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Postgame notes: “What an awesome situation to come up in”

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After the way that the game had been going for the Yankees, it seemed fitting that Alex Rodriguez was up with the bases loaded and a chance to give his team a dramatic walkoff win. A-Rod had homered earlier in the game, ending a homerless drought that lasted 49 at-bats, but he popped out with the game on the line, giving the Angels a 10-8 win on Sunday.

“What an awesome situation to come up in, I just came up a little short,” Rodriguez said. “The guys battled for nine innings, and we won a good series. That’s the objective.”

The Yankees did take two of three from the Angels, and fought back to put themselves in a position to sweep today. The pitching was not good, but this team has shown an undeniable knack for making comebacks. After all, they lead the majors with 29 come-from-behind wins.

“That’s how you win games and come from behind,” Joe Girardi said. “It’s unfortunate, but we were one hit away.”

• Much of the chatter before the game was about the drop in A-Rod’s numbers when he plays third base, as opposed to DHing, but he swung the bat pretty well today while playing in the field. His first inning swing was one of his best of the season, as he stayed back and drove a ball off of Jered Weaver with authority over the right-center field wall. “I took some great swings and felt good about them,” A-Rod said.

• In total, the Yankees hit four home runs. Curtis Granderson, Eric Chavez and Mark Teixeira all went deep.

• As good as the Yankees offense was at times today, they also made some critical mistakes — particularly in the third inning. After back-to-back singles from A-Rod and Robinson Cano put runners on the corners with one out, Cano got caught sleeping at first base. While he was stuck in a rundown, A-Rod made the poor decision to bolt for home. Both were tagged out, leaving Teixeira stuck with the bat in his hands. “We had some bad reads is what we had, and that’s going to happen,” Girardi said. “It was guys being aggressive, and I don’t mind them being aggressive, but sometimes they’re going to make mistakes. That’s the human part of the game.”

• Yankees starter Ivan Nova clearly didn’t have it from the get-go today. He gave up back-to-back homers to Erick Aybar and Albert Pujols in the first, and labored throughout the game. He gave up six runs and nine hits in 6+ innings to drop to 10-4 on the season. Nova said he couldn’t command his fastball. Girardi said he didn’t have any of his secondary pitches working today. Nova summed it up pretty well. “I didn’t have my good stuff today,” he said.

• Nova’s outing could have been even worse if not for a tremendous defensive play from Granderson in the third. Rookie sensation Mike Trout — who seems to get more impressive with each passing game — blasted a ball to deep centerfield. If it wasn’t going to go out, it looked like a sure extra-base hit. But Granderson put on the burners and tracked it down just before hitting the wall, making one of the best over-the-shoulder catches you’ll ever see. He really has been awesome defensively since coming to the Yanks, and always seems to get great jumps. “I was at my normal depth that I like to play,” Granderson said. “By the time I was able to look up, I saw that I still had some room, and I was able to reel it in. As I’m putting my head down and running back to it, I kind of know where the fence is. … This wall in particular is probably the hardest one in all of baseball because there’s just concrete behind it.”

• Nova was eventually pulled before an out had been recorded in the seventh, giving way to Chad Qualls. Qualls was not very effective, either, surrendering three runs in the eighth to allow the Angels to take a 9-5 lead. “I had used Cody (Eppley) for two innings the day before and had used (David) Robertson,” Girardi said. “If it’s tied, we go to Robby there, but because we were losing and (Qualls) did a pretty good job the inning before for us to get the double play, I stuck with him.”

• Prior to A-Rod’s pop out to end the game, Granderson worked a great eight-pitch at-bat against reliever Scott Downs to draw a walk and drive in the eighth run. “Downs has always had really good success against me,” Granderson said. “He’s a hard guy to pick up, even talking to the right-handers, because his ball has so much depth to it and his offspeed stuff keeps you off balance. The main thing was try to get something up in the zone and put it in play.”

• Cano had two hits on the day, extending his hitting streak to 18 games to match his career-high.

• Girardi didn’t have much of an update on either Andy Pettitte or Brett Gardner. Pettitte was scheduled to have an X-ray, but Girardi said he hadn’t heard anything yet. He said Gardner had four at-bats in a simulated game, but said they won’t know for a couple of days whether or not he can continue along in the rehab process.

• Here’s Angels manager Mike Scioscia on the stressful ninth inning: “When you’re playing against deep lineups, you’re looking for every run you can get and you use as many bullpen guys to match up even though you have what may be considered a safe lead. Those guys aren’t going to quit playing and we walked four guys in the ninth inning. We loaded the gun for them, and they almost pulled the trigger.”

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173 Responses to “Postgame notes: “What an awesome situation to come up in””

  1. tomingeorgia July 15th, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    Alfonse and Gaston at the golf tournament today.

  2. mick July 15th, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue July 15th, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    tomingeorgi, perhaps remote, but imagine the Pirates playing the Yanks in the WS!
    ====================================================
    You are too young to remember but Man do we owe them one!

  3. RMS July 15th, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    Nice comeback try by the Yanks. Nova didn’t have it today and neither did Weaver.

    My only issue is with Russell Martin who is dead weight at the plate. It might not look concerning to some, but in the playoffs he will be a sure out.

  4. tomingeorgia July 15th, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    mick,
    I do remember, and we really ow them one. I think the scores were 61 to 12 for the Yanks for the seven games.

  5. mick July 15th, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    I couldn’t believe we lost that game 7 tom, i didn’t know how to react so i cried.

  6. mick July 15th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    any team can come out of the NL, Nats and their pitching could be the favorite.

  7. tomingeorgia July 15th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    mick,
    I said bad words.

  8. mick July 15th, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    any new milestones to celebrate tom?

  9. mick July 15th, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    it’s funny how everybody leaves the blog at the same time
    is it still a blog if no one is here?

  10. tomingeorgia July 15th, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    mick,
    As I said, every sunrise. May be marrying a couple next weekend. My sister turns 74 tomorrow. Going to pay my utility bill tomorrow. Maybe I’ve left something out.

  11. mick July 15th, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    well tom you had a great run of bdays and annys….same time next year.

  12. tomingeorgia July 15th, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    mick,
    Your keyboard to God’s ears.

  13. mick July 15th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    in the meantime good job as pastor of the lohud.

  14. tomingeorgia July 15th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    mick,
    Bless you my son, and do no sin.

  15. mick July 15th, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    ground control to major tom..

  16. mick July 15th, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

  17. mick July 15th, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    Ground Control to Major Tom – YouTube
    ? 4:45? 4:45

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFks9A9TCF0

  18. mick July 15th, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    is there a game tonight?

  19. ron July 15th, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    If anyone would trade granderson,who would it be for,and how do we cover cf when he is gone?

    Also,is it a good idea to extend him when he will be about 32 years old,after the 2013 season when his option year is over?

  20. blake July 15th, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    The Phillies’ forthcoming offer to Hamels is “expected to be in the ballpark that they know the left-hander will want, this close to free agency,” tweets ESPN’s Buster Olney. I’m guessing Hamels would have his eye on a contract worth $23-25MM annually over six-plus years, if he reaches free agency. – Tim Dierkes

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com

    The Phillies payroll is going to be high….

  21. blake July 15th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    missed pretty much all of the game today….got a sick one at home and was dealing with that. Can’t win them all….2 of 3 I’ll talk every time against the top teams…..Yanks scouting the Dbacks and Cubs FWIW according to Morosi.

  22. sunny615 July 15th, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    Qualls… Someday someone will know why he’s of this team and why he’s even given the ball in a close game.

  23. longtimefan July 15th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    Always good to win a series but in reality we had a chance to sweep if Qualls had not been brough in the 8th and down only 1 run then we would not have to depend on Arod for a big hit because we know its not coming.

  24. LGY July 15th, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    Sign the petition to keep Jeremy Lin on the Knicks!!! :D

    http://www.change.org/petition.....kets-offer

  25. blake July 15th, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    Glad to hear Cash say they are open to bending their extension policy….that’s a good sign because it’s something they are going to have to do if they are going to operate on a budget…..I’d love to get Cano to sign about a 6/120 extension and Granderson like a 4/60ish one…..both of those might be a bit optimistic but those are the numbers I’d shoot for.

  26. blake July 15th, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    like I said I didn’t see the game and I would hate to lose a game because of Qualls….but Girardi has earned some slack this year….he’s been pretty much great this year IMO…..when you score 8 runs and don’t win it almost always comes back to the starting pitching at the end of the day….

  27. mick July 15th, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    qualls was a last resort, the pen being spent.

  28. blake July 15th, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    If the Phillies can offer that much money for Hamels then IMO they should trade him for as much as they get and then just tell him they’ll match any offer he gets this winter….if he wants to stay there then he’ll stay….and they’ll get some prospects on top of it…..signing Hamels to a big extension doesn’t make the Phillies better…..if just makes them the same

  29. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    Tom and Mick- No doubt you are talking about the 1960 WS:

    Oct. 13, 1960

    Leading off in the bottom of the ninth, Pittsburgh Pirate second baseman Bill Mazeroski hit a home run over the left-field wall to win the World Series against the New York Yankees. It was the first time a home run had ever ended a World Series. According to reports, Ted Szafranski, 13, caught the ball but returned it to Mazeroski after the game in exchange for two cases of beer. The ball has since been placed in the Hall of Fame.

  30. mick July 15th, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    Sign the petition to keep Jeremy Lin on the Knicks!!!
    =============
    85%

  31. mick July 15th, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    yanks were lethargic today, maybe the heat or bored, their heads were not into it.

  32. tomingeorgia July 15th, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    YT,
    I think Bobby Richardson had 12 RBIs in that series.

    mick, they just didn’t get the big hit. No lethargy involved.

  33. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    Blake-

    Makes sense on Hamels, but if I’m the Philies, I’d be worried that he might go west to the Dodgers if allowed to reach FA.

    Greinke to stay with Brewers for 100M?

    Upton now has NYY on his NT list?

    Starting Pitching, save for Kuroda in his first 6 innings wasn’t very good this weekend. Looks like Dempster might be the first to get traded, which will likely set the bar for what it will take to acquire some of the other pitchers rumored to be available.

  34. blake July 15th, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    Red Sox Report
    Bobby V blames Youkilis for friction

    By Gordon Edes | ESPNBoston.com

    http://espn.go.com/blog/boston.....r-friction

  35. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    Ralph Terry, who had gotten the final out in the Pirates’ eighth, returned to the mound in the bottom of the ninth to finish the job. The first man he faced was Bill Mazeroski. With a count of one ball and no strikes, the Pirates’ second baseman smashed a historical long drive over the wall in left ending the contest and crowning the National League as champions. As the Pirates erupted in a wild celebration, the Yankees stood in disbelief knowing that they had clearly dominated the series, but were unable to finish the task. The improbable champions were outscored, 55-27, and out-hit, 91-60, but in the end the home team prevailed. Years later, Mickey Mantle was quoted as saying that losing the 1960 series was the biggest disappointment of his career. For Bill Mazeroski, it was the highlight.
    —————————–

    http://www.baseball-almanac.com/ws/yr1960ws.shtml

  36. blake July 15th, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    “Makes sense on Hamels, but if I’m the Philies, I’d be worried that he might go west to the Dodgers if allowed to reach FA.”

    yea but if he really wants to go to LA that bad he probably won’t sign an extension anyway I would guess….

    Upton has NY on his no trade list most likely for leverage…..which does suck because to trade for him the Yankees would probably have to rework his contract to get him to waive his no trade…..and his contract is one of the things that makes him attractive.

  37. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    Valentine strongly disputed that he had any problem with Youkilis in spring training, though he acknowledged he was aware that some teammates had issues with Youkilis.

    “Yeah, I was aware of that,’’ Valentine said.

    Did he have concerns that it could morph into a bigger problem?

    “Don’t know,’’ he said. “What’d you think? I inherited that situation. I didn’t cause it.’’

    When asked in April by ESPN Boston if pitcher Josh Beckett had accused him of being a “snitch” — being the source of the “fried chicken and beer” expose in the Boston Globe — Youkilis didn’t deny it.

  38. tomingeorgia July 15th, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    Let’s win now, and worry about what we need next year and forward when we need to.

  39. ron July 15th, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    The yankees are already going to get the best years out of cano,and granderson,and signing cano from 32-38 yrs old,and granderson to a similar contract is risky.

    Also,no way on earth is granderson going to accept 4/60.

    Trade both for 6-8 top prospects that are almost ml ready.

    A 3b,cf,2b,of,c,p.

    That is 6 prospects.

    If needed,we can sign a few free agents to hold us over,and still keep all of our other prospects.
    Maybe we can sign melky,etc…,for a more reasonable contract,not lose a ton of production,lower payroll,and get 3 prospects for granderson,while getting younger.

  40. luis July 15th, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    ron July 15th, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    If anyone would trade granderson,who would it be for,and how do we cover cf when he is gone?

    Also,is it a good idea to extend him when he will be about 32 years old,after the 2013 season when his option year is over?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Ron,

    You would trade him for position prospects or a cost controlled OF. Gardner would take over CF. Since Swisher is gone after this season, you could afford a guy like Melky and still have enough money to extend Cano.

    Even though I love Granderson, I don’t think he is going to age well. That’s another reason to trade him now. If you do this, you get younger, cheaper and you probably add some more depth either on the farm or the MLB roster

  41. luis July 15th, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    By now, I mean in the OS

  42. Against All Odds July 15th, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    They are not going to trade Cano and Grandy for prospects.

  43. ctyankeefan. July 15th, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    Cano is about as little a risk Ive seen to sign someone a decently long deal.

  44. LGY July 15th, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    mick July 15th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
    Sign the petition to keep Jeremy Lin on the Knicks!!!
    =============
    85%

    ———

    Really naive enough to believe that garbage?

  45. blake July 15th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    “Also,no way on earth is granderson going to accept 4/60.”

    maybe not ….but when added to his option thats 5/73….and he’s already 31 years old….he’ll be 33 when the extension would start…..he might could get more than that on the open market….but if he got hurt of declined they’d be chance he’d get less too.

    “Trade both for 6-8 top prospects that are almost ml ready.”

    unlikely you’ll get enough value back especially with Cano who is one of the very best players in baseball and plays a premium position.

  46. luis July 15th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    Odds,

    Not their previous MO, granted…But at this juncture and with the budget ahead, they will have to start thinking out of the “Yankee way” box. I think trading Granderson makes a lot of sense going forward. Even Cano for the right price.

  47. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    Tom-

    I think this years team has some concerns:

    Will the Yankees be able to evaluate Gardner completely before the TD? If his head first basestealing is limited for fear of injury, that removes a potent weapon.

    Can we depend on Garcia, Hughes, and Nova to pitch enough effective innings to not overuse the bullpen, which last year created the biggest collapse in history when the Braves gave up an 8 1/2 lead to the Cardinals when the bullpen imploded down the stretch. Joba not back until he finishes the 30 days of rehab, and will he be able to use his slider as much,, after TJ.

    Would like another OF’er to be available if Gardner cannot play ever day, so that Ibanez and Jones can mainly concentrate on DH duties. GB mentioned Omar Infante who can play all infield and corner OF positions.

  48. blake July 15th, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    I’d maybe shop Granderson this winter if they shouldn’t extend him to an affordable deal…..but I’m not sure they’d get enough value for him to make it worthwhile….you’d just have to shop him and see I guess….

  49. luis July 15th, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    Apparently The Marlins are close to become sellers and Infante could be a very good option for the utility role.

  50. luis July 15th, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    To be honest, I wouldn’t trade Cano. He would be a key role model for the new core. But Granderson i would.

  51. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    Granderson might very well sign for less to stay with the Yankees. Remember his swing has been reworked to take advantage of the 81 regular season games there.

  52. blake July 15th, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    Infante would be a great pick up but what would they want for him? I would think somebody would pay more for him than the Yanks would….

  53. luis July 15th, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    Trader,

    If you resign Granderson, Hughes is a goner then, they can’t afford both.

  54. blake July 15th, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    If I’m Cashman I would approach Granderson this winter with 4/60 added on to his option in 2013……if somewhere in that neighborhood got him locked up then I’d do it…..if not then I’d shop him and see what I could get for him.

  55. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    I’d like to see Phelps brought back up to start. He pitched another shutout 6 plus innings yesterday. Move Garcia back to the bullpen and drop Qualls.

    CC
    Kuroda
    Nova
    Hughes
    Phelps

  56. tomingeorgia July 15th, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    YT,
    All concerns understood, but who’s in a better position? Gardner we miss, granted, but the pitching is fine, and we ain’t the Bravos.

  57. blake July 15th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    Trader,

    I think Phelps and Garcia are pitching the same days for a reason….

  58. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    Blake-

    I don’t know if Infante is even available. He is one of the Marlins who isn’t underperforming. Do you like Logan Morrison, Anabel Sanchez?

  59. JobaTipsHisCap July 15th, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    A-Rod got 2 pitches to hit, the first one and last one.
    It’s pretty bad for him to chase the high pitch when count was 1-1.

    btw, what can they do about Martin? I think he might drop below .150 soon.

  60. blake July 15th, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    I like LoMo….the knee worries me though.

  61. blake July 15th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    “btw, what can they do about Martin? I think he might drop below .150 soon.”

    not much…especially not this year….best hope might be that Romine gets healthy and takes that job next year.

  62. blake July 15th, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    CF Ravel Santana: 2-4, 1 BB, 1 K — threw a runner out at the plate … eight hits in his last 21 at-bats (.381) with three doubles and a homer

    http://riveraveblues.com/2012/.....win-72086/

    good to see him get going….he’s a guy that could jump up some charts if he can stay healthy.

  63. ron July 15th, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    Against All Odds July 15th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
    They are not going to trade Cano and Grandy for prospects.

    ——————————————————————————————————————-

    I agree,but,if we can,while trying to sign decent fa replacements for 2 positions,i think it would be wise.

    Look at arod,jeter,tex.
    It starts out where there numbers decline against same side pitchers.

    We are paying arod a ton of money for 5 more years,while a 3b like edwin encarnancion has 25 hr/61 rbi,and a .961 ops,making 3.5 million.

    I know there is no way of telling how a player like encarnancion will turn out,but it just doesn’t make sense to pay players for what they have already done,and well into their 30′s.

    It looks like teams that keep their prospects,while trading maxed value players that their best years are probably behind them,for other prospects/players,are the teams that are doing well,not like the phillies who traded all their prospects away for aging players,and they have the 2nd highest payroll,right behind us.

    Yes,it looks like the yankees are doing the 2nd best thing,keeping their prospects,and signing free agents.

    It is risky trading a granderson for 3 prospects,but we can possibly get a 3b,cf,c prospect,then sign maybe a melky,and get younger,while lowering payroll,and still compete.

    The key is getting the right 3 prospects in return,or even 2 top prospects,and a lower one.

    Give me a real good 3b prospect,cf prospect,pitching prospect,then sign melky to take grandersons spot,and i’d do it in a second,especially with granderson nearing 32 years old when his option is over,and commanding 15-20 million a year.

    Actually,granderson will be 33 years old in the first year of the new deal.

    I simply would not sign players that old to big contracts.
    One arod is enough.

  64. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    Tom
    The Braves last year had O’Flaherty, Venters and Kimbrell, who before September were the finest 3 bullpen arms in the NL, if not the entire league.

    If the Yankee starters, without Pettitte, with the exception of CC get fatigued and can’t pitch 6-7 innings July and August, do you trust Eppley, Logan, Rapada, to hold the fort until Joba returns 100%. Doesn’t Soriano remind you of John Wetteland-gets the job done but sometimes you have to load up on TUMS!

  65. JobaTipsHisCap July 15th, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    “Red Sox Report
    Bobby V blames Youkilis for friction”

    “Not surprised. As a matter of fact, Maggs (hitting coach Dave Magadan) said he had no doubt if [Youkilis] went somewhere else he’d play better.’’”

    LOL, good stuff.

  66. tomingeorgia July 15th, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    Am I alone in thinking we’re doing OK? Even with Martin being awful? With that in mind, I’m going to bed. See y’all tomorrow.

  67. blake July 15th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    “The key is getting the right 3 prospects in return,or even 2 top prospects,and a lower one.”

    problem is that I don’t see anybody giving 3 good prospects for a year of Granderson….you’d have to find a match that would actually give you enough value that it would be worth not having Granderson in 2013….that won’t be easy I don’t think.

  68. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    Luis-

    There are ways the Yankees can stay within the 189M LT and get started on it this offseason. A lot will depend if they extend either or both of Granderson and Cano. That will give them a head start on what they can further afford to add.

    If Mo comes back, the Yankees should not give him 15M. I think if Mo comes back, I hope Boras finds Soriano a 3 year contract to close elswhere, rather than get 14M to pitch the 6th or 7th inning.

  69. ron July 15th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    It is about how the prospects in a granderson deal turn out,how the fa player replacing granderson does,and the money saved.

    It is not just about replacing grandersons numbers immediately,it is about all of the above.

    Example,trading granderson to the indians for santanna,kipnis,then signing melky to play cf.
    Not saying that would happen,just a scenario,even if we throw a player/prospect in.

  70. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    Ben Sheets 6 innings, 2 hits, No runs5 strikeouts, 88 pitches, 55 strikes.

    The Braves just signed him. He wasn’t even rehabbing in the minors. What a terrific low cost pickup.

  71. blake July 15th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    “Example,trading granderson to the indians for santanna,kipnis,then signing melky to play cf.”

    except I doubt the Indians would trade two cheap guys who both have like 6 years of team control for one year of Granderson who makes a lot more than both of them combined…..if they could do something like that then sure….but getting that sort of value for Granderson will be difficult I think.

  72. blake July 15th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    did Ben Sheets have some sketchy plasma injection procedure this winter?

  73. luis July 15th, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    Trader,

    We are currently suffering a power outage down here, so I had to switch to my BB. Yes, I agree that they will try to extend them both in the winter. Soriano is probably opting out. And hopefully Month takes a pay cut. But I would like them to get younger. The best way to accomplish this is by trading Granderson. As much as I love him, I don’t think his swing will age well. I rather have Melky and move Gardner back to CF. This way you save some money, even extending Cano to 20 mil per year. If this scenario plays out, you could save close 16,5 mil, even resigning Hughes.

    Melky. 12 M plus 2 mil to Grandy
    Cano. 20 M plus 6 mil
    Hughes. 7 M plus 4 mil
    Month. 10 M minus 5 mil
    You save from Swisher, Grandy, Soriano and Garcia 38 mil, you end up saving 31 mil, you are close or below the cap this way

  74. blake July 15th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    I think Melky might cost a lot more than it takes to extend Granderson though….maybe not but I could see him getting a pretty big contract.

    If they could sign Melky for 12 million per and get good value for Granderson in a trade then that would be great….but I’m not sure either of those things are doable..

  75. luis July 15th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Mois month

  76. Against All Odds July 15th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Not their previous MO, granted…But at this juncture and with the budget ahead, they will have to start thinking out of the “Yankee way” box. I think trading Granderson makes a lot of sense going forward. Even Cano for the right price

    —————–

    I think they would trade Granderson if negotiations got nasty but he’s not the type of guy to let that happen. If Grandy is not extended they will let him walk

  77. Against All Odds July 15th, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    Actually,granderson will be 33 years old in the first year of the new deal.

    I simply would not sign players that old to big contracts. One arod is enough

    ———–

    That’s understandable.

    Problem is what team is going to give you three good spects for Grandy. If he was 29 with 2 yrs left on his deal I think it would be easier to do.

  78. jacksquat July 15th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    The time to get good prospects for Granderson was when Detroit traded him to the Yankees.

  79. ron July 15th, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    We don’t know what we can get for granderson,and beltran got the mets wheeler,and beltran was older with a half year left.
    Even if you get 2 top prospects,wich should easily be done considering what beltran got,then sign a fa replacement.

    Look,no player we get is going to replace grandersons production,but it is about not making a mistake signing granderson from 33-37,38,or older.

    Me personally,i’ll take the 2-3 prospects,then sign a replacement.

    Everybody acts like because granderson is mashing now that he will be doing it forever,past his 35th bday,and there is no other,better options.
    Simply not true.

    Even if we decide mason williams is not our future cf,then we combine him with granderson to get our 3b,cf,maybe pitching prospect,maybe throw in betances.

  80. jacksquat July 15th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    You’re not even getting one top prospect for one year of Granderson. That’s a pipe dream.

  81. ron July 15th, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    Beltran at 34 got an elite prospect for the mets,hamels with only a half year left would fetch enough.
    We are talking about top prospects,not ml ready stars.

    Granderson is also not 33 yet.
    We are talking about after his 2013 option year,and starting 2014.

  82. ron July 15th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    jacksquat

    You know that how?

    Why did the mets get wheeler for a 34 year old beltran with a half year left?

    You are way off.

  83. ron July 15th, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    No way that granderson can’t land at least 2 top prospects with a full year of control where you can extend him,or trade him at the next deadline.

    Do you wan’t a team with jeter,arod,tex,cc,cano,granderson,all in their mid to late 30′s,all making 15-25 million a year,with zero trade value,not being able to add another player even if you wanted to?

    If the farm system does not produce,we are dead in the water,unless all of them produce at high levels throughout.

    There is another way.

    The mets got the 35th best minor league prospect in all of baseball for a few months of beltran,they did have to pay 4 million of beltrans salary though,but…

    I

  84. ron July 15th, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    The mets made a massive mistake by not trading reyes.
    Reyes would of landed the mets a minimum of 2 top prospects,and would be sitting much prettier than they are now.

  85. jacksquat July 15th, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    Pre 2011 Wheeler was ranked #55, when he was traded he had a 3.99 ERA in A ball. Even then, the Giants gave too much for Beltran. It was also mid season when teams in contention are more desperate. There are more options in the offseason.

  86. jacksquat July 15th, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    Do you wan’t a team with jeter,arod,tex,cc,cano,granderson,all in their mid to late 30?s,all making 15-25 million a year,with zero trade value,not being able to add another player even if you wanted to?

    Not trading Granderson and having him for 2013 is not the equivalent of signing him into his late 30′s, yet somehow you are making that jump.

    Yanks could just let Swisher walk, sign Melky and let Granderson go after 2013.

  87. ron July 15th, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    jacksquat July 15th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
    Pre 2011 Wheeler was ranked #55, when he was traded he had a 3.99 ERA in A ball. Even then, the Giants gave too much for Beltran. It was also mid season when teams in contention are more desperate. There are more options in the offseason.

    ———————————————————————————————————————–

    So lets keep granderson for half of 2013,then trade him for more.

    Silly.

    Also mets made a huge mistake by not trading reyes when they could of gotten 2 top prospects.
    Same mistake yankees would make by letting granderson walk.

  88. PittsburghYankeeFan July 15th, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    Pirates versus Yankees in WS–all I can say is wow. Six rows behind home plate for me. AJ Burnett against the team he dominates (remember his Blue Jay years)? I would be in heaven for two weeks, and honestly not care who won. There is a chance (albeit small) of this happening. Pirates pitching needs to step up, and I’m not sure they can. The Yankees, on the other hand…

    Forget trading Granderson or Cano. Unless Curtis wants to go back to Detroit, this is where he is staying. Same with Cano. More importantly, what are they going to do with an aging 3B making $25 million per year? That is a far more important question. Guess what? Their young pitching plus CC (and maybe Andy) will save them. They are going to the WS this year barring a major disaster.

  89. jacksquat July 15th, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    So lets keep granderson for half of 2013,then trade him for more.

    Silly.

    How often do you see the Yankees trading away good players mid season when they are in contention, which is nearly every year now? That’s not happening unless they suck.

  90. ron July 15th, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    I’m talkin about after the 2012 season.

    Why not sign a fa,trade him for prospects,instead of signing him for 5 years,through his 37th b/d,getting nothing for him.
    Players like encarnancion are playing better than arod for 3.5 million a year.

    Now you have the fa you signed,prospects for trading him,lower payroll,wich allows you to spend elsewhere.
    The fa replacement alone might give you most of grandersons production with hopefully a lower payroll,younger player,and avoiding a painfull contract.

    You will see exactly what i mean when you are watching arod on the bench everyday in 2 years,with 3 years still left on his contract.
    Already arod is showing signs of being only a dh.

  91. luis July 15th, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    Just a thought… Don’t you guys think that a slugging CF is very rare and very valuable?… If you say yes, then why do you think we won’t get anything worthwhile from him in a trade?

  92. jacksquat July 16th, 2012 at 12:59 am

    In the middle of the season you might get one good prospect. But you know the Yankees aren’t trading Granderson or any very good player unless their season is awful.

    In the offseason I don’t think you get a lot for 1 year when he’s not cheap.

  93. Jerkface July 16th, 2012 at 1:46 am

    In the offseason I don’t think you get a lot for 1 year when he’s not cheap.

    I actually think his value would be pretty high, maybe around what it was when the Yankees got him, because he has turned around his hitting and is pretty damn good. If not cost controlled for a long time, I think the 2nd most desirable thing has to be 1 year at a known price. And his option is only 13 million.

  94. Pat M. July 16th, 2012 at 2:17 am

    Shop Curtis and get an idea for what he may bring back…..Sorry Curtis, I’ve been a huge fan of your since the 06 ALDS however my team is facing a serious fork in the rosd and the times are a chagin…….Hopefully winning a ring come October makes this change a tad bit easier

  95. Bronx Bombers 2222 July 16th, 2012 at 2:21 am

    A rod got two pitches right down the middle and he fouled them both off. He can’t do that in a situation like that

  96. Pat M. July 16th, 2012 at 2:51 am

    Bronx Bombers 2222……You do understand that Jepsenm throws a fastball that has some serious gitty-up in the 97 MPH range with sick movement…..Personally , I was hoping that Alex was going to hit a walkoff grandie which would have set an all time new record for Grand Slams…..Perfect setting, just didn’t work out this

  97. 4 NYY July 16th, 2012 at 3:08 am

    Bronx Bombers 2222 July 16th, 2012 at 2:21 am
    A rod got two pitches right down the middle and he fouled them both off. He can’t do that in a situation like that

    ====================

    Yes he can, I saw him do it today ! 98 mph

  98. blake July 16th, 2012 at 6:54 am

    I think they could get some value for Granderson …..just not sure they could get more than he himself.would be worth in 2013.

  99. RYUKINGDOM July 16th, 2012 at 7:06 am

    Mick. Do I remember that 60 series with the Pirates. Was 14 years old and went to Yankee Stadium. Bobby Richardson was a hitting machine and the Yankees offensively was far superior. I was in total shock @ the outcome and will never ever forget that one. I was also @ the game where Sandy Koufax struck out 15 of my Yankees and I so down. My father said that someday you will appreciate what Koufax did as a baseball fan and he was right.

  100. MTU July 16th, 2012 at 7:18 am

    Blake-

    Good morning.

    Hope the little one is feeling better.

    Left you a note yesterday. Don’t know if you saw it.

    Anyway, things with Nova and Weaver did not turn out the way we expected.

    They both spit the bit.

    Too funny.

  101. tomingeorgia July 16th, 2012 at 7:24 am

    Morning, all.
    Pretty sunrise, MTU?
    Hughes rights the ship tonight.

  102. blake July 16th, 2012 at 7:26 am

    MTU,

    Hes still sick….might be strep. I didnt see your note but no Nova didnt have it…..it happens….hopefilly Hughes brings it today

  103. austinmac July 16th, 2012 at 7:28 am

    This will be a tough test for Hughes with his fly ball propensities and the Jays’ power.

  104. MTU July 16th, 2012 at 7:30 am

    Mister Tom-

    Couldn’t tell ya’ since it’s still dark.

    Not worried about our Pitching.

    Blake-

    Good thing we have antibiotics. W/o them strep can be very nasty. Needs to be caught early.

    Good thing is your baby gets to have lots of ice cream when he feels a little better.

  105. Dionysius Thelxinoe July 16th, 2012 at 7:31 am

    Carmelo Anthony characterizes the amount of money Houston is offering Jeremy Lin as “ridiculous.”

    Considering the $15MM balloon payment in the third year, he may be right. But what I think is beyond ridiculous is that given the amount of money Anthony is making, together with the fact that he’s never won anything AND the Knicks played their best in years when he was injured, he has the temerity to make a comment like that.

    Typical swell-headed star who thinks he’s above it all, teammates included. He fits right in with all the other losers Dolan has ever signed or traded for.

    I will never root for this team as long as Dolan owns it. I felt that way even during all the “Lin-sanity” of this past season because I noticed that it all happened while Anthony was out.

    As long as Dolan owns this team, they will remain a dumping ground for selfish, overpaid players no longer wanted by their original team.

  106. tomingeorgia July 16th, 2012 at 7:32 am

    Forgot those extra two hours.

  107. MTU July 16th, 2012 at 7:35 am

    Tom-

    Will you accept this Sunset instead ?

    https://picasaweb.google.com/109721757058432487394/Sunset?authkey=Gv1sRgCInZ9dHiwf__uAE#

    :)

  108. tomingeorgia July 16th, 2012 at 7:37 am

    MTU,
    Spectacular, as usual.

  109. MTU July 16th, 2012 at 7:41 am

    Tom-

    Looking around I find glory in many things.

    And perfection in some of the simple ones.

    Yesterday, I did a local Canyon hike near the house and was treated to a special encounter with a Red Tail at close range (of course no camera w me :( ) as well as an array of beautiful flowers.

    It’s things like these that make feel like a lucky Man.

    :)

  110. blake July 16th, 2012 at 7:41 am

    MTU,

    Yea I kinda hope it is strep then some Amoxicillin should take care of it…..nice pics as usual

  111. Against All Odds July 16th, 2012 at 7:43 am

    I don’t understand why the Knicks won’t match. This teach has blown money on guys that never did anything. Jerome James, Eddie Curry, Vin Baker, etc. But now all of a sudden money is an issue. They look like the guy/girl that spends freely on accessories and vacations but when it comes time to tip the waiter at the restaurant they feel it’s beneath them.

  112. MTU July 16th, 2012 at 7:45 am

    Blake-

    I am grateful the ones who found them, and to those who discovered how to vaccinate us against so many other issues.

    Think of the lives they have saved. Miraculous.

    Glad you enjoyed God’s glory. I sure do.

    :)

  113. MTU July 16th, 2012 at 7:49 am

    Though in the end I fear the bugs might win.

    :(

  114. blake July 16th, 2012 at 7:50 am

    MTU,

    Well said.

  115. MTU July 16th, 2012 at 7:52 am

    Blake-

    Like you said the other day, “I just pulled it out my a*s.”

    :)

  116. MTU July 16th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    It all seemed to start w a moldy piece of fruit and some curiosity.

    Funny how life is. Isn’t it ?

    :)

  117. MTU July 16th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    Anywho. I’d still accept JU on the Yankees if it can be arranged.

    ;)

  118. blake July 16th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    MTU,

    Its funny how something just puts a thought in somebodys head and all the sudden you have fire…..pennicillin…….ipods…..etc……

  119. Against All Odds July 16th, 2012 at 8:00 am

    Yanks could just let Swisher walk, sign Melky and let Granderson go after 2013.

    ——————————–

    That’s probably what they’re going to do. The Yankees don’t trade veteran guys unless they are a problem in the clubhouse: Johnson, Sheffield, AJ,

  120. blake July 16th, 2012 at 8:03 am

    I think the Yanks coukd build a package for Upton but it would likely have to include players off the 25 man roster…..Hughes, Gardner….Robertson ….are guys that would probably interest Towers. It depends on how badly Towers wants a big league ready 3B or SS……if he has to have that then its not a match really.

  121. sunny615 July 16th, 2012 at 8:04 am

    So my question is – is there something wrong with Arod? If so. is it fixable or is it just aging or combination of injuries/age?

  122. blake July 16th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    Alex is hitting .308 in July…..hes just getting older….we have to get past his contract and get past what he used to be because hes not 30 year old Alex anymore…..hes 37 year old Alex….hes still a good player…..but hes not the same guy.

    I think he will actually get better when he adjusts to his new abilities …..and he has been playibg better….he had a pretty good day yesterday. Cant really hang the loss on him when the pitchers gave up 10 runs…..when you score 8 and dont win its the pitchings fault…..

  123. Against All Odds July 16th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    is it just aging or combination of injuries/age?

    ———————–

    That’s what I think it is. The injuries and age have caught up with him.

  124. MTU July 16th, 2012 at 8:09 am

    Blake-

    Yeah. The Aha moment. The moment of insight when the bulb just goes on.

    Pretty cool when we do that sort of thing.

    Sometimes it’s just good fortune. I believe the term is “Serendipity”.

    Either way I’ll take it.

    ;)

  125. blake July 16th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    MTU,

    Hughes, Nunez, Tyler Austin for Upton? Yay or nay? I think Cashman is lurking around the edges on Upton…..with he and Towers relationship and it being a clear need and fit for the Yanks going forward I have to believe he is……..

    the issues though are the trade fit between the teams and Upton having thr Yanks on his no trade….which is likely a business move but it complicates things significantly

  126. MTU July 16th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Blake-

    In a heartbeat. I’d even up the ante if necessary.

    I’d try to hold out Banuelos and Sanchez if I could.

  127. Yankee Trader July 16th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    Good morning everyone-

    MTU-As always, thanks for sharing with us the beauty that surrounds you each and every day. Is there some significance to the Sunset photo-the sun has set on the rest of the AL, because the Yankees are going to the WS!! :)

  128. sunny615 July 16th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    The pitching issues yesterday were obvious, but I was just curious as to why arod has had just a precipitous power decline. From really good to injured, to a singles guy. It’s not like he wasn’t trending that way, but still, to go from hitting over 40 homers to barely 20 seems curious…

  129. MTU July 16th, 2012 at 8:17 am

    JU would be a fool not to waive his NT clause to come to the Yankees.

    His future would be much brigher. He’s worn out his welcome in AZ.

    I wonder why he would even put the Yanks on his NT in the 1st place ?

    Kinda wierd. He doesn’t want to play for the best team in baseball and a perennial WS winner.

  130. MTU July 16th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    YT-

    The Yankees will be right there at the end.

  131. MTU July 16th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    And you’re welcome by the way.

    :)

  132. Against All Odds July 16th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    MTU July 16th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Blake-

    In a heartbeat. I’d even up the ante if necessary.

    I’d try to hold out Banuelos and Sanchez if I could.

    —————————–

    I agree with both statements especially the last one.

  133. Yankee Trader July 16th, 2012 at 8:20 am

    If Justin Upton has the Yankees as one of the 4 teams he won’t accept a trade to, as Blake mentioned yesterday, it might take a reworking of his contract. That would make him an expensive trade option in terms of dollars and prospects.

    If Hughes is in the package, then I hope Cashman has added thru trade another starting pitcher first.

  134. sunny615 July 16th, 2012 at 8:20 am

    what still gets me is why qualls? Out of everyone left over in the bullpen – qualls? Really?

  135. Against All Odds July 16th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    I wonder why he would even put the Yanks on his NT in the 1st place ?

    Kinda wierd. He doesn’t want to play for the best team in baseball and a perennial WS winner.

    ——————————

    One of two reasons he either wants no part of NY or it’s a way to get more money if he is traded to NY.

  136. MTU July 16th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    It’s time for the Mops to walk me.

    If Mrs. MTU doesn’t hog the computer I’ll be back otherwise I’ll catch you later.

  137. blake July 16th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    . “From really good to injured, to a singles guy. It’s not like he wasn’t trending that way, but still, to go from hitting over 40 homers to barely 20 seems curious…”

    Hes on pace to hit 26 and if he got hot he could still reach 30….

  138. GreenBeret7 July 16th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    People are bound and determined to run Hughes out of town, Let’s run Nova out of town, instead.

  139. sunny615 July 16th, 2012 at 8:22 am

    With the Yankees working on keeping Granderson and Cano, I’m not sure the Yankees have the wherewithal to sign Upton to a large contract too. Especially with Hal’s edict for a payroll under $189 M by 2014.

  140. Yankee Trader July 16th, 2012 at 8:23 am

    The big question is why do the Diamondbacks even want to trade him? Is it management? It can’t really be about the comment-not caring what the fans think?
    That team also thought Stephen Drew was a malingerer this year, out too long with an injury.

  141. Against All Odds July 16th, 2012 at 8:24 am

    No one is running Hughes out of town but he could be used as a trade chip.

  142. blake July 16th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    “I wonder why he would even put the Yanks on his NT in the 1st place ?”

    Easy…his agent likely told him to…..if the big market Yankees want you then you can use the no trade as leverage….basically either rework my contract or Im not waiiving the no trade. It complicates it because the Yankees would likely have to extend his contract to get him to agree to a deal….and that makes hin less desirable

  143. blake July 16th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    “People are bound and determined to run Hughes out of town, Let’s run Nova out of town, instead.”

    Lets keep the conversation in context ……..

  144. GreenBeret7 July 16th, 2012 at 8:28 am

    If luck, Upton could reach 15 homers. He’s had one season that could be confused with a 12-15 mil a year player. This sure as Hell ain’t one of them. He hasn’t come close to that type of season two years in a row.

  145. Against All Odds July 16th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    But he’s only 24 yrs old.

  146. Yankee Trader July 16th, 2012 at 8:32 am

    My biggest concern is can Garcia, Hughes, and Nova give the Yankees quality starts-length in games pitched this month and next until Pettitte comes back around the 1st of September. Getting Joba back in the next 3 weeks[30 day rehab] will help the bullpen but will he use the slider as often since he had the TJ.

    That concern translates to wearing out the bullpen. The Braves had the best 3 bullpen arms in the NL last year in O’Flaherty, Venters, and Kimbrell, but the starters didn’t give the team length in their outings and poof, an 8 1/2 game lead disappeared in September.

  147. GreenBeret7 July 16th, 2012 at 8:36 am

    blake July 16th, 2012 at 8:27 am
    “People are bound and determined to run Hughes out of town, Let’s run Nova out of town, instead.”

    Lets keep the conversation in context ……..

    ————————————————————————————————————————

    You and half of the others have included him in any odd trade you could dream up. There’s even one thought that because the Yanks can’t afford to sign him so trade him for Hamels. Yeah that’s sensisible. You can’t afford a player that might cost $6 mil next for one that costs $20.

    Is that the context you were referring to.

    Face facts. People on here shouldn’t be allowed to trade recipes.

  148. sunny615 July 16th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    Is there any way to gauge potential in prospects in the Dominican Summer League or is it too early to tell? Bleacher Report has an article about 5 young Yankee prospects that are smoking the league:

    Christopher Tamarez (SS), Jose Figueroa (OF), Rafael DePaula (RHP), Christopher Cabrera (RHP), and Bryan Cuevas (SS)

    http://bleacherreport.com/arti.....mer-league

  149. Yankee Trader July 16th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    Justin Upton is a mute point. Towers wants a major league young 3rd baseman as #1 priority. They are currently 6.5 games out in the West and still in the hunt.

    The Yankees don’t have a match, and can’t afford to trade a starting pitcher right now.

    Now if the Diamondbacks want a more friendly RF’er that the fans in RF will love-send them Swisher? :)

    That’s an attempt at humor.

  150. blake July 16th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    “You and half of the others have included him in any odd trade you could dream up. There’s even one thought that because the Yanks can’t afford to sign him so trade him for Hamels.”

    You dont follow conversations very well……its just discussion ….if you dont want to participate then dont….youd trade Hughes for Hamels brcause Hamels is a #1 starter and youd try to win this year…….

    Talking about options including a player isnt the same thing as “running them out of town” and you know it…..read the entire conversation instead of picking and choosing and twisting what people say

  151. austinmac July 16th, 2012 at 8:48 am

    I am still on the Hughes wait and see wagon rather than a bandwagon. He has had two bad starts recently. He has stopped throwing his change. I doubt he would be a starter in the playoffs. Trading him is not exactly giving up on the season.

    Still, I don’t think the Yankees do anything at the deadline.

  152. Yankee Trader July 16th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    Of all the possible pitchers that may be traded before the deadline, Garza, Hamels, Greinke, Dempster, the 1st one traded from that list, which I believe will be Dempster, will set the bar for what others will have to pay in quality and numbers of prospects.

  153. GreenBeret7 July 16th, 2012 at 8:50 am

    so you trade Hughes and a ton of talent for Hamels for 3 months and a ton of talent of Upton. You have an empty farm system and a hole in the rotation next year because Hamels ends up in LA. at least you have an underperforming right fielder. The silliness that Upton just needs a change of scenery is a crock. He’s 24. He isn’t even used to that scenery yet. No sense in getting uppity because you and others are called on these bizarre deals.

  154. Yankee Trader July 16th, 2012 at 8:53 am

    If all the starters are healthy, based on their current production and repertoire of pitches, which one of the five, is most likely to pitch out of the bullpen, come the playoffs?

    I think I know what your answer will be?

  155. blake July 16th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    “so you trade Hughes and a ton of talent for Hamels for 3 months and a ton of talent of Upton.”

    Hughes is a FA after next year…….he may not be part of the Yankees long term plan anyway…..Id trade him for Hamels to.take a shot this year and Id trade him for Upton because hes a potential cornerstone player who is 24 years old on an affordable contract…..its not that hard to understand…..if you disagree then thats fine.

    Either way it has nothing to do with liking is disliking Phil Hughes….

  156. blake July 16th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    Kinda like how you kept complaining about all the “nonsense posts” about the “voodoo math” you didnt understand with AJ……well you saw what happened…….

  157. Against All Odds July 16th, 2012 at 8:58 am

    You have an empty farm system and a hole in the rotation next year because Hamels ends up in LA.

    ———————–

    What hole in the rotation? Next yr it will be some combination of CC, Nova,Kuroda,Andy, Phelps, Pineda, other minor league arms, and guys on 1 yr deals. I’m not even in favor of trading Hughes for Hamels but there wouldn’t be a hole in the rotation

  158. GreenBeret7 July 16th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Stick to being a dentist. It’s less painful.

  159. austinmac July 16th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    I think Upton would be a great addition. One can’t compare him to his brother any more than we can be compared to our siblings. Each of us are different. To say Upton wouldn’t be productive in New York is groundless. He would have the best ability since they acquired AROD. Like all players, time would tell, but I like the odds with a talent like his.

    Trading for a player you will have for three months vs. trading for one you would have for several years is the critical difference. Would Hamels be better than Hughes this year? Of course, but you could do better if you are trading him than a guy who you will lose at the end of the year and a guy you can’t afford anyway.

    I think the best I can hope for with the deadline is teams decide to keep their best players so the competition doesn’t add Hamels, Greinke, Garza et al.

  160. Shame Spencer July 16th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    It’s too early in the morning for there to be so much venom on here lol.. c’mon people. Let’s go back to trading Brett Gardner :D

  161. Shame Spencer July 16th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    “Trading for a player you will have for three months vs. trading for one you would have for several years is the critical difference. Would Hamels be better than Hughes this year? Of course, but you could do better if you are trading him than a guy who you will lose at the end of the year and a guy you can’t afford anyway.”

    The only reason people even mention getting Hamels as a rental is because we don’t know what the next 3-4 seasons hold for the Yanks who will undoubtedly be in an adjustment period before their bigger contracts expire. The thinking could be to make a run at a WS now while you have the strongest team and hope that the good will from that championship carries over while you rebuild a bit and wait until the big money guys drop off. It isn’t ideal of course.. but you could make the argument it’s good for business.

  162. austinmac July 16th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    If this board isn’t to discuss trades we would like, what is it for? To discuss AROD’s last at-bat all day?

    Let people enjoy the board. We are fans. We know we have no power. But, we do have ideas and we like to discuss them with other fans. I enjoy trade talk although I am confident it is all just talk. Talk is free on this board.

    Now, why isn’t Cashman getting Upton for Laird? :)

  163. sunny615 July 16th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    New post… –>

  164. Yankee Trader July 16th, 2012 at 9:09 am

    New Post————–>

    Good morning again.

    Upton for Laird! LOL. Let Towers pick any 3rd baseman in our system! :)

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