Deadline comes and goes
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 31, 2012 
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Right at the trade deadline, multiple reports say the Rangers have traded for Ryan Dempster.
Barring some completely unknown, unreported deal, it seems the Yankees have let the deadline pass without making a deal.
UPDATE: Well, never mind. Joel Sherman reports the Yankees are on verge of getting Casey McGehee for Chad Qualls.
NOW, what did Texas give up???
around now would be a good time for the Yanks to wave the smelling salts, and start their next winning surge…and if not smelling salts, then maybe try bath salts
Good. Let the Rangers have him. Would have liked a bat though.
Ken_Rosenthal
Correction: One of players going to #Cubs is a pitcher, one a position player. Both at Class A.
I hope we did rise the price
Joelsherman1
#Yankees on verge of getting Casey McGehee for Chad Qualls from #Pirates
Joelsherman1
#Yankees on verge of getting Casey McGehee for Chad Qualls from #Pirates
Joelsherman1
Was down to deadline and #Pirates and #Yannkees were talking, I believe got it done — McGehee for Qualls. Trying to get 2d confirm
“a 38 year old past his prime player who is a shell of himself? and the only reason why they got him was because Sea picked up the money owed to him”
Not everyone sees him as a shell of himself, and he can cover the outfield and throw to the plate like nobody’s business. That pickup was gold in terms of Yankee needs.
Also, because the Yanks don’t acquire anyone today doesn’t mean they won’t be acquiring someone. The waiver wire is an interesting mechanism.
2 A-ball players? That’s cheap
Yankees Close To Acquiring McGehee For Qualls
By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 3:08pm CST]
The Yankees were on the verge of acquiring third baseman Casey McGehee from the Pirates for reliever Chad Qualls as the deadline approached, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post, who is working to confirm the deal.
Yankees get Casey McGee for Chad Qualls – makes sense – Qualls would be gone when Joba comes up and now they’ll just send down Pena.
Who wanted Qualls DFA’d?? See… he’s useful!
Wow. Rangers and Angels really going for it this year. According to Sherman, Yanks acquired Casey McGehee for Chad Qualls. Yippee!
Hi Trish,
I was just joking!!
And I was wrong with my statement
BryanHoch
Chad Qualls is still in a Yankees uniform. If he’s been traded, no one has told him yet.
not sure anyone could explain his steep dropoff, but it wasn;t too long ago we’d all be cheering for McGehee, even with his DPs…could now be Richie Sexson or Craig Wilson
WE GOT MCGEHEE!!!!
That’s a nice move, kids!!!
A postcard for Qualls would had been enough, but we got a mlb player.
Hmmm…. okay folks, now we need to get to work:
McGehee-y??
Casey-y??
McG-y??
Casey McGhee… who has a .650 OPS in his last 800+ ABs the last 2 years. Fun.
Meet the new boss…. a stark contrast from the old boss.
Doesn’t anyone want anyone on this team?
Garcia?
Martin?
Qualls?
Pena?
Jones?
Nix?
Casey McGehee? Big season in 2010, not so much since.
pat July 31st, 2012 at 4:10 pm
BryanHoch
Chad Qualls is still in a Yankees uniform. If he’s been traded, no one has told him yet.
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I hope Qualls doesn’t have a Twitter account… or I hope he’s no where near Joba…
I have to say I LOVE the Stealth Cashman!!!!
Did anyone report that possible trade?! NO!!!
I bet the Dempster thing was a come on the whole time.
Just call him Big Mac.
Marc Carig ?@MarcCarig
Chad Qualls was at his locker. Looked at his cell phone and said “four minutes.”
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Oh geez.. lol, this poor guy…
“Casey McGhee… who has a .650 OPS in his last 800+ ABs the last 2 years. Fun.
Meet the new boss…. a stark contrast from the old boss.”
Eroc, he’s a fill-in until Arod comes back. You weren’t giving up anything big for a big-name fill in!
Good move by Cashman…Fills a need …
Qualls is at least going to a team thick in the race. Happy for him. Less pressure there than here.
So the Yanks got a 3b for a pitcher they were gonna release once Joba comes back?? Nothing to lose here…
Platoons with Chavy—Nix goes back to utility role.
Qualls was a spare part. Good deal by Cashman
McGehee is a younger version of Wiggington – if his 2010 wasn’t a PED created mirage then who knows. Either way – he’s a decent 4 corners player off the bench.
“Good move by Cashman…Fills a need …”
Cashman is a man without a country – damned when he does and damned when he doesn’t.
SMH
To put in perspective how bad McGhee is, Rusell Martin has a higher OPS than him
… and both guys have an OPS in the high .600s. McGhee has a mid .600 OPS last year too
Casey mcgehee isnt very good….subtracting Qualls is a plus though.
Rangers swoop in on Yanks again….they probably gave nothing for Dempster
DaSaint007 July 31st, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Doesn’t anyone want anyone on this team?
Garcia? nope
Martin? we would probably have to pay the trading team
Qualls? McGhehe
Pena? Try again
Jones?nope
Nix? I wouldn´t offer him around at this time
How many lives does Freddy Garcia have? He must have used at least 3 of them this season alone
What is scary is the fact that we were even in on Dempster at all. That tells you all you need to know how blind Cash is to this teams needs on offense
What’s the problem?
We have our own reinforcements on the way:
Pettitte, Joba. They’re both more useful than Dempster.
A bat? Maybe A-Rod gets some rest and tears the cover off the ball in October
McGhee… Did you expect anything from Qualls?
Hassey July 31st, 2012 at 4:15 pm
How many lives does Freddy Garcia have? He must have used at least 3 of them this season alone
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Nothing compared to how many Gardner’s had!
Casey McGehee is awful. However, Chad Qualls moving is addition by subtraction.
As noted before, .650 OPS, 8 HR, .230 BA, .297 OBP this year. Not exactly tearing it up, and he was simply atrocious on the Pirates.
Yankees are fine with Joba coming back shortly throwing 98, Pettitte ready by late August, and ARod back by early September.
They’ve had their downturn at 2-8, now time for Cano and Granderson to step it up again.
Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal
#Diamondbacks did NOT make the big deal they were working on. Still trying to find out what it was.
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…..Interesting….?
Getting anything for Qualls was a positive….
I think some just wanted to see something that would spark the team.
I’m glad we didn’t get Dempster. He’s not that good. People talk about Hughes giving up a lot of homeruns. And he has a 4.30 career era in the NL
“What is scary is the fact that we were even in on Dempster at all. That tells you all you need to know how blind Cash is to this teams needs on offense”
You have no idea whether they were playing up the ante. Teams do it all the time.
RiverAveBlues
The power of Yankee fans. RT: @baseball_ref: Half of all active B-R users are on Qualls or McGehee’s page right now.
“Rangers swoop in on Yanks again….they probably gave nothing for Dempster”
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via twitter…
David Cameron ?@DCameronFG
This “Rangers get pitcher Yankees trying for at last minute” thing is becoming a Trade Deadline Tradition.
McGehee for Upton will be the next topic of conversation…
PS: I feel like I’m stuttering every time I say his name. Can we change McGehee’s name?
“pat July 31st, 2012 at 4:17 pm
RiverAveBlues
The power of Yankee fans. RT: @baseball_ref: Half of all active B-R users are on Qualls or McGehee’s page right now.”
Count me in, LOL
McGehee -Is he agile enough to play 3rd?
BNightengale
The #Cubs get back RHP Kyle Hendricks, 3B Christian Villanueva, both at Myrtle Beach from #Rangers.
From Myrtle Beach? The Cubs must also be getting Kenny Powers…
Dempster isn’t that good, glad we didn’t waste players getting him
“Did anyone report that possible trade?! NO!!!”
To be fair, anyone who got wind of this trade probably fell asleep soon after.
Bet it was Upton for one of Nova/Hughes and one of Betances/Phelps.
Thats why they wanted Dempster for this year.
Fun to speculate, but glad this didn’t happen.
“David Cameron ?@DCameronFG
This “Rangers get pitcher Yankees trying for at last minute” thing is becoming a Trade Deadline Tradition.”
The Rangers are giving prospect after prospect and no rings to show for it…
trisha – true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2012 at 4:17 pm
“What is scary is the fact that we were even in on Dempster at all. That tells you all you need to know how blind Cash is to this teams needs on offense”
You have no idea whether they were playing up the ante. Teams do it all the time.
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Very true.. the only thing I can’t figure is why they’d block him from going to the team he (Dempster) wanted (Dodgers) so he could be had by a team we’ll be facing (Rangers) in the race to the WS. There’s a chance this one backfired on Cash if he wasn’t really interested in Dempster… it doesn’t seem like the Rangers gave up anything but we’ll have to wait to see how highly ranked the A guys were. I think its more likely Cash wanted Dempster but Rangers waiting to hear the asking price to top it.
The Yankees didn’t need Dempster. Really.
I tend to believe the reports that they were in it to try to entice the Dodgers back in somehow.
They do a very utilitarian deal, which is what they needed to do at this point. Good for Cashman.
As much as I agree they need (could use) a bat, they were not going to be making any blockbusters mid-season. With ARod due back, and Tex due back, and now Swisher is back – they committed to these guys for the entirety of the season. Right now, the Yankees are about the supporting cast (because of the long-term contracts, sure).
I expect a lot of stuff to change over the winter. Trying to get used to the idea of perhaps losing players I have grown accustomed to. (Might not happen, but … )
best news of day: Joba likely coming off the DL to replace Qualls!
At least Cashman turned somebody that was gonna be DFAd soon into something……I think they needed more but we’ll see.
Dempster would have been hung here in about 2 weeks…….He isn’t even close to being as good as Hughes or Nova…..When he was a free agent a few winters back he was hated here as an option for the Yanks rotation……I’m most relieved
Shame,
He fits very well on the team….Phelpsy, >Hughesy, Russi, Gardy, Grandy, McGehee….Giradi doesn´t need to change his name to call him
YankeesWFAN Joba is due back soon so Qualls was out then. Getting another 3b option in McGehee is borderline theft.
Well, Qualls was going to get DFA’d anyway. Not a bad move.
Wasn’t McGehee in the home run derby a few years back? I’m of the conviction that players don’t forget how to play, especially younger players (I consider 29 “younger”). Who knows, maybe he needs a better coach then he’s had. He can play the corners. I’m sure he’ll get his share of hits.
I really don’t understand some of the people on here.
You are complaining that we looked into and almost got ryan dempster?
At most we would have traded bichette jr. for him. It would have been a nice move by the yanks if they were able to get him for a cheap price. He is a very solid pitcher, and would have fit nicely in the number 3/4 spot.
The deal also would have bulked up our bullpen for the post-season, with hughes going to the pen, and possibly nova.
And how can you complain about mcgehee? He fills a current need and we gave up nothing for him.
What were you all really expecting? Once you see who was traded, where, and for what, it would have been difficult to get a big bat to help this team.
This trade wasn’t possible until the Pirates got Gaby Sanchez. Then McGehee was expendable. This was probably not a deal the Yankees sat up for nights to orchestrate.
Cashman will scour the post-deadline trash heap. He’s not done scrounging.
Rangers still have all their pieces to go after an Upton/Shields/Johnson this winter AND they got better this year.
So I doubt Cashman went into this with the idea to “drive up the price”. Not ot mention, Dempster is not a difference-maker like a Cole Hamels. He is not worth “driving up the price” for.
Didn’t want Dempster, but I’m very disappointed in how blind the front office is to what this team needs to fix.
We got a bat who was probably going to be demoted/DFA’d for a pitcher who was about to get the same fate.
This team cannot drive in runs to win games and this was the move?
I hope all those A ball prospects pan out.
Villa,
Very good post…It is going to be a very interesting winter
Pat M,
Me too
Hendricks: ERA 2.65, WHIP 1.01, K/9 8.1, BB/9 1,1
Sterling: it’s a McGehee hey hey!
The Yanks literally gave up nothing for him and he can play both corner spots well. He doesnt hit, but he adds defensive depth to the infield.
Yea, that’s the ticket… the team needs a bat (and not someone with a .600 OPS in his last 700 at bats), yet Cashman is wasting the final few hours before the deadline driving up the price on a mediocre starter like Ryan Dempster
If that was his plan, then god help us.
Villanueva: 286 .350 .438 .789
Baseball-reference.com
Shame – Dempster made no sense to me unless the Yankees intention was to flip him – which it could have been. The Yankees are not starting pitching-poor. For all we know the Yanks didn’t think that highly of him and played they did and aren’t at all worried about where he went.
In any event, who cares now. He’s gone. The Rangers have enough of a battle on their hands with the Angels and the A’s that I’m hardly worried about who they’ve acquired.
Poor Joba…
Drove all the way to Trenton, tweeted that there was no traffic and now he has to turn around and get back to his real job in NYC…..
Wanna see 62 pitch TONIGHT!
jmv,
Those are the guys the Rangers gave up on the Dempster deal?
Lars Anderson was traded to the #indians
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THE Lars Anderson? Wasn’t he supposed to be the #1 1B in all of baseball for years to come?
EA,
Great post.
Kind of sucks that the only bats the Yankees can get are all .600 OPS types. Atleast they got rid of a guy they were going to get rid of anyways.
Joba might be activated today!!!
“Pat M. July 31st, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Dempster would have been hung here in about 2 weeks…….He isn’t even close to being as good as Hughes or Nova…..When he was a free agent a few winters back he was hated here as an option for the Yanks rotation……I’m most relieved”
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+1
We are fine in the rotation. And Pettitte and Phelps in the wait…
luis, Pat M, Villa – me too.
Good job by Cashman.
Migs
Nobody’s complaining, but I think there is concern about the lack of another impact bat. Right now the Yankees are very dependent on Cano.
It is no coincidence that they went 2-8 over the last 10, losing 6 of those game by one run, and Cano had recent mini-slump, especially with RISP. You cannot depend on Andruw Jones and Jayson Nix for the long term. Maybe Chavez and Ibanez off the bench, but not full time.
They still are up by 6.5 and too good not to pick up a few more games over August as the team starts to recover. There also wasn’t much on the market anyway.
SO Pena starting tonight at SS then back to Scranton tomorrow….
We hardly knew Ye for the 20th time.
Cash basically got McGehee for free.
Yankee Trader July 31st, 2012 at 4:19 pm
McGehee -Is he agile enough to play 3rd?
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Not well but he does play there.
Reds designated RHP Andrew Brackman for assignment.
Brackman was sporting a brutal 6.80 ERA through 49 innings this season in the Reds’ farm system. The former Yankees prospect has a 5.32 career ERA in the minors.
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Come on Cash lets reunite the killer B’s
“luis July 31st, 2012 at 4:27 pm
jmv,
Those are the guys the Rangers gave up on the Dempster deal?
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It seems so, read it on twitter.
essentially, this was getting McGhee and joba for Pena and qualls
did joba answer his phone while driving on the nj turnpike? Because that is illegal and knowing JOba’s history of injury, could have lead to an accident.
Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS
scout says christian villanueva, young 3b who went to #cubs in rangers deal is quite good. top 100 prospect in baseball.
What’s McGehee’s defense like? I don’t like baseball, just the Yankees, so I don’t know these things.
Yankees didn’t need to trade for pitching. They will get their starter when Andy comes back. Bullpen will get a boost with Joba who is throwing in high nineties.
Getting anything for Qualls has to be a positive.
I hope we get to see Joba tonight!
I have spent the last 4 months watching McGehee at PNC Park. He is atrocious. Maybe the change of scenery will help, kind of like a reverse AJ Burnett…
DaSaint007 July 31st, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Cash basically got McGehee for free.
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Definitely. There’s really nothing to complain about regarding the trade itself.. unless your Pena I suppose. Nix’s time also is probably gonna be cut down, I’d think.. but we’ll see.
“Nobody’s complaining”
I must have been reading a different forum!
AND Cashman got the Pirates to pitch in $250K.
Cash’s favorite teams must be the Mariners and Pirates for trades.
PittsburghYankeeFan July 31st, 2012 at 4:33 pm
I have spent the last 4 months watching McGehee at PNC Park. He is atrocious. Maybe the change of scenery will help, kind of like a reverse AJ Burnett…
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Better or worse than Nunez with the glove?
BloggingBombers profile
BloggingBombers Joba Chamberlain will be activated tonight.
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The first son returns
imho, i think we are in a wait it out mode as a franchise.
the arod deal that hank made really put a hurting on us.
if the yankees put a budget on for the future, then his, jeter’s and tex’s deals are all tough to deal with. add in the new deal for cano and upgrading the team gets even tougher as you need your farm system to come in and contribute.
i expect the next 2-3 years being a bit similar. waiting out some of these deals while hoping our young guys come up to the next level…
Joelsherman1
sorry, 2d source says #Pirates gave #Yankees $250,000 of the $485,000 differential between McGehee and Qualls contracts
Dan Szymborski I don’t think they truly grasp their situation.
Dan Szymborski Yeah, Twins are a definite loser today.
Yankees never aim for someone who is actually good at the moment. It is always someone who sucks who they hope can become serviceable and usually someone who is either old or has a very limited skill set (i.e. Ibanez, Jones, Mcghee)
These “lightening in a bottle” types can only take you so far. At some point, you actually have to find someone who is good and can provide consistent production
McGehee is pretty good vs lefties, once again addressing a part of the team that doesn’t need addressing
Can McGehee get here by 7pm to take Pena’s place in the lineup?
You know that the financial restrictions on Cash are for real when he insists on a cash incentive along with the deal.
So it would appear I was wrong. This deal was something sort of set in motion earlier in the week. Guess Cash doing his due diligence to see whatt might be out there to help out while ARod is out.
And I can’t believe none of you used this: Cashman was “Dempster” diving, and ended up dumpster diving again!
LOL
PittsburghYankeeFan July 31st, 2012 at 4:33 pm
I have spent the last 4 months watching McGehee at PNC Park. He is atrocious. Maybe the change of scenery will help, kind of like a reverse AJ Burnett…
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He had a couple of good years in Milwaukee – besides the Yankees don’t need him to be an every day player – just a RH 3b/1b against LHP
lol @ the Yankees only making trades when the other team picks up some of the salary. Times certainly have changed
Why couldn’t Cashman be conservative in trading Montero? That was when he should have been conservative.
I am happy we did nothing…with the business of baseball being what is is today, it looked from the outside like there were no available fixes like what Cash & crew have tried to accomplish in the recent past. Know when to hold ‘em and know when to fold ‘em. Let’s hang onto these 7 games for dear life and pray that A-Rod, Joba, D-Rob and Pettitte will have enough time to get hot before the tournament
The Yankees are going to get buzzsawed by RHP in the playoffs again at this rate.
Shame, he was considered one of the best 3B gloves when he came up. I think they’ve tried to use him as an interchangeable part and he didn’t fare as well at 1B. The good news is that we’d primarily need him at third.
I know we all used to try to get him on our fantasy teams!
Jerkface July 31st, 2012 at 4:34 pm
McGehee is pretty good vs lefties, once again addressing a part of the team that doesn’t need addressing
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Even you can’t be annoyed by this – Chad Qualls was two days away from being cut to make space for Joba and you’re not doing better than a Casey McGehee for him in any deal.
Maybe Joba can swing by and get McGehee and drive up.
35 year Ranger Fan Haven’t been happier since Richie Zisk beat the Yankees on national tv in ’79
McGehee is pretty good vs lefties, once again addressing a part of the team that doesn’t need addressing
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Haha, was just thinking that. As if their pursuit of Dempster was not misguided enough but they end up with a guy who only hits LHP?
Did they not watch the ALDS last year?
Hey I just saw an interview with Spahn who said he’s happy to still be with Minny. I thought MLB said that he had agreed to the trade with Cincy. What gives?
Joba will be active tonight
“These “lightening in a bottle” types can only take you so far. At some point, you actually have to find someone who is good and can provide consistent production”
Well good thing we only need him until Arod comes back!
McGehee’s defense is better than Nunez. That’s not saying much.
The Pirates got him from Milwaukee based on the 2010 season. He sucked in 2011, leading the Brewers to get rid of him. This season, watching him play and thinking about what the Pirates paid for him, my impression was that they did not get their money’s worth.
He’s a body who can play at least replacement level defense, and he does have a history of power. Worth a flyer on him, especially for a player about to be DFAed.
G Love,
I do think we need a bat…But at the same time this wasn´t the best time to get him ( Usually you are bound to overpay in the TD )…Most changes will happen in the next off season…I think the offense will be revamped then…Some players will go ( Swisher ) others could potentially be traded to lower payroll and at the same time enable us to sign a FA( Granderson?)…In any case, I think the plan is to survive with pitching until most LT current contracts expire ( except Cano´s) and the 189 mil cap is attained…It is what it is
Since the Montero trade Cashman has traded for Ichiro which was initiated between team President’s, dumped AJ to Pittsburgh in order to free up a few million for the bench and traded for this guy from Pittsburgh today.
I don’t know why, but I think ownership has put the clamps on him and it’s not just about money.
The Montero deal with both young pitchers he dealt for being injured has been a disaster so far.
It wouldn’t shock me if he’s not being allowed to make big trades.
Joelsherman1
Gratuitous shot alert: McGehee will fit right in with #Yankees, he’s hitting .203 with RISP, 567 OPS. #Pirates
lol, typical
I’m certainly not upset w/losing Qualls. Hardly knew ya. Welcome Mr. McGehee.
Glad Joba is back. Joba > Qualls.
Hope they’re able to trade Wise for another spare part.
Hey you mean they got the guy for defense when this forum said they needed a bat?
David_Schoenfield I love the Angels’ rotation, but no guarantee they’ll even win the division. So I can’t pick them. I’ll go with Yankees and Nationals right now. With no confidence!
Wow – does McGahee actually raise our RISP avg?
Chip,
I’m not annoyed that they turned Chad Qualls, who was going to be DFA’d, into something else. That is fine. More annoyed that they took no steps to correct the Yankees glaring weakness. Almost everyone that can fit in the lineup hits LHP.
G Love
Cashman is allowed to make big trades. If he wasn’t, he’d walk. He does have a budget, however, unlike the GS days.
There is just nothing out there that would be a major upgrade (at least that we know about).
“Did they not watch the ALDS last year?
Well, if Cano, Tex, Ibanez and Ichiro get hot for the playoffs it won’t matter.
luis,
The frustrating part is Arod & Tex, the 2 deals that really weigh the payroll down, are on the books for another 5-6 years I believe. The waiting for their deals to expire in order to make big improvements is going to be long and painful. We have to hope that Arod and the Yankees work out a buy out and he retires when he can no longer stay healthy/contribute.
Villa,
Loved your Dempster/dumpster line LOL
Pittsburgh, I don’t know what makes you think that 1B and 3B are interchangeable. Ask Pukeface. They’re not. The Pirates used McGehee primarily at 1B. My take is he will be primarily at 3rd. Tat’s his natural position.
Take heart.
PittsburghYankeeFan,
I honestly would’ve seen Pence as an upgrade and someone we would still have under team control for next year.
Casey-ie or McGeheeie?
” And I can’t believe none of you used this: Cashman was “Dempster” diving, and ended up dumpster diving again!”
I hate to break it to you, but…
Gratuitous shot alert: McGehee will fit right in with #Yankees, he’s hitting .203 with RISP, 567 OPS. #Pirates
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Not surprising, he is another low average and his 20% strikeout percentage. He is another one-trick pony with the bat that contribute to our offensive futility
“Wow – does McGahee actually raise our RISP avg?”
Guess you’ll have to wait to find out! That’s usually how it happens.
I don’t know what makes you think that 1B and 3B are interchangeable. Ask Pukeface. They’re not. The Pirates used McGehee primarily at 1B. My take is he will be primarily at 3rd. Tat’s his natural position.
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1st base is easier than third. Most positions in baseball are interchangeable 1 way to 1st. 1st is the easiest position on the field. He wasn’t a very good third baseman in Milwaukee at any rate.
Why is everyone getting so riled up over a move made for depth that cost nothing?
I have a theory. The Yankees computer is broken or someone put a virus in that values low average with RISP and high power and K’s. Did they put Hank in charge of I.T.?
Rangers need Dempster a bit more, but I wish the Yanks pulled the trigger. Ah well. It most likely won’t kill us, but it would have been nice.
6m Trenton Thunder ?@TrentonThunder
UPDATE: Joba left Waterfront Park @ 4:15 today and is expected to be activated by the #Yankees for tonight’s game. He will not be in Trenton
Glad that Qualls is gone – That’s some progress. However acquiring McGehee tells you much about the sad state of the Yankees MiLB system as it relates to position players. Nothing at the AA/AAA level to write home about.
G. Love July 31st, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Since the Montero trade Cashman has traded for Ichiro which was initiated between team President’s, dumped AJ to Pittsburgh in order to free up a few million for the bench and traded for this guy from Pittsburgh today.
I don’t know why, but I think ownership has put the clamps on him and it’s not just about money.
The Montero deal with both young pitchers he dealt for being injured has been a disaster so far.
It wouldn’t shock me if he’s not being allowed to make big trades.
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G – when was the last time Cashman made a big in-season trade? Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte in 08?
Cashman is very conservative. He likes to do his major work in the off-season when there’s more time to work a deal and you don’t rush into a bad decision. If you look back – with a few exceptions (Nady, Abreu, Justice) the majority of his midseason trades are smaller ones, guys like Hinske, Hairston, Berkman at the end of his line, Kerry Wood, Austin Kearns – players to add a little depth to the bench, but not major impact players.
There are two issues:
(1) Can the Yankees win the WS this year as presently constituted? The answer is yes, assuming Pettitte and ARod come back OK. Joba is about to dominate, but the big impact player could be Phelps.
(2) What do they do in 2013 to move towards the $189 million 2014 cap? I think they resign Cano and Granderson (or extend them), think seriously about Swisher but have no illusions, understand that Pineda or Phelps will have to replace Kuroda, and figure out if Andy wants to pitch in 2013. That’s a great baseline to start from. Then figure out which pitching prospects to trade for a cost controlled impact bat or two.
1st base is easier than third. Most positions in baseball are interchangeable 1 way to 1st. 1st is the easiest position on the field. He wasn’t a very good third baseman in Milwaukee at any rate.
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Not to mention, he played 147 games at 3B last year and put up a .621 OPS.
He is awful no matter where he plays
He’ll be at the Stadium by 6, barring a huge traffic jam.
Joelsherman1
Not long ago 1 of #Yankees prospect Killer Bs, Andrew Brackman was DFAed by #Reds. Remaining Bs – Betances, Banuelos – poor yr for NYY
luis, I want to give you credit for something I think you tend to do more often than not – apply objectivity (except maybe when it came to Montero.
) As much as you believe this team needs a bat, you are willing to look at the situation and recognize that the timing and price just weren’t right at this point in time. Some posters get so polarized in their positions that once they decide something, if it doesn’t happen in that direction then they are convinced everything and everyone else is wrong.
Good for you!
G. Love July 31st, 2012 at 4:48 pm
I have a theory. The Yankees computer is broken or someone put a virus in that values low average with RISP and high power and K’s. Did they put Hank in charge of I.T.?
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Thank god it is, we’re first in the AL. Must be doing something right, no?
G. Love July 31st, 2012 at 4:44 pm
luis,
The frustrating part is Arod & Tex, the 2 deals that really weigh the payroll down, are on the books for another 5-6 years I believe. The waiting for their deals to expire in order to make big improvements is going to be long and painful. We have to hope that Arod and the Yankees work out a buy out and he retires when he can no longer stay healthy/contribute.
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I hear ya….It will depend on how they operate this next two years really…But we are heading for a little of a downward period, there is no escape from it…We will still be able to compete, but they will have to rely on the farm more and more, which i think is good, because the core needs to be replaced…I just hope that they realize this and start working accordingly…of course, if that move from the OS doesn´t ocurr we would be in better shape going forward…But that´s water under the bridge…They need to realize that they need to get younger and start trading present for future in order to make this downward period as short as you can.
The fact that Cashman was able to get anything at all for Qualls makes this a good trade. McGhee is a pretty good 3rd baseman from what I hear, and hits lefties pretty well. better option than Nix
Chip – He did try to make the Cliff Lee trade in season a few times and also chased Hallyday when he was on the market. He’s tried to make big deals but either gets used and someone ups the ante or the opposing team doesn’t want to help us.
I just wonder if they even considered Hanley Ramirez. He was dealt a few hours after Arod’s diagnosis and we could have easily beat that package. I also think Pence would’ve added offense to a team that is lacking in it and has their 2 corner IF power hitters injured at the moment.
Andrew Brackman DFA’d:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
I’ll say it again – it goes against Cashman’s nature to expect him to make a big in-season deal – I can think of four that he’s made in what – 15 years as Yankee GM:
David Justice
Bobby Abreu
Xavier Nady
Aaron Boone
His big deals generally come during the winter where there’s more time, where teams aren’t looking at your disabled list and seeing where you need help, where there are free agents you can reach out to if a GM tries to hold you up for your best prospects.
By and large – Brian uses in season deals to tweak the bench or fill an immediate need…Cory Wade stunk so he got Qualls. Gardner was done for the year so he got Ichiro. Now he had a guy he was going to get rid of and used him to fill another immediate need – and if he doesn’t work out then when Alex comes off the DL and they need a roster spot they’ll dump him too.
“1st base is easier than third. Most positions in baseball are interchangeable 1 way to 1st. 1st is the easiest position on the field. He wasn’t a very good third baseman in Milwaukee at any rate.”
This is one of the most ridiculous statements I’ve seen yet. I don’t know if some stat guru has told you that and you’ve bought into it, but 1B is one of the most difficult positions and one of the most critical. Good lord, how many games have you watched where balls have gotten by a 1B? That becomes the key to runs. A top-notch 1B is worth gold. Ever watch Tex in the field? Did you see Giambi, except for picks in the dirt? Easy my backside.
“The fact that Cashman was able to get anything at all for Qualls makes this a good trade. McGhee is a pretty good 3rd baseman from what I hear, and hits lefties pretty well. better option than Nix”
Cashman isn’t able to improvise. Not all deals are going to be perfectly timed in the off-season and perfectly planned for. When talent is available and a need arises, you have to be able to act quickly and secure talent and wait until the winter to then sort things out.
When guys like Haren and Hanley, premier talents who were in chaotic situations, could be had for pennies on the dollar, you have to act and take advantage.
“Thank god it is, we’re first in the AL. Must be doing something right, no?”
Nope. Pure accident.
Its fine that you get something for a guy that would have been DFAd…..but lets mot pretend this filled a need….this was a “its the trade deadline so lets do something move”…..
this doesnt help the Yankees for the postseason at all…..doesnt make them any more likely to win the division…..really doesnt do much anything.
They needed a real bat…..and if they werent getting that then Dempster would have at least been an upgrade over Garcia.
So its fine…..but I think they needed to do more…hope to be proven wrong.
I’m glad Cashman made the moves he made today!
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Joba_62 Headed back to the Bronx. What a day #blessed #thankful for everyone and yalls thoughts and prayers. What a 14 months!!
Trish,
Thank you
Even in the Montero issue i was pretty reasonable… It´s just that I thought and still think that it was a moronic move, that´s all. I very seldom take this kind of postures, only when i am absolutely convinced that it was wrong…
yanks 27 – you don’t bring in a Haren or Ramirez and sit them on the bench. Thinking beyond the glamour of the deal, think about realities of the team. You certainly don’t bring in a pitcher when the majority of your current injuries are to position players. Right now the overriding need was for a postion player, primarily an infielder since Swisher will be going back to right and the outfield is covered.
blake July 31st, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Its fine that you get something for a guy that would have been DFAd…..but lets mot pretend this filled a need….this was a “its the trade deadline so lets do something move”…..
this doesnt help the Yankees for the postseason at all…..doesnt make them any more likely to win the division…..really doesnt do much anything.
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Fair point.
This is one of the most ridiculous statements I’ve seen yet. I don’t know if some stat guru has told you that and you’ve bought into it, but 1B is one of the most difficult positions and one of the most critical. Good lord, how many games have you watched where balls have gotten by a 1B? That becomes the key to runs. A top-notch 1B is worth gold. Ever watch Tex in the field? Did you see Giambi, except for picks in the dirt? Easy my backside.
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Mark Teixeira is a great first baseman, but he cannot play 2B, SS, 3B, LF, RF, CF, or Catcher. Where as Nick Swisher can play LF, CF, RF, and 1B. Chavez, a gold glove 3B, can move to 1B.
The defensive spectrum goes: SS-CF (both require a lot of talent and skill) 3B C 2B RF LF 1B
Thats why players often move from SS to 2B or 3B in the minors. Why CF prospects move to the corners. Why 3B and LF/RF prospects move to 1B, and why you rarely if EVER see a move go the other way.
Its not any kind of stat guru non-sequitor insult you want to throw out, but merely common sense.
I guess their big deal is activating Joba today
luis – and there are others who are equally convinced it was the right move. That’s what I mean about never finding universality of opinion here on anything! But I give you credit for your flexibility. I think you really need to have that in order to give opinions of any value.
Welcome back Joba!
Then I misunderstood your intent when you said 1B was the easiest position on the field. Because clearly it is not.
brian crashman strikes again
team needs a bat, team needs a arm
he gets a stiff….lol
prospects are overrated, how is brackman working for ya?
I would much rather have McGhee versus Ty Wiggington
But the best addition today and would that will have an impact is getting Joba back….go Jobber!
I would much rather have McGhee versus Ty Wiggington”
Yea agree there.
What? Whats not to understand? 1B is the last refuge of the aging player. The next stop is DH or DFA. It is the easiest position to play because it requires the least amount of athleticism, range of motion, speed and reaction time. You don’t need an arm, you don’t need range. The biggest skill is the ability to catch a ball thrown to you.
That does not discount great defenders like Mark Teixeira and A-gon. They bring a lot to the position, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t the easiest one on the field. You need great reaction time AND a strong throwing arm to play third.
Easiest on the field doesn’t mean a child can do it, it only means that it has the least barriers to entry for any position on the diamond. It is easier to go down the defensive spectrum than up it.
Cashman should be applauded. What he did for the team was just fine.
Sure, a lot of fans here wanted to see an impact/all-star type player come here, but that’s not always possible.
Joe Casale @sportsJC16 43m @JackCurryYES McGahee is also the ML 3B Towers needs in any pkg for Upton in the off-season. Could help the Yankees now & later.
What the heck is SJ talking about…..
blake – then it’s very well possible that the Yankees are worried about now and not the postseason. As I often say, their wants and needs do not necessarily coincide with fans’ and needs.
I disagree that the move doesn’t do anything. It helps the Yankees to save Chavy and anyone else who would have filled in at third. If Arod hadn’t gone down, maybe they would have done nothing at the trade deadline. Again perception of what is needed doesn’t always match fan expectations.
But my questions to you are these, especially as you think about the postseason: What quality bat would you have thought about getting? What would the cost have been for that bat? Realistically, would the person have been sat down when another player regained full health? And if so, would it have been worth the cost to rent a bat for a month?
Thanks.
blake, it looks like SJ is quoting Curry saying that McGehee can possibly help to secure Upton at some point?
Neftali Feliz getting TJ surgery. That move to the rotation worked out well (:
An outfielder would have been nice………… let’s hope Swisher and Tex can get healthy/stay healthy
McGee? I’d have rather given Laird, Mustelier or Russo a shot.
But my questions to you are these, especially as you think about the postseason: What quality bat would you have thought about getting? What would the cost have been for that bat? Realistically, would the person have been sat down when another player regained full health? And if so, would it have been worth the cost to rent a bat for a month?
Thanks.
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These are the type of questions a lot of the “HATERS” around here are unable to answer.
HOLY CRAP!!! Want to know why the Rangers wouldn’t take no for an answer. Nefali Feliz needs TJ surgery. They didn’t let anybody know about that.
Trisha,
I think every baseball person would tell you 3B is far more difficult than first because of the long, often difficult throws.
That said, I am amazed Cashman got a serviceable player for Qualls. He is better than Pena and probably better than Nix.
Tidrow July 31st, 2012 at 5:15 pm
McGee? I’d have rather given Laird, Mustelier or Russo a shot.
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Why?
Laird and Russo have been given an opportunity or two and they have not shown
enough to stick around.
Also, Laird is on the 40 man, Russo is not. So calling up Russo would be designating someone.
You see. For every move, there could be more than 1 move that needs to be made to accomodate such a move and that might be why certain moves are never made.
“McGee? I’d have rather given Laird, Mustelier or Russo a shot.”
I think it was more a win-win situation where you got rid of someone who was going anyway and you got a veteran in the process – and it’s on a short-term basis. No need to put an unproven in a position when you want to be in charge of your postseason destiny.
JMO
“But my questions to you are these, especially as you think about the postseason: What quality bat would you have thought about getting? What would the cost have been for that bat? Realistically, would the person have been sat down when another player regained full health? And if so, would it have been worth the cost to rent a bat for a month?”
Would have tried to get Headley……Upton….Choo….etc….now the prices may have been prohibitive for those guys or not possible…..I like the deal they did fine if thats all they coukd do…..they got Casey for nothing……but I dont reqlly think its going to make much of a difference and think they needed a legit bat if they could have gotten one.
austinmac July 31st, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Trisha,
I think every baseball person would tell you 3B is far more difficult than first because of the long, often difficult throws.
That said, I am amazed Cashman got a serviceable player for Qualls. He is better than Pena and probably better than Nix.
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I will give you McGhee is better than Pena.
Not sure if he is better than Nix.
Nix has impressed me a lot this season.
He’s a pro and seems to stay ready for all 9 innings. That a very valuable bench player
right there.
I hope McGhee does just as well as Nix
Rangers announce Neftali Feliz will have to undergo TJ Surgery. Kept it quiet till the trade deadline passed. Cracks appearing all over the Ranger Foundation, and they obviously were forced to go the Rent-a-Dempster route. The window on that team winning a Championship, continues closing quickly.
blake, it looks like SJ is quoting Curry saying that McGehee can possibly help to secure Upton at some point?”
I know….I just think thats a bit nuts….Mcgehee wpuld be at most like a 4th piece in a deal like that….
I don’t get the agita….but this is the lohud blog….
do they give up qualls- b f d. whatever they get from mcgegee is gravy.
and, if mcgegee is part of a potential deal for j Upton… so much the better.
yeah, it wasn’t hanram….who for the last year and a half has been an overpriced jerk….. I don’t see the fascination.
“I think every baseball person would tell you 3B is far more difficult than first because of the long, often difficult throws.”
I don’t think I mentioned 3B at all.
Yankee lineup tonight Screams Small-Ball.
Joe
The Yankees could be on the verge of winning another WS and there would
still be people here complaining about a game in mid August where someone in the pen
blew a lead.
RIDIC!!!
Chase Headley would have been a piece that could potentially help you get Justin Upton later……a guy you traded Chad Qualls for straight up……not so much.
“Jerkface July 31st, 2012 at 4:34 pm
McGehee is pretty good vs lefties, once again addressing a part of the team that doesn’t need addressing .”
Interesting you say that now, because either you or an entirely different person was fretting before that the Sox got lefty Craig Breslow and how bad that was for the Yankees.
Feliz needs tj? GMs keep info quiet?
Interesting you say that now, because either you or an entirely different person was fretting before that the Sox got lefty Craig Breslow and how bad that was for the Yankees.
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Watch it, Nick.
Rangers announce Neftali Feliz will have to undergo TJ Surgery.
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Strong early indictment of vaunted Nolan Ryan pitching program/development. Holland has also experienced health issues – though he is now pitching. There is no magic formula.
what’s the roster move to add Joba?
Oswalt moving to the pen.
I can not wait for Joba to get in the game tonight and get 3 outs.
Then I’m looking for someone in the Yankees line-up that goes
4-4 and carries the team to a win
I don’t care if that player is Jeter, Ichiro, Swisher and little Ramiro Pena
Yanks keep their chips to trade another day – perhaps in November, December, or dare I say, January 13, 2013 – - – -
I admit my complete knowledge of McGehee was acquired by my recent baseball reference visit. His numbers don’t inspire much hope and is certainly not the bat many of us wanted. I wonder if the Pirates were going to release him and so the trade made sense for both.
Obviously, I don’t know what was really available or at what cost. My disappointment is the Yankees don’t appear willing to acquire anyone who impacts 2014. Upton’s pay may not be unreasonable, but that doesn’t mean it is workable into the budget. They want to fill in spots such as RF cheaply. Frankly, they may need to if they intend to meet their goals.
Doesn’t mean, as a fan, I have to like it or think it is smart business in the end.
IDCWYT July 31st, 2012 at 5:24 pm
what’s the roster move to add Joba?
Qualls was traded!
When McGhee shows up to play tomorrow, Ramiro Pena will be sent back down
to AAA
blake, again, if you had gotten Upton, Choo, or Headley, where would they be playing in the postseason? If the answer is on the bench, how would that have helped the team out?
very nice to have Joba back … I think we are going to see a different type of athlete than the one who was here before the surgery. Just reading all of his tweets it seems like he really appreciates the blessings that he has been given and is less inclined to take things for granted like he might have done a few years ago when he was the “phenom”.
Will always pull for the “big guy”
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Austin-
Upon-Are you talking about Justin from AZ?
If yes, that guy is not the right fit in The Bronx.
blake, again, if you had gotten Upton, Choo, or Headley, where would they be playing in the postseason? If the answer is on the bench, how would that have helped the team out?
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Upton? Easy, RF or LF.
Choo? RF or LF
Headley? 3B, A-rod at DH.
“Yanks keep their chips to trade another day – perhaps in November, December, or dare I say, January 13, 2013 – – – -”
Absolutely spot on. And that’s why I don’t understand the continual panic and/or disappointment being put forth by various posters.
Can’t wait to see Joba either but not too confident he’ll be pitching with a lead. This lineup without A-Rod and Tex will frighten no one, not even the Orioles. Lot of onus on Granderson and Cano to drive in runs, and unfortunately they’re both slumping.
“Upton? Easy, RF or LF.
Choo? RF or LF
Headley? 3B, A-rod at DH.”
Thank you blake. Now the real blake, realistically, where would those players have gone?
IDCWYT July 31st, 2012 at 5:24 pm
what’s the roster move to add Joba?
Qualls was traded!
When McGhee shows up to play tomorrow, Ramiro Pena will be sent back down
to AAA
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i appologize for not knowing McGehee would be inactive tonight
yankfan July 31st, 2012 at 5:07 pm
brian crashman strikes again
team needs a bat, team needs a arm
he gets a stiff….lol
prospects are overrated, how is brackman working for ya?
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yankfan shows his stupidity again..
JOba is back tonight. Pettite will be back in Sept. Tex only out a few days. did not overpay for a mediocre starter like Dempster.
“July 31, 2012 at 5:26 pm blake, again, if you had gotten Upton, Choo, or Headley, where would they be playing in the postseason? If the answer is on the bench, how would that have helped the team out?”
None of those guys would have been on the bench. Headley would play 3B or outfield if Alex DHd. Choo or Upton would have pushed Swisher to DH or ichiro to the bench.
looks like Nolan Ryan having problems with his pitching staff…injury woes….I thought Ryan would have put a stop to that.
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blake, again realistically, I think you know none of that would have happened. The Yankees are not going to acquire someone when they already have a “more than credible” person in the position. They would not be sitting Ichirio, nor would they sit Swisher. Realistically.
And I don’t think you’d see Arod sitting as DH when they would want to be able to have different players DH depending upon the situation.
And going back to the price, I think you know hey would not be giving up what it would have cost when they already have players in place. It just doesn’t make sense.