Pregame notes: Gardner having surgery
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Jul 19, 2012 
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Brett Gardner’s latest MRI results are in the hands of doctors, but Joe Girardi said those doctors have yet to meet with Gardner, and there is no new diagnosis or rehab plan to announce. But the Yankees are moving forward as if Gardner is lost for the season.
UPDATE: No sooner had a posted this than the Yankees came through with an update: Gardner will have surgery next week to remove inflamed tissue from his right elbow. The surgery will “most likely” end his season.
“That’s kind of what you do,” Girardi said. “Until someone’s back, you really can’t say, we’re counting on this guy. It’s unfortunate because I think we’ve missed some of the things that he brings to our club. He’s had a couple of different setbacks and I think you have to proceed that, if you were to get him, it wouldn’t be until at least September.”
Brian Cashman has been telling anyone who will listen that he’s not deperate to make a move. That sense of urgency might change now that Gardner has suffered another setback, but the Yankees are getting pretty good production out of Raul Ibanez and Andruw Jones — especially lately — and they have guys like Dewayne Wise, Chris Dickerson and Kosukue Fukudome and Darnell McDonald providing some depth. The Yankees still have the best record in baseball, so all things considered, it’s not a terrible situation.
“You look at the numbers that Andruw and Raul have amassed together with the home runs and the RBIs, and you’re able to use Wisey for defense late if you want to,” Girardi said. “They’ve done a good job. We do miss that speed element that Brett brought to the game, but I’ve been pleased with what these guys have done.”
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A few minor moves…
• The Yankees have traded outfielder Dan Brewer to the Braves for cash. I was told today that it was just a move to give a guy a chance to play elsewhere. Brewer’s not a bad player, but he was definitely traped in this system. He got some time in big league camp a few years ago, but he never really cracked the prospect radar.
• My old friend Donnie Collins — whose recent Penn State coverage has been as good as anyone’s in the country — texted me this morning to say Darnell McDonald has cleared waivers and been assigned to Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.
• Also in Triple-A: Veteran starting pitcher Nelson Figueroa has been released. That might have been an opt-out situation. He was replaced on the roster by Double-A call-up Danny Farquhar.
• David Phelps has re-joined the big league club. He replaced D.J. Mitchell who was sent back to Triple-A and pitched five scoreless innings today.
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• Reggie Jackson is back with the Yankees for the first time since his controversial statements were published in Sports Illustrated. “I’m here like you, to watch the games,” Jackson said. “To watch them keep winning.”
• Girardi on Jackson’s return: “I think it’s all behind us. I think that’s the most important thing. I think Reg has made a number of calls to try to rectify everything. I’m OK with it. I’m glad he’s here. Let’s just move on.”
• Joba Chamberlain is scheduled to make another rehab appearance tomorrow. “I think once we get him going back to back I think you’ll have a better idea (of when he’ll be activated),” Girardi said. “You want to see how he responds the second day. Those 30 days are ticking.”
• Girardi said he plans to use Phelps as more than a long reliever. “We’ve seen the last couple of weeks, there were times we would use him,” Girardi said. “Some of our guys down there are mix-and-match. Sometimes they’ve thrown a couple of days in a row where, Cory (Wade) was that guy (who could step in) for the last year for us, that you would go to and I’d say, ‘I need five outs from him. I don’t want to mix and match today because I’ve used these guys too much.’ Here’s a guy that I feel you can do it with.”
• Girardi on why Chris Stewart is starting today: “Him and Freddy have been together and I’ve liked what they’ve done. Long flight yesterday. It was hot, hot day yesterday. Just keep both catchers fresh. They’re both doing a great job.”
• Tonight the Yankees face Oakland starter A.J. Griffin, who they’ve never seen before. “From what I’ve seen he’s got outstanding command, good command of his fastball,” Girardi said. “He’s got a very slow curveball that he uses to put hitters away at times. He’s a guy that’s just going to pitch.”
Associated Press photo
On a train to Yankee Stadium West. Ratio of people in Yankee apparel to A’s apparel is 9 to 1.
It’s official….Middle reliever
Nick,
Are you going to meet with Pat M?
Can Gardner’s surgery be made retroactive to May??????
Jerkface July 19th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
The situations they want to put him in , low leverage long releif, haven’t happened much lately.
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Thats why the Yankees should not be putting starting pitching prospects in that role, because they don’t utilize them. Same thing happened with Noesi.
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This…..
Jose Quintana pitching a one-hitter! White Sox lead 1-0. Always a scary score, especially the deeper you get into the game.
Did you know that the Suxers are hitting .283 with RISP, are first in runs in the majors – and are 10.5 games out of first place? The Yanks are hitting .239 with RISP, are 3rd in runs in the majors – and are in first place? I’d say that the RISP tome is probably overdone.
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luis, I wasn’t targetting you specifically. And yes I know you enjoy games. But I think your “concern” for the future is probably both unnecessary and out of place since you have nothing to do with the decisions that are going to be made, and the Yankees have done okay without any help from their fans – and will continue to.
I understand fans liking to suggest trades and wonder about what will happen, but when it gets to the level of actual worry, I think fans need to step back and remember it’s a game and you root for the team because you love them – win or lose. And again – nobody’s concern or worry about the future is going to make a whit of difference, really. So why not just enjoy the show?
JMO – but I think it’s a good one.
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OMG I hope someone else is watching this Sux game!!!!! White Sox just got out of nobody out, bases-loaded jam!!! YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Will regrettably miss Pat M tonight.
“It’s official….Middle reliever”
If so, I guessed well. But then it didn’t feel like rocket science.
ugh….surgery to remove inflamed tissue? kinda weird.
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The Royals received the first pick in the official drawing. That means Kansas City, as it stands now, will get additional pick in the 2013 First-Year Player Draft at No. 32 overall. The Pirates received the second of six “Round A” picks, with the D-backs getting the third. The Orioles, Reds and Marlins round out Round A. Representatives from many of the contending teams were on hand to watch the drawing and the results were announced on the Network.
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luis July 19th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
rm July 19th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
But Phelps is a little different. He has earned the right to higher leverage situations so it is much more likely they will be able to get him some innings.
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He needs to build up his innings…If he doesn’t get above 150 innings this season, he would have two seasons in a row without doing it, we already know what happened the last time we did this kind of thing ( Hughes )…He had a lost season after the new jumo in innings.
“But Phelps is a little different. He has earned the right to higher leverage situations so it is much more likely they will be able to get him some innings.”
Agree.
It won’t be difficult at all to pry Juan Pierre from Philly
And Aviles just did a super cheap fake drop a popup to try and get a double play. Can’t say Ive ever actually seen anyone try and pull that off.
Nick,
I think he is going to the Coliseum too
He needs to build up his innings…If he doesn’t get above 150 innings this season, he would have two seasons in a row without doing it, we already know what happened the last time we did this kind of thing ( Hughes )…He had a lost season after the new jumo in innings.
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Yanks simply have no clue when it comes to managing young pitching. I blame Noesi’s ineffectiveness in Seattle due to this too.
Phelps will pitch twice a week
Blake,
Is Gardner getting under the knife?
“And Aviles just did a super cheap fake drop a popup to try and get a double play. Can’t say Ive ever actually seen anyone try and pull that off.”
Ump was right on top of it.
Leo (Mexicali)
Justin Upton 2012 = Matt Kemp 2010?
Klaw
(1:05 PM)
The narratives are awfully similar, aren’t they?
luis – look at the title of this thread.
ctyankeefan, really hoping Chicago can have this hold up.
Oh S**t…Thanks Trisha!
luis –
I’ve done the same thing many times.
luis,
UPDATE: No sooner had a posted this than the Yankees came through with an update: Gardner will have surgery next week to remove inflamed tissue from his right elbow. The surgery will “most likely” end his season.
Quintana only at 87 pitches…
blake July 19th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Leo (Mexicali)
Justin Upton 2012 = Matt Kemp 2010?
Klaw
(1:05 PM)
The narratives are awfully similar, aren’t they?
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Wasn’t kemp on his sophomore season? While Upton is in his third or fourth?
Kemp 2010 was like his 5th or 6th season. He came up in 2006.
Blake-
Sounds like Gardner has a case of lateral epicondylitis, simply put tennis elbow that hasn’t responded to conservative treatment and requires now debridement or release of the lateral extensor tendon.
Dr Ahmad was waiting on consultation with Dr. Andrews.
All you would want to know or not know, about treatment for tennis elbow:
http://www.orthogate.org/patie.....elbow.html
I hope Ventura has somebody up.
Joe if you are still here, I have a question – shouldn’t the medical staff picked up on this a lot sooner? Why didn’t they try cortisone? I can see giving the inflammation time settle down but if rest and medication didn’t work the first time, why wait?
This Gardner development certainly changes things…They will be trading for a bat…Upton, Victorino or Spahn
Wow. One more.
Thanks JF…So they are fairly similar
Joe (Chicago)
Do you think the Sox are regretting giving Youkilis away?
Klaw
(2:10 PM)
Probably. I think they overreacted to Middlebrooks’ hot start.
Quintana got out of a bases loaded one out jam when the SS made a great play on a shot to SS from Middlebrooks and turned a DP bottom of the 7th.
This Gardner development certainly changes things…They will be trading for a bat…Upton, Victorino or Spahn.
It will be an interesting watch. I would think they’d be more concerned about fielding, but they have that down in AAA with McDonald, plus they have it with Wise. With Wise they also have a bat. And then of course they have Jones and Ibanez. It’s a little crowded in that outfield. But if they don’t trust they have enough to see them through the post, they might be pulling in a vet.
A question I made in the last thread…This Quintana kid looks very good…Was he on the Yankees minors at some point?
Rios is such a good fielder.
White Sox living dangerously, but it’s worked so far.
One run is always so iffy…
Why would anyne want to pry Juan Pierre away from anyone else…? Wise is their fourth outfielder. Jones/Ibanez play left field. It is working well. Why think about someone no one wants. The Ynaks are clearly the best team in baseball. Not 1927, 1939, 1961 or 1998, but the best in todays field. Stop worrying about your unborn grandchildren. Deal with today. Far too many neurotic postings on this blog. Don’t worry about the money, it is not yours. If the team doesn’t win for lack of trying, a different equation is set up.
And Trisha, why does Gardner being out change things? He is always out. Our current Nick Johnson.
Trish,
I don’t think you can keep fielding Ibanez/Jones out there…They are not kids…They need some speed as well…Wise has been very good, but far from a regular player..Who knows?
Don’t know about Quintana and the Yanks, but gee he does look so good. And he seems to have nerves of steel.
Heartbreak to lose a 1-0 game. But I’ll be happy if it happens to the Suxers.
And you see that these pitching moves are never easy or managers.
Comet-
Read my above post@9:25. Looks like everything was tried including cortisone, rest, platelet rich plasma.
THANK YOU BASEBALL GODS!!!
Barry,
It wasn’t Trisha that raised the concern, it was me
Trader,
sounds about right.
2010 was Kemp’s 5th season. 3rd full season. He was 25 that year.
2012 is Upton’s 6th season. 5th full season but he’s only 24 this year…..
it is kinda similar though as there were rumors that the Dodgers ownership was mad at Kemp and that they might trade him etc that year…..similar talents.
Pitching moves are good when they work and bad when they don’t
Quintana blows the game = why didn’t you bring in a reliever when he was getting in trouble after already got 7 innings from him?
Relievers replaces Quintana and blows the game = why did you remove Quintana after 7 shutout innings and a low pitch count to bring in some volatile reliever?
luis – if they went for it I would certainly understand it, especially with the news about Gardner.
See, these are the nuances I was talking about. Did they know about Gardner’s surgery and move Phelps up as a preemptory move, with the thought of possibly trading Freddy for an OF and having Phelps in place to move into the rotation, at which point they could just bring Mitchell back up?
There are just so many unknowns at this point – unknowns to us that is.
Luis-
Looks like the Yankees might have to plan for two outfielders in the offseason, with Gardner coming back as the possible fourth OF’er.
The White Sox closer has a 4 ERA and is scheduled to face their 2-3-4 hitters. If he comes into the game, he WILL blow it. Let Quintana finish it off
“Pitching moves are good when they work and bad when they don’t
Quintana blows the game = why didn’t you bring in a reliever when he was getting in trouble after already got 7 innings from him?
Relievers replaces Quintana and blows the game = why did you remove Quintana after 7 shutout innings and a low pitch count to bring in some volatile reliever?”
Post of the season. That is the alpha and the omega of managerial moves.
Yes Luis, the rookie lefty for the whites sox was in the Yanks system last season. I believe another team had him before that. Too bad cause he looks like a keeper.
“The White Sox closer has a 4 ERA and is scheduled to face their 2-3-4 hitters. If he comes into the game, he WILL blow it. Let Quintana finish it off”
He looked really good the last game he pitched. He saved the game for them.
Cashman will look around for an outfielder. Not Upton, don’t think Cashman wants to give up young players. Someone like Victorino, Pierre. Ibanez and Jones were meant to be part time players, they may wilt as the season goes on.
Quintana already over 100 pitches.
Phelps up as a preemptory move, with the thought of possibly trading Freddy for an OF and having Phelps in place to move into the rotation
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They would not need Phelps on the team to move him into the rotation with a freddy trade. Its an unnecessary pre-emptory move that takes Phelps off his starting rotation and throws him off his game. If he comes into a game as the LR a few days before a start he won’t be able to go.
Thanks Mike.
Trader,
Yup…He is becoming too injury prone
Jose Quintana:
April 26, 2006: Signed by the New York Mets as an amateur free agent.
July 31, 2007: Released by the New York Mets.
March 10, 2008: Signed as a Free Agent with the New York Yankees.
November 6, 2010: Granted Free Agency.
December 15, 2010: Signed as a Free Agent with the New York Yankees.
November 2, 2011: Granted Free Agency.Cahman didn’t put him on 40 man roster.
November 9, 2011: Signed as a Free Agent with the White Sox
Robertson/Epply/Logan are the high leverage guys. Rapada is the 2nd lefty and full inning guy with a decent-big lead. Soriano is the closer.
So basically, Phelps will be pitching games like yesterday with a 6-0 lead to preserve the A guys in the pen. Seems like a waste for such a promising arm.
See, these are the nuances I was talking about. Did they know about Gardner’s surgery and move Phelps up as a preemptory move, with the thought of possibly trading Freddy for an OF and having Phelps in place to move into the rotation, at which point they could just bring Mitchell back up?
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If this was the case, as I said earlier…What was the point of bringing him up?…They should have kept him stretched out, that’s why he was starting the same days Freddy was starting as well.
Maybe they would WANT Phelps on the team to move him into the rotation.
What you think the Yankees need and what they think they need always seems to be at loggerheads.
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Sux got lucky. Grr.
Quintana is only averaging 89 MPH this year. I can see why they would let him go, seemed like a Jemery Bleich type at first glance who mixes in his pitches well, doesn’t really miss bats or have a life fastball. It’s not like the guy was a Franklin Morales type arm who you could project big things for
Trader,
This Quintana kid looks very good…The one that got away?
“If this was the case, as I said earlier…What was the point of bringing him up?…They should have kept him stretched out, that’s why he was starting the same days Freddy was starting as well.”
I’m not saying it was the case, I’m saying there are many facets to what is happening in the Yankee camp right now. That is just one possibility of many.
I like the intrigue.
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Drat. Hope the White Sox can hold them.
Crawford, Pedroia, Gonzalez. Let’s go WS.
The Yanks are hitting .239 with RISP, are 3rd in runs in the majors – and are in first place? I’d say that the RISP tome is probably overdone.
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I thought we were always in scoring position.
well, it could be worse. he could be on a 7/142 contract
“I thought we were always in scoring position.”
Well we are. But you know what I mean.
Feel bad for Crawford. I think he wants out of beantown.
For all we know, Phelps could go 2-3 innings tonight and be sent back down for his next start .
I mean, shutting out the Sux at Fenway is no easy feat
But I don’t feel bad enough to have him hit!
trisha – true pinstriped blue says:
July 19, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Agree 100%.
Oh goody. Hopefully they bring their closer in now.
Luis
I think Don Cooper got him turned around. He throws strikes and at one point before he faced the Yankees had something like 96 batters faced in a row without issuing a walk. Don’t quote me on that.
Maybe they would WANT Phelps on the team to move him into the rotation.
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But why? Its way more complicated and has a much greater chance of back firing into un-usefulness? Pre-emptively adding Phelps to the rotation would make more sense than just adding him to the team to pitch mop up innings.
Nothing would make me happier than to see that little snot-nosed “Pedey” make an out.
Now I see why they stayed with Thornton. Elfkin 0-4, Gonzalez 0-7.
Can we loan the WS Untuck to get the last two outs?
Ugh.
I don’t like Cody Ross. So it doesn’t really matter who pitches to him. Just get him out.
They would be better off putting phelps back into the rotation,garcia in the pen where he excelled,and phelps can get that valuable time in the rotation that every pitcher needs to learn how to pitch.
Ron,
QFT…
Reed got it done the other night. Fingers crossed.
Hey 15 out of 17 isn’t bad!
Yankee Trader July 19th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Luis
I think Don Cooper got him turned around. He throws strikes and at one point before he faced the Yankees had something like 96 batters faced in a row without issuing a walk. Don’t quote me on that.
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Whatever they did, he is a keeper..Cooper certainly did a great job on this kid
Nick, please bring home a winner and enjoy. You are lucky. Would love to be at a Yankees game tonight.
That was not a freakin ball!!!
Damn!!!
Sox are ready go to on a major roll now – won 5 of 7 since the break and are finally healthy
I am sick to my stomach.
This was the manager’s fault
Loser Matt Thornton. I guess Tody Ross is on some kind of steroid.
We’ll that certainly pissed me off-walk off Ross!
Onto better things for the Yankees tonight. See you on the other side.
The way this piece of crap Toady Ross flips the bat makes me sick.
Last pitcher to win a 1-0 game in Fenway was Joba Chamberlain vs. Josh Beckett in 2008
“This was the manager’s fault
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Gee, as of right now they’re only 10 games out of first.
HA HA HA HA HA!!!!
Well the good news is that Josh “Did someone say I knew how to pitch” the hayseed is on the mound tomorrow night. They’ll jump right back in the toilet.
I’ve already accepted that BOS will be in the playoffs, I just hope they lose their 1 game playoff to the Angels. But knowing how the Angels play against Boston, I wouldn’t hold my breath
It is sickening that the Rays couldn’t take advantage of Boston’s slow start
“I’ve already accepted that BOS will be in the playoffs, I just hope they lose their 1 game playoff to the Angels. But knowing how the Angels play against Boston, I wouldn’t hold my breath”
They won’t sniff the playoffs. And you may remember the last playoffs the Angels had against the Sux?
Not to worry.
Luis,
I am sorry about that. Point stands though.