Reggie sounds off on PEDs and the Hall of Fame
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 05, 2012 
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Sports Illustrated’s annual “Where Are They Now?” issue includes a feature story about Reggie Jackson, and this may shock you, but Jackson included some of his controversial opinions in his interview with writer Phil Taylor. The issue hits newsstands this week, and Sports Illustrated passed along some of the comments from Mr. October.
Jackson’s stance on undeserving members of the Hall of Fame, an issue he plans to bring up at the next members-only dinner in Cooperstown:
“I didn’t see Kirby Puckett as a Hall of Famer. I didn’t see Gary Carter as a Hall of Famer. I didn’t see Don Sutton as a Hall of Famer. I didn’t see Phil Niekro as a Hall of Famer. As much as I like Jim Rice, I’m not so sure he’s a Hall of Famer.”
On whether Bert Blyleven should have been elected into the Hall of Fame:
“No. No, no, no, no. Blyleven wasn’t even the dominant pitcher of his era, it was Jack Morris.”
On being passed on the all-time home run list by players linked to performance-enhancing drugs:
“I don’t think the fans really count them, and I agree. I believe that Hank Aaron is the home run king, not Barry Bonds, as great a player as Bonds was.”
On Alex Rodriguez:
“Al’s a very good friend. But I think there are real questions about his numbers. As much as I like him, what he admitted about his usage does cloud some of his records.”
Jackson’s view on whether players linked to performance-enhancing drugs should be inducted into the Hall of Fame:
“If any of those guys get in, no Hall of Famer will attend.”
On Andy Pettitte’s possible election to the Hall of Fame:
“The question is going to be a guy like Andy Pettitte, who admitted that he got involved for a while, but who is so universally respected in the game. I think he’ll get in, but there will be a lot of [members] who won’t go.”
Would Jackson attend?
“He’s an awfully good friend. I’ve known Andy since he was 20. I’ll leave it there.”
i’ve always thought he talks too much
the braves are pounding Garza
Hall of Famers don’t get to vote…
blake -
Good, ’cause I don’t want the Yankees to be even tempted a little
Im so glad another New Yorker ripped another Yankee. Another Yankee ripped another Yankee. Same lack of loyalty, different day. Curt Schilling will never rip any Red Sox of the past 10 years or the future 100 years.
The Indians employing the extreme shift on the Rays’ LH batters and the Rays’ batters hitting right into it.
Msg to Reggie there are guys in the hall that used
“I didn’t see Kirby Puckett as a Hall of Famer. I didn’t see Gary Carter as a Hall of Famer. I didn’t see Don Sutton as a Hall of Famer. I didn’t see Phil Niekro as a Hall of Famer. As much as I like Jim Rice, I’m not so sure he’s a Hall of Famer.”
from the guy who was a career .262 hitter with a .846 OPS and almost 2,600 K’s…..not saying Reggie isn’t a HOFer…..but he’s not enough of a lock to run down other guys who are in like that….he’s not Willie Mays or Mickey Mantle
“If any of those guys get in, no Hall of Famer will attend.”
how about the guys who used Amphetamines Reggie?
tomingeorgia July 5th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
GB7,
They don’t play “Marching through Georgia” on Confederate Memorial Day around here.
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The thing about Sherman was he took what he needed and then destroyed everything else. The people darn near starved after he left.
There would never be a statue of him in the south like there is in N Y City
i have no problem with anything reggie said. he’s earned the right to say whatever he wants and he loves to be in the paper. theres nothing wrong with that whether you agree with him or not.
Jeff (NY, NY)
What are your thoughts on Tyler Austin as a prospect? I know he made your “ones to watch” list earlier this year. Can he be a legit middle of the order bat?
Klaw
(1:48 PM)
I’m all in. He’s good.
Ys Guy July 5th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
if they match lin the last year of the stat/melo/chandler/lin contracts they would have something like $5M to fill out the roster.
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Not true. NBA only has a hard cap of $74M if you use the full MLE or BAE.
How can he say he doesn’t see Carter as a hall of famer?
lgy i was repeating what i heard from evan roberts today, i guess he had the cap # wrong although he’s usually spot-on with the nba.
anyway, i still think they should match him and then theyll have to trade one of them in a couple of years.
m July 5th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
And what’s with Reggie Jackson running his mouth about what Alex tells him in private?
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I must really be out of the loop because I hadn’t heard that story. Someone please post a link if it’s not too much trouble.
Reggie Jackson is usually good for a couple of stupid comments a year (Goose has been guilty of it too).
Jackson is just as arrogant now as he was in his prime and his personality is the biggest reason why I’ve never been a fan of him.
Staying humble is always better than being the arrogant jackass who constantly seeks attention.
Good at bat from JR Murphy on Trenton…He got a walk, showed patience and I liked his batting stance
LOL… Duh.
Perhaps I would have seen the Reggie story if I had bothered to simply read the headline of this thread.
Reggie is a borderline HOFer himself to me…..
To be fair, I didn’t read the story. Just saw a link at espn.com. Always a dangerous thing because the stories are often blown out of proportion. But I figured Reggie did actually run his mouth.
They could trade Amare down the line. If Joe Johnson can be moved anything is possible.
Not true. NBA only has a hard cap of $74M if you use the full MLE or BAE.
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LGY
what do you think of letting Lin go and getting Felton, Allen and Camby?
Any cap room for that?
And Chad’s post just reinforces why I’ve never liked Reggie Jackson.
reggie is a solid hof’er especiallly when you look at his WS #’s
Trading Amare would fit into that equation.
JR Murphy just caught stealing a runner at second…Strong and accurate throw
m………how do you feel about Nash joining the lakers ???? showtime has returned to hollywood
5 k’s already for Dellin
Ys Guy July 5th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
lgy i was repeating what i heard from evan roberts today, i guess he had the cap # wrong although he’s usually spot-on with the nba.
anyway, i still think they should match him and then theyll have to trade one of them in a couple of years.
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He’s wrong. That’s not how the NBA salary cap works. Teams are only hard capped at $74M if they use the full MLE and/or BAE. If they use one or both of those they literally cannot spend another dollar above $74M aside from league minimum contracts (not vet minimum, league minimum).
The new CBA was designed to curb spending through extremely strict luxury tax penalties. However, Dolan has spent more money than any other owner in luxury tax and has never let the tax stop him from spending.
Lin, with Early Bird rights has no impact on how much money the Knicks can spend otherwise. They will never be in a situation where they “have” to trade him unless they want to use the full MLE or BAE.
I’ve been working on some stats, so I would have put this post in the previous thread, but it took me so much time that I am now in this thread. Sorry if it doesn’t fit.
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See there are things that just don’t compute here. And I’m not questioning whether or not Montero is going to be a great hitter. But I think you really take more than reasonable when you say that if Montero were in the Bronx he would definitely be hitting well. There is no way to prove that of course.
That’s that way you turn the trade debate into checkmate. You decide that despite the way he’s playing now, he’d be playing much better in the Bronx. Then you decide that despite the fact that the Yankees are in first place with THE BEST RECORD IN THE MAJORS, lead the league in homers and have the second-best OPS, their hitting isn’t sufficient and they still need an “impact bat”. And of course, that impact bat shoud be Montero because despite the fact that he’s making no impact in Seattle, he’d definitely be making an impact here.
So therefore the trade should never have happened.
I’m only referring to those who believe Montero should still be in the Bronx, not those who feel that he should have been trader for someone other than Montero.
I think there’s some circular reasoning going on there.
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I actually think we have some impact bats in our lineup.
And when you talk about RISP, what exactly is the stat we should be looking at? AVG? RBI? R? I’d say it’s RBI because isn’t that what really matters? Well the Yankees are climbing the ladder because they’re now in 17th place. If you look at AVG, it does look dismal.
But if you go by AVG, here’s how it looks for the top-place teams in the majors, in terms of RISP. #27, #1, #3, #23, #18, #15
If you go by ERA, here’s how it looks for the top-place teams in the majors. #9, #12, #10, #1, #6, #2
If you go by best records in the majors, the teams sort out this way in terms of ERA and RISP/AVG:
Yanks – ERA, #9; RISP, #27
Rangers – ERA, #10; RISP, #3
Nats – ERA, #1; RISP, #23
Pittsburgh – ERA, #6; RISP, #18
Dodgers – ERA, #2; RISP, #15
White Sox – ERA, #12; RISP, #1
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ERA counts for higher concentration in the majors than does RISP. So it appears that all the RISP consternation may be a bit overstated in terms of its actual effect. Would it be nice for the Yanks to do better with RISP? Unquestionably. But for what it seems to mean in terms of the way teams stack up, keeping Montero or having some other “young impact bat” or “impact bat”at all probably would not have made much of a difference. You can’t get higher than first place, and you can’t get better than first place in the entire major leagues.
Player A: .298 /.352 /.502 /.854
Player B: .262 /.356 /.490 /.846
A is Reggie Jackson, B is Jim Rice.
Jackson had more cumulative numbers like homers because he played about 800 more games…..I don’t think Rice is a HOFer either….but not sure Reggie should be talking about him not being a HOFer when they were pretty similar players
“And Chad’s post just reinforces why I’ve never liked Reggie Jackson.”
gf, you must not have been around in 1977
Linsanity will be in Houston now….
oh well.
“reggie is a solid hof’er especiallly when you look at his WS #’s”
Curt Schilling should be a HOFer then.
actually A is Rice and B is Jackson
Jerkface July 5th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
doesn’t suggest the ballpark has everything to do with his struggles.
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.209 .246 .343 .590 at home. he is getting owned by SafeCo.
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He’s not the only one.
a couple of the extremes are…
Saunders OPS
home .527
road .885
Seager OPS
home .526
road .914
There are only 2 Mariners OPS’ing better at home than on the road (Wells and Ryan)
In fact, on the road, the M’s are a decent hitting team…
http://tinyurl.com/7zodvr6
RISP is an overrated stat as we are a HR team and Hr’s don’t need runners to be in scoring position.
LGY
what do you think of letting Lin go and getting Felton, Allen and Camby?
Any cap room for that?
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Letting Lin go is worse salary cap wise than any other option because he has Early Bird Rights, which means they don’t have to use any of their salary cap exceptions to sign him. On the other hand, because of the cap rules in the NBA they can’t simply let Lin walk and then “apply” that money to other plays.
The NBA salary cap is very complicated in terms of how teams are permitted to spend money, but all you need to know is that the Knicks gain nothing by letting Lin walk and the only person negatively affect is James Dolan’s wallet when the luxury tax bill comes (but Lin is a cash cow so I doubt he minds).
In terms of the players mentioned, I don’t think Allen is a realistic option b/c the Celtics can offer double the money the Knicks can. As to Camby, I’d definitely be in favor of that. However, they would need to work out a sign + trade with the Mavericks on Kidd in order to have the money for Camby (or work out a sign + trade with the Blazers for Camby).
I do actually wonder whether Jackson would have been elected to the Hall if he didn’t have the biggest game of his life during Game 6 of the ’77 World Series.
He does have over 500 home runs (which used to be a much bigger deal than it is now) but his overall splits aren’t exactly earth shattering – at least not in my [biased] opinion.
the baseball encyclopedia did a thing where they used sabermetrics to rate hof’ers
they had reggie as the 15th best OF behind yaz but ahead of roberto clemente willie stargell and dave winfield.
they also had carter 3rd among catchers ahead of yogi and dickey.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze2.....s/id1.html
“RISP is an overrated stat as we are a HR team and Hr’s don’t need runners to be in scoring position.”
mick, I definitely agree with you, and the stats bear it out in terms of top teams in the majos.
Lin just signed an offer sheet for 5/5.2/9.3 with a team option for a 4th year. That’s a no brainer for the Knicks to match.
The feed froze
reggie in 5 World Series:
27games, 10 homers, 24 rbi, .357/.457/.755 1.212 ops.
that wasnt just one game the guy was a certified big game stud.
Anyone knows if the Thunder managed to score the man in second they had?
mick, I didn’t bother going past first-place teams, but I did those stats before and posted them, and ERA was definitely king. The teams with the highest ERA were concentrated in the top levels of all of the divisions, where the teams with the highest averages, and the teams with the best RISP records were all over the board, with quite a few showing up as 4th place teams, and one even showing up as a last-place team. (I believe it was the Suxers at the time. They’d do it again, as they are tied for last as we speak.)
so why not subject all future HOFers to sabermetric standards to determine whether they are worthy or not?
NOT?
Brooks Robinson would never have gotten in.
Reggie is a HOFer. One of the best clutch hitters around.
Trisha -
For me, the RISP stat is a suspect stat in that you must really look deeper into it. It is not a cut-and-dried stat.
For example, an infield hit with a runner on second is a hit with a RISP that doesn’t result in a run. A double with a guy on first is not a hit with a RISP, but the the runner scores on the double. Or a sac fly with a guy on third, is not a hit with a RISP, but results in a run.
The most important stat is Wins. And the Yankees have the most of them.
(But of course, I’d LOVE them to get a hit everytime!!! and I do get frustrated when someone doesn’t drive in a run)
Ys Guy July 5th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
“And Chad’s post just reinforces why I’ve never liked Reggie Jackson.”
gf, you must not have been around in 1977
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I was around in ’77 but I was just 3 yrs old.
I didn’t follow the Yanks regularly until the mid 80s because Mattingly was my childhood idol. So I was a Mattingly fan first and the team eventually grew on me.
Back in the late 80s and early 90s I wore my Yankee cap to school everyday and would get hounded daily because I was surrounded by Cubs and WSox fans.
if you didnt know the players you would really think those were yankees throwback unis not the giants’
trish, sure with a low era you can get by scoring less runs and if you are a HR hitting team with good defense you will finish 1st, makes sense .
Pat M,
Feels weird doesn’t it? When I think Nash, the first thing that flashes in my mind is his stretching his back on the sidelines. Kobe’s got mileage, but Nash is 38!
That said, he’s a serious talent. Just hope that we keep Gasol. I doubt we get Howard because he seems set on the Nets. Though that would be a winning move, he’s such a child so it’s best not to wish too hard for that.
why would the rockets trade kyle lowrie w/out knowing the outcome of the lin deal?
Got the feed back 7 k’s from Dellin
why does reggie get flack when he honestly speaks his mind?
thats what i said mick, he’s earned his right.
“why does reggie get flack when he honestly speaks his mind?”
he can say whatever he wants….but so can everybody else.
Reading the comments again, what he says about Alex isn’t even the hashed thing he says. How the people and families of those he thinks are unworthy must feel!
Reggie is who he is. And he certainly is free to speak his mind. His problem is he’s stirring the pot instead of the drink!
He lives being a Yankee, but his openness doesn’t fit with the Yankees. Who seem to be overly complimentary with their comments.
Dan haren to the DL for the first time in his career
That’s harshest and loves.
mick July 5th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
why does reggie get flack when he honestly speaks his mind?
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Goose has been prone to doing the same thing and Yankee fans have criticized him for it.
They both have the First Amendment right to say whatever they want but that right doesn’t protect them from criticism if they say something stupid or controversial.
It probably wouldn’t be as big of a deal if they didn’t also criticize other Yankees in the process. It says much more about their [lack of] character than the intended targets of their criticisms.
the thing about reggie that people dont get if they werent around back then is that reggie was already a big game stud and WS mvp when he became a free agent. Stein took him out on the town and wined and dined him and rolled out the red carpet and signed him to the biggest contract, and then he came through and WAS the big game stud they were paying him to be.
he was hated by alot of fans, his manager and many of his teammates, but he came through in the big moment just like he said he would.
and for the horace clark generation, he brought home our first WS win.
My father used to say that if you don’t have anything good to say about someone, then don’t open your mouth.
my thing is i could argue the points reggie or goose made, but i have no problem with them saying what they think. they deserve it.
GF,
His answer to attending if Andy made it was strange.
Of course….I am not my father
i never expect consistent logic from reggie but every hall of famer’s take on the hall of fame carries credibility.
Dellin allowed two more runs
Luis still getting the feed? Nice K on the CB, 2nd run unearned on the Maruszak error. Should have been out of the inning. Now getting a little tired.
I would think it would be frowned upon by the Hall of Fame for it’s members to say that other members don’t belong….
You can be a great player and still be an ass.
I’m happy that he produced and helped this team win championships but I don’t think his past accomplishments exempt him from criticism if he says something stupid.
You won’t hear Bernie, O’Neill, Jeter, Posada, or Mo criticize another Yankee. This isn’t the Bronx Zoo anymore where drama and chaos was prevalent.
The Yanks now see that kind of stuff for what it is…..a distraction and nothing more.
YF,
It comes and goes…This last HBP isn’t helping…I think he looks much better…Another hit damn
“Reggie is a borderline HOFer himself to me…..”
if he were a real yankee i’d pay more attention to him.
he was just a hired gun they used for a few years.
Both Gossage and Jackson have a long history of blowing their own horn but,also have a history of running down other players when it is their purpose, which is far too often, and many times, it’s old team mates. During the “Straw” fap, he said he was misquoted. Muson’s rsponse? “For 10 Effin’ pages?”
Luis, YF, Blake – How did Betances look tonight? A few hits and runs last inning, but 7 Ks and just two walks before the wheels fell off. Interested to know if he was commanding the zone better and notwithstanding the last inning if this was improvement. Thanks.
BTW – Heading to Fenway tomorrow night. Seems I always draw Beckett. Was at the WS game when he pitched for the Marlins and several times with the Red Sox.
m July 5th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
GF,
His answer to attending if Andy made it was strange.
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Indeed. And Pettitte is arguably more beloved by Yankee fans than Reggie ever was.
Goose always sounds bitter when he compares the closers of his era to closers now, especially when Mo’s name comes up and his comments often sound like jabs at Rivera.
That’s an argument Goose will never win – comparing his numbers against the undisputed greatest closer of all time.
Fiveiron,
He looks much better mechanically wise….Still needs some work to overcome fellow teammates errors and work from the stretch though
I don’t know, I actually find Reggie and his tendency to be somewhat outspoken refreshing. I don’t agree with all his opinions, but IMO he has the credibility to speak his mind.
“Luis, YF, Blake – How did Betances look tonight? A few hits and runs last inning, but 7 Ks and just two walks before the wheels fell off. ”
I just saw the first 3 innings….kinda the same for me….effectively wild at times…it’s hard to tell a ton because the broadcast quality is poor but it looked just about like always….can be electric at times but more often he just can’t throw the ball where he wants and either falls behind and get hit or walks guys.
He looked good until the Maruszak error. The infield is terrible. Too long an inning, hot as hell here. Seems to be recovering well here in the 6th.
his defense certainly didn’t help though tonight.
K 81 mph. Think he’s done.
He was stilling
gary carter liked to blow his own horn and campaigned to get into the hof, too. he also openly campaigned for art howe and willie randolph’s managing jobs.
the players basically dont change when they retire. nobody in the hof is going to be surprised that reggie or goose popped off about other hof’ers. they’ve all knew reggie well before any of them got into the hof.
More on Betances..At one point he retired 11 of 12 men he faced right before the error…He had a nice bounce back inning to end his night I guess
Thanks all. Nice bounce back inning. He probably has somewhere around 15 more starts left. Hopefully he can really get things together the remainder of the season.
Taking a few steps down the minor league ladder, Rony Bautista, has been pitching well in the Gulf Coast League. Only mention him because he is listed at 6 food 7 and 200 points (lefty).
CB looked good last two innings 78-82, 4 seamer 93-96, top 97. Melky’s still over swinging…
One guy that used to get to Jackson was Mickey Rivers.
Jackson was bragging about his IQ. Said it was 162.
Rivers: 162 out of how many?
Rivers to Jackson: You have a white man’s first name, a Mexican’s middle name and a black man’s last name. No wonder you’re so screwed up.
Rivers was a work of art.
How did Mesa got on base?
Okay, my last word on the topic.
I’m not sure Reggie has earned any more “credibility” than the HoF peers that he criticized in that article – although two that he named are now dead (Pucket and Carter).
That, in itself, seems rather tacky.
The Knicks will match that, or they shoudl. Thats not a terrible deal. Especially the team option 4th year.
Sanchez with his first High A homer
Saxon Butler with another homer for Staten Island
How do you criticize one current Yankee and then support another current Yankee, who were both guilty of the same thing, in the same article?
Giuseppe Franco July 5th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Okay, my last word on the topic.
I’m not sure Reggie has earned any more “credibility” than the HoF peers that he criticized in that article – although two that he named are now dead (Pucket and Carter).
That, in itself, seems rather tacky.
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Thats certainly a valid point, I really hadn’t thought about that aspect. Why speak out about those individuals now?
i dont agree with everything reggie said but he’s certainly not the first one to say them. lots of people feel that arod and other ped users wont get in and lots of people thought jim rice and kirby puckett didnt belong in the hall. carter didnt get elected his first 5 tries.
its not like he’s spouting some crazy theory. his logic seems a little mixed when he says he’d welcome roger in and is ok with andy while not so much for arod. but a whole lot of hof voters also use screwy logic to justify voting in or not voting in certain players.
Frank Discussion July 5th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Giuseppe Franco July 5th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Okay, my last word on the topic.
I’m not sure Reggie has earned any more “credibility” than the HoF peers that he criticized in that article – although two that he named are now dead (Pucket and Carter).
That, in itself, seems rather tacky.
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Thats certainly a valid point, I really hadn’t thought about that aspect. Why speak out about those individuals now?
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Valid.
I just thought it was funny/ironic that we spent a lot of today discussing how much heat Arod takes but how little criticism Oritz has faced. A few guys get a pass.
Seems to me that Reggie doesn’t want PED users in the Hall.
Many share that opinion.
Don’t get the outrage.
Ys Guy July 5th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
i dont agree with everything reggie said but he’s certainly not the first one to say them. lots of people feel that arod and other ped users wont get in and lots of people thought jim rice and kirby puckett didnt belong in the hall. carter didnt get elected his first 5 tries.
its not like he’s spouting some crazy theory. his logic seems a little mixed when he says he’d welcome roger in and is ok with andy while not so much for arod. but a whole lot of hof voters also use screwy logic to justify voting in or not voting in certain players.
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I don’t think anyone thinks the points he’s making are out of line with who Reggie Jackson is.. we’re just discussing Reggie Jackson’s crazy. As blake said earlier, Reggie Jackson is free to say whatever Reggie Jackson wants.. and so are we. That’s why he’s saying it in the first place. So people can talk about it and, as a result, Reggie Jackson. (How happy would Reggie Jackson be to see one poster use his name so often in a singular post? Very.)
Reggie always spoke his mind, bluntly and honestly.
If this offends some, I don’t think he cares.
I, too, find it refreshing in this PC society.
The HIF should streamline the while process. Cut out the writers and let Reggie decide. After he dies, let his frozen head make the decisions. (groan)
Reggie Jackson.
…..I do like saying the name over and over. Reggie Jackson.. Reggie Jackson.. Reggie Jackson. It just kinda rolls. Has anyone ever rapped about Reggie Jackson? It seems like it would make a good lyric.
mick – Who’s offended? I just see people pointing out inconsistencies in his (many, though rightly earned) statements.
m July 5th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
The HIF should streamline the while process. Cut out the writers and let Reggie decide. After he dies, let his frozen head make the decisions. (groan)
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LMAO – Oh sh*t, m just got real! Stay real, m, you stay real.
his logic seems a little mixed when he says he’d welcome roger in and is ok with andy while not so much for arod.
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clemens never admitted to it, andy and alex did. he didn’t say he would vote for andy if he could. he’s speaking of the reporters and what they will do.
You know why Reggie is important? Because he is Reggie Jackson.
Cut out the writers and let Reggie decide. After he dies, let his frozen head make the decisions. (groan)
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now that’s crass.
mick,
It’s a fraternity if sorts. MLB players, and more specifically the HOF.
Gossage and maybe even Jackson resent today’s players who get paid a lot more than they ever did.
But if I were Jackson I would draw the line with a sharpie. The steroid era is a stain, but some guys are going to sneak in. But he’s old school, and it’s good to have conviction. But a little tact goes a long way.
Nick Turley with the 1-0 win. 6 innings, hit, 0 runs, 0 alks 6 strikeouts.
Montgomery with the save, 1 inning, 0 runs, 1 walk, 2 strikes.
sanchez with a single and homer. Also a throwing error.
http://www.milb.com/milb/stats.....a_breafa_1
Shame,
Not as good as Minnie Minoso.
But a little tact goes a long way.
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He speaks his mind and has conviction.
Just like he thought he was the straw that stirred the drink, he lived up to it on the ballfield when it counted.
Why should he be tactful? He’s honest and doesn’t mince words.
There wasn’t anything “refreshing” about Jackson. He was Howard Cosell in spikes. An obnoxious boor.
I wouldn’t draw…
There wasn’t anything “refreshing” about Jackson.
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That’s your opinion, doesn’t make it a fact.
it will be interesting if andy sticks around for another 30 wins or so to see how he does in hof voting. he’s an admitted ped user but very popular with the media.
m July 5th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
mick,
It’s a fraternity if sorts. MLB players, and more specifically the HOF.
Gossage and maybe even Jackson resent today’s players who get paid a lot more than they ever did.
But if I were Jackson I would draw the line with a sharpie. The steroid era is a stain, but some guys are going to sneak in. But he’s old school, and it’s good to have conviction. But a little tact goes a long way.
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Jackson and gossage made more money than Mantle and Mays, but, theydidn’t trash other players for making more.
and on a day Reggie insults Arod like a clown, Amani Toomer belittles Eli Manning like a fool.
Former New York Giants wide receiver Amani Toomer says Dallas Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo is better than Giants quarterback Eli Manning.
What makes this interesting is that Toomer played with Manning for five seasons in New York.
There wasn’t anything “refreshing” about Jackson. He was Howard Cosell in spikes.
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Both were genius in what they did.
manning has twice as many super bowl mvp’s as romo has PS wins….
“Al’s a very good friend. But I think there are real questions about his numbers. As much as I like him, what he admitted about his usage does cloud some of his records.”
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How is this an insult?
Didn’t Pettite admit to using HGH, not steroids? Is HGH really a PED, or is it an aid to healing? Really don’t know.
There is no question Arod is more of a hall of famer than Reggie, even without peds.
tomingeorgia July 5th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Didn’t Pettite admit to using HGH, not steroids? Is HGH really a PED, or is it an aid to healing? Really don’t know.
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But we do know it’s a banned substance in MLB (and also illegal to obtain without a prescription under US law).
cosell was great jackson was great. i didnt agree with half of what either said but ill take opinions over blandness.
someone said before that oniell jeter and co. will never say bad things about other yankees. is that a good thing? jeter has perfected boring and the whole franchise takes thier que from him. the result is a team that never has anything interesting to say.
i love these guys but this team sure could use a straw to stir things up…
I wouldn’t draw…
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cryptic? say what you mean like Reggie does.
mick July 5th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
“Al’s a very good friend. But I think there are real questions about his numbers. As much as I like him, what he admitted about his usage does cloud some of his records.”
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How is this an insult?
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It isn’t. Is someone saying it is? I just see people ripping on Reggie Jackson for being Reggie Jackson. Which is why Reggie Jackson says the things that Reggie Jackson says.
reggie is too outspoken, jeter is boring…what will make yankee fans happy?
swisher?
I dunno YS, I don’t remember Jeter influencing Wells all that much.. Sheff either..
There are still loud mouth Yankees. None on this team.. unless we count David Robertson’s wife..
Shame,
Point taken, but is there a difference in intent?
No, not being cryptic. Meant to say “wouldn’t draw”, NOT “would draw” in an earlier post.
Staten Island wins on great pitching and Butler’s 4th homer, 2-1.
http://www.milb.com/milb/stats.....x_staasx_1
tomingeorgia July 5th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Shame,
Point taken, but is there a difference in intent?
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I guess it depends on what you believe.. I’m not sure I ever really bought the story that Andy got that stuff from his dad. Thought it was kind of a cop out, to be honest, and that it would be the only ‘safe’ (PR terminology here) person to blame for where he got it. I’m biased in that sense.. so ‘intent’ sounds a lot like ‘cheating’ from where I’m standing. I like Andy a lot. If he took some HGH now, that’s his prerogative. I don’t think guys should be left out of the hall for using. But I don’t see Alex’s version of cheating as much different than Andy’s… despite what Reggie Jackson might think
You know this one is a horse of a bit of a different color – but listening to talk radio tonight made me think about it. Apparently there had been discussion about steroid use (maybe prompted by Reggie’s comments) and when I turned the radio on, I heard mentioned of Arod and Ortiz and Clemens. At that point someone called in and said they didn’t think people should be putting Arod and Clemens in the same category since Arod had admitted using steroids and Clemens was vindicated by a jury. The host then went on to ask him if he thought Clemens had used and he said “no”. The host then asked him whether he had any intelligence whatsoever – and you can see where that was going. It brought me right to the day after the trial and reading some sports writers saying they would still not vote for Clemens to go into the HOF. So that’s called the court of public opinion. Apparently they didn’t believe Clemens. Apparently neither did the radio host.
The other day austinmac got upset when some of us said we totally believed Ortiz was still juicing, and he derided us because we were judging him guilty “without any evidence” and how unAmerican that was to do. But actually, we’re all entitled to our beliefs. And somene pointed out that this was a blog, not a court of law.
Cut to the OJ Simpson trial. He was acquitted in his murder trial, just as Clemens was acquitted (though Clemens was acquitted of perjury; he was never tried for using steroids – just as there has been no “trial” for MLB steroid use. But it appears that many people see that as total vindication.). So here’s the rub. It appears that the majority of America believed Simpson was guilty, based on the evidence. I think polls showed the number to be around 93%.
Was Simpson guilty of first degree murder? Not according to the criminal court system. Did everyone walk blithely away from that and get up in arms if someone said they believed Simpson was guilty – despite being acquitted – because they believed the evidence was overwhelming?
And then what of the civil verdict? He was found guilty of wrongful death. We’re not talking the difference in standards here. One jury said he was not guilty and another said he was. So I guess we’re not unAmerican if we say we believe he was guilty, right? But we would have been unAmerican if we said it right after the criminal trial.
I watched the entirety of the Clemens stuff from get-go, and just as I was able to feel that the evidence unquestionably pointed to Simpson’s guilt, so do I feel that the evidence unquestionably pointed to Clemens using steroids. Because some crafty defense attorney is able to convince a jury otherwise doesn’t mean that a person isn’t guilty.
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From what I’ve read, it appears that the majority of the public still believes that Clemens used steroids. There is no question in my mind that he did. The only embarrassment I find is that the jurors were stupid enough to acquit him of perjury, when it was so obvious that he lied. And there will be HOF voters who feel the same way.
If Simpson hadn’t already been in the HOF, what do you really think the chances are that he would have been voted in after the murder trial, even if a civil trial had not followed it? If the HOF voters were in the 93% of the public who believed he had gotten away with murder, I’m thinking the chances would not have been great.
There are times when you have to let common sense prevail.
caveat – obviously those who believe Clemens are entitled to that belief, just as those who believe OJ are entitled to that belief.
For the record, I don’t think the Yankees should have retired Reggie’s number. The As? Yes. Yankkees? No.
personally i dont believe andy, arod or clemens have told the truth about their ped usage.
The stigma of PED use is confusing. The fans enjoyed the production, the majority were using so the playing field was level. The stigma of “drug” usage compared to the cocaine epidemic of the 80′s is viewed as cheating yet MLB is fraught with cheating. Like Wise cheated on that phantom catch, the crime is in getting caught. That’s what happened to PED users. Setting a bad example for children either way.
Ys Guy July 5th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
personally i dont believe andy, arod or clemens have told the truth about their ped usage.
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But there’s only one ceremony Reggie Jackson will not be attending!!!
tejada with a great ab loads the bases vs. papelbon with 2 our and a one run phil’s lead.. its up to murphy
you have to smile at what the mets just did to papel puke…
Shut up, Reggie.
No one stops Jackson speaking out.
Hey, but if u open your mouth, at least be consistent.
His comments on arod and Andy make him look like a sucker.
He loses his credibility completely.