Report: Reggie barred from team events
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 09, 2012 
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According to ESPN’s Buster Olney, Reggie Jackson has been told to stay away from Yankees team events following his comments about Alex Rodriguez, Andy Pettitte and various Hall of Famers in the most recent issue of Sports Illustrated.
Among other things, Jackson told SI that Rodriguez’s numbers are tainted by steroids, which creates questions about Rodriguez’s Hall of Fame chances.
“I think there are real questions about his numbers,” Jackson said. “As much as I like him, what he admitted about his usage does cloud some of his records.”
Of course, there’s very little Jackson said that’s new. Perhaps we didn’t know that he doesn’t think Gary Carter is a Hall of Famer, but it’s hardly breaking new ground to say that Rodriguez’s records are clouded because of steroids. The bigger issue seems to be the distraction Jackson has caused. Rodriguez had to answer questions about the comments this weekend, and it was noticed by just about everyone that Jackson was missing from such a high profile series.
did the article go on to discuss the shallow RF pop-up that Reggie dropped in Dodger stadium, which turned the whole 1981 Series?
That’s dumb. Reggie was only being honest.
re-query:
Which player will appear in a minor league game first in 2012?
A. Tim Lincecum
B. Jesus Montero
C. Neither player will appear in a MiL game in 2012
Reggie saying that Carter and Puckett dont belong would be about like Burt Blylevin claiming Jack Morris isnt a HOFer…..Reggie isnt Willie Mays…..hes about as borderline as any of those guys are.
Lincecum needs a phantom DL.
If Betances finds command (whether it’s a physical or mental problem), he’s better than any prospect we have. That’s a big “if” though. That’s the problem with a guy like Betances, you are afraid to trade him because of what he could possibly become, but he could also be a big bust.
Id much rather keep Phelps than Betances …..Phelps’s floor is a 4th or 5th starter…..Betances’s floor is ex baseball player
Marc Carig ?@MarcCarig
RT @DanBarbarisi: NYY official: “He did what Reggie always does – insults everybody. He’s an equal opportunity insulter, on a yearly basis.”
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LMAO.. this just keeps getting better. I really do love how the Yankees operate. They could have slapped Reggie on the wrist and kept quiet about it.. but with a few baseball free days ahead… why not let Reggie wallow in his own bad PR?
Reggie has the right to his opinions and comments.
the Yankees have the right to not like it and punish him for it. No high profile employee of a team should stir up negative thoughts and covnersations about one of the players.
i’m glad they’ve gagged that pompous jerk
he’s getting extra bad P.R. because everyone in baseball will be talking about what a stupid thing it was to say (about alex) and what a classless thing it was to say about fellow members of the Hall and what a disgraceful thing it is to say about a man who died just a few months ago.
It’s obvious the Yankees have gone Corporate. This is what we woulda expected outta CBS’s ownership back in the 60′s. A lot of us remember the comments consistently coming outta The Bronx Zoo back in the 70′s, that make Reggie’s comment pale in comparison. Of course, George was running the team back then, Not the suits and bean counters that are currently calling the shots.
Betances’s floor is ex baseball player
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Not buying it.
He may well be traded, because of the 40-man spot and because there’s going to be some maintenance here, which the Yankees don’t do well.
The risk of getting rid of him is on the order of Mark Langston-Randy Johnson.
blake July 9th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Id much rather keep Phelps than Betances …..Phelps’s floor is a 4th or 5th starter…..Betances’s floor is ex baseball player
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But Betances’ ceiling is 1/2. That’s the problem.
I’m not necessarily saying I wouldn’t include him in a deal though, especially if it keeps Banuelos out. But I don’t think Betances and Banuelos have close to the same value atm.
Pretty silly by the Yanks if you ask me. I’m not a huge Reggie fan, but he’s entitled to his opinion. And yes, he works for the Yanks and if they want to suspend him, it’s their right. But the silly part is that they just made this a bigger story than it was last week.
At least Arod isnt in KC to answer a million questions about it.
Huh, does Jackson usually show up at Fenway?
Like I said, kinda silly. But I think it’s mire of a lie low kind of thing.
Someone in the last thread made a good point.
Reggie gets paid by the Yankees. So, he can’t really say what he wants. How badly does he want to speak his mind? Enough to give up what he gets paid to be the special advisor or whatever it is he does?
Anyway, nothing really wrong with what he said, but maybe he should have held back a bit.
86w183 July 9th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Reggie has the right to his opinions and comments.
the Yankees have the right to not like it and punish him for it. No high profile employee of a team should stir up negative thoughts and covnersations about one of the players.
i’m glad they’ve gagged that pompous jerk
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Completely agree.
Imagine what it will be like when, in 20 years, when guys like Jeter, Andy, CC and Mo are hanging around the clubhouse. We’re lucky to have so many class acts on this team right now.
But I’m glad the Yankees took some kind of stance. Just weird that they “punished” someone. Cuz, like, they never do.
“But Betances’ ceiling is 1/2. That’s the problem”
Sure….but what are the chances he reaches it? Randy Johnsons are extremely rare….guys that big that arent good athletes dont magically become good athletes. Im pulling for him but Id rather have Phelps…..
I’d trade just about anyone other than Cano to get Upton, but I don’t think the Yanks have what the DBacks are looking for.
CountryClub July 9th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Pretty silly by the Yanks if you ask me. I’m not a huge Reggie fan, but he’s entitled to his opinion. And yes, he works for the Yanks and if they want to suspend him, it’s their right. But the silly part is that they just made this a bigger story than it was last week.
At least Arod isnt in KC to answer a million questions about it.
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If Alex were there, there’d be no leaks of this info.
Unlike the Yankee baseball operations department, I’ve never lost faith in the Yankees PR team. The Yankees PR team always knows what they’re doing.. remember when the Mets got mad they leaked that story about them blocking the AAA team from Newark.
“The risk of getting rid of him is on the order of Mark Langston-Randy Johnson.”
Eh….I dont think so….but there would be some risk sure. As I always say….I hope youre right…
Reggie is self aggrandizing. It’s like a sickness with some people. What he said was stupid.
Jeter will be Yogi in 40 yrs. There will be Jeterisms. Jeter is wry like Yogi, but not as efficient. I noticed in Jeter’s quotes, he says the same thing three times. Like everytime. I guess that’s how you avoid saying too much. Repeating yourself!
Can we include Reggie in a deal for Upton….?
Hey guys, I already posted this at night in a game thread so my apologies if you’ve already read it. But I wanted to do it one more time during the day. I promised my friend Ben that I would drop a link to his blog on here. He’s trying to get a bit more exposure for the blog. It’s just general baseball, but every now and then he will talk about something broad in sports. Some of his posts are really good reads and very thoughtful. Check it out if you feel like it. Here’s the link:
http://summerpastime.blogspot.com/
Thanks. Haven’t had much time to post lately. Gotta go, have a great day everyone.
Crash Davis coached Jeter on interviews.
Like everytime. I guess that’s how you avoid saying too much. Repeating yourself!
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by the time jeter is yogis age he might be as sharp…
how did goose get under this lohud radar?
Whatever you may think of Reggie, he did achieve his numbers on the fair-and-square, and as a member of The Hall, does have the right to comment on who else should be admitted to this Elite body. As for A-Rod, the guy cheated, got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, and had better get used to suffering the consequences in the public arena for the remainder of his life.
god forbid if alex ever says anything bad about someone…
DONNYBROOK July 9th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Whatever you may think of Reggie, he did achieve his numbers on the fair-and-square, and as a member of The Hall, does have the right to comment on who else should be admitted to this Elite body.
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No one argues his right to free speech. He can say what he wants, so can everyone else.
And as for this:
“As for A-Rod, the guy cheated, got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, and had better get used to suffering the consequences in the public arena for the remainder of his life.”
What about Andy???????????????
Whatever you may think of Reggie, he did achieve his numbers on the fair-and-square,
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This isn’t proven fact.
“Whatever you may think of Reggie, he did achieve his numbers on the fair-and-square”
How do you know?
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So the same goes for Mays, Mantle, etc ??? Come on now.
He did more than comment on who should be included, he spoke against his own fellow HoF inductees. He can say what he wants, and like A-rod reaping what is sown he can reap as well.
“So the same goes for Mays, Mantle, etc ??? Come on now.”
Sure…they both took amphetamines….who knows what else they took.
So the same goes for Mays, Mantle, etc ??? Come on now.
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Uh yea, it does in fact go for them. Players have been injecting, ingesting, rubbing, snorting, and whatever else junk since the game began to get an edge.
Cano said in the Derby interview that he got in at 5am this morning. Probably not going to help his chances, but I am sure the adrenaline will take over.
Go Cano. I want to see a lot of Ca-Yes’s!!
What To Do About Timmy is a major topic of conversation on the local sports talk station, which is also the Giants’ flagship station. He currently possesses the worst ERA of any starter in baseball. The worst. His next start is Saturday at home vs. the Astros. Doubtful anything happens before that start.
But after that, pending results, he could go down, either via an option or through phantom DL rehab stint. It’s already been floated by the Giant’s color guy, Mike Krukow, on the radio. It had been pointed out that Krukow wouldn’t be talking about that if the Giants weren’t talking about it.
So Lincecum to the minors, one way or another, could very well happen.
El Guerrero:
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play......d=11294919
As I have said before, the cannibilism around here Never stops. And once again, there is NO comparison between amphetamines and steroids. None. The numbers Skyrocketed during the steroid era.
Which is why I wouldn’t hold out guys who got caught. A-rod is not even close to being ‘borderline’, he is an inner circle 1st ballot guy. HGH or no HGH. Gotta be in the hall. Same with Pete Rose. Betting has nothing to do with destroying the hits record.
I’m obviously a huge Pettite fan but Reggie also lost me when saying that Pettite should be an exception. First of all, Pettite isn’t a Hall of Famer in my mind. He’s been a very good pitcher for a very long time but I’ve always thought the Hall should be for the dominant players of a generation. I want Pettite in the big game but never thought of him as one of the top 5 best pitchers of this generation.
Jim Callis jimcallisBA
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Keep hearing Pirates won’t give up 1st-rder, which means $3,837,575 max. Not sure what he’ll do. Buccos4Life: Any word on Appel? mlbdraf
As I have said before, the cannibilism around here Never stops. And once again, there is NO comparison between amphetamines and steroids. None. The numbers Skyrocketed during the steroid era.
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You say a lot of things. The numbers skyrocketed because of a different ball, expansion, smaller stadiums, better bats, harder thrown pitches, not because of steroids.
“As I have said before, the cannibilism around here Never stops. And once again, there is NO comparison between amphetamines and steroids. None. The numbers Skyrocketed during the steroid era”
What about in the 50s when parks were a lot bigger and guys were still hitting 40 + homers? We have no idea what those guys did or didnt do….
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So why didn’t the stadiums, parks, bats, and all the other baloney you sight, inflate the numbers of ALL players??? If that is the best defense you got, your better off remaining silent and just taking The 5th.
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Innocent Until proven guilty. We Know that A-Rod and McGwire used. Leave Reggie, Mantle, Mays, and the 50′s guys alone.
Jeter was on Sirius with Russo today:
http://siriusxmsports.posterou.....repr-42989
So why didn’t the stadiums, parks, bats, and all the other baloney you sight, inflate the numbers of ALL players???
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It did, that is why the average hitter is better now than they were before. Of course there are going to be exceptional individuals that are very good in any era.
DONNYBROOK July 9th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
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Innocent Until proven guilty. We Know that A-Rod and McGwire used. Leave Reggie, Mantle, Mays, and the 50?s guys alone.
… what about ANDY?!
“Innocent Until proven guilty. We Know that A-Rod and McGwire used. Leave Reggie, Mantle, Mays, and the 50?s guys alone.”
Sure….but those guys didnt have anybody question what they were doing…..bottom line is we have no idea…..nobody should know Arod used to this day and nobody would if he hadnt had his rights violated. Its easy to just assume that everybody before 1995 or whenever was clean…..but its highly unlikely that was the case.
Innocent Until proven guilty. We Know that A-Rod and McGwire used. Leave Reggie, Mantle, Mays, and the 50?s guys alone.
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We know they used banned substances. And Mantle injected testosterone in his leg which caused him to miss time.
How do we know there’s a big difference between amphetamines and steroids? Maybe they do different things but do different things well. Can you link to any scientific studies comparing amphetamines and steroids? In fact, can you link to any scientific studies of steroids affecting baseball production?
“How do we know there’s a big difference between amphetamines and steroids? ”
We dont
I’d rather keep the farm, sign Melky for the 12 million AAV due to J. Upton and reload the farm by trading Granderson.
Melky + the farm is worth far more than J. Upton and is far more diversified.
Blake
Love him or hate him there is nothing borderline about Reggie’s career. He won 5 world series rings and was the driving force on those teams. He was THE most feared power hitter in the 70′s and was a dynamic player- not just home run hitter – on those A’s teams.
When he retired only 5 guys hit more HRs than him.
I mean he had a candy bar named after him!!!!
contract talks between the Yankees and first round pick Ty Hensley are complete. Now they’re just waiting on Hensley to decide whether he wants to turn pro for millions of dollars or follow through on his commitment to Ole Miss. The deadline to sign draft picks is 4pm ET this Friday.
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Thoughts?
He going to Gerritt Cole us?
Pretty cool that both Cano and Melky are hitting 2nd. I expect Melky to be Cano’s biggest fan tonight in the derby.
You cant get Melky for whats left on Uptons contract….and unfortunately that matters…..
didn’t Hensley talk all about how he wanted to be an early sign and make the majors by the time he was 21?
Tyler,
Do you think anyone urged Cano to recruit Melky or do you think Cano will do it on his own accord?
yes tyler, but i hope you werent buying into that when he said it….
didn’t Hensley talk all about how he wanted to be an early sign and make the majors by the time he was 21?
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Probably before he realized there was a cap.
For how many years were players using amphetamines? How many players hit 60+ HR’s during that time. How many years were players using steroids? How many players hit 60+ HR’s during that time? And those that did hit 60+ HR’s, are Known steroid users. I’m Not even gonna get into the decline of HR’s immediately after testing started. It’s ridiculous to think that amphetamines aided players to the extent that steroids did.
ac1-
I wasn’t but it’s just frustrating. I know how the draft works but in baseball I would take the first round bonus and run. Just take classes during the offseason.
“Love him or hate him there is nothing borderline about Reggie’s career.”
Lower career OPS than Jim Rice…..a zillion Ks …bad defense……maybe he was a HOFer….but the point was thats he has no business telling other HOFers they shouldnt be.
The difference between the money left on Upton’s contract and Melky’s total contract is not enough of a savings to sacrifice the remains of the farm. Instead of gutting the farm for a player we should be pillaging another team’s farm system for Granderson. There’s (Granderson’s next contract) the missing money between Upton and Melky.
Jerkface July 9th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
didn’t Hensley talk all about how he wanted to be an early sign and make the majors by the time he was 21?
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Probably before he realized there was a cap.
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He better have a nice career at Ole Miss then and rise in the draft because the cap is going anywhere.
wasn’t but it’s just frustrating. I know how the draft works but in baseball I would take the first round bonus and run. Just take classes during the offseason.
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i said the same thing. you can always go to college after baseball, if it doesnt work out (you will still be pretty young when you figure out if it doesnt work out.
Bret-
I’m sure Cano and Melky still talk frequently. I don’t think Cano will do much recruiting. Maybe they will talk a little about it in the offseason but I don’t think Cano will influence Melky too much. It’s going to come down to who throws Melky the most money as he’s never really had this opportunity to get a big contract before.
“For how many years were players using amphetamines? How many players hit 60+ HR’s during that time. How many years were players using steroids? How many players hit 60+ HR’s during that time? And those that did hit 60+ HR’s, are Known steroid users. I’m Not even gonna get into the decline of HR’s immediately after testing started.”
That’s not particularly convincing.
I think/Hope Hensley signs….any time a pitcher gets chosen in the first round its a gamble to not sign….
I wonder if Jeter would want Melky to come back to the team…
“The difference between the money left on Upton’s contract and Melky’s total contract is not enough of a savings to sacrifice the remains of the farm.”
Melky is also older and doesnt have the upside Upton does…..we are probably seeing Melkys peak right now
Jerkface July 9th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
So the same goes for Mays, Mantle, etc ??? Come on now.
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Uh yea, it does in fact go for them. Players have been injecting, ingesting, rubbing, snorting, and whatever else junk since the game began to get an edge.
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OFT
Tell ppl don’t actually think the steroid era started in the 90s with the Bash Brothers
****Tell me*****
ac1-
A kid from my high school was drafted in the 6th round by the Reds (the cap wasn’t around then) signed but didn’t make it above A ball. He passed up a Mizzou scholarship but took some classes and is doing fine now. I was drafted too a few years later by the Cardinals but passed because the bonus wasn’t enough and went to Mizzou. Blew out my knee and that was the end of that.
College is great for maturation and if Hensley thinks he needs that time then so be it. But if he really wants to be a big league player and believes in his abilities, he’s got a great chance to sign now and get moving.
JAP,
Loved the video…The moment we found out about Nova´s moxie!
About Phelps and Betances…Sure Phelps is ready right now and his floor as a result is more predictable. But Betances ceiling is far to great to ignore. I would keep them both for the time being.
Bret,
Spot on
Bret,
I wouldnt have a problem with your plan….I just dont think theyll spend the money…..and Im still not sold that Melky is this player long term….
They didn’t have the high-tech labs like Balco back then but I’m sure those players messed around with certain things. As it’s been said, there just wasn’t as much scruitny or knowledge about the stuff back then.
How about trade for Upton AND sign Melky!….nah….thatd be too Yankees for the new Yankees.
Bret,
I know this will excite you, but why can’t the Yankees trade the farm for Justin Upton now, then sign Melky as a free agent and deal Granderson or Gardner in the off season?
An OF of Upton, Melky and Gardner would be quite cost effective, young, athletic, etc.
By no means do I want to get rid of Grandy. I love the guy. But if he’s going to need 18 million plus per year in an extension we can’t keep him and Cano.
Trade for Upton. Take a shot at signing Melky for 4 for 48 million and keep Gardner and you’ll have an OF making between 25-30 million total.
That said, I think the Yankees front office are very attached to Grandy and his public image.
But they do have a chance to make a bold stroke, change the offense to more speed/contact and improve overall defense while getting younger if they somehow pulled it off.
Nobody even questions how Mantle was able to play through all those injuries……not accusing….just saying….
Nick about your question:
Lincecum goes to the DL with a phantom injury. Montero might go down, but I don´t think is necessary.
G. Love,
You were right!
Gotta run to the gym. Later dudes and dudettes.
I go back and forth about trading for Upton (assuming the Yanks even have the right pieces in the first place). Part of me remembers Kemp always being up and down but talented enough to be a superstar like he is now. But then I don’t like the injury reports on Upton.
Anyone who gets a cortisone shot is using a steroid, and it is performance enhancing because they could not perform without it. Ban everyone from the HOF.
Reggie hasn’t changed much in 35 years.
http://www.bronxbanterblog.com.....mans-land/
G. Loves plan is good…..they wont do it though cauze the offense is fine
I’m guessin’ whether Upton goes or not, will be decided by the owner. Tower’s did Not trade him a year ago, and I do Not see him wanting to deal Upton now. I watched a couple D Back games over the weekend, and the Arizona crowd was booing Upton pretty good, even though he was hitting decently. The Yanks have the opportunity to get Upton atta bargain\knee jerk price, courtesy of an impulsive owner.
I think Arizona wants offense they can use now in return for Upton, and I don’t see where the Yanks can help.
I’d like Upton, but he does have the potential to disappoint.
blake,
The offense is fine as long as someone tells Verlander, the Angels pitchers, the Rays pitchers and the Rangers staff, etc. that they have to give up HR’s.
That said, if the current Cano shows up in the post season, it may not matter. He can carry this team himself.
And we all know Russell Martin is going to end the season hitting .150 and then be World Series MVP, right? That’s how this always works.
Jerkface July 9th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Anyone who gets a cortisone shot is using a steroid, and it is performance enhancing because they could not perform without it. Ban everyone from the HOF.
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The difference is that the administration of a cortisone shots are legal in baseball but these other forms of steroids aren’t. It’s all about semantics and the baseball rule book. I agree with you though that performance enhancers have been in the game for a long, long time. Now laboratories like BALCO might have produced the best enhancers the game has ever seen but regardless players have been doing it for a while. Anything to get an edge.
“It’s all about semantics and the baseball rule book.”
As a fan I find it hard to get all hot and bothered about that.
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Same here. I like to just sit back and enjoy watching the game. The “Steroid Era” involved a lot of guys taking them. The creme of the players still rose to the top. I’d love to watch a perfectly clean game (the game has improved in this area) but I’m just going to enjoy no matter what.
G LOve,
I forgot to put a sarcasm note on my post…..I think their offense is good enough this year if they pitch really well and Cano mashes…..but next year Swisher will be gone…..Arod will be 38, Jeter will be 39, Jones and Ibanez may be gone…Tex and Grandy wilk be a year older erc…..I hope they are considering that…
The difference is that the administration of a cortisone shots are legal in baseball but these other forms of steroids aren’t. It’s all about semantics and the baseball rule book. I agree with you though that performance enhancers have been in the game for a long, long time. Now laboratories like BALCO might have produced the best enhancers the game has ever seen but regardless players have been doing it for a while. Anything to get an edge.
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Yea I know, but they should not be banned is my point. There is nothing wrong with players reaching physical potential through science. Doctors were developing a pill that would cause increased natural HGH production in the body. HGH is already produced naturally, but a pill to produce more of it could be incredibly beneficial for recovery.
The only thing I like about the new CBA is that it is going to force the FO to rely in their own talent pool. They need to rebuild the core of the team and in my view that core has to be homegrown in order to have sustainable success. Even though I find G Love´s idea very enticing, this kind of moves would defeat the whole process of the team´s renewal.
I would keep the farm, trade Granderson and sign Melky. We reinforce the farm with the prospects that come from Grandy´s trade, we might even get a corner outfielder. This way you get younger, you keep the farm to grow the next core and at the same time you stay competitive and able to keep Hughes .
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The best players put up the best numbers regardless. The best players of the steroid era were the ones who hit the best. Barry Bonds was an extremely talented player. He wasn’t some scrub who happened to hit 73 homeruns. I believe that steroids added to that total (through recovery and pure strength) but the guy was simply more talented than the other users.
Guys like Barry Bonds and Alex Rodriguez are the ultimate teammates. They sacrifice their body just to help the team. Players that use steroids should get more consideration for the hall of fame, not less.
Patrick July 9th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Guys like Barry Bonds and Alex Rodriguez are the ultimate teammates. They sacrifice their body just to help the team. Players that use steroids should get more consideration for the hall of fame, not less.
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Using steroids isn’t a selfless act.
Tyler,
Bonds was an incredible gifted player…i just don´t think he would have ended with the numbers he had if he wasn´t helped by steroids. He wasn´t a big power thread in his prime, he became the power thread in the years that he was supposed to decline.
I wouldnt trade the entire farm for Upton….but I do think its a rare opportunity to get a player that could anchor the lineup for a decade at his age.
I’m no fan of Reggie’s, but what he says we all know to be true —- that the questions about Arod’s usage of substances clouds his record and will be a factor in the voting for the HOF? Isn’t the real problem all of the media types who keep bugging Arod for a response?
luis-
Steroids lengthened Bonds’ career for sure. He never would have ended up breaking Aaron’s record or coming close without them. I think he should be a 1st ballot HOF for his entire body of work. Steroids added power through recovery in training and added strength. But he was still phenomenal. The guy got 1 good pitch to hit if he was lucky most nights and he hit that pitch for a homerun. It was the most amazing thing I’ve ever seen.
He wasn´t a big power thread in his prime, he became the power thread in the years that he was supposed to decline.
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This is actually completely wrong, check the stats!
So Now the motivation for taking steroids was for The Team’s Benefit??? HAHAHAHAHAHA.
Bonds was a 40-40 guy in his prime. He never was close to Maris’ record or 73 homeruns before that. I’d call him a power threat but he didn’t look like the greatest homerun hitter of all time until his last 30s
Tyler,
I agree with you that he is a HOFer, even before the steroids. But those HR numbers should be scratched
Who cares what the home run record is anyway.
DONNYBROOK July 9th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
So Now the motivation for taking steroids was for The Team’s Benefit??? HAHAHAHAHAHA.
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Yeah that’s pretty ridiculous. In “Game of Shadows”, Bonds’ first asked Anderson about steroids after a road trip to St. Louis. He saw McGwire taking BP and how everybody gathered around him. Bonds’ ego was hurt badly by this since he knew McGwire was on the juice. He then figured if McGwire could get all that attention, he could do even better with his talent and people would appreciate him more. He got put in contact with Victor Conte and the rest is history.
Patrick,
What I meant to say is that he wasn´t a Mantle type of thread or Maris or Ruth. He was a power hitter ( 30-40 maybe ) but never 73, especially at 40 years old
Threat sorry
If Maris would have done what he did in 2002 everyone would have been sure he took steroids….he never even hit 40 another year and only 30 two other times.
Reggie just can’t help himself. Guy always loved to bring attention to himself whether good or bad. I know he entitle to his opinion but what purpose did his comments serve but to get him in trouble? There is nothing positive that could have come out of those comments and i’m really surprised at this stage of his life he didn’t realize that.
People care what the homerun record is because it’s part of the history of the game. The beautiful part of baseball in my opinion is that it has such a rich history. If you want to just look at things in the present that’s your choice but a lot of people love baseball history and cherish it. It’s very important in my opinion.
Guys like Barry Bonds and Alex Rodriguez are the ultimate teammates. They sacrifice their body just to help the team. Players that use steroids should get more consideration for the hall of fame, not less.
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Doing steroids means taking tremendous legal, professional, and health risks in order to benefit your team and help them win. The ultimate Team Player.
blake July 9th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
If Maris would have done what he did in 2002 everyone would have been sure he took steroids….he never even hit 40 another year and only 30 two other times.
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Yep. He never really came close after it. Maris isn’t one of the all time greatest players based on his entire body of work and he isn’t even close. He had one of the greatest single seasons of all time though. And did it in 154 games.
He never was close to Maris’ record or 73 homeruns before that
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Maris was never close to his own record, that’s not really an argument.
“If you want to just look at things in the present that’s your choice but a lot of people love baseball history and cherish it.”
I believe you can love baseball history without caring a fig for baseball records. Baseball stats are merely a reflection of the times in which they were accrued. They don’t mean anything when compared across eras and completely different groups of ballplayers.
Jerkface July 9th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Guys like Barry Bonds and Alex Rodriguez are the ultimate teammates. They sacrifice their body just to help the team. Players that use steroids should get more consideration for the hall of fame, not less.
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Doing steroids means taking tremendous legal, professional, and health risks in order to benefit your team and help them win. The ultimate Team Player.
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Barry Bonds did not think of his team at all when he started using. Read “Game of Shadows”. I agree with you on the other things but this is a load of bs in which the truth is severely twisted.
What I meant to say is that he wasn´t a Mantle type of thread or Maris or Ruth. He was a power hitter ( 30-40 maybe ) but never 73, especially at 40 years old
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Bonds had 500 home runs before he turned 36. Bonds was a fantastic power hitter before his late thirties when the home run numbers really skyrocketed.
Doing steroids means taking tremendous legal, professional, and health risks in order to benefit your team and help them win. The ultimate Team Player.
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Finally a voice of reason
Jerkface July 9th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
He never was close to Maris’ record or 73 homeruns before that
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Maris was never close to his own record, that’s not really an argument.
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Yep. Bonds was one of the greatest hitters to ever play the game. He got pitched around all game and saw at most 1 pitch to hit which he often hit out of the ball park. Steroids or not, that’s the most incredible hitter I’ve seen in my life.
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i think baseball as a game is based on statistics. and records are the keep of these statistics. just my opinion though.
Barry Bonds did not think of his team at all when he started using. Read “Game of Shadows”. I agree with you on the other things but this is a load of bs in which the truth is severely twisted.
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It does not matter what a fictional account in Game of Shadows says about Ser Barrold Bonds. Baseball is a selfish sport by nature. It is in everyone on the teams best interests to try to get hits / do good at baseball. You cannot hog a ball or demand all the plays be run through you/around you.
I like the game clean….i dont approve of PEDs and am glad they are trying to get rid of them……but I get annoyed when folks suggest that Arod would have hit like 300 homers or something if he hasnt used them…..honestly I doubt it would have mattered at all and he may have evej hit more because maybe he would be healthier now…..
Bonds was definitely the equal of a guy like Mantle, better than Maris, and a better hitter than Ruth most likely. And just as big a power threat as any of them. Ruth played in a segregated league and did indeed inject bull testosterone into his own buttocks.
“But they do have a chance to make a bold stroke, change the offense to more speed/contact and improve overall defense while getting younger if they somehow pulled it off.”
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Do the Yanks change their nickname too? lol
The Bronx “hitters”? Doesn’t sound as good.
I like the game clean….i dont approve of PEDs and am glad they are trying to get rid of them
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I want the players to be in their peak physical shape regardless of how it is achieved, and I will be the first to vote for allowing augmented players to play the game when such advanced prosthetics exist such as to create cyborgs.
Sure Patrick,
But as we are seeing, he probably doesn´t hit 73 at age 36 in normal circumstances. He had 494 homers before his 36 years campaign. Some of those previous seasons already aided by steroids
A lot of the research in Game of Shadows was based on Barry Bonds’ leaked grand jury testimony so if it’s fictional, Bonds committed perjury. Barry Bonds was not a good teammate. Look at interviews from ex-teammates. He took performance enhancers to be recognized as the best player of his generation by others because he was jealous by the attention paid to other players when he was more talented and a better all-around player. The thought of his team never once crossed his mind. Bonds was in it for himself and could have cared less whether his homeruns helped his team win a game.
It’s taken mw quite a while before I found this article (had lost the link). I advise you all who wax moralistic to read this (I know, it’s quite long, especially if you follow the internal links), but it sure brings up some interesting points:
http://steroids-and-baseball.com/
Faced with the choice between changing one’s mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
–John Kenneth Galbraith
If steroids aren’t allowed we should try to make playing conditions now the same as they were back in the day. Tommy John surgery and modern medicine in general can no longer be used. Protein shakes and other supplements out the window. Get rid of weight rooms and exercise equipment, I don’t think Babe Ruth had those. Players will now have to get jobs in the offseason. Oh yeah and black / hispanic players can’t play in MLB anymore.
Some of those previous seasons already aided by steroids
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Oh word? prove it
“i think baseball as a game is based on statistics. and records are the keep of these statistics. just my opinion though.”
Sure, but try comparing a pitcher from the thirties to a pitcher today. If you look at the stats directly they won’t tell you anything, really. If you look at the stats all the pitchers in the thirties were mediocre, and all the pitchers between 1905-1915 were superb.
The game is different in each era, different players, different playing conditions. Stats allow you to decide who were the greatest players in each era (which is very important), but not really between eras. Which is why I don’t think records per se are very interesting.
Anyway, have to run. Bye all.
mw=me
Meant to say probably aided by steroids. Not arguing he isn´t a HOFer, just that his numbers were achieved at an age that most players decline.
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I agree. I don’t think records are a holy grail tell-all insight into baseball history. i think they need to be looked at in a certain perspective. But I see some value in the attempt to link eras of the game even if they aren’t totally comparable. When Jeter passes guys from the 1920s on the hit list it really fascinates me. It’s not a perfect method but what really is a perfect method…
Only 1 Babe Ruth. Ruth was hitting more HR’s than Entire oppossing teams. No comparison between Ruth and Bonds. Not to mention that Ruth revived MLB following the BlackSox Scandal.
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But as we are seeing, he probably doesn´t hit 73 at age 36 in normal circumstances. He had 494 homers before his 36 years campaign. Some of those previous seasons already aided by steroids
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Aaron hit his most ever at 37. Had his best slugging season.
Only 1 Babe Ruth. Ruth was hitting more HR’s than Entire oppossing teams. No comparison between Ruth and Bonds. Not to mention that Ruth revived MLB following the BlackSox Scandal.
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Bonds/Mcgwire/Griffey/Sosa revived baseball following the strike shortened season.
Also Bonds was better than Ruth, sorry to say.
Enough!
I say we go back and look at every HOF for drug use, alcoholism, Bennie and upper use, cortisone shots, and everything else unique to each eras “PEDs.”
Let’s ban everyone who used a PED. Reggie baby, are you telling us you never used cocaine?
While we are at it, let’s ban everyone before 1946 since they were all racists and their records were tainted by the lack of blacks in the league.
This is getting stupid, and all of us look stupid because of it.
Everyone is a product of their era, and should be judged accordingly.
Barring outright cheating based on the standards of that era, everyone elinlgible based on their records should get in.
Reggie, for shame. Think of your lifestyle circa 1978, brother.
blake July 9th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
G LOve,
I forgot to put a sarcasm note on my post…..I think their offense is good enough this year if they pitch really well and Cano mashes…..but next year Swisher will be gone…..Arod will be 38, Jeter will be 39, Jones and Ibanez may be gone…Tex and Grandy wilk be a year older erc…..I hope they are considering that…
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Exactly they have to consider all of those things. Yrs ago they decided to build the rotation and pen (excluding Soriano). in similar ways young arms and guys on one yr deals that can give you good production. If they are going to take that tact with the pitching then they have to go the same with the line-up IMO.
Only 1 Babe Ruth. Ruth was hitting more HR’s than Entire oppossing teams. No comparison between Ruth and Bonds.
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How many teams where there back then?
According to RAB, Hensley has the best offer and is deciding whether to accept. Great. Did they talk to him before they drafted him? It’s been going on too long for me to be optimistic since it can’t be a negotiating ploy. He just doesn’t know what he wants to do.
I would tell him their are many more pitchers whose stock drops in college than rises. Cole is an exception.
If they don’t sign him can they still use the money for the late round, upside draftees?
If they don’t sign him can they still use the money for the late round, upside draftees?
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No, they lose it.
Pittsburg Yank,
I agree. Who can say who used what whether pitcher or batter? Let’s move on.
Reggie is really trying to prevent modern day guys from eclipsing him. He is the definition of self-centered.
Ruth won 94 games as a pitcher before becoming the greatest hr hitter ever. He was the best baseball player ever end of story
Only steroids can make you blow up like a balloon in one offseason.
The more you weigh,the farther you can hit the ball.
Steroids can’t be touched by any other ped as far as enhancing performance.
I know a few guys who took steroids,and played baseball,and football,and there is no substitute for steroids.
They definitely helped many players hit the ball harder,wich means farther.
Swimmers,and runners on steroids can’t be touched by runners,and swimmers who are not on them,and those are speed sports.
Listen to the players,and performers,and they will all admit it.
This is about Reggie making more issues for Alex to have to answer. Reggie is supposed to be there to help the guys “cope w/the spotlight.” The Yankees pay Reggie to make things better/easier for the team because Reggie knows how hard it is to do it in NY after acting the fool.
Alex is having a rough enough year on top of listening to boos wherever he goes. I’m sure the teammates (even those that aren’t crazy about Alex) aren’t happy with it either – they need Alex.
This isn’t about freedom of speech or any of that nonsense and the Yanks may not be able to stop paying Reggie (probably part of a long-time agreement w/George)but they can tell him to lay low and I’m glad they did. This is about taking care of the team – that’s their job.
I wonder what George would have done? But then again, I’ve wondered that more than once these past few years-