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Swisher still at DH

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 30, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter SS
Curtis Granderson CF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Robinson Cano 2B
Nick Swisher DH
Raul Ibanez LF
Eric Chavez 3B
Ichiro Suzuki RF
Chris Stewart C

RHP Freddy Garcia

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165 Responses to “Swisher still at DH”

  1. Chip July 30th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    I still don’t understand this – you have a terrific leadoff guy in Ichiro and are desperately missing power in the middle of the lineup with Alex out:

    Ichiro – RF
    Jeter – SS
    Cano – 2b
    Tex – 1b
    Granderson – CF
    Swisher – DH
    Ibanez – LF
    Chavez – 3b
    Stewart – C

    Makes a whole lot more sense.

  2. Warning Track Power July 30th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    From the looks of it, I think Ichiro will get a day off on Wed vs the lefty starter.

  3. blake July 30th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    Ichiro 2012 edition isn’t really a terrific leadoff guy…..he is getting on base less than 30% of the time……but I still think he can bounce back closer to real Ichiro….we’ll see.

  4. blake July 30th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    Chase Headley Rumors: Monday
    By Tim Dierkes [July 30 at 2:40pm CST]
    With a .267/.363/.423 line that looks even better on the road, 28-year-old Padres third baseman Chase Headley has drawn interest from many teams this month. Throw in team control through 2014 and you’ve got a hot commodity, but it appears Headley may stay put for now. The latest:

    The Padres told clubs Sunday they’ll keep Headley unless the market changes dramatically, according to ESPN’s Jayson Stark. Earlier, Yahoo’s Jeff Passan wrote that the Padres expect to decide today whether to keep Headley.
    The Athletics won’t trade starting pitching prospect Dan Straily in a Headley deal, tweets Peter Gammons of MLB Network. Lightly regarded by prospect gurus prior the season, the 23-year-old is in the midst of a breakout season and is now considered a quality pitching prospect. Still, Straily did not crack top 50 prospects lists created by ESPN’s Keith Law and Baseball America this month.

  5. blake July 30th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com

  6. DaveD July 30th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    AndrewMarchand Just Filed a story to ESPN: Source: No Cliff Lee for Yanks. Should be up soon.

    That sucks

  7. blake July 30th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Hensley debuts with GCL Yankees
    By Mike Axisa
    Making his professional debut after signing a below-slot $1.2M deal due to an “abnormality” in his shoulder, first rounder Ty Hensley allowed three runs in two innings for the Rookie Level Gulf Coast League Yankees this afternoon. The first inning was rough, going double, homer, line out, strikeout, walk, walk, ground ball. Hensley allowed two singles to open the second before getting a ground ball double play (run scored) and another grounder to escape the jam. All told, he allowed the three runs on four hits and two walks in two innings.

    ESPN’s Kiley McDaniel was in attendance and clocked Hensley at 90-93 with some 95s, saying he threw three pitches (presumably fastball, curve, changeup) and was rusty with his command and delivery. After a two or three month layoff from game action, that’s understandable. The 95s are an indication that the shoulder abnormality is nothing serious, at least in theory. · (20) ·

    http://www.riveravenueblues.com

    at least he’ll get his feet wet this year.

  8. blake July 30th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Unless the Phillies would eat like half Lee’s deal and not take much back in return prospect wise then I’m glad they aren’t getting him…..he’d mess up the budget even further than it already is.

  9. Chip July 30th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    blake July 30th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    Ichiro 2012 edition isn’t really a terrific leadoff guy…..he is getting on base less than 30% of the time……but I still think he can bounce back closer to real Ichiro….we’ll see.
    ————

    Even so – it makes more sense from the standpoint of putting Granderson lower in the order in a power spot.

  10. astrocityfan July 30th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    When will ichiro get his first start in left? Has Vegas set any odds on this?

  11. Ys Guy July 30th, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    for me, the surprise isnt that the yankees are playing well, its that nobody else in the al east is playing well.

    al east vs. .500 since may 19th:
    baltimore -10 games
    tampa -5 games
    toronto -4 games
    boston +1 game
    yankees +17 games

  12. Ys Guy July 30th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    “I still don’t understand this – you have a terrific leadoff guy in Ichiro”
    ===============================
    this is flat wrong. ichiro’s obp is sub .300 lower obp than every yankee starter (including martin) plus chavez and nix, and sees the 5th lowest # of pitches per at bat in the league

    you’re thinking of a different ichiro, the one who could hit.

  13. Yanks78 July 30th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Our August schedule is pretty tough after this homestand ends

    7 game road trip to Detroit/Toronto.
    7 game home-stand vs. Texas/Boston
    7 game road trip to Chicago/Cleveland

    Play 20 straight games from this Friday through the end of the White Sox series on Aug 23rd.

    Sawx schedule pretty tough too – 6 vs. LAA, 3 vs. TEX, 3 at NY, start the month with Detroit, end it with a road trip to Oakland

  14. Chip July 30th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Ys Guy July 30th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    “I still don’t understand this – you have a terrific leadoff guy in Ichiro”
    ===============================
    this is flat wrong. ichiro’s obp is sub .300 lower obp than every yankee starter (including martin) plus chavez and nix, and sees the 5th lowest # of pitches per at bat in the league

    you’re thinking of a different ichiro, the one who could hit.
    ———————–

    Hitting in a lineup ahead of Derek Jeter and Robbie Cano is different than hitting in a lineup with the craptastic Ackley, Smoak and Montero.

    And as I said – batting Ichiro and Jeter 1 & 2 still makes sense from the standpoint of putting Granderson’s power bat and K’s lower in the lineup.

  15. kd July 30th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    went to the giants/dodgers game yesterday. hanley is an absolute coup for that team. he has kemp-like bat speed. it’s impressive.

    he really doesn’t seem to want to play 3rd base, but that he can hit

    if he gets motivated again, he may hit .325. wish the yankees could have been in on him

  16. Ys Guy July 30th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    i never got granderson in the 2 hole. it should be arod.

    alex k’s less than grandy and has less xbh and more steals than grandy or swish.

  17. Chip July 30th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    kd July 30th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    if he gets motivated again, he may hit .325. wish the yankees could have been in on him
    ———————————

    And where would the Yankees have played Alfonso Soriano…I mean Hanley?

    He’s not playing SS, not playing 3b, not playing 2b….so what – LF? Not so sure I want to take a bad defensive player and ask him to learn a position he doesn’t want to play during a playoff push.

  18. blake July 30th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    “went to the giants/dodgers game yesterday. hanley is an absolute coup for that team. he has kemp-like bat speed. it’s impressive.”

    Yea….I wonder if that deal was done already when Alex got hurt……I know that it was reported after……but it could be an absolute steal for the Dodgers…..I think hes motivated and happy again….could be huge for LA.

  19. Chip July 30th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    Ys Guy July 30th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    i never got granderson in the 2 hole. it should be arod.

    alex k’s less than grandy and has less xbh and more steals than grandy or swish.
    ——————-

    Well ok. But since Alex is hurt – then either Jeter 1 and Ichiro 2 or Ichiro 1 and Jeter 2 would make sense.

  20. Chip July 30th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    blake July 30th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    “went to the giants/dodgers game yesterday. hanley is an absolute coup for that team. he has kemp-like bat speed. it’s impressive.”

    Yea….I wonder if that deal was done already when Alex got hurt……I know that it was reported after……but it could be an absolute steal for the Dodgers…..I think hes motivated and happy again….could be huge for LA.
    ——————–

    I doubt he’s happy – I think it’s more that he’s taking it personally that he was traded and essentially called a losing player on his way out the door.

    Also, my guess is that getting around a team with real leaders like Kemp and Ethier and a manager who does his job with class and expects his players to follow suit helps a great deal.

    Putting Ozzie Guillen, Jose Reyes and Carlos Zambrano on this team with him was just asking for the debacle that it became.

  21. Chip July 30th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    So Dan Shaugnessy was on WFAN this weekend talking Red Sox and was asked about Jacoby Ellsbury.

    According to DS Ellsbury will bolt as soon as possible. He dislikes his teammates because they questioned him when he was hurt last year. Dislikes the team for the way they mishandled his injury last year and described it as a “lone ranger” mentality.

    This has nothing to do with anything – would you though consider dealing Granderson and signing Ellsbury in his place?

  22. bruceb July 30th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    Russell Martin finally looks like an MLB hitter so what does the binder do? Rest him with our worst pitcher on the mound and when we actually need some offense from the catcher position. Oh, of course, it’s day game after a night game so Martin couldn’t possibly be available.

  23. Yanks78 July 30th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    Yanks wouldn’t have paid the remaining salary, that is why the Dodgers got him so cheaply, they absorbed all of his salary

  24. Chip July 30th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    Rephrase – letting Granderson go and signing Ellsbury

  25. austinmac July 30th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    The Yankees will not take on a significant contract. Not for Lee, Upton, Garza or anyone else. That is our unpleasant reality.

  26. Yanks78 July 30th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Austin – Everyone is too rich for the Yankees these days, it seems. We’ve become the Frank McCourt Dodgers, basically.

  27. Chip July 30th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    austinmac July 30th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    The Yankees will not take on a significant contract. Not for Lee, Upton, Garza or anyone else. That is our unpleasant reality.
    ———————–

    Not during the regular season anyway – in the offseason when Cashman can make it revenue neutral for Hal I think he might.

  28. Warning Track Power July 30th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    blake July 30th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    Ichiro 2012 edition isn’t really a terrific leadoff guy…..he is getting on base less than 30% of the time……but I still think he can bounce back closer to real Ichiro….we’ll see.
    —————————————————————————————————————–
    Ichiro batting 8th or 9th on “this team” is perfect.
    Based on his performance this season, there is no reason to hit Ichiro lead-off at all.

  29. kd July 30th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    chip,

    he’s up for another contract. if he wants a big one, he’s gonna have to show he’s a top player again. could have been a good situation for him to prove his worth

    i also think he’s gonna end up in the outfield pretty soon

  30. Chip July 30th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Yanks78 July 30th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Austin – Everyone is too rich for the Yankees these days, it seems. We’ve become the Frank McCourt Dodgers, basically.
    —————————–

    Seriously? You’re complaining about the Yankees being cheap? Look at the freaken lineup!

    I’m sorry fellas, I’m as much a Yankee fan as anyone but a lineup that has 4 first ballot hall of famers, 3 additional all stars and a pitching staff like this one should be able to weather an injury or two.

  31. Ys Guy July 30th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Well ok. But since Alex is hurt – then either Jeter 1 and Ichiro 2 or Ichiro 1 and Jeter 2 would make sense.”
    =======================

    imo putting a .288 obp hitter (ichiro) in the #2 hole when you have swisher/grandy (.345)is a mistake.

    ichiro doesnt get on enough, or take any pitches, or take a walk when they need a baserunner and is known for not giving himself up to move runners.

  32. Chip July 30th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    and the fact is that if the Yankees do get to $189 M that would still be the highest payroll in baseball by over $10M.

  33. blake July 30th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    “And where would the Yankees have played Alfonso Soriano…I mean Hanley?”

    3B, RF…..be honest Chip have you seen him play this year or since he went to LA?

  34. Ys Guy July 30th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    ed randall asked jeff nelson about ichiro on wfan yesterday and while nellie was very complimentary overall, he prefaced it by saying something like ‘once you get past the idea that ichiro will bunt for a base hit with a runner on third and not worry about bringing the run home…’ and then went on to praise him.

  35. blake July 30th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    saw an interview Hanley did a couple of days ago….he looked very happy…and excited about a fresh start…..said he’d play wherever they wanted him to.

  36. Chip July 30th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    blake July 30th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    “And where would the Yankees have played Alfonso Soriano…I mean Hanley?”

    3B, RF…..be honest Chip have you seen him play this year or since he went to LA?
    ———————-

    Yes I’ve seen him play – my comp to Soriano is that Sori also chafed at the idea of playing other positions even though he was a butcher at 2b.

    HanRam can be a wonderful offensive player – but I’m not taking a bad defensive player and trying to teach him a completely new position (like the OF) during a playoff run.

  37. mick July 30th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    still don’t understand the reasoning behind announcing Ichiro for LF because of the expansiveness yet leaving Jones and Ibanez out there.

    shouldn’t he be getting his feet wet in LF for when Swisher returns to right?

  38. Chip July 30th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    blake July 30th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    saw an interview Hanley did a couple of days ago….he looked very happy…and excited about a fresh start…..said he’d play wherever they wanted him to.
    —————–

    All that tells me is that he has a good agent and listens to him.

  39. blake July 30th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    AAV on Hanley’s deal is only like 11 million….if he’s the Hanley from a couple of years ago again then that’s a bargain for his talent.

  40. Prete Funk Era July 30th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    All this “Yankees aren’t going after Lee” stuff makes me raise an eyebrow and think they actually will. I’m probably wrong but it reminds me of the Tex situation.

  41. Chip July 30th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    mick July 30th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    still don’t understand the reasoning behind announcing Ichiro for LF because of the expansiveness yet leaving Jones and Ibanez out there.

    shouldn’t he be getting his feet wet in LF for when Swisher returns to right?
    ———————

    Why would you play him out of position until you have to?

  42. blake July 30th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    Hanley is a lot better and more talented on both sides of the ball than Soriano ….he would have played 3B while Alex is out……my guess is the Dodgers and Marlins already had an agreement in place when Alex got hurt though.

  43. Warning Track Power July 30th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    mick July 30th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    still don’t understand the reasoning behind announcing Ichiro for LF because of the expansiveness yet leaving Jones and Ibanez out there.

    shouldn’t he be getting his feet wet in LF for when Swisher returns to right?
    —————————————————————————————————–
    One reason: Swisher is not 100% yet. Don’t believe the quotes in the paper from Swish or the team about his health.
    If Swish was 100%, he would have been in RF by now.
    2 consecutive days at the DH spot means the team is protecting him some more.

  44. blake July 30th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    anything Jeff Nelson says about any player should be taken with a grain of salt if not ignored all together.

  45. austinmac July 30th, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    Chip,

    The Yankees are not reducing their payroll by $40 million by doing anything revenue neutral. They are significantly cutting. I’ve have predicted many times that a majority of teams will be much more likely to spend significantly, including Pittsburg, Oakland, Cincinnati and on and on.

  46. mick July 30th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    Why would you play him out of position until you have to?
    ====================================
    because he will help the team in LF or so they say, as it is expansive.
    did you see jones go after that ball last night?

  47. blake July 30th, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    JIM BOWDEN ?@JimBowdenESPNxm
    Jon Daniels Rangers GM continues to tell the other 29 GM’s that Jurrickson Profar and Mike Olt are NOT getting moved in any deal

    believe him on Profar….not as much on Olt.

  48. austinmac July 30th, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    This is the second muscle pull for Swisher. The team may be concerned of this recurring. I would argue that is another reason for a bat.

  49. Chip July 30th, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    blake July 30th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    Hanley is a lot better and more talented on both sides of the ball than Soriano ….he would have played 3B while Alex is out……my guess is the Dodgers and Marlins already had an agreement in place when Alex got hurt though.
    ————————

    Come on Blake – he’s a butcher defensively – ok, maybe calling him Soriano was a bit cruel but he’s not good.

    Plus – I’ll be honest – I hate his attitude. Now, like I said about going to the Dodgers, maybe being on a team like the Yankees where they wouldn’t put up with his nonsense would turn him around – but I just do not like him. Not one bit. I think of him much like I thought of Gary Sheffield – yeah he’s got talent, but at the same time you dance a fine line with him between when he’s in a good mood, trying to fit in and prove his critics wrong to where he gets angry and blows up at everyone around him.

  50. mick July 30th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    swisher has played over 100 games in LF, Ichiro none.

  51. Chip July 30th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    austinmac July 30th, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    This is the second muscle pull for Swisher. The team may be concerned of this recurring. I would argue that is another reason for a bat.
    ——————–

    I would further argue it’s another reason to let him walk at the end of the year.

  52. blake July 30th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    chip,

    that deal in Miami is a fiasco…..Hanley has never had anybody show him how to play the game right. I don’t know anything about him but I put a lot of stock in what Jeter and Alex etc could do for some of these players that you hear are diva’s and malcontents etc…..

  53. Chip July 30th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    mick July 30th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    swisher has played over 100 games in LF, Ichiro none.
    ———————

    Yes – and the last time was 2009 when he played a grand total of 8 games out there. Nick has been a RF and RF only for the better part of 3 years – ever since Xavier Nady got hurt.

  54. austinmac July 30th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    Chip,

    No one says the Yankees don’t have a large payroll. What we do say is that is changing and it impacts every move they make. Cashman discusses it every time he opens his mouth.

    I don’t understand your confusion.

  55. Jerkface July 30th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    Considering Ichiro only has 71 bunt hits in his career, I highly doubt he has bunted with a guy on third to the point that it becomes a point of criticism. He hits .300 with runner on third 2 out and lt 2 out with plenty of sac flies.

  56. austinmac July 30th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    No one hopes I am wrong more than me, but I believe Hanley costs far more than the Yankees will take on going forward. Money is the key to all moves.

  57. Warning Track Power July 30th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    mick July 30th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    swisher has played over 100 games in LF, Ichiro none.
    ——————————————————————————————————————
    Putting Ichiro is LF at Yankee Stadium is the best best. No reason to put Ichiro in RF and move Swisher.
    Ichiro can cover a lot of ground out in LF & LCF. A lot more ground compared to Swisher.

  58. RMike July 30th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    Braves need to go and get Beckett

  59. mick July 30th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    Ichiro can cover a lot of ground out in LF & LCF.
    ==============
    then put him there and Raul Jones in RF.

  60. Chip July 30th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    blake July 30th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    chip,

    that deal in Miami is a fiasco…..Hanley has never had anybody show him how to play the game right. I don’t know anything about him but I put a lot of stock in what Jeter and Alex etc could do for some of these players that you hear are diva’s and malcontents etc…..
    ———————–

    That’s horsepoop – he had a good manager in Fredi Gonzalez who he got fired because Fredi tried to get him to play the game the right way, same thing with Edwin Rodriguez last year and he wouldn’t play hard for Jack McKeon either. They brought in Ozzie in part because they thought Ozzie would have a positive impact on him (also because they thought he would help sell tickets) He’s had Joe Girardi as a manager as a rookie, been around good guys who always work hard like Infante, Uggla, Willingham.

  61. austinmac July 30th, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    Chip, I agree Swisher will be gone. He is replaceable if they will spend a reasonable sum. They may tell us one of the AA guys will replace him.

  62. Warning Track Power July 30th, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    Kurkjian on Kay radio show right now?
    Headley will NOT be traded because Padres feel they have not been offered enough
    to warrant a trade.

  63. Chip July 30th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    austinmac July 30th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    Chip,

    No one says the Yankees don’t have a large payroll. What we do say is that is changing and it impacts every move they make. Cashman discusses it every time he opens his mouth.

    I don’t understand your confusion.
    ————————

    I’m not confused, I’m irked. This CBA is the hand that the Yankees were dealt and now they have to deal with it. For years we fans have complained when the fans of other teams accuse the Yankees of buying a championship and now Yankee fans are complaining that the Yankee payroll constriction (which still puts them at the top of the league) is making it too hard for the Yankees to add the players they need to create a championship team.

  64. mick July 30th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    Something fishy going on with Swisher.
    They say he is alright yet he can only DH.
    Would not be surprised to see him traded by tmw.

  65. Warning Track Power July 30th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    mick July 30th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    Something fishy going on with Swisher.
    They say he is alright yet he can only DH.
    Would not be surprised to see him traded by tmw.
    ——————————————————————————————————–
    Mick-Where did that come from? Talk about a conspiracy, LOL!!!!

    If Swisher was traded, then I hope someone like Headley is the player Swisher is
    traded for.

  66. Chip July 30th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    If these payroll constraints mean that the Yankees can’t get Justin Upton to play RF and have to see if Zoilo Almonte can replace Nick Swisher – so be it.

    If they mean that instead of going out and getting Cliff Lee the Yankees have to “muddle along” with a rotation of CC, Kuroda, Hughes, Nova and Garcia until Andy gets back – that’s just tough cookies.

    If they mean that with Alex out the Yankees have to use their back up players (or trade for someone else’s back up player) rather than go out and get someone like Headley – we’re just going to have to live with that too.

    But complaining about it is like complaining that the gas and insurance costs for your private jet are just out of control.

  67. mick July 30th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    This team looks bored and uninspired.
    For a minute they perked up with Ichiro but that is dying down.
    Another bolt could come soon.
    Let’s see if they wake up for Balt.

  68. austinmac July 30th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Chip,

    I like it when the Yankees win. I have never cared when people complained of the payroll. It was a semi-free market system. Now, the Yankees are unable to compete and try to win as before. That’s what irks me.

  69. Ys Guy July 30th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    “Kurkjian on Kay radio show right now?
    Headley will NOT be traded because Padres feel they have not been offered enough
    to warrant a trade.”

    …sucks when you overrate your talent….

  70. mick July 30th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    If Swisher was traded, then I hope someone like Headley is the player Swisher is
    traded for.
    —————————
    The Stealth of Cashman cannot be underestimated.
    Throw in Betances and Headley can be had…playing the OF , not sure , as he is a butcher.

  71. Jerkface July 30th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    But complaining about it is like complaining that the gas and insurance costs for your private jet are just out of control.

    What? No. The YANKEES are the ones complaining about the price of Gas while being able to easily afford it. We’re the fans that complain that the Yankees are irked about paying a marginal cost!

    You’ve also engaged in another LOHUD Fallacy, lumping in people who complain about people complaining about the Yankees buying a championship as also being the people complaining about the CBA.

    LOHUD FALLACY, CHIP.

  72. Jerkface July 30th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    we’re just going to have to live with that too.

    Was there ever even an alternative to this? I’ll do just fine ‘living with it’ and also complaining about the Yankees being miserly (if they stick to it).

  73. mick July 30th, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    Throw in Betances…
    ===========
    not phelps or banuelos.

  74. Jerkface July 30th, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    All the CBA did was add a small incentive to being under the luxury tax, nothing big changed to force the Yankees to cut money. That small change was enough of a smoke screen to let HAL increase his own profits.

    Blatant cash grab, booooo.

    And the CBA also managed to crush the draft and IFA spending, which is what makes it a horrible CBA overall.

  75. austinmac July 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    Chip,

    This blog is meant, as I understand it, is to discuss our opinions. I don’t want to re-live 1965-1976. I will continue to discuss my complaints freely. You can assume all will be well and think losing and taxes are part of life. Be my guest.

  76. mick July 30th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    whoever wants swish, wants to see him hit 1st to see how far along he is.
    no need to play him in the OF if a DH is what’s needed.

  77. Al in Houston July 30th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    Why isnt Ichiro in LF?? He was hired to play LF, he certainly can do much better
    than Jones or Ibanez…………Jones is too “cool” to go after a ball hard and
    Ibanez is too old.

    Ichiro will be in LF when Swish returns to line-up……..get him out there!

  78. mick July 30th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    …or to 1B if to the NL.

  79. Warning Track Power July 30th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    Kay reporting something very, very interesting about Bobby V right now.
    According to Kay, there are several coaches on the Sox that refuse to speak
    with Bobby V. These same coaches have apparently grown tired of his act.
    What a mess.
    I would be shocked to see Bobby back for a 2nd year.

  80. Warning Track Power July 30th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    Al in Houston July 30th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    Why isnt Ichiro in LF?? He was hired to play LF, he certainly can do much better
    than Jones or Ibanez…………Jones is too “cool” to go after a ball hard and
    Ibanez is too old.

    Ichiro will be in LF when Swish returns to line-up……..get him out there!
    ————————————————————————————————————–
    You’re out of line.
    Since when did Jones declare he was too “cool” to go after a ball in the gap.
    That is very unfair and will not be tolerated here.

  81. mick July 30th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    I would be shocked to see Bobby back for a 2nd year.
    ===========
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  82. RayVT July 30th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

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  83. mick July 30th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    sooner or later Raul Jones will pull a muscle waiting for Swisher to come back and then you will have to spend money on an OFer.

  84. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    In a game of chicken, Cashman always chickens out, that’s why he always lays a goose egg at the trade deadline.

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  85. mick July 30th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    he always lays a goose egg at the trade deadline.
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  86. Ys Guy July 30th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    dont underestimate bobby v’s ability to make things happen.

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  88. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    By the looks of his stalker, Cashman lays in the Craigslist.

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  90. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    I’m afraid he’s the one messing his pants in the foxhole, scrambles across an open field and gets peppered by friendly fire.

  91. yankee21 July 30th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    …..I’m not confused, I’m irked. This CBA is the hand that the Yankees were dealt and now they have to deal with it. For years we fans have complained when the fans of other teams accuse the Yankees of buying a championship and now Yankee fans are complaining that the Yankee payroll constriction (which still puts them at the top of the league) is making it too hard for the Yankees to add the players they need to create a championship team.
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    Chip, part of your premise is NYY was dealt a hand in which they have to deal with. Are there any indications from any reputable sources that NYY actually fought the CBA? Maybe I am living under a rock but I never heard any media reports that NYY contended with the league over the tenants of the new CBA which implies they were party to signing onto the CBA penalties as part of their best interests. That is hardly indicative of being dealt a hand in which they have to deal with. And if so, they explicitly handcuffed their ability to source the talent needed to stay at the top because of the incentives that would be triggered for staying below certain payroll thresholds. If the team’s mandate is to win championships above all else, something Cash or Joe G never fail to parrot when given the chance, then why would NYY willingly go along with a CBA that severely penalizes a team like NYY in pursuing the necessary talent toward that intended goal?

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  93. Jerkface July 30th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    One of the problems with the IFA/Draft portion of the CBA is that Jerry Reinsdorf has A LOT OF POWER and pull with all the owners and he HATES the draft/IFA spending so he is the one that pushed all the things that crippled IFA/draft and is the one pushing for an International Draft.

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  96. The Return of Stoneburner July 30th, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    Jerkface July 30th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
    One of the problems with the IFA/Draft portion of the CBA is that Jerry Reinsdorf has A LOT OF POWER and pull with all the owners and he HATES the draft/IFA spending so he is the one that pushed all the things that crippled IFA/draft and is the one pushing for an International Draft.

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  97. GregD July 30th, 2012 at 5:31 pm

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  98. Jerkface July 30th, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    Sorry but this idiot defense you’ve put up is meaningless, you are the one that is wrong. That the White Sox have signed IFA or drafted players does not mean Reinsdorf is a fan of the COST of it. That is why he pushed for hard slotting, IFA limits, and eventually an IFA draft (with hard slotting!).

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  100. Jerkface July 30th, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    “You’re going to see an international draft in the next couple years,” Reinsdorf said. “The Collective Bargaining Agreement puts a limit on international spending, except for the Japanese protocol, which is a whole separate thing, for the next couple years. Then the union and the clubs are supposed to negotiate a worldwide draft. And if that doesn’t happen, then some very draconian things happen to the amounts of money that you can sign players for.

    “There will be an international draft, except for Japan in the next couple years. The Japanese thing is different because we’re dealing with professional players. That’s subject to a treaty or protocol. Japanese players who have not signed with Japanese teams will also end up being subject to a worldwide draft. And Cubans will also unless they’re above a certain age.”

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    Reinsdorf has a lot of power, and is the leader in trying to curb salaries in the major leagues.

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