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Postgame notes: “I’m going to be cautious”

Posted by: vmercogliano - Posted in Misc on Jun 28, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

What could have been a win that gave the Yankees a huge confidence boost after losing both CC Sabathia and Andy Pettitte to injury yesterday ended up being a devastating 4-3 loss that left the clubhouse feeling as somber as it has in quite some time.

David Robertson is usually one of the last Yankees to express any sort of displeasure, but it was written all over his face tonight. Clearly, Robertson was mad at himself for giving up the decisive home run to Dayan Viciedo in the ninth, but he also was a bit more open about his disappointment with how he was used than I would have expected.

“If it’s up to me – if it’s my choice – yeah, I would prefer (to start the inning),” Robertson said. “But I’ve been in situations before just like that, and I’ve gotten out of them. Tonight just wasn’t my night.”

With regular closer Rafael Soriano understandably unavailable after pitching in four of the last five games, Joe Girardi defended his decision not to start the inning with Robertson.

“His velocity has been not as consistent as before he g0t hurt, so I’m watching him,” Girardi said. “I’m going to be cautious.”

Basically, Girardi said that he decided to mix and match in the ninth inning rather than use Robertson for the second consecutive day. Robertson said that he felt fine to pitch a full inning, even noting that he felt better in his second consecutive day of work against the Mets over the weekend than he did in his first.

When asked if he thought he was going to have the opportunity to start and finish the ninth inning, Robertson responded, “I thought I was.”

• Of course, the inning would have never come down to Viciedo’s homer if Clay Rapada had been able to turn what looked to be a routine double play. After Cody Eppley gave up a single to lead off the inning, Girardi went to Rapada to face the lefty A.J. Pierzynski. Rapada induced a weak ground ball right back to the pitcher, but his throw to second sailed into center field. “I thought I fielded it very cleanly, I just didn’t get my feet going, and pushed the ball right into center field,” Rapada said. “It’s really tough because I executed the pitch that I wanted, I just didn’t do my job as a fielder… Throwing to the chest is throwing to the chest, and I didn’t do it.”

• Girardi was asked if he regretted his decision to not allow Robertson to pitch the entire inning. “No, not at all,” he said. “We give up a hit, and we get a double play ball. I should have been bringing him in with two outs… We’ve done a lot of mixing and matching, and we’re going to continue to do it.”

• Lost in all of the ninth inning madness was a strong outing from Ivan Nova. He was hit hard at times, but gave the Yankees 7 1/3 innings of one-run ball. “I have to say my fastball and slider (were working), because my curveball wasn’t there today,” he said. “But I battled to the end.”

• Girardi talked about White Sox starter Dylan Axelrod, who did a pretty good job against this Yankees lineup other than the fifth inning. “I thought he threw a lot of sliders that were effective against us,” Girardi said. “Whether they were behind in the count or ahead in the count, he stayed down and nibbled.”

• The Yankees did most of their damage in the fifth with two outs. Curtis Granderson singled, which was followed by an RBI double from A-Rod. I’ve been saying for quite some time that opposing pitchers seem to always give him these hittable first-pitch strikes because they know he usually takes them. Tonight, he jumped on two first-pitch strikes, and it resulted in two doubles. Robby Cano also had an RBI double in the inning, giving him 19 RBI in the month of June.

• With a man on and two outs in the ninth, Derek Jeter hit one to the wall in right field that could have provided the Yankees with a walkoff win. “I didn’t know,” Jeter said when asked if he thought it was a home run. “They were playing no doubles (defense), so it either goes out or he catches it.”

• Here’s a typical Derek Jeter response on what it means to tie Cal Ripken, Jr. for 13th on the all-time hits list: “Right now, it’s kind of hard to sit around and think about it. Obviously what Cal represents, being a shortstop, he’s someone that I’ve always admired.”

• My opinion on Girardi’s decision not to use Robertson to start the ninth: He got too cute. I understand that Robertson is coming off of an injury, but he was obviously available. He’s their set-up man, and when the closer isn’t ready to go, the set-up man gets to close. You have to show more confidence in a guy that’s been as good as D-Rob. Girardi has done a great job managing the bullpen all year. But not tonight.

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193 Responses to “Postgame notes: “I’m going to be cautious””

  1. blake June 28th, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    “My opinion on Girardi’s decision not to use Robertson to start the ninth: He got too cute. I understand that Robertson is coming off of an injury, but he was obviously available. He’s their set-up man, and when the closer isn’t ready to go, the set-up man gets to close. You have to show more confidence in a guy that’s been as good as D-Rob. Girardi has done a great job managing the bullpen all year. But not tonight.”

    totally agree. It’s one game….everyone learn from it and move on to tomorrow. Night all

  2. Nick in SF June 28th, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    Melky just got a single off of Cueto; vote him into the All-Star Game, polls still open!

  3. Hassey June 28th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    This should replace that awful taste in everyone’s mouth and help you all get to sleep:

    http://www.sportsherniablog.co.....lpark.html

  4. Nick in SF June 28th, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    Cueto picked off Melky; sorry if I led you astray.

  5. Nick in SF June 28th, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    New York Knickerbockers on the clock!

  6. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    Erik Boland?@eboland11

    Rapada:”I did my job as a pitcher, I just didn’t do my job as a fielder & I put DRob in a bad situation..I really let the team down tonight”

  7. Nick in SF June 28th, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    And… Knicks fans at the draft are absolutely outraged.

  8. LGY June 28th, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    LOL the Knicks actually topped the Jorts pick last year

  9. Nick in SF June 28th, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    Frederic Wies thinks it’s a pretty solid pick.

  10. LGY June 28th, 2012 at 11:27 pm

    @MarcCarig: RT @bkabak: Erin Robertson Yankee manager. https://t.co/JwcZg9aA

  11. Tyler June 28th, 2012 at 11:28 pm

    Where did the Knicks first round pick get sent to?

  12. Tyler June 28th, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    LGY June 28th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
    @MarcCarig: RT @bkabak: Erin Robertson Yankee manager. https://t.co/JwcZg9aA
    —————————————–

    Not as bad as I thought it was going to be but the last thing Girardi, who manages a great bullpen, needs is family members criticizing him on social media…

  13. LGY June 28th, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    Knicks fans wait 3 hours and they pick a euro stash guy. Hilarious. Grunwald is the best.

  14. Nick in SF June 28th, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    Next thing you know, Little Dante will be tweeting that Joe makes him go to bed too early.

  15. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    “Where did the Knicks first round pick get sent to?”

    Houston for the extra cap space of last year.

  16. Wang IS Taiwan June 28th, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    When is Girardi going to realize that he’s not as smart as he thinks he is? This is on him. No way you wait to bring in DRB after there’s a big mess. Duh. This isn’t kindergarten. He needs to quit babying the players and start putting them in a position to WIN and NOT lose.

    GRR. Glad DRob spoke up about it.

  17. Tyler June 28th, 2012 at 11:37 pm

    Rich in NJ June 28th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
    “Where did the Knicks first round pick get sent to?”

    Houston for the extra cap space of last year.
    ————————

    Thanks! I don’t understand all of the NBA regulations with draft picks… like how did the Heat get to pick 27th even though they won the championship? I like hockey where teams pick where they finish the season.

  18. jacksquat June 28th, 2012 at 11:37 pm

    I don’t agree with the opinions that Robertson can’t close or shouldn’t be closing yet. If Soriano is not available he is the man.

  19. jmills June 28th, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    Jays does do rule – Carter!!!!!

  20. Wang IS Taiwan June 28th, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    Girardi was asked if he regretted his decision to not allow Robertson to pitch the entire inning. “No, not at all,” he said. “We give up a hit, and we get a double play ball. I should have been bringing him in with two outs… We’ve done a lot of mixing and matching, and we’re going to continue to do it.”

    ~~~~~~~~~

    Not once since he’s been manager here as he ever admitted he was flat-out wrong and he’s made more than his share of dumb donkey moves. Talk about a pride issue.

  21. Tyler June 28th, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    Wang IS Taiwan June 28th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
    When is Girardi going to realize that he’s not as smart as he thinks he is? This is on him. No way you wait to bring in DRB after there’s a big mess. Duh. This isn’t kindergarten. He needs to quit babying the players and start putting them in a position to WIN and NOT lose.

    GRR. Glad DRob spoke up about it.
    —————————————

    Girardi made a mistake tonight but do you not think he’s managed the
    pen wonderfully this year? I still think he’s the best at managing a bullpen in the big leagues regardless of his mistake tonight…

  22. pat June 28th, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    pada5something
    I take responsibility for tonight… Drob should’ve not been in that situation … Back at tomorrow.. Thanks to the true fans yanks

  23. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    I think Girardi did the right thing with Roberston. I just wish the offense scored more.

  24. Tyler June 28th, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    Hey Jmills! Is Colby Rasmus still tearing it up for you guys?

  25. G. Love June 28th, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    This is why when people say the 9th inning isn’t the most important inning I laugh. It is the most important inning. It’s the last chance the other team has to win the game. If your pitcher loses control or your fielders make errors you end up letting the other team back into the game with momentum shifting.

    Girardi was being too cute & the sad thing is he’ll think what he did tonight was perfectly acceptable and sometimes you lose some.

    Drob should’ve started a clean inning. End of story.

    Rapada made the pitch, but the throw to 2nd is why not everyone is fit for the 9th inning.

    Make that mistake in the 6th and your team has more time to catch up. Make it in the 9th and your backs are against the wall.

    This was a bad loss. Thankfully, there haven’t been too many of these where it gets snatched away at the end of the game.

    If you can’t get those last three outs, you can’t win.

  26. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    “Drob should’ve started a clean inning. End of story.”

    If his velo is in fact down, I get handling carefully.

  27. Nick in SF June 28th, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    Another hit for Melky! Quick, 7 more minutes to vote.

  28. Pat M. June 28th, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    And to quote GB & the great Ted Williams……..” They ain’t ballplayers, their pitchers “…….That is what I thought about when the DP throw sailed into left center field…….Pitchers off the rubber and it usually means hold your breath because here comes trouble

  29. Wang IS Taiwan June 28th, 2012 at 11:57 pm

    Hi Tyler,

    Yes, Girardi has managed to protect the arms of his guys but that’s as far as his “good bullpen management” extends in my opinion.

    He has frequently had horrendous timing in removing and bringing in arms (whether starters or relievers) and displayed bad judgement as to who it should be in a particular situtation. You may not have noticed but his some of his bullpen moves have cost the Yanks quite a few games along the way.

    His bullpen management

  30. jmills June 28th, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    Tyler says – Hi! Colby is ripping it mon ami!!!

  31. Wang IS Taiwan June 29th, 2012 at 12:00 am

    …sorry hit the send button too fast… Trying to hurry out the door.

    Bad loss, but tomorrow’s another day. Too bad nothing was learned here, though. Girardi will continue to try and prove all his critics wrong out of sheer stubbornness (and he has many tonight).

  32. G. Love June 29th, 2012 at 12:03 am

    If Drob’s velocity was such an issue, why play mix & match in the 9th? Why use him at all? That sounded like a total cop out to me.

  33. Yank1 June 29th, 2012 at 12:03 am

    He doesn’t fully trust D-Rob yet in the 9th – can’t blame him.

    What he will learn that if he doesn’t have Soriano available, he is pretty much screwed.

    As a lot of us said though, it is time for the offense to start carrying the team. If they are going to try winning a bunch of close games every night, this is what will happen, especially now that Wade has gone in the tank as well, their pen is thin with not a lot of answers.

  34. TD213 June 29th, 2012 at 12:06 am

    He didn’t want to use D-Rob but once the inning unfolded the way it did, Girardi said screw it and put him in and hope for the best.

    It is like in years past when Joe said he “wanted to stay away” from Rivera but he ended up coming in anyway with runners on to get the save when the guy he put in was ineffective at closing in his place.

  35. We Want Mo Mo June 29th, 2012 at 12:06 am

    Cant wait to go and read SJ44′s opinions on tonights game! Wonder if he has us buried again.

    Also, I wonder how much the Red Sox are comfortably up on Felix and the Mariners en route to another easy victory.

  36. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2012 at 12:08 am

    “If Drob’s velocity was such an issue, why play mix & match in the 9th? Why use him at all? That sounded like a total cop out to me.”

    The goal was to use him for one out.

    I don’t like Girardi, but I can’t kill him for this.

  37. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2012 at 12:09 am

    Pat M. June 28th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
    And to quote GB & the great Ted Williams……..” They ain’t ballplayers, their pitchers “…….That is what I thought about when the DP throw sailed into left center field…….Pitchers off the rubber and it usually means hold your breath because here comes trouble

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Remember Pettitte’s last start at Dodger Stadium a couple of years ago. He threw two balls to first base away in one inning on comebackers to him. This is the guy with one of the best pick-off moves ever. Had trouble on throws to third base, too. Crap happens.

  38. We Want Mo Mo June 29th, 2012 at 12:13 am

    “to quote the great Ted Williams” ????????????????????

    This is a Yankees site. Call GB great, but Ted Williams???

    Frozen Head Ted died with the indignity and disgrace he deserved, and here’s a supposed Yankees fan calling that douche towelette great.

  39. Tyler June 29th, 2012 at 12:15 am

    jmills-

    Good to hear! I live in St. Louis so I’ve kind of followed him since he came up from the minors.

  40. TD213 June 29th, 2012 at 12:18 am

    I always liked Teddy Ballgame – best hitter I’ve seen and was a great guy too. Great competitor too.

  41. We Want Mo Mo June 29th, 2012 at 12:20 am

    Theres just somethign wrong with people, that theyd give credit to a disgraceful human being like Frozen Head Ted.

  42. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2012 at 12:21 am

    Nick Goody promoted from Staten Island to Charleston

  43. jmills June 29th, 2012 at 12:22 am

    Tyler – St.Louis – Colby is alright in my books.

  44. We Want Mo Mo June 29th, 2012 at 12:22 am

    Great competitor? Im already angry enough about tonight’s loss and Red Sox win, but Ive gotta read drivel about some loser that never won a World Series, some thing thats currently a non entity, except of course for his frozen head dented by a monkey wrench beating.

  45. Pat M. June 29th, 2012 at 12:28 am

    We Want Mo Mo……Your BS sounds very familiar from a hump that has stained this blog several times in the past……..Ted Williams was a great ballplayer….Pedro Martinez was a great pitcher……Take your head out of your a*s and grow up…….

  46. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2012 at 12:30 am

    Pat, it is the same piece of sub-human garbage as he always. It’s the same jerk.

  47. We Want Mo Mo June 29th, 2012 at 12:32 am

    Now Pedro Martinez was a great pitcher?? The guy was a steroid user, left off the Mitchell Report by Red Sox VP of Operations George Mitchell, while Roger Clemens had 5 years of his life wasted in court by Mitchell. If you wanna call Frozen Head Ted great because he and you are from a different era, fine. But to call Pedro Martinez great while dismissing all of Roger’s accomplishments is blasphemy… for a supposed Yankees fan.

  48. We Want Mo Mo June 29th, 2012 at 12:36 am

    Clemens has had 5 years of his life stolen, and likely the Hall of Fame stolen away from him by Mitchell, while Pedro got a free ride because of the sub human garbage responsible for the Mitchell Report. To compliment Pedro in any way is criminal. You ought to be arrested.

  49. Bo knows June 29th, 2012 at 12:36 am

    The Yankees are in tough in the next little while, Sox and Sox. Girardi tried to save a bullet. Everything worked to the script until the error. Chit happens.

    If it worked, it’s good BP management of assets, it didn’t – got too cute – spare me.

    Robertson grooved one down the middle.

    Now, his other half chiming in – equals bad performance ie not good.

  50. luis June 29th, 2012 at 12:37 am

    Sorry guys, but Ted Williams was an all time great…Pedro Martinez was a great pitcher…It has nothing to do with fandom…It is what it is

  51. We Want Mo Mo June 29th, 2012 at 12:42 am

    Anyone who thinks Pedro was a great pitcher must also think that Roger Clemens was an even greater pitcher.

  52. jmills June 29th, 2012 at 12:42 am

    Pedro was great, Ted was great,….no question. So was Maddux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  53. luis June 29th, 2012 at 12:43 am

    He was….He just tainted his legacy…But he was a great pitcher

  54. We Want Mo Mo June 29th, 2012 at 12:45 am

    Roger didnt taint his legacy. Red Sox VP of Operations George Mitchell tainted Roger’s legacy. And chose to not taint his own player Pedro’s legacy.

  55. jmills June 29th, 2012 at 12:46 am

    Maddux!

  56. Nick in SF June 29th, 2012 at 12:46 am

    Boston probably passes Showaltimore this weekend.

    Then the real fun begins.

  57. We Want Mo Mo June 29th, 2012 at 12:48 am

    See, what you people fail to understand is this…. Red Sox fans and and org members will stop at nothing to take down NY. Theyre just like me, I was born to be one of them, but unfortunately, I go it alone in my crusade against them.

  58. igotid88 June 29th, 2012 at 12:48 am

    Felix 13ks against the Red Sox and it’s still 0-0 in the bottom of the 9th

  59. We Want Mo Mo June 29th, 2012 at 12:50 am

    And there is nothing else besides fandom for Bostonians. They only care about their own. Theyll never have a good word to say about Mariano or Jeter or Ruth or Yogi or Mantle. They are true to their beliefs, that the Yankees are the devil.

  60. igotid88 June 29th, 2012 at 12:50 am

    M’s beat the Sox

  61. Nick in SF June 29th, 2012 at 12:51 am

    Mariners’ Catcher/DH with the walkoff hit!!!!

  62. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2012 at 12:51 am

    Mariners with a pinch hit walk off single. 1-0.

  63. We Want Mo Mo June 29th, 2012 at 12:53 am

    I wonder if CompassRosy is sulking that her lowly team helped the Yankees tonight…

  64. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2012 at 12:53 am

    NYYs lose no ground in the division.

  65. luis June 29th, 2012 at 1:00 am

    Haven’t realized that we have a 5 game lead over Baltimore and 6.5 over the Sux…Still, would have loved to gain some more room between us and the rest of the division….Hopefully tomorrow we will do so…Good night

  66. We Want Mo Mo June 29th, 2012 at 1:02 am

    Well, Im less angry now, but we couldve been up 8 games. Oh well, it doesnt matter, the Red Sox are going to make the playoffs anyway. Unless they get hit with more injuries that the ESPN media have been whining about for weeks on TV and radio.

  67. jmills June 29th, 2012 at 1:04 am

    Mariners win! My Jays need all the help they can get girl! :)

  68. jacksquat June 29th, 2012 at 1:12 am

    Bottom line, if Soriano is available he starts the 9th. No reason not to use Robertson the same way.

  69. CompassRosy June 29th, 2012 at 1:50 am

    ===========================
    CompassRosy June 28th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    I had originally planned to attend tonight’s game at The Safe…
    as Felix on the mound vs. Boston is usually a pretty good time BUT…
    when the much-rumored pitching match up 30 minutes south became official, I chose the once in a blue moon option. I’ll be seated behind home plate in Cheney Stadium in Tacoma to see the M’s 2011 first round draft choice Danny Hultzen make his AAA home debut (previously at AA Jackson) vs. none other than ex-Ancient Mariner …. Jamie Moyer (who is now pitching for the Las Vegas 51?s)

    So, in my absence, please cheer Felix on :)

    In fact, I’m hoping that a little mystique and aura will be channeled in a westerly direction from here for the next 4 days ;)

    =============================

    Clearly, I made a poor decision tonight.

    The “once in a blue moon” match up was a bit ho-hum…
    Jamie 5IP – 7H – 3ER – 1BB – 6K
    Danny 4IP – 3H – 1ER – 4BB – 6K
    the R’s lose 11-4

    Felix on the mound vs. Boston is usually a pretty good time

    Was THAT ever an understatement!

    GregJohnsMLB
    Wedge says that’s the best he’s ever seen Felix pitch after 13-K shutout performance in 1-0 win over Red Sox.

    Mariners
    VIDEO: John Jaso delivers his 7th GW RBI and 1st #WalkOff of the season. http://tinyurl.com/6ndxyg3

  70. roselora June 29th, 2012 at 5:44 am

    It’s a really great site you have here. Thank you for the effort to be so good for us (even though we don`t deserve it) and keep it up.
    Medium serieux

  71. raymagnetic June 29th, 2012 at 6:27 am

    If Robertson was going to pitch in the 9th anyway then you might as well bring him in to start the inning.

    But…..if Rapada does his job and gets the DP then Robertson doesn’t pitch anyway. With a 2 run lead in the 9th you have like a 90 something percent chance to win the game.

    However if Robertson is available you use him, period.

  72. blake June 29th, 2012 at 6:29 am

    Vintage King Felix last night ensures everyone in the east loses…..at least they didnt lose any ground last night.

  73. blake June 29th, 2012 at 6:34 am

    “But…..if Rapada does his job and gets the DP then Robertson doesn’t pitch anyway. With a 2 run lead in the 9th you have like a 9″

    Funny thing though….Girardi said Robertson was coming in the game anyway if Rapada had made the play…..so basically he was going to mix and match Robertson …..I agree with Chad…..you have to show mkre faith in a guy thats been as good as Robertson has been and if he was available he should have closed the game. If Robertson had started the inning and they lost then ok…..its just annoying when you lose wirhout your best out there……kinda like a pitcher getting beat with his 4th best pitch.

    Anyway….go Warren

  74. blake June 29th, 2012 at 6:45 am

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.c.....l#continue

    Pretty much what everyone has been saying…..problem is that Felix’s value isnt what it was…..

  75. MTU June 29th, 2012 at 6:45 am

    Blake-

    Vince made the comments not Chad.

    Chad rarely offers his own opinion.

    I kinda like what Vince did.

    Wish Chad would give that a try.

    And yeah. Go Warren. Give us at least 5 strong.

  76. MTU June 29th, 2012 at 6:47 am

    Blake-

    Too many miles on that arm.

    They could have scored a fortune if they would have traded him at his peak.

    Maybe a quality 5 for 1 deal.

    ;)

  77. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2012 at 7:01 am

    Good morning-

    The Good: Nova
    The Bad: 1 for 7 with RISP
    The Ugly:The 9th inning

  78. blake June 29th, 2012 at 7:02 am

    MTU,

    Oh yea….well whoever said it I agree.

    With Felix….they coukd still get a lot but not what they could have mostly because of how much money he makes…..his salary alone eliminates a lot of teams….and when you combine that with his velo being down etc…..it just reduces what he coukd bring……that said he certainly looked good last night and has been pitching better of late.

  79. tomingeorgia June 29th, 2012 at 7:02 am

    Morning, Mister MTU,
    Did you send us this 106 degree weather? Please, take it back.

  80. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2012 at 7:04 am

    While they were showing yesterdays Hope week events last night during the game, I noticed that Brett Gardner wasn’t wearing that restrictive brace. Good sign?

  81. MTU June 29th, 2012 at 7:10 am

    Good morning guys.

    Tom-

    Can’t the Military change the weather ?

    Maybe give them a call.

    How are you feeling ?

  82. tomingeorgia June 29th, 2012 at 7:14 am

    MTU,
    I don’t know if the military can change the weather, but the Ministry probably can. Got to go find my credentials.

  83. tomingeorgia June 29th, 2012 at 7:15 am

    MTU, feeling better, stronger every day. Thanks for asking.

  84. MTU June 29th, 2012 at 7:15 am

    Tom-

    I think they can.

    Check out their “HARP” project in Alaska.

    ;)

  85. blake June 29th, 2012 at 7:15 am

    It was 98 here in the mountains yesterday……not cool…literally

  86. MTU June 29th, 2012 at 7:16 am

    Mister Tom-

    Glad to hear it.

    You’re welcome.

    :)

  87. MTU June 29th, 2012 at 7:17 am

    Blake-

    Just get under the Falls @ Crabtree.

    ;)

  88. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2012 at 7:21 am

    Good day to stay indoors as much as possible.

    What would have happened, had the Yankees tied the game and gone into extras?

    Girardi clearly was looking for the homer to win it all in the 9th. Brings Andruw Jones in, hitting .216 for Stewart .261. Jones just stands there and watches strike 3 down the middle of the plate.

    Jeter now misses a homer to the short porch, when a double in the gap scores Wise to tie the game, or a single at least extends the inning.

    If it goes extras Martin, balky back and all is in, and now it’s, Wade, Igarashi and if it goes longer-Garcia again?

  89. MTU June 29th, 2012 at 7:22 am

    We should be able to mange a split with the WS.

    Warren will have butterflies the size of elephants tonight.

    Enough adrenaline for an army.

    Needs to get thru that 1st inning.

    Kid has the goods. Just needs to control his emotions and command it.

    Don’t nibble. Be aggressive.

    Good luck Adam.

  90. blake June 29th, 2012 at 7:23 am

    “The likelihood of Zack Greinke being dealt “probably is growing,” though the Brewers are still on the fringes on the NL Central race. Rosenthal doesn’t think the Brewers will be able to afford re-signing Greinke this winter and their best-case scenario if they do trade him would be to bring back a big prospect, as the Mets did last summer when they acquired Zack Wheeler from the Giants in exchange for Carlos Beltran.”

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com

    Yup….whoever steps up and gives a premium prospect will probably get him…..Will Texas give Perez or Olt….Braves Teheran or Minor? Tigers Jacob Turner?

  91. MTU June 29th, 2012 at 7:24 am

    YT-

    Aardsma and/or Mitchell will be able to help out.

    Joba not far behind.

    Our pen is the 2nd best in the AL.

    Not really a problem. Other things ? Yes.

    ;)

  92. blake June 29th, 2012 at 7:26 am

    MTU,

    Have to settle for the AC today …..

    I thought Jeter’s ball was gone…..reminded me of Game 5 last year when he hit one that fooled me as well……..Jones isnt doing much this year so far…..if the Yanks do trade for an outfielder at some point then Andrew migt be the one to go….

  93. MTU June 29th, 2012 at 7:27 am

    Blake-

    I don’t give up a Top prospect for a rental.

    If there is a negotiating window involved that’s another story.

    Greinke is very talented but I still think h is not a fit for the Big stage.

    He could easily put a contender over the top.

    Just won’t be us.

    What would you think of Victorino if the Phils make him available ?

  94. Villa Nova-Ya June 29th, 2012 at 7:29 am

    Morning -

    The worst thing about last night’s loss was Nova did such a terrific job and deserved a win. Other than that, these things occasionally happen because no one is perfect.

    On the one hand, the Yankees lost an opportunity to gain a game on everyone in their division, but on the positive side, they didn’t lose ground (if you’re going to lose, lose when everyone else does, too).

  95. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2012 at 7:31 am

    I heard Robertson say he would have preferred to start the inning, so maybe I was wrong to just accept Girardi’s explanation.

  96. MTU June 29th, 2012 at 7:31 am

    I’m not interested in seeing Martin return.

    For the money I think we can do better.

    Anyone else feel that way ?

  97. blake June 29th, 2012 at 7:32 am

    “What would you think of Victorino if the Phils make him available ?”

    I would check on him….especially if Gardnee cant come back. With Greinke…..no I wouldnt give a top player or more for a rental….but somebody will and Atlanta makes the most sense to me….I think they may do it if he will sign an extension

  98. MTU June 29th, 2012 at 7:33 am

    Blake-

    GGBG is a ?

  99. blake June 29th, 2012 at 7:34 am

    “For the money I think we can do better.”

    Depends on what the money is and Romine’s status……Id like to Martin to like a 2/14 deal or something to bridge to hopefully Sanchez….if he wants more than that Id let him go and make do…..

  100. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2012 at 7:34 am

    Not me MTU………

    ;)

  101. MTU June 29th, 2012 at 7:34 am

    Blake-

    Didn’t he already reject a 3/21 ?

  102. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2012 at 7:35 am

    No way I can justify paying Martin $7m in 2014, blake. I would rather give it to Hughes.

  103. MTU June 29th, 2012 at 7:36 am

    What’s happening Rich.

    :)

  104. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2012 at 7:36 am

    Blake-

    Brewers are 7 games out. I can’t endorse giving up what might have to include Nova or Hughes plus 1-2 prime prospects, plus another lower level prospect, a 4 for 1 deal.

    As you know there are many reasons not to sign a FA stud pitcher rental looking for a Cain type 5 year, $112.5M contract, or more.

  105. blake June 29th, 2012 at 7:37 am

    “GGBG is a ?”

    No clue….its a concern though…..if he cant return then abother outfielder becomes a necessity.

    Rich,

    I think a good bullpen manager made a bad decision last night…..we can say that he got the double play ball sure….but we could also say that the pressure of the 9th is why he threw it in to CF as well…..if your set up guy is available there then you close with him….especially one thats been as good as Robertson has been…..hopefully Girardi files that in the back of his mind and learns to not take wins for granted

  106. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2012 at 7:38 am

    GM, MTU. How are you?

  107. MTU June 29th, 2012 at 7:41 am

    Rich-

    I’m still vertical so that’s a plus.

    Havin’ a crapload of fun with my photo hobby.

    I’d ask you what you though of the big SC decision but I don’t want to get Political here.

    :)

  108. raymagnetic June 29th, 2012 at 7:42 am

    “Funny thing though….Girardi said Robertson was coming in the game anyway if Rapada had made the play…..so basically he was going to mix and match Robertson …..I agree with Chad…..you have to show mkre faith in a guy thats been as good as Robertson has been and if he was available he should have closed the game. If Robertson had started the inning and they lost then ok…..its just annoying when you lose wirhout your best out there……kinda like a pitcher getting beat with his 4th best pitch.”

    I agree with this.

  109. Villa Nova-Ya June 29th, 2012 at 7:44 am

    Yankee Trader -

    I was hoping that they either won (preferable, obviously) or lost in the bottom of the ninth. Extra innings, even if they ended up winning, would have been a horrendous situation right now.

    One of the things about the mixing and matching is that if extra innings do occur, the likelihood of running short of pitchers is greater.

  110. Gary June 29th, 2012 at 7:44 am

    Morning, not much you can say. There can and is alot of second guessing, perhaps done differently there might have been a different outcome. Basically it’s all about the execution, that’s what lost the game. Rapalla not executing a throw he has to make, and DRob putting a pitch in the guys wheelhouse. I don’t know how to see it any differently.

  111. MTU June 29th, 2012 at 7:44 am

    Rapada makes that throw and it’s game over.

    :(

  112. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2012 at 7:44 am

    Good to hear, MTU. I will take the pass and run with it. Have a good guys.

  113. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2012 at 7:45 am

    How does Shane Victorino help Atlanta? They already have FA Michael Born to worrry about resigning.

    MTU-

    I’m can’t agree more on Martin. Find one year stopgaps until Sanchez is ready, or Romine is back[back healthy]. Work on extending Cano and prepare for the possible loss of Granderson after 2013.

  114. MTU June 29th, 2012 at 7:49 am

    YT-

    I have learned to respect Pat M.’s predicitons.

    He said that there might be some very suprising shakeups in the OS.

    I believe he was referring to the OF.

    He even mentioned the possibility if trading Cano.

    On that one, I hope he is wrong.

    Swisher, GGBG, and/or Grandy might just disappear in a reconfiguration.

    If the flyin’ Hawiian is made available I’d look into it.

  115. blake June 29th, 2012 at 7:51 am

    “No way I can justify paying Martin $7m in 2014, blake. I would rather give it to Hughes.”

    well yea….but you do have to have somebody catch? Hughes would be a bigger comittment than 7 million…and for a lot more years. I’d be fine with just finding Chris Stewart’s to catch if Martin’s demands are too high and they’ll actually use the money saved to do something else….I expect them to re-sign Martin though so I’m mentally preparing myself for it.

    “Brewers are 7 games out. I can’t endorse giving up what might have to include Nova or Hughes plus 1-2 prime prospects, plus another lower level prospect, a 4 for 1 deal”

    me neither but I don’t think he’ll cost that….I would guess one premium prospect plus maybe some filler ….4 for 1 deals are for Gio Gonzalez’s with 4 years of team control….not 3 month rentals. That said I probably wouldn’t give the premium prospect either…..but somebody will I guarantee it….

  116. Villa Nova-Ya June 29th, 2012 at 7:51 am

    Rich in NJ -

    The only thing with what Robertson said is I can’t imagine any pitcher who usually is brought in at the beginning of an inning to say he’d prefer it otherwise.

    I was surprised though that he gave his actual opinion, and didn’t say something like, “whatever the manager does is fine with me.”

    But I think it’s a non-starter that he said he preferred to be brought into a clean inning. That only makes sense to me. You don’t have someone else’s mess to fix and you have a lot more leeway.

    However, it seems like Girardi planned to bring him in with 2 out and no one on. If Rapada had gotten one out, it would have been one on and one out. Either of those would have afforded Robertson a lot more leeway than 2 on and no one out.

    Not knowing everything that’s going on, I would have thought you bring DRob in clean, too. But apparently, even though Robertson says he fine (what player ever says he isn’t?), Girardi is clearly going to go slowly with him and didn’t want him to pitch an entire inning (which he ended up having to do anyway, really). But Rapada, as he said, did his job as a pitcher, but then didn’t field his position well. If he does, we’re all very happy campers (or mostly happy campers, because some are just never happy).

    I mean, you’d also think that today all relievers have to be available since no one knows what to expect out of Warren. He could go all the way (doubtful) to just a couple of innings, but even if he does what most people hope for (5 innngs), that’s 4 innings for the bullpen. Gotta hope the Yankees bring their bats tonight.

  117. blake June 29th, 2012 at 7:52 am

    “How does Shane Victorino help Atlanta? They already have FA Michael Born to worrry about resigning.”

    he doesn’t….he’d help the Yankees though especially if Gardner can’t come back strong….

  118. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2012 at 7:53 am

    I just saw Rapada’s throw to center field, to Jeters far right. He threw that side-armed. Can’t he throw overhand?

  119. Bronx Jeers June 29th, 2012 at 7:54 am

    Wake up Adam Warren. Your life is calling.

  120. blake June 29th, 2012 at 7:54 am

    You are going to have some death by bullpen games over a 162 game season…..that’s inevitable….the Braves lost last night because Kimbrel gave up a homer…..but as I said earlier I can live with it much better if you lose with your best out there……I don’t like losing a game with the last 2 guys in your bullpen in the 9th inning…..it’s one thing if it’s the 15th inning or if your top guys aren’t available…..

  121. blake June 29th, 2012 at 7:55 am

    Rapada looked tentative catching the ball and then he looked tentative throwing it…..pressure…

  122. Villa Nova-Ya June 29th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    blake-

    I don’t think this was about lack of faith in Robertson, I really don’t. I do think think there’s hesitation because of the recent injury – I don’t think he’s all the way back yet, but close. Perhaps if Rapada makes that throw, DRob comes in and throws may 10 pitches for the last out and maybe he’s available today?

    Certainly he is not available today now, though.

    I do think Girardi needs to sit down with DRob and be frank with him about his being cautious, because apparently DRob was not aware of this.

  123. blake June 29th, 2012 at 7:57 am

    I was hoping for 3 of 4 in this series at home and with them missing Sale…..but given everything thats happened in the last 48 hours I’d take a 2-2 split and run with it.

  124. blake June 29th, 2012 at 7:58 am

    “I don’t think this was about lack of faith in Robertson, I really don’t. I do think think there’s hesitation because of the recent injury – I don’t think he’s all the way back yet, but close. ”

    I don’t either…..I think it was about Joe trying to steal a game because he’s concerned about Robertson…..but if he’s concerned about him then he shouldn’t have pitched him at all.

  125. Villa Nova-Ya June 29th, 2012 at 7:58 am

    blake -

    ANd the Yankees bullpen as a whole has been amazing and they have been asked to go outside their usual roles a lot since Mo went down. Perhaps, Girardi thought he could push it just one more little tick. it didn’t work last night. But with Rapada, it wasn’t the pitch, it was the aftermath.

    I hate pitchers throwing to second base anyway. Seems to go wrong more often than not, but that might be because every time it goes wrong it’s pretty memorable, while when they get it done it’s just filed away. ;)

  126. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    Blake-

    What would be your plan with Victorino after this season? Resign him, then explore trading Gardner, Granderson, while still looking for a RF if Swisher not offered a contract?

    Have him take over CF with Granderson moving to right? Now you have another light hitter in Gardner in left.

    Plus what players are the Phillies going to get for their table setter?

  127. MTU June 29th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    Victorino makes 9.5 this year.

    He’s in his early 30′s.

    Around a .275, 10-15 homer guy.

    Still cover a lot of ground in the OF.

    Steals bags.

    What would Philly ask for him ?

  128. Villa Nova-Ya June 29th, 2012 at 8:00 am

    blake -

    Is there room for “a little concerned?” :)

    Anyway, yeah, the guy ended up throwing a full inning anyway. One time I think Girardi was thinking too much with his bullpen. It happens. Thankfully not that often.

  129. blake June 29th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    “One time I think Girardi was thinking too much with his bullpen. It happens. Thankfully not that often.”

    No I really can’t say much about Girardi and bullpens because more often than not he’s great and a lot of managers are just awful…..I watch a lot of Braves games and believe me….you would not want Freddy Gonzalez as your manager……

    “What would be your plan with Victorino after this season? ”

    let him walk

  130. MTU June 29th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    “let him walk”

    Or re-up him as a replacement for one of our other OF’er’s.

    If he does well offer him a 2-3 year deal.

    He’ll be cheaper than Swisher. Less power but a better defender.

    He should hit for higher avg. than Swish.

    Victorino is also a switch-hitter. I forgot to mention that.

    He can play any of the OF spots.

  131. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Villa-

    “Is there room for a little concerned?”

    I’m more than a “little concerned” as it pertains to the bullpen. I’m getting worse at holding my breath when most of them come in, except for Logan and DRob. I nearly passed out in the 9th!!

    From now to the end of July the Yankees face all their division rivals, and this could well determine if the Yankees can create more breathing room awaiting for Gardner, Aardsma, Joba, all three that hopefully will be 100% and effective.

  132. Villa Nova-Ya June 29th, 2012 at 8:17 am

    Yankee Trader -

    They’ve really been doing a decent job more than most of the time. But I get where you’re coming from.

    When Andy went down the other day, the first thing Joe did was a mix-and-match, and I thought, but there’s “this many” innings left! What if you run out of pitchers? What if the game goes into extra innings?

    The cure for all of it would be for the Yankees to start mashing and winning some real run-away games. But most of the time when they win a game like that, it seems like they can’t buy a run the next day. So, 5 runs a night seems sustainable, and winnable most nights. I can hope for that realistically. (5 runs would ahve won last night.)

  133. yankee21 June 29th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    Girardi’s best attributes are his BP management, but last night he had a bad game. If he intended to limit or not use Robertson he should have extended Boone beyond just facing Dunn. I know Konerko is a real good stick but Boone is capable of getting him out. Taking him out propelled Joe G to mix and match and heighten the risk of at least one guy screwing up, in this case Rapada not by a pitch but by a play.

    The Yankees need a bat, how long are they going to stay patient with A. Jones?

  134. Benny Blanco June 29th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    If the yankees don’t go after greinke Texas will. Every year they go for it.

  135. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2012 at 8:20 am

    MTU-
    I’d be concerned about trading for any free agents, unless they might be looking for a one year contract to re-establish their worth. Reason-The Yankees will be outbid for any quality FA on the market in the years to come because they have the 2014 CBA LT “MANDATE” staring them in the face, with all the incentives that come with it , if they behave! :)

  136. MTU June 29th, 2012 at 8:20 am

    Off to create some pupdemonium.

    Back later.

  137. Villa Nova-Ya June 29th, 2012 at 8:22 am

    A. Jones is driving me nuts.

  138. blake June 29th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    “Or re-up him as a replacement for one of our other OF’er’s.”

    yea depends on what he’d ask for…..Victorino is a good player and he might be cheaper than Swisher but I wouldn’t count on that especailly if some team wants him as a CFer.

    “If the yankees don’t go after greinke Texas will. Every year they go for it.”

    Texas, Atlanta, Detroit, mystery team. I hope Atlanta goes after him…..I think they might if they think he’ll sign.

  139. austinmac June 29th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    Tom,

    We sent you the 106 degrees. It is a coolish 96 here today. Brrr.

  140. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    Yankee21-

    Good point about bringing in a righty to face Konerko, who has been in a slump lately. He’s hitting righties for a .349 BA, .276 vs lefties. Why not use Logan and let him stay in?

  141. blake June 29th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    “A. Jones is driving me nuts”

    yea he’s not giving them a whole lot….at the moment if they do make a deal for an outfielder you’d have to think Andrew would be the odd man out.

  142. blake June 29th, 2012 at 8:30 am

    I think if Nova had pitched better to Dunn throughout the game then Joe might have stuck with him the rest of the inning….but Nova just looked tentative throwing to him….pretty much was behind him the whole game and I’m sure he was afraid he’d make a mistake…..

  143. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    I hope all these ACE pitchers that could be traded by the deadline-Hamels, Greinke, Garza, Dempster-get traded to NL teams!

  144. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    Blake-

    If the Yankees make a deal for another OF’er, especially if they can steal a base, Wise is probably released. Jones is Cano’s best friend.

  145. sunny615 June 29th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    Girardi is an idiot – and should have that binder burned in a big pyre.

  146. JMZ June 29th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Cano’s previous best friend is in San Francisco now, so I wouldn’t put too much stock in that.

  147. Shame Spencer June 29th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    Rich in NJ June 28th, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    “Drob should’ve started a clean inning. End of story.”

    If his velo is in fact down, I get handling carefully.

    —————————–

    I didn’t realize this.. is this true?

  148. blake June 29th, 2012 at 8:50 am

    “Jones is Cano’s best friend”

    yea so was Melky. Wise is producing more than Andrew at the moment and can do more things…..they can send Wise back to AAA as well I think.

  149. 86w183 June 29th, 2012 at 8:53 am

    I was yelling at Joe thru the TV when Robertson didn’t start the ninth. Then I yelled at Rapada. Then I yelled @ Robertson. Bad endning to a good night.

    Andruw Jones is really serving no purpose right now. Has 60 % more K (37) than hits (22).

    Aardsma hasn’t pitched for a couple of days. Don’t know if he had a setback. Sure hope not.

  150. Villa Nova-Ya June 29th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    Shame-

    Girardi said it in his postgame, plus Curry and Lorenz noted that the FB that was hit for the HR last night was only 90 mph.

  151. Villa Nova-Ya June 29th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    86w183 -

    That Jones looked at that third strike down the middle last night made me furious. I don’t get it. Only at bat of the night. Game on the line. If it’s not what you expected, do you not have the talent to foul it off, at least??????

    And this happens with him too often to say, well, “it happens.” It sure DOES happen.

    I know it took him a looooooong time to get going last season, but they sort of explained that by way of the knees, and he had the knees taken care of during the off season, and I thought he also had worked to improve overall in the off-season, and I do recall him saying during spring training that he felt good and that his goal was to force the Yankees to play him everyday. So far, he hasn’t forced anythng.

  152. Shame Spencer June 29th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Villa – Like Chip said I’m probably only noticing it with the Yankees because this is the only team I closely follow but it worries me to see so many of our pitchers battling velo issues. CC being the biggest surprise.

  153. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    The Yankees should have used Igarashi in the 9th. Why? The hitters should have scored more runs off Axelrod their current sub as #5 starter. They were 1 for 7 with RISP.

  154. blake June 29th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    “The hitters should have scored more runs off Axelrod their current sub as #5 starter. They were 1 for 7 with RISP”

    yea they should have….lot of reasons for the loss….hopefully they can bounce back today

  155. Villa Nova-Ya June 29th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    I know – I don’t pay enough attention to other teams to know all the particulars and make comparisons.

    Robertson’s issues I would guess would stem from the layoff from the injury. I think they always come back just a tad too soon (understandably, though), and I think it does take a while to rebuild all the strength someone had prior to an injury. So I am not very worried about Robertson going forward.

    I didn’t think CC had velo issues, but command issues with is fastball. Don’t know what that’s about. I always figure nothing’s perfect and human beings are going to fluctuate from time to time for whatever reason.

    Other than those two, I think Hughes and Nova have done really well, Hughes velo is up, I think, overall, from last season. Kuroda seems to have found his mojo (and he’s not a power pitcher), and even Freddies’ velo has ticked up since the beginning of hte season.

    One thing I have noticed though is the rash of injuries to pitchers across baseball. That’s hard to miss. Maybe it’s something in the air. It seems more than usual. I wonder if overall there’s far too much significance placed on velocity, forcing pitchers to overthrow? Maybe take away the darn radar guns and let the guys pitch without worrying how fast. It’s about location and movement, isn’t it, most of the time?

    Or, if they don’t want to take away the radar guns altogether, how about not posting the speeds in the stadiums?

  156. Villa Nova-Ya June 29th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    yankee Trader -

    They hit a ton of balls hard off Axelrod early, but right at people. :(

  157. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    My comment about keeping Jones because he is Cano’s best friend was a lowly try to conjure up some humor. It was clear to me that Jones, hitting .216, was pinch-hitting for Stewart .261 to try and hit the homerun, because using Martin in extras would have been foolish.Jones cannot and never could hit off speed stuff. The pitcher grooved a fastball right down the middle and he just stood there smiling!

  158. RS June 29th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    The loss hurts a little less because every other AL East team lost. Of course, there was a prime opportunity to build our lead in the division

  159. Villa Nova-Ya June 29th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Yankee Trader,

    At least if he had hit the ball, whether he flew out, lined out, fouled it off, it would have been 100 times better than what he did. How does a FB hitter look at a FB down the middle?

    It’s funny, I’m not all that upset about the loss. But that one at-bat just sticks in my craw. I mean DRob grooves a FB, and it’s gone for a 3-run dinger. Sigh. SMH.

  160. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    The loss does hurt a little less, but the quality of the bullpen over the last few days, and for Wade, the entire month, are a cause for concern.

  161. blake June 29th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    “I didn’t think CC had velo issues, but command issues with is fastball. Don’t know what that’s about”

    his velocity is down a little under 2 mph according to fangraphs….but his K rate is the best of his career so go figure. I think he’ll be fine.

  162. Chip June 29th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    Bullpen’s been solid – but everyone’s entitled to go through a rough patch. Not going to get into a twist over the loss.

    Saw that Thome is being made available. Absolutely interested in him as a DH with Gardner out. And if Brett comes back he’s a tremendous upgrade over Ibanez there too.

  163. Villa Nova-Ya June 29th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    The Yankees really needs some days where the hitting gives the bullpen some relief. Lots of close games where the bullpen is needed. Not much you can do about that.

    And not having Mo, while they’ve really really stepped up, is felt when you see how many more pitchers are needed to finish up a game. Because the bullpen was built (having hte specialists) with Mo as the endpoint. They are one pitcher short (even though they have the # of pitchers they usually carry).

  164. blake June 29th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Nova gave up a ton of hard hit balls yesterday as well right at people especially earlier in the game…..line drive double play to Cano…Granderson caught a bunch of balls on the track etc…..maybe things balanced out in the 9th. I’m ready to see Warren pitch….keep De Aza off the bases, make good pitches to Dunn and Konerko is the key.

  165. Villa Nova-Ya June 29th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    blake -

    I didn’t know that. But as I said, if the guy is locating, and “pitching,” the velocity isn’t as much a concern. Probably.

  166. austinmac June 29th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    With Utley back, Howard beginning rehab and hopes for Halladay’s return, I would be very surprised to see the Phils selling anyone. They have bet the farm on this year and next. Amaro will be hard pressed to now sell the farm at reduced rates.

    Whether the Yanks add a pitcher will entirely depend on how the pitchers do over the next month.Can either Warren or Garcia be the number 5 when CC returns? Will Hughes continue to pitch well with velocity? In any event, I don’t see them giving up a lot for a rental. At least, I hope not.

    If they give up usable chips, it must, in my view, be for someone who helps longer term. They would not re-sign Hamels, Greinke or any other costly free agent. Heavens no, they can’t afford it.

  167. blake June 29th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    I don’t think the Yanks would swap Ibanez for Thome because Thome can’t “play the outfield”….Ibanez isn’t a good outfielder but he has filled in admirably out there and making that move would decrease their flexibility.

    Ibanez would do ok if he were able to play the role he was supposed to play….DH only against RHP only…..he’s had to do a lot more than that.

  168. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Villa-

    Dayan Viciedo is a good hitter and I believe they said at one point he was a pitcher in Cuba, so he probably has a better idea on what a pitcher will throw in certain counts. Andruw, “what me worry” Jones needs to step it up or he might be joining Vlad Guerrero on the sidelines.

  169. Chip June 29th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    austinmac June 29th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    With Utley back, Howard beginning rehab and hopes for Halladay’s return, I would be very surprised to see the Phils selling anyone. They have bet the farm on this year and next. Amaro will be hard pressed to now sell the farm at reduced rates.
    —————————

    According to hardball talk the Phillies are looking to move Thome because he’s physically unable to play first base any more and so with interleague over they are reduced to using him as a pinch hitter – a role in which he is not happy with and has not been successful in this year.

  170. blake June 29th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    “I didn’t know that. But as I said, if the guy is locating, and “pitching,” the velocity isn’t as much a concern”

    yea…but you can make more mistakes at 94 than you can at 92.

  171. Chip June 29th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    blake June 29th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    I don’t think the Yanks would swap Ibanez for Thome because Thome can’t “play the outfield”….Ibanez isn’t a good outfielder but he has filled in admirably out there and making that move would decrease their flexibility.
    ——————

    With Gardner out it would be more like using Thome over resting guys at the DH spot with Ibanez playing in LF. Of course the issue becomes at that point who do you delete from the major league roster for him? It would have to be Wise with Nix taking his place as a defensive replacement for Ibanez late in games.

  172. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Chip-

    I agree with Blake on Thome, who raarely gets an ab now with interleague done. If they were to go that route, just bring up Russell Branyan who is armed and dangerous.

  173. RS June 29th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    The Yankees are really missing an Aceves type pitcher. I’m not saying I wish they had him right now, just someone like his 2009 version.

    That pitcher could have saved last night’s game with a full 9th inning. He could also come in in the 7th inning and take it straight to the 9th, so that Logan/Rapada/Eppley could give it a rest for a day.

    Although mixing and matching has worked so far for Girardi, it’s always, always risky to rely on 3+ relievers every day. Having one guy who can pitch a full inning or more in any situation takes a lot of the pressure off the other guys to have to be perfect.

  174. blake June 29th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    If I’m Amaro then I’m trading Hamels and Victorino for as much as I can get for them and then you can re-sign them this winter if you want to…..they might could get it together and sneak in to a Wild card spot but they are currently 11 games back in the loss column in that division and 7 games back in the LC for a wild card spot…..they have a bunch of teams to jump…..at some point he has to think about restocking that system.

  175. Chip June 29th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    Yankee Trader June 29th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Chip-

    I agree with Blake on Thome, who raarely gets an ab now with interleague done. If they were to go that route, just bring up Russell Branyan who is armed and dangerous.
    —————————-

    Thome > Branyan

  176. Chip June 29th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Moving off the trade talk for a minute – does anyone else find it odd listening to O’Neill and Pinella laugh and joke together on the air? I mean these two loathed each other going back to when Lou decided Paul wasn’t anything more than a platoon player and then when Lou moved over to Seattle and used to bring in Norm Charlton to brush O’Neill off the plate whenever they played.

  177. blake June 29th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    “With Gardner out it would be more like using Thome over resting guys at the DH spot with Ibanez playing in LF.”

    if Gardner doesn’t come back I think they’ll have to trade for an outfielder.

  178. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    Daniel Hudson will likely need Tommy John surgery, Joe Saunders remains on the disabled list with a shoulder injury, and Trevor Bauer has completed all of four innings at the MLB level, but the Diamondbacks say they aren’t currently looking for pitching reinforcements.

    “I think we feel like we’ve got enough depth,” general manager Kevin Towers told Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic. “We actually considered even moving some of our depth. It’s probably a good thing we didn’t, for this very reason.”

    Geez, just when Towers might have been so moved to deal Justin Upton for pitching our lefties are out of commission. Maybe after seeing Warren pitch great, when CC comes back theYankees can swing a deal for Upton……………………….or not :(

  179. blake June 29th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    if no Gardner then I’d rather add somebody to play LF and move Ibanez to DH full time than play Ibanez in LF and trade for Thome to DH…..

  180. Villa Nova-Ya June 29th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    Chip -

    I really didn’t known that history, but it’s possible they’ve moved on, right?

  181. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    I noticed Gardner was not wearing his brace yesterday during the Hope session.

  182. Chip June 29th, 2012 at 9:41 am

    blake June 29th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    “With Gardner out it would be more like using Thome over resting guys at the DH spot with Ibanez playing in LF.”

    if Gardner doesn’t come back I think they’ll have to trade for an outfielder.
    ———————

    That’s probably true. But if they feel like Ibanez isn’t costing them any games in LF then they might go for a guy like Thome who would cost less and bring more to the table than say a guy like DeJesus (just throwing out the name of an OF likely to be available at the deadline)

  183. Chip June 29th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Villa Nova-Ya June 29th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    Chip -

    I really didn’t known that history, but it’s possible they’ve moved on, right?
    —————-

    Probably – I just can’t help but think how odd it is – kind of like every time I saw Roger Clemens or Darryl Strawberry in pinstripes.

  184. Shame Spencer June 29th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Villa Nova-Ya June 29th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    The Yankees really needs some days where the hitting gives the bullpen some relief.

    ——————

    How crazy is it that this is what we need when our starters have been giving us so much length..?!

  185. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    August 30th 1996 NY Times article about Pinell vs O’Neill:

    http://www.nytimes.com/1996/08.....tml?src=pm

  186. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    *Pinella*

    Have a great day everyone. Until later. Enjoy the article! :)

  187. Shame Spencer June 29th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Pinella sounds like Peter Griffin. I noticed it last night when I heard him talking and it took me a second to realize Seth McFarland wasn’t just promoting his new movie.

  188. Shame Spencer June 29th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    blake June 29th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    if no Gardner then I’d rather add somebody to play LF and move Ibanez to DH full time than play Ibanez in LF and trade for Thome to DH…..

    —————

    Exactly. The last thing we need on our bench is another one dimensional player. Signing someone to DH is the least of our problems at this point. You need someone that brings some type of skill to the table that we’re lacking (ie: good defense, speed).

  189. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    *Piniella* not Pinell, Pinella or Pinhead

  190. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Shame-

    O’Neill sounds just like Woody Harrelson. Now really have to leave. Enjoy the day and stay cool.

  191. 86w183 June 29th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Chip —

    I was thinking the same thing about O’Neill and Pinella.

    I also can’t stand Lou on the air. He seems to just blurt out things when they come to mind like grandpa half asleep over in the corner.

    Adding Thome is senseless. He can only do one thing. The last thing the Yankees need is to get older, less athletic and less versatile.

  192. longtimefan June 29th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    Bottom line is Girardi is a spinner, or to be more blunt a liar. He screwed up but will never admit it–one of his weak points, he is an average manager with a good team that will probably make the post season but not because of him. No matter how you spin it Robertson should have started the 9th, Girardi and his creative managaging are the reason the yankees lost last night.

  193. longtimefan June 29th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    As for Robertson, he is a great set up guy but one look at his face and body langauge tells you he is not a closer, looks like he is going to cry when things go south–I personally do not like Soriano, although I don’t think his stuff is as good as DRob, he seems to be more mentally suited for the closer role. I guess I am a spoiled yankee fan because of Mo, the greatest, classiest closer of all time

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