gonna trade for him? In a vacuum yea Garza is probably better at this moment….but in real life there is no way you trade Nova for him…..

  94. Wave Your Hat June 28th, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    Garza’s not worth the price differential over Nova, and anyway, with Andy out trading an existing starter for some other team’s starter doesn’t make a lot of sense unless their is a huge difference in ability.

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  96. blake June 28th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    Hensley is one of the 11 first rounders yet to sign. Hope you does soon….

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com

  97. Pat M. June 28th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    Rich in NJ…….That trade will be a hot button topic for years to come, and if Pineda doesn’t bounce back it could go down in Yankee history in infamy……I might be a tad sensitive because I was overwhelming ecstatic when the trade was announced, and 3 months later Pineda’s shoulder is getting cut for repairs……It’s become a Jerk ( Face ) reaction…..They don’t need another arm, they need a right-handed hitting outfielder, I believe

  98. theREALkevin June 28th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    Ys guy,

    That’s fine, but I just want people to understand how incredibly premature it is to make any type of judgments about Montero at this point. He is very young, very inexperienced, and just because he has not started off as a phenom like Trout does not mean he won’t be really good. He has the tools to be very good.

    The trade was not about this season really, it was about the next 5 years. And no matter how you slice it…. If Pineda doesn’t come back and is close to what he was, it has a chance of being disastrous. Campos is so far away you can’t even really factor him in. At this moment it looks really bad, because Pineda is dead currently, and in my opinion Montero has nowhere to go but up.

  99. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    Now it’s back to a weak armed, less than average fielder with not much of a bat in Dejesus then Ramon Ortiz, who’s a less than successful 39 year old junkballer? Really dragging the bottom of the pond there.

  100. Ys Guy June 28th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    “That trade will be a hot button topic for years to come, and if Pineda doesn’t bounce back it could go down in Yankee history in infamy”

    That trade will be a hot button topic for years to come, and if Montero doesn’t bounce back it could go down in Yankee history in infamy

  101. blake June 28th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    “They don’t need another arm, they need a right-handed hitting outfielder, I believe”

    everybody for Mike Trout.

  102. theREALkevin June 28th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    Blake,

    I’m not talking about a literal trade. I’m talking about people saying that Nova is as good as Garza right now. I think it’s really off base. Nova has not come close to proving what Garza has as an MLB pitcher. And I honestly don’t think he will in the long run.

  103. Wave Your Hat June 28th, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    “They don’t need another arm, they need a right-handed hitting outfielder, I believe”

    I assume you mean a cheap, good, right-handed hitting outfielder – I guess to first fill in for Gardner and then to replace Swisher.

    I just can’t see how the Yanks land one. I don’t see the Phelps, Warrens, Mitchells, or even the Banuelos’ (given his injury history), landing one.

  104. Ys Guy June 28th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    here’s the thing kev, i agree, its hard at the start as demonstrated by wieters’ early and continuing struggles as i suggested this preseason. i think the guy will get better and i actually hope he does. i’ve been realistic about montero from the beginning.

    but this board was so overrun with tributes to monteros greatness and continues to be overrun with slights to yankees management for making that trade. these kind of comments assume that a) montero will be a GREAT player and b) pineada is probably done. neither of which is a given.

    i predicted the trade to turn out as a wash from the day it happened and nothing that has happened since has changed my mind on that.

    but im going to remind the geniuses on here who already had a spot in cooperstown picked out that it’s just not that easy and they could even turn out to be dead wrong about ‘the trade’ in the end.

  105. G. Love June 28th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    The only thing that scares me about Garza is Cashman is so gun shy right now I think the only starting pitcher he’d even consider was a guy who already pitched successfully in the AL East.

    If he & his bosses put a premium on that? Then anyone is available.

    As for the Montero trade being a wash, that’s being generous. I think we could certainly use Noesi right now, no? They have 2 healthy players we have 2 injured players both with arm injuries to their pitching arms.

    That’s not a wash. That’s a disaster.

  106. Ys Guy June 28th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    i see that boston tied tampa bay in the standings last night, i think that the socks are going to finish ahead of the rays this year. im very unimpressed with both tampa and baltimore and i think they are both about to slowly drop out of contention.

  107. DONNYBROOK June 28th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Garza is having a “good” season with the Cubs. Run him through the AL East Ringer, and he turns into Steve Trout. No Thanks

  108. blake June 28th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    “I’m talking about people saying that Nova is as good as Garza right now. ”

    right now Nova is 9-2 with a 4.25 ERA with 80 K’s in the AL east. 99 ERA +
    right now Garza is 3-6 with a 4.06 ERA with 79 K’s in the NL central 98 ERA+

  109. theREALkevin June 28th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Ys guy,

    First of all I never said Montero would be in the hall of fame. I did predict he would be an All-Star someday and I still think that.

    I just can’t see how you think it will be even a “wash” at this point. History says that there is a very good chance that Pineda will never be the same with the type of injury he had.

    Of course, as always, time will tell. But as of now it’s a bad trade, because Montero has a better chance of becoming a good MLB hitter than Pineda has of coming back & being what he was after that type of injury.

  110. Pat M. June 28th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Go Italia…..+ 375.00….Nick in SF, you out there ????

  111. blake June 28th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    “Run him through the AL East Ringer, and he turns into Steve Trout. No Thanks”

    Garza has pitched most of his career in the AL east.

  112. theREALkevin June 28th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Blake,

    Post any stat you want. I don’t think Nova is a better pitcher than Garza. Sorry.

  113. Warning Track Power June 28th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    DONNYBROOK June 28th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Garza is having a “good” season with the Cubs. Run him through the AL East Ringer, and he turns into Steve Trout. No Thanks
    ——————————————————————————————
    Pretty much what I am thinking. There are starters in the NL that probably won’t be as successful pitching in the very, very difficult AL East.

  114. Ys Guy June 28th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    two injured pitchers for the 24th best hitting catcher in the majors (min. 85 ab) and a pitcher with a 5.50 era. sounds like a complete wash to me.

  115. DONNYBROOK June 28th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Yea, 2 years ago.

  116. blake June 28th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    “Post any stat you want. I don’t think Nova is a better pitcher than Garza. Sorry.”

    maybe not….but right now the numbers say they are close this year…….

  117. theREALkevin June 28th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    Yawn.

    I’m done with this. You still can’t see that this trade is about the next 5 or 10 years, not the ONE season immediately after the trade.

    Later.

  118. Wave Your Hat June 28th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    “I think we could certainly use Noesi right now, no?”

    He of the 5.50 ERA in 2012, 6.59 ERA in June?

    No.

  119. blake June 28th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Garza is pretty much the same pitcher he’s always been….he had a terrible May this year but if he were traded to the Yankees I’d expect him to post a 3.5-4 era like he always does…..he’s a good pitcher….the issue is that he’s not a #1 and Theo will try to sell him as one.

  120. Shame Spencer June 28th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    I love Nova.

    What are the thoughts on Cash saying Freddie stays in the rotation when CC returns? It’s as much as I’d expect, but what if Warren shows something?

  121. Shame Spencer June 28th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    If you can convince KURODA to sign another one year deal next year that’d be pretty sweet.

  122. Wave Your Hat June 28th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    ““Post any stat you want. I don’t think Nova is a better pitcher than Garza. Sorry.”

    maybe not….but right now the numbers say they are close this year…….”

    Don’t forget that the numbers that REALLY count have Garza about $9M a year more than Nova.

  123. Shame Spencer June 28th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Germany comes out strong, as predicted. Hope Italy can weather the storm and get some chances..

  124. Nick in SF June 28th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Y’s Guy: have you commented about how dead wrong you were about:

    1) the Yankees’ interest in Hiroki Kuroda

    2) their subsequent signing of Kuroda?

    and

    3) Kuroda’s performance as a Yankee?

  125. Pat M. June 28th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    blake……I like Garza, always have…However I’m not certain that the benefits outweigh the cost factor….

  126. Ys Guy June 28th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    warren has given up alot of hits in aaa. 10h/9ip and a 1.45 whip isnt wowing me. ill be happy if he can just keep us in most of the games he pitches till someone else is available and doesnt blow out the BP.

  127. Wave Your Hat June 28th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    “but if he were traded to the Yankees I’d expect him to post a 3.5-4 era like he always does”

    The last two years in Tampa he put up ERAs around 3.90, which is about where his 3.30 ERA last year in the NL would put him in the AL. He’s pitching to a 4.00 ERA in the NL this year, adjust for Wrigley and that’s about a 4.50 ERA in the AL.

    I can’t see giving up Nova for a pitcher like that who costs $9 million more to boot.

    It won’t happen anyway, it’s silly even to discuss it, the Yanks can’t trade away a starter right now.

  128. Ys Guy June 28th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    yes i didnt want kuroda. he’s been pretty good but uneven and we’ll see how it turns out in the end. i did want gio gonzalez though, i think he’d be a better fit in that spot.

  129. bruceb June 28th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Thought Freddie pitched pretty well in relief last night, although a few balls went straight to a fielder. I actually think he’ll do okay on Monday but not so sure about Fenway Park. I don’t think Cashman will give him too long a leash this time. If he can’t get the job done, it will be Warren, Phelps or A.N.Other.

  130. Warning Track Power June 28th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Cashman on Michael Kay radio show soon……….
    Should be a fun interview

  131. Warning Track Power June 28th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Kay is bashing the Killer B’s right now and with good cause.
    Banuelos is on the DL and Betances averages 7 walks to 9 IP

  132. Warning Track Power June 28th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    bruceb June 28th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Thought Freddie pitched pretty well in relief last night, although a few balls went straight to a fielder. I actually think he’ll do okay on Monday but not so sure about Fenway Park.
    ——————————————————————————————————–
    Freddy at Fenway Park sounds like a 4 1/2 hour game, about 25 runs scored and Boston might
    have about 17 of those runs.
    Recipe for disaster.
    I have not done the math, but with 4 games in 3 days at Boston next weekend, can the Yankees somehow avoid asking Freddy to start a game at Boston. I hope so!

  133. DONNYBROOK June 28th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    Why would the Yanks surrender cheap,young, talent, for a guy\Garza that they anticipate having a 3.5-4.0 ERA in the AL ??? NOPE

  134. Wave Your Hat June 28th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    “Kay is bashing the Killer B’s right now and with good cause.”

    The “Killer B’s” is a good reason why all this prospect hype is way overblown.

    Banuelos, Betances, Brackman. One guy gone, one guy can’t find the plate, one guy a frequent visitor to the DL.

    Too many pixels spilled to count.

  135. Shame Spencer June 28th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    Beautiful.

  136. Ys Guy June 28th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    hey nick while you’re searching my past posts see if you can find the one where i said ian kennedy wasnt as good as last year’s stats indicated and was going to be much worse this year.

    and the one where i said the nationals were going to win the nl east while you’re at it…

  137. bruceb June 28th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    Perhaps they should be renamed the “Hari-kari Bs” as two of them have already fallen on their swords.

  138. yankeefeminista June 28th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    Shame Spencer June 28th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
    Beautiful.
    ____
    :)

  139. Nick in SF June 28th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    “yes i didnt want kuroda. he’s been pretty good but uneven and we’ll see how it turns out in the end.”

    That’s pretty tepid. Now only did you not want Kuroda, you were derisive about the very idea of the Yankees’ interest in him. And you were dead wrong. If you feel duty bound to go after people you think were wrong about Montero in some way, shouldn’t you also go after yourself for everything you posted about Kuroda?

    And… as for Montero, maybe you should wait to see how it turns out in the end rather than making such a big deal over the numbers of a 22 year old playing his first season in SafeCo?

    Just a thought.

  140. G. Love June 28th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    Wave,

    I agree with you there. The prospect hype gets so high at times there’s nowhere to go but down for some of these guys.

    How about we stop nick-naming prospects for 5 years?

    When they come up to the team and stick, feel free to call them whatever you want.

    Very disappointed in Betances and I shouldn’t be. The only reason I’m disappointed is the severe amount of hype I’ve read in here over the years.

    That said, the guy would have had a rotation spot handed to him if he had earned any of the hyperbole he’s earned in here and on other boards.

    I hope the AA demotion brings that pitcher back that so many have raved about. Both him and Banuelos just missed a wide open slot to the majors where they could’ve started until Andy got healthy and then been in the pen for the post season/Sept when they hit their pitch limits.

  141. Warning Track Power June 28th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    Kay said his 3 guests on today’s show are:
    Cashman
    Robin Ventura
    Terry Francona

    Not bad. I’ll have to tune in

  142. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    and another pitcher bites the dust with ACL injury. Daniel Hudson of ‘Zona is toast for a while.

  143. Shame Spencer June 28th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    Hey there fem, are you happy about the Sidney deal? Can’t imagine there’s much to complain about.. Although I did notice there was no mention of a no trade clause. I guess they didn’t give Crosby a NMC or NTC because of his head injury.

    So…looks like Sidney Crosby is one concussion away from being a Ranger. (Sorry I just couldn’t help it lol please forgive me!)

  144. Nick in SF June 28th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    “hey nick while you’re searching my past posts…”

    I’m not searching your past posts. Please don’t be silly.

  145. Pat M. June 28th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    Clearly The Yanks would rather have Phelps as opposed to Warren, but it is what it is…….It’s his time to shine !!!!! I’m looking for an upset today and Italia is the selection…….

  146. Warning Track Power June 28th, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    Both him and Banuelos just missed a wide open slot to the majors where they could’ve started until Andy got healthy and then been in the pen for the post season/Sept when they hit their pitch limits.
    —————————————————————————————————————-
    I’m not sure about that.
    I think both Warren and Phelps were ahead of these 2 in the pecking order.
    Banuelos is a very, very young kid. I highly doubt the team would have rushed him to the Majors, based on the amount of starting pitching depth the Yankees currently have in the minors.
    IMO, Banuelos was always at least 2 years away from starting for the Yankees.
    This is year 1. Next year he can spend the majority of the season working on his pitching in AAA and if all goes well, hope for a Sept 2013 call-up

  147. Shame Spencer June 28th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    Pat M. June 28th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    I’m looking for an upset today and Italia is the selection……

    —————

    We share a vision :)

  148. G. Love June 28th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    And by no means am I questioning what anyone claims to have seen from Betances.

    I think his fans see the best in him but he’s not living up to his end of the bargain just yet.

    That being said, we’ve seen guys like Nova get demoted and kicked around and figure it out.

    I hope that happens for Betances. We need high end pitching to stop Cashman from chasing it and allow him to focus on the offense which needs major upgrades on a small budget in the coming years.

  149. yankeefeminista June 28th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    Shame, I am only soccer-focused for the next two hours. ;)

  150. Wave Your Hat June 28th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    I’m not sure why Betances was demoted to AA instead of being sent to Tampa to work on his mechanics. I don’t see how seeing AA hitters is going to fix his problem.

  151. G. Love June 28th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    Warning Track – If Banuelos were healthy and thriving at AAA they would’ve went to him. Same with Betances. These are considered the high end arms, the top rated arms.

    How do you look Jeter and Arod in the eye and tell him we’re going with a guy with average AAA numbers over the 2 kids who are lights out that are on everyone’s radar?

    If the timing were right and they were living up to their potential, they’d both be up and Freddie would be the long man.

  152. Warning Track Power June 28th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    Cashman said he expects Freddy to be the man. Which makes me think
    that Freddy will be asked to make all 3 starts until C.C. returns.

  153. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    Would like to see Betances taken out of the wind-up and have him back off on the gas a bit to try and get under control.

  154. Wave Your Hat June 28th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    “We need high end pitching to stop Cashman from chasing it and allow him to focus on the offense which needs major upgrades on a small budget in the coming years.”

    I honestly don’t see how that’s going to happen under the soft cap.

    I prefer (1) to focus on this year and (2) to believe Hal will relent on the cap business when push comes to shove.

  155. Nick in SF June 28th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    Pat M., Italy looking good so far. It would be a beautiful thing to see the Germans ousted.

    Just remember, some of these Italian players may have been tainted by match-fixing scandals in the past and Frau Merkel is always lurking with a sackful of Euros.

  156. G. Love June 28th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    Wave,

    I almost wonder if the Yankees are giving Betances Trenton as a way to see if this ridiculous AAA season with no home base could be causing his issues.

    I wonder if he thrives at AA if they don’t just let him make the jump to the majors.

    You have to think playing an entire AAA as a road team in essence is stressing the guys at AAA out.

    The Mets should be ashamed of themselves for forcing that on us.

  157. Warning Track Power June 28th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Cashman said he has not talked to any teams about trading for starting pitching and said that if he was to begin those talks, that teams would be asking for the kids down
    in Charleston. Cash does not want to give up those players.

  158. Shame Spencer June 28th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    GOAAAAL!!!!!

  159. DONNYBROOK June 28th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Nova has given up More hits than IP, so let’s Not get carried away. But his ceiling and current price\ $$$, make him more valuable than Garza trade bait.

  160. yankeefeminista June 28th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    BAL-O-TELLI!

  161. Warning Track Power June 28th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    Cashman said he expects Phelps to be with the team this weekend. Cash wants Phelps & Warren on the team and send down Igawashi once Phelps returns this weekend.

  162. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    and another pitcher bites the dust with ACL injury. Daniel Hudson of ‘Zona is toast for a while.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    My typo/mistake. It’s UCL, not ACL.

    Ethier has discovered that he has an oblique, now, and it’s strained.

  163. Against All Odds June 28th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    I love when fans bash prospects. :/

  164. bruceb June 28th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    Germans in deep doodoo now.

  165. Wave Your Hat June 28th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    “The Mets should be ashamed of themselves for forcing that on us.”

    I think about that just about every evening since my train takes me past the stadium in Newark where they would have played.

  166. Warning Track Power June 28th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    Cash said its disappointing that Manny and Betances are not available to be called up
    for different reasons.
    Both are young and developing. Both were pitching in their 1st year at AAA

  167. Warning Track Power June 28th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    Betances demoted so he can get his confidence going and will be facing hitters that might not be as much of a challenge to him as the AAA hitters were.

  168. ron June 28th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    Garza’s whip,hits per innings,baa are light years better than nova’s.

  169. austinmac June 28th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    I am all for improving the team, but I don’t see how much can be done at this point. Betances has very little value. Banuelos value is also far reduced as elbow problems at 21 often end up with surgery down the road, or at least that will be the concern.

    The low A guys do not have the trade value that they have in value to the Yankees and their payroll needs going forward. No one is going to give you a quality player for a low A guy as the centerpiece except on a rental. I wouldn’t give up a potetial future high quality player for a rental.

    Personally, I like Greinke. He could come and show he can perform in New York. As I recall he contacted Cashman over the winter and said he wold like to come. However, He will require the high level prospect(s) they can’t give. If they could trade him for Phelps and Adams or something like that, then I am in. I just don’t see that exciting the Brewers or competing with other teams’ offers.

  170. Shame Spencer June 28th, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    Arod at DH, Stewie in.

  171. Wave Your Hat June 28th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    “Betances demoted so he can get his confidence going and will be facing hitters that might not be as much of a challenge to him as the AAA hitters were.”

    I don’t think all the walks are from lack of confidence and challenging AAA hitters. His mechanics need work.

  172. Warning Track Power June 28th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    Cashman said a realistic return date for Pettitte could very well be Sept 1.

  173. Warning Track Power June 28th, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    Wave Your Hat June 28th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    “Betances demoted so he can get his confidence going and will be facing hitters that might not be as much of a challenge to him as the AAA hitters were.”

    I don’t think all the walks are from lack of confidence and challenging AAA hitters. His mechanics need work.
    ————————————————————————————————————-
    Wave-that’s what Cashman had to say on Kay’s radio show moments ago.
    Cash also mentioned that since the kid is 6 foot, 8 inches, it’s very hard for a pitcher that tall to be consistent with his delivery=poor mechanics.

  174. tomingeorgia June 28th, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    WTP,
    It wasn’t the AAA hitters that were challenging him, it was finding the plate.

  175. bruceb June 28th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    The Yankee farm system seems to have gone down the pan pretty quickly. Only a year ago, it seemed everyone was buzzing about Montero and the Killer-Bs. Now two have gone and the other two’s trade value has plummeted.

  176. Nick in SF June 28th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    “We need high end pitching to stop Cashman from chasing it…

    Only Cashman can stop Cashman?

  177. Shame Spencer June 28th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    Martin swears he’s ok, right?

  178. Warning Track Power June 28th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    Shame-Sooner or later Stewart is going to walk into Girardi’s office and “DEMAND” to
    be named the Yankees Starting Catcher, LOL!!

  179. DONNYBROOK June 28th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    Martin’s BA could have a lot to do with his being outta the lineup.

  180. austinmac June 28th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    Stewart is, sadly enough, out hitting Martin these days. Martin is completely lost at the plate.

    I do think the Yankee farm system is going to take a big ratings hit next year with the Bs falling off the charts. Banuelos I stillhave hopes for if he can be healthy. Betances is rapidly going toward non-professional baseball player. Is he pitching any better thean Brackman did last year? Not much.

  181. Wave Your Hat June 28th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    “Martin’s BA could have a lot to do with his being outta the lineup.”

    Or maybe that collision yesterday.

  182. Shame Spencer June 28th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    DONNYBROOK June 28th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    Martin’s BA could have a lot to do with his being outta the lineup.

    ———————–

    This could be true, but Stewie isn’t lighting it up either so I doubt it.

    Martin’s had back issues for a while. Makes me very skeptical we see Romaine stick around long. Back issues, especially for the C position, are very tricky.

    Germany guilty of being overconfident.. announcers guilty of inflating their egos lol.

  183. Shame Spencer June 28th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    austinmac June 28th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    Stewart is, sadly enough, out hitting Martin these days. Martin is completely lost at the plate.

    ————–

    I pretend this isn’t true.

  184. bruceb June 28th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    How many more injuries can this team cope with? You need a circular lineup against a hard-hitting team like the White Sox. Mind you, I slagged Stewart off on Tuesday and he got two hits and a sac fly so here’s hoping.

  185. DONNYBROOK June 28th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Free agent catcher with back issues??? NEXT

  186. Warning Track Power June 28th, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    Donny
    Martin’s back is going through a tough time right now. I give the guy another week
    before wondering what really is wrong with his back or if the Yankees are hiding
    a significant injury(very possible)

  187. tomingeorgia June 28th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    Shame,
    Germany has often been overconfident, with disastrous results for the world.

  188. tomingeorgia June 28th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    At least this time, it’s just a soccer game.

  189. Jerkface June 28th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    Germany has often been overconfident, with disastrous results for the world.

    Italy being put in a position to win the euro cup is indeed disastrous.

  190. LGY June 28th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    Things we haven’t seen before.

    Martin hurts his back, Yankees refuse to DL him, he tweaks his back again a few days later thus removing the possibility of a retroactive DL stint, Yankees left with 24 man roster for 10-14 days.

  191. tomingeorgia June 28th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    Teutons shouldn’t have so much trouble with those lazy southern races.

  192. BX33 June 28th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    The “Killer B’s” is a good reason why all this prospect hype is way overblown.

    Banuelos, Betances, Brackman. One guy gone, one guy can’t find the plate, one guy a frequent visitor to the DL.

    ————

    So, basically they will be even less successful than Generation Trey?

  193. Pat M. June 28th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Italians have what seems like home field advantage….I mean they are playing in Warsaw and the Poles have a long memory…………….Manny B is the diamond in the rough for The NY Yankees

  194. Nick in SF June 28th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    Let’s not lose focus on the big Universidad de Chile vs. O’Higgins match in the Chile Primera Division Apertura playoffs. That matters too.

  195. LGY June 28th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    Interview with Ty Hensley

    thunderbaseball.wordpress.com/2012/06/28/fut…

  196. Wave Your Hat June 28th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    “o, basically they will be even less successful than Generation Trey?”

    Wow, I had to google that…

  197. BX33 June 28th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    Garza’s whip,hits per innings,baa are light years better than nova’s.

    —————-

    Again, it is not a player for player swap, it is a value for value swap.

    Same reason why Cubs wouldn’t want Hughes for Garza, even if Hughes were a comparable pitcher to Garza. Service time and salary matter.

    At this point, there is a short list of players that it is worth trading 4.5 years of Nova for. They have to get some cost-controlled production from somewhere if they want to make this budget thing work.

  198. LGY June 28th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    Link doesn’t work. My bad.

    http://thunderbaseball.wordpre.....interview/

  199. blake June 28th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    “Personally, I like Greinke. He could come and show he can perform in New York. As I recall he contacted Cashman over the winter and said he wold like to come. However, He will require the high level prospect(s) they can’t give. If they could trade him for Phelps and Adams or something like that, then I am in. I just don’t see that exciting the Brewers or competing with other teams’ offers.”

    Greinke could be a difference maker in a playoff series…..he’s a guy you could match up with pretty much anybody’s #2 and a lot of #1′s and either be even or have an advantage….problem is I don’t think you’ll be able to get him without giving up a prime prospect…..somebody always antes up and gives one of their best guys or more to go for it…..

  200. blake June 28th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    Banuelos is hurt….not much to get on him about with that….it happens….it’s unfortunate but thus is life with young pitchers. He was pitching much better before he got hurt….went like 3 starts in a row without walking hardly anybody and the results followed. I still think he’s got a chance to be a good one……

  201. ET June 28th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    Giants have up Zack Wheeler, who is now one of the top prospects in baseball, for half a season of Beltran. And IIRC, Beltran wasn’t even allowed to be offered arbitration so they got no compensation either.

  202. Wave Your Hat June 28th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    “Greinke could be a difference maker in a playoff series…”

    Presumably the Yanks would have both CC and Pettitte by the time the playoffs roll around. Add Kuroda and one of Hughes and Nova and I’m comfortable with that rotation.

  203. blake June 28th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    “Giants have up Zack Wheeler, who is now one of the top prospects in baseball, for half a season of Beltran. And IIRC, Beltran wasn’t even allowed to be offered arbitration so they got no compensation either.”

    nope….but somebody always does it. Most teams can’t have a shot at a title every year like the Yankees do…..

  204. blake June 28th, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    “Presumably the Yanks would have both CC and Pettitte by the time the playoffs roll around. Add Kuroda and one of Hughes and Nova and I’m comfortable with that rotation.”

    sure…..but Sabathia, Greinke, Pettite, Hughes/Nova/Kuroda is better…..just saying….I wouldn’t pay what it would take to make that happen most likely…..but if you’re going for it then that does give you a better shot at a title. Those top 3 would be as good as anybody in baseball.

  205. blake June 28th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    Cubs Willing To Pay Part Of Dempster’s Salary In Deal
    By Mike Axisa [June 28 at 2:21pm CST]
    The Cubs have baseball’s worst record (26-49) and are willing to listen to trade offers for almost any player on their roster other than Starlin Castro. Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports that Chicago is willing to pay part of Ryan Dempster’s $14MM salary in a deal in order to receive better quality prospects in return. Their plan is to accumulate talent, not save money.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com

    If you eat 12 million I’ll give you Brandon Laird.

  206. yanks 27 June 28th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    Eh, CC hasn’t been great in the playoffs and Hughes/Nova are still suspect, even though Nova did throw a good game vs. DET last year.

    I’d take as many top arms as I could get.

  207. Wave Your Hat June 28th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    “I wouldn’t pay what it would take to make that happen most likely”

    Well that was my point…

  208. ron June 28th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    BX33 June 28th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
    Garza’s whip,hits per innings,baa are light years better than nova’s.

    —————-

    Again, it is not a player for player swap, it is a value for value swap.

    Same reason why Cubs wouldn’t want Hughes for Garza, even if Hughes were a comparable pitcher to Garza. Service time and salary matter.

    At this point, there is a short list of players that it is worth trading 4.5 years of Nova for. They have to get some cost-controlled production from somewhere if they want to make this budget thing work
    —————————————————————————————————————–

    This is why if you read my other post,i would not trade nova,in a package for garza.

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