Cashman: “We’ll do nothing, most likely”
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Baseball’s trade deadline is a little more than seven hours away, and if Brian Cashman has another trick up his sleeve, he’s keeping it well hidden.
“A big day where we’ll do nothing, most likely,” he said.
Cashman said before last night’s game that he was “not at all” optimistic about making a move before today’s 4 p.m. deadline. It’s typical of Cashman to downplay his activity, but he rarely issues an absolute denial when he really has something cooking. Yesterday he sounded like a man who had already made his mid-season splash with the Ichiro trade.
“It’s gotten really quiet,” he said. “Things have just gotten quiet all of a sudden. There have been a lot of moves before (the deadline) so I’m not going to count anything out. … There are some very motivated buyers that you’ve seen, and some very reluctant sellers. It’s always difficult to agree on price regardless. I’m very comfortable that I know we’re getting our guys back from the DL. It’s just trying to maintain health, stay healthy and get healthy, and keep going with what you’ve got.”
Of course, all of this was said before Mark Teixeira’s injury. Teixeira is going for an MRI today, and it’s hard to say whether the Yankees will have those results in time to react within the trade market. It’s also unclear whether they would even be interested in reacting within the trade market, given they have some guys who could fill-in temporarily at first base. Cashman did make it very clear that he was satisfied at the other infield corner even without Alex Rodriguez.
“I’m comfortable with my current alternatives, with Chavez and Nix,” Cashman said. “They’ve both done a really nice job for us. We need Alex back, especially that power right-handed balance in the lineup. A consistent threat you can run out there, we miss that. I think in the Boston series you saw that because they threw a bunch of lefties at us. Joe’s choices aren’t as obvious as they would be if we were at full strength, trying to match up against lefty and righty starters. But I’m very comfortable with what we have. I just hope we can stay healthy there.”
Staying healthy is the key, and even if Teixeira’s injury is significant, the Yankees are clearly not planning to add significant long-term payroll. If they take on much money, the payments would have to stop short of 2014. That, Cashman said, is the reason he’s not at all in the mix for Cliff Lee.
“I’m not allowed to speak about another team’s player,” he said. “But if there was a hypothetical mythical beast that makes like $25 million a year for the next X amount of years that became hitting the market, we certainly could not participate in that type of level financial talent.”
And so, Cashman has — for now — set the stage for a quiet Yankees deadline. Things change in a hurry around here, but last night, Cashman certainly didn’t speak like a man on the verge of making a move.
“It’s possible,” he said. “But I highly doubt it.”
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Headley just makes so much sense. He can play 3b with Arod out or 1b if Tex is hobbled and rf next year if Swisher leaves and they can’t sign Melky.
Cashman has no cards.
Ichiro and done.
Well… we go to battle with what we have…..
The Yankees will not do anything. End of story. Let the other teams try to improve. We will sit tight because Hal wants more profit. Wait for the off season. It will be equally fun.
A-Rod out, Tex at the very least sore and probably his swing will be off for a bit. No guarantee they hold onto Cano after next year (Boras didnt sound like he was looking to sign an extension for Cano before his walk)…. I love Granderson, but man he strikes out WAY TOO MUCH. We need an extra bat in the middle of that lineup….
This idea of having no money is pretty frustrating.
Lower payroll? How about you lower the ticket prices then!
The only way the Yanks make a splash is if …………LEVINE steps in,,,, overrides Cashman and persuades the Steins that a particular move would benefit the Yanks on the field and in the pockets
It has been suggested by Marchand in the article on the right column the Yankees were using the lower finances to get younger. Really? Then, why are the acquisitions all old? It is not about youth. It is about low cost vets who have no market elsewhere.
Ac1, I’m with you, and furthermore I wish Hal would sell.
Ac1, I’m with you, and furthermore I wish Hal would sell.
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ONLY if it goes to someone we know will run more like George.
I would not sign Granderson long term. His high strike out rate drives me nuts too.
I wonder if Hal tried to get MLB to insert an “amnesty” clause into the CBA. Seems unfair to make certain payroll levels significantly more punitive without allowing more time to get to that number. Probably wouldn’t have been approved since only a half dozen teams are likely to be in that range.
Hope they do something today, but not counting on it.
I also would NOT sign Granderson long term.
Play out his contract and if he wants to go, life goes on.
Gardner can play CF (if he is ever healthy again), and we can find a LF in a trade or FA or the minors.
“I wonder if Hal tried to get MLB to insert an “amnesty” clause into the CBA.”
Why would Hal try, though? The new CBA was designed to castrate the Yanks and Hal has every reason to let it.
Complacency
“But if there was a hypothetical mythical beast that makes like $25 million a year for the next X amount of years that became hitting the market, we certainly could not participate in that type of level financial talent.”
Who says stuff like “hypothetical mythical beast”……Cashman needs to lay off the dungeons and dragons and get Chase Headley.
The focus needs to be Cano. Granderson is going to have to be an afterthought. Everything in the 2013 off season is going to have to be on the back burner until Cano signs….. The guy is going to FA no matter what, I just hope they are able to lock him up immediately because if it drags at all like the Jeter negotiations did our hands will end up tied until he inks a deal.
Bret-
I think the Yankees will deal for another veteran infielder. It’ll probably be someone like Willie Bloomquist!
They better hope that Tex’ injury is not like Bautista’s, that Joba is !00% and lights out and that the rest of the bullpen becomes “shutdown” again, that Pettitte comes back in time, that the Yankees learn how to manufacture a run, that the team gets healthy quickly and suffers no more injuries.
Most of all they have to hope that they can overcome the Trades their competitors already made to bolster their chances at a playoff position and advancement to the WS, which is, or at least it used to be, the Yankees goal.
Im afraid the lead the Yanks have in the standings is giving them false sense of security …..perhaps if things were tighter theyd be more motivated to improve the team…..as ling as they make the playoffs Im not really sure they care much beyond that…..
Hals mandate is cut payroll and make the playoffs….call me if we win the WS and Ill get my best scotch out and be happy.
Everybody is working on OPS results, HRs and walks. The Yankees have 8 or 9 players with double digit HRs. Hitting for high averages doesn’t pay so players are overswinging going for the gusto, first to last pitch. Winning is nice but the jam comes from the HRs.
Last year things were tight in the standings and Cashman did even LESS than Ichiro. He did nothing.
Why try? Because if you buy out Alex Rodriguez, $ 189 M becomes MUCH easier to attain.
The revenue sharing and luxury tax benefits cover the cost in 2 years.
Kinda moot at this point, obviously.
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There don’t appear to be, no. Don’t want to take on salary. @Reardon28 Any big moves for the Yankees?
welcome to the new Yankees….the ones that will run Jason Nix out there to avoid spending money
“Last year things were tight in the standings and Cashman did even LESS than Ichiro. He did nothing.”
they weren’t ever really in danger of missing the playoffs though….had a big WC lead if they missed the division…..the only way you’ll see urgency from them it seems is if they either miss the playoffs or are in danger of missing the playoffs.
Team frustrates me to no end. From the top down to the players. Teams in the AL are improving and Cashman seems to think this team is built for the playoffs. Injuries piling up and all you hear is “we’re standing pat” One and done in the playoffs with this current team.
I think one thing we can all agree on is that the Yankees business model focuses on them making the playoffs and generating revenue throughout the regular season. Deep advancement is an afterthought.
If you’re interested in what the Indians might do, here’s a link that just became available. Will someone be able to pry Choo away today?
http://www.letsgotribe.com/201.....ly-31-2012
Making the post-season should always be the goal. The Yanks have beaten better teams in the post-season and lost to inferior ones. As has been discussed here many times the post-season is a crap shoot.
That said, historically power arms do better in the cold weather so IF Nova and Hughes keep pitching as they have AND Joba returns to form the post-season pitching shaped up pretty good to me.
I just think they need a guy like Headley and maybe Jaso to upgrade depth and flexibility going forward.
Yanks are a cash cow if they are in the playoff, I think that’s the way Hal sees it. Do I really blame him for setting a budget at 189 which is probably the highest of any teams, no. what i don’t see is a cohere plan to maintain that excellence by importing young (cheap) stars by any creative/no creative means possible. but I am willing to wait and see.
If tex is out, the cheapest move they can make is to install Swish at 1b and DH Branyan.
Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2012 at 8:49 am
Headley just makes so much sense. He can play 3b with Arod out or 1b if Tex is hobbled and rf next year if Swisher leaves and they can’t sign Melky.
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And he can play LF in place of the fragile Gardner. He could blend with the DH rotation better than Ibanez ever did.
“I think one thing we can all agree on is that the Yankees business model focuses on them making the playoffs and generating revenue throughout the regular season. Deep advancement is an afterthought.”
yup….making the playoffs keeps the machine going…..I honestly don’t think they care much beyond that….or if they do they aren’t showing it. Prove me wrong today.
“I just think they need a guy like Headley and maybe Jaso to upgrade depth and flexibility going forward”
Headley and Jaso would be awesome
I would say that a 6.5 game lead that was 9.5 a few days ago would give the Yankees any security in the standings. That could dwindle real quick especially if Tex is gone for a period of time. You would think Cashman would do something considering he’s made some pretty bad moves recently. Ichiro is good, but not the answer to getting younger, more athletic
I think one thing we can all agree on is that the Yankees business model focuses on them making the playoffs and generating revenue throughout the regular season. Deep advancement is an afterthought….
However Cash and company never fail to parrot the company line, “…championships or bust” do they? Other teams act. NY cries budget.
At some point enough fans are going to say is it really worth their time to spend $200 on a ticket, beer, and a hot-dog and cough up another $40 for parking just to see Ramiro Pena and Jayson Nix in the infield and Andru taking his sweet old time Jones in the outfield.
He can play 3b with Arod out or 1b if Tex is hobbled and rf next year if Swisher leaves and they can’t sign Melky.
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or trade Headley for Justin Upton
You have the Tigers, Rangers, and Angels now pushing like crazy trying to improve nearly every year…..that makes it tough when you just stand pat or add a bench guy every deadline.
Headley and Jaso would be awesome
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headley, too expensive talent wise. Jaso, Cash and G are in love with D catchers, as Cash will tell you, Martin is hitting better of late, with his defensive ability, Yankees are lucky to have that kind of commodity in place.
Again people, the Yankees are less apt to spend money over the next few as about any team in baseball. This plan would not be so ridiculous if they had ready players in the minors. The most optimistic hope, and it is only hope, is the better minor league players could be ready in two to three years.
In Cash’s defense, he has made some good moves AND non-moves. I remember last year many calls here to pull the plug and go send 4 players to Colorado to get Jimenez. That would have been a DISASTER. He managed to unload Burnett and only have to pay a bit more than half his remaining salary….. It isnt ALL bad….. That being said, we need something in the lineup. I would like a OBP guy with a bit of power, but hell at this point i would take Soriano. Right now, we have no threat vs. lefties.
Making the playoffs in the future is far from certain. So too is the income machine that George created.
really staring to hate this team and their management. Cashman built this team that cant hit with runners in scoring position and only score when they hit HR. if we are so concerned about payroll and future with minor leaguers that are overrated than why not trade off some guys to help with future. dont get what cashman is doing. this team needs help. there OF hits a combined .250 and they have no 3B and martin is hitting .175 and all he cares about is a minor league system that is overrated. maybe they can call up some of that youth….o wait they cant because we have cust and braynon in minors. just dont get it and im not happy. im not saying go get lee but there are players that can help now but i guess as long as we win 100 games and lose in first round to a inferior team yankeeland will be happy. THEY ARE ALL LOST
Hypothetical Mythical Beast would have been a great screen name.
Why so obsessed with HEadley? Short term he plays 3rd but he is regarded as below average outfielder and his numbers outside of Petco not that good. Not worth the heavy price Padres are asking
Again people, the Yankees are less apt to spend money over the next few as about any team in baseball. This plan would not be so ridiculous if they had ready players in the minors. The most optimistic hope, and it is only hope, is the better minor league players could be ready in two to three years.
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I also do not see re-signing Cano has a certainty. I very much believe he would walk if he gets a blowaway offer from thr Dodgers after next season..
austinmac July 31st, 2012 at 9:27 am
Again people, the Yankees are less apt to spend money over the next few as about any team in baseball. This plan would not be so ridiculous if they had ready players in the minors. The most optimistic hope, and it is only hope, is the better minor league players could be ready in two to three years.
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Fans of every other team in baseball wish that their owners were as tight with the purse strings as the Yankees are.
As I said yesterday – I find it crazy that for years we Yankee fans have fought the notion that our team simply buys championships and now, a couple of injuries, a couple of question marks, and what do the fans want to do? Go out and get this guy or that guy.
Ibanez has been a terrific addition as a DH. His offense suffers when he plays too much LF.
Andruw Jones kinds looks done to me. If Tex has to go to the DL then they MUST do something significant today.
Welcome to the new CBA. Yankees have no wiggle room like their competitors. It’s too bad, because many of the trades that already went down were “steals” getting difference makers for basically nothing.
Looks like Victorino might be a Dodger today.
Angels- Dodgers WS?
As I said yesterday – I find it crazy that for years we Yankee fans have fought the notion that our team simply buys championships and now, a couple of injuries, a couple of question marks, and what do the fans want to do? Go out and get this guy or that guy.
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not talking about buying players. talking about making a smart trade.
hell some are even suggesting unloading granderson for prospects…..
chips, we do buy our championship, what’s to fight about it.
ac1 July 31st, 2012 at 9:32 am
I also do not see re-signing Cano has a certainty. I very much believe he would walk if he gets a blowaway offer from thr Dodgers after next season..
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I suppose anything’s possible – but LA has a lot of money on their books too – possibly too much to come up with that blow-away offer.
my bad, Chip
i am personally for rushing offense through the system now. Get some of our talent in A ball and move them through the system so they get here before they turn 25. The Tyler Austin’s and Mason Williams of the system…..
Chip-
There were some lesser players that could have helped the Yankees.
Omar Infante to replace Jason Nix.
Getting Reed Johnson months ago when Gardner could never get healthy.
We can thank A-Rod for a lot of this financial constraint (well, not A-Rod, but the front office that decided to give him that idiotic contract).
Along those lines, there is no way I trade for Lee. If I am the Phillies, i would be willing to trade him for little in return if a team will take his contract. It was backloaded, so they would get his best years at a below market rate and let another team pay the bloated back end to an ageing player. You always overpay in the last few years for the player you get in the earlier years, so a team should be willing to unload a player still due that overpayment.
I don’t see any team outside of perhaps Texas taking him and his contract (and even that I don’t see happening)
Ac1
I agree there. I think they should send Zolio Almonte and Melky Mesa to AAA and see what they can do. Maybe Adams too. Challenge them. See what they got
“Short term he plays 3rd but he is regarded as below average outfielder and his numbers outside of Petco not that good. Not worth the heavy price Padres are asking”
he’s got close to a 900 OPS away from Petco…..3.9 WAR player this year so far which is better than anybody on the Yankees not named Cano……and we don’t even know what the Padres are asking for him.
YT, I think CBA severely curtail Yanks ability to obtain raw talents via draft and IFA by bonusing em up… then again Bernie, Jorge and Rivera were huge bonus babies… good scouting is still where it’s at. 189 is plenty but they got 2 mythical beasts out of lineup and bunch of half mythical beasts on this team.. so.. so.
weren’t
Other than Grienke no potential “difference maker” has been moved.
Pat Maholm? Anibel Sanchez? George Kottaras?
I share the same sentiment in moving on from Granderson when the time comes for a new contract.
Sorry but this is what he is at his age and giving him a long term contract would be nuts.
Resign Cano of course
Our future rotation might have a look of CC, Pineda, Nova, Hughes, Phelps
Invest any Granderson money into a better all around bat. Granderson is not worth splashing on.
The guy is a strikeout machine bar none.
Its why the Yankees don’t even trust moving him down with Arod out, could you imagine him hitting with men on base and striking out that much.
Granderson currently leads the majors in solo HR’s, 19 of his 28 have been, while he is on pace for 200 K’s, shiver me timbers.
“We can thank A-Rod for a lot of this financial constraint (well, not A-Rod, but the front office that decided to give him that idiotic contract).”
same front office is the one that’s suddenly budget conscience. What’s going to suck is when they go to talk to Boras about Cano…..if Hal and Cash go in there talking about budgets he’ll just laugh at them….he knows what their revenues are.
We have talent in the minors…. It isn’t made up.
Agree move the Almontes and Mesa to AAA, Adams too.
Move Sanchez, Williams, Austin, etc to AA….
They either have the talent or they don’t.
Best way to get younger is to stop holding back our minor league talent until they are 25.
They were right with Montero (of course they traded him)…..
PacoDooley July 31st, 2012 at 9:40 am
We can thank A-Rod for a lot of this financial constraint (well, not A-Rod, but the front office that decided to give him that idiotic contract).
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At the time that deal was made folks spoke up about it, Yanks thought they had a clean player, who was going to challenge for the HR record, turned out not to be the case and now they are stuck with his contract as he declines.
I hope he never comes close to the HR record, just so that circus of steroid use is avoided.
so basically signing Tex, CC and then extending Arod (not to mention Burnett) was to win the WS in 2009, but hamper the team for the next 10 years? That’s what it seems to me seeing Cashman crying payroll. They made these decisions to hamper budget at the cost of the future of the team.
same front office is the one that’s suddenly budget conscience. What’s going to suck is when they go to talk to Boras about Cano…..if Hal and Cash go in there talking about budgets he’ll just laugh at them….he knows what their revenues are.
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And this WILL happen. Boras already said as much. Cano is going to laugh at anything less than Prince Fielder’s contract. 9/225 is where they have to go. If it is an extension, maybe 8/210 (15 M in 2013)…
Boras will make the any Cano signing very expensive and demand a very long contract. His re-signing is far from a sure thing. If they do, he will eat up a large percentage of the payroll reduction of almost 20 percent.
blake, that’s why when i look at the short term future reality, it’s not hard to say to yourself that the Yanks might be better off going thru couple bridging years to amass talent or to wait for minor positional talent to catch up.
so basically signing Tex, CC and then extending Arod (not to mention Burnett) was to win the WS in 2009, but hamper the team for the next 10 years? That’s what it seems to me seeing Cashman crying payroll. They made these decisions to hamper budget at the cost of the future of the team.
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In 2009 they didnt know they were going to have the new CBA…
They didnt realize they wouldn’t be spending 200M anymore…
You can’t BLAME Arod for how much he gets paid.
Here’s some math you’ll all like a lot:
Hamels = $24 million AAV
Cano = More than that.
ac1 July 31st, 2012 at 9:36 am
As I said yesterday – I find it crazy that for years we Yankee fans have fought the notion that our team simply buys championships and now, a couple of injuries, a couple of question marks, and what do the fans want to do? Go out and get this guy or that guy.
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not talking about buying players. talking about making a smart trade.
hell some are even suggesting unloading granderson for prospects…..
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Cashman’s going to make trades if they make sense. It serves no purpose though for him to turn around in an interview and say “Yeah we really need to get a 3rd baseman by the deadline” Why? Because as soon as he says that every GM will raise his price on whatever 3b Cash calls about. On the other hand saying, “I’m comfortable with where we’re out” whether he’s being honest or full of poop, gives him at least a tiny bit of leverage to say that he would walk away from a trade if it’s not reasonable.
And again – players will get through waivers. So if the Yankees don’t get Headley today that’s not to say they can’t get a 3b some time in August if they need one.
For now though, unless Tex is out for a very long time, I fully expect to see Swisher at 1b, Chavez at 3b, Ichiro in RF and Ibanez and Jones splitting the DH/LF slots. Am I thrilled with that arrangement? Of course not – but I’ll live with it if that’s what it comes to.
Per MLBTR
The Dodgers, Rangers, and Yankees are in play for Dempster, reports David Kaplan of CSNChicago.com. The Rangers and Yankees stepped up their pursuit over the last 48 hours. Furthermore, Kaplan says Dempster is willing to approve a trade to any of the three teams.
“blake, that’s why when i look at the short term future reality, it’s not hard to say to yourself that the Yanks might be better off going thru couple bridging years to amass talent or to wait for minor positional talent to catch up.”
I guess….but I think they have a championship window now….I’m not punting that in hopes that kids in A ball become great.
i guess we are the royals now only they have a future and a deep minor league system. im all for not spending money if we are in a rebuilding stage but this franchise cant go in rebuild mode. so i guess for the rest of year we will have a 3b that hits .225 and a c that hits .175 and a CF that hits .240 because he hits 30-40 hr. this franchise is lost. i think cashman is afraid of getting burned on another trade. i love grandy but would you rather have jackson and kennedy on this team right now? and montero would be a nice chip to have right now/ lets hold on to him for 2 years and trade him for a P thats not really that good in pineda. all cash talks about is how deep our young pithcing is but he trades our only true hitting prospect for what? a young p. confused as to what plan is here yanks?
Report on mlbtraderumors saying Yanks trying to get Dempster…
of course…..the offense can’t score at all and 2 of their best hitters are hurt….but lets get Ryan Dempster……
I’ve got to go, but there are a lot of reasons why the Yankees are not built right now for a deep run in the playoffs-
The new CBA
The short right porch in YS
The Shift, especially the Maddon shift with the pitchers on board who can keep the ball inside forcing these pull hitters to make outs.
Lack of Speed
Inability to manufacture runs in a close game
What is this crap about being in on Dempster again?
WE DONT NEED PITCHING!!!!!!!!
We need people who can hit, particularly with RISP.
yeah great lets get dempster because its our P fault that we cant score runs and hit with risp. maybe he can play 3b when he is not pitching. we didnt lose last 2 years in playoffs because of P.
Link
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....esday.html
unless they are trading one of their current starters for a bat….I don’t know why in the world they need Dempster…..their starting pitching has been great all year…..they need offense and they need bullpen help either with Joba or outside
I like the Yanks in on Dempster, if they don’t give up too much. The Cubs want to move him, but don’t want to do it for nothing, like a trade to the Dodgers might result in.
If the Yanks do get Dempster, is Phelps in a trade for a bat?
ac1 July 31st, 2012 at 9:45 am
We have talent in the minors…. It isn’t made up.
Agree move the Almontes and Mesa to AAA, Adams too.
Move Sanchez, Williams, Austin, etc to AA….
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Agree with the guys you want to bump to AAA – but Sanchez, Williams and Austin just got to A ball – let’s let them stay there for a while…holding players back is bad – rushing them can be worse.
“Per MLBTR
The Dodgers, Rangers, and Yankees are in play for Dempster, reports David Kaplan of CSNChicago.com. The Rangers and Yankees stepped up their pursuit over the last 48 hours. Furthermore, Kaplan says Dempster is willing to approve a trade to any of the three teams.”
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Why are the Yankees after Dempster, a starter is not their issue, they need a bat badly.
Where would Dempster even fit, are they dealing Hughes for Dempster, Phelps for Dempster, I don’t know why the Yankees would be in on him at all. SMH, I hope this is just MLBTR spouting the Yankees name for the sake of it.
“At the time that deal was made folks spoke up about it, Yanks thought they had a clean player, who was going to challenge for the HR record, turned out not to be the case and now they are stuck with his contract as he declines. ”
Like you said, folks spoke up about it though. Arod didn’t have much good will with the fans at that point even though he was coming off an incredible season. But clean or not, HR record or not, almost everyone thought that was an over the top deal. What we didn’t know was that we wouldnt be able to eat it like we did with all those other over the top deals
“If the Yanks do get Dempster, is Phelps in a trade for a bat?”
the only way it makes any sense is if they are trading a starter for a bat
I don’t get why they would be looking at Dempster unless news on Andy is worse than what’s being reported.
Also – I think Theo did great in his deal with the Braves last night. Getting two decent prospects for a 35-year old fourth OF and a pitcher they picked up after he was non-tendered is a tremendous return on investment.
sounds like Victorino is heading to the Dodgers….
Would hate to give up Phelps. Looks like the real deal, but I would in a deal for Upton
@ RadioKev July 31st, 2012 at 9:52 am
I like the Yanks in on Dempster, if they don’t give up too much. The Cubs want to move him, but don’t want to do it for nothing, like a trade to the Dodgers might result in.
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Why, Dempster is 35, what would the Yanks give up for him, I hope not Hughes or Phelps.
Dempster is a career sub .500 pitcher, what good does he do for the Yankees. Cmon folks wake up.
blake July 31st, 2012 at 9:53 am
“If the Yanks do get Dempster, is Phelps in a trade for a bat?”
the only way it makes any sense is if they are trading a starter for a bat
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Or if Andy’s injury set back is worse than what’s being reported.
damn . .Dodgers are loading up
“Also – I think Theo did great in his deal with the Braves last night”
Theo is doing a great job so far IMO….he’s blown that thing up and is getting as much young talent as he can.
It might be Dempster and Soriano and lots of $$$$. First one to step up and take them both will get the deal.
Forget Dempster. Be wary of NL pitchers coming to the AL East. Kuroda has been a happy exception, but the track record of such ptchers is not very good.
Getting Dempster gives the Yanks options to trade a pitcher for a hitter. This could make Nova, Hughes or Phelps available…..
Oh how I wish George was still around. Cashman sure would be doing something then. Running around like a blue ass fly trying to strengthen the roster with George up his butt the entire time.
“Or if Andy’s injury set back is worse than what’s being reported.”
even then….you still only need 4 starters in the playoffs…..is Dempster significantly better than Hughes, Nova, or Kuroda?
Macfan July 31st, 2012 at 9:55 am
@ RadioKev July 31st, 2012 at 9:52 am
I like the Yanks in on Dempster, if they don’t give up too much. The Cubs want to move him, but don’t want to do it for nothing, like a trade to the Dodgers might result in.
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Why, Dempster is 35, what would the Yanks give up for him, I hope not Hughes or Phelps.
Dempster is a career sub .500 pitcher, what good does he do for the Yankees. Cmon folks wake up.
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Who cares about his record? He plays on the Cubs. The guy is a rental pitching out of his mind this season. Ride the hot hand if it doesn’t cost a lot. Hughes or Phelps is probably too much.
blake July 31st, 2012 at 9:54 am
sounds like Victorino is heading to the Dodgers….
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Nice outfield they’ll have there.
trade for Choo or Headley and then trade for Dempster…
Would hate to give up Phelps. Looks like the real deal, but I would in a deal for Upton
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Only way i would want to see Phelps go is for an Upton type….
I believe he can be in our rotation for a long time, and on the cheap.
Regarding Dempster, the only way i would want this is if they include Soriano and pay lots of money for him….. We need some sort of threat from the right side of the plate.
I guess….but I think they have a championship window now….I’m not punting that in hopes that kids in A ball become great.
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nor am I, it require the Yanks to make bold moves that are unaccustomed to in the past, meaning.. trading old for young… getting guys like lawrie, or trading a lincoln for Snider… amass as many young hitter with potential which comes with inherent risks itself and keep on adding. PIck up pieces to the express intent to trade em later… all of which has been in practice for a long time.
Dempster’s ERA + is 177.
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The Braves made out OK for a run this year.
He’s way friggin better than Nova this season.
I wouldn’t trust any pitcher coming out of the NL Central.
A.J. Burnett looks like a Cy Young candidate over there now and look at him in New York.
Exactlly.
bruceb July 31st, 2012 at 9:56 am
Oh how I wish George was still around. Cashman sure would be doing something then. Running around like a blue ass fly trying to strengthen the roster with George up his butt the entire time.
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Show me the one rumor that had Ichiro coming to the Yankees. Or that had the Pineda/Montero deal.
Just because you don’t read about what Cashman’s doing, doesn’t mean he’s not doing anything.
“The Braves made out OK for a run this year.”
Yea i agree….its an ok deal….i lije it better before Vizcaino was in it though
Regarding Dempster, the only way i would want this is if they include Soriano and pay lots of money for him….. We need some sort of threat from the right side of the plate.
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Agree. That’s why I said that the first team to step up to the plate to take both, if they can get both to waive their NT rights, will get the deal done.
“RadioKev July 31st, 2012 at 9:56 am
Who cares about his record? He plays on the Cubs. The guy is a rental pitching out of his mind this season. Ride the hot hand if it doesn’t cost a lot. Hughes or Phelps is probably too much.”
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A rental pitcher in the NL Central who is a career sub .500 pitcher, coming to the AL East.
A recipe for a flop.
blake July 31st, 2012 at 10:00 am
“The Braves made out OK for a run this year.”
Yea i agree….its an ok deal….i lije it better before Vizcaino was in it though
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I don’t disagree – from Atlanta’s stand point it is an OK deal – from Chicago’s it is a great deal.
RadioKev July 31st, 2012 at 9:57 am
He’s way friggin better than Nova this season.
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I’d start Nova as my #2 in the playoffs without a second thought. *shrugs*
Dempster is having a great season…..but history says hes not this good.
With Soto going to Texas the Yankees could probably work a deal for Yorvit Torrealba if you wanted to upgrade the C spot a little. Though not sure how much of an upgrade over Stewart he would actually be.
The Yankees will always appear in every trade rumor. Whether or not they’re a truly interested party.
I seriously cannot wait until today is done.
Though not sure how much of an upgrade over Stewart he would actually be.
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Probably not much. Then again, I’m biased since whenever I think of Yorvit I think of the guy the Mets didn’t want.
Since Theo took over he has dumped Zambrano, signed Soler, got Rizzo for nothing basically, and started shedding all the junk on their roster…..hes doing exactly what he should be doing….
Macfan,
I’m sorry. You just don’t know what you’re talking about. He’s having a better season than anyone on our staff. And the NL Central is pretty good. And wins don’t matter when you play on the Cubs.
Hiroki Kuroda’s ERA+ (ERA adjusted to ballparks) is 131. Dempster’s is 177. If you can acquire that for a reasonable price, that certainly helps down the stretch. Vast improvements over Garcia and Nova, and insurance if Andy doesn’t come back/doesn’t come back as strong as he was.
Dempster has no pressure on him in Chicago to do anything.
No one gives a horse’s flea ridden behind if he wins or loses.
Bring him to New York, put the hot lights on him and make the games count for all the marbles and see what you get.
Sorry but I’m always suspect of guys in the NL when it comes to raw numbers as pitchers.
You immediately have to adjust that for the AL, much less the AL East. Time and time again we have seen it.
Lot of money owed Dempster and Soriano!
Remainder Dempster’s $14M
This is Soriano’s:
10-14:$18M annually
full no-trade clause
award bonuses: $0.25M for top vote-getter in All-Star balloting, $0.35M for World Series MVP, $0.25M for LCS MVP, $0.3M for MVP, $75,000 for Gold Glove
perks: suite on road trips, 6 premium tickets for each home game (spring training – post-season) and All Star Game (if Soriano is selected)
Soriano to donate $25,000 annually to both United Way & Cubs Care
I get that we’re fans and we like Nova, but wake up and smell the coffee. Ace he is not.
“Dempster’s is 177. If you can acquire that for a reasonable price, that certainly helps down the stretch. ”
Sure….but they need other stuff more but If hes cheap then sure…..
Shame Spencer July 31st, 2012 at 10:04 am
Though not sure how much of an upgrade over Stewart he would actually be.
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Probably not much. Then again, I’m biased since whenever I think of Yorvit I think of the guy the Mets didn’t want.
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I thought it was the other way around – he didn’t want to sign with the Mets.
If the Yanks get Dempster, which I doubt, hes getting Garcia spot. Thats an improvement. Playoff rotation will be figured out later, a lot of games to be played still
blake July 31st, 2012 at 10:05 am
Since Theo took over he has dumped Zambrano, signed Soler, got Rizzo for nothing basically, and started shedding all the junk on their roster…..hes doing exactly what he should be doing….
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Yeah he is…. it makes me a little sick.
Chip – No the Mets got him and he had a physical and they saw something they didn’t like (I think in his shoulder but I could be wrong about the body part) so they vetoed the deal.
I stay away from Sori and Dempster – again – unless the Yankees have a major deal that involves Hughes or Nova or are convinced Andy won’t be back getting Dempster makes no sense to me. As for Soriano – where would he play? LF until Ichiro moves out there? Do they keep Swisher at DH the rest of the season and play Ichiro in RF and Soriano in LF – do you put Soriano at DH? If so, that’s a crapton of money to pay a DH.
I have no problem NYY being “in on Dempster” if either it serves to ultimately increase the price on TEX to acquire him, or it serves to free up a pitcher from NYY to trade for a legitimate bat.
“RadioKev July 31st, 2012 at 10:06 am
I get that we’re fans and we like Nova, but wake up and smell the coffee. Ace he is not.”
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How long are we going to just dump our young players and not let these guys mature.
So you would be willing for a 25 year old Nova to be gone for 35 year old Dempster.
Would you rather, cheap, under control for years to come Melky and Austin Jackson or Granderson and Javy Vazquez.
Its this king of mentality that keeps the Yankees in the perpetual loop of overpriced players.
I hope Nova, Hughes, Phelps, go nowhere, even if it means we don’t win this season, so be it.
Enough is enough. Let the young players play and develop.
Wonder if we had let Melky stay and continue to develop what we would have today or Ajax.
Now we have HR or K Granderson.
RadioKev July 31st, 2012 at 10:06 am
I get that we’re fans and we like Nova, but wake up and smell the coffee. Ace he is not.
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Nova fits our budget
Shame Spencer July 31st, 2012 at 10:10 am
blake July 31st, 2012 at 10:05 am
Since Theo took over he has dumped Zambrano, signed Soler, got Rizzo for nothing basically, and started shedding all the junk on their roster…..hes doing exactly what he should be doing….
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Yeah he is…. it makes me a little sick.
Chip – No the Mets got him and he had a physical and they saw something they didn’t like (I think in his shoulder but I could be wrong about the body part) so they vetoed the deal.
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My mistake.
blake July 31st, 2012 at 10:07 am
“Dempster’s is 177. If you can acquire that for a reasonable price, that certainly helps down the stretch. ”
Sure….but they need other stuff more but If hes cheap then sure…..
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Headley would be nice, but I think it should rightly come down to cost on both sides. Headley isn’t a perfect fit because we’re still stuck with Alex, for years. Lots of prospects to cash in for that situation.
Until later. Have a great day. Stay tuned. Just maybe, Cashman will pull a rabbit out of his sleeve.
If the Yanks get Dempster, which I doubt, hes getting Garcia spot. Thats an improvement. Playoff rotation will be figured out later, a lot of games to be played still
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Why can’t Phelps have Garcia’s spot? Why do we need to trade for Dempster. Need a bat more than a starter
BTW Kev, everything you say makes sense re: the plus of getting Dempster. I mean, it can’t hurt to have another guy who knows how to pitch on your team. But it’s the cost that would concern me. If they’ll give you Dempster for what the Pirates got Snider for…. well, that’s a no brainer. But Theo is a crafty fella…
Unlike some people, looks like Theo has evolved beyond his romanticized “run prevention” notions that got him basically nowhere…
On another note, kind of makes me sick to my stomach that Theo has his hands on Vizcaino…
Wonder if we had let Melky stay and continue to develop what we would have today or Ajax.
Now we have HR or K Granderson.
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Melky wouldn’t have developed like that. He needed to hit rock bottom, and he still has maturity issues.
Granderson’s been better over the course of three years than A Jax.
Phelps is a total unknown quantity. Shiny new toy syndrome.
Nova’s got to compete for his playoff spot. He’s an average pitcher right now. He’s got to step it up or lose it.
RadioKev July 31st, 2012 at 10:06 am
I get that we’re fans and we like Nova, but wake up and smell the coffee. Ace he is not.
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Neither is Dempster, and he is 35. Just what we need. Another aging NL starting pitcher
Dempster debate, right this way folks
Would you rather, cheap, under control for years to come Melky and Austin Jackson or Granderson and Javy Vazquez.
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Well, I sure as hell’d rather have Melky and Vizcaino than Logan and a second tour with Javy.. but the talent “evaluators” didn’t agree…
RadioKev July 31st, 2012 at 10:12 am
Wonder if we had let Melky stay and continue to develop what we would have today or Ajax.
Now we have HR or K Granderson.
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Melky wouldn’t have developed like that. He needed to hit rock bottom, and he still has maturity issues.
Granderson’s been better over the course of three years than A Jax.
Phelps is a total unknown quantity. Shiny new toy syndrome.
Nova’s got to compete for his playoff spot. He’s an average pitcher right now. He’s got to step it up or lose it.
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And what has Ryan Dempster done in the playoffs, he is a lifetime National Leaguer with a 4.31 ERA adn 1.43 WHIP.
Color me unimpressed by a career season in his peripheral numbers.
Granderson is a HR or K player, he has 8 steals on the season, he will likely reach 200 K’s and 19 of his 28 HR’s are solo shots. His defensive rating is -16.
I would take Melky and Ajax in a heartbeat as a young outifield combo.
But its done so cannot be undone.
My statement is more for your willingness to see Nova parted with for what you think is a quick fix for a guy 10 years older.
And what has Ryan Dempster done in the playoffs, he is a lifetime National Leaguer with a 4.31 ERA adn 1.43 WHIP.
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You’re actually holding two playoff appearance, 5.2 IP, against him? That’s really the logic you stand by?
those crying over Austin Jackson would have beenpulling their hair out and screaming ‘dump him’ while enduring all the strikeouts the last 2 years. Patience is not one of the virtues of most yankee fans here. Granderson has more than justified that trade. Problem is he has falled in love with the short piorch in right and swinging for the home run. Needs to get back to hitting the ball all over.
Melky wouldn’t have developed like that. He needed to hit rock bottom, and he still has maturity issues.
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Melky Cabrera was clearly pointed in the up direction off of 2009. The manager himself said that his rise from the right side of the plate was the key reason he won the CF job that season.
He hit .274, and .298 with RISP for the Yankees that year, and was a key bat in the ALCS against the Angels off a .391 BA.
He bottomed out in Atlanta because he was crushed at getting dealt. He righted himself and has accounted himself a superb hitter from both sides of the plate now for over a year and a half.
The “he would have sucked as a Yankee” meme is more garbage to stroke the front office. They got a crap starter and a LOOGY for a guy who his hitting .400 vs. LHP and well over .300 against RHP. They also gave up Vizcaino.
The trade sucked, and it was made, in part because of another huge misdiagnosis: they “needed” Javy because they folded on Chamberlain as a starter.
Error in judgment, after error in judgment.
J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2012 at 10:22 am
So true & now they need a RH Bat after another error in judgement! Jesus!