Yankees trying avoid four-game sweep in Oakland
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 22, 2012 
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The Athletics dismantled much of their team this offseason, yet they’ve remained in the playoff hunt because of a few surprises and a few impressive additions. As the Yankees try to avoid a four-game series sweep this afternoon, two things have stood out this weekend.
This team can really pitch
We’re past the All-Star break, so it’s hard to call this a fluke at this point. The A’s have the lowest ERA in the American League, and they have it despite four rookies in their starting rotation. The Yankees have seen A.J. Griffin, Tommy Milone and Jarrod Parker the past three nights, and all three shutdown this offense.
“I would say they’ve been throwing strikes,” Robinson Cano said. “Especially the guy from (Friday) night, (Milone). They’re throwing their pitches whenever they want. They’re throwing a lot of strikes. Like I say, you have to give them credit.”
In today’s finale, the Yankees won’t be facing a rookie. They’ll be facing Bartolo Colon, who has a 3.88 ERA while continuing some of the things he did so well last season. The Yankees haven’t had any success against the young A’s starters. Maybe they’ll have some success against the familiar veteran.
“Bart’s another one of those guys, he’s not going to walk people,” Joe Girardi said. “He’s coming right at you. Here it is, I’m going to throw it, I’m going to locate it down and away and inside with movement. If you do something with it, do something with it.”
Yoenis Cespedes can really hit
He burst onto the scene this winter with a YouTube video and a ton of prospect hype. International free agents rarely become household names before they reach the big leagues, but Cespedes became an exception to the rule. The Athletics decided to take the risk with a big contract for a largely unknown player, and it’s paying off.
“You just hope nobody’s on base when you have to go through his at-bat,” Phil Hughes said. “Fortunately there wasn’t any guys on when he hit the first one (last night). From there, we just tried to go in to him. He’s patient for a guy that swings so hard. You normally expand the zone a little bit, but he hasn’t been. He’s impressive.”
During a current nine-game hitting streak, Cespedes has hit .576 with four home runs and 10 RBI.
“He’s strong. He hits the ball hard, squares it up on a consistent basis,” Girardi said. “We’re running into a hot hitter right now.”
Associated Press photo
I didn’t catch yesterday’s game, but I said earlier I expected Hughes to pitch a good game. Pitchers don’t give up too many homers in the Coliseum. Of course I didn’t against for Cespedes brute strength.
That guy has really come on. I guess he adapted to the league, earlier he was striking out quite a bit.
“Yoenis Cespedes can really hit”
yea….that 4/36 contract would look pretty nice on the books right now….
Also when Beane signed Cespedes, that added some legitimacy to the guy. It was definitely outside the As recent game plan so you knew something was up.
“So, you’re warming to Victorino if the price is right.”
i’ve always thought that was an option…..I mentioned him months ago…..so yea I like him at the right price but I’m not wild about the fact that he can’t hit RHP….but he does everything else pretty well and he has playoff experience
Let’s hope Brandon Inge won’t be playing today.
How do the Yankees prepare for starting pitchers they never faced?
Villa-
Good morning. You can stick to your story that the 3 losses were due to “jet lag,” but my story that I’m sticking to, is that this team relies on the Earl Weaver approach-the 3 run homer, and cannot manufacture a run in a close game.
Chad mentioned the other day that the Yankees had the most come from behind wins.
Is that because they might be one of the leaders in allowing 1st inning runs? How many walk-off wins do they have?
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I think the offense is just in a little funk….they are better than this ….however they still need to add an outfielder and needed to even before Swisher got hurt.
NCAA source: “Unprecedented” penalties against Penn State
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NCAA President Mark Emmert will make the announcement Monday morning at 9 a.m. at the organization’s headquarters in Indianapolis.
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Austin Jackson stats for 2012: .317/10 HR/44RBI/27SB’s…..that is Bernie Williams like stats…..I like Curtis Granderson but he is exactly what we have too much of….low average, high HR, high strikeout guys…..these last 3 games vs. the A’s are playoff type games where runs are hard to come by……Austin Jackson would be perfect for our team, but Cashman went for the HR guy in the trade……I would trade Granderson in the offseason and sign Melky Cabrera to pair up with Cano as a 3-4 hitter combo….
Blake-
Is that OF’er going to be Ankiel? Why do you think now that Towers might wait till the offseason to trade Upton?
Thoughts on the series:
1. Great back to back performances by the two kids we’re all trying to run out of town
2. I hate watching Cespedes play
3. Tough part about losing tight games is that they’re always right within your grasp
4. I hope Swish recovers quickly.. that looked bad
5. West Coast trips are good when they fall on the weekend though..
6. They’re more satisfying when you’re up at 1am and they actually win
Yankee Trader -
Walk-offs are fun, but as long as they win, I don’t much care how they do it, generally speaking.
I do think that even if the come-from-behind means they’d been giving up runs early, it still speaks well of the team on two counts – that even though they were behind, the run total was kept to a point where they were still “in the game” meaning the pitching then held steady; second, the offense did overcome the deficits. As I said if they overcome those deficits in a “walk-off” fashion, it’s certainly fun and exciting, but the important thing is overcoming the deficits, period.
I hate West Coast trips.
I was hoping for 4-3 for the trip, and that’s still doable, technically, but not looking so good.
Lot of season left. Too much to get either too up or too down.
Yankee Trader -
You posed the question about preparation yesterday.
I recall seeing quotes and hearing players in interviews (Yankees players, that is) say that before facing a new pitcher, they do look at a lot of video and they do read the scouting reports. But they’ve all said that nothing is a substitute for facing the guy.
They did face Milone earlier in the season, and Milone had some success, limiting them to 2 runs. They won that game because Oakland didn’t score at all. Milone is definitely a very good pitcher. The other guys, I think we’ll have to keep an eye on them. They certainly pitched well this time. And David Cone was certainly impressed by their mound presence. I get annoyed when Cone is glowing and crowing about the other teams’ pitchers (but he just loves pitchers, doesn’t he???), but that’s my Yankee bias showing.
“Is that OF’er going to be Ankiel? Why do you think now that Towers might wait till the offseason to trade Upton?”
hope not since he’s really not much better than what they have…..and I’ve just seen it reported….he’s not trading him unless he feels like he’s getting the appropriate value and if he really wants big league talent in return then teams may not be as willing to give it now as they would in the winter…..I do think there is still a chance he gets moved before the deadline though if a team steps up and offers what he’s looking for……
Villa-
The Yankees should make the playoffs if they are healthy. My biggest question is can they manufacture runs in a close game when needed. They are playing in a pitcher’s park, and headed to another one, playing against the two worst offenses in the AL.
Do you feel the Yankees need a bat? A bat that can also steal bases?
Anyone upset about the removal of Paterno’s statue seriously needs to reevaluate their life principles. I’m not sure there’s a moral structure outside a “supreme being” Nietzsche argument that justifies Paterno’s overall stay at Penn State, and I don’t even think that does it.
I recall seeing quotes and hearing players in interviews (Yankees players, that is) say that before facing a new pitcher, they do look at a lot of video and they do read the scouting reports.
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Villa-
Thanks for the feedback
Yankee Trader -
Sure they could use a bat. Not so concerned about stealing bases – do not like the station to station baseball I see though. Not enough first to third, not enough hit and run, not enough second to home. So, if the bat has some good base running skills, that would be good.
I am not the type that gets too involved in talking about the who, though, because I don’t know enough about players not on the Yankees. I am also gun-shy and worry the Yankees will trade too much for too little return. They don’t usually make big in-season moves, so I don’t know what they will do.
But surely, Jones cannot play every day, so you hope Swisher comes back (soon but not too soon).
(Ibanez, too, but he looks a lot healthier and athletic and 40 than Jones has looked at 35.)
Wise is a good 4th outfielder, and he’s really had some nice at-bats for them, but he isn’t someone they got for his bat, so that was gravy and you can’t depend on it.
Not every player translates to the Yankees for some reason, so I worry about who they bring in.
And I also worry about team chemistry.
Joba coming back should be a huge help and reduce some of the mix-and-match, because Joe can go back to the 7, 8, 9 formula (Joba, DRob, Soriano), which gives him one extra relief inning and relieves some of the load Logan has been carrying (fairly well, I’d say), as well as Rapada and Eppley.
I do like Victorino from what I’ve seen; I like that he and Ibanez have played together – that’s would be a plus comfort-level-wise, I think.
But I don’t want the Yankees to have to give up too too much. That’s the thing for me, and I don’t know what too much is, honestly.
“Cafardo cautions not to dismiss possible interest by the Yankees in Royals outfielder Alex Gordon, with Brett Gardner having surgery.”
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com
Cafardo is sorta a speculation monster….but interesting.
Villa-
Fair enough.
Have to go. Austinmac wants Victorino today and I need to make some calls……………….oh not about Victorino, just calls to family!!
Have a great day and Yankees win one, for a change!
Gordon is on a 4/37.5 contract….around a 9 million dollar AAV.
Gordon is right in his prime years and is a great defender who is hitting .292 .376 .432 .808 this year but hitting .310 /.400 /.473 /.873 vs RHP and has been killing the ball since a rough April and may hitting .349 in June and .356 so far in July.
Seems like a good fit for the Yanks needs and the Royals could immediately call up Myers to replace him if he were dealt…..however I haven’t read anything that suggests he’s available and the other question of course is what they’d want for him…..
To lose 3 games by 1 run shows the lack of base to base run manufacturing this team has. So how are they going to win games in the playoffs when you face the best pitchers? This team needs a contact hitter who hits .300 and has some speed. Gardner isn’t that type player as he was at .259 avg last year.
Shame Spencer July 22nd, 2012 at 9:35 am
Thoughts on the series:
2. I hate watching Cespedes play
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Really? I like watching Cespedes play. I just wish he was on our side…
WAR likes Gordon as well who has already racked up 3.4 WAR this season.
blake July 22nd, 2012 at 10:14 am
Gordon is on a 4/37.5 contract….around a 9 million dollar AAV.
Gordon is right in his prime years and is a great defender who is hitting .292 .376 .432 .808 this year but hitting .310 /.400 /.473 /.873 vs RHP and has been killing the ball since a rough April and may hitting .349 in June and .356 so far in July.
Seems like a good fit for the Yanks needs and the Royals could immediately call up Myers to replace him if he were dealt…..however I haven’t read anything that suggests he’s available and the other question of course is what they’d want for him…..
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Phelps and Mitchell? Phelps and relievers? Betances? You gotta think we’d deal pitching in that one. Monty?
Morning Blake-
Gordon can also play 3rd base if necessary.
Don’t the Royals need SP ?
Would you trade Phelps + for Gordon ?
jacksquat July 22nd, 2012 at 10:17 am
Shame Spencer July 22nd, 2012 at 9:35 am
Thoughts on the series:
2. I hate watching Cespedes play
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Really? I like watching Cespedes play. I just wish he was on our side…
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He put a hell of a swing on that HR yesterday. THAT’S what it looks like when a guy is swinging for the fences.
“Would you trade Phelps + for Gordon ?”
yes without even thinking about it….they’d probably ask for Hughes or Nova though
blake July 22nd, 2012 at 10:23 am
“Would you trade Phelps + for Gordon ?”
yes without even thinking about it….they’d probably ask for Hughes or Nova though
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They would have every right to, put there’s no way we move those guys unless it’s for a superstar.
Blake-
KC might not want the higher payroll type Pitcher.
I’d consider Hughes but Nova is out.
MTU,
the Royals have been saying they want to sign a pitcher this winter…..
Upton has more upside…..but Gordon is arguably a better player than him right now.
Blake-
Gordon fills more needs but you are right to say that JU has the greater upside.
Gordon looks pretty good these days.
He won a GG in the OF last year.
What are the chances Upton gets moved at the deadline?
Towers is just talkin’ like a horse trader should. Expectations of a repeat Div Winner were High, the Home crowd is booing Upton, Upton don’t like it, his production reflects this, AND the owner has told Towers to get rid of Upton. If you Think you can wait till the offseason to get Upton, your gonna be left at the alter. HE GONE
“What are the chances Upton gets moved at the deadline?”
50/50 Id say
So in trade suggestions, it seems like many here would rather trade Hughes than Nova. Is that a cost thing or just an upside thing?
I honestly think Hughes has the higher upside of a 1-2 type pitcher, and Nova as more a 2-3 guy. Nova has been strong from the get go, pretty reliable. Hughes has taken a huge leap forward this season, and I really think it reflects the pitcher he can be. They’re both great and I’d like to keep both of them, but what’s your take?
I believe J. Upton will be moved prior to the deadline, too much chatter, too much smoke, got to believe strained relationship between Upton and Mgt.. He will go, really doubt to the Yankees unless Yankees are willing to overpay.
Gordon would be a good fit for NY, especially if he can also play RF.
However he is under reasonable contract so KC will be looking to fleece someone.
KC needs pitching.
Hughes is a solid #3,4 starter for NY but lets face it with 189M apparently being the objective and not #28, my sense is NY will not have the $ (by choice) to fit him in.
I would offer Hughes and Betances and see if KC bites.
kev-
Since you asked.
I’d say that Nova has the better arsenal and is cost-controlled.
Hughes needs an effective 3rd pitch to take it to the next level IMO.
Right now his 3rd pitch is kind of a token offering.
They are both good and I would love to keep them both but if I had a gun to my head Hughes is the one I’d trade.
JMHO.
RadioKev
Until Hughes develops a 3rd pitch, he is at best to me a #3 starter in the AL East. In the NL West he would front the SD staff.
“So in trade suggestions, it seems like many here would rather trade Hughes than Nova. Is that a cost thing or just an upside thing? ”
cost….he’s going to be a FA after next year and Nova is under control for like 4 more years after this year.
I think Hughes has 3 useful pitches now….his CU was pretty darn good yesterday. What he needs to do is tighten his breaking balk further and command it better……hes looking pretty good to me these days…..dont think hes ever going to be a #1….but he easily could settle in to a work horse Matt Garza type pitcher and thats valuable.
The Royals are one team the Yanks match up well with to trade as KC needs pitching and has young offense to spare. They could trade Gordon and bring Myers up to replace him pretty easily………but again who knkws if theyd really trade Gordon….they just extended him and they may see him as a core player.
Blake-
I still don’t think that Hughes has the confidence to throw his 3rd offering in any count.
Until he does it’s not much more than a token pitch IMO.
It is also not totally consistent in quality.
I agree that the CB needs some sharpening as well.
He’s made a lot of progress this year but to reach his full potential what I mentioned needs to happen.
I’m not sure that happens w the Yankees.
I have NOT read anywhere that Gordon is being floated by KC. They just extended the guy a few months ago. This is more LoHud Malarkey.
That HP Ump last night had a pretty big K zone, and therefore the Yankee hitters were being forced to swing at balls outta the strike zone. Yankees certainly hit the dingers, but they also take their Walks. The combination of a Huge Yard, (fewer HR’s), the loss of Walks, and No Swish, Killed the Yankee offense last night.
If there is any greater fan of Hughes than me I don’t know him/her. That said, he has 1.5 years of team control and he will be gone as a FA likely to S.C.
Until he develops a 3rd pitch and is consistent with it, I do not see more than a #3 starter. Good FB hitting teams will just forget his CB and CU and adjust to them if needed. He rarely gets swings and misses on these. All too often the best approach is to sit dead red in a certain spot and hope his command is off. And in the process just spoil Hughes’ secondary pitches.
“So in trade suggestions, it seems like many here would rather trade Hughes than Nova. Is that a cost thing or just an upside thing? ”
I think their similar in ability/results, but one is under control for 4 more years, while the other is a FA after next season and he might be caught in the numbers game, especially if he wants market value.
Inna game of Any importance, Girardi does Not let Hughes start the 8th. Also, Soriano sees action Friday night.
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And on days when his FB deserts him he is pretty helpless.
He doesn’t have the arsenal yet to be able to Pitch backwards which is sometimes needed when you don’t have your bread and butter working.
That’s something Nova can do.
“And on days when his FB deserts him he is pretty helpless.
He doesn’t have the arsenal yet to be able to Pitch backwards which is sometimes needed when you don’t have your bread and butter working.
That’s something Nova can do.”
Agree. I like him, he’ll be a solid pitcher, but don’t see him as a top of the rotation guy. As for resigning him, it depends what he wants. I wouldn’t break the bank for him, if he comes back at a discount, fine.
A lot of pitchers dont learn to be successful without their best stuff until later in their careers……we have to remember that Hughes is still only 25 years old….hes been around forever but this is really only his second full and healthy season as a starter. I like where hes trending personally …..I think the training wheels are finally off and hes starting to become a pretty good pitcher who still could get better…….i just wish that so many of his cheap years werent wasted
You guys can talk, “he’s got this”, “he aint got that”, but just look at the scoreboard. Also, a big part of The Game nowadays, is economics. The Yankees can Not let Nova go, reach $189 Mill, and remain competitive. STOP over complicating things.
Blake-
Due to unfortunate circumstances Phil’s development was retarded.
Some of it is his own responsibility.
Because of that he is probably not quite where he might have been repetoirewise.
He has definitely improved this season but still tends to rely on his FB a bit too much IMO.
Sometimes he just doesn’t have the good one and his 2ndary stuff does not carry him the way Nova’s can.
I’m just not sure he is gonna have the time w. the Yankees to reach his full cieling.
Don’t get me wrong. I hope he does.
And the other thing that would really benefit Phil is a way to get more groundballs, i.e. a sinker or split.
cano is a great hitter & fielder but he’s one of the laziest players around. just sick of seeing him stroll to 1st base. I wish jeter would kick his ass all the way to 1st base maybe he could give him a hustle injection, what a dog. his hit streak should have ended the other night when they gave him a double on the ball that hit the left fielder in the glove.
I sure hope the Yankees can salvage at least 1 game from this series.
The Yankee pitching has been really good just that Oakland’s has been a tad better.
Illustrates the value of really good Pitching.
It shut down a really good lineup.
Three things Hughes offers; FB with late life, excellent command and I believe, determination. This last trait will serve him well in developing a greater repertoire as he grows.
The problem for NY is this will likely happen for some other team unless NY determines that Hughes will be part of the core going forward, and tie him up for the long haul.
By the way if Hughes were on another team pitching against NY, my sense is he would handle Arod very well and he would have problems with Tex.
Even from the LH side, Tex can turn around anyone’s FB.
Arod is a guess hitter these days because he knows he cannot hit the good FB with late life. He has to anticipate and get in front. He would look real bad against Hughes.
Padres are close to signing Quentin.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com
I’m sure Cashman has checked in on numerous OF possiblities.
Right now I’d guess that the prices are exhorbitant.
If the prices come within a reasonable range it would not surprise me to see the Yankees make a move.
If not, I hope they do not overpay. I don’t believe they will.
DONNYBROOK July 22nd, 2012 at 11:03 am
You guys can talk, “he’s got this”, “he aint got that”, but just look at the scoreboard. Also, a big part of The Game nowadays, is economics. The Yankees can Not let Nova go, reach $189 Mill, and remain competitive. STOP over complicating things.
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YES ! If that was the case tho there would be nothin to continually b*tch about here ! ! LMAO ! LMAO !
KC would want Nova but I think they would listen on Gordon. Butler’s the face of their franchise and they need pitching badly. I don’t think they’d settle for 1.5 years of Phil Hughes though. Not only is Gordon the cheaper, more productive player, he has just as much upside as Upton. He was drafted 2nd overall and can play 3b which is a position of need for the Yankees.
I would move Nova for Gordon, straight up. If KC blinks, the offer is withdrawn.
” Not only is Gordon the cheaper, more productive player, he has just as much upside as Upton. ”
nah he doesn’t….Gordon is almost 29 years old and he never had the upside Upton did anyway. Upton is one of the most talented players ever drafted…..but Gordon is probably a better player at the moment and is on a better contract
Gun to my head, I would move Nova for him straight up as well. It would kill me to do it. But I’d bank on David Phelps really stepping up and giving me similar production to Nova at the same low cost. I believe Pettitte can throw game 2 behind CC, then Kuroda, then Hughes. With Nova gone, the rotation would grow more expensive next year which would require Banuelos, Betances and Romine to fill slots cheaply on the roster. But you could sign Melky, trade Granderson and move Gardner to CF until Mason Williams is ready. Still, as Donnybrook said it would be tough to get to 189 without Nova. Pineda would have to recover as well.
I would do Hughes for Gordon because of Hughes’s proximity to free agency…..I’d really have to think on it for Nova…..probably would do it when it came right down to it….I’d hate it but think it would be the best for the organization and better address their needs going forward…..
2014
CC
Pettitte
Pineda
Banuelos
Phelps
Risky, but possible.
You KNOW Upton is currently available, Gordon is NOT. You KNOW Upton is gonna end up somewhere by July 31. Strike while you got the opportunity or you KNOW you will be crying Now, in Oct, And in 2014.
When talking Upton contract vs Gordon contract, talk AAV. THAT, is what matters till 2014.
“You KNOW Upton is currently available, Gordon is NOT.”
we are just speculating here…..the Yanks don’t really match up with Arizona and Upton will probably cost more than Gordon.
Bret,
if they did trade Nova then Hughes will be in the rotation next year I’d imagine…..
“When talking Upton contract vs Gordon contract, talk AAV. THAT, is what matters till 2014.”
I know…..Gordon’s is 9 million….Upton closer to 12
We don’t “know” if Gordon is truly unavailable.
If AZ would trade Upton for Nova, Austin, Betances and Nunez would you strike a deal?
If given the choice would you rather make that trade or Nova for Gordon straight up?
Why not give Phelps the Tuesday start, if nothing else other than a showcase.
If they are thinking of trading Nova or Hughes, it would also be nice to see a start or 2 from Phelps.
Right now, I would give Betances not Phelps.
blake July 22nd, 2012 at 11:49 am
Bret,
if they did trade Nova then Hughes will be in the rotation next year I’d imagine…..
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Yes I know but I was showing 2014, not 2013.
2013 without Nova works if Pettitte comes back and Pineda heals properly.
CC
Pettitte
Pineda
Hughes
Phelps
Banuelos
Betances
Banuelos would be the most desired in a trade , don’t know enough about him to say one way or another.
blake July 22nd, 2012 at 11:50 am
“When talking Upton contract vs Gordon contract, talk AAV. THAT, is what matters till 2014.”
I know…..Gordon’s is 9 million….Upton closer to 12
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Plus Upton’s no-trade could force the Yankees to pay him closer to 15 AAV. Big difference in flexibility between 9 and 15.
Yanks are not going for Upton, bucks are too big.
He is also a gamble, why is he having such a bad season?
MICKSTER………..What’s up with you dating Trisha dude ?
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....bled=false
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From thinking he can come back this year to maybe not playing next year…
Upton’s AAV is more like $ 8.5 M…. you factor the entire deal, 6 years, $ 51.25.
I would include Nova or Hughes in an Upton package… not convinced about Nova/Gordon.
Two rotation spots will have to be dirt cheap in 2-14 to hit $ 189 and still have a championship caliber lineup. Nova, Phelps. Banuelos and Pineda are the best candidates for two of those jobs with Warren a darkhorse.
Yanks were due to a slump…and they’ll have more than one before the end of the regular season…but surprised it has come in Oakland. When you see a seven-game West Coast trip without having to visit Anaheim you think 5-2 or 4-3 at worst. Can’t see the latter happening now. Don’t know whether complacency has played a part but our offense really has no Plan B without Gardner. Thank God I was down the Jersey shore…it must have been hard to watch.
Doom and Gloom in the Land of The Yankees?
- BLAKE -
Upton has a 6ry $51+Mill deal. How does that work out to a AAV of 12 Mill???
Reports are that Upton is ready to get outta Dodge. The No Trade is really NOT an issue.
I’m not the least bit surprised bu those Mariano Rivera quotes.
I’ve maintained from day one he will not pitch in 2013. He will continue to try and return in September/October with the goal of going out with a save rather than a warning track stumble, but if he doesn’t make it he will head off to the missionary type work he sees himself doing in the future.
Some of you need to actually look at Upton’s stats. The Arizona dissatisfaction with Upton is about expectations both for Utpon and their team repeating a NL West title. Upton is Still a Very young player that has yet to achieve his ceiling.
Upton’s having a poor season and his comments about not caring about fans really ticked off ownership. He’s still an off-the-charts talent who is well worth pursuing.
Once Joba is healthy do you include him or Robertson in an offer? If they wait til post-season they’ll have to know about Mariano and Soriano (opt out) before moving one of them.
Johnny. Rocket. July 22nd, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Doom and Gloom in the Land of The Yankees?
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Funny ! Like trading Nova ? Young, cheap, healthy, eats innings, competitive and has the full array of stuff. What’s not to like ?
“Upton’s AAV is more like $ 8.5 M…. you factor the entire deal, 6 years, $ 51.25.”
Not when you trade for a player…….the new AAV is based on how much hes owed when yoh acquire him….and his deal is back loaded…..
Mick ? ?
Earth to Mick, come in please………………..
Where did you go ? It’s OK dude, the cat’s already out of the proverbial bag.
Upton’s homers are down this year, but otherwise, his numbers are in line with historical averages. For the right price, he could be a solid addition to the club. However, I cn’t imagine the DBacks would be eager to move him.
86w183 July 22nd, 2012 at 12:03 pm
I’m not the least bit surprised bu those Mariano Rivera quotes.
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What did he say?
I would not trade Joba because teams will try to deal with him as if he’s a 7th inning reliever/throw-in in any trade. Then once they have their hands on him, they’ll treat him like the closer or even starter talent that he is.
Ghost,
UnKnown July 22nd, 2012 at 11:59 am
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo…..bled=false
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From thinking he can come back this year to maybe not playing next year…
Mo is not coming back if he doesn’t think he can pitch at the same level, I don’t think. And whether or not he can ever do that again without worrying about his knee, who knows?
One good thing about losing all these games to the A’s is that it has allowed the A’s to pull up right next to the Angels in the standings (tied in the lost column). I don’t care if we get shutout and swept tonight…I’d rather see Oakland in the playoffs a hundred times before having to face this Angels team in Anaheim.
I guess all those here that got on Cashman when he said; Pitching, pitching, pitching – are now getting an idea of how things might go in the PS when you face teams in a short series, and outstanding pitching.
Right now our SP is doing well, and should be winning games, given a little run support.
There is no doubt in my mind we need an OF bat that can be consistent, and not another over-the-hill type like Victorino, pleae not that loser.
We have better talent in AAA and on the bench now, we need a young quality OF.
I see some here are starting to agree with the position I took regarding A-Jax. Not to say Granderson hasn’t been good for this team, but, in the long run he’s getting more and more of an all or nothing player. JMO
What happens if Mo retires and Soriano opts out? Would you sign Soriano to the extension he’ll be looking for?
Upton turns 24 yrs old, the end of August. With Swish gone in 2013, this a Real opportunity Now and down-the-line.
If the Yankees did trade Granderson (I think it would be a goo idea but I just can’t see them doing it, seems un-Yankee like) what realistically could they expect back? I’m trying to think of what player recently traded we could compare the package to…
Can someone tell me if a players contract has several incentives, do the incentives, if met, count towards the teams overall salary?
Example; If a player is paid $5M, and has another $4M in incenntives, and meets those incentives, is his salary now $9M?
We won’t be facing guys like Millone, Parker, and Griffin in the playoffs though. Those are some of the best in the league and in a big ballpark to boot.
“What happens if Mo retires and Soriano opts out? Would you sign Soriano to the extension he’ll be looking for?”
Montgomery-Robertson 8th/9th inning with Logan, Rapada, Epply, Wade, and maybe convert someone like Mitchell or Marshall to a set up man.
DaveD July 22nd, 2012 at 12:49 pm
“What happens if Mo retires and Soriano opts out? Would you sign Soriano to the extension he’ll be looking for?”
Montgomery-Robertson 8th/9th inning with Logan, Rapada, Epply, Wade, and maybe convert someone like Mitchell or Marshall to a set up man.
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Joba would get the late innings before Montgomery.
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Thanks. I thought 2012 was going to be his last year, considering that he announced that he made a final decision on his future prior to the season. His injury and subsequent remarks has made everything significantly murkier.
“If a player is paid $5M, and has another $4M in incenntives, and meets those incentives, is his salary now $9M?”
From my understanding, yes. Usually, when a player signs a deal with incentive, the base salary is very low and if the player meets the incentives, the team wouldn’t mind paying the difference because his performance would have warranted it.
Also, that is why sometimes you see cut/trade players when they look like they are on pace to reach incentives that trigger salary, if he team doesn’t feel they can pay it.
the Yankees are not trading Nova……not happening
I think MO still gets really emotional about his injury and sometimes doesn’t know how he should feel about coming back. Totally understandable.
It can be hard to make a good decision when your emotional.
BIG AL July 22nd, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Can someone tell me if a players contract has several incentives, do the incentives, if met, count towards the teams overall salary?
Example; If a player is paid $5M, and has another $4M in incenntives, and meets those incentives, is his salary now $9M?
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I think that it depends on the incentive: Signing bonuses don’t count, but preformance bonuses do.
UnKnown July 22nd, 2012 at 12:54 pm
I think MO still gets really emotional about his injury and sometimes doesn’t know how he should feel about coming back. Totally understandable.
It can be hard to make a good decision when your emotional.
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Yes, I agree. In the end, I suspect Mo will stick with his original plan to hang them up this year.
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If Mo makes it back by mid-September, is he the closer for the playoffs, regardless of the season Soriano has had?
GregD July 22nd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
the Yankees are not trading Nova……not happening
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I think that’s pretty safe to say. I can’t imagine why or for whom the Yanks would consider moving Nova.
Thanks for the input on my question concerning incentives. I was looking for a way to sign, and re-sign players, and still stay under the $189M cap.
A-Rod has so many big $ incentives, and if he were to somehow reach them, it would really cost the team.
Later folks, Y’all have a great day!
Enjoy the game.
“If Mo makes it back by mid-September, is he the closer for the playoffs, regardless of the season Soriano has had?”
No Brainer for me. Blasphemy to think otherwise. Enter Sandman.