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Rodriguez at DH for opener

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 06, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter SS
Curtis Granderson CF
Alex Rodriguez DH
Robinson Cano 2B
Mark Teixeira 1B
Nick Swisher RF
Raul Ibanez LF
Eric Chavez 3B
Russell Martin C

Hiroki Kuroda RHP

 
 

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238 Responses to “Rodriguez at DH for opener”

  1. m July 6th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Let’s start off this series with a bang!

  2. LGY July 6th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    How do you leave 7 tool player DeWayne Wise out of the lineup with how well he’s played lately???

  3. Villa Nova-Ya July 6th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    MTU -

    Lovely pictures as usual!

    Thanks.

  4. Mordot11 July 6th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    I must be missing Martin’s genius behind the plate that makes it worth jamming his .180 bat in the lineup every night.

    Oh well, hopefully the Yanks can keep on carrying him. Let’s get 3!

  5. bardos July 6th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    Why is A-Rod batting 3rd? With his production, anyone else would be in the 6th slot…

  6. MTU July 6th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    VN-

    I thought the place could use a little sprucin’ up.

    You’re welcome.

    Glad you enjoyed them.

    I really dig waterfalls. Think it might have something to do with living in the desert ?

    ;)

  7. blake July 6th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    “or maybe because he sucks at catching and can’t catch. like every scouting report says. like everyone says except for Mariners fans and delusional Yankee prospect huggers.”

    The Mariners didn’t trade for him because of his catching ability….they traded for his bat and if he catches some thats a bonus….Jack Z said as much….if he hits like Jorge Posada you could live with his defense when he catches.

  8. waka flocka July 6th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    there is no point in creating waves when the lineup only matters on the first time through.

  9. tomingeorgia July 6th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    MTU,
    Authentic is none.

  10. blake July 6th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    lets trash Beckett….it would make me so happy….make him go drown his sorrows in beer and fried chicken!

  11. MTU July 6th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    Tom-

    There really was no need to explain.

    ;)

  12. mick July 6th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    York Yankees
    TheDA53 profile

    TheDA53 “@NYYEric: @TheDA53 6-4 Yankees. Cano and Curtis go yard. Bobby V tossed.” well played. 3-1 odds he wears a youk disguise to be in dugout 37 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite
    TheDA53 profile

    TheDA53 A lot of love for the #Yankees tonight. I’m guessing 27-1 Yankees. The sox will get one on fan interference 2 times in a row 51 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite
    TheDA53 profile

    TheDA53 What do you got on the score of the #yankees #RedSox game tonight?
    =======================================
    What is wrong with this guy?

  13. pat July 6th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    Whenever people get excited about someone being out of the other teams line-up, their replacement usually hurts the Yankees. Beware of the Punto.

  14. MTU July 6th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Blake-

    He’s doing a fine job of that all on his own.

    Let’s just stay out of his way.

    ;)

  15. Against All Odds July 6th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    What is wrong with this guy?

    ——————

    Likes to connect with the fans

  16. waka flocka July 6th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    blake,

    Jorge Posada is one of the best hitting catchers to ever play the game. are you saying that all Montero has to do is hit like him and everything will be fine?

    i have never seen so much blind faith in a prospect/former org. player in my life.

  17. MTU July 6th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    “What is wrong with this guy?”

    Unfortunately, he has a tendency to re-tweet himself.

    :(

  18. mick July 6th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    Likes to connect with the fans
    =====================
    Oh, knew there was a reason we got him.

  19. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    “.they traded for his bat and if he catches some thats a bonus…”

    Yes, and that’s why the Yanks had to move Montero. ARod and Jeter have 129 plate appearances between them at DH, that’s a lot of plate appearances to lose.

  20. luis July 6th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Who is this DA53 guy?

  21. MTU July 6th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Luis-

    Aardsma.

  22. tomingeorgia July 6th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    MTU,
    Do you have antelope out there?

  23. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    “if he hits like Jorge Posada you could live with his defense when he catches.”

    As long as he caught as well as Posada, which is no slam dunk.

  24. luis July 6th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    Yup,

    The Dh has done marvels to Arod’s and Jeter’s production…And the production we are getting from the C position are off the charts

  25. Against All Odds July 6th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    mick July 6th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    Likes to connect with the fans
    =====================
    Oh, knew there was a reason we got him.

    ———————————-

    As long as he’s not saying anything offensive I don’t see a problem. It’s not as if his tweeting is taking away from his rehab.

  26. m July 6th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    I wonder if it’s a spoof twitter account? Don’t recall “The” in front of his handle. I doubt he trash talks the sox, besides we all know that the sox have more than 1 championship. :P

  27. Against All Odds July 6th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    luis July 6th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    Yup,

    The Dh has done marvels to Arod’s and Jeter’s production…And the production we are getting from the C position are off the charts

    —————–

    I love your sarcasm :)

  28. Tabbert July 6th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    For those asking why certain players are still in the lineup or why certain players are hitting in spots you don’t think they are worthy of:

    Girardi Will rebuttal with ” We have the best record in baseball with this lineup, and these nine guys. They have not played their best, but it can only go up from here, and that’s scary to think, seeing as we have the best record in baseball!”

    So, there is no reason to really get overworked about the situation. Nothing is going to be changed.

  29. MTU July 6th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    Tom-

    does this answer your question ?

    https://picasaweb.google.com/109721757058432487394/JimS?authkey=Gv1sRgCP7tm66bwY-7ngE#

    They make great jerky as well as photographic subjects.

    :)

  30. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    “The Dh has done marvels to Arod’s and Jeter’s production…And the production we are getting from the C position are off the charts”

    Irrelevant, since Martin would have caught and ARod and Jeter would have rotated through DH even if Montero hadn’t been traded.

  31. Shame Spencer July 6th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    MTU July 6th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    Shame-

    Maybe not to f*ck with but certainly to flick with.

    austinmac July 6th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    MTU,

    I know you won’t appreciate it but my legs were made for kilts. :)

    ——————

    You guys have me cracking up :lol:

  32. tomingeorgia July 6th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    MTU,
    That’s why you have the .270, then. Thanks.

  33. Jerkface July 6th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    ARod and Jeter have 129 plate appearances between them at DH, that’s a lot of plate appearances to lose.

    The primary DH is playing in the field.

  34. luis July 6th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    Odds,

    ;) Do you really think I was being sarcastic? :D

  35. Jerkface July 6th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    If Montero were on the team, the playing time would be different. The team would be different.

  36. MTU July 6th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    Shame-

    It’s what we’re all about.

    ;)

  37. mick July 6th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    It’s not as if his tweeting is taking away from his rehab.
    ==================================
    Thing is, instead of his nonsense and connection with the fans, why not inform them on why he was shut down?

  38. MTU July 6th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    Tom-

    I much prefer them live.

    Beautiful critters.

    This year’s hot and dry weather has them out in force.

    Never seen so many in such a short span of time.

  39. Shame Spencer July 6th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    luis July 6th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    Yup,

    The Dh has done marvels to Arod’s and Jeter’s production

    —————-

    I think the inconsistent playing time is hurting Arod. Not hurting him in the sense it’s the sole reason for why he hasn’t shown power but I think its contributing to him not being able to adjust as quickly. He needs the rest for sure.. and I’d much rather him get it now and then start playing every day in the field as it gets closer to October.

  40. EA July 6th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    “If Montero were on the team, the playing time would be different. The team would be different.”

    The team would be better offensively, that’s for sure. The defense sucks this year anyway, so they won’t be losing much.

    When you factor in their subpar defense and hideous offense, it would be tough to find a worse catching tandem in baseball, which is pretty remarkable.

  41. MTU July 6th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    I know I’m going out on a limb here but I believe in being bold.

    I’m predicting a split.

  42. Villa Nova-Ya July 6th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    Aardsma did inform the fans why he was shut down right after it happened, and said you have to listen to your body.

    He was informing every step of the way during his rehab, and starting to pitch again.

  43. tomingeorgia July 6th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    EA,
    Are you sure you’re watching the same team as the rest of us, the one with the best recoed in MLB?

  44. Shame Spencer July 6th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    Jerkface July 6th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    If Montero were on the team, the playing time would be different. The team would be different.

    ————–

    Don’t try that silly logic…

    To draw on your point though, assuming we never trade Montero are we stuck with just Jones and no Ibanez? I hate Ibanez’s face.. but man that would suck. All that talk about Jones trying to compete for a spot was just that. I think he’s more than happy to get paid by the smile :D

  45. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    “The primary DH is playing in the field.”

    I assume Ibanez wouldn’t be here if Montero hadn’t been dealt. No matter what, the Yanks would have rotated ARod and Jeter through DH. And if Montero hit for the Yanks the way he’s hitting for Seattle, he might have found himself on the AAA road team.

  46. MTU July 6th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    “and said you have to listen to your body.”

    Wonder what his body said ?

    ;)

  47. waka flocka July 6th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    yea, the offense would be a lot better with a player who has an OBP below .300 in the lineup!

  48. luis July 6th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    Shame,

    If you are going to rest him, give him a day off…I do agree that it is hurting his production rather than keeping him up to par…I don’t think it has anything to do with his power though…His power outage has more to do with the hips not being able to generate torque and in turn he doesn’t generate lift on the ball.

  49. Jerkface July 6th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    To draw on your point though, assuming we never trade Montero are we stuck with just Jones and no Ibanez? I hate Ibanez’s face.. but man that would suck. All that talk about Jones trying to compete for a spot was just that. I think he’s more than happy to get paid by the smile

    Maybe! And maybe Jones would be gone and Russel Branyan would be here!

  50. pat July 6th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    bardos July 6th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
    Why is A-Rod batting 3rd? With his production, anyone else would be in the 6th slot…

    TBTimes_Rays
    #Rays lineup has Scott, and his 0-for-39, hitting fifth at DH

  51. mick July 6th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    enough about the prodigy already….it’s played out….time to get a life.

  52. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    “And maybe Jones would be gone and Russel Branyan would be here!”

    Wouldn’t that be exciting…

  53. mick July 6th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    I hate Ibanez’s face..
    ===============
    not relevant to success.

  54. MTU July 6th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    Pineda and Jesus were gonna settle this question once and for all with a nationally-televised and much heralded arm-wrestling match.

    But Michael had to call it off temporarily.

    It will be rescheduled for a future date.

    Stay tuned.

    ;)

  55. luis July 6th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    MTU July 6th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    “and said you have to listen to your body.”

    Wonder what his body said ?

    ;)

    ======================

    It spoke in finninsh, so we wouldn’t understand ;)

  56. Villa Nova-Ya July 6th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    MTU -

    His body said – “Stop right there!”

  57. mick July 6th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    If you are going to rest him, give him a day off…I do agree that it is hurting his production rather than keeping him up to par…
    =======================
    he’s off his feet, getting 1/2 day rest or more with each DH, and he has sat out a few games, but go on with the montero envy.

  58. MTU July 6th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Luis-

    Remember. I speak many languages fluently.

    :)

  59. mick July 6th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    His body said – “Stop right there!”
    ======================
    what has it said since?

  60. luis July 6th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    Mick,

    Tell that to the Montero bashers…Who seem to bring the subject more often than not

  61. mick July 6th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Remember. I speak many languages fluently.
    ===========================
    do you speak body language?

  62. MTU July 6th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Can you imagine what Joba’s body says ?

    Scary.

    :(

  63. Chip July 6th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    So, back to yesterday’s conversation about replacing Russ Martin.

    Nik Hundley’s not hitting at all this year and was sent to AAA likely never to return (thanks to Grandal) but he could be a nice pickup who wouldn’t cost much talent. He’s due $7 mil of the next two years. If he doesn’t rebound; well you’re still probably not getting a back up catcher for much less than that.

    If you can get them to include Headley – that would be delightful.

  64. mick July 6th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Tell that to the Montero bashers…
    ====================
    It’s not Montero they’re bashing.

  65. Shame Spencer July 6th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    MTU July 6th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    “and said you have to listen to your body.”

    Wonder what his body said ?

    ;)

    ———————

    “Your body is a wonderlannnd.. your body is a wonderlannndd..” (ok I’m gonna go shot myself now..)

  66. MTU July 6th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Mick-

    Not over the Internet.

    ;)

  67. luis July 6th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Then tell that to the poster bashers

  68. Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    A-Rod has been DH’ing a lot recently… I know he needs rest but isn’t this more than usual? Wonder if everything is alright with him or if it is because Chavez has been pretty good…

  69. jacksquat July 6th, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    Jenny Dell ?@JennyDellNESN

    7/6 #RedSox vs. #NYY: Nava LF, Kalish CF, Ortiz DH, Ross RF, Gonzalez 1B, Saltalamacchia C, Gomez 3B, Aviles SS, Punto 2B, Beckett P.

    Yanks need to win at least 3 of 4 vs that.

  70. mick July 6th, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    they are bashing the incessant montero supporters who won’t give it up…

  71. MTU July 6th, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    Or Josh Hamilton’s ?

    Whew !

    :(

  72. Chip July 6th, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    “And maybe Jones would be gone and Russel Branyan would be here!”

    Wouldn’t that be exciting…
    ———————

    And maybe one of the games he’s playing the field instead of getting some extra time at DH – Alex tears his hip, has to sit for the rest of the season whilst Eric Chavez goes on to hit .357 with 54 HR and win a gold glove…

    I mean as long as we’re playing the “what if” game.

  73. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    The “Montero bashing” isn’t bashing Montero at all. We are defending Cashman which is what this is all really about anyway.

  74. Shame Spencer July 6th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    “And maybe Jones would be gone and Russel Branyan would be here!”

    Wouldn’t that be exciting…

    ————–

    Did you not see the ‘!’… kind of implies exciting ;)

  75. mick July 6th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    I know he needs rest but isn’t this more than usual?
    =================
    didn’t you read that arod isn’t getting enough rest?

  76. Chip July 6th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    A-Rod has been DH’ing a lot recently… I know he needs rest but isn’t this more than usual? Wonder if everything is alright with him or if it is because Chavez has been pretty good…
    ————————-

    I think part of it is because Chavez is better than Jason Nix or Dewayne Wise – the two guys who would be playing if Ibanez or Jeter (the other likely DHs) weren’t in the field.

  77. Against All Odds July 6th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    waka flocka July 6th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    yea, the offense would be a lot better with a player who has an OBP below .300 in the lineup!

    ————————

    At least it would be younger

  78. Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    Chip-

    That’s probably true. Just easiest to give A-Rod the DH spot and maintain as close to maximum production for the lineup.

  79. Chip July 6th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    The “Montero bashing” isn’t bashing Montero at all. We are defending Cashman which is what this is all really about anyway.
    —————–

    Agreed – no one is ripping Montero.

    Looking at it objectively though you can’t say that one team really cleaned up on this trade yet – but it was a trade of young players and we won’t know the results for at least 3 or 4 years.

  80. Shame Spencer July 6th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    mick July 6th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    I hate Ibanez’s face..
    ===============
    not relevant to success.

    —————————-

    No, I never said it was but I do feel the need to point it out.. I don’t know where his chin is going, but it’s trying to escape.

  81. luis July 6th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    Against All Odds July 6th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    waka flocka July 6th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    yea, the offense would be a lot better with a player who has an OBP below .300 in the lineup!

    ————————

    At least it would be younger

    ============================

    Younger with upside and more importantly able to play a position that he is clearly outhitting our current options

  82. MTU July 6th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    Let me get this straight.

    That’s several Montero bashings.

    A few passionate Montero defenses.

    And 1 Cashman-instead-of Montero defense.

    Is that right ?

  83. waka flocka July 6th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    i am not bashing Montero. i am stating facts: he isn’t playing well this season. if you guys can’t handle that then you’re delusional. the kid isn’t hitting well. there always seems to be an excuse for his non-production.

    “oh well he hits better when hes catching!” then why isn’t he behind the plate? Seattle is going no where.

    “Safeco is killing him!” this might be a little true but he’s still not setting the world on fire on the road.

    “well he hits lefties well!” and everyone killed Girardi for benching him against RHP during his brief stint with the Yankees (including myself).

  84. mick July 6th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Looking at it objectively though you can’t say that one team really cleaned up on this trade
    ===============================
    yet some won’t stop saying it.

  85. mick July 6th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    Let me get this straight.

    That’s several Montero bashings.

    A few passionate Montero defenses.

    And 1 Cashman-instead-of Montero defense.

    Is that right ?
    =============
    Can I have that to go?

  86. Locke July 6th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    We may not have the perfect lineup, but it looks way better than this disaster.

    1. Nava LF,
    2. Kalish CF,
    3. Ortiz DH,
    4. Ross RF,
    5. Gonzalez 1B,
    6. Saltalamacchia C,
    7. Gomez 3B,
    8. Aviles SS,
    9. Punto 2B,

    Beckett P.

  87. Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    mick-

    Where was it said that A-Rod isn’t getting enough rest? It seems like he’s DH’ing at least twice a week with Gardner out and getting plenty of days off….

  88. mick July 6th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    Younger with upside and more importantly able to play a position that he is clearly outhitting our current options
    ==============================
    What position is that, RH DH platoon?

  89. MTU July 6th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    Fortunately for all you I have to go for a while but there is one last thing I’d like to ask.

    We alll know dogs dream but do most dogs also snore like mine ?

    Catch you later.

    If I’m not back enjoy watching the Yankees and Sux split.

    Things will be a little less ugly in Biston now that Youkilis is gone.

    He really added a certain, shall we say, “panache”.

    :)

  90. Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Locke July 6th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
    We may not have the perfect lineup, but it looks way better than this disaster.

    1. Nava LF,
    2. Kalish CF,
    3. Ortiz DH,
    4. Ross RF,
    5. Gonzalez 1B,
    6. Saltalamacchia C,
    7. Gomez 3B,
    8. Aviles SS,
    9. Punto 2B,

    Beckett P.
    ————————————-

    I wouldn’t underestimate any lineup in Fenway. It looks pretty bad on paper but that park can make any lineup score 10 runs.

  91. MTU July 6th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    sorry. that’s Bahston. not Biston.

  92. waka flocka July 6th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    and not once did i say Montero didn’t have upside just so someone doesn’t jump on that train. all i have taken exception to this season is people saying the Yankees would be better with Montero.

    and i am tired of posters pretending Montero can catch. two teams and a plethora of scouts have said he can’t. if you want to choose to believe he can then you’re just being a homer.

  93. luis July 6th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Waka,

    We are not disputing your stats…All we are saying is that it was to be expected…That he is clearly outhitting our C tandem….And the revolving DH spot is not working to keep Arod’s production up to par.

  94. mick July 6th, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    Shame Spencer July 6th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    luis July 6th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    Yup,

    The Dh has done marvels to Arod’s and Jeter’s production

    —————-

    I think the inconsistent playing time is hurting Arod.
    ==================================
    You can read this at LoHud, Tyler.

  95. MTU July 6th, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    Mick-

    :)

    Yes. Hopefully.

  96. Against All Odds July 6th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    Younger with upside and more importantly able to play a position that he is clearly outhitting our current options

    ———————-

    Very well said

  97. Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    mick-

    Anybody posted A-Rod’s numbers as a DH vs. 3b?

  98. luis July 6th, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    More importantly…That the trade was unnecessary, at least for the pieces he was traded for…That our offense is declining and that we needed to get younger

  99. Chip July 6th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    luis July 6th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    ============================

    Younger with upside and more importantly able to play a position that he is clearly outhitting our current options

    —————————-

    Luis,

    If Montero was hitting for the Yankees what he’s hitting for the Mariners this board would be full of people screaming for him to be sent to the minor leagues. Is he producing more than Russ Martin? Yes.

    But here’s the thing – even a team going no where like the Mariners; who are just trying to build up their young players like Montero, Ackley and Smoak – don’t trust Jesus enough behind the plate to put him there over a putrid hitter in Miguel Olivo. So you have to ask yourself if a veteran team like the Yankees, that is thinking of the playoffs, would put him there either? The answer is no. For the Yankees he would be a part-time DH, rotating in and out of the lineup when Girardi decided to give Alex or Jeter half a day off.

  100. waka flocka July 6th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    if you’re hanging your hat on Montero being better then Martin then you’re grasping at straws and desperate for something positive to say about the kid.

  101. Shame Spencer July 6th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Against All Odds July 6th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    Younger with upside and more importantly able to play a position that he is clearly outhitting our current options

    ———————-

    Very well said

    ———————-

    Don’t forget cheaper… though having a healthy Pineda locked into our rotation at league minimum could make up for that caveat.

  102. Shame Spencer July 6th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    “don’t trust Jesus enough behind the plate to put him there over a putrid hitter in Miguel Olivo.”

    But Chip, your asking the question with a built in assumption. If Montero were a Yankee, I’d never want him catching more than 120 games a season. Ever. See: Mauer.

  103. waka flocka July 6th, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    luis,

    wrong. the trade wasn’t unwarranted. the Yankees were looking to have a rotation of CC, Pineda, Hughes, Nova, and a FA signing. a cheap rotation in order for them to have the money to bring back Cano and Granderson.

  104. Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    Montero’s numbers would be better as a Yankee simply due to not having to play in Safeco. That being said, he would have helped the offense some but i don’t think it would be this huge difference some people think. He wasn’t going to catch a lot here. It wasn’t going to happen. Martin would still get the majority of the starts behind the plate and A-Rod would be playing the field every single game almost. It’s unfortunate that this was a lost year for Pineda but the reports on his rehab are encouraging. If he comes back strong, I love the trade especially with Sanchez putting up Montero-like numbers on the farm.

  105. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    “Is he producing more than Russ Martin? Yes. ”

    Although at the moment, just barely.

    And the Yanks seem to be doing pretty well with Martin/Stewart catching anyway.

  106. luis July 6th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    waka flocka July 6th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    if you’re hanging your hat on Montero being better then Martin then you’re grasping at straws and desperate for something positive to say about the kid.

    ===========================

    All I am saying and have said all along is that the defense Martin brings is not enough to offset his poor offensive production…To be fair though, I understand he is well respected in the club house and that is always a plus.

  107. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    “If Montero were a Yankee, I’d never want him catching more than 120 games a season.”

    I don’t think you’d be in much danger of being disappointed.

  108. Shame Spencer July 6th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    Tyler:

    I think these are the numbers you’re looking for.

    3B - 56 – .246 .347 .412 .759
    DH - 20 – .325 .391 .506 .897

  109. Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    waka flocka July 6th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
    luis,

    wrong. the trade wasn’t unwarranted. the Yankees were looking to have a rotation of CC, Pineda, Hughes, Nova, and a FA signing. a cheap rotation in order for them to have the money to bring back Cano and Granderson.
    —————————————–

    Bingo! The Yanks are going to need cost-controlled guys at key positions in order to make their self-imposed budget cutoff. Pineda as a cost-controlled starter would have (and still likely will be) huge in bringing back Cano. The Yankees need DH free for their older players. Montero wasn’t going to catch much here.

  110. mick July 6th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    Only a matter of time before Alex is a full time DH (no need for Montero then-we sold high):

    Split G GS PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB ROE BAbip tOPS+ sOPS+
    as 3B 56 245 211 35 52 5 0 10 27 6 0 28 54 .246 .347 .412 .759 87 7 5 0 1 1 2 .284 92 107
    as DH 20 87 77 8 25 5 0 3 9 1 0 8 20 .325 .391 .506 .897 39

  111. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    “All I am saying and have said all along is that the defense Martin brings is not enough to offset his poor offensive production…”

    Except that Martin’s offense trails Montero’s currently by .014 OPS.

  112. Shame Spencer July 6th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    What Montero brings to the table this year is only (if even) half of the story… most posters that did not support the trade would be the first to say that they weren’t expecting much from him this season, but were looking forward to what he might become. Obviously, it’s moot now, but I hate when the argument gets so warped it is in no way what is being debated.

  113. Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Shame-

    Thanks! Obviously a smaller sample size at DH but he definitely has been much better there. Strange how some guys really struggle as a DH but some thrive. All mental and preparation based I guess… I don’t think I would have liked to DH.. Playing the field kept me in the game.

  114. Shame Spencer July 6th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    “If Montero were a Yankee, I’d never want him catching more than 120 games a season.”

    I don’t think you’d be in much danger of being disappointed.

    ———————

    …okay?

  115. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    “most posters that did not support the trade would be the first to say that they weren’t expecting much from him this season, but were looking forward to what he might become. ”

    Shame, that’s incorrect. The anti-trade posters originally mostly thought Montero would be good from the get-go, but have changed their tune as Montero has not started as well as most thought he would.

  116. Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    Shame Spencer July 6th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
    What Montero brings to the table this year is only (if even) half of the story… most posters that did not support the trade would be the first to say that they weren’t expecting much from him this season, but were looking forward to what he might become. Obviously, it’s moot now, but I hate when the argument gets so warped it is in no way what is being debated.
    —————————————–

    You’re right, but most posters here did expect a ton from him this year. I bet if we took a poll that the results would have been around .290 25 bombs and 80 RBI. I don’t think he would put that up even on the Yanks this year.

  117. mick July 6th, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    What Montero brings to the table this year is only (if even) half of the story… most posters that did not support the trade would be the first to say that they weren’t expecting much from him this season,
    ========================
    They might say it now, but not upfront for such a “generational” hitter.
    But , we are blockheads says the invisible man.

  118. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    “…okay?”

    OK

  119. Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    For Montero’s sake, this is just a brutal year to be a rookie hitter anyway with Trout toying with the league like he is and those comparisons. Would have been unbelievable if he fell to the Yanks.

  120. Ys Guy July 6th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    randy’s little fantasyland where he throws out montero’s great stats to show how great he is going to be (then drops off before anyone calls him on it) its pretty pathetic.

    he throws this up there like it shows what a great player he’s becoming
    4 Jesus Montero SEA .309 .338 .496 .834

    here is his actual slash line: .245/.281/.376 and .657

    it doesnt matter whether he’s catching, dhing or pinch hitting, those are his stats for his first full half season in the bigs.
    his career stats now, counting his yankee time are: .260/.305/.415/.720 which is not great and dropping very quickly.

  121. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Tyler-

    NYS wouldn’t have helped Montero much so far. This was hashed out at length yesterday.

  122. mick July 6th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    The anti-trade posters originally mostly thought Montero would be good from the get-go, but have changed their tune as Montero has not started as well as most thought he would.
    ====================
    But…but this is what their leader would call “result-oriented” conclusions, which are a taboo and a tool of the baseball ignorant.

  123. luis July 6th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    waka flocka July 6th, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    luis,

    wrong. the trade wasn’t unwarranted. the Yankees were looking to have a rotation of CC, Pineda, Hughes, Nova, and a FA signing. a cheap rotation in order for them to have the money to bring back Cano and Granderson.

    ================================

    Have we needed him? NO…We had plenty of pitching to go to war with, being internal (CC, Nova and Hughes) and could be had through FA (Kuroda, Pettitte) and plenty of depth to spare (Phelps, Mitchell, Joba, Noesi,Warren and Garcia)

    The main culprit to prove this was the case, is that none of the pieces involved in the trade have or will contribute this season. In fact, we don’t even know for a while if they are going to contribute at all in the future. Which brings the point that they traded a more predictable assets in exchange for a far riskier ones.

    But the thing that for me makes this move a disaster is that they enhanced an already strong part of the organization (pitching) at the expense of a clear weakness (offense).

    As for keeping Cano and Granderson, even in your scenario I am not so sure they can keep them both if they want to keep Hughes.

  124. Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    My overall view of the trade (my final opinion on this): Trading Montero was alright for me. I wish we got a little bit more of a sure thing than Pineda but the jury is still out on how he recovers. If Pineda reaches his potential and Montero reaches his, the Yanks did very well in that deal. Can’t ask for more than that.

  125. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 6th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    “Just saying – foolish to think this team isn’t capable of making a huge run. ”

    Okay, I’ve tried to be very understanding and conciliatory about this but enough is enough. Ridiculous to think they ARE capable of making a huge run!

    And oh yeah – you mentioned their pitching – or someone did. You still haven’t told me how three years of declining stats = just you wait and see!

    I think every Yankee is going to have a career year then if you’re willing to dig up old stats and have that be your bible!

    Just like I said earlier – go with name recognition and call it choice real estate when you’re dealing with the Sux. Go with worst case scenario when you’re dealing with the Yanks.

    SUX SUCK. They do and they will continue to.

    If you want to think otherwise, do it up pink. Or red. Or whatever color suits you.

    It has nothing to do with the rivalry waka flocka. Think that and you’re deluding yourself. It has to do with reality.

    Good that someone mentioned that it was the pitching that collapsed last year. The offense won’t be their chief problem.

  126. Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    Wave-

    i know the numbers. I just wonder about the mental aspect of it… gotta be different going up to bat at NYS than Safeco and having the plan in your head.

  127. UnKnown July 6th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    Games are not played on paper but if they were this would truly be another Boston Massacre.

    This Boston team is looking fugly right now.

  128. mick July 6th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    Have we needed him? NO…We had plenty of pitching to go to war with, being internal (CC, Nova and Hughes) and could be had through FA (Kuroda, Pettitte) and plenty of depth to spare (Phelps, Mitchell, Joba, Noesi,Warren and Garcia)
    ================================
    Again, result oriented.
    After the fact 20-20 hindsight.

  129. Ys Guy July 6th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    i keep comparing montero to matt wieters, who was rated higher than montero and for the start of his career, montero has dropped considerably behind what wieters did his first season (96 games).

    weiters is a nice catcher, much better defensively than montero is going to be, and he did make the all star team last season, but he’s not even close to a generational bat. but he started his career off significantly better than montero is doing so far.

  130. mick July 6th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    I wish we got a little bit more of a sure thing than Pineda
    ===================
    tyler-
    no team would pay that price, pineda was the best we could get and it appears we sold high.

  131. Tabbert July 6th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    I don’t understand all the negativity. Arod is no longer the MVP type player he was in his early 30′s… go figure. Our catcher is hitting in the .180′s… which is just sad. Despite all of that, we enter today with the best record in all of baseball. We lost Pineda, Mo, Gardner, have had numerous injuries, and underachieving efforts from a lot of our highest paid players.. but yet we have the best record in baseball. For a team with so many problems…. we have the best record in baseball. That must mean that every other team has 1000x the problems that we do. So, get over it.

  132. luis July 6th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    mick July 6th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    Have we needed him? NO…We had plenty of pitching to go to war with, being internal (CC, Nova and Hughes) and could be had through FA (Kuroda, Pettitte) and plenty of depth to spare (Phelps, Mitchell, Joba, Noesi,Warren and Garcia)
    ================================
    Again, result oriented.
    After the fact 20-20 hindsight.

    =====================================

    I said the same thing in January

  133. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    I sure didn’t think we had solid pitching depth on January 13, 2012. I still don’t.

  134. Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    Ys Guy July 6th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
    i keep comparing montero to matt wieters, who was rated higher than montero and for the start of his career, montero has dropped considerably behind what wieters did his first season (96 games).

    weiters is a nice catcher, much better defensively than montero is going to be, and he did make the all star team last season, but he’s not even close to a generational bat. but he started his career off significantly better than montero is doing so far.
    —————————————–

    Weren’t there rumors that Weiters is going to have to move from behind the plate in the near future? Can’t remember if that was Weiters or not… Weiters was a huge prospect. Hasn’t really fulfilled the hype as of yet but he’s still one of the better overall catchers in the game. That’s why having talented catchers in the system can be so valuable… it’s a tough position.

  135. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    “I said the same thing in January”

    Pettitte was off the radar screen in January.

  136. luis July 6th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    Then in March Wave…Still sound assessment

  137. Jerkface July 6th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    Wieters was a big prospect because he was excellent defensively (elite defender) and profiled as having a good bat.

    Montero’s entire prospect rankings are based on his bat, which speaks highly of what scouts and prognosticators think of it since its very rare for someone with JUST a bat to be ranked in the top 10.

  138. Shame Spencer July 6th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    Wave-

    i know the numbers. I just wonder about the mental aspect of it… gotta be different going up to bat at NYS than Safeco and having the plan in your head.
    ————-

    I doubt Safeco has anything to do with it. What might have helped Montero if he were playing for the Yankees is that he’d be our 8th hitter and have a team with a ton more talent around him than the M’s have right now.

    And you guys can assume whatever you want about the expectations for this season.. no one was penciling in Montero at a .290 clip with 25 HRs, SMH. Long term has always been the focus.. that goes for Montero and Pineda.

  139. Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    mick-

    I liked Pineda (not using hindsight about the injury which obviously affects this). I just didn’t like how he faded pretty badly in the 2nd half last year. He has ace potential but I thought they could have packaged Montero a bit more effectively.

  140. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    “Then in March Wave…”

    But the trade was in January.

  141. mick July 6th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    I said the same thing in January
    Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    I sure didn’t think we had solid pitching depth on January 13, 2012. I still don’t.
    =================================
    just about to say the same thing…

  142. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    Why should it bother somebody that players use a twitter account? Certainly not as bad as somebody that stalks ‘em, copies ‘em and then complains about their use.

  143. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 6th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    And for whoemever reminded us that the Sux started off badly last year and except for the collapse at the end were right in the mix.

    You might want to take a look at last year at this time compared to now:

    2011

    Yanks – 1st place; 51-34
    Sux – 2nd place; 51-35; GB – .5

    2012

    Yanks – 1st place; 49-34
    Sux – 4th place; 42-40; GB – 7.5

    And the Sux have the toughest part of their schedule coming up.

    Just sayin’!

  144. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    “hat might have helped Montero if he were playing for the Yankees is that he’d be our 8th hitter and have a team with a ton more talent around him than the M’s have right now.”

    A few weeks ago people were attributing Cano’s lack of production with RISP on his having no protection in the lineup.

  145. mick July 6th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    He has ace potential but I thought they could have packaged Montero a bit more effectively.
    ================
    tyler
    evidently other GM’s did not.

  146. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 6th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    “Games are not played on paper but if they were this would truly be another Boston Massacre.

    This Boston team is looking fugly right now.”

    Yep

  147. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    trisha-

    Just to be sure I want the Yanks to sweep the Sox this weekend. Kick ‘em while they’re down!

  148. MTU July 6th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    I was one of the original fence sitters on the Montero trade.

    Still am.

    The 5 year prognosis for guys with Labrum injuries is not very good.

    Maybe Pineda will be the exception. I hope so. Just not counting on it.

  149. mick July 6th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    Why should it bother somebody that players use a twitter account?
    ===========================
    why does everything and everybody bother you?

  150. Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    Shame Spencer July 6th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
    Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    Wave-

    i know the numbers. I just wonder about the mental aspect of it… gotta be different going up to bat at NYS than Safeco and having the plan in your head.
    ————-

    I doubt Safeco has anything to do with it. What might have helped Montero if he were playing for the Yankees is that he’d be our 8th hitter and have a team with a ton more talent around him than the M’s have right now.

    And you guys can assume whatever you want about the expectations for this season.. no one was penciling in Montero at a .290 clip with 25 HRs, SMH. Long term has always been the focus.. that goes for Montero and Pineda.
    ————————————–

    People did have Montero down for those numbers even though it was ridiculous. The expectations for Montero for this year were unrealistic by a good majority of the people here and Yankees fans. This was before the season, not talking about revisionist history now. People thought he would put up great, ROY type numbers. The defensive aspect was what people were cautious about. People had no reservations about his bat before this year.

  151. Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    mick July 6th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
    He has ace potential but I thought they could have packaged Montero a bit more effectively.
    ================
    tyler
    evidently other GM’s did not.
    ————————————–

    Jack Z wishes he took Montero instead of Smoak for Lee. He was fortunate he ended up with them both but if we go back in time, he takes the Yanks package. Fortunately for the Yanks he didn’t take that package as he know how Lee resigning woudl have turned out haha.

  152. Shame Spencer July 6th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    “hat might have helped Montero if he were playing for the Yankees is that he’d be our 8th hitter and have a team with a ton more talent around him than the M’s have right now.”

    A few weeks ago people were attributing Cano’s lack of production with RISP on his having no protection in the lineup.

    ———————

    Which has no bearing on my argument – as JF correctly pointed out earlier, if the circumstances were different, we’d have a different team. Better or worse is just for speculation but I was just naming another factor that could have more of an impact than the actual playing field.

    Please stop ignoring the contexts of my posts.

  153. luis July 6th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    Wave,

    What I am trying to convey regardless of names is that we had plenty of depth on the pitching side, none on the offensive side. Montero was our only bat ready or close to be ready for MLB service, the rest just jumped to high A. Our lineup is aging and declining and there is no way around it. If they believed that Montero had no role with the team then trade him for a another bat when the opportunity arises. I said the same thing in January, March and so on. Unfortunately it has proven right.

  154. Shame Spencer July 6th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    MTU July 6th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    I was one of the original fence sitters on the Montero trade.

    —————-

    AHgreed.

  155. Shame Spencer July 6th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    People did have Montero down for those numbers even though it was ridiculous.

    ——————

    I’d just wanna know who they are.. this group of mystery people that won’t seem to self identify. I can’t imagine JAP, blake or fem would have predicted a .290 BA with 25 HR and 80ish RBIs for his rookie year. Luis – am I off base?

  156. Ys Guy July 6th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    hey now, montero is the 24th best starting catcher in the majors…
    …if you dont count his defense…

  157. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    “Which has no bearing on my argument – as JF correctly pointed out earlier, if the circumstances were different, we’d have a different team. Better or worse is just for speculation but I was just naming another factor that could have more of an impact than the actual playing field.”

    Shame, my intent wasn’t to attack you – it’s just to point out the speculation – not by you or just by you – is just running wild trying to hammer the square peg of Montero’s current hitting through the round hole of our expectations for his hitting.

    The notion that Montero would have hit better here is just that, a notion.

  158. Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    luis July 6th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
    Wave,

    What I am trying to convey regardless of names is that we had plenty of depth on the pitching side, none on the offensive side. Montero was our only bat ready or close to be ready for MLB service, the rest just jumped to high A. Our lineup is aging and declining and there is no way around it. If they believed that Montero had no role with the team then trade him for a another bat when the opportunity arises. I said the same thing in January, March and so on. Unfortunately it has proven right.
    —————————————–

    Back in January, I don’t think we had plenty of depth on the pitching side. Unless Betances and Banuelos were being counted as major league depth. We didn’t know we’d have Pettite in January. He helped our depth tremendously.

  159. mick July 6th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    What I am trying to convey regardless of names is that we had plenty of depth on the pitching side, none on the offensive side.
    ====================
    our hitting was 10x more sure than our pitching, cmon luis you say the same thing over and over again , are you sure this isn’t some patriotic stance toward a fellow countryman, no disrespect…

  160. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 6th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    “trisha-

    Just to be sure I want the Yanks to sweep the Sox this weekend. Kick ‘em while they’re down!”

    Wave, I’ll be disappointed if the Yanks make a weak showing, only because you couldn’t have more prime time to kick these jokers in the head!

  161. waka flocka July 6th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    Tyler,

    would have made that trade even if i knew Lee was walking. the Yankees win the World Series if they have Sabathia and Lee heading a playoff rotation.

  162. Shame Spencer July 6th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    “Which has no bearing on my argument – as JF correctly pointed out earlier, if the circumstances were different, we’d have a different team. Better or worse is just for speculation but I was just naming another factor that could have more of an impact than the actual playing field.”

    Shame, my intent wasn’t to attack you – it’s just to point out the speculation – not by you or just by you – is just running wild trying to hammer the square peg of Montero’s current hitting through the round hole of our expectations for his hitting.

    The notion that Montero would have hit better here is just that, a notion.

    ——————–

    I’d say the notion that the expectation were as outlandish as some are charging are also a bit off base. And if we’re basing our assessment on expectations that becomes somewhat problematic.

  163. Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    waka-

    That’s true. I’d hate giving up Montero for half a year of somebody (not debating about Pineda’s injury…. he was seen at the time as a long-term rotation candidate) but when you have the chance to win a title, you have to pay the price to do it.

  164. mick July 6th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    somewhere randy is lurking and smiling as the “anti-Montero blockheads” fall for his trap again…
    thanks for the stimulation tho’, even tho’ this thread was luis’ doing…

  165. UnKnown July 6th, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    Millar and his sidekick Rose said that all the Sux need to do is split this weekend although 3 out of 4 would be preferred.

    I think that a split might be fine if your hopes are just to get in as a wild card team but a split is not ideal if you still want to win the division. At some point you have to start knocking down that number under the GB column.

    A split this weekend favors NYY because nothing changes in the standings and 4 more games are knocked off the schedule.

  166. Ys Guy July 6th, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    …and he’s the 14th best hitting rookie (150+ab)

  167. luis July 6th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    Shame Spencer July 6th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    People did have Montero down for those numbers even though it was ridiculous.

    ——————

    I’d just wanna know who they are.. this group of mystery people that won’t seem to self identify. I can’t imagine JAP, blake or fem would have predicted a .290 BA with 25 HR and 80ish RBIs for his rookie year. Luis – am I off base?

    =============================

    To be honest, I think I might have said that he “could” put 285/25/80 line…About JAP and Fem…They said that he was a potential impact bat, so did I….What most of us were trying to convey is that we needed a bat more than another pitcher

  168. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    For the record, I’m not anti-Montero. But since he’s no longer a Yankee, I can’t say I’m pro-Montero any more either.

  169. ac1 July 6th, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    Tyler,

    would have made that trade even if i knew Lee was walking. the Yankees win the World Series if they have Sabathia and Lee heading a playoff rotation.

    _____

    Lee’s numbers in the WS were terrible!

  170. ac1 July 6th, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    And Millar’s idea the Sox only have to split to consider it a success is something only a deserate homer would say to make himself feel better.

    How does gaining NO ground on the first placed team help the Sox?

  171. luis July 6th, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    Mick,

    I never start the argument…I always respond though, so please don’t misrepresent me please

  172. Ys Guy July 6th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    people are saying that safeco is no good for montero, but really how many other teams would be able to keep giving him at bats at the rate the mariners are? chicago and maybe san diego, houston? on most teams he wouldnt have been kept on the mlb roster long enough to go 5 weeks without one rbi.

  173. Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    I didn’t make a list of specific Montero projections but people expected him to be an impact bat from the beginning with the potential to keep improving. Nobody here would have expected him to be hitting .250 with a sub .300 OBP or been happy with it. The 290/25/80 was my guess as to what the expectations were from reading comments about him in the offseason. The guy had a great September callup and went 2-2 after sitting on the bench for 2 weeks in the playoffs. Expectations were sky high around here, even though those were unfair. Nobody thought he’d struggle like this if he was wearing pinstripes right now.

    and I still think he’s going to be a great, great hitter I’d like to add. But he’s far from an impact bat at this point in time (as a 22 year old).

  174. MTU July 6th, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    Looks like a hung jury to me.

    Retry in the future.

    Might be more of a consensus then.

    ;)

  175. Ys Guy July 6th, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    sorry that should have been 5 weeks with only one rbi.

  176. UnKnown July 6th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    ac1- yeah pretty funny.

    ——

    I really hope that Robbie can come up with an RBI in the next 3 games to tie the all-time Yankee record at 11 straight games.

  177. astrocityfan July 6th, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    Is there a game tonight? you wouldnt know it from all the montero talk :)

    I want to step on the throats of the sox and bury them this weekend! Go yanks!

  178. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 6th, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    “And Millar’s idea the Sox only have to split to consider it a success is something only a deserate homer would say to make himself feel better.

    How does gaining NO ground on the first placed team help the Sox?”

    I wondered the same thing. That makes no sense at all. And since other teams in the division who are ahead of the Sux will also be playing a wash doesn’t seem to benefit their WC chances unless the other teams lose ground. I’d say that either sweeping or 3 out of 4 is what they should be saying they need, (though even that wouldn’t make me feel their chances are any better. Everyone gets up when it’s the Ys.) But at least be sensible!

  179. Ys Guy July 6th, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    this is a great chance to really put space between us and the socks before they start getting thier whole team back. go for the jugular!

  180. luis July 6th, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    About the patriotic stance…I have always said that I had a bias toward Montero, because he was the first Venezuelan to have the chance to be a true Yankee…But I have never let that cloud my judgement about the trade…In fact, I think I made two comments about the trade in January hating the trade…When I cooled down I started posting on the subject.

    And the reason I am such a staunch supporter of the anti-trade faction is that in my mind it was a bad decision from the managerial stand point. Montero being a Venezuelan has nothing to do with it. Your attempts to dismiss my position in laughable to say the least.

  181. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    “What most of us were trying to convey is that we needed a bat more than another pitcher”

    OK, but, in January 2012, the Yanks were coming off of a year in which they scored 5.35 runs a game, just barely behind Boston’s 5.40. They were bring back the same team. ARod wasn’t going anywhere at 3rd, nor Tex at first, nor Jeter at short, nor Cano at second, nor Granderson, Swisher and Gardner in the OF. That left catcher and DH, there weren’t any easily obtainable young good catchers and DH, well we’ve hashed that out, it was needed to rotate the old guys through.

    Pitching, on the other hand, was CC, Kuroda (I think), and a bunch of question marks.

  182. Jerkface July 6th, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    @keithlaw

    Yanks prospect Tyler Austin out of the Futures Game.

  183. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    No, it was CC and a bunch of question markls. I remember now, the trade and the Kuroda acquisition were announced together, Kuroda maybe slightly after the trade announcement.

  184. We Want Mo Mo July 6th, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    I used to go commando for years. Underwear was too restrictive of my …. But since Im about 20 pounds overweight for the past couple years, I got bad chafing, so Ive been wearing underwear for the first time in my life.

  185. Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    Millar’s probably hoping that if the Sox can just tread water, they will take off once they get their injured players back. Problem is the Yanks are going to get injured players back to and the Sox aren’t going to have to just jump the Yanks, they are going to have to jump the O’s, Rays, and contend with the Jays.

  186. We Want Mo Mo July 6th, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    *adult life

  187. Against All Odds July 6th, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    Shame Spencer July 6th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Against All Odds July 6th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    Younger with upside and more importantly able to play a position that he is clearly outhitting our current options

    ———————-

    Very well said

    ———————-

    Don’t forget cheaper… though having a healthy Pineda locked into our rotation at league minimum could make up for that caveat.

    ———————-

    True although the offense would still be a concern

  188. Ys Guy July 6th, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    the fact that the rsn is playing down this series shows you how nervous they are about their team this w/e. i think they feel that personel wise they are as vulnerable right now as they are likely to be all season. the feeling is that if they survive this without being swept they can come back healthier after the break and keep closing ground. but losing 3/4 or being swept (especially coming in on a 3 game losing streak) will put the yankees out of reach.

  189. bruceb July 6th, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    Anyone heard if the poison dwarf is in the Sox lineup tonight?

  190. Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    Adrian Gonzalez with 6 homeruns this year….. but his spray chart predicated he’d have at least 40 by now. :(

  191. luis July 6th, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    Wave,

    I saw the symptoms of the decline in 2011…2012 has just proven my point beyond reasonable doubt.

  192. astrocityfan July 6th, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    What happend to Austin? is he hurt?

  193. Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    bruce-

    Pedroia’s on the DL

  194. astrocityfan July 6th, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    bruce,
    pedroia went on the dl today.

  195. Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    Kuroda was the same night as the trade but slightly after. nobody even talked about his signing because everybody was crying over the trade.

  196. luis July 6th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    Wave,

    We had CC, Kuroda, Nova, Hughes and Garcia, Phelps, Mitchell, Noesi, Joba, Warren as potential candidates for the 5th spot

  197. UnKnown July 6th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    2 thoughts

    1. I can see Adam Dunn being the named comeback player of the year. Guy is 2 different players from last to this year.

    2. How do the Nationals not come up with a better plan for Strasburg than to just shut him down on Sept. 5th. Couldn’t they have either waited to pitch him till later in the year so that he could finish the year OR have him skip a start in between each start or something.

  198. Ys Guy July 6th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    espn posted that middlebrooks took bp today and is hoping to play tomorrow.

  199. MTU July 6th, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    “I saw the symptoms of the decline in 2011″

    Sorry to hear that Luis.

    Varies from person to person.

    :(

  200. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    Sweeny Murti?@YankeesWFAN

    Joba could begin rehab assignment as early as Tuesday.

  201. bruceb July 6th, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    Thank you. Be weird playing a Sox team without Youkilis and Pedroia.

  202. Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    luis-

    Joba wasn’t going to be back until May even before his trampoline injury.

  203. luis July 6th, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    Kuroda was the same night as the trade but slightly after. nobody even talked about his signing because everybody was crying over the trade.

    ==========================

    Tyler,

    I have to commend you for some of your posts, they were very good. We may not have known about Kuroda, but he was certainly being discussed and the FO surely knew by then that he was on the books

  204. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    I saw the symptoms of the decline in 2011…2012 has just proven my point beyond reasonable doubt.

    —————————————————————————————————

    Yeah, but, Montero’s young. He can rebound from his decline.

  205. luis July 6th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    Tyler,

    Granted…Still there were 5 candidates for one spot, that’s a lot of names for the least meaningful spot of the rotation

  206. luis July 6th, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    GB,

    I wasn’t talking about Montero…I was talking about the Yankee offense…But I think you already know that.

  207. Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    luis-

    I appreciate that. There are no wrong sides when it comes to things like this. As long as someone believes strongly in it and can use some fact/logic to back up their opinion, then it makes for a great debate. In the end, we are all Yanks fans anyway so lets focus on beating up those Red Sox tonight!

  208. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 6th, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    “Anyone heard if the poison dwarf is in the Sox lineup tonight?”

    one poison dwarf – to the DL!

  209. luis July 6th, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    MTU July 6th, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    “I saw the symptoms of the decline in 2011?

    Sorry to hear that Luis.

    Varies from person to person.

    :(

    ============================

    MTU,

    ALDS was a mayor wake up call for me and their constant struggle against RHP. I never expected it to be so pronounced in this season

  210. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    luis-

    Kuroda was being discussed here, but there were no reports that the Yanks were going to sign him. It came out of the blue. It was CC and question marks.

    As for the offense, luis, you may have believed you saw symptoms of decline but the Yanks still scored 5.35 R/G in 2011, and more importantly, none of those players you saw were going anywhere. This young offensive player you wanted is a fantasy, there was no place to put him and as far as I can tell none available assuming there was a place, which again there wasn’t.

    Anyway, it’s clear none of us is changing our minds today so best wishes to you and I hope the Yanks sweep the Sox.

  211. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    “Yeah, but, Montero’s young. He can rebound from his decline.”

    LOL

  212. Ys Guy July 6th, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    unknown, here’s the thing about using a young pitcher. when they are healthy you need them to pitch, to learn to stretch themselves out and to succeed or at least learn by failure. you want them to raise their IP every year by 30 or so. you have to allow for some downtime in case they get hit in the kneecap or tweak thier hammy running the bases.

    if you shut them down and wait at the beginning of the season, then if they get shut down at any point during the year, they will not raise thier innings pitched and you will face the same innings limits next year that you had to deal with this year.

    strasburg was coming back off surgery and was healthy and pitching great in ST. you have to get him out there and pitch him. the nats certainly expected to be improved this year with strassburg coming back and harper on the doorstep but you also have to expect that they didnt expect this year to be thier big year. they are much more likely focused on next year as thier year to go for the brass ring. whatever they get this year is just gravy.

    they want strasburg to get his innings up as quickly as possible year to year and the best way to do that was to just let him go once he was healthy in ST and that’s what they are doing.

    in the long run that is what’s best for the nationals and they will deal with whatever comes this year to keep the future as bright as possible.

    i think they are handling strassburg the right way.

  213. We Want Mo Mo July 6th, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    luis, dont assume GB7 knows what youre talking about. He has trouble with reading comprehension.

  214. luis July 6th, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    Tyler July 6th, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    luis-

    I appreciate that. There are no wrong sides when it comes to things like this. As long as someone believes strongly in it and can use some fact/logic to back up their opinion, then it makes for a great debate. In the end, we are all Yanks fans anyway so lets focus on beating up those Red Sox tonight!

    =====================================

    Tyler,

    I couldn’t agree more with this take! ;)

  215. MTU July 6th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    Luis-

    I was just joking with you (as usual) but something must have gotten lost in the translation.

    I was referring to YOUR decline. You said it started in 2011.

    Mine started when I turned 50.

    Anyway nevermind. Continue being serious.

    Did you know that people who laugh a lot live longer ?

    :)

  216. fiveironfromfenway July 6th, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    Heading to Fenway now. Hoping to make it back alive.

  217. luis July 6th, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    luis-

    Kuroda was being discussed here, but there were no reports that the Yanks were going to sign him. It came out of the blue. It was CC and question marks.

    As for the offense, luis, you may have believed you saw symptoms of decline but the Yanks still scored 5.35 R/G in 2011, and more importantly, none of those players you saw were going anywhere. This young offensive player you wanted is a fantasy, there was no place to put him and as far as I can tell none available assuming there was a place, which again there wasn’t.

    Anyway, it’s clear none of us is changing our minds today so best wishes to you and I hope the Yanks sweep the Sox.

    =======================================

    Wave,

    Same from here…There is nothing wrong with opposing positions…I certainly wish you the best as well my friend ;)

  218. We Want Mo Mo July 6th, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    fiveiron, if youre an African American Yankees fan, dont count on it…

  219. luis July 6th, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    MTU July 6th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    Luis-

    I was just joking with you (as usual) but something must have gotten lost in the translation.

    I was referring to YOUR decline. You said it started in 2011.

    Mine started when I turned 50.

    Anyway nevermind. Continue being serious.

    Did you know that people who laugh a lot live longer ?

    :)

    =======================================

    LMAO!!! Your one of kind my friend!! I haven’t turned 50 yet but getting close…I’ll let you know when i get there! ;)

    About laughing….You use less muscles so you may have point!

  220. EA July 6th, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    Millar’s probably hoping that if the Sox can just tread water, they will take off once they get their injured players back

    ————-

    Agree, but the thing is, the Sox have taken off before too, only to slide back and not sustain it.

    Started 4-10, then went 7-1 in their next 8 in April
    Started May 1-8, then finished the month 16-5
    Went 1-7 in early June, then went 11-3 in their next 14
    Now they started the month on a 2-5 WC trip

    They seem to erase most of their progress at the beginning of each month, only to finish the month strong before sliding again to open the next month. It’s not like they’ve been consistantly a .500 team, they’ve been unbelieveably streaky. They don’t just have like a 3-4 week, they’ll either go 601

  221. MTU July 6th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    Luis-

    We are all just circling the drain.

    Better to laugh than cry about it.

    Haven’t seen your countrymen around, and he never sent me those pictures.

    Oh well.

    :(

  222. Ys Guy July 6th, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    from peter abraham, ebb blog:

    RED SOX (42-40)
    Nava LF
    Kalish CF
    Ortiz DH
    Ross RF
    Gonzalez 1B
    Saltalamacchia C
    Gomez 3B
    Aviles SS
    Punto 2B
    Pitching: RHP Josh Beckett (4-7, 4.06)

    YANKEES (49-32)
    Jeter SS
    Granderson CF
    Rodriguez DH
    Cano 2B
    Teixeira 1B
    Swisher RF
    Ibanez LF
    Chavez 3B
    Martin C
    Pitching: RHP Hiroki Kuroda (8-7, 3.17)

  223. UnKnown July 6th, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    Good stuff there YS Guy. Nice Take.

    Have a blast 5 iron. Cheer loud but don’t get killed.

  224. luis July 6th, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    Sorry to hear MTU…He is a doctor though…He may not have as much time in his hands as we do…He will though, he told he will send you some nice picks your way

  225. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    Marc Carig?@MarcCarig

    “With friends like that, who needs enemies?” ARod on Reggie

    Marc Carig?@MarcCarig

    ARod and Reggie have talked. ARod wanted to keep conversation details private.

    Marc Carig?@MarcCarig

    ARod laughed about the flap. Says he wants to keep their follow up conversation private.

  226. luis July 6th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    Fiveiron,

    Have a blast!! especially when we kick their rear!!

  227. tomingeorgia July 6th, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    Whatever the drug of choice was then, Reggie was on it.

  228. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    Wade is definately being called up for Saturday double header.

  229. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    Marc Carig?@MarcCarig

    @eboland11 asked Alex if Reg is still going to be his press secretary. “I’ll have to think about that one,” Alex said.

  230. ZMAN July 6th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    “Nava LF
    Kalish CF
    Ortiz DH
    Ross RF
    Gonzalez 1B
    Saltalamacchia C
    Gomez 3B
    Aviles SS
    Punto 2B”

    If Kuroda can’t throw a gem against this lineup, it will be a problem. If this is the type of lineup we’ll be seeing all weekend, then we need to win 3\4 and our starters need to pitch well. Probably the weakest Sox lineup that the Sox have thrown out in a decade in a Yanks/Sox series,

  231. ZMAN July 6th, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    Why does Reggie need to apologize and why does Arod need an explanation? Reggie was 100% right in everything he said.

    Now, he was dumb for saying it, but it is the elephant in the room, re: ARod using steroids tarnishing his numbers. He wasn’t wrong though and doesn’t need to apologize for saying it.

  232. MTU July 6th, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    By the way, What the heck is Pedro Gomez doing playing 3rd ?

    I thought he was just a talking head but I guess the Sux were just flat out desperate.

  233. We Want Mo Mo July 6th, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    The hunt for a new cohort to Kelly Ripa is down to 3 people. Seth Meyers, a Red Sox fan, and Michael Strahan, are two of the 3. And of course the scummy Red Sox fan is the frontrunner.

  234. MTU July 6th, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    Proximo Hilo —–>

  235. Ys Guy July 6th, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    that rs lineup does look pretty pathetic. salty is leading al catchers in hr’s and ortiz is having a great year, gonzo was better in june than he started out, but the rest of them should be on the bench or in pawtucket.

    but beware, these guys are all professionals and the yankees will have to play well to beat them. we know beckett is capable of throwing a gem and the yankees have looked bad in series against the likes of cincinati and kansas city.

    jump on them and don’t give them a chance to get up all weekend!

  236. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    ZMAN July 6th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
    Why does Reggie need to apologize and why does Arod need an explanation? Reggie was 100% right in everything he said.

    Now, he was dumb for saying it, but it is the elephant in the room, re: ARod using steroids tarnishing his numbers. He wasn’t wrong though and doesn’t need to apologize for saying it.

    —————————————————————————————————

    Because Jackson is part of the Yankee organization. He’s never been overly bright about what he says. Rodriguez never quit on his team. Jackson did, more than once. His mouth is one reason he bounced from team o team.

  237. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    I’d have as much concern about Mike avilles as any of them. He’s an annoying hitter and fielder.

  238. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    Jerry Crasnick?@jcrasnick

    MLB execs are saying the new draft pick compensation rules could put a damper on deadline trade action. I’m hearing that a lot.


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