Yankees postgame: Grandy messes up for a change
Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Jul 28, 2012 
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Curtis Granderson has played a wonderful center field for the Yankees, but he had a bad moment in the ninth and it cost the Yankees this game against the Red Sox.
It was 6-6 with Jacoby Ellsbury on first and one out in the ninth when Pedro Ciriaco hit the drive to center.
“I thought (Ciriaco) was good and we were lucky,” Bobby Valentine said.
Because Granderson broke in, then drifted back, got twisted around and missed in his reach for the ball.
“We haven’t seen much of that, him getting turned around like that,” Joe Girardi said.
Ellsbury scored and Ciriaco ended up on third. Then he scored on Dustin Pedroia’s sacrifice fly.
“You’re going to make some mistakes out there,” Granderson said. “I didn’t get the best read on it. … I just didn’t think it was hit that hard.”
CC Sabathia really didn’t help the cause, either, allowing six runs and eight hits over six innings.
“It’s tough … not being able to get out there and pitch the way you want, especially against a team in your division,” Sabathia said.
Nick Swisher struck out as a pinch hitter in the ninth after failing to start for the seventh straight game because of that strained hip flexor. Swisher wants back in Sunday night in the series finale.
“I think to be able to pinch hit after sitting on the bench for three hours, you’d be able to DH at least,” Swisher said. “We’ll come back here tomorrow and see what they say.
“I’ve been penned up for a while. I’m ready to go.”
Ichiro Suzuki has hit in all five games as a Yankee. Robinson Cano had his 13-game hitting streak against Boston snapped.
I’ll have more on Mark Teixeira’s homer off Vicente Padilla in our 9 a.m. posting.
Sunday night’s pitching matchup pits Hiroki Kuroda and Felix Doubront.
Grandy messes up “for a change”??? He has played a “wonderful” center field???
Uh, wrong. He’s been below average defensively pretty much his entire Yankee career. He routinely gets bad jumps/poor reads on fly balls and tonight was just another example. He also has a mediocre arm. Gardner, when healthy, is a much better option in CF, but the Yanks would never do it cuz Grandy is a “star”
igotid88 July 28th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
If the Pirates go far this year. I would like to take credit.
http://www.abrahamesparza.com/.....burgh.html
The Rangers have scored 68 runs this month. The fewest in the majors
It was a tough game to lose after the comeback, but stuff happens. It’s a long season.
I still think they need another bat.
MLBTR says they are after Rafael Betancourt. Certainly an upgrade over Qualls or Eppley.
UnKnown July 29th, 2012 at 12:07 am
Hey just scrolling throw some comments from today. Interesting to say the least.
Trixie nice of you to be thinking of me when I am not even around:
“My latest stalker, Unknown, took a shot at me for calling out Johnny.Rocket. after I thought he had left the forum, querying why posters who hate trolls seem to encourage them back – something like that. I agreed it wasn’t smart on my part (certainly not enough to satisfy Unknown), and this was JAP’s response to Unknown.”
Waaaaaaaahhhh!! Cry me a river. Calling you out on your idiotic posts is not “stalking” and you know that. But you of course always got to go for the big wow factor when posting and over exaggerate everything. What a drama queen.
Besides you’re the one who is taking shots at me when I am not even around to defend myself so you get no sympathy from me. Who is stalking who. You should be embarrassed, but of course your to dumb to even realize what your doing.
As far as personal attacks, you’re constantly calling me spanky, d**kward, stalker, etc.
Bottom line is you love to get into it with people on here. You absolutely thrive on it and if nobody responded to you negatively then you would leave and not come around here at all.
Hmmm.. I think I just accurately described a TROLL. You’re the biggest troll on here. So “STALK” that up your butt and blow it out your loud mouth.
Please talk behind my back some more its so so you. I wouldn’t expect anything else.
Nick in SF July 28th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
For those of you watching the game on TV, is there visual confirmation that Tex’s homer stayed fair?
I only have Sterling’s call so far.
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Pretty funny, Nick.
I’m now back at home, but heard the Grandy non-HR call in a cab (listening to game on BATS app). Anyway, I yell with excitement and then hear Sterling bumble and stumble around trying to negate the HR call. He then wastes our time spewing out his lame excuses! He’s just like Girardi — incapable of admitting he was flat-out wrong.
FIRE HIM. He’s so unworthy of the Yankees.
I have jsut completed reading Pinstripe Empire. I hope others embrace the experience.
Well time to watch today’s game back on DVR. From what I have read about it the game was very entertaining. Unfortunate 9th inning, but I am looking forward to winning the series tomorrow night.
Crazy busy weekend for me so Lohud is on the back burner. Take it easy people.
Sterling said they have a terrible angle where they are stationed. Well than don’t make the call! That’s like a batter taking back a swinging strike on a side armed guy: “Oh sorry, the angle was weird, re-do!”
Cc gave up 6 runs at home, to AAAA red sux.
Nuff said, he is not an ace at this moment.
He is the cause Yankees lost this game, not grandy.
Soriano started everything by walking Ellsbury. Does anyone know if he was actually throwing in the pen, or did he get up late after the Tex HR?
Morning.
White Sox got Liriano.
Morning MTU. Kenny Williams prerry much always goes for it if the White Sox have any kind of a chance…..its one reason their farm system is so terrible……Liriano may help them short term though…
Didnt get to see the game yeterday but sounds like CC didnt have it…..hes got somewhat of a Red Sox buggaboo the last couple of years….hopefully that will pass.
I do hope Cashman makes a play for Headley if the price isnt outrageous …..the needed another bat even before Alex gut hurt and with the nature of his injury its tough to know how productive he will be when he gets back…..plus Headley can help in the future as well.
Good morning Blake.
I think a few more moves might be coming.
Cashman is in no hurry and he’s looking for bargains IMO.
Whatever happened to Lester ? Right now he just sucks.
I think he needs to get out of Boston.
Blake-
I don’t think Headley is a very good 3B. Maybe a better OF’er ?
Our OF is going to change in the OS.
I’d rather go after a guy like Gordon.
How good is Phelps.
They could always flip Headley for Upton this winter too
“I don’t think Headley is a very good 3B. Maybe a better OF’er ?”
Nah its actually the opposite ….hes a very good 3rd baseman and a so so outfielder
Blake-
What would the Pads want for CH ?
Phelps is really good…..my guess is Cash has fielded a call or two about him.
Yankees seem to be sniffing around Betancourt.
MTU,
Thats the question …..I really dont know…..they have said they want a Matt Latos like package and I dont think thats happening…..the report last night of them threatening to keep him might suggest thats not out there as well….
They have a replacement ready to go and his value will probably never be higher so I do think theyll move him…..would Phelps, Betances, Nunez do it? Would the Yanks do that or something similar? I dont know……
Blake-
I’m not letting go of Phelps easily.
In some ways I’d be quicker to listen on Hughes.
Blake-
I wouldn’t trade Phelps for Headley. Not a chance.
For Gordon yes.
I like Phelps a lot but Id consider him for Headley if that was the main piece……hes looked great in his relief time but hes pretty unproven as a big league starter and hes 25 years old already ……I just dont know what the Yanks plan for him is…..would they ever actually put him in the rotation and give him a real shot? Youre not getting a controllable position player like Headley for free…..and youre not getting him with B lister prospects either……
Phelps has more control than Hughes but Hughes is past the injury stuff I believe and is rounding in to a pretty good starting pitcher…..Im leaning more and more towards trying to get him signed to an affordable extension this winter……Id still trade him in the right deal…..but Id have to get a lot back…..
Blake-
Phelps is gonna get a shot to crack the Rotation next season.
And IMO you are greatly under rating him.
He has everything it takes to be a solid starter.
Headley isn’t any great shakes.
His lifetime BA is in the .260′s and he has never hit more than 11-12 dingers.
If you want to move DP try for a guy like Gordon.
Blake-
Hughes is improving but he’s still way too homer prone.
I’m not convinced by his CU. To me he still uses it like a token pitch.
He needs something to be able to induce more GB’s.
I’m not sure he is the type of guy for NYS.
Until he shows me that he can throw any of his pitches in any count and can pitch backwards if necessary I’m not all that impressed.
When he loses his FB he’s still pretty helpless.
Compare that w a guy like Nova for instance.
MTU,
Nah i like Phelps…..I was.comparing him to IPK last year when most folks didnt even know who he was…..Im jusg saying that Id consider moving him for a good and controlled position player because I think the Yanks have pitching depth and because I do think Phelps’s upside is somewhat limited……
I think he can be a solid big league starter for a long time yes…….but dont think hes got front of the rotation stuff even after the jump this year….some of that is because hes getting a late start as well…..hes controlled for 6 years…..but he will be 30 years old in 5.
I dont see it as a slap at Phelps if you dealt him for Headley…..who is a pretty good big leaguer….who still has upside. JMO as always.
I was hoping Banuelos would get a shot at the Rotation next season but he didn’t stay healthy and get the required innings.
That pushed him back at least a half year if not more.
It’s a shame these youngsters have so much trouble staying healthy.
Campos has been a washout this season too.
Headley has a 3.7 WAR this year so far…..that would be 2nd best on the Yankees for position players.
Blake-
I agree that Phelps may not be a front of the Ro starter but he certainly looks like he could be a very good middle of the Ro type guy.
Young guys like that are still very valuable IMO.
His cieling is higher than I think you think it is.
His stuff moves all over the place in addition to being very respectable.
And best of all he seems to know how to pitch and commands it extremely well.
He’s a different guy out there right now. Not the fringe prospect he was projected to be.
I guess we can agree to disagree on this one and just let Mr. Phelps do the talkin’.
Blake-
You know a lot more about sats than I’ll ever dream of but for my money I’d much rather get a guy like Gordon than Headley.
Especially if you’re talking about giving up guys like Phelps.
Good morning MTU and Blake-
What’s so special about Headley. If J. Upton is still available and the price in prospects were the same which one would you want
MTU,
Im not so much disagreeing with you on Phelps the player as what I think would be best for the Yanks now and moving forward……I think Headley would help them more for 2012 and also give them more value and flexibility moving forward……basically I think they need a Headley more than a Phelps…..doesnt mean I dont like Phelps….its just how I see their current needs
How are you by the way?
I’m with MTU on keeping Phelps. The Yankees can’t afford to give him up now as they have no-one else who can step into a starting position if needed.
Blake-
I understand and accept your POV as always.
Mine is bit different though. I place a very high value on cost controlled young pitching.
Especially potentially good ones.
I think we can do better than Headley for the price. That’s my take.
I’m fine. Been really obsessed w my photography lately.
Also have had some ongoing Family health issues to deal with.
I guess your little boy is fine now ?
Do yourself a favor and get out this way someday. You won’t regret it
Johnny Rebel.
Have either of you heard from GB7?
“What’s so special about Headley. If J. Upton is still available and the price in prospects were the same which one would you want”
Upton of course but he would cost more and hes apparently not available now…..Headley is versatile, prime aged, switch hitter, and has great nunbers away from the airport that is Petco…..pkus hes cheap and controlled til after 2014…..
As I said earlier you could even use Headley this winter to try and get Upton if you wanted.
Good morning YT.
If you agree with me then I must be on the wrong track.
Yes both kids are healthy and driving me nuts again ….so everything is good
YT-
I haven’t.
I hope he’s OK ?
I got a feeling he’s had to pay another visit to nurse Wratchett.
YT-
But the optimistic POV is that he is just tired of the BS that sometimes fills this place up and is talking a Blogcation.
MTU-
Remember Tom thinks you and I are the same person!
Blake-Who would fill Phelps spot in the rotation if another starter goes down before Pettitte is ready? Warren? Ramon Ortiz?
MTU-
He paid her a visit about a month ago. I miss his Don Rickles POV!
YT-
If we are you’re the good me.
What happens if Chavez goes down on August 1 and misses the rest of the year?
I doubt it would cost them the division but as I said earlier Im of thr opinion they needed another bat even before Alex got hurt…..and Ill admit Im not all that certain what Akex will be when he comes back…..hand injuries are tricky and he may not have enough time to find his groove before the playoffs start……
“Blake-Who would fill Phelps spot in the rotation if another starter goes down before Pettitte is ready? Warren? Ramon Ortiz?”
Yea or grab a journeyman guy to start the 5th day…..you only need 4 in the postseason.
Aren’t both of you a little surprised at the little cost in prospects that exchanged hands for Greinke, Liriano, Ramirez and some of the others.
Maybe stealth Cashman will get someone at 3:59PM EST on the 31st. Isn’t 4:00 PM the cutoff?
YT-
I miss GB’s bad puns and reactive style.
I’m hoping he’ll show himself again soon.
That’s if he can control his passion for Wratchett ?
YT-
Hanley was a flat out giveaway.
The Halos better hope they can extend Greinke. They gave up 3 of their top 10 guys for him.
As a rental that was a really poor choice IMO.
Liriano isn’t worth much. Too inconsistent and injury prone.
“Compare that w a guy like Nova for instance.”
Hughes gives up more homers than Nova but he also allows a lot less base runners which makes up for that….I like them both.
Hughes has a 4.08 ERA and a 1.2 WHIP …..and That ERA is probably gonna dip below 4 if he continues to pitch like he has …..pretty valuable guy that can do that at 26 in the AL east.
Anyone hear how Adams is doing at 3B ?
Does he have the arm and quickness needed ?
The guy can hit.
Blake-
You are a lot more into the #’s than I am apparently.
If you watch the 2 of them pitch regularly I think you see a big difference even though the #’s may not speak to that.
I like Hughes but I think Nova is better in almost every way.
If I had to trade one it would be Hughes w/o even blinking.
I’m fine if they keep them both though.
“Aren’t both of you a little surprised at the little cost in prospects that exchanged hands for Greinke, Liriano, Ramirez and some of the others.”
I am a little but….especially Hanley….I think thats gonna be a huge move for the Dodgers….hes already making an impact….wonder if Cashman inquired on him for that price?
OK-
I know that Blake, based on the Angels current top 4 starters, would favor them in a 7 game series, slighty over the Yankees.
Of the current playoff possible teams based on standings right now-Yankees, Rangers, A’s, Angels, Tigers, based on current winning %, if all the teams are healthy Which team has:
Best starters?
Best bullpen?
Best 1-9?
Best defense?
Best speed?
Best at playing small ball?
Blake-
Wasn’t the Ramirez deal just before A-Rod got injured?
Forgot the White Sox in the scenario above.
“If you watch the 2 of them pitch regularly I think you see a big difference even though the #’s may not speak to that.”
I thibk they both have some warts….Hughes needs to refine his secondary stuff further and learn to pitch mkre effectively when he doesnt have his best stuff and Nova can have command/control issues…..when Nova gets the ball up he gets hammered…..he cant pitch up in the zone like Hughes can…..Nova can throw velocity wise as hard or harder than Hughes…..but his fastbal isnt as good a pitch as Hughes’s is…..he doesnt commad it as well and it doesnt have the same life throufh the zone….Nova has more secondary weapons and I love his make up……but he doesnt command the ball like Hughes does.
So aside from the numbers I lije them both a lot…..but both guys have some flaws they could improve upon…….if you could meld them together youd have a stud
“Wasn’t the Ramirez deal just before A-Rod got injured?”
Just after…..the deal went down late that same night Alex got hurt……but the Marlins and Dodgers may have already agreed before who knows.
Hanley needs to mature.
Maybe the change of scenery will help him.
He still has enormous talent and is young.
I think the Dodgers getting him for what they did is a coup.
Blake-
I agree with that analysis.
Who is more likely resolve the remaining issues and is more cost-controlled ?
See. It’s simple after all.
Best starters? Angels
Best bullpen? Yankees/Rangers
Best 1-9? Rangers
Best defense? Probably As
Best speed? Rangers maybe
Best at playing small ball? As maybe.
The Dodgers also got Randy Choate, who will now be their best lefty bullpen arm.
That’s all the news that’s fit to print for today.
Catch you guys later.
Nova has very good stuff little command. Hughes has significantlly better command, and I am growing more confident in him going forward. I would trade Nova for the right bat. Certainly for Upton and maybe for Headley. Then, I would slide Phelps in for him.
I am surprised a bit by how little it took to get Liriano. If a guy with some ability can be had for nothing, get in the game. As mentioned above, Greinke was also acquired for a less than stellar package.
“Who is more likely resolve the remaining issues and is more cost-controlled ?”
Not sure on the first…..Nova on the 2nd
Best starters? Angels
Best bullpen? Yankees/Rangers by save%
Best 1-9? Rangers by runs and BA
Best defense? White Sox by Fielding %
Best speed? per SB’s it’s Angels[79], A’s[77]
Best at playing small ball? A’s have most walk off wins, Angels have Trout.
I agree with the comments to not trade Phelps……the Yanks are in first place because they have had starting pitching depth…..I believe if they are going to win in the next few years, they have to do it with pitching to offset the decline in production that they are seeing with their expensive players.
Nova and Hughes.
Righties are hitting>.300 off both of them.
Nova gets more run support.
Nova gets more groundball outs
Both give up too many homers.
Right now I wouldn’t give up either, unless I got a pitcher in return to fill in the starting rotation, like a Liriano, who would cost peanuts, or a Greinke, who would cost a few more peanuts. Oh wait a minute, they’re gone!
I haven’t seen GB around lately. If you are reading, we hope all is well and your are too.
Someone make me feel better about the bullpen.
Fast runner on first. No-one out. It’s a one run game with the Yankees on top. Heart of the opposing teams order coming up in YS.
Which NYY reliever/relievers do you feel so confident to get 3 out, that you could leave your TV set, run down the block to the grocery store to bring home the “bacon” and turn back on the TV set to see the Yankees are now up to bat, still leading by a run?
For me if there’s a fast runner on 1st, no-one out, heart of the order coming up, it probably would only be David Robertson, although I’m not sure the runner wouldn’t steal 2nd off him.
If it’s a clean inning- then Robertson, and now Phelps.
“Someone make me feel better about the bullpen.i”
Joba and Aardsma are coming hopefully…..they might add at the deadline….and they even might could have a Betances option if he starts hitting the mitt more consistently
yankee Trader -
It’s still DRob.
I think DRob should have been brought into the game in the 9th with the tie. Especially because the Yankees had the bottom of their order up in the ninth.
Plus, “everyone knows” Soriano does much better in a “close” situation than a tie game. Heck, even Mo had his struggles in tie games against the Red Sox in the 9th or 10 inning!
I’m much more frustrated that CC didn’t have it yesterday than Soriano blowing the save; and I just feel bad that Grandy didn’t make that catch. They made a nice run to tie that game and get CC off the hook – I had really believed they would win the game after they got within 6-4.
Such is baseball.
Can’t wait for Joba to be back. Hope it doesn’t rain in NJ today so that Joba gets his chance at Waterfront Park.
Blake-
Answer the question 1st? I’m putting Joba in the rotation- he’s a stahtah!!
Yankee Trader -
Yeah, Phelps-y too. Forgot about him! I guess because long range he’s a starter.
Blake-
To answer my own question fromm earlier.
I think it much easier for Nova to correct his FB command issues than it is for Hughes to come up with excellent 2ndary stuff.
The cost issues are apparent.
Mac-
I disagree totally w the idea of moving Nova ahead of Hughes.
Hopefully they keep both.
Blake and I had long back and forth about it in this thread.
I’m not gonna repeat my arguments.
If you’re interested you can check them out.
Phelps is getting jerked around.
It’s a real credit to him that he suceeds in spite of it.
It’s one of the reasons I like him so much.
I see a lot of Novatude there.
Joba will elongate that bullpen and there won’t be as much exposure to the “mix’n'match” guys, so the bullpen should get a nice shot in the arm. They’re still good, but lately they’ve had some blips. I think Joba will help eliminate those blips.
However, I do see one caveat. A good side effect of having one less go-to guy (in terms of 7, 8, 9-men), is that Joe has been allowing Hughes and Nova to go a little longer in games and they have really responded positively. It’s forcing them to be a little more efficient; bolstering their confidence, and I swear that they both seem to get a little more oomph at around the 90-pitch mark and they get into that extra inning.
Having a 7th inning guy again might be good in some cases; maybe in most cases. And maybe as we get into the “dog days” of the season, having that 7-8-9 formula will allow Joe to keep the starters fresher for October, if the Yankees can just maintain.
MTU -
I don’t see it as jerked around, and I bet he doesn’t either. He is on an MLB club pitching important innings for this team. He is increasing his value to this team.
If Andy Pettitte hadn’t gotten injured, he’d likely still be in AAA. The parent club and winning is the primary concern.
MTU-
Wasn’t the premise-which of Hughes/Nova would you move now if the right bat came along by Tuesday-in this case it was Headley?
Unless the Yankees trade for a pitcher,preferably not a rental, they can ill afford to give up either one, because there is no-one in AAA to step in once both Phelps and Garcia are in the starting rotation, waiting for a healthy and effective Pettitte to return, hoping that the bullpen, even with Joba, doesn’t wear down.
New Post——>
See you on the other side.
I’m putting Phelps[David] in the starting rotation, and Michael, I hope still gets a few golds!
VN-
I don’t see it that way.
Perhaps, jerked around is too strong.
He’s a reliever. Then a reliever/spot starter. then he languisghed in the Pen. Then he was sent down to be strtched out. then he is turned into a reliever again.
Not exactly a consistent plan of development is it ?
I know the Yankees are all about winning in the here and now.
I am and always have been against the “all hands on deck” mentality.
I think it’s short-sighted.
That’s why they are using Phelps in the yo-yo fashion out of edpediency.
Like I said it’s a credit to him that he can handle so much change and inconsistent treatment.
As far as AP being around it would have been better for DP if he stayed stretched out and was pitching as a starter IMO.
That’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it.