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Stumbling Yankees head into Seattle

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 23, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Until yesterday, the Yankees were the only team in baseball that had not lost four straight games this season. Until this weekend, there was every reason to feel good about a team that had surged to the best record in baseball and built a considerable lead in the division.

Should that feeling change after a four-game sweep in Oakland?

“Not at all,” Mark Teixeira said. “We just need to score more runs. That’s the fact of the matter. It’d be one thing if guys were going down left and right, we were giving up a ton of runs, and getting our butts whipped. Were all the games one-run games? Yeah. We’re just one or two hits away from being where we need to be. So you learn from it, and you make sure when those opportunities come up tomorrow, we come through. Or hit more home runs, one of the two.”

This team has gone through stretches when its power-based lineup has struggled. It happened this weekend against the pitching staff with the lowest ERA in the American League.

How much of that was due to the A’s (talented and unfamiliar) and how much was because of the Yankees (aging and one-dimensional)?

“We ran into the green machine over there,” Alex Rodriguez said. “Those guys are playing good ball, playing good baseball, pitching well. Everything they’re doing is working out well for them. That last inning they get an infield hit, a one-out sacrifice — which you don’t see very often — and a first-pitch base hit that kind of epitomizes how they’re going. We just have to keep going. Keep playing hard. Our guys threw the ball very well. Get a little better timely hitting and we’ll be fine.”

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192 Responses to “Stumbling Yankees head into Seattle”

  1. blake July 23rd, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Pretty stiff penalties for Penn State…..cant imagine theyll be competitive any time soon.

  2. Tackelberry July 23rd, 2012 at 9:35 am

    Soriano isn’t the only one that was shocked that ball carried as much as it did. I knew he hit it good, but to carry over the CF fence. I couldn’t beleive it, but I guess thats the way it went all weekend for Oakland.

  3. Shame Spencer July 23rd, 2012 at 9:38 am

    The sanctions include:

    * vacation of all wins from 1998 through 2011, reflected in the record book;

    * a ban from bowl games for four years.

    * a reduction in football scholarships from 25 to 15.

    * a five-year probation period.The NCAA will also allow any entering or returning athletes to transfer and immediately compete in another program or retain his football scholarship whether the player chooses to play or not.

  4. blake July 23rd, 2012 at 9:39 am

    If Hamels doesnt accept the extension that Philly is offering then you have to figure he really wants out of there and Amaro has no choice but to deal him before the deadline ……..Cole probably can get as much or more from thr Dodgers in free agency and thats home for him…..but he would be taking a risk on inury between now and the end of the season……tough to turn down 140 million now when youre a pitcher.

  5. blake July 23rd, 2012 at 9:43 am

    Sounds like if youre a student at Penn State you should try out for the football team this fall …..they might need you.

  6. Gary July 23rd, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Blake I agree, it’s a real pile on.

    The process has just hardened the debate on both sides. I wish there was more of an opportunity to have the guys who were the principles in the coverup go through their court proceedings, before the sanctions and actions were brought forth. At least then there was an opportunity for the conclusions to be vetted through the process on both sides. Sad that Joe P died for a number of reasons. The dead tell no stories, I expect we will never know the real truth about what happened, although I do think that members of his family do.

  7. luis July 23rd, 2012 at 9:47 am

    Good morning everyone,

    Tough loss….Our pitching was fine the whole series, with the exception of Garcia…Our offense was awole for the series..Too many guess HR hitters..About Granderson, I am scared of the way he might age, I rather trade him this OS

  8. Bo knows July 23rd, 2012 at 9:48 am

    Yep, just love the genius of Teix – “Or hit more home runs, one of the two.” Dingleberry, you’re playing in two stadiums that suppress HRs. You’re not in YS anymore.

    Give the Yankees a pitcher with a CU and they’re toast.

    I said back when that they would be lucky to win one out of four because of the CU. The frustrating thing is that they are guessing right through the third strike, time and time again. The ironic thing is that they are the anagram kings. Walks and HRs.

  9. blake July 23rd, 2012 at 9:51 am

    “The dead tell no stories, I expect we will never know the real truth about what happened, although I do think that members of his family do.”

    I dont think we will ever know the whole story either…..the whole thing is sad.

  10. Shame Spencer July 23rd, 2012 at 9:51 am

    Stewart Mandel ?@slmandel

    So in the end, the Paterno/Bowden battle for all-time wins leader came down to who had fewer vacated wins. … College sports!

  11. Shame Spencer July 23rd, 2012 at 9:52 am

    “Emmert also said the NCAA would reserving the right to initiate formal investigations following any criminal proceedings and impose penalties on any individual involved.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....z21SBmp8va

  12. blake July 23rd, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Dont look now but Detroit is in first place. The playoffs are shaping up to be Yanks, Rangers, Tigers, Angels and then whoever grabs that final spot…….getting to the WS is gonna be a bear

  13. JM July 23rd, 2012 at 9:56 am

    The scholarship loss may be the toughest penalty for PSU….This so-called “death penalty” would have been much easier to recover from. It will be years and years before they are competitive in football again.

  14. Gary July 23rd, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Blake my central point is I don’t believe that Joe Papa being the person that he was would openly allow Sandusky a pass if it factually was known that he was what he was. Many do though. Sad he isn’t around to at least have an opportunity to refute the conclusions that have been made. If he was guilty in the end so be it, I just don’t think he was.

  15. JM July 23rd, 2012 at 9:56 am

    The Tigers have been playing well lately….Just swept the White Sox

  16. Bo knows July 23rd, 2012 at 9:58 am

    The CU to the Yankees is like silver to a vampire. Aaargh.

  17. luis July 23rd, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Bo,

    That’s the way the team has been built on (walks and homers). There is little else on that lineup. It’s sad to a point that they have diverted so hard from the teams of the 90′s

  18. blake July 23rd, 2012 at 10:01 am

    “Blake my central point is I don’t believe that Joe Papa being the person that he was would openly allow Sandusky a pass if it factually was known that he was what he was. Many do though. Sad he isn’t around to at least have an opportunity to refute the conclusions that have been made. If he was guilty in the end so be it, I just don’t think he was.”

    I do think its unfortunate because we really dont know……and he died without really getting a chance to explain or.defend himself…….maybe he was a villain …..maybe he did turn a blind eye to something he thought woukd tear his program down……but maybe he never fully grasped the situation either…….we just dont know and probably never will. The whole thing is tragic….

  19. Shame Spencer July 23rd, 2012 at 10:01 am

    blake July 23rd, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Dont look now but Detroit is in first place. The playoffs are shaping up to be Yanks, Rangers, Tigers, Angels and then whoever grabs that final spot…….getting to the WS is gonna be a bear

    ——————————–

    Pretty much what was predicted. Verlander in a 5 game set… I’m already having flashbacks.

    Gary – I think someone ‘factually’ walked in on the guy showering with a little kid.. and reported it to him.

  20. JobaTipsHisCap July 23rd, 2012 at 10:05 am

    penalty to PSU is fair, good.
    Let this college go to hell.

  21. blake July 23rd, 2012 at 10:06 am

    The Tigers, Angels, and Rangers all are reportedly working hard to improve at the deadline ……are the Yankees?

  22. Gary July 23rd, 2012 at 10:13 am

    Shame Spencer July 23rd, 2012 at 10:01 am

    blake July 23rd, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Dont look now but Detroit is in first place. The playoffs are shaping up to be Yanks, Rangers, Tigers, Angels and then whoever grabs that final spot…….getting to the WS is gonna be a bear

    ——————————–

    Pretty much what was predicted. Verlander in a 5 game set… I’m already having flashbacks.

    Gary – I think someone ‘factually’ walked in on the guy showering with a little kid.. and reported it to him.

    _________________________________________________________________________

    No issue with that and he did report it up the chain. The system after that fell apart, more could and should have been done for the victims. Once the administators were informed they should have gotten the authorities in immediatly, since when in any system does the coach get to be the decision maker on a potential criminal matter? this wasn’t a guy down getting sneaks at the finish line from a booster.

  23. Shame Spencer July 23rd, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Every strike brings me closer to the next home run. -Babe Ruth

    …think the current Yanks are taking this to heart.

  24. Against All Odds July 23rd, 2012 at 10:16 am

    Gary – I think someone ‘factually’ walked in on the guy showering with a little kid.. and reported it to him.

    ———————–

    Didn’t Paterno reply let’s not ruin anyone’s weekend

  25. Against All Odds July 23rd, 2012 at 10:19 am

    since when in any system does the coach get to be the decision maker on a potential criminal matter?

    ———————-

    When the coach is there longer than the higher ups. Paterno was the king of his castle. I still sit here and wonder why didn’t he just turn him in. Forget the higher ups and just turn JS over to authorities.

  26. Shame Spencer July 23rd, 2012 at 10:20 am

    “since when in any system does the coach get to be the decision maker on a potential criminal matter? this wasn’t a guy down getting sneaks at the finish line from a booster.”

    It isn’t that I don’t understand this… but I also don’t know that I’d be able to look in the mirror every day knowing a guy I reported up the chain for being inappropriately close to a child was still walking around campus. For years. Do you think you’d be okay with that Gary? And I ask that sincerely. If you could make a case for why you’d be okay with that I’m open to hearing it… just pretty sure I’d disagree with it anyway. In all fairness.. that little twit that walked into the showers and kept his mouth shut so he could get a nice comfy coaching job is equally as accountable as Joe Pa, IMO.

  27. JM July 23rd, 2012 at 10:22 am

    Having read the whole Freeh report, I have to say I think it’s fairly clear Paterno knew something was up….I doubt he knew the full extent of it but I also think he didn’t try to know either. Good decision to take his statue down as far as I’m concerned

  28. Shame Spencer July 23rd, 2012 at 10:26 am

    blake July 23rd, 2012 at 10:06 am

    The Tigers, Angels, and Rangers all are reportedly working hard to improve at the deadline ……are the Yankees?

    ————————

    Blake – Tryin to give me nightmares…. If any of these teams add Hamels, I’ll cry.

  29. blake July 23rd, 2012 at 10:31 am

    “I still sit here and wonder why didn’t he just turn him in.”

    Its hard to understand…..Im trying to think of how I would feel if a few individuals ruined my alma mater…..and thats what this is…..Penn State will never be the same….and itll be a long time before its even close. I feel bad for the alumni and students of that school as well……

    Shame,

    If the Phillies dont sign him you can bank on the Rangers getting him IMO….

  30. blake July 23rd, 2012 at 10:33 am

    I think the Tigers get Garza……and woukdnt surprise me if the Angels jumped in and got a Dempster or Greinke or somebody. The Rangers are in win mode…..I think they plan to let Hamilton walk and want to go for it this year…..so I expect them to.do something…..whether it be Hamels or Garza or Greinke………or Justin Upton.

  31. Gary July 23rd, 2012 at 10:37 am

    Shame Spencer July 23rd, 2012 at 10:20 am

    “since when in any system does the coach get to be the decision maker on a potential criminal matter? this wasn’t a guy down getting sneaks at the finish line from a booster.”

    It isn’t that I don’t understand this… but I also don’t know that I’d be able to look in the mirror every day knowing a guy I reported up the chain for being inappropriately close to a child was still walking around campus. For years. Do you think you’d be okay with that Gary? And I ask that sincerely. If you could make a case for why you’d be okay with that I’m open to hearing it… just pretty sure I’d disagree with it anyway. In all fairness.. that little twit that walked into the showers and kept his mouth shut so he could get a nice comfy coaching job is equally as accountable as Joe Pa, IMO.

    _________________________________________________________________________

    Good comments, I ‘d be the first to second that there was a lot of bad judgement. No I don’t think it’s OK for sure. I guess given the outcomes we do have to put the blame on everyone since no one really acted the way they should have and everyone forgot what their first responsibility was. Like Blake said it’s tragic for everyone especially the victims. Not much more you can say.

  32. YES July 23rd, 2012 at 10:51 am

    This series against the A’s is a preview of what the playoffs are going to be once again for this team. One & out against a team with good pitching and timely hitting.

    Standing the leadoff runner at 2nd base with no outs in the 12th & not even advancing him to 3rd base is just unforgivable baseball. So much for all the talk about Joe being a small ball manager.

    Anybody could manager this team. Just write out the lineup card, then sit back and wait for a HR or a SO. Even a trained chimp is going to probably win 60% of their games over a 162 game season facing mediocre clubs featuring their 4th & 5th best starters followed into the game by their weak middle relievers.

    However, once you get to a short series against a good team. They will be facing their top pitchers followed by their setup men and then their closers. It will look a lot like the last 10 years with numerous scoring chances blown & being knocked out of the playoffs by what looked like inferior teams on paper. (with 09 being the exception when Alex & CC carried them).

    Cashman & the brass just do not seem to learn.

  33. Bronx Jeers July 23rd, 2012 at 10:51 am

    Hey I’ve stumbled through a long weekend in the Bay Area too.

    It happens.

  34. mick July 23rd, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Maybe Sandusky had something on Mr. Pa…

  35. mick July 23rd, 2012 at 10:55 am

    I am hoping Joe G knows more than us about why he took Phelps out of the game so Rapada could face the lefty.
    The sudden about face in treating Phelps like a starter, but now a reliever, has me perplexed.

  36. Hassey July 23rd, 2012 at 10:56 am

    I’m looking forward to loathing this roster all the way trhough to the victory parade

  37. Chip July 23rd, 2012 at 10:57 am

    My feelings on Penn State are this:

    1. No, Paterno, Schultz, Curley and Spanier do not belong in the same group as Sandusky.
    2. The four above do share a huge amount of the blame. They tried to protect an institution when their first duty should have been to protect the helpless.
    3. Saying Paterno was “just a citizen” and couldn’t have done anything is nonsense. He was, at times, the most influential man in the state. He could have gone to any number of authorities and if they were all slow to act he could have gone to the media.
    4. In trying to protect the institution, Paterno, Schultz, Curley and Spanier have ultimately destroyed Penn State.
    5. I do feel bad for the current students who are likely to see their tuition skyrocket. Penn State is facing a ton of fines, likely civil suits and their number one source of revenue has just been destroyed. Only way for the school to remain viable might be tuition hikes.

  38. Chip July 23rd, 2012 at 10:58 am

    mick July 23rd, 2012 at 10:55 am

    I am hoping Joe G knows more than us about why he took Phelps out of the game so Rapada could face the lefty.
    The sudden about face in treating Phelps like a starter, but now a reliever, has me perplexed.
    —————-

    It’s very simple Mick…organizationally the long term goal is for Phelps to be a starter. In the short term Girardi needs him as a reliever and will use him as such.

  39. Against All Odds July 23rd, 2012 at 10:59 am

    blake July 23rd, 2012 at 10:31 am

    “I still sit here and wonder why didn’t he just turn him in.”

    Its hard to understand…..Im trying to think of how I would feel if a few individuals ruined my alma mater…..and thats what this is…..Penn State will never be the same….and itll be a long time before its even close. I feel bad for the alumni and students of that school as well……

    ———————-

    Yes it’s never going to be the same again. JS is always going to be linked to the university and the stain will last for generations.

  40. mick July 23rd, 2012 at 11:00 am

    He could have gone to any number of authorities and if they were all slow to act he could have gone to the media.
    ======================
    I wonder how much the police were involved in this coverup.

  41. mick July 23rd, 2012 at 11:02 am

    It’s very simple Mick…organizationally the long term goal is for Phelps to be a starter. In the short term Girardi needs him as a reliever and will use him as such.
    ======================
    sort of how they treated hughes and joba?

  42. Chip July 23rd, 2012 at 11:02 am

    With Ian Desmond out with a torn oblique I could see a Ramiro Pena for John Lannan swap. Lannan would certainly be an improvement over Freddy Garcia and you could probably get Washington to pick up cash.

  43. mick July 23rd, 2012 at 11:04 am

    don’t pretend to know if the stretching out routine on a sporadic basis is good for a pitcher.
    hard to believe that Freddy is standing in the way of Phelps’ progress.

  44. blake July 23rd, 2012 at 11:05 am

    “With Ian Desmond out with a torn oblique I could see a Ramiro Pena for John Lannan swap. Lannan would certainly be an improvement over Freddy Garcia and you could probably get Washington to pick up cash.”

    I doubt theyd trade a useful pitcher for Ramiero Pena….surely theyll aim higher.

  45. Johnny. Rocket. July 23rd, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Oh great. More Paterno talk.

    Please stop it.

    No. One. Cares.

  46. mick July 23rd, 2012 at 11:06 am

    I doubt theyd trade a useful pitcher for Ramiero Pena….surely theyll aim higher.
    =================
    Nuney?

  47. blake July 23rd, 2012 at 11:08 am

    I would think they’ll move Espinosa to SS and they have an in house option in Lombardozzi that’s better than Pena.

  48. Chip July 23rd, 2012 at 11:10 am

    mick July 23rd, 2012 at 11:02 am

    It’s very simple Mick…organizationally the long term goal is for Phelps to be a starter. In the short term Girardi needs him as a reliever and will use him as such.
    ======================
    sort of how they treated hughes and joba?
    —————–

    Not exactly – they were short relievers used for an inning at a time and used multiple days in a row. Phelps is being used more like Noesi was last year.

  49. Chip July 23rd, 2012 at 11:11 am

    blake July 23rd, 2012 at 11:08 am

    I would think they’ll move Espinosa to SS and they have an in house option in Lombardozzi that’s better than Pena.
    —————-

    Good point – forgot about Lombordozzi.

  50. blake July 23rd, 2012 at 11:13 am

    “Phelps is being used more like Noesi was last year.”

    If it turns out that hes used that way then I dont like it…..but I think Girardi thinks he needs him as a swing man…..a guy that can go short or long depending on the situation….and my guess is thats why he didnt go longer yesterday….Joe didnt want to lose him for 3 or 4 days.

  51. Chip July 23rd, 2012 at 11:17 am

    blake July 23rd, 2012 at 11:13 am

    “Phelps is being used more like Noesi was last year.”

    If it turns out that hes used that way then I dont like it…..but I think Girardi thinks he needs him as a swing man…..a guy that can go short or long depending on the situation….and my guess is thats why he didnt go longer yesterday….Joe didnt want to lose him for 3 or 4 days.
    —————–

    It’s the same role Noesi had last year and Aceves had before that. I don’t like it either, but he’s probably better suited for it than Freddy Garcia and I guess the Yankees think Warren’s upside is higher so they want to keep him as a starter but Phelps is more ML ready.

  52. 86w183 July 23rd, 2012 at 11:17 am

    Yesterday’s loss probably bothers me as much or more than any other this year.

    WTF is CC doing throwing change ups to guys who cannot hit a fastball. Inge and Suzuki are over matched against 92 MPH.

    Add in the inability to tack on runs and the miserable failure with Tex on 2B with no one out and I did a lot of cussin’

    Oh well, life’s good when you get swept in four one-run games and you’re still 6 games up.

  53. luis July 23rd, 2012 at 11:19 am

    Chip,

    Like they did with Noesi? I would think that by now they would know what huge mistake that was. If they repeat t.hat strategy, Phelps won’t over 150 innings for the secong year in a row. This means he may not be an option for next years rotation or they would risk a year like Hughes had following the 2010 season. Which would mean delaying Phelps development. I don’t think that’s smart

  54. blake July 23rd, 2012 at 11:20 am

    “It’s the same role Noesi had last year and Aceves had before that.”

    nah…Aceves’s role was important….he pitched a lot of high leverage innings and innings that matter….Noesi was a mop up guy last year and save a few outings pretty much nothing he did mattered. If they feel they need Phelps in an Aceves role then I’m ok with that even though I’d rather him start because at least then he’ll be valuable…..

    what I don’t like is wasting prospects on innings that Buddy Carlyle’s and Serge Mitre’s should be pitching…..

  55. blake July 23rd, 2012 at 11:22 am

    I think either Phelps or Hughes will be traded before opening day next year…..Phelps is a starter and he has nothing left to do in the minors…so they either need to find a spot for him in the rotation or move him for something else they need.

  56. blake July 23rd, 2012 at 11:24 am

    You can’t keep prospect starters who are ready to pitch in the majors either in AAA or the bullpen because it wastes their value….and it’s not fair the the player either.

  57. 86w183 July 23rd, 2012 at 11:25 am

    I would prefer Phelps be starting in Scranton than in the NYY bullpen, but I’d more rather see him replacing Garcia this weekend.

  58. luis July 23rd, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Blake,

    I don’t think they would trade Hughes or Phelps. Could be wrong though. But I think that doing that would mean that you have to bring back both Pettitte and Kuroda in to the fold. Otherwise, you are relying to heavily on Pineda, which I think is far from a sure thing at this point.

  59. Chip July 23rd, 2012 at 11:27 am

    blake July 23rd, 2012 at 11:20 am

    what I don’t like is wasting prospects on innings that Buddy Carlyle’s and Serge Mitre’s should be pitching…..
    ——————

    I don’t disagree – and if Andy were healthy then Phelps would be starting in the minors and Garcia would be the swing man.

    If it was up to me I would be using one of the veterans at AAA like Delcarmen, Ortiz, or Farquahr – but none of them are on the 40 man roster (true you could DFA Igarashi and change that)

  60. Chip July 23rd, 2012 at 11:28 am

    by the way – not including the work he did in stretching out when he was originally sent back down – Phelps is up to 64 IP.

  61. DONNYBROOK July 23rd, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Girardi managed the Entire Oakland series, like a Mgr leading his Division with a Big cushion. If those games had really mattered currently, Soriano woulda been in there Fri, Hughes woulda never seen the 8th inning, and Swish woulda been DL’d and his roster spot filled. The Only 2 things that concerned me outta that whole series was (1) Nix being exposed as a liability at SS, and (2) Robertson continuing to show he is Not dominating hitters like he did in 2011. He’s having Much more trouble getting that 3rd strike, forcing him to labor. Hopefully, Joba returns and fills that breach. A-Rod has it right. Some “timely hitting” on the Yankee Menu woulda covered up some warts, and is what they need going forward.

  62. luis July 23rd, 2012 at 11:30 am

    86,

    Garcia’s and Phelps’s roles should be reversed.

    Blake,

    I forgot to mention that probably Pettitte won’t take a 2,5 mil contract again.

  63. DONNYBROOK July 23rd, 2012 at 11:32 am

    GM’s drive a much tougher deal in the offseason, than when they are under-the-gun at the trade deadline. If your gonna deal Phelps, do it Now. J Upton will NOT be there After July 31.

  64. luis July 23rd, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Then Phelps has 80 innings…. They need to find him 70 more

  65. Chip July 23rd, 2012 at 11:35 am

    DONNYBROOK July 23rd, 2012 at 11:32 am

    GM’s drive a much tougher deal in the offseason, than when they are under-the-gun at the trade deadline. If your gonna deal Phelps, do it Now. J Upton will NOT be there After July 31.
    ——————

    Phelps is not getting the Yankees Justin Upton.

  66. blake July 23rd, 2012 at 11:36 am

    “I don’t think they would trade Hughes or Phelps. Could be wrong though. But I think that doing that would mean that you have to bring back both Pettitte and Kuroda in to the fold. Otherwise, you are relying to heavily on Pineda, which I think is far from a sure thing at this point.”

    maybe….but I just bet he uses one of them to trade for an outfielder between now and opening day. I could be wrong…..

    Sherman is pretty plugged in to the Yankees and he’s written two articles now suggesting how the Yankees could get a bat (Upton and CarGo)…..it could be just him speculating but my guess is that he’s heard something that makes him think they are going to try to acquire a bat to replace Swisher via trade.

  67. NYYROC July 23rd, 2012 at 11:37 am

    With the way he has pitched AP certainly has some leverage to ask for for more than $2.5MM. But I think the NYY also have leverage in that AP most likely won’t pitch anywhere but NY. If AP wants to come back, I’m sure they’ll meet at some happy medium.

  68. LGY July 23rd, 2012 at 11:37 am

    Chip

    I believe one of the conditions on paying the fine is that the money could not come as a result of tuition hikes or cutting other programs.

  69. blake July 23rd, 2012 at 11:38 am

    Sherman suggested a Mason Williams, Nunez, Phelps package for Upton…..I think that’s way light but he has a better idea than we do most likely as he’s actually talked to Kevin Towers…..I would do that deal in a heartbeat but I would say it’ll take more.

  70. blake July 23rd, 2012 at 11:39 am

    the guy that really has earned the right to come back if he chooses is Kuroda…..if he’d do another 1 year deal for 2013 I’d sign it right now

  71. blake July 23rd, 2012 at 11:40 am

    If the Yankees score 2 runs tonight there will be no hat tipping to Kevin Millwood allowed.

  72. 86w183 July 23rd, 2012 at 11:41 am

    They can’t cut other sports, but the NCAA can’t tell them what to do about tuition.

    Easily the harshest penalties ever handed down.

    I think the Yanks should go after a bat and should do it now.I would off this package for an All-Star hitter in his prime:

    One of —- Hughes/Nova/Phelps

    One of —- Robertston/Chamberlain/Warren

    One of —- Nunez/Russo/Adams/Joseph

    One of —- Austin/Mesa/Williams

    Who does that get me?

  73. Chip July 23rd, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Blake -

    It’s a pretty good bet that the Yankees this offseason will trade for an OF. Figure Swisher is going to want more than what Quentin just got so that pretty well prices him out of the Yankee plans.

    I think they’ll look at the trade market for an Upton, but I still don’t believe they have the parts to get him and I think any team that does have the parts to get Upton would just keep him for themselves rather than be part of a 3 team deal.

  74. Ys Guy July 23rd, 2012 at 11:43 am

    having andy pettitte is nice but be careful about overrelying on him. in 2010 he managed to pitch only 129 innings between various injuries. this year he will pitch less than that. next year he will turn 41.

  75. Chip July 23rd, 2012 at 11:44 am

    LGY July 23rd, 2012 at 11:37 am

    Chip

    I believe one of the conditions on paying the fine is that the money could not come as a result of tuition hikes or cutting other programs.
    ————————-

    Nice theory but if you lose your main form of generating revenue then you have to either cut somewhere else or find a new revenue stream. Unless their alumni development department is really impressive I don’t see how they do it outside of hiking tuition.

    They’re paying it in installments over 5 years – that’s $12M per and doesn’t take into consideration the eventual hit they’re going to take in civil court.

  76. luis July 23rd, 2012 at 11:45 am

    Blake,

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    This will also allow the Yankees to extend Hughes with the money that comes off the books with Feliciano and Garcia. They would be saving money here as well.

  77. Chip July 23rd, 2012 at 11:45 am

    blake July 23rd, 2012 at 11:38 am

    Sherman suggested a Mason Williams, Nunez, Phelps package for Upton…..I think that’s way light but he has a better idea than we do most likely as he’s actually talked to Kevin Towers…..I would do that deal in a heartbeat but I would say it’ll take more.
    ————

    I saw that – agree that it’s light – I have to wonder what value Nunez has at this point.

  78. Ys Guy July 23rd, 2012 at 11:45 am

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  79. blake July 23rd, 2012 at 11:46 am

    “I think they’ll look at the trade market for an Upton, but I still don’t believe they have the parts to get him and I think any team that does have the parts to get Upton would just keep him for themselves rather than be part of a 3 team deal.”

    I don’t know…..maybe not….a lot just depends on how Towers evaluates what they have and what the Yankees will give up.

  80. 86w183 July 23rd, 2012 at 11:47 am

    Swisher, Josh Hamilton, Shane Victorino, BJ Upton, Cody Ross. Michael Bourn and Melky Cabrera make a pretty good FA class of OF.

    Yanks will sign at least one of them and maybe two.

  81. Chip July 23rd, 2012 at 11:48 am

    86w183 July 23rd, 2012 at 11:47 am

    Swisher, Josh Hamilton, Shane Victorino, BJ Upton, Cody Ross. Michael Bourn and Melky Cabrera make a pretty good FA class of OF.

    Yanks will sign at least one of them and maybe two.
    —————–

    Doubtful.

  82. blake July 23rd, 2012 at 11:48 am

    ” I think they might trade Grandy for cost controlled OF”

    I think the problem is that I don’t think Grandy gets you a cost controlled OF unless that cost controlled outfielder is a big downgrade from Granderson himself……Granderson will have trade value…..but you’re not getting a good player that has long term control for a year of 31 year old Granderson IMO

  83. DONNYBROOK July 23rd, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Before saying who your gonna bring back, (Kuroda), you need to see how a player performs in the Playoffs. With the Yankees, that’s the Proof in the Pudding.

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    DONNYBROOK July 23rd, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Before saying who your gonna bring back, (Kuroda), you need to see how a player performs in the Playoffs. With the Yankees, that’s the Proof in the Pudding.
    ————–

    Um…no it’s not – Alex was a playoff disaster when he opted out, they brought him back. Mussina was average in the playoffs, they brought him back. AJ Burnett was good in the playoffs and they traded him. Jim Leyritz was a playoff hero and they traded him as well.

  86. 86w183 July 23rd, 2012 at 11:50 am

    Sherman’s deal is way light…. take his pkg and add Nova, Hughes, Robertson or Joba.

    Ys guy makes a good point on Pettite. IF he wants to pitch next year my guess is he gets something like $ 4 M plus bonuses for his 15th, 20th, 25th start…

  87. Chip July 23rd, 2012 at 11:51 am

    86w183 July 23rd, 2012 at 11:50 am

    Sherman’s deal is way light…. take his pkg and add Nova, Hughes, Robertson or Joba.

    —————

    Agreed.

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    Here’s a question – with it looking like Joba is a couple of weeks away (again a lot can happen to set that back) who goes from the pen to make room

  89. DONNYBROOK July 23rd, 2012 at 11:54 am

    No way you are gonna get fair value back onna 35-40 HR hitting CF’er\Granderson. They are just Far too rare. Either be content with his production and watch him walk, or cough up the $$$ to keep ‘em. Those are the Only 2 options the Yankees have, and the $189 Mill makes it obvious which way they will go.

  90. DONNYBROOK July 23rd, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    - CHIP -
    Other than Burnett, your examples are ancient history and do Not consider the $189 Mill goal. Burnett was a NY Head Case, (black eye, etc) and he Had to be shipped out. His performance in Pitt solidifies this diagnosis. Kuroda pulls a Matsui in the Playoffs, and the Yanks will be Forced to look at bringing him back. His $12 Mill salary this season, and the $189 Mill Goal, make him a Very, Very long-shot to return.

  91. Ys Guy July 23rd, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    “Here’s a question – with it looking like Joba is a couple of weeks away (again a lot can happen to set that back) who goes from the pen to make room”
    =============================
    patrick corbin (aquired in the upton trade) :)

  92. Chip July 23rd, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Trading Granderson is so far out of the realm of what the Yankees do. This is not an organization that trades established, productive players for prospects.

    For another thing – who is going to want Granderson? A team that’s likely competing with the Yankees for a playoff spot or trip to the Series? So why are the Yankees going to do that?

  93. Chip July 23rd, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    DONNYBROOK July 23rd, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Kuroda pulls a Matsui in the Playoffs, and the Yanks will be Forced to look at bringing him back. His $12 Mill salary this season, and the $189 Mill Goal, make him a Very, Very long-shot to return.
    ————————

    What makes you say that? Matsui pulled a Matsui in the playoffs and the Yankees didn’t bring him back. Didn’t bring Damon back either for that matter.

    Brian Cashman does not base his decisions on the small sample size of the playoffs.

  94. DONNYBROOK July 23rd, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    My point is, short of pulling a Matsui in the Playoffs, Kuroda is GONE. His regular season performance will have NO bearing on whether he returns. Maybe if he turns in a Matsui performance in the Playoffs, the Yankees would be forced, (PR) to bring him back. As of Now, Kuroda is a goner\$189 Mill.

  95. 86w183 July 23rd, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Remember the $ 189 M target is for 2014, not 2013.

    IF — as I keep predicting — Mariano retires, the Yanks get to $ 189 simply by saying goodbye to him, Feliciano and Garcia.

    There will be some raises so other cuts will have to be orchestrated. That means either Swisher or Martin goes, but probably not both. Kuroda might be back in 2013, but not beyond.

    Soriano could also be gone in 2013, but WILL be gone in 2014. So while the Yanks try to develop position players that will be inexpensive, finding an affordable closer could also be a huge piece to the puzzle.

  96. 86w183 July 23rd, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    heading out for a while guys…. have a day

  97. Ys Guy July 23rd, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    what happens if mariano and andy both decide they want to come back for 2014?

  98. DONNYBROOK July 23rd, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    I believe MO will return in 2013, as will Pettitte. Swisher, and Kuroda are gone. Martin also, unless he agrees to a Walmart Cut-Rate Deal.

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    The negotiations are reaching a “sensitive” stage, ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick reports. The Phillies, who have offered Hamels a six-year deal in the $127.5MM range, must save themselves a window to discuss trades in case they can’t agree to terms with Hamels on an extension. The Cardinals could be a suitor for Hamels if he reaches free agency, Crasnick writes. Hamels’ wife is from Missouri.

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  100. Ys Guy July 23rd, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    hamels wants to stay in philly, he lives in center city with his philly area wife, but he’s held a grudge against the team for renewing him in his first few years and determined to get to free agency to force them to pay him at the very top of the market.

    unfortunately for cole, he’s going to have to choose between a shot at being a philly for life by signing an exemption and forgoing free agency, or being traded somewhere for a few months before signing to come back to philly.

    i say he ‘caves’ and settles for an extention. but the phillies have to be careful not to try and coerce him with threats of not signing him on the offseason or he will fly the coop and spend the rest of his career sticking it to the phillies.

  101. DONNYBROOK July 23rd, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    Hamels can always come back to the Phillies After going the free agent route. He should currently tell the Phils “No Soap”, and see what his options are After Oct. Playing for the Phils Now, has gotta be hell. Getting outta the mess they currently got going, would be a relief.

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    and it does have a certain logic. though, i don’t think phelps will be moved (of course, i could be wrong). i don’t think so because they need pitching, for the rest of the season, and playoffs. while it looks like joba will be back soon, nobody knows what to expect over the following months. and, we saw that you can lose a chunk of the rotation at the drop of a hat, hence, phelps is insurance. he certainly won’t be dealt mid-season, imo, for that reason.

    if towers/cash make this deal mid-season, then a nunez-type, young of-prospect-type, are gone. the only question is which young pitcher(s). might be betances in there.

    and some will also depend on competing offers; but with the escalating salaries for upton, that might limit the takers somewhat.

    a lot will depend on how badly and quickly towers and his ownership want to move upton; they’ll keep that to themselves.

    personally, i’d want a lot of medical info and checking-out of his shoulders, etc. why is his power down?

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