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Chamberlain strikes out two in hitless inning

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 10, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Joba Chamberlain pitched in an actual game this morning.

Making his first rehab appearance since last year’s Tommy John surgery — and since this spring’s ankle injury — Chamberlain pitched one inning in the Gulf Coast League. He allowed no hits, no walks and struck out two, but a couple of errors and a passed ball led to an unearned run. Today’s outing means Chamberlain’s rehab clock has started, which means he’ll have to be off the disabled list in 30 days barring any setbacks.

Chamberlain’s fastball reportedly topped out at 97 mph.

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392 Responses to “Chamberlain strikes out two in hitless inning”

  1. Chip July 10th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    Slow news day leads to things like:

    Cano being booed at the HR Derby
    Reggie Jackson’s comments
    AA outing from David Phelps

    being big stories in Yankee land :-)

  2. Shame Spencer July 10th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Shame Spencer July 10th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    DONNYBROOK July 10th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    Let’s see, thus far this season you guys have traded Banny, Phelps, Mitchell, Hughes or Nova, Nunez,TEX, and not wanting to age disciminate, banished Reggie to Siberia.

    ———————

    The only person trying to trade Tex was me :twisted:

    And I can explain to you the reasoning again if you’d like. It isn’t just a matter of who is performing anymore… it’s a matter of what they get paid.

    Imagine if Jeter had his 09 season before he hit the FA market? That was pre-budget.

  3. DONNYBROOK July 10th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    If healthy, there is NO way Chamberlain will stay in the Bushes for anything close to 30 days. He’s Already chomping at the bit.

  4. DONNYBROOK July 10th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    You were Not the ONLY guy wanting to 86 TEX. The others can come forward if they so wish. They know who they are.

  5. Against All Odds July 10th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Put him back in the……

  6. Ys Guy July 10th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    so im guessing that if you release a player with multiple years left on his contract, the aav for those remaining years will continue to count against the luxury tax going forward, right?

    they should have bargained for an exemption like the nba did.

  7. Shame Spencer July 10th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Donny – My suggestion was that even if we eat a chunk of Tex’s salary, we could get more out of our budget than we are now. Really depends on how much of a chunk you’re eating and what you can get back… there are still quite a few teams that would do well to have a guy like Tex manning 1B.

  8. Eroc July 10th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Once Joba has built himself up, option him back to AAA and let him get innings as a starter with the intent of joining the rotation next year

  9. Ys Guy July 10th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    joba to the rotation should be shelved till the offseason. it would take him an extra month or more to work up to starting this year.

  10. Ys Guy July 10th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    thats why i asked about released players counting towards the luxury tax. if you traded tex and ate half his salary, that half would still count against you tax bill. and you’d have to replace him at 1b, so you probably dont save any money toward the luxury tax taht way.

  11. 86w183 July 10th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    I resent you using “86″ in that context!

    Just kiddin’

    Halladay’s no trade is limited as are the no-trades for Lee and Howard. They would have to eat a ton of money on Howard or Lee, but not Halladay.

    Of course it doesn’t matter unless/until Doc is healthy.

    Looking forward to joba progressing

  12. CountryClub July 10th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    Why do you guys torture yourselves with this Joba to the rotation stuff. It’s not happening while he’s a Yankee. That ship has sailed….and sunk. It’s gone, the ship is gone.

  13. 86w183 July 10th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    Tex has a complete no-trade…. where do you see him waiving it to go?

  14. yanks 27 July 10th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    In the NBA, the team still has to pay for the contract if the player is amnestied, it just doesn’t count against their salary cap, so they can make moves without the player counting against the official cap. But they still have to pay the guy.

    That doesn’t really matter in baseball because there is no salary cap, so a bad contract doesn’t completely hamstring a team the way it does in the NBA, where they have to adhere to a cap while having an albatross contract.

  15. blake July 10th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    “thats why i asked about released players counting towards the luxury tax.”

    Pretty sure it would becaude youd still be paying them.

  16. Ys Guy July 10th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    doc was my first round draft pick (4th pick) in the lohud draft. :(

    the points are heavily skewed toward starting pitching. verlander and kershaw were already off the board.

    espn says he should be back by the end of the month.

  17. Ys Guy July 10th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    “That doesn’t really matter in baseball because there is no salary cap, so a bad contract doesn’t completely hamstring a team the way it does in the NBA”

    =============================

    the luxury tax penalties post 2014 will act as a cap to the yankees…

  18. champ809 July 10th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    repost-

    champ809 July 10th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
    I’d offer a package of Brett Gardner, Brett Marshall, Corbin Joseph and J.R. Murphy for Upton and see how far I get with that In the top 3 players you’re giving them major league ready talent and Murphy although a year or two away is a real upside bat with some positional versatility.
    Gardy could leadoff and play CF with Young moving to RF and Parra in LF.

    Brett Marshall would have a #2 type ceiling in the NL with could groundball/K rates but with frontline type stuff 4seamer 94-96/2seam 92-93.

    Corbin Joseph is a guy who is just a good hitter who can square up the ball and has developing power but profiles safely as a .300 hitter low strikeouts and could be a 15-20 homer @ 2B with Hill maybe moving over to 3B.

    Or they could move Murphy back to 3B and develop him there and he’s another very good looking bat maybe not a 25-30 HR guy but could be a 20-25 HR guy down the road.

    The thing that may work for the Yanks is that Towers knows our system well enough firsthand to not need to rely on the national prospects rankings to put together a deal for Upton and would rely on his personal evaluations and opinions of players in deciding on a package.

  19. DONNYBROOK July 10th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    Chamberlain should Not have his role changed while coming back from injury\surgery. Also, you guys are planning on 2013 and beyond, which is Not the Yankee way. The Yanks have the Best Record in MLB, and their intent currently is to win a Championship NOW. They are certainly Not gonna make a move that wrecks their chances at hitting that $189 Mill in 2014, but the focus is on 2012. The Q\A in The Post with Cashman, showed that George’s philosophy of Winning remains front and center.

  20. Shame Spencer July 10th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    Ys Guy July 10th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    thats why i asked about released players counting towards the luxury tax. if you traded tex and ate half his salary, that half would still count against you tax bill.

    ————————-

    I didn’t realize this until blake brought it up this morning. Definitely would change the value in moving him.

    86 – I’ve always maintained if an org wants to move a player they can find ways around NTC and NMCs. It’s been overcome in plenty of other cases. The team can force a move.. the player can force a move. It happens.

  21. Shame Spencer July 10th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    Ys Guy July 10th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    “That doesn’t really matter in baseball because there is no salary cap, so a bad contract doesn’t completely hamstring a team the way it does in the NBA”

    =============================

    the luxury tax penalties post 2014 will act as a cap to the yankees…

    ——————

    I thought this said ‘act as a crap to the yankees’ at first. Either way, agreed.

  22. Against All Odds July 10th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    Eroc July 10th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Once Joba has built himself up, option him back to AAA and let him get innings as a starter with the intent of joining the rotation next year

    ——————————–

    This all of this lol

  23. Against All Odds July 10th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    CountryClub July 10th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    Why do you guys torture yourselves with this Joba to the rotation stuff. It’s not happening while he’s a Yankee. That ship has sailed….and sunk. It’s gone, the ship is gone.

    —————————

    Yes because the Yankees are absolutely loaded with starting pitching for the next few yrs.

  24. Shame Spencer July 10th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    Mark Feinsand ?@BloggingBombers

    Selig: “The appetite for more instant replay in the sport is very low – everywhere.”

  25. austinmac July 10th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    While it is a slow news day, I have two news flashes. Joba is returning to help the pen and Teixiera isn’t being traded.

    My hopes of Upton seem realistic compared to those tired thoughts.

    The truth is we spend all this energy and thought on potential trades, but their is not one sign the Yankees are thinking anything along the line of a big deal. They might add a guy to the pen if Aardsma is out, but I suspect that is it. They will not, in my opinion, trade anyone they think can possibly help them at a very low cost in 2014 or 2015.

  26. Joe from Long Island July 10th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    shame – a few weeks ago i was listening to an interview on mlb radio, with the retired chief supervisor of umpiring. i wish i could remember his name, i’ve heard it before, i’d recognize it on the tip of my tongue….

    anyway, he said that the players assoc, umpires union, mlb admin was all set to negotiate more instant replay, they were all for it, but one thing was holding them back.

    bud selig.

  27. Ys Guy July 10th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    in hindsight, the yankees might have pushed hard to get one nba type amnesty from the oncoming luxury tax penalties because they are likely the only team it’s going to affect.

    fyi by my count arod has $89M plus probably ($12M in makable HR bonuses) after next year. ( i assume he’ll have earned his first $6M bonus by then)

  28. CountryClub July 10th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    Yes because the Yankees are absolutely loaded with starting pitching for the next few yrs.

    ——————

    It doesn’t matter if it makes sense to make him a starter. Some people think it does and others don’t. But the only person who matters is Cashman (and his baseball people) and he’s stated publicly numerous times that he’s not starting for the team any more.

  29. CountryClub July 10th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    One of the national baseball guys (pretty sure it was Rosenthal) had an article a month or so ago that said the umps have no interest in more replay. MLB and the union have already agreed to it…it’s in the CBA. But the umps are the ones holding it up.

  30. Shame Spencer July 10th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Jerry Crasnick ?@jcrasnick

    Bud Selig says it’s “inexcusable” that Rays rank 29th in the majors in attendance.

  31. jacksquat July 10th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    DONNYBROOK July 10th, 2012 at 11:23 am
    Again people, this is an Owner motivated Auction. Towers at this point is merely the Vocal Auctioneer. The owner is ultimately gonna be the guy dropping the gavel. This is Exactly why you do NOT go “all in” with your bid. You have an owner that does Not appreciate this player, and the home town crowd is booing this player. The Buyer has the leverage.

    The seller has the leverage when there are several interested potential buyers.

  32. jacksquat July 10th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Shame Spencer July 10th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
    Mark Feinsand ?@BloggingBombers

    Selig: “The appetite for more instant replay in the sport is very low – everywhere.”

    Selig is delusional as usual.

  33. LGY July 10th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    ?@TylerKepner
    Joe Torre on instant replay: “I don’t know why we want everything to be perfect, bc this isn’t a perfect game. Life isn’t perfect.”

  34. Shame Spencer July 10th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Joe – I’m so completely shocked by that news…. :P

    It wouldn’t surprise me that the umps were interested but Bud wasn’t. He needs the games to be 2 1/2 hours so he can convince people baseball isn’t boring.

  35. Shame Spencer July 10th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    (Meanwhile, the HR derby cannot be completed within 3 hours)

  36. Joe from Long Island July 10th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    no one is asking for “perfect”. and replay is not going to be perfect. what is being asked for is “better”.

  37. Shame Spencer July 10th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    LGY July 10th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    ?@TylerKepner
    Joe Torre on instant replay: “I don’t know why we want everything to be perfect, bc this isn’t a perfect game. Life isn’t perfect.”

    ————————–

    I love when people make these arguments.. as if they’re relevant lol.

  38. Ys Guy July 10th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    baseball has gotten along with little to no instant replay for 160 years. they dont now have a coherent system that quickly resolves issues correctly.

    i look forward to having a quick accurate instant replay system in baseball, but i dont think its going to happen anytime soon. they should be trying to develop one first instead of expanding this makeshift, ‘if they feel like it’ ‘where’s the tv monitor’ ‘who’s controlling the tv feed’ ‘which calls are reviewable’ system.

    i think it’s going to have to be a supervising umpire in a booth who can overrule the ruling on the field without consulting with the field umps for it to work quickly and accurately.

    until they are ready to take the jump to a fast accurate system, i dont want to see them expand this junk ‘system’ they have now.

  39. Shame Spencer July 10th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    Jerry Crasnick ?@jcrasnick

    Bud on Clemens verdict and Mitchell report: “I’m as proud today of the Mitchell report now as I was then.”

  40. Shame Spencer July 10th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Comparing life to baseball is stupid. Its like when people take opinions on here and try to apply it to how you live your life lol. As if how you feel about baseball and how you feel about life are the same thing?

  41. Joe from Long Island July 10th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    i think it?s going to have to be a supervising umpire in a booth who can overrule the ruling on the field without consulting with the field umps for it to work quickly and accurately.

    ditto. i think this makes the most sense. and the umpire union gets to hire more members – something for everyone.

    ?I?m as proud today of the Mitchell report now as I was then.?
    nothing more needs to be said. bud’s credibility and integrity have been clearly defined.

  42. CountryClub July 10th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    Scott Miller ?@ScottMCBS
    Selig likes idea of DH in NL park and P hitting in AL in interleague play. “It’s something this winter we ought to bear down on.”

    ———–

    Um…why?

  43. Shame Spencer July 10th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS

    Selig calls texas #rangers turnaround “one of the great success stories”

    ——————

    Hehehehehehehe.. is this a fake interview?! He’s dead serious.

  44. Shame Spencer July 10th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    CountryClub July 10th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    Scott Miller ?@ScottMCBS
    Selig likes idea of DH in NL park and P hitting in AL in interleague play. “It’s something this winter we ought to bear down on.”

    ———–

    Um…why?

    ————

    That’s funny, my question was, ‘Um..how?!’

  45. Bronx Jeers July 10th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    Life threw me a curveball this morning when I opened the fridge and realized I was out of milk. :sad:

    But then I went to the bullpen and used some powdered non-dairy creamer I had in the cupboard. :smile:

  46. Chip July 10th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    LGY July 10th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    ?@TylerKepner
    Joe Torre on instant replay: “I don’t know why we want everything to be perfect, bc this isn’t a perfect game. Life isn’t perfect.”
    ————————-

    Well if life’s not perfect then why bother having players practice? It’s not about attaining perfection, it’s about improvement.

    And Torre pretending to care about the pace of the game is nuts too – he needs to re-watch some of the Yankee/Sox games he managed.

  47. Chip July 10th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    jacksquat July 10th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Shame Spencer July 10th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
    Mark Feinsand ?@BloggingBombers

    Selig: “The appetite for more instant replay in the sport is very low – everywhere.”

    Selig is delusional as usual.
    ————-

    I loved the report that MLB blasted the Red Sox for showing a replay of a close play on the scoreboard. Does baseball really not realize that by the time the sox had shown the replay half the people in the stands had already watched it on their phones anyway?

  48. Patrick July 10th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    Joe Torre on instant replay: “I don’t know why we want everything to be perfect, bc this isn’t a perfect game. Life isn’t perfect.”

    Most idiotic thing I’ve read in a long time…

  49. jacksquat July 10th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS

    Selig calls texas #rangers turnaround “one of the great success stories”

    Translation:

    “We succeded in funding the Rangers so they could beat the Yankees.”

  50. blake July 10th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    “I’d offer a package of Brett Gardner, Brett Marshall, Corbin Joseph and J.R. Murphy for Upton”

    You wont get far…..youre not getting Upton and keeping your 5 best prospects…..

  51. yanks 27 July 10th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    ScottMCBS
    Selig likes idea of DH in NL park and P hitting in AL in interleague play. “It’s something this winter we ought to bear down on.”

    —————–

    lol, Selig just can’t get out of his own way

  52. Against All Odds July 10th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    CountryClub July 10th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    Yes because the Yankees are absolutely loaded with starting pitching for the next few yrs.

    ——————

    It doesn’t matter if it makes sense to make him a starter. Some people think it does and others don’t. But the only person who matters is Cashman (and his baseball people) and he’s stated publicly numerous times that he’s not starting for the team any more.

    ——————

    And because of that him and his baseball people are morons when it comes to Joba.

  53. Against All Odds July 10th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    blake July 10th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    “I’d offer a package of Brett Gardner, Brett Marshall, Corbin Joseph and J.R. Murphy for Upton”

    You wont get far…..youre not getting Upton and keeping your 5 best prospects…..

    ———————-

    Quantity over quality it was worth a shot :)

  54. blake July 10th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    I dont understand why MLB acts like instant replay would be this complicated rocket science……..

  55. m July 10th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    Selig with the Golden Sombrero already. And counting!

  56. blake July 10th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    Teams dont want quantity …..almlst everybody has quantity of B prospects….teams want A listers ….especially if they are trading a 24 year old potential superstar

  57. Patrick July 10th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    Upton? Would probably take 3 of Banuelos, Austin, Williams, Sanchez

  58. luis July 10th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    And because of that him and his baseball people are morons when it comes to Joba.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Really? ;)

    Hello everyone

  59. Nick in SF July 10th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    As long as there is injustice in North Korea, why should we expect justice in baseball?

  60. ctyankeefan. July 10th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    I dont understand why they make this replay business so difficult. If me, a ton of TV viewers, and the booth commentators can see a blown call within 10 seconds of watching a replay then how long could it take an ump in a booth to see this and report it below. I think replay is a good thing if its done quick like that, and like in football the managers should be able to argue a few calls per game so it doesnt get out of control. Its insane to watch game changing plays get blown by bad calls.

  61. Bronx Jeers July 10th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    Torre must have borrowed Bud’s tainted tube of minoxidil and it’s seeping through their skulls.

  62. Bronx Jeers July 10th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Cano getting booed last night was like a mini-Pearl Harbor.

  63. DONNYBROOK July 10th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    The pace of The Game??? MLB should start with the pace of The Home Run Derby.

  64. Patrick July 10th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    Kansas City fans are literally worse than hitler

  65. jacksquat July 10th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    Upton is not cheap:

    13:$9.75M, 14:$14.25M, 15:$14.5M

    Unless he plays like a $20m+ superstar.

    And he’s not exactly tearing the cover off the ball this year either:

    .273/.353/.401

    So no, I would not empty the far for him or even trade one of Banuelos/Williams/Sanchez.

  66. ctyankeefan. July 10th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    And why would the umps be against instant replay? You’d think they would want it so they don’t have to answer to as many badly blown calls i.e. Galaraga’s no hitter or perfect game. You could tell Joyce felt terrible about that and he seems like one of the better and well liked umps around.

  67. Villa Nova-Ya July 10th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    yanks 27 July 10th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
    ScottMCBS
    Selig likes idea of DH in NL park and P hitting in AL in interleague play. “It’s something this winter we ought to bear down on.”

    —————–

    Am I missing something? I seriously don’t understand this statement.

    Is he saying that in inter league games he wants there to be a DH when they play in NL parks and he wants the pitcher to hit when they pay in AL parks? Because isn’t this the exact opposite of what they do now? And what sense does it make? What exactly would they be bearing dwn on??

  68. Patrick July 10th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    So no, I would not empty the far for him or even trade one of Banuelos/Williams/Sanchez.

    In that case, Arizona wouldn’t even think of trading him to you.

  69. DONNYBROOK July 10th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    ALL the tax $$$ the Yanks have poured into their team, and the KC hay seeds boo Cano? Let’s hope they got home and their septic tanks had run amock.

  70. jacksquat July 10th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    That’s fine with me. It’s not like they are trading a cheap 900 ops player. Guy has a .750 ops, is not cheap, is inconsistent, and you have to wonder what happened that is forcing this trade.

  71. DONNYBROOK July 10th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    This is exactly why the Buyer has the leverage. The owner doesn’t like paying for the numbers he’s putting up, or the fact he’s dinged up often.

  72. Against All Odds July 10th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    Patrick July 10th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    Upton? Would probably take 3 of Banuelos, Austin, Williams, Sanchez

    ——————————-

    Let’s say they decided to move him over the winter instead of now would anyone do Hughes, Austin, Williams, and Nunez. That is very high IMO. I would have done Dellin instead of Hughes but he has taken a step back.

  73. Chip July 10th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    The funniest part about Selig’s comments is that he goes from saying (essentially) baseball is fine as it is, there’s no need to tinker with it or instant replay – he hardly pauses before suggesting moving the DH to NL parks vs. AL ones.

  74. luis July 10th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    Patrick July 10th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    So no, I would not empty the far for him or even trade one of Banuelos/Williams/Sanchez.

    In that case, Arizona wouldn’t even think of trading him to you.

    ==============================

    I wouldn’t trade for him either

  75. Chip July 10th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    Against All Odds July 10th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    Patrick July 10th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    Upton? Would probably take 3 of Banuelos, Austin, Williams, Sanchez

    ——————————-

    Let’s say they decided to move him over the winter instead of now would anyone do Hughes, Austin, Williams, and Nunez. That is very high IMO. I would have done Dellin instead of Hughes but he has taken a step back.
    ——————–

    It’s not really that high a price when you consider the following:

    Nunez’s defense has not improved at all – at any position
    Hughes has has a strong year but is about to get expensive
    Austin and Williams have high ceilings but a long way to go to reach them – which means there’s a lot that can happen before they reach the show that could derail them.

  76. austinmac July 10th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    I just heard on MLB radio Cano had said a couple times their should be a home team hitter in the derby. The fans their expected it and didn’t get it. I still don’t condone it, but that perhaps makes it more understandable.

  77. DONNYBROOK July 10th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    The D. Backs floated Upton a season ago, and could Not get what they wanted Then. Based on his current numbers and that shoulder of his, his value is Far less Now. You guys are throwing Way too much out there for this player.

  78. Against All Odds July 10th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    @ Chip you made some very good points

  79. Against All Odds July 10th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    DONNYBROOK July 10th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    The D. Backs floated Upton a season ago, and could Not get what they wanted Then. Based on his current numbers and that shoulder of his, his value is Far less Now. You guys are throwing Way too much out there for this player.

    ———————————-

    What players would you move for Upton?

  80. luis July 10th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Chip,

    Is not cheap, if on top of the prospects you have to pay Upton to play 14,2 and 14,5 mil for 2014 and 2015…Only if he becomes the superstar he is supposed to become that contract is cheap…But in any case, gut the farm and on top of that pay a very expensive contract doesn’t make sense with the new environment ( CBA, Budget, draft and IFA limitations)

  81. Chip July 10th, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    luis July 10th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Chip,

    Is not cheap, if on top of the prospects you have to pay Upton to play 14,2 and 14,5 mil for 2014 and 2015…Only if he becomes the superstar he is supposed to become that contract is cheap…But in any case, gut the farm and on top of that pay a very expensive contract doesn’t make sense with the new environment ( CBA, Budget, draft and IFA limitations)
    ———————–

    I didn’t say it was cheap – I just said it’s not that high a price when you consider the variables that come with the players the Yankees would be sending Arizona in that hypothetical trade scenario.

  82. blake July 10th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Williams, Sanchez, and Austin won’t help the Yankees until 2014 at the earliest and more likely 2015…..and that’s if they ever help them at all. I love that group but it’s not like they are in AAA knocking on the door.

    “Based on his current numbers and that shoulder of his, his value is Far less Now. ”

    it’s really not…..which is why as soon as Towers floated his name out immediately you hear the interest is huge. He’s not selling him low…..if he trades him it will be for his potential value.

  83. Benny Blanco July 10th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    Joba topping out at 97 is huge!! His arm isnt in midseason for yet. Scary.

  84. luis July 10th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    Chip,

    My apologies…Still, I wouldn’t do it

  85. DONNYBROOK July 10th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    A better move would be trying to pry Parra away from Arizona. The guy is a young version of Melky.

  86. blake July 10th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    If I’m Towers and Cashman called me about Upton the names I would ask for are Nova, Gardner, Banuelos, and either Williams or Sanchez…..that would be the initial price and Cashman would have to talk me down from there.

  87. blake July 10th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    If Williams, Sanchez, Austin etc were performing like this in AAA then that would be a different story…..the Yankees wouldn’t need Upton then…..and maybe in 2 years they will be…..but there are 2 years between now and then and there is no guarantee they’ll ever get to that point anyway.

  88. Chip July 10th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Again, when considering a trade like this the question is – what is the ceiling for the prospects you’re dealing and what are the odds of them making that.

    Yes, Mason Williams and/or Tyler Austin might someday be as good as Justin Upton is right now at 24. But, on the other hand, they may never play above AA.

    The farther a player is from the majors the greater the odds that he never makes the majors. It’s not a reflection on the player’s ability, just the fact that there is more time for something to go wrong.

    I don’t think the Yankees will wind up with Upton, not because they’re unwilling to part with what it would take to get him, but because they don’t have what it would take to get him. I don’t see Kevin Towers dealing J-Ups for prospects entering High A ball and that’s where the Yankees best prospects are.

    Towers is going to want guys who can step up and step in by next season – that doesn’t describe anyone on the Yankee farm except maybe Banuelos and Zoilo Almonte. What that means is that this would have to be a three team deal where the Yankees deal low level prospects to a team who has either a top prospect or young ML player that they’re willing to part with and then spin that guy to the D’Backs for Upton. As an example:

    Cubs get: Mason Williams, Gary Sanchez
    Arizona gets: Starlin Castro, Manny Banuelos
    Yankees get: Justin Upton

    that’s just quick and dirty without giving much thought to the needs of the Cubs or Arizona

  89. champ809 July 10th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

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    For example if the Braves were putting a package together for a top player 2 years ago most would have said they’d have to trade 2 of Teheran, Minor or Delgado because they were their highest rated prospects. However Beachy ( TJ surgery aside ) looks like the better player so far.

    Towers knows our system intimately and has his own opinions about whom he values over others.

  90. DONNYBROOK July 10th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    The team with the Best Record in MLB is gonna trade 2 players off it’s current 25 Man Roster, (Nova\Gardner) to acquire a player the owner has hung a “For Sale” sign around his neck, whose numbers are down, AND has a questionable shoulder? NOPE

  91. luis July 10th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    Good post Chip…Very compelling case..

    Blake,

    No doubt Towers would be asking something along those lines

  92. blake July 10th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    “For example if the Braves were putting a package together for a top player 2 years ago most would have said they’d have to trade 2 of Teheran, Minor or Delgado because they were their highest rated prospects. However Beachy ( TJ surgery aside ) looks like the better player so far.”

    Yea but the Braves themselves woukd have said Teharan was better than Beachy 2 years ago…..the fact that hes not speaks to the unpredictablity of prospecta…..Towers isnt going to take flyers on guys that arent perceived as good now just because they could blossom later and fool people.

    Chip,

    I think that deal works maybe for the Dbacks…..but I dont think the Cuns would do it…..and the Yanks are giving their 3 best prospects…..yoh do have to give to get though….

  93. blake July 10th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    “The team with the Best Record in MLB is gonna trade 2 players off it’s current 25 Man Roster’

    No….but Towers would ask for them probably

  94. Chip July 10th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    blake July 10th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Chip,

    I think that deal works maybe for the Dbacks…..but I dont think the Cuns would do it…..and the Yanks are giving their 3 best prospects…..yoh do have to give to get though….
    ————————

    I think the Cubs would move Castro – not sure if the Yankee duo are enough to get him though.

  95. Chip July 10th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    blake July 10th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    “The team with the Best Record in MLB is gonna trade 2 players off it’s current 25 Man Roster’

    No….but Towers would ask for them probably
    ———————-

    I don’t think Towers would have interest in GGBG

  96. blake July 10th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    “I think the Cubs would move Castro – not sure if the Yankee duo are enough to get him though.”

    Yea…they might just cut the Yanks out though and offer Castro for Upton themselves in that deal though.

  97. blake July 10th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    ‘I don’t think Towers would have interest in GGBG’

    I do as a piece if he showed he was healthy….

  98. Chip July 10th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    blake July 10th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    “I think the Cubs would move Castro – not sure if the Yankee duo are enough to get him though.”

    Yea…they might just cut the Yanks out though and offer Castro for Upton themselves in that deal though.
    ———————-

    That’s a distinct possibility. Castro and LaHair for Upton and then target Stephen Drew in FA this winter.

  99. DONNYBROOK July 10th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    Where would the D. Backs play Castro??? They have Drew back. Slow it up.

  100. DONNYBROOK July 10th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    Once again, you guys are looking at 2013 and beyond, vs the Yanks and D. Backs trying to win in 2012.

  101. blake July 10th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    “Where would the D. Backs play Castro??? They have Drew back. Slow it up.”

    uhm….SS…Drew is a FA after this year and he can’t stay healthy anyway

  102. Patrick July 10th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    I think some of you are really underrating Upton’s value. He was a legit top 5 player in the NL last year at 24 years old. He’s having a down year right now but this guy is an ascending player in the beginning of his prime. Not to mention, he could probably play CF which boosts his value even more. If I’m Towers the conversation starts at 3 of the top 5 Yankee prospects and would probably require more.

  103. DONNYBROOK July 10th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    Point is, your focusing on 2013. The D. Backs are not holding a “White Flag” sale regarding Drew or Upton. They are Still very much alive in the Playoff Race this season.

  104. Jerkface July 10th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    Getting Castro would be an upgrade, Willie Bloomquist is their SS

  105. DONNYBROOK July 10th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Castro and his 29 Errors last season make your “upgrade” debateable. He also has been called on the carpet this season, for the same thing both physically and mentally. Giving up both Drew and Upton for a young “head case” would be a “White Flag” deal. Oh yea, the hype concerning LaHair is LaGone.

  106. blake July 10th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    If the Dbacks trade Upton then we are assuming it’s because their ownership wants them to….Castro is a really good return as he’s a potential superstar himself…..is even younger than Upton and is a lot cheaper….. Towers will try to win this year….but he knows that they need more pieces long term and that his focus.

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