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Postgame notes: “You can’t play with it”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 25, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

As soon as he was hit, Alex Rodriguez crashed to the ground, grabbed his left hand and began kicking and squirming in the dirt. He was clearly hurt, but…

“I never thought fracture,” he said.

Rodriguez has a non-displaced fracture of the fifth metacarpal near his left pinky. Eric Chavez said he had the same injury. He remembered it being in 2006, and he remembered missing close to eight weeks. The Yankees media guide shows it was actually in 2004 and he missed slightly less than six weeks.

“No, you can’t play with it, no,” Chavez said. “… The ball (that hit Rodriguez) was a changeup. If the seams hit you, and the seams hit you in the right spot, it doesn’t matter how hard it’s thrown, it’s going to break. I know.”

So this is the latest blow in a season full of them. Joba Chamberlain’s ankle. Michael Pineda’s shoulder. Brett Gardner’s elbow. Mariano Rivera’s knee. Andy Pettitte’s ankle. Now Rodriguez’s left hand.

“I don’t know if you can really put a measure on who gets hurt,” Derek Jeter said. “We lost Mo. We lost Andy. Now we’ve lost Al. But, you know, you find out how good you are. Other guys are going to have to step up. We can’t feel sorry for ourselves because no one else is going to. It’ll be a challenge but it’s a challenge with all the injuries we’ve had this year.”

Girardi said that Eric Chavez will play third base tomorrow. That’s an easy decision against a right-handed starter. The Yankees also have Jayson Nix available to play third. With a day game tomorrow and an off day Thursday, the Yankees could make a quick call-up just to fill the roster spot before making a more permanent addition later.

There’s no word yet on a call-up, but the Triple-A roster doesn’t offer an ideal solution. Corban Joseph is hitting, but he’s a lefty, which doesn’t fit well as a complement to Chavez. Russell Branyan has some big league time at third base, but he’s also left-handed and hasn’t played much third base since 2008. Ronnier Mustelier is on the disabled list.

Of the active right-handers, Kevin Russo is hitting in Triple-A, but he’s no longer on the 40-man. Brandon Laird is on the 40-man, but he hasn’t hit much this year. David Adams has been hitting, and he’s on the 40-man, but he hasn’t played above Double-A. Ramiro Pena is a switch hitter and a known quantity. He could be a short-term utility option, a defensive bench player while Chavez and Nix split time at third.

The real complement to Chavez might be Eduardo Nunez, who recently came off the Triple-A disabled list and is currently getting his playing time in Tampa. Even if it doesn’t happen right away, the Yankees could give Nunez another chance on the big league roster, this time focused strictly on third base in hopes of finding some defensive consistency.

• Felix Hernandez hit three batters tonight, and reliever Lucas Luetge nearly hit another, but absolutely no one in the Yankees clubhouse thought the pitches were intentional. Giving the circumstances — long-time teammate Ichiro Suzuki in the foot; Jeter and Rodriguez in a two-run game in the eighth — intentionally hitting someone made no sense. “It wasn’t intentional,” Jeter said. “I mean, it was a close game at the time. I think Al got hit with a changeup. It’s just one of those freak things. You wish it didn’t happen; obviously when somebody gets injured it’s pretty bad.”

• When Rodriguez was hit, it was pretty clear pretty quickly that there was a problem. “It didn’t look good,” Mark Teixeira said. “A lot of times, you get hit, and once you check yourself, you kind of brush yourself off and you go to first. He stayed down and he was really holding that thing in pain, so I had a weird feeling that it wasn’t good. Unfortunately, it wasn’t.”

• With two on and two outs in the eighth, Girardi left Raul Ibanez in to face lefty Luetge. Pinch hitting wasn’t as obvious a call as it might have seemed. “If I pinch hit Andruw, they’re going to bring in Brnadon League,” Girardi said. “So I just decided to stick with Raul in that situation.”

• Another questionable Girardi decision: Taking Freddy Garcia out in the eighth inning. Garcia had thrown just 89 pitches, and he’d retired the past 15 batters he’d faced. “Saunders had hit him pretty hard,” Girardi said. “So I figured with the lefties coming up I would just bring in my lefty, and then go from there. We got in trouble because we walked people, and then you get a check swing for a hit. What are you going to do?”

• Saunders had homered and singled off Garcia. The home run was easily the hardest-hit ball off Garcia all night. Clay Rapada came out of the bullpen to face lefties Dustin Ackley and Saunders. He walked Ackley before Saunders lined out sharply. That was the start of a one-run inning for the Mariners, giving them an insurance run.

• Garcia actually looked pretty good. The home run was hit hard, but the three singles during that two-run third weren’t particularly well hit. “I think I feel really good today,” Garcia said. “I got everything going right now. Third inning, they scored two runs, I think the only guy that hit the ball really good was Saunders. Beside that, the three or four base hits they have, they don’t really hit the ball hard. I try to go every inning and try to throw my best pitch. I got a good change today. Good slider. I start to always make my pitch, and they give me a favor. They start swinging the bat real aggressive, and for me, when that happens, it’s good because I can locate all my pitches and get the job more easy.”

• This was Garcia’s second quality start of the season. His last start of at least seven inning was July 25, 2011, also against Seattle. This was only his second eight-plus strikeout game since the start of 2008.

• Curtis Granderson hit his 27th home run and had his 25th multi-hit game.

• Teixeira has 23 RBI in July, the most in the Majors this month. … Jeter scored the 1,823rd run of his career, moving ahead of Eddie Collins for 15th-most all-time. … Rapada was charged with an earned run for the first time since June 9.

• Final word goes to Teixeira: “You can’t cry over spilled milk. You really can’t. It’s very unfortunate. You hate to see a guy go down with something freaky like that, but we have gotten through it so far. I expect nothing less out of the guys in this locker room. We expect to get through this and have Alex healthy in 4-6 weeks.”

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98 Responses to “Postgame notes: “You can’t play with it””

  1. theREALkevin July 25th, 2012 at 3:25 am

    Don’t care if the Mariners were just wild tonight. Be more f’ing careful. I’d throw at someone tomorrow if I’m the Yanks.

    Although maybe it was just something in the air. Tons of HBPs tonight in baseball including at peoples’ heads. Weird.

  2. Tidrow July 25th, 2012 at 5:26 am

    I’d promote Laird from Scranton. Guys’ not doing great down there but he does have some pop in his bat and showed himself to be capable fielder in his short stint in big leagues last year. Worth a shot.

  3. PacoDooley July 25th, 2012 at 6:02 am

    The HBPs in that game were ridiculous. If it were the NL, Felix would probably have been plunked (simply to make him feel less comfortable that he can throw anywhere he wants). But I’m not sure hitting a Seattle player today makes any sense.

    Not sure who they should call up. If Nunez had been playing the last few weeks he would be the likely candidate (bad defence and all). My money is on Pena, solely because they seem to take a conservative approach and he is a good utility guy.

    As long as they can weather the storm without all of the injured players they will at least have Alex, Andy and Joba back before the end of the season. I think Ichiro gives them 75% of Gardner, so he makes up for some lost ground there (adds speed and defence). Good thing that they built a lead in the standings to cushion their fall if they continue to hit a rough spot.

  4. PacoDooley July 25th, 2012 at 6:16 am

    Wow, lots of baseball news this morning – Hanley Ramirez to the Dodgers – who would have envisioned him being shipped off for minor league prospects a couple of years ago when he was among the best players in the NL. It’ll be interesting to see whether he can reinvigorate his career in LA.

  5. Mike Ri July 25th, 2012 at 6:38 am

    Sucks to hear about the Arod injury !.. Get better buddy ! …

  6. The Genius Maker July 25th, 2012 at 6:41 am

    I wrote a lot in my blog last night; hope you enjoy it!

    http://stevewigdor.blogspot.com/

  7. blake July 25th, 2012 at 6:44 am

    The Dodgers pretty much got Hanley for a salary dump…..Cash may have missed an opportunity there for a very talented guy at a wholesale price….

  8. PacoDooley July 25th, 2012 at 6:45 am

    Let’s say good bye to Cole Hamels – he’s going to re-sign with Philadelphia. Yet another reason why the trade they made for Pineda made sense in this market.

  9. Purenyyankee July 25th, 2012 at 6:58 am

    Nova BETTER drill someone in the ribs in the 1st inning tonight!!!!

  10. blake July 25th, 2012 at 7:03 am

    Alex was just starting to resemble somebody that looked like Arod and now this……just seems like hes never going to be allowed to get on track……certainly woukd have bern nice to fill that hole wifh Hanley given that the Dodgers gave up next to nothing for him.

  11. blake July 25th, 2012 at 7:08 am

    As soon as Alex got hurt Cashman should have called Miami and said Im in on Hanley…..now they have to either over pay for Headley or make do with what they have…..

    Alex should be back by playoff time……but his timing will be off and its hard to say what youll get after the injury……sucks

    Great move by the dodgers …..

  12. blake July 25th, 2012 at 7:13 am

    Maybe we can get Josh Johnson for Adam Warren and Ramiero Pena

  13. Benny Blanco July 25th, 2012 at 7:16 am

    Feel bad about alex. Damn friggin shame. People will have to step their games up.

  14. Benny Blanco July 25th, 2012 at 7:18 am

    Phillies now have 3 pitchers making 20 million a year. Awesome!

  15. blake July 25th, 2012 at 7:19 am

    This is a much bjgger deal and a much bigger hole than LF was….even though Alex isnt out for thr season ….hes such a timing hitter that its tough to know what he will be able to get them when he does come back……and he was just starting to get it together…….really sucks…..I thibk they may have to look at Headley and see what it will take

  16. blake July 25th, 2012 at 7:20 am

    July 25, 2012 at 7:18 am Phillies now have 3 pitchers making 20 million a year. Awesome!

    Will they keep it that way?

  17. Willis July 25th, 2012 at 7:38 am

    So will Cashman make a big move now? How about for a catcher who
    isn’t the Managers pet??

  18. Villa Nova-Ya July 25th, 2012 at 7:43 am

    Missed last night’s game, except for one half inning. Guess which one? :(

    Poor Alex. Like blake said, it did seem like he was just beginning to get in a groove. I was looking forward to a hot August from Alex. Well, perhaps he’ll come back where he left off. It’s not likely, but it’s not impossible. But the bench is starting to thin out. It’s good there are temporary fixes that include guys that Girardi has given lots of playing time (Nix, Chavez). But clearly they need someone else. I don’t think it’s a bad idea to bring up Nunez. You know he can hit ML pitching. And it seems like when he played ONE position, he was able to be more stable in the field. But if he’s not, he can be removed. With a trade, you’re kinda stuck and you really never now how it’s going to go. With Nunez, you may not like where it may go, but you do know basically what you have.

    So Hanley’s off the table and shipped rather cheaply to the West Coast. Wow. Hope he fares better with the Dodgers and that a guy like Mattingly can have some positive influence on him. Will he be SS or 3B in LA?

    And is Cole Hamels’ deal done? He really did re-up with the Phillies? I am only a little surprised; I thought he’d hold out to try to get to the West Coast, too.

    What a morning.

    I hate West Coast road trips. This one ranks right up there among the worst. Sure hope Nova pitches well tonight and the bats decide to wake up for the day game.

  19. blake July 25th, 2012 at 7:47 am

    Wouldnt surprise me at all if Hanley immediately plays better in LA.

    The Padres will likely ask a ton for Headley…..Cashman shouldnt be desperate but he should try to make a move…..cant rely on Chavy to stay healthy for 2 months

  20. Mike Ri July 25th, 2012 at 7:50 am

    2013 3rd baseman free agents

    10.David Wright, Mets: The Mets appear destined to have a sub-.500 record this season, and trading Wright, who will turn 30 in December, for some prospects likely would the serve the team well in the long run. If there are no takers, the Mets likely will pick up his $16 million option for 2013.
    11. Kevin Youkilis, White Sox: Youk likely isn’t going anywhere. Unless his 2012 is littered with injuries and/or ineffectiveness, he should be back in White Sox in 2013 for a semi-reasonable $13 million.
    12. Mark Reynolds, Orioles: Baltimore likely won’t be in a playoff race anytime soon, so trading away this slugger to a contender makes sense. If the O’s do hang on to Reynolds, exercising the 28-year-old’s $11 million club option is at least justifiable.
    17. Edwin Encarnacion, Blue Jays: The emergence of Brett Lawrie and Jose Bautista makes Encarnacion expendable. The question will be if any other team really wants to go after him before the trade deadline.
    21. Chipper Jones, Braves: Atlanta has a $7 million club option for 2013 that vests automatically at $9 million if Jones logs 123 games in 2012.
    31. Placido Polanco, Phillies: It’s possible that he’ll stay with Philly as a 37-year-old in 2013, but it’s more likely the Phils will pass on his $5.5 million mutual option and take the $1 million buyout.
    32. Scott Rolen, Reds: He’ll turn 37 in April, and his recent track record indicates he can’t be counted on to produce and stay healthy.
    34. Ty Wigginton, Phillies: The 34-year-old should stick around the majors for a couple more years, thanks to his power bat and versatility in the field. Barring a disappointing 2012, the Phils probably want to keep him as insurance for their injury-prone infield and pick up his $4 million option at the end of the year.
    43. Brandon Inge, Tigers: A $6 million club option seems like way too steep a price for a guy who is coming off a .197/.265/.283 BA/OBP/SLG season (in 2011).

  21. Mike Ri July 25th, 2012 at 7:51 am

    I posted the above as possible rentals…. obv. some on the list are hands off.

  22. Villa Nova-Ya July 25th, 2012 at 7:52 am

    blake -

    Chavy has done a great job this season, but he is a guy who needs regular rest and shouldn’t be pressed upon to play everyday. But I don’t see a trade for a formidable guy like Headley. It would cost too much and then what?

    I’d be okay with giving Nunez another opportunity. I don’t think there’s any perfect solution out there, and all the other players are going to have to step up their games. Innings like last night have got to capitalized upon. It’s never good to squander scoring opportunities, but I think this team always thinks they’ll capitalize on “the next one.” Something will have to change with their approach. It has to. Nunez is a guy who doesn’t hit homeruns, but can get that timely hit. He may be just what they need, in fact.

  23. blake July 25th, 2012 at 7:53 am

    D Wright would obviously be great but I think the Mets are going to try to sign him

  24. blake July 25th, 2012 at 7:55 am

    “But I don’t see a trade for a formidable guy like Headley. It would cost too much and then what?”

    Hes under contract for next year as well…..you could DH Alex more next year or flip Headley in the winter for something else…..like an outfielder …..really just depends on price.

  25. austinmac July 25th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    I had just said aloud AROD is starting to look good at the plate and two AT&T bats later, this. Then, I woke up thinking of Hanley. No,on that. I think Laird is it. They won’t compete with everyone for Headley.

  26. blake July 25th, 2012 at 7:58 am

    Headley could probably play RF also.

  27. Villa Nova-Ya July 25th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    Mike Ri -

    Thanks for that rundown. Had no real idea of what could be out there. True, there are some that won’t/can’t happen.

    David Wright is intriguing, though. With an eye toward A-Rod as a more full-time DH next season, but I don’t see that happening yet.

    Unfortunate that Encarnacion is in the division. Toronto wouldn’t do a deal with the Yankees, probably. Or if they did it would cost way too much. Is Toronto considering itself out of the WC?

    Wigginton aways looks tempting.

    Isn’t Inge on the A’s? Didn’t he just help to win a game against our team? And the A’s are in the WC mix all of a sudden.

  28. blake July 25th, 2012 at 8:01 am

    The Marlins are so dumb the Yankees really should try to get Giancarlo and Josh Johnson.

  29. Yankee Trader July 25th, 2012 at 8:04 am

    Everyone up early. Good morning.-

    Encarnacion signed an extension a few weeks ago and is the Blue Jays DH.

    Omar Infante would have been a good choice, but he was picked up by the Tigers yesterday.

    Polanco? Laird? It will probably be Ramiro Pena now, while Cashman is working the phones.

    Is Hamels definitely staying?

  30. Villa Nova-Ya July 25th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    blake -

    It seems like the Marlins do this all the time, don’t they?

  31. blake July 25th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    “It seems like the Marlins do this all the time, don’t they?”

    Yea they have no direction…..just signed a bunch of guys this winter to try and fill that stadium….now they are blowing it all up……

  32. austinmac July 25th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    Too bad Hanley was traded already. I would love to get Headley, but the Yankees will try to survive. It will add another black hole in the order, especially when a lefty pitches. I am also concerned with Chavez ability to stay healthy. What has it been five years or more since he made in through a season?

  33. austinmac July 25th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    YT,

    Please no Pena. I can outhit him. Laird has been hitting well lately although it very much remains to be seen if he can hit MLB pitching. We know Pena can’t.

  34. Yankee Trader July 25th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    Blake and Crew-

    This might answer the question about AAV calculation if a player is traded. If this is true, it looks like if the player is traded it is still calculated based on the entire contract, not the years left on the contract for the team acquiring the player.

    “For luxury-tax purposes multi-year contracts are computed by AAV. That is one attraction to the Yankees, for example, of considering outfielders such as Arizona’s Justin Upton ($8.5 million AAV) or Colorado’s Carlos Gonzalez ($11.4 million).”

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z21dSQCtPZ

  35. 86w183 July 25th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Good morning gang —–

    Horrible night for the Yanks…losing another game and losing A-Rod.

    Logic says it’ll be Pena (w/Nix platooning at 3B) or Nunez, but would be interesting to see a significant move.

    Polanco might make a lot of sense in terms of cost and his history against LHP. Remember it’s a 6-week injury not a season ender.

  36. randy l. July 25th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    “In the 3rd inning twice Seattle went from 1st to 3rd on Ichiro and twice they should have been out. Ichiro made strong velocity throws, but he took forever to get rid of the ball both times…
    This was very alarming to me as I am big on getting rid of the ball quickly. There is a reason why a catcher doesn’t take longer to throw the ball down to 2nd base even if he would get a more accurate and more powerful throw; it is because he can’t give the runner another step. The same applies to an OF’r, but it isn’t as critical because it is a longer throw. Either way, his overall throw is not that good and in fact was not good yesterday and clearly was not effective”

    genius maker-

    i saw the hesitation with ichiro’s throw, and i also agree with the catching comparison. some catcher’s have rifles for arms but can’t throw out runners because they take to long to get rid of the ball. i once threw out a dozen runners in a double header in a semi pro league when the other manager couldn’t believe i could throw out runners with my thurman munson like semi sidearm release that created a slight tailing action. but i focused on a quick release above all else . it wasn’t pretty , but the ball got to second base quickly.

    on a humorous note, a runner in the second game while on second base was given the steal sign by the manager who was coaching at third base. i had thrown out like 10 in a row at that point and the baserunner shook his head no at the manager. the manager called time and had he and the runner had a big argument out there. best compliment i ever got from an opposing player.

  37. 86w183 July 25th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    YT —

    That’s what I’ve been saying all along regarding AAV. Thanx

  38. Yankee Trader July 25th, 2012 at 8:17 am

    The Marlins gave the Dodgers Ramirez and Choate for basically nothing-just a salary dump. I’m surprised other teams weren’t in on that too. I’ll have to look up their contracts.

    Looks like the Dodgers will also get Dempster. That Hamels resigning is not official, is it?

    Greinke pitched well last night. Takes the Brewer money or traded?

    Pena would only be an immediate call-up until Cashman snags someone thru trade.

  39. Bret The Hitman July 25th, 2012 at 8:18 am

    This might be a blessing in disguise for the roster if Cashman is forced to trade for Headley. There’s not much difference in production between Arod and Headley right now at this point in Alex’s career. Headley may blossom in the lineup and playing in YS versus the Grand Canyon of Petco. Headley fits 2012 and he’s locked up through 2014 cheaply. He can play 3b next year if they want to move Arod to DH more often. He can play LF in place of Gardner who seems to be fragile or he can just play RF in the absence of Swisher.

  40. Villa Nova-Ya July 25th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    Well, what it does immediately, or can do, is result is a slight shuffling of the order, which could help, too. At least short-term. Also, whoever replaces ARod right now is likely not going to be seen as a HR possibility, so perhaps a little different approach to their style of play?

  41. Villa Nova-Ya July 25th, 2012 at 8:22 am

    Bret -

    I guess if they see Headley fitting in longer term, they might be willing to pay; but I doubt it. I think the Yankees don’t like to make those kinds of moves in-season.

  42. blake July 25th, 2012 at 8:23 am

    Trader,

    Yea Sherman has written that in two articles….but I never have seen confirmation that he’s right or if that’s correct. If it is then it’s all the more reason to aggressively pursue Upton in the offseason as the AAV on his entire deal is like 8.6 million or something……..

    I think the Yankees needed another bat anyway…..now they really do

  43. Yankee Trader July 25th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    Blake-

    It won’t be Headley[too costly in prospects] or any expensive contract that runs thru 2014 and beyond.
    The article from the NY Post, by Sherman that I just attached above when citing the AAV is a good read when anyone has the time. It also talks about issues based on the new CBA and how the Yankees will look to plug holes with players with expiring contracts at the end of next season.

    I’m posting it again:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....XoQQF32J/0

  44. blake July 25th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    If the Yankees think Headley could play RF next year and 3B some then all the sudden he makes more sense….he could fill in at 3B this year and play there a lot next year giving Alex a lot of DH time and then rotate in the outfield as well.

    Headley doesn’t have much of a platoon split this year but does have a pretty big home/road split because of Petco…..he should be right in his prime years. Not a star player….but a good player that could improve and get a bump away from YS.

    Just depends on asking price…..

  45. pat July 25th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    Joel Sherman “conjecturing”- would the Reds be willing to salary dump Rolen to the Yankees to platoon with Chavez at 3B?

  46. blake July 25th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    Trader,

    if the AAV even when players are traded is still calculated on the overall contract then the Yankees should go after either Upton or CarGo…..they really should.

    We don’t really know the price on Headley…..Bluster just keeps saying it’s high….we don’t know what that means really.

  47. blake July 25th, 2012 at 8:30 am

    Buster OlneyVerified
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    The Cole Hamels agreement with the Phillies is for a little more than $140 million, over six years, pending a physical.

    is having 70 million dollars in 3 pitchers wise? I think they’ll try to move Lee

  48. Yankee Trader July 25th, 2012 at 8:30 am

    Blake-

    I just saw your response. I don’t think J. Upton will be available in the offseason, unless Towers feels the Diamondbacks recent 5 game winning streak will get them a chance for the playoffs?

    Have to make some calls. Will be back soon.

  49. austinmac July 25th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    The Sherman article again confirmed the bad news. All decisions are made with 2014 in mind. That means no players with high priced contracts extending into that year. Cashamn will, as he is forced to do, sign older players to short term, low cost contracts. Doesn’t that sound great?

  50. blake July 25th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    I’d probably consider moving Ichiro up and getting Granderson in the 4 or 5 hole with Alex out.

    Jeter
    Ichiro
    Cano
    Tex
    Granderson

  51. randy l. July 25th, 2012 at 8:32 am

    i don’t like alex as a yankee in the first place . i can’t wait until his contract is over.

    yes he has some decent stats, but i don’t like the way he influences a team. i don’t think the yankees win with him as much as win despite him.

    so i think the yankees will do just fine without him. it’s not like losing jeter after all.

  52. blake July 25th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN
    With Cole Hamels off the board, TEX effort to add an elite starter down to this: Josh Johnson pursuit; ask on Cliff Lee; maybe Greinke

  53. blake July 25th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN
    Depending on how the Hamels contract is structured, PHI now has about $95 million committed to four players –Howard, Lee, Halladay, Hamels.

  54. blake July 25th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    Randy,

    no 2009 WS without Alex…..probably no playoffs a couple of other years as well…..

  55. blake July 25th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN
    With A-Rod down, there are a lot of reasons why NYY pursuit of Chase Headley could make sense. Could be part of 1B/3B/DH mix going forward.

  56. 86w183 July 25th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    Hanley Ramirez has $ 31.5 coming the next two years. That’s a good deal if he’s at his absolute best on the field and in the clubhouse.

    However for the malcontent malingerer he’s been the last two seasons that’s a ton of $$$$.

    Rolen has more than $ 3 M still to come this year and is hitting .210. No thanx

  57. blake July 25th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1
    Obviously wasn’t what used be, but A-Rod (.806) still had 3d-best OPS among AL 3B (behind Beltre, Miggy). Not easy to replace, shows (cont)

  58. blake July 25th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    Hanley’s AAV is only 11.6 thought…..which is all the Yankees care about.

  59. blake July 25th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    The Dodgers and Rangers are upset with the Hamels news I’m sure…..I would think Philly will have to try and move one of their big contracts…..may shop Lee.

  60. 86w183 July 25th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    What are the chances the Phillies move Doc Halladay? Three pitchers costing almost $ 75 M is almost too much for even the Yankees to cope with.

  61. Against All Odds July 25th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    but i don’t like the way he influences a team.

    ———————–

    Influence the team in what way?

  62. Bret The Hitman July 25th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    The Yankees should think about turning Swisher into Headley through a third party team like the Pirates.

  63. blake July 25th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    If I’m the Phillies I off Lee to the Rangers for Olt and Perez…..you save a lot of money and get younger at the same time. The Rangers would give up prospects …..but would get Lee for shorter term and less total dollars than they offered him 2 years ago…..especially if Philly kicked in some cash.

  64. blake July 25th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    “The Yankees should think about turning Swisher into Headley through a third party team like the Pirates.”

    Swisher + Headley makes them better……Headley in place of Swisher makes them the same or marginally better.

  65. Bret The Hitman July 25th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    blake July 25th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN

    With A-Rod down, there are a lot of reasons why NYY pursuit of Chase Headley could make sense. Could be part of 1B/3B/DH mix going forward.

    ********

    There we go. The Yankees should have been after him regardless of Arod’s injury.

  66. randy l. July 25th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    “no 2009 WS without Alex…..probably no playoffs a couple of other years as well…..”

    maybe, but then maybe in an alternate reality they would have won in 2010 and 2011 with all the other players they would have had without his albatross of a contract hanging around their necks.

  67. Bret The Hitman July 25th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    Blake,

    Would you rather lose Swisher or the prospects for Headley? I’d rather keep the prospects. SD will want alot.

  68. blake July 25th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    I don’t think they’d move Halladay….he will be a FA after next year anyway and his stock is down because of the injury most likely. Lee is the big money they’d like to move I would guess…..

  69. Bronx Jeers July 25th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    See Gardner, B. if you want an example of an OF that gets the job done with a quick release.

    This West coast trip has really sucked.

  70. blake July 25th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    “Would you rather lose Swisher or the prospects for Headley? I’d rather keep the prospects. SD will want alot.”

    Swisher….but the Yankees aren’t going to do anything to lower their chances this year….and the Padres wouldn’t want Swisher…..and whichever 3rd team you’re involving would likely rather have Headley for themselves than to rent Swisher for 3 months.

  71. Bret The Hitman July 25th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    And the Yankees will lose Swisher anyways.

  72. blake July 25th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    “maybe, but then maybe in an alternate reality they would have won in 2010 and 2011 with all the other players they would have had without his albatross of a contract hanging around their necks.”

    that’s hard to figure…..

  73. Keith--PA....no longer FL July 25th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    This ARod injury means he will be rusty for the playoffs and not have his timing down and yet Girardi and Cashman will bat him 3rd or 4th in ALDS vs. Tigers and he will strike out to end the series again….this team needs an offensive shake-up bad…need some .300 hitters with less HR’s…trade Granderson, let Swisher go….sign Melky…outfield next year of Melky in LF, Gardner in center, and Ichiro on 1 year contract in RF is a start….

  74. randy l. July 25th, 2012 at 8:44 am

    blake-

    if the yankees didn’t have alex they would have had a different set of players. there’s no telling what would have happened. but it’s interesting to speculate.

    i personally don’t consider him a yankee. he should have been the great player they beat up on other teams.

    but it is what it is. they are stuck with him.

  75. 86w183 July 25th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    There’s no way in hell to know how Alex will be swinging the bat in September/October, none.

    They are NOT moving Swisher now, that makes no sense whatsoever.

    A stopgap move at 3B is most likely what we’ll see, though a deal for Headley would be nice it’ll come at significant cost. something like Hughes/Nova and Mason Williams

  76. randy l. July 25th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    “that’s hard to figure…..”

    precisely .

    a better way to put it is i don’t enjoy watching the guy. i have zero interest in him as a player.

    if you like watching him, i can’t argue with that. in the end it’s a preference.

  77. Shame Spencer July 25th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Motherf*ck.

    Now I’m going to lose that ‘Arod will play 100 games at 3B’ bet.

  78. austinmac July 25th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Halladay has lost something this year with his stuff. He is a risky guy going forward.

  79. Bronx Jeers July 25th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Fallacy of the pre-determined outcome strikes again.

    I kinda like saying that. :wink:

  80. Against All Odds July 25th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    don’t consider him a yankee

    ——————-

    Not this again

  81. randy l. July 25th, 2012 at 8:51 am

    my hope is that the yankees somehow pry youkillis from the white sox just to watch trisha’s head explode as she tries to root for him as a yankee.

  82. austinmac July 25th, 2012 at 8:51 am

    Someone from SWB will man third. Bet on it. They will hope to stay in first with him gone.

    Logan is not pitching well lately. Newsday had an article behind it’s wall about Feliciano making progress. Did anyone read what that said. No. I am not suggesting he replace Logan.

  83. blake July 25th, 2012 at 8:51 am

    “if the yankees didn’t have alex they would have had a different set of players. there’s no telling what would have happened. but it’s interesting to speculate.”

    for Alex’s first contract I don’t think there is any way they would have been able to match his production…..through 2009 he was their best player. He’s been injured and is declining now so yea maybe now they could have gotten more value with his 30 million elsewhere…..but it’s not worth thinking about at this point….it is what it is…..

  84. randy l. July 25th, 2012 at 8:52 am

    “Fallacy of the pre-determined outcome strikes again.

    I kinda like saying that.”

    it does sound kind of smart.

    kind of rolls off the tongue.

  85. Yankee Trader July 25th, 2012 at 8:53 am

    Look at the Phillies pitchers NT clauses. I believe Lee has a NT to 21 teams.

    Blake-If JU is healthy, he and his contract make a lot of sense for the Yankees, IF, it doesn’t have to be restructered.

    Probably Towers will be getting a call from Cashman and the player that get’s traded to the Yankees will be…………………………………..Willie Bloomquist! :)

  86. Villa Nova-Ya July 25th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    randy l -

    Now THAT is funny! (your 8:51 post)

  87. randy l. July 25th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    “Motherf*ck.

    Now I’m going to lose that ‘Arod will play 100 games at 3B’ bet.”

    shame spencer-

    you should hedge your bets to make them less painful.

  88. randy l. July 25th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    “Now THAT is funny! (your 8:51 post)”

    Villa Nova-Ya-

    ” come on you big fat ugly pukeface, knock that run in “

  89. Yankee Trader July 25th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Austinmac-

    I know you feel the same way. The bullpen needs another arm, even with Joba due back, AFTER, the TD. Too many specialty pitchers that are getting figured out. First it’s Wade, then Eppley. Logan relying on his slider. If you look closely at the bullpens performance when Wade went “south,” they have played a big part in many of the losses.

  90. Yankee Trader July 25th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    New Post————>

  91. The Genius Maker July 25th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    Randy, that is a funny story and that is a great compliment when you create all those outs for your team. Quick release and getting the ball to the right spot as quickly as possible is what matters. Swish doesn’t have a good arm, but he does get rid of the ball quickly so his overall throw is decent.

    I had a game like that against UIC (Illinois Chicago), they were 3rd in the nation in steals. This was a tourney to get into the NCAA one and I had thrown out 5 guys in a 3-2 game (I had knocked in 2 runs) in the last inning. They had 1st and 3rd with 2 outs and sent the guy from first, I threw through and we tagged the guy out to end the game…that is the first time I had a line of scouts.

    http://stevewigdor.blogspot.com/

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