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Yankees first-half disappointment: Russell Martin

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 11, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

You could go a lot of ways with this one. The injuries to Michael Pineda and Mariano Rivera were massive disappointments, but of a different sort. Mark Teixeira and Alex Rodriguez have been disappointing, but that might be because of outdated expectations (Teixeira’s been trending this way for a while, and Rodriguez is 36 and coming off a series of injuries).

Instead, the disappointment that stands out is Martin because of what it means for the short-term and long-term future of the Yankees.

Short term, the Yankees have an everyday catcher who isn’t hitting. He’s hit eight home runs, and early in the year he was still getting on base at a good rate, but Martin’s hitting .179 through 207 at-bats. That’s a large enough sample size to mean something. He finally snapped an 0-for-30 slide right before the all-star break, then Joe Girardi benched him on Sunday so that Martin could have an extra day to clear his head.

“I told him, ‘Come back after the break and be the player you’re capable of being,’” Girardi said. “‘Put the first half behind you.’”

What if he doesn’t come back as the player he’s capable of being?

This winter, the Yankees traded away top catching prospect Jesus Montero. During spring training, Austin Romine went down with a back injury and hasn’t played since. Gary Sanchez is a good young catcher in the system, but he’s at least two years away from the big leagues with several hurdles left to clear.

If Martin had produced this season, he might have solidified himself as the Yankees catcher of the near future. Give him a three-year deal after the season and let him bridge the gap to Sanchez or whoever comes next. Instead, his dismal offensive numbers — granted, he can still play defense — are leaving the Yankees in a tough spot at a position that seemed to be an overwhelming strength just seven months ago.

A great year from Martin could have made up for a lot of things. It could have made it easier to move on after the Montero deal and easier to stay patient with the Romine injury. Instead, the Yankees have a catcher who’s well below the Mendoza line with no replacement on deck.

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62 Responses to “Yankees first-half disappointment: Russell Martin”

  1. Hassey July 11th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    no comment necessary

  2. Doc Iac July 11th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    anyone notice when they talk MVP they only bring up Hamilton and Trout?…they both are doin great and if ether wins the MVP its deserved (if the season goes as predicted) but y Cano hardly ever in the mix?

    yankees have so much hate against them they cant win awards, Jeter MVP in 06, CC cy young in 10′ , cano ROTY in 05, Matsui ROTY in 03. I mean arod had to have 2 monster seasons to win the MVP

  3. blake July 11th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    2/3 of the Yankees current outfield is made of of guys that Cashman bought low on via trade…..Upton is a talent I could see Cashman pursue but the price wont likely be “buy low level”…..so we’ll see.

  4. blake July 11th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    I think Cano will be in the MVP mix.

  5. Doc Iac July 11th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    blake,

    he def should be…but we will see

  6. G. Love July 11th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    Somewhere in my mind Girardi is thrilled they’re winning with a catcher who can’t hit his own weight and may not hit a Super Model’s weight by seasons end.

    The days of the offensive catcher on the Yankees are over unless Sanchez makes it up here.

    If you look at the past few years and what’s going on now, the Yankees are fine with playing like a NL team with a dead spot in the order for catcher.

    I hope Martin gets it going. I can’t imagine the kind of regret the poor guy is going to feel for turning his nose up to 24-30 million contract before the season. He’ll never sniff that kind of guaranteed money again in his career if he doesn’t get on fire. I actually think that’s part of what is eating him. Waking up every day realizing you swatted away a lottery ticket has got to be pretty difficult.

    The fact is though, Stewart deserves more playing time going forward. He should be CC’s personal catcher and they should pair him up with another pitcher. His simple approach at the plate isn’t great, but it’s leap years better than Martin’s at bats.

  7. blake July 11th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    http://touch.dailymotion.com/v.....-you_music

    Cashman and Girardi’s message to Russ

  8. Patrick July 11th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    Going by fWAR, Cano is 2nd in the AL. So, definitely in the MVP conversation. Right now I’d vote for Trout though

  9. Yankee Trader July 11th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    Yankee Trader July 11th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
    Blake-

    I had to leave but how did our trade for Upton go down here? We still need a handshake?

    Trade:

    Cashman obtains Francisco Liriano for a minor prospect, then trades Hughes, Chamberlain, Nunez and Zoilo Almonte to Arizona for Justin Upton plus Cashman takes JJ Putz plus cash to cover the remainder of his salary.
    —————————————————–

    blake July 11th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
    Trader,

    If you can make that deal happen I will lead a mutiny to overthrown Cashman and name you the new GM.
    ——————————–

    Blake- You were Cashman and I was Towers in that mockup. Kudos to you, and I’m being run out of town!! :(

  10. blake July 11th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    Trader,

    Oh…lol.

    Patrick,

    Id vote for Trout as well right now…..

  11. DONNYBROOK July 11th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    You Stat Geeks are always the ones sighting sample sizes, yet are ready to annoint Trout with only 258 AB’s this season. Try to resist the Hype, and let things play out. The bulk of this game centers on confidence, as we are seeing with Dunn last season and Now this season. Harper has returned to Earth, and we need to wait likewise on Trout. A lotta Trout’s game is speed, and I am waiting to see how he does as he gets dinged up as the season progresses.

  12. Jerkface July 11th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    There is no need to wait and see when trying to determine who would be the MVP *right now*, because that would defeat the point.

  13. Jerkface July 11th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Mike Trout has both the numbers and the narrative. Rare for those two to align. Usually its someone less worthy but with narrative.

    They started winning when he came up, and he has been pretty aces.

  14. DONNYBROOK July 11th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    Got you both down. The Hype Bros.

  15. Jerkface July 11th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    .341 .397 .562 .959 26/3 SB gold glove defense is not hype it is actual things which happened.

    He is undoubtedly the first half MVP. If he gets the 2nd half MVP he will walk away with the coveted ‘both halves MVP’.

  16. Shame Spencer July 11th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    “I told him, ‘Come back after the break and be the player you’re capable of being,’” Girardi said.

    ——————————–

    A genuine question: What is Russell Martin capable of being?

    Realistically, are we looking at .200-.210 or .250-.260? Or are there people that believe Martin will hit at a .270-.280 clip in the second half?

  17. Jerkface July 11th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    If the season ended today, who would be the MVP? Answer this question or be gone from this earth.

  18. Jerkface July 11th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    A genuine question: What is Russell Martin capable of being?

    A canadian french to english translator, probably.

  19. DONNYBROOK July 11th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    - MY 1ST HALF MVP’s-

    – NL-
    (1) BRAUN

    (2) McCutchen
    – AL -

    (1) HAMILTON

    (2) CANO

  20. Jerkface July 11th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    Your opinions are terrible.

  21. Jerkface July 11th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    McCutchen is not only having a better season than Braun anyways, but his team is in first place in the division they both play in. You left off Votto, who is also having a better season and whose team is also ahead of Brauns. You rail on everyone for hype and then fail to realize that Hamilton has been OPSing .750 for like a month+ now. Which has basically let the Angels back into the divisional race.

  22. DONNYBROOK July 11th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    You sight one player for having a better TOTAL half season, and fault another for having a sub-par MONTH. Inconsistent. I did Not realize that Hamilton was responsible for letting the Angels back into the race. According to The Hype Bros, it was ALL due to the daring-do of Trout.

  23. Shame Spencer July 11th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    Jerkface July 11th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    A genuine question: What is Russell Martin capable of being?

    A canadian french to english translator, probably.

    ———————

    I was afraid of that.

  24. GregD July 11th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    the DBacks aren’t trading Upton

  25. mick July 11th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    According to The Hype Bros, it was ALL due to the daring-do of Trout.
    =============================================
    The bromance with any young male athlete esp. when they are close enough to be seen is perplexing, to say the least…

  26. Jerkface July 11th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Inconsistent.

    You are, you cannot even follow your own twisted internal logic.

  27. Nick in SF July 11th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    “You sight one player…”

    The eyes have it.

  28. luis July 11th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    Shame Spencer July 11th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
    “I told him, ‘Come back after the break and be the player you’re capable of being,’” Girardi said.

    ——————————–

    A genuine question: What is Russell Martin capable of being?

    Realistically, are we looking at .200-.210 or .250-.260? Or are there people that believe Martin will hit at a .270-.280 clip in the second half?

    ========================

    A cashier in a Tim Hortons franchise?

    He is a what he is a good BUC

  29. luis July 11th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    Sorry hello everyone

  30. Jerkface July 11th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    My realistic hopes for what Martin can do in the 2nd half is hit about .220 with enough walks to push his OBP up around .350 and an occasional HR.

  31. mick July 11th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    you don’t have to be sorry luis…

  32. blake July 11th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    “the DBacks aren’t trading Upton”

    I bet they do

  33. Shame Spencer July 11th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Jerkface – That’d be an improvement so I’ll cross my fingers for the same. If he can just cut down his ridiculously high K rate that would help a lot.. isn’t it something like 20%???

  34. mick July 11th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    Again, maybe someone can edify me as to why Melky was MVP last night.
    Didn’t Sandoval break the game open with the 3 run triple in the 1st?

  35. DONNYBROOK July 11th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    I continue to say Martin should be a Bob Boone “situational” hitting catcher. Bunting when needed or hitting behind the runner at 2nd to move ‘em over. NO MORE swinging from the heels Every time up.

  36. luis July 11th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    JF,

    Good post on the MVP and in your most recent one on Martin….I would hope that he could hit .250 with an OBP of 380, but it could be a tad optimistic

  37. G. Love July 11th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Martin’s playing for a contract. If you think he’s going to become a situational hitter in the 2nd half you’re going to be sorely disappointed.

    The only thing he can pin his hopes on is somehow getting close to 20 HR’s by season’s end since that kind of power is rare behind the plate.

    He’ll be swinging from his heels in the on deck circle.

  38. blake July 11th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Martin has been about a .230 hitter since 2008 and I think about a .220 hitter since joini g the Yanks. He cant hit.

  39. tom tresh 15 July 11th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    GB , If you are around you will enjoy this little tidbit

    This Day in Mickey Mantle History:
    July 11, 1961: In San Francisco for the All-Star game, Mickey and Whitey Ford run up a large bill at Giants’ owner Horace Stoneham’s golf club. Stoneham says the tab’s on him if Whitey strikes out Willie Mays in the game. Whitey does it – possibly with a spitball – and Mickey leaps in celebration in the outfield. No one understands why except for Mickey,

  40. luis July 11th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    Blake,

    He certainly can´t…But one could still hope :(

  41. RMS July 11th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    Martin hit-
    ’06- .282
    ’07- .293
    ’08- .280

    Since then he has steadily declined.

    As far as swinging from the heels, if he continues he will dig himself into a deeper and deeper hole. Goodbye big money contract.

  42. Shame Spencer July 11th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    blake July 11th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Martin has been about a .230 hitter since 2008 and I think about a .220 hitter since joini g the Yanks. He cant hit.

    ——————-

    Can he learn to not strike out?

  43. blake July 11th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    “Can he learn to not strike out?”

    maybe…but he’d probably replace them with pop ups

  44. luis July 11th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Can he learn to not strike out?

    ==================

    In his dreams maybe or in a blowout game. I wouldn´t count on him offensively wise. I understand that he is very well respected in the dugout though. But inside the lines of play, I wouldn´t expect much from him.

  45. blake July 11th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Buster Olney
    ?@Buster_ESPN

    Follow
    Another Justin Upton fit could be ATL. Could build deal around Prado,P prospects. Prado plays 3B for Ariz., Upton takes Bourn $ slot in ’13.

    more like they’d deal prospects for Upton and move Prado to 3B next year. Prado is a FA after next year……they wouldn’t want him I don’t think unless more went with him and if the Braves make that deal then suddenly they don’t have a 3B next year….Buster is bad at this

  46. mick July 11th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Again, maybe someone can edify me as to why Melky was MVP last night.
    Didn’t Sandoval break the game open with the 3 run triple in the 1st?
    =============================================
    No reply as usual.
    With all the creative thinking that goes on here, it makes me wonder about the depth of baseball knowledge or lack of it.

  47. luis July 11th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    blake July 11th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
    “Can he learn to not strike out?”

    maybe…but he’d probably replace them with pop ups

    =================

    LMAO This hurt ;)

  48. RMS July 11th, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    No reply as usual.
    With all the creative thinking that goes on here, it makes me wonder about the depth of baseball knowledge or lack of it.

    —————————————————————————-
    mick,
    Maybe nobody cares about an exhibition game.

  49. Jerkface July 11th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    Again, maybe someone can edify me as to why Melky was MVP last night.
    Didn’t Sandoval break the game open with the 3 run triple in the 1st?

    Melky went 2 for 3 with a HR and started the rally in the first. There you go.

  50. tomingeorgia July 11th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    53 hours until baseball.

  51. mick July 11th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Melky hits a 2 run HR to make it 8-0 and he gets MVP?
    Forget the single in the 1st, Sandoval won that inning.

  52. Jerkface July 11th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    Melky hits a 2 run HR to make it 8-0 and he gets MVP?
    Forget the single in the 1st, Sandoval won that inning.

    Melky went 2 for 3 with a HR. Sandoval went 1 for 2. So Melky is the MVP, there you go.

  53. Jerkface July 11th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Melky’s first run was the margin of victory. Maybe if the AL had scored some runs it would have been different. But in a rout Melky had a HR and was 2 for 3.

  54. mick July 11th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Sandoval’s hit was the game winning hit.

  55. Jerkface July 11th, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Sandoval’s hit was the game winning hit.

    No it wasn’t, because the AL did not score anything.

  56. Jerkface July 11th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    Ryan Braun had the ‘game winning hit’ which is an actual stat that is tracked.

  57. mick July 11th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Melky’s first run was the margin of victory.
    ==========================
    Ryan Braun had the ‘game winning hit’
    —————————————————–
    Which Braun drove in and he also wen 2-3, game over, Braun MVP.

  58. Jerkface July 11th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Which Braun drove in and he also wen 2-3, game over, Braun MVP.

    Now you’re changing your mind. Braun didn’t have a HR and Melky had to be on base to score the run! And that is why Melky was voted MVP by MLB.

  59. Shame Spencer July 11th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    MVP of a game is a little hard to determine.. that’s why on YES they let people vote via text message.

  60. CCBiggs July 11th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    Remember the days when there was all that talk about the great catching depth in the Yankee system? Well, Yanks have a real need and there is no one in the minors to fill it. (This is similar to the hype about the “Killer B’s”, none of whom have been able to lend a hand when two Yankee starters went down).

    The lesson here is: Don’t believe the Yankee hype about minor league talent. It’s totally over rated.

  61. mick July 11th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    I’m thinking out loud,
    Is that allowed?

    Melky’s HR was irrelevant.
    Braun knocked in the game winning run in a rout.

    Cain’s almost perfect 2 innings puts him ahead of Melky.

  62. Shame Spencer July 11th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    KURODA party over here :arrow:


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