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Warren’s debut a dud

Posted by: vmercogliano - Posted in Misc on Jun 29, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Round one of the auditions to fill the two vacant rotation spots left by injured pitchers CC Sabathia (left groin) and Andy Pettitte (left fibula) did not produce favorable results for the Yankees on Friday night. Rookie Adam Warren couldn’t make it out of the third inning in his major league debut, as the Chicago White Sox outslugged the Yankees in a 14-7 win.

The 24-year-old right-hander was hit hard by the White Sox, allowing six runs on eight hits while walking two and only striking out one in 2 1/3 innings. A.J. Pierzynski and Paul Konerko each homered off of Warren, who might not get a chance to start for the Yankees again anytime soon.

The Yankees gave Warren plenty of cushion to begin the game, as Derek Jeter’s leadoff double was followed by Curtis Granderson’s team-leading 22nd homer of the season. The hit was the 3,185th of Jeter’s career, as he passed Cal Ripken Jr. for 13th all-time.

Andruw Jones added a two-run double later in the inning, giving the Yankees a 4-0 lead going into the second. That’s when things began to unravel for Warren and the Yankees.

David Phelps gave the Yankees 3 1/3 innings in relief, allowing two runs on four hits while striking out five. It looks like he may get the start over Warren the next time around.

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47 Responses to “Warren’s debut a dud”

  1. Tarheel In NYC June 29th, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    luis June 29th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
    jr1212 June 29th, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    luis,

    After CC, Nova is my favorite pitcher to watch. Not only for the stuff but the presence he has on the mound.

    ======================

    Yup…The kid has moxie…

    ============================================================

    He sure does! Remember this? I loved it when Bautista puffed out his chest and barked at the rookie…and the rookie barked right back :)

    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play……d=11294919

  2. luis June 29th, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    Tarheel,

    Yeah!! That’s the day i said that this kid was keeper

  3. Tarheel In NYC June 29th, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    Luis,

    And you were right, sir! ;)

  4. pat June 29th, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    DeWayne Wise’s wife tweeted he should have been brought in to start the inning… :wink:

  5. RSM June 29th, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    New bullpen pecking order:
    DRob 7th inning,
    Wise 8th inning,
    Sori 9th.

  6. Hassey June 29th, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    Ty Clippard looks like one of the Hanson Brothers

  7. Wang IS Taiwan June 29th, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    Repost:

    Melk Man June 29th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
    The mixing and matching is blowing guys’ arms out too because they are pitching everyday…….

    ~~~~~~~~~~

    This is a major issue. Pitching to one or two guys isn’t like “getting the day off”…

  8. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    Really tough break for Cards Chris Carpenter.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl…..757673-996

    On another front, “Zona’s Aaron Hill has hit fo the cycle for the 2nd time this year. Last time somebody did that twice in a year was back in the early 1930s, Babe Herman.

  9. luis June 29th, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    tarheel,

    To be honest, the starts that I look up for the most are Nova’s. I do think that he has front line starter written all over him

  10. Villa Nova-Ya June 29th, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    Pat

    Very funny!!

  11. Jerkface June 29th, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    his is a major issue. Pitching to one or two guys isn’t like “getting the day off”…

    But they are also getting days off. Here is rapada’s days of rest and pitches thrown for the past 10 outings

    0 5
    0 19
    2 13
    0 5
    3 20
    1 9
    0 5
    1 14
    1 7
    0 3

    Wade

    0 13
    4 16
    1 14
    0 21
    0 4
    4 14
    3 20
    1 20
    1 14
    1 21

    Eppley

    5 3
    0 8
    2 8
    1 10
    1 8
    0 23
    3 17
    1 6
    0 7
    3 5
    0 7

    They aren’t throwing a lot of pitches and they are getting days off. They are being used like a normal bullpen. A problem is that 2 of them are very short match up guys, and a reliance on the bullpen to cover 2 missing starters WILL tax them and their performance will suffer.

  12. Tarheel In NYC June 29th, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    Luis,

    I get really excited about his starts, too. IMHO, he could be the future anchor of the Yankees’ SP staff as long as no one gets crazy and trades him away—and as long as he stays healthy, of course (knocking on wood).

  13. Ys Guy June 29th, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    i hate to say i saw this coming, but i was way underwhelmed by warren’s #’s and i suspected this was going to happen. oh well, you move on and you change plans for the next time that rotation spot comes up…

  14. Yank1 June 29th, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    “This is a major issue. Pitching to one or two guys isn’t like “getting the day off”…”

    Their usage rates are not very high though, probably about normal. Wade going into the tank has really hurt them. They lost a very useful arm while pushing guys into positions they are not effective in. They also are playing a lot of close games and are putting all their guys in high leverage situations often. Aside from that 1st Cleveland game, I don’t think they’ve pitched in a low leverage game in a while.

    First 2 Chi Sox games were close. 2\3 Cleveland games were close. All 3 Mets and Braves games were close. 2\3 Nationals games were close. All 3 games in Atlanta were close, 2\3 Mets games at NYS were close, etc. They need a nice week of blowouts (wins or losses) so that they can start to get guys some rest and confidence.

  15. luis June 29th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    Tarheel,

    Knocking on wood as well ;)

    Phelps did a good job as well considering the circumstances. Hopefully he gets the nod for the next turn.

  16. Ys Guy June 29th, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    “On another front, “Zona’s Aaron Hill has hit fo the cycle for the 2nd time this year. Last time somebody did that twice in a year was back in the early 1930s, Babe Herman.”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    is there anything more overrated and irrelevant than ‘the cycle?’
    i’d much rather have my guy hit two homers a trip and a double.
    its just a 4 hit game with the anomaly that he had each kind of hit.

  17. Yank1 June 29th, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    “i hate to say i saw this coming, but i was way underwhelmed by warren’s #’s and i suspected this was going to happen. oh well, you move on and you change plans for the next time that rotation spot comes up…”

    He gave up 99 hits in 82 innings in AAA with a 3.86 ERA. Doesn’t throw hard, miss bats, and doesn’t have consistency in his pitch selection either. I never saw the fascination with him. Or Mitchell for that matter. Phelps, eh, don’t think much of him either as far as being a workable starter in the AL East, but he deserves the shot at least because of his polish.

  18. luis June 29th, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    Hopefully the blowouts are ours…If not we are going to see Wise pitching more often :D

  19. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    Sorry, but, you don’t pull the plug on a player just because the first time out of the barn was a failure.

  20. luis June 29th, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    Yank1

    Mitchell has nasty off speed stuff and a very good sinker with lots of movement…That’s a very good combination, the problem is when he doesn’t control his FB…

    Phelps is a very good back of the rotation starter…He knows how to pitch….Has a good repertoire of pitches..He gets MLB hitters out…He struck out 5 hitters in 3 and third tonight…

  21. Ys Guy June 29th, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    you wanna bet gb?

  22. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    Doing something for the first time in more than 80 years isn’t over rated or irrelevant.

  23. luis June 29th, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    GB7,

    I agree wholeheartedly. But i think he still has ways to go before he is ready for prime time. From what i saw in ST, the pecking order IMO should be like this Phelps, Mitchell and then Warren. Tonight just convinced me that he is not yet ready.

  24. Ys Guy June 29th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    how many times has a guy gotten the cycle by not trying to take 3rd base or 2nd base just so they could get ‘the cycle?’ i’ve seen it several times.

    its a statistical freak and like i said, ill take 2 homers and 2 doubles any day.

  25. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    Warren’s stuff is more than good enough. Like most other pitchers, it’s just not good enough to throw over the center of the plate. I can name a ton of good ML pitchers that bombed the first time out.

  26. We Want Mo Mo June 29th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    Since GB7 has been a failure for multiple years out of the barn, can we exterminate him?

  27. Ys Guy June 29th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    ill be shocked if they let warren start the next time around. if he was promoted because his minor league #’s demanded the chance to start in the majors, that’s one thing, but this was a guy who’s aaa #’s indicated he probably wasn’t going to do too well but they gave him a shot because he lined up best for the slot that came open. now they can get phelps lined up for the next time around and he’s shown in his major league work that he can hold his own.

  28. luis June 29th, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    GB,

    He has a very good CU that he doesn’t use that much. The slider and the CB are not bad at all. But the pitch i liked the most is the CU, even though he didn’t use it much. His FB is good, but i was expecting a little more command. In any case, it’s not easy to debut in a higher level.

  29. rm June 29th, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    I think I was wrong Wade may indeed have an option left. From RAB in January:

    Aside: I don’t know for sure because this stuff is next to impossible to confirm, but it appears as though Wade has a minor league option remaining. If so, he can go to the minors without a hitch next year. Hooray for flexibility.

  30. Ys Guy June 29th, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    ‘stuff’ is great but a 1.46 whip and 10.3 hits per 9 innings in aaa doesnt indicate a guy can get enough people out to be promoted. they gave him a shot and he go burned. they have no reason to give him another shot now that they can line phelps up to work that slot.

  31. luis June 29th, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    Y’s

    According to most experts, Warren has the best pure stuff of the three (Phelps, Mitchell and him). My personal view is that Mitchell has the best stuff, but Phelps is far more polished than the other two.

  32. Jerkface June 29th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    If you examined his history and knew the option rules you’d know he had atleast 1 if not 2 left :)

  33. pat June 29th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    Sox making Safeco look small this inning.

  34. luis June 29th, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    Y’s

    I agree that he needs to work on how to change speeds and eye level. He is not ready. But that doesn’t mean that he can’t do it or that his career is over after 2 1/3 innings.

  35. Ys Guy June 29th, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    o believe me, im not giving up on warren in the long run. my point was only that at this point, he got promoted because he fit the slot, not because he was burning aaa batters. now they have better options for the next time that slot comes up.

    long-term this means almost nothing for warren and hopefully he takes some motivation out of his mlb debut.

    i just dont see any way he starts next time around, barring another injury.

  36. luis June 29th, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    Agreed Phelps should start next turn

  37. Pat M. June 29th, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    Option or no option, call Wade a cab so he can get out of town

  38. luis June 29th, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    Branyan left the game in the 8th tonight…Is he going to be called up?

  39. Jerzz June 29th, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    Mitchell has a 5.36 ERA in AAA

    How is it that all these guys have such great scouting reports with mediocre results to match?

  40. Ys Guy June 29th, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    i LOVE hearing the organ in the background of the dodger’s game. so sick of the pumped in noise. (and especially the ‘make some noise’ prompts…)

  41. luis June 29th, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    Jerzz,

    As far as I know…He has tremendous off speed offerings and some sick movement on the FB, the problem is that he lacks control of the FB.

  42. luis June 29th, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    YF, JAP and GB could give better assessments on Mitchell

  43. Niblick June 29th, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    Wade’s ERA since May 11: 9.68. That’s over a period of 44 games, or over one quarter of the season. He’s either hurt or burnt out. In either case, he’s of no use to the Yankees.

  44. Pat M. June 29th, 2012 at 11:37 pm

    I wonder what Jerkface considers ” recently ” ????

  45. Jerkface June 29th, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    I wonder what Jerkface considers ” recently ” ????

    Past 2 months. He deserves to be optioned, not DFA’D. He was good for the Yankees for a season and some change.

  46. austinmac June 30th, 2012 at 1:08 am

    Cook pitched a complete game 2 hitter on 81 pitches. Greg Maddux numbers.

  47. Wang IS Taiwan June 30th, 2012 at 3:09 am

    Sorry to drop out of the convo on relief pitching — had a wedding earlier this morning and had to dash.

    Appreciate the responses/stats Jerkface and Yank1.

    I’m sad to say that Wade is probaby not going to be pitching with the Yanks much longer — if he is, then you know we’ve got real problems and no options. He’s been bad for quite a while now.


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