Yankees postgame: The wins keep on coming
Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Jul 18, 2012 
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It’s hard to nitpick these days. All the Yankees do is win.
After this 6-0 rain-shortened victory, they had taken three straight, six of seven, nine of 11, 26 of 35 and 36 of 49, making them a season-high 23 games above .500 at 57-34. This was their eighth sweep, one short of their total for all of last season.
“We’ve pitched well and we’ve swung the bats really well the last couple of weeks; I mean really, really well,” Joe Girardi said. “We’ve had some big outputs. We’ve jumped on people early. We’ve come from behind late in games. We’ve tacked on. It’s probably about as good as we’ve played.”
The lead is up to a large 10 games in the East, pending tonight’s activity. But Derek Jeter rained all over that fact.
“It really doesn’t make a difference,” Jeter said. “There are so many games to go. Everyone said our season was over with (two months ago); how bad we were playing; we were terrible; we wouldn’t make the playoffs. … It’s way too early for any of that.”
Mark Teixeira is having a big July. After going 2 for 3 with a two-run homer, he’s up to .326 with three doubles, six homers and 19 RBI this month.
“To me, the season feels like one long slump with just a few hot streaks mixed in,” Teixeira said. “As a power hitter, you’re going to go through a lot of streaks where you don’t do much at the plate. But you can put a couple of weeks together that make up for those down times.”
Teixeira liked his figurine that was given out. So did Nick Swisher.
“Swish asked me for one, so I gave mine to him,” Teixeira said. “It looks pretty good, good swing there. Whoever made it did a great job. I got a big box. I brought them home. My kids will like playing with them.”
Teixeira obviously didn’t like seeing what happened to Brett Lawrie. The third baseman went flying over the rail trying to catch Teixeira’s foul pop in the third and fell into the camera well. He left the game, but the x-rays came back negative. He suffered a bruise below the right calf. The Jays have him as day to day.
“You kind of feel somewhat responsible when you hit a ball and a guy gets hurt on the play,” Teixeira said. “… I’m glad nothing was seriously injured.”
No complaints with Hiroki Kuroda. Not after allowing four hits, fanning five and walking none in seven innings. Girardi praised his slider, splitter and fastball location.
The Yankees did make a roster move after the game, sending D.J. Mitchell to Triple-A and calling up David Phelps.
So now it’s on to Oakland for four games and then three in Seattle. Thursday night’s matchup will feature Freddy Garcia and A.J. Griffin.
MTU,
If Phelps is indeed being showcased then we’ll soon find out. I suspect Cashman desperately wants to add an OF because the entire OF is on shaky ground. Granderson is about to price himself out. Swisher has one foot out the door. And Gardner is moving his elbow under the knife.
Bret-
Response at the end of the previous thread.
P.S.
As I said. I hope we keep him unless it’s for somebody really good.
And in other news.
I had one suck a*s day.
Glad to be here for a while for a little levity.
Tomorrow has to be better. Right ?
I hope some GM makes a strong offer for Phelps. Cashman really needs to add an OF.
Bret-
Could happen. Especially as part of a package.
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luis July 18th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
MTU,
LOL…Far from it!! I am a very lousy handyman!!
Luis-
And I’m an even worse Lawyer.
Phelps is here!
Calling Dr Phelps!
I like Phelps…..he was never a top 100 guy because the stuff wasnt viewed as front line. Decent fastball and decent secondary pitches until refently when both his velocity and breaking ball have taken a jump…..
scouts and these guys who rank stuff are always going to rank the guys that have #1 potential ahead of the guys like Phelps that have lower ceilings but perhaps are good bets to pitch somewhere towards the middle or back of a big leagie rotation.
He does have trade value though because hes a big league reasy starter.
MTU,
Whatever happened to you today, I hope it gets better. Hope the family is ok my friend
curious move. why now? freddy goes tmw. phelps back to longman role?
LoHud needs to know…
Just keep in mind that just a short two years ago nobody thought much of Ivan Nova, in fact during camp in 2011 many thought he was not worth a rotation spot…….Phelps in many ways is more cerebral and polished that Ivan was in 2010 when he came to The Bronx……Watching him just as I did when I watched Ivan was that these guys can be tough to hit and with some expierience and more personalized coaching they can be even better…….At some point in time we as Yankee fans need to embrace the young talented arms that are in the system………..Also, is KC’s Alex Gordon worth trading a pitcher who is likely to win 16-17 games a season for ????? Only at the LoHud do we tend to eat our own !!!!!!
Thanks Luis.
I’m sure it will. This time at least it was not health related.
Blake, reasy??? Could you translate?
MTU,
I am a lawyer, but never practiced, so I guess I am as lousy as you
Phelps + Betances should net a dang good young starting OF controlled through 2014.
I am a lawyer, but never practiced,
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according to arod, neither did montero.
WHY IS PHELPS IN OAKLAND?
Pat M,
QFT
Pat M.-
Are you saying there’s Cannibals here on LoHud ?
Going for shrunken heads and all that stuff.
Got to watch you back around here or you might wind up in a boiling pot with your nostrils sewn shut.
Scary stuff.
MTU,
The good things about bad days is that the next one usually is better. Hope everything is OK
Good to have a rain-delayed new post
Phelps looks like a yankees’ 5th starter to me, and maybe even 3rd in some teams. I always think about the intangibles, those made Nova a MLB starter. They are very similar, even with the difference in speed
If they are showcasing Phelps, asking him the long man is not much of a way to do it. Hopefully, the long man isn’t needed. Then what? Showcase him as a fifth inning guy?
Let him start so we can see what we have over the next couple of months. What is their to lose? If he doesn’t pitch well, put Garcia back in. If he does, he is a long term solution.
I don’t I really disagree with MTU or Luis on Phelps. He can be effective, I think. Virtually everyone is tradeable, however. I expect he has more value on the team than on the market.
jmv-
Always trust what a Dr. says.
That’s my motto.
At least for today anyway.
why trade him? he’s invaluable as a young cost controlled starter. he’s the kind of pitcher that every team wants
i think cash would have to be overwhelmed to get rid of him, maybe trading hughes before him due to the contract situation coming up.
maybe hughes for trout straight up? dreaming, but crazier things have happened
Yanks playing for keeps demoting Mitchell for Phelps.
He is now back to being Freddy’s caddy.
Unless they have a kitchen knife incident planned…
“mick July 18th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
I am a lawyer, but never practiced,
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according to arod, neither did montero.”
Let’s send A-Rod to Seattle, he could make him practice. We’ll take King Felix.
Limited time offer
I do not understand bringing up Phelps at all. They sent him down to stretch him out as a starter, he gives them a great start — 6 2/3, 1 H 11 K — and now he’s back in an overcrowded bullpen that just got the entire day off. He would have started tomorrow for Scranton.
Very strange unless there’s a deal coming down in the next 24 hours.
Freddy hasn’t been bad enough to remove from the rotation. And considering his next 2 starts are against the A’s and Mariners in big ballparks, he’ll likely add 2 more good starts to his resume and solidify his spot.
1st Mitchell, then Qualls, can Rapada be far behind?
..”Also, is KC’s Alex Gordon worth trading a pitcher who is likely to win 16-17 games a season for ?????”
I thibk this is a more complex question than that…..in a vaccum the answer is probably not…..but the question really is would you trade a year and a half of Hughes for a prime age outfielder who is a good defender and a .900 OPS guy vs RHP who is on a pretty friendly contract that extends beyond 2014?
Can they sign Hughes? Do they need offense or pitching more going forward? You have to consider all these things…….
86-
For Freddy ?
Mac,
I disagree about that last part. I think he’s a 5th starter on the Yankees and multiple GM’s value him as a #3 potentially. He won’t sniff the 3rd spot in the NYY rotation – not for lack of ability – but for who surrounds him. Therefore I think he’s (theoretically at least) worth more in a trade. The only question is if the GM who sees his value can meet the Yankees price tag. The highest asking price out there right now is for Chase Headley of all people. The Yankees need to ask the moon for Phelps and sell him as if he is a can’t-miss #3, cost controlled for 6 years. He’s definitely worth an OF but there has to be a match out there. We’ll see.
Phelps was stretched, right? Would that mean Freddy to bullpen or traded?
Very strange unless there’s a deal coming down in the next 24 hours.
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A Freddy deal.
I see a lot of Mussina in Phelps..
Very strange unless there’s a deal coming down in the next 24 hours.
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A Freddy deal.
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That would seem to make the most sense to me.
“I am a lawyer, but never practiced”
I did the opposite.
I never practiced so I’m not a Lawyer.
see ?
Mick,
I think they are seriously thinking bumping Garcia back to the pen. This may be his last start, although I think he will do very well (Oakland is the perfect opponent and Stadium for Garcia). Letting Phelps start until Pettitte returns makes sense for the long run. You get to see if he is an option for the 2013 rotation, which would bring more certainty to it (you only need to fill one spot in this case).
“I am a lawyer, but never practiced,
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according to arod, neither did montero.”
Hey mick! Hey all!
Just checking in. I’m watching the Suxers, hoping to bring them all the good they deserve, hee hee hee.
In terms of today being the tomorrow you worried about yesterday, and extending that over the course of the Yankee season to date, it’s apparent that there was beaucoup needless worry and concern.
Keeping it simple, I still maintain that if you know your team, you never allow yourself to get into any kind of twist. And I know it can be done, because Pat M for one called it right at the beginning of the season. And so did I.
Extending it to the end of the season, smart money has you enjoying this magnificent season instead of dissecting it and accepting losses as part of the season, regardless of how they happen.
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
“Phelps + Betances should net a dang good young starting OF controlled through 2014.”
Who?
Oakland is the type of team that would salivate over Phelps.
What do they have that we want?
In addition to being talented Phelps is a pretty smart dude.
Check his college transcript at Our Lady.
In that sense, he is a ton like the Moose (no pun intended).
I would guess Phelps would make Freddys next start…..they oitched the same day last turn and Phelps deserves the shot.
It does seem like an odd time to bring Phelps back. Does it say nothing more than they can’t tolerate Mitchell in the long man role? I don’t get it.
Phelps + Betances should net a dang good young starting OF controlled through 2014.
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Is this post for real??
So what is Mr. Phelps mission?
Trisha-
I was on the same team as you and Pat.
Always was and always will be a Pitchin’ Man (sorry Randy).
“What do they have that we want?”
Nobody theyd trade I dont think….Oakland doeent really need pitching.
So Freddy is here for tmw only to back up Freddy, then gets his next start regardless?
What if Freddy is lights out, then Phelps hasn’t pitched in 10 days on Freddy’s next start.
Doesn’t make much sense…
“Phelps + Betances should net a dang good young starting OF controlled through 2014.”
Who?
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I don’t know but those two should be worth that level of value.
UE-
Whatever it is I guarantee you it ain’t “impossible”.
make that….So Phelps is here
Betances is worth nothing right now and Phelps is a 4th starter
If Phelps is on the team to be the long man, I dont think is the best way to use the pitching depth. I doubt that Cashman will trade a SP now with the uncertainty of Pettite (unless there is a deal that he can not refuse). Since Phelps was called up he should start, he is on a serious roll right now there is no reason to mess with that
It may be as simple as the Yanks have a 10 game lead and they want to give Phelps a shot to either build trade vakue or gain experience for next year…..Freddy likely wont be back next year and has already shown he can stay sharp pitching sporadicly put of the pen….why not let the kid pitch and see what he can do.
Oakland is the type of team that would salivate over Phelps.
What do they have that we want?
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Josh Reddick is about the only one I’d want. Can move into LF and then take over RF next year.
something could be heating up on the W. Coast….oak, sea, LA, take your pick…
would they have to bring phelps there to audition?
can’t see freddy bringing much back…
‘Betances is worth nothing right now and Phelps is a 4th starter’
There was a report recently saying that the White Sox are interested. Now what would they be willing to give up is the question
You would not want Cespedes?
Greetings JCPD.
How goes the War amigo ?
Not with his contract attached
luis…….Not certain what QFT stands for, then again maybe I don’t need to know…….Phelps has more value than Freddy Garcia does unless you’re a contender in need of a vet for 12 starts or so……..
“Freddy hasn’t been bad enough to remove from the rotation. And considering his next 2 starts are against the A’s and Mariners in big ballparks, he’ll likely add 2 more good starts to his resume and solidify his spot.”
Absolutely with you. And I will be really disappointed in this organization if they trade Freddy, only because I think he’s earned the right to continue here.
However, in terms of pragmatics, there probably couldn’t be a better time to let Phelps get his feet wet than with the Yanks 10 games up. They could afford to have Phelps be less than perfect with that much of a lead.
I really value loyalty. But if they known Gardner isn’t coming back and think they can get a good OF in trade for Freddy, they’d probably need to do it.
Since I am only playing off the posts I read in this thread and don’t know any more background than that, I’m just commenting on what Yanks 27 said.
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GRRR! Cody Ross just smashed one. My fault for not paying better attention.
I wouldnt say Betances is worth nothing…..but his value is down enough to where you likely arent going to get enough back to trade him……
Mtu i couldnt resist. but should have.
Pat M. July 18th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
luis…….Not certain what QFT stands for, then again maybe I don’t need to know…….Phelps has more value than Freddy Garcia does unless you’re a contender in need of a vet for 12 starts or so……..
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QFT means quoted for truth…I am saying that i am in complete agreement on your take.
“Bret The Hitman July 18th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
You would not want Cespedes?”
Do you think the A’s would deal him? Looks like a long shot
UE-
Nah ! Resistance is futile.
jmv-
Hope you had a nice trip.
Send photos when you get a chance.
If Freddy has a knife accident, Phelps could start tomorrow.
That’s what I am seeing here…
MTU,
I’ll send some photos! Just need a couple of days to settle down
I’ve got 25 minutes left for one of you to tell me who the Yankees are tradin’ for whom ?
Please do so. That way I get a nice restful night’s sleep.
Or maybe not ?
Phelps comes thru flying colors Freddy to pen or traded…
Phelps might get you Seth Smith, but not Reddick or Cespedes. Would have to include a lot more for one of them.
I don’t want him traded, though. He’s an excellent candidate for the # 4 starter in 2013.
Get what you can for Freddie and move on. It’s not fair to him to get bumped with how he’s been pitching. Since those 4 godawful starts to open the season his ERA is 2.36 over 34 plus innings.
“mick July 18th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
If Freddy has a knife accident, Phelps could start tomorrow.
That’s what I am seeing here”
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This year a no-knives clause was included
MTU, I’m well thanks, other than having a few teeth pulled. I’ve got four days off next weekend so I think I may hope in the car and take a road trip down to NC to check it out for possible future relocation.(with my camera of course).
I like Phelps as much as the next guy, but some of you are way too deep into the shiny new toy syndrome. The guy isn’t invaluable. I don’t think anyone on earth has ever suggested he’s ace material. He’s a pitcher that, so far, is pitching above his prospect status. And good for him, he may continue to do it, or he may not.
If the Yankees can capitalize on his current value, so be it. If they don’t, that’s cool too.
This trading deadline is going to be quiet compared to other years. A lot of teams are still within striking distance of a playoff spot. I dont expect the Yanks to make much noise, maybe pick up a reliever.
It makes no sense to skip Phelps next scheduled start to come here and be a long man again, not when he’s already stretched out..
I like Cespedes, but the A’s are having some success. They won’t trade him in my view. The ball comes off his bat in the way of a select group. He is hitting over .280. He has had some injuries, but I can’t conclude much from that. I still wish they had gotten him. Oh well.
Have nova and hughes come into their own? Would you call them edtsblised? How do opponents feel about them? I think this year they ve arrived even though they both had 28 win seasons in past
Pat M,
I wouldn’t trade Phelps at this juncture…I know he has more trade value than Garcia…But if they want to go below the 189 mil mark, they will need to keep him…I think their blueprint is to rely on a cheap rotation through 2013 and 2014…This means that you need inexpensive options and Phelps falls in to that category…Also, I like what Phelps brings as a pitcher (repertoire, pitching savvy and poise)…I used some of the info you shared about him to make my case on Phelps
JCPD-
“I may hope in the car”
I’m sure there will be if you’re off to NC.
Be sure to check in w. Big Al and tell him I said hi.
Be sure to duck when you do.
This trading deadline is going to be quiet compared to other years. A lot of teams are still within striking distance of a playoff spot. I dont expect the Yanks to make much noise, maybe pick up a reliever.
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Quiet is their new M.O…..they quietly pick up relievers and bullpen help while others are sleeping…
“I do not understand bringing up Phelps at all. They sent him down to stretch him out as a starter, he gives them a great start — 6 2/3, 1 H 11 K — and now he’s back in an overcrowded bullpen that just got the entire day off. He would have started tomorrow for Scranton.”
I definitely understand bringing him up, especially if Qualls was sent down. (I think that’s what I read). Not a question that the relief has been a little shaky. So he would fill in where needed.
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MTU, I definitely know you’re a pitching man but I thought you weren’t feeling so great about our hitting. It could have been someone else. You’ve never been the skitterish type! I think Straw falls into that same camp.
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“It does seem like an odd time to bring Phelps back. Does it say nothing more than they can’t tolerate Mitchell in the long man role? I don’t get it.”
It could be as simple as wanting Mitchell to get more time in as a starter and feeling that Phelps is ready to be in the Bronx, so he could end up in the role of long man, spot starter. Why not? It isn’t like Phelps is going to wilt if he isn’t put in the rotation!
It could be many things. And so we wait.
Bret, I wouldn’t mind Cespedes either, I just think I’d rather have Reddick. That being said I wouldn’t pout with Cespedes.
RadioKev,
Phelps isn’t invaluable, but is making a case for himself. The point is that he, right now, has enough value as a starter. Rather keep him than trade him for a rental.
luis July 18th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Pat M,
I wouldn’t trade Phelps at this juncture…I know he has more trade value than Garcia…But if they want to go below the 189 mil mark, they will need to keep him…
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Nah. He could help bring back a cost controlled outfielder. Someone has to replace Swisher too. Or help the team now. Trading Phelps doesn’t necessarily hurt the cause to $189m.
MTU – you should know better than to put stock in trade talk on this forum! It’s fraught with too much personal want and not enough solid information.
Since whatever is going to happen is going to happen, you might as well chill and let it happen since we can’t change it anyway!
Do you agree that it could be as simple as Phelps becoming the long man/spot starter?
guys, nobody really doesnt like phelps, but here’s the deal:
the yankees are the best team in baseball. its ALL IN right now!
if phelps figures into a deal that improves this team’s chances of winning this year, you move him.
i know we say we’re always in it to win the championship.
but this is the time to pull out all the stops and go for it!
i hope phelps is around the next few years but more than anything i want to see joe girardi change his uniform # next season!
I’m on the record as not wanting to trade the Mission Impossible Man unless it’s for somebody really good.
That’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it.
So some here think Phelps might be starting against Freddy tomorrow night?
Question is which uniforms they will be wearing…
jmv July 18th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
RadioKev,
Phelps isn’t invaluable, but is making a case for himself. The point is that he, right now, has enough value as a starter. Rather keep him than trade him for a rental.
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Sure. I don’t think anyone in the organization is forcing the guy out. It’s just that his value is at his highest, and he’s an expendable part of this current staff. 5th/6th starter? Long man? You can move that. It all depends what we could get in return.
“Ys Guy July 18th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
guys, nobody really doesnt like phelps, but here’s the deal:
the yankees are the best team in baseball. its ALL IN right now!
if phelps figures into a deal that improves this team’s chances of winning this year, you move him.
i know we say we’re always in it to win the championship.
but this is the time to pull out all the stops and go for it!
i hope phelps is around the next few years but more than anything i want to see joe girardi change his uniform # next season!”
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That’s the spirit!!!!
Well since nobody is paying much attention to what I have to say (thanks MTU for responding to what I said!
” I’ll leave you with this thought.
The Yankees will NOT trade Phelps.
I’d like to say I am guaranteeing that, but I did guarantee that Montero would neever be traded. So the best I can say is that IMO it would make no sense for the organization to let Phelps go anywhere.
When you are 10 games up and have the best record in the majors, it’s hard to imagine that there’s anything you really need. Coals to Newcastle, IMO.
Trisha-
It could although I do not favor that.
I enjoy the trade banter. It passes the time.
Hope you are eating your spicy food as planned and, of course, are not misbehavin’.
Kev,
It might hurt…Without him you may need to bring two FA SP…I am willing to bet that Pettitte is not going to take a 2,5 mil contract again…Then it would depend on what kind of OF you get via trade…If you get an Upton, you gut the farm and on top of that you get a big contract to pay for…I agree that they do need another bat, the problem is what would be the price and at what point it hurts you more than help going forward.
Ys Guy,
I’m down with that. Yanks should go for it.
RadioKev,
I agree that if he brings a cost-controlled OF, the 2014 project stays the same, and would help the team now and long-term. But every team wants to squeeze the Yankees, so I don´t think that’s gonna happen
jmv
the days of squeezing the yanks are over.
“mick July 18th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
jmv
the days of squeezing the yanks are over.”
I do give credit to the ninja, but I refer only to the asking price. Don’t you think so?
I hope either a trade is in the works or Phelps is coming up to take Garcia’s spot in the rotation.
Him coming back up to pitch in long relief or 1 or 2 inning stints seems to me as a little short sighted.
I don’t think Phelps is some stud pitching prospect but he appears to at least have the tools as a back of the rotation starter as a minimum.
What happens if one of their SP goes down for any reason for any length of time, who makes the starts? Adam Warren- sure, NY demonstrated alot of faith in that guy. DJ Mitchell, real doubtful too as he has not had a good year and it could be argued he would need to be stretched out again having been stowed away in the BP for stretches at a time. Ortiz, can’t be him he is not on the 40 man. Not Betances he has seriously regressed. So who would start?
Also, if NY is planning to audition Phelps for a starting pitching role on their team next year it wouldn’t hurt to you know give him some starts when the team has a 10 game lead, right,, not a real panic situation these days in Yankee land. It also wouldn’t hurt for Phelps to build up his innings to keep it from having to jump 40% next year if he were to assume the role.
I do give credit to the ninja
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I credit Hal all the way.
Also, if NY is planning to audition Phelps for a starting pitching role on their team next year it wouldn’t hurt to you know give him some starts when the team has a 10 game lead, right,, not a real panic situation these days in Yankee land.
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Maybe in September, sure as heck no auditions in July. Not to say Phelps shouldn’t start, just refer to the Captain’s point. Look no further to the couple of historic collapses last season…these games count.
Gotta go.
It’s been great talkin’ to ya’.
Have a good rest of your evening.
MTU – I guess I can understand those who truly wan to entertain a trade. But the Yankee organization has to think about the future as well as the present. I trust that they would not get rid of a valuable future piece of the Yankees future just to temporarily shore up the outfield. When you are 10 games up on the competition, you don’t need tto be doing those kinds of things.
On the other hand, and as much as I don’t want to see it happen, they could consider Freddy expendable with that same 10 game lead, and if they can get a decent OF for the rest of the season, I could see them at least entertaining the possibility.
Since I’m from the “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” school of thought, I’m content to think that Phelps is back up for long relief, spot starts. Let him join up for good next season.
Well with a 7-1 lead (and Cody Ross getting his 2nd 3-run dinger of the night) I’m thinking the Sux may have this game. Oh well. They can lose tomorrow.
Good night MTU, have a good one…It was great to share the afternoon with you…A rare treat this days
I agree with RadioKev, all games count. But I don’t see Phelps like an audition. Would it be related to the west coast trip? Pitchers-friendly parks?
Trisha-
The clock is ticking and the train rushin’ on down the line.
See ya’ on the sunnyside.
Remember. It takes a lot more effort to frown than to smile.
It’s a scientific fact.
Night, MTU. Tomorrow is closer!
la roche goes deep and the mets are trailing again.
the nats looking like the best team in the n.l.
Why would they regress Phelps after they just sent him down to stretch out?
The role he had before was one where he pitched a few innings with a couple of days rest.
They are not putting him back in that role.
Something is up…
Igualmente Luis.
Dulce suenos Amigo.
Mick,
would you be more specific about Hal?
Maybe in September, sure as heck no auditions in July. Not to say Phelps shouldn’t start, just refer to the Captain’s point. Look no further to the couple of historic collapses last season…these games count….
radiokev; I agree these games count. Do not agree that Phelps will single-handedly precipitate a BOS or ATL type plummet in the standings resulting in a loss of a playoff spot.
Phelps is a product of the Yankee development system, he is a 25- 26 year old starter. Do you not trust NY’s develpment to give him 5-10 starts? Is he that much of a risk? Probably more important, does NY trust him? If they don’t, it sure tells me a lot of what NY thinks of their pitching development program that they don’t have the confidence in giving a 25/26 a chance with this type of lead in the standings. No wonder they scour the dumpsters for everybody elses pitches they have no confidence in their own… Brilliant. Great plan.
Are you referring to 189?
It might be as simple as giving him Freddy’s start tmw then sending him back down.
Stay out of the kitchen Freddy…
“Remember. It takes a lot more effort to frown than to smile.
It’s a scientific fact.
Which is why you will rarely see me without a smile, Yankee win or Yankee loss! Since I know that they’ll be there in the end, I see no purpose in frowning ever.
Yankee fans need to lower their expectations. Lack of expectation = lack of disappointment. The Yanks aren’t going to win 162 games in any given season.
Have a great night MTU!
jmv
189 exactly + Hal is fiscally responsible.
mick July 18th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Why would they regress Phelps after they just sent him down to stretch out?
The role he had before was one where he pitched a few innings with a couple of days rest.
They are not putting him back in that role.
Something is up…
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There is the possibility that they like the idea of Phelps relieving Garcia, who doesn’t often go very deep into games.
They’ve also shown they believe in this route for young pitchers. They did it with Noesi. (And got his trade value up, and traded him).
Something is up…
I agree…I think they are planning to bump Garcia to the BP…They didn’t need to bring Phelps up to trade him afterwards…He is taking over the spot until Pettitte returns
Got it, mick. And I like to think that something is up…
I also don’t think they would suddenly bump Garcia into the pen. That’s not Girardi’s MO. He usually telegraphs his thinking.
There is the possibility that they like the idea of Phelps relieving Garcia, who doesn’t often go very deep into games.
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mick July 18th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Why would they regress Phelps after they just sent him down to stretch out?
The role he had before was one where he pitched a few innings with a couple of days rest.
They are not putting him back in that role.
mick – again, they might feel that Mitchell needs to work down below more than Phelps.
I’m voting simple. I think you guys always overthink things here. Sometimes the answer is simple. And if Phelps starts and Freddy gets put in the pen, it would be a good time to do it, 10 games up. It could be a simple experiment.
Anyway, we’ll find out soon enough. I’m good to go with waiting for the real answer.
Counting only the muscles that make significant contributions, he concludes that smiling takes one more muscle than frowning (12 vs. 11).
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/040116.html
Sorry dudes, frown away!
For some reason, one start in Oakland and back down could happen.
The final thought I will leave you with is this: pigs get sent to the slaughterhouse.
The Yanks are doing everything well. Unless there’s a crying need, my hope is that they don’t mess with success.
Night all.
trish-maybe it’s as simple as Freddy preparing dinner tonight after a long flight and jet lag leading to a kitchen knife accident?
A shame all the beat writers are in transit. Guess we’ll find out tomorrow.
IMO is NY is simply bringing up Phelps to relieve, and Garcia will remain the starter. I also don’t believe a trade is in the works moving either one of them. NY is doing just what the transaction states, calling up Phelps and sending Mitchell down. No further Yankee planning than that, just typical Cashman reactivity due to probable Girardi input that he needs another BP arm he can rely on as his main guys are getting a little gassed and DJ is not up to the task of pitching 2-3 innings a week so send me someone else in his place. It may be as simple as all this, I may be wrong but that is my bet as to what is really happening.
Again, why would they regress Phelps after stretching him out. Perhaps, they figure he is ready.
Mitchell served no purpose.
Phelps last start was lights out.
yankee21,
Sorry…But that would be very shortsighted in my view..But who knows?
yankee21,
You could be right. Sounds simple. But we are fans. We need to speculate. We need to make imaginary trades, LOL
Phelps and Freddy could just be a changing of the guard, isn’t that simple enough?
Being more serious, I’m with you, Luis. Phelps is a starter. Anything else is a waste of goods.
jmv,
I don’t think there is a trade in the works…I just think that they may be bumping Garcia to the pen…Could be wrong though, but I think it is in their own long term interest to see what Phelps can bring to the table going forward…Garcia has no future with the team, Phelps does.
I predict phelps gets garcias spot. maybe as a showcase for a trade.
nite all….luis, make sure freddy stays out of the kitchen.
or not….
Night, mick
Good night Mick
later jmv…nice chat
later to you luis…
hey, its just as possible they trade phil and need phelps to fill the rotation. who knows?
mick – the pen has struggled lately. Phelps is a sure bet in the pen. The Yanks needed some safety net going to the West Coast. They don’t want Soriano pitching every single game. So they brought Phelps back up and let Mitchell go down to continue to get starts – something he needs.
I see it as one of two permutations. Phelps getting a start because the Yanks are 10 up, or Phelps going to the pen. Since Freddy takes longer to warm, it makes more sense for Phelps to go to the pen where he can go longer innings than the others in the pen.
The only way I could see any kind of trade would be for Freddy – NOT THAT I SEE THAT HAPPENING MIND YOU – and that could happen in terms of getting an OF if Gardner isn’t coming back.
I know one thing though. I don’t have any faith in the thoughts of people here who panic more than they trust. Because I wouldn’t expect anything less than long and complicated scenarios in their minds since that’s all they tend to do. Not criticism – fact.
If we weren’t potentially being without Gardener for the rest of the season, I would say unequivocally that it’s simply to shore up the pen. If the Yanks know something we don’t, they might be looking for an OF. No idea. But it is also possible that it’s nothing more than shoring up the pen IMO.
We’ll see.
no one wished trish a good night, sorry g’nite…
lol
Luis,
I’m on the Phelps bandwagon. Love to see him in the active roster. But don’t really get this move unless someone is on his way out (that could be Freddy to the pen, would be the pitching depth that Yankees love)
garcia has pretty much no value to a contender.
True Mick….Good night Trisha
mets going down again. Nats rolling.
“mick July 18th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
no one wished trish a good night, sorry g’nite…”
Because she never left, LOL. Night just in case, Trisha
I don’t see them relying on the Jones/Ibanez platoon thru August as they will be cooked so a deal for an OF is plausible.
mets are starting to fade. the orioles are collapsing. summer separates the men from the boys.
maybe they saw the results of the mri before they boarded the plane?
ok nite again, enjoy your evenings…
Will get an OF. But don’t expect anything more than a Kearns-clone
Darnell McDonald still shows up on the Yankee roster, and he is shown as being “reassigned”. It says he is not on the active roster, but neither is Melky Mesa, Eduardo Nunez, and Ramiro Pena – and I know they haven’t been DFA.
Anyone?
But don’t expect anything more than a Kearns-clone
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cash is on a roll and won’t make that mistake twice.
They cannot play Jones/Ibanez in a playoff game in the field
They need a Juan Pierre type
Thanks for saying ‘night, gang. I know that it’s not easy to show up in the middle of a conversation and get rapt attention. It’s all good.
I don’t think they are all that careful about having the roster exactly right on the website and often the “status” changes are reflected slowly.
McDonald was DFA, so he no longer counts on the 40-man. I’m guessing they left him there waiting to see if/when he clears waivers in anticipation he might accept an assignment to Scranton.
Exactly jmv,
What was the point to stretch him out if you are going to lose the effort by bringing him back to be the long man? If it was a trade that involves him, what is the point to bring him up and lose Mitchell for 15 days? It has to be that they plan to bump Garcia back to the long man role…Otherwise it doesn’t make sense, or they are reacting with haste if they think Mitchell can’t be counted to pitch some mop up innings.
“cash is on a roll and won’t make that mistake twice.”
Ha! I know you couldn’t resist that, LOL.
But I don’t really expect too much
It has to be that they plan to bump Garcia back to the long man role…
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Luis
When? Tmw or Tues in Sea?
That is the question…
Timing is an issue as if they use Phelps as longman tmw + other days in between, it will disrupt the rotation.
If they are calling up Phelps to replace Mitchell as an emergency long man that’s really bad personnel handling.
They sent him down to stretch him out and be ready to start and now he’s gonna rot in the pen as the 12th pitcher who hardly every worx.
Back and forth changing roles is not a good idea — just ask Joba.
Back and forth changing roles is not a good idea — just ask Joba.
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It also doesn’t let him get innings, which has been a huge problem with the Yankees trying to bring up minor league starters…
Garcia and Phelps were both on schedule to start Thursday.
Okay, my final thought on Freddy/Phelps.
Freddy starts tomorrow night. No way they take Phelps cross country to give him a start when Freddy doesn’t warm up well. Phelps is there to help out in the pen.
That’s as long as both Freddy and Phelps are there tomorrow night.
If Phelps starts again, it won’t be tomorrow night.
“If they are calling up Phelps to replace Mitchell as an emergency long man that’s really bad personnel handling.”
Not necessarily so. It could be borne of two things – the fact that the pen has been ineffective lately and the need to get Mitchell more starts.
Necessity is the mother of invention.
I don’t really think they would have sent him down to be stretched out only to bring him back up and put him in the pen again…..that doesn’t make much sense.
Freddy has shown that he can stay sharp pitching limited innings out of the pen….they should let Phelps start tomorrow and allow him to build his innings, build trade value, and just gain experience in case he’s a rotation option next year…
Phil Hughes has seen both sides of that coin. Looks like he survived.
Freddy starts tomorrow night.
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trish-
how do you know freddy hasn’t had a kitchen knife accident?
Mitchell getting more starts is not an issue.
Not necessarily so. It could be borne of two things – the fact that the pen has been ineffective lately and the need to get Mitchell more starts.
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Phelps needs starts more than Mitchell, because he has shown he can actually start in the majors, which means he needs innings so he can be an option for them. Without innings he has to sit on an innings limit and possible ineffectiveness. It can be bad management AND still have reasons behind it. Both of those reasons does not negate a bad management argument, because there is no need for phelps specifically to be the last guy out of the pen. That is what killed Noesi.
Good point on the innings… I’ll be really ticked if that’s what happens.
I’ll get over it, but I’ll be ticked.
Phil Hughes has seen both sides of that coin. Looks like he survived.
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Phelps being good 5 seasons from now isn’t good development.
“Phil Hughes has seen both sides of that coin. Looks like he survived.”
yea after a losing nearly two years to injury and ineffectiveness…..not that that was the sole reason….but I don’t know that it helped
Mick,
Yes, it is the question, and honestly I don’t know. It would be rough to do so tomorrow, but I think it would be the best time to avoid any disruption.
mick – actually I don’t. I guess we should always be pepared for surprises.
I’m just gasbagging here. I can seriously wait to see what the real deal is.
Que sera, sera. No matter how any one of us thinks it should be, the Yankees have shown they know what they’re doing. So whether I think something makes sense, doesn’t make sense, should be a certain way, shouldn’t be a certain way, if the Yankees end up with an entirely different product I will know unequivocally that they have it right. They excel even when lohud swears they won’t.
mets announcers are way better than the yankees crew. nobody cares what paul oniell ate for lunch, these guys are into baseball.
and on the radio, sterling cant hold a candle to howie rose.
The Yanks have a 10 game lead….they can afford to let the kid start and see where it goes….
Trisha —
Yeah, Phil survived, but you can’t convince me it had nothing to do with his late fade in 2010 or near disastrous 2011 campaign.
If you want to develop starting pitchers you leave them as starters unless there is an urgent need. The Yankees needed Joba and Phil in the pen, but they do not need Phelps in the pen with a 10 game lead.
Oh well, we’ll see how it plays out in the next 24 hours or so
No matter how good Freddy has pitched, he is here as a utility man and I wouldn’t count out a start by Phelps either tmw or next Tues.
The only problem is that if he were pitching next Tues he would have to be shutdown the rest of the week which further shortens the pen.
For the benefit of Phelps and the team I say he starts tomorrow.
Jerkface – the Yankees manage better than you do. I’ve seen it time and again. So your calling something bad management isn’t necessarily persuasive.
Hi Yankee fans,….well that wasn’t a very good showing for you !
On we go. No sympathy for the bedeviled, you’re supposed to go for the jugular. I will keep you posted on b ball thoughts on what should be an interesting week to come.
im with trisha, i have alot of faith in the yankees front office.
thats a tough stand to take on this blog.
Ys Guy —-
Sterling can’t hold a candle to any above average high school kid.
I listen to games sometimes when I’m on the road (thanx XM) and frankly I have no idea where the ball is or what’s going on. He’s the worst, most self aggrandizing buffoon in the business.
The only thing I am curious about with Sterling is which high up in the organization does he have a compromising photo of?
im with trisha, i have alot of faith in the yankees front office.
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how could we not?
don’t they have more inroads and insight to what’s going on than the average bear at BloHud?
ty clippard has turned into a really really good reliver and now a closer.
too bad we got nothing from albaladejo.
sometimes you’re the winshield and soemtimes you’re the bug….
I question authority at all levels professionally and personally. It’s what I do.
I think the Yankees are an extremely well run organization, but they do make mistakes.
And in my opinion moving Phelps back into the bullpen when there’s no need would be a significant mistake in player development.
i say that and david wright takes clippard deep after valdespin took him deep last night…
“The Yanks have a 10 game lead….they can afford to let the kid start and see where it goes….”.
Which is where I actually started with one of the possibilites. The timing would be right. If Freddy warmed up well, it would make more sense to me, especially since pen failure is what seems to have caused the switch-a-roo.
86 – I’m certainly not suggesting that Phelps be jerked around for multiple seasons. Hey maybe he gets the start. I don’t really care either way. What the Yanks decide is the best way to go, no matter what it is. I trust they know what they’re doing in context of the immediate and not-so-immediate needs.
Hearing that Cashman and Girardi don’t know what they’re doing is so hollow now as to take up more empty space than the inside of the Tin Man.
I hope they do right by Freddy, whatever they do. I believe they will.
not to get into politics but im a 3rd party activist in my real life, so questiioning authority is kinda what i do.
however i trust cashman.
We’re sorta on the same page more or less.
Hopefully they trade Freddie for Bryce Harper overnight and solve the debate!
Calling it a night on-line — take care all
SeeYa
“how could we not?
don’t they have more inroads and insight to what’s going on than the average bear at BloHud?”
That’s my mick. And of course, that’s an unequivocal yes.
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jmills, I’d be lying to say that I didn’t feel bad for your guys. It stinks to have nonstop injuries and to still expect to be able to compete day after day. The hell of it is that you had the makings of a really good team. Hopefully you’ll get your guys back in time to turn things around.
jason bay homers off clippard after he blew it past davis and duda.
one run game with 2 out in the 9th.
Night 86. Sweet dreams knowing that you root for the most potent team in baseball.
clippard hadnt given up a homer all year but last night he got ‘clipped’ by valdespin and then tonight by wright and bay. now valdespin gets another shot.
Well, I guess we all have to wait and see…
Nice chat today. Feels good to be back. Now I’m going for dinner and a well-deserved rest. Good night to all
jays are 2.5 g behind the WC. stop crying and get into the playoffs or just shut up.
Well…I am calling it a day…Have a very good one all…
clippard puts valdespin down and the mets lose their 6th straight.
nats look really good.
Night luis, night jmv.
Ys Guy – jmills never complains about the Jays. They do have a ton of injuries though, probably the most in the majors. I’m saying I feel bad for them.
Trish – I think AA is forward enough to steer things in a sane direction ( he has given no reason to consider otherwise ) – the team is over ten games out of first and that is hopefully his measuring stick, not the fact a bunch of teams are salivating over that ridiculous wild card. I look ahead to a Jays team similiar to the one in ’83 that made everyone stand up and notice. I was the perfect age ( ten ) when the Jays were born and have been on the ride ever since.
Jerkface – the Yankees manage better than you do. I’ve seen it time and again. So your calling something bad management isn’t necessarily persuasive.
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This would make sense if the Yankees themselves had not questioned their own usage of a player (Noesi, Joba, Hughes) in the exact same circumstances, so sorry. They have been poor at managing innings limits. If we go by performance, or even by what they say, they have not done a good job of it.
What the Yanks decide is the best way to go, no matter what it is. I trust they know what they’re doing in context of the immediate and not-so-immediate needs.
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Then why talk about it? Why engage in the discussion?
Gotta really respect those Nats! YOWZA!!!
I guess I’ll watch a little mindless telly. Hopefully we’ll see some updates here soon and have a better handle of exactly what will be happening.
Have a great night all and pinch yourselves to see that you’re not dreaming that those old, over-the-hill, ineptly offensed Yankees are 10 games ahead of the competition and first in the majors.
GO YANKS!!!
“Then why talk about it? Why engage in the discussion?”
To shut down ill-thought-out contrarian comments such as yours. Simple.
To shut down ill-thought-out contrarian comments such as yours. Simple.
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Doing a poor job of it.
“DA YANKEES IS ALWAYS RIGHT!!”
*yankees themselves admit mistake*
“GUESS DEY WERE RIGHT ABOUT BEING WRONG!!”
*golf clap for Trisha*
“Doing a poor job of it.”
Perception is reality. Perceive away.
The Yanks do a lot of things well…..but I don’t like the way they tend to waste prospects in unimportant roles in the big leagues….Noesi just sat out there last year for the most part….pitching few important innings and mostly mop up stuff……
you get journeyman veterans to mop up because their careers aren’t going anywhere and most of the time the innings they pitch don’t really matter anyway.
Now if they bring up Phelps and make him the bridge to Robertson and actually use him in important spots then ok I guess…..but I’d rather him start as he’s a starter and he’s shown he can start in the big leauges.
blake, again, there are a lot of things a team can do with a 10 game lead that they wouldn’t necessarily do up 1.5. I won’t be stunned either way. All of the nuances are what makes this one intriguing.
i didnt mean to knock jmills, but the jays have the playoffs withing reach and have to shake off the idea that they are snakebit, not worry about who is not playing and go win.
they’rea good team and they can win that WC spot.
the nats haven’t had their ‘original’ closer all year and their best hitter has been on the dl since forever and their next best hitter has been on the dl and slumped badly the whole first half.
you cant think about that stuff, you have to go grab that playoff spot and then, who knows…
The Jays lost 3 starters though at one time…..that’s hard for any team to handle….they’ve had some rough luck but that’s part of the game….they weren’t ready to win this year anyway….still a couple of pieces away.
Ys Guy and blake – I actually agree with both of you! There’s something to be said for both perspectives. Of course the sooner the Jays get some of their players back, the better off they’ll be. Maybe the next time jmills is here he can give us some insight on that, especially as it concerns their rotation.
Personally, I think it’d would be absurd to take Phelps on the road trip and make this roster move just for him to be a piece in the pen……..I understand the organization learned a bitter lesson with Hughes, Kennedy & Joba…… They seemed have gone the route of the Baltimore Orioles of the late 60′s in breaking in starters by tossing them in the pen as this is how they broke in Nova & Noesi ….But really it just appears to me that Phelps has demonstrated he can pitch effectively as a starter and when’s the last time The Yanks had the luxury of a double digit lead in July ?????
Alex (Stroudsburg): Where does Ty Hensley fit into the Yankees top 10 prospects?
Jim Callis: Somewhere toward the end of the list, more because of the Yankees’ depth than any concern I have over Hensley’s shoulder. I thought Hensley was one of the best high school arms in the draft, though some teams didn’t love his delivery.
last year’s cardinals have to give faith and hope to alot of teams. they lost their ace, sucked all the way into august then put it together with who they had and won the whole thing.
the jays should be thinking about that, i can tell the nationals are.
its not out of the realm of possibilities that bryce harper’s nats could face mike trout’s angels in the fall classic…
“when’s the last time The Yanks had the luxury of a double digit lead in July ?????”
they haven’t had a 10 game lead on July 18 in over a decade……they had a 7 game lead in 2004….were actually 1.5 games behind Boston on this day last year….and in 2009 they were 2 games behind Boston.
The Nats should be thinking that way….they are in 1st place
…..and they have a really good rotation
The last time the Yankees had a 10 game lead on July 18 was 1998 when they were up 14 games on Boston.
ESPN has a stat called “% chance of making the playoffs” (POFF). I have no idea what it’s hooked into. I can’t figure out a correlation with any of the other stats. Does anyone know what that’s all about?
http://espn.go.com/mlb/standings
“The last time the Yankees had a 10 game lead on July 18 was 1998 ”
The magical 1998.
No idea how the Nats are going to shut down Satrsburg in a middle of a pennant race. Why didn’t they just give him a month break in July?
I still don’t buy they are going to shut Strasburg down into the playoffs….they are crazy if they do….they could skip starts down the stretch and keep him within the range…..you never know what will happen….they might never even make the playoffs again before Stras becomes a FA…..
hey seemed have gone the route of the Baltimore Orioles of the late 60?s in breaking in starters by tossing them in the pen as this is how they broke in Nova & Noesi
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Just one caveat, Pat, Nova was broken in via the ‘bullpen’ for all of like 2 innings. He pitched 40 innings in the majors his first year but 7 of it was starts and only 3 bullpen appearances and he pitched 180 IP total on the year (maybe more I forget if he did winter league that year). They didn’t have him rot in the bullpen pitching low leverage like they did with Noesi, where they then admitted that he wasn’t stretched out enough to be considered a viable starter for this season which is 1 of the reasons they traded him.
ESPN has a stat called “% chance of making the playoffs” (POFF). I have no idea what it’s hooked into. I can’t figure out a correlation with any of the other stats. Does anyone know what that’s all about?
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Based on division lead, winning percentage, and current wins. Sometimes it uses a model where it will simulate 10,000 times the rest of the season and determines how often a team makes the playoffs in that simulation (in which case it would use RUNS and RUNS AGAINST).
The Yankees even if they went .500 would have a lot of wins, so their percent of making the playoffs should be astronomical because it would take an outright collapse that is not really accounted for in statistics (its the .1% in the 99.9%).
Had to take a call from a friend – so just a brief catch up and then goodnight – YS, no offence taken through the wires – I understand your perspective on getting in ,” under the wire, ” and then winning, I’m just not that big on doing it the wild card way, and as I’ve said on this blog before, I’d be happy to see the AL East of the eighties even with its greater denials, because, man was it sweet to be #1 coming out of there ! See you maybe tomorrow ( Sox are next ) Take care.
And they didn’t break Kennedy into the pen either, he had 2 career relief appearances, both which came AFTER he had a ton of starts. Hughes had 28 career starts before his first relief appearance.
Joba was actually broken in ideally – he was slotted into a high leverage role and helped us immensely to start his career in the pen, not thrown away to the mop up man role. A shame that they screwed up after that though.
One of these days I would like someone to give me a biological explanation of “stretching out”.
Jerkface et. a. – try this link:
http://www.coolstandings.com/b.....gs.asp?i=1
Joba was actually broken in ideally
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Not really, because he wasn’t given enough innings before being thrown into the bullpen. If he had pitched 160-180 innings in a season, then gone to the bullpen, it would have made a little more sense. Instead he was limited severely to the point that they had to do all that ridiculous twisting around and innings limits.
If you’re going to break someone in via the bullpen, let them reach enough innings first where you’re comfortable with them going 180-200 innings then you can put them in the pen.
Minors – 180 innings in AAA
Majors – start in the bullpen, make spot starts, get acclimated whatever
Majors + 1 – Hooray you can pitch 180 innings!
Joba was actually broken in ideally – he was slotted into a high leverage role and helped us immensely to start his career in the pen
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Actually I think that was a bad thing looking back because it gave the fan base and media something they should have never seen. As a result Joba had to live up to something he would never be able to duplicate because he would never be used that way again.
Phelps up – Mitchell down. Very interesting….
Can’t wait to see what develops from here.
Garcias value may never be higher. He is not a part of the Yankees future and there is no good place for him after Pettite and Joba come back. It would be nice if he pitches well tomorrow and they trade him for something of value. Not necessarilly a player for this year maybe a mid level prospect and one of those new competive balance draft picks that occur between the 1st and 2nd round
Am I seeing Freddy tomorrow night? Phelps? Both? Something in the works?
I’m not sure how confident I’ll be with Cespedes facing Freddy. Yet I can see Freddy’s easy cheese fooling the free-swinging Cuban. A fascinating chess match awaits. Stay tuned.
Rise and shine.
I find myself in total agreement w those who believe that Phelps should remain stretched out and therefore a starter.
IMO the back-and-forth stuff has not proven itself helpful to the development of most, if not all, young starters.
More consistency would be appreciated and evidence of better long-term planning.
The frequent changing of role from starter to reliever and back again might just be what causes injury as well.
That said I expect the Yankees to continue to do what’s expedient.
That’s their DNA and charter. The pressure of win now forces a lot of issues.
If they want to continue to develop young arms they are gonna have to be patient. There are very, very few Tim Lincecums.
Most guys aren’t prodigies. They have to learn over time following a consistent and well thought out plan designed by the best coaches in baseball.
Make sure you have them at all levels Cashman.
Apologies for the long post. I know it’s early.
MTU
You woke me up, early riser! Good morning. Why did the Yankees bring up Phelps if he’s not replacing Garcia in the starting rotation? I didn’t read thru lst evenings threads. Is he being showcased for a trade?
With Wise and Nix playing well do the Yankees need another bat, a corner outfielder?
Do they need another pitcher? a reliever to replace Qualls?
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The Yankees might have the best record, but you know the Rangers, after two straight years of being runner-up, are going for it all, and have the chips to add a top quality pitcher. The Angels, now with the T&T boys also have the chips to add pitching.
Both those teams would be difficult opponents to face even if they didn’t make any trades.
YT-
Slow down. That’s a lot of questions for one bite of a burrito.
You don’t want me chokin’ do ya’ ?
I think we have to go with ‘Occam’s razor” here and pick the simplest answer.
Perhaps because they needed additional, reliable relief help. I would have preferred they just continue to keep Phelps stretched out even if that meant staying down for a while longer. Innings are a good thing.
How can he be showcased if he doesn’t get to start ? He doesn’t profile as a reliever.
POV on an OF’er has not changed. If GGBG isn’t coming back I’d like to see them add one.
I have little to no concern about the pen.
Joba should help, and if you check you’ll see that Wade is doing well again.
Aardsma may even be a piece at some point.
YT-
What’s your take ?
I don’t believe Phelps has given up a run since he went down, so whatever scouts were there should have interest.
Aardsma-once his rest is over-30 days of rehab-earliest September.
Still would like another bat-an outfielder, but who gets chopped off the roster?
i think victorino makes alot of sense depending on the cost.
Still would like another bat-an outfielder, but who gets chopped off the roster?
What is Qualls doin’ but breathin’ air and taking up space ?
Depending on who the OF’er is Wise is expendable or might accept re-assignment.
I prefer not to trade Phelps unless he’s part of a significant deal.
OK so forget DA for now. Still not concerned about the pen.
We can reach down for others if we really need to.
Y’s-
SV is fine by me as are others.
My Take?
One, if Gardner needs nothing and is told he can play with the pain, and is used only as a defensive replacement in the field and as a pinch runner, which was mentioned, that’s completely foolish. Wise and Nix offer more and the Yankees don’t need a “half a man” on the roster. Too bad Nunez was injured almost immediately upon his demotion and wasn’t groomed to also play the OF.
YT-
Then maybe they DL GGBG ? I agree with your take on that.
At this point I’m not quite sure what Nunez is other than he has speed and seems to be able to hit a little.
He wasn’t hacking it as a SU man.
W GGBG I mean long-term DL, or just shut him down completely.
Victorino is having a bad year, especially from the left side, but he has speed and something like 7 OF assists with no errors.
If the Phillies would take Warren/Mitchell and another lower level “minor” prospect, he’d be a good one to trade for as a rental.
Omar Infante is being scouted by the Tigers and others. He’d be a potential low cost option as a super utility type signed thru next year at 4M.
If Hughes is traded in a major acquisition for a bat, an OF’er, then I believe another quality starter is needed. Liriano might be available without robbing the bank. He would provide another lefty until Pettitte is fully recovered.
YT-
As GB has pointed out Infante is a good ballplayer. A good get potentially.
Lot’s of teams seem to be on him.
The Halos seem to be making Bourjos available. If the price were right he’d be another to consider.
I hate helping out the competition though.
This is the take from NoMaas.org.
Here is what ZiPS projects for the rest of the season:
Andruw Jones: .351 wOBA
Raul Ibanez: .314 wOBA
Shane Victorino: .337 wOBA
While Victorino might be an upgrade over Raul, does it make any sense to give up a decent prospect for marginal improvement on the short side of a platoon? Absolutely not.
Save your chips.
http://nomaas.org/2012/07/trad.....lder-nope/
Do you agree?
YT-
I forgot. Not too interested in Liriano. Guy is inconsistent and very prone to injury.
I know he’s pitching well at the moment.
The price would have to be pretty low to get my attention.
The Angels want a bullpen arm for Bourjos. No bat, doesn’t steal bases, great glove.
YT-
Depends.
If I’m not giving up too much then I don’t because that gives you a chance to audition a potential Swisher replacement at a low cost.
There’s more than one angle to SV in my mind.
YT-
No idea why he wouldn’t steal bags. He’s got speed to burn.
He doesn’t have power but I think he might be able to hit a little if given a chance.
Basically what you’re describing is a GGBG clone anyway.
It’s been a while since GGBG hit above .260
I think Bourjos can do that.
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Bourjos for what major league pitcher on the Yankees, besides Qualls?
YT-
Good for him but who really cares.
We were never in on him w the new budget realities.
There are a number of good Pitchers who might be changing uni’s.
Greinke, Sanchez, Dempster, Garza, Hellickson.
If you’re a team w a healthy farm the pickin’s look good.
YT-
Anyone not named Rafael, David, Boone, or Joba.
If the Halos would accept a guy like Eppley or Rapada ?
No idea if they would.
A few nights ago someone mentioned Warren and David Adams for Shane Victorino. Some thought that was a bit too much for a rental.
I think I’d do that deal and agree look at him more than just a rental, as a replacement more for Gardner than Swisher, because he can’t replace Swisher’s production.
YT-
I think I’d do that one as well especially if the Phillies would chip in some coin.
Even w/o. Warren might turn out well in the end but Adams is just filler at this point. Surplus since he broke his ankle.
That would be a real coup having picked Eppley off the scrap heap, having him become effective, and then turning him into Bourjos.
Man I like that that idea. Don’t think the Halos would though.
These are just rumors and speculation:
Dempster will go anyday now-will the Dodgers outbid the Red Sox?
Greinke getting a rest for fatigue. If the Brewers still have the 100M on the table, he should take it.
Liriano-Angels and others in the mix
Hamels-Rangers want him, and/or believe it or not, Cliff Lee. -have all the peices and $$$$ to get it done.
Hellickson-don’t believe that rumor. Shields yes
Garza-Braves need another starter. If they don’t get Dempster, Garza would be next?
YT-
I thought you said that the Dodgers and Sux were fighting out for Dempster ?
The Braves too !
Give ‘em Freddy for Prado.
Morning guys.
I think the Halos will want more for Boujos than hes worth….especially from the Yanks. Now if they would include Mike Trout Id be willing to include Warren or DJ Mitchell
MTU-
If we just traded Warren and Adams for Victorino we dont need any “stinkin” Bourjos.
The bottom line is I don’t think the Yankees should stand pat, not because of what the competition will do, more because a key player or two is bound to go on the DL, and if it’s another starter, for something like “arm fatigue” then we need a quality arm that can give innings as to not burn out the bullpen, even with Joba possibly back in 2 weeks.
Blake-
For a country boy you sure don’t know squat about “Trout” fishing.
For starters you have to use the right bait.
MTU,
I dont think we.have the right fly for this trout
YT-
When it comes to Pitching I think we are fairly well loaded.
Most teams would die to have our problems.
Blake-
Good morning. Like those one-sided deals.
BTW-Braves working on an extension for Prado to replace Jones at 3rd.
Trumbo and Trout-is there a better young outfield duo in baseball right now?
Blake-
That is for certain.
Now if they’ll take Pineda.
Im still trying to.figure out how to get J. upton…..I hope cashman is doing the same.
YT-
“Trumbo and Trout”.
Sounds like Fish w. Italian pasta.
That’s some good eatin’.
“Trumbo and Trout-is there a better young outfield duo in baseball right now?”
Not at the plate…..now Trumbo defensively??.
Wonder what time the Yanks rolled in to Oakland….
Blake-
You’re like a bulldog. I’ll give ya’ that.
Once you latch onto an idea you rarely let go.
P.S. Me too.
The Halos almost traded Trumbo.
What a boner that would have been.
Of course they dumped Napoli so why should anyone be surprised.
Oh that’s right I almost forgot Napoli can’t catch.
The A’s pitching staff has been very good from top to bottom.They lose/trade their entire starting 5 and now they have one of the best ERA’s in the league?
YT-
Maybe but the A’s are still on the fast train to nowhere.
They can’t even get a new stadium.
Billy Beane is no genius. That guy just loves to wheel and deal.
And they had to steal Bartolo from us to help them out.
Oh that’s right I almost forgot Napoli can’t catch.
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Apparently this year he can’t hit either-low BA and a strikeout machine
YT-
A glitch. If it is one thing the guy can do it’s hit.
So who do they think is better ?
Guys like Mathis or Ianetta.
Too funny.
Maybe Girardi and Scioscia have something in common after all.
“You’re like a bulldog. I’ll give ya’ that.”
Yea i obsess
Good morning all —-
Oakland pitchers are bound to have good numbers pitching in a huge park with more foul territory than any other. It’s interesting to see McCarthy living up to expectations.
They don’t strike many out, which to me reinforces the notion that their stats are stadium enhanced.
Re-visiting form last night I cannot understand why they called up Phelps. He should continue to start in Scranton not rust as the 12th man on the NYY pitching staff.
86-
I’m right with ya’ on Phelps.
So are many others.
Let’s see what they do with him.
OK Brian-
It’s time to ask someone in the Yankee organization, the results of Gardner’s MRI. I’m certain the Orthopedist knows and has an idea of what is needed!
YT-
They dont want to let anyone know how desperate they are.
Me too on Phelps.
Showcasing him further to the scouts who missed his outstanding pitching the last two weeks?
Hike day today.
Got to start getting ready.
An amazing result of the winning and run scoring barrage that the Yankees have had the last few weeks is that they have now have a +80 run differential while Texas is at +81. It wasn’t long ago that Texas’s differential dwarfed all of the baseball, and even if they went on a tear winning games, it would have felt silly to think anyone was going to catch them…
With that I’m out too. Until later everyone. Have a great day. This, I believe is the last west coast trip of the season.
MTU-
Go take a hike!
Blake-
Find that 3rd team to facilitate a trade of JU to the Yankees
86w183-
Sorry to leave so soon after you arrived, but MTU woke me up very early!
“Find that 3rd team to facilitate a trade of JU to the Yankees”
The Padres….they have a good young 3B they are willing to part with.
YT/MTU —-
Learn to sleep in!
SeeYa guys
Blake you’re determined to get Justin aren’t you? I like the thought, but the fit is iffy in terms of Yankees personnel.
Chances improve if the ‘Backs would go out and lost about 7 or 8 straight.
86,
Yea its highly unlikely ….but i like to dream.
We were sure right on Willingham back in November huh? Best FA signing of the year
86-
I’ll sleep when I’m dead.
I was a world champion sleeper once upon a time. Hard to believe.
Now I’m workin’ on my Insomnia Doctorate.
YT-
Do they have a special section of the Gym for you ?
“We were sure right on Willingham back in November huh? Best FA signing of the year”
Beltran
“Re-visiting form last night I cannot understand why they called up Phelps. He should continue to start in Scranton not rust as the 12th man on the NYY pitching staff.”
I think Phelps is either going to take Garcia’s place or he’s going to be used more often in Girardi’s rotation of relievers so he can use him in the critical 6-7 innings.
Just look at all the guys they have to replace GGBG.
Ibanez, Jones, Wise, Dickerson, McDonald (maybe).
Bet they go with a platoon and worry about Swish in the OS.
That is unless something just happens to drop into their lap.
New thread —–>
I beg to differ
Willingham $ 7 M —- .276, 23 HR, 66 RBI, .964 OPS
Beltran $ 13 M — .292, 20 HR, 66 RBI, .902 OPS
Almost identical productivity for less than half the price.
Beltran is a better defender and is doing it for a winning club though….plus I think Beltran will be better than Willingham next year.