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Nova lets five-run lead slip away

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 31, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Well that certainly got out of hand quickly. Ivan Nova pitched a perfect first inning and got an immediate five-run lead, then he blew it in a big way. Nova’s worst start of the year was a 11-5 debacle at Yankee Stadium. Nova allowed nine runs on 10 hits through five innings. Seven of those runs came in the second inning, an inning that started with the Yankees leading 5-0. Nova allowed six hits in the inning, four of them with two outs, including a go-ahead grand slam by Chris Davis. The Orioles scored another run off Nova in the third inning and another in the fifth. Nova’s letdown came after the Yankees batted around in a five-run first that included a two-run homer by Robinson Cano.

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193 Responses to “Nova lets five-run lead slip away”

  1. ac1 July 31st, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    wow what a game for granderson.
    3 Ks and a game ending DP.

    What can we even say about this debacle?

  2. EA July 31st, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    Time to move Joba back to the rotation. A guy with his arsenal should not be pitching the 7th inning

  3. jacksquat July 31st, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    All you Granderson whiners prefer that mashed dp to a strikeout? Idiots.

  4. bruceb July 31st, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    Granderson, you suck. Yankees, you suck. Life, you suck. We can only hope for better tomorrow. It’s a long season.

  5. MoRings42 July 31st, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    5 runs should win a ball game. This is all on Nova.

  6. Nick in SF July 31st, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    When Oriole Pitcher Chen set a new record for strikeouts by a Taiwan-born player at 12, I snapped a picture of the graphic on TV and sent it to a friend of mine in Taiwan. The reply made me a little sad:

    “Ha, you noticed that too. He is now the headline on every newspaper in Taiwan!! You know, almost everyone in Taiwan has forgotten Wang because of his extramarital affair. It left very bad impression. No one called him “Glory of Taiwan” ever. Now the new “Glory of Taiwan” goes to Chen. Haha!”

  7. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    Think about Happy Little Trees

    You won’t regret it –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....g-logo-xit

  8. Tank July 31st, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    The fact that Granderson is our 2nd best player is the epitome of why this offense is brutal. He does not do anything aside from the 40 times he hits the ball into the stands.

  9. igotid88 July 31st, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    You can’t just make Joba a starter like that. It’s going to take him a year and a half or more to get his innings up.

  10. igotid88 July 31st, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    6 outs away from a no-no for Burnett

  11. jc in tw July 31st, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    the guy we finally traded away is having no-no through 7…maybe we should try to trade him back??

  12. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    Level with me here. Do any of you honestly think Cashman will trade Granderson in the offseason with no CF replacement in sight aside from Glass Gardner?

  13. Pat M. July 31st, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    Tonights loss doesn’t sting like the 6 1 run loses but it hurts when the club is struggling……They’ll salvage tomorrows contest…..Are we really circled back to Montero and even further back to Joba in the rotation ???? He’s not now and never was going to be a starting pitcher ……Let’s just let him lockup one inning and be satisfied……..His aresenal includes wild pitches and tons of walks……Move on just as the club has moved on……Be happy that his shoulder hasn’r exploded yet

  14. 4 NYY July 31st, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    From previous page, I’m amazed that Nova said he loses concentration with a big lead !!!

    ( DID HE REALLY SAY THAT ? )

  15. mick July 31st, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    “You can’t lose focus as a Major Leaguer.” Girardi about Nova

    Translation: Next start you’d better be better or be gone for Phelps.

  16. Pat M. July 31st, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    Hitman……Move Curtis and sign Melky

  17. bruceb July 31st, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    Burnett’s performance is really rubbing salt in the wound. Not a great night to be a Yankees fan (understatement of the year).

  18. 4 NYY July 31st, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    IMO, Joba will be pitching anywhere from 6th – 8th inn. as needed.

    And that is as it should be.

  19. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    “Granderson, you suck. Yankees, you suck. Life, you suck. We can only hope for better tomorrow. It’s a long season.”

    bruceb, you probably hit it all. What else is there to say.

    *************

    I hope that Phelps is now switched into the rotation, only because I trust Nova out of the pen. Even in games where he’s limited the damage he’s given up a ton of hits. I still believe in his future with the Yanks. I think at this point a little change won’t hurt.

    ************

    Watching AJ. I am hoping with every bit of my being that he gets this done. A great guy and a great pitcher who just couldn’t manage the Bronx. No shame there. He’s not the only one it’s happened to.

    GO AJ!!!

  20. Hassey July 31st, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    Time to start calling Granderson “Kong”

  21. Tyler July 31st, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    Anybody see that Phelps race?

  22. m July 31st, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    I’m glad I missed this game.

    When does Granderson’s contract expire? I winder if the Yankees will look elsewhere? Or even go with a hopefully healthy Gardner in CF? But they have to fill LF AND RF.

    Any explanations for how this game got so out of hand?

  23. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    Pat M.

    Who plays CF? Can they honestly count on Gardner when he’s got Carl Crawford and Xavier Nady issues with his elbow?

    I’d love to deal away Granderson for some talent, don’t get me wrong but I think he plays out 2013 and gets the Yankees 1 year closer to Mason Williams. From there they’ll evaluate his timetable and how long of a stop gap they’ll need.

    I’m for a Melky reunion and a trade for Chase Headley.

  24. 4time July 31st, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    “Anybody see that Phelps race?”

    Who was he racing with, Robertson? Qualls?

  25. Villa Nova-Ya July 31st, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    Is this rock bottom?

    :(

  26. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    Headley in RF, Melky in RF, Granderson in CF in 2013 and then a stopgap to Mason Williams.

    Can’t count on Gardner and if he’s healthy, Headley is versatile enough.

  27. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    edit: Melky in LF

  28. blake July 31st, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    Pat M. July 31st, 2012 at 10:22 pm
    Hitman……Move Curtis and sign Melky

    They should consider it…..

  29. Tyler July 31st, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    4time July 31st, 2012 at 10:26 pm
    “Anybody see that Phelps race?”

    Who was he racing with, Robertson? Qualls?
    ————————————————

    Robertson and Qualls drowned. Just like the entire team tonight.

  30. 4time July 31st, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    I wouldn’t be against picking up Lee or Beckett off the waiver wire in August. Not sure what other arms might be there – Bruce Chen maybe? Millwood?

  31. Nick in SF July 31st, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    “Anybody see that Phelps race?’

    No spoilers, please. I’m DVRing the whole Olympics and I’m going to watch it all in a marathon session in a couple weeks.

  32. AZ88 July 31st, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    They need to infuse more contact hitters into the lineup. Sacrifice some power for some contact

  33. Tyler July 31st, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Nick-

    I won’t say a word then.

  34. Villa Nova-Ya July 31st, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Wow, Nova 1 win in his last 8 starts.

    (I know some of those were on the offense, but still…)

  35. blake July 31st, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Don’t think the Yanks would take on Lee’s salary…..and I’d rather lose than trade for Josh Beckett

  36. ac1 July 31st, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    Ivan Nova was a tad delusional. He got blasted tonight and called it a product of bad luck. This after Girardi said Nova had nothing.
    _____

    This attitude is UNACCEPTABLE.

    Joe need to sit him down and make it clear he needs to understand that he F’d up bad tonight and it wasnt bad luck, it was bad pitching.

  37. Nick in SF July 31st, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    “Is this rock bottom?”

    I’ll get back to you in about 16 hours on that. :neutral:

  38. yankfan July 31st, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    this team needs pitching and lets the deadline go with no moves

    crashman looks like a fool again

  39. GoldGlove9486 July 31st, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    Did someone really suggest getting Josh Beckett on waivers? For God’s sake…

  40. Nick in SF July 31st, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    “I won’t say a word then.”

    Thanks, because I’m tremendously excited to sit down in a couple weeks and watch Phelps win another 7 or 8 gold medals. Phelps forever! Go Phelpsy! Team Phelps!

  41. igotid88 July 31st, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    mick July 31st, 2012 at 10:22 pm
    “You can’t lose focus as a Major Leaguer.” Girardi about Nova

    Translation: Next start you’d better be better or be gone for Phelps.
    ————————————

    As good as Phelps has been. He hasn’t gone past the 5th as a starter in the ML. That also means he’ll have to go back down a get at least 2 starts. And come back against the Rangers. But I don’t see that happening.

  42. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    EA July 31st, 2012 at 10:15 pm
    Time to move Joba back to the rotation. A guy with his arsenal should not be pitching the 7th inning
    ///

    Hear, hear

  43. Captain Clutch July 31st, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    Nova has to be more mature and take responsibility for his poor pitching. He isn’t a 21 year old rookie.
    —————–

    Erik Boland?@eboland11

    Nova chalked up his night not to lack of command or poor stuff but…”bad luck.” ugh.

  44. Hassey July 31st, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    AK will end up back on the Yanx when his current contract expires

  45. ac1 July 31st, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    Burnett missed a month and has more wins than any yankee starter

  46. mick July 31st, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    Nova chalked up his night not to lack of command or poor stuff but…”bad luck.”
    ===================
    he’s starting to sound like IPK and you know what happened to him.
    phelps is breathing down his neck and one more bad start should do it.

  47. blake July 31st, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    Yes….bad luck caused the balls to hit the barrel of the bat too many times

  48. blake July 31st, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    Go AJ! I hope he does it

  49. 4 NYY July 31st, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    A hit for Cubs

  50. Tyler July 31st, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    Nova needs to change up that attitude… I like the fearlessness he has on the mound but he was awful tonight. Own up to it and improve.

  51. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    No hitter over. Great job by AJ. Feels good to see him getting a standing O from his crowed.

  52. mick July 31st, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    the only pitch I see is a base hit in the AJ bid…that’s a shame….

  53. ac1 July 31st, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    gone for aj… still a great game.
    again 12 wins going for 13 and missed april with an injury.

  54. Pat M. July 31st, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    You just have to love it when fans proclaim a players performance is unacceptable !! Yeah that carries some clout……It occurs to me that over the years, since 2009 when the Bombers won the WS, there’s only a few here who ever go to see them play….And yet there’s this divine bandwagon mentality that just overwhelms many of us here…….

  55. Villa Nova-Ya July 31st, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    Nova has always owned up to his bad games.

    I can excuse his feeling in denial right now. It was an awful outing. There really wasn’t anything constructive he could say anyway.

  56. waka flocka July 31st, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    i wish the Yankees would get real about Nova. he’s not very good. i don’t care about his “guts” or “ability to just go out there and win”. i am tired of the team treating him like hes untouchable. hes a back of the rotation starter that can and should be upgraded.

  57. ac1 July 31st, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    Pat the performance isnt unacceptable.
    The attitude is unacceptable, at least it should be.

  58. Tyler July 31st, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    Burnett hits a guy in the head with a pitch and loses his no-hitter 2 batters later… sounds like the AJ I remember (except for that no-hitter part).

  59. 4 NYY July 31st, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    Again, I ask, did Nova really say he loses concentration with a lead ?

    If so, he’s got more to learn than I thought.

  60. Tyler July 31st, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    That Cubs lineup has some good hitters too… Aj’s doing well.

  61. 4 NYY July 31st, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    Villa Nova-Ya July 31st, 2012 at 10:42 pm
    Nova has always owned up to his bad games.

    I can excuse his feeling in denial right now. It was an awful outing. There really wasn’t anything constructive he could say anyway.

    ===========================

    The TRUTH always works for me.

  62. Villa Nova-Ya July 31st, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    4 NYY

    I never heard him say that. I did hear him say that sometimes when there is NO ONE on base, he is not as focused as when he’s got runners on.

    In fact, Kay and O’Neill were talking about that in the second inning – just before the deluge! Freddy Garcia pointed out to Nova that he seems to have more focus with men on. I remember a couple of starts ago Nova addressed it and said it was something he wanted to work on.

    I think this kid has been very accountable and honest.

    I also remember him saying last year that he doesn’t like to lose, that when he has a lead to work with it makes him more determined to keep the lead.

    I don’t believe he’s lost the determination. He’s run into a slump. Just as hitters do.

  63. 4 NYY July 31st, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    Tyler July 31st, 2012 at 10:43 pm
    That Cubs lineup has some good hitters too… Aj’s doing well.

    =================================

    Only one season long player as high as .284. ( Castro )

  64. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    “this team needs pitching and lets the deadline go with no moves

    crashman looks like a fool again”

    The team doesn’t need pitching. The team needs the rotation to pitch the way it is capable of pitching and not put the team in a hole early in the game. We saw this at the beginning of the season and the ship righted itself and the Yanks started winning. Call it a slump. What we need is for the slump to end.

    “Is this rock bottom? :(

    I am certainly hoping so. I think Hughes stops the damage tomorrow and maybe gives the Ys enough time to take the lead.

  65. AZ88 July 31st, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    I honestly don’t know why any player talks to the media, postgame quotes are totally useless.

  66. G. Love July 31st, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    This isn’t going to just turn around because this offense is incapable of creating runs without the HR. They’ve now decided as a team that is who they are. The only guys trying to get on base via a single is Jeter and Ichiro. No one tries to walk anymore.

    This isn’t rock bottom. Rock bottom is blowing the division lead. I’ll hold my thoughts on that for the time being, but this isn’t just a little slump. This is the team Cashman built. It’s highly talented and heavily flawed. In fact, I’d say this is the most flawed Yankee offense we’ve seen since 1993. They’ve gotten away from everything this team was built on to become a side show of HR derby hitters.

    I only pray we get a new GM someday soon. Our current one has absolutely no feel for how to pick offensive players and build a lineup.

    Defend him all you want, but this is the team he wanted out there. He wanted Ibanez, Swisher, Granderson. The only guy he didn’t want was Arod and he was actually hitting for some average this season.

    The only way we’ll hold on to the division lead is if our pitchers are perfect 3 out of 5 games the rest of the way.

  67. mick July 31st, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    The loss of Andy is weighing on Nova. He is not stepping up.
    That’s a major problem, losing great ballplayers.
    They cannot be replaced.
    Same with Mo, sure Soriano replaced him, but the rest of the pen is feeling his loss.
    Next is Alex and now Tex.
    This team is in trouble…

  68. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    “Again, I ask, did Nova really say he loses concentration with a lead ?

    If so, he’s got more to learn than I thought.”

    Suzyn Waldman said tonight that Nova “admitted” that he sometimes loses focus when he has a big lead. Only reporting what she said. She also said it’s not unusual for that to happen to rookies and that veterans do a much better job of keeping focus (paraphrase).

  69. Villa Nova-Ya July 31st, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    4NYY

    It may have been the truth to Nova.

  70. 4 NYY July 31st, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    Villa Nova-Ya July 31st, 2012 at 10:46 pm
    4 NYY

    I never heard him say that. I did hear him say that sometimes when there is NO ONE on base, he is not as focused as when he’s got runners on.

    In fact, Kay and O’Neill were talking about that in the second inning – just before the deluge! Freddy Garcia pointed out to Nova that he seems to have more focus with men on. I remember a couple of starts ago Nova addressed it and said it was something he wanted to work on.

    I think this kid has been very accountable and honest.

    I also remember him saying last year that he doesn’t like to lose, that when he has a lead to work with it makes him more determined to keep the lead.

    I don’t believe he’s lost the determination. He’s run into a slump. Just as hitters do.

    ———————————

    I’m happy to go along with that. I do remember some of that from last year. He’s young and has a lot to learn yet. Good attitude will go a long way.

  71. Tyler July 31st, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    4 NYY July 31st, 2012 at 10:46 pm
    Tyler July 31st, 2012 at 10:43 pm
    That Cubs lineup has some good hitters too… Aj’s doing well.

    =================================

    Only one season long player as high as .284. ( Castro )
    ————————————————-

    And that would be the 3rd highest average on the Yanks so I don’t see your point. Castro is a good hitter, Rizzo looks like a very good hitter. Dejesus/Soriano/LeHair aren’t bad either. They scored 9 runs in the 5th last night on a 3 game winning streak. They aren’t a bad lineup.

  72. AZ88 July 31st, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    G. Love – preach. It is time for a new voice in here. It is a disgrace what our lineup has turned into. A bunch of declining, over-the-hill sluggers with no bat speed and are useless if they are not hitting balls into the seats.

    The 2009 team had ONE player who had an average under .274 – Swisher. This year’s team will probably only have 2 guys hitting above .270. Their transformation into an all or nothing team with declining players is brutal

  73. waka flocka July 31st, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    trisha,

    doesn’t need pitching? Nova has had an ERA under 5 on ONE month this year and you have no clue if you’re going to get the same Pettitte back from the DL and Garcia sucks. how do the Yankees not need pitching?

  74. sunny615 July 31st, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    Lose again. Injuries abound. No one is stepping up. Not playoff caliber.

  75. jmills July 31st, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    If this is the worse it gets, you guys are doing alright :)

  76. Pat M. July 31st, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    Villa Nova-Ya…..I’m with you ….It’s a bad outing, you just move on……Ivan will be fine

  77. igotid88 July 31st, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    CC needs 9.2 inn more for 2,500 in the Majors

  78. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    GLove, you’re right.

    The rest: who cares what the kid said in an interview.

    Jeez.

    Good night.

  79. RMike July 31st, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    waka,

    There is a reason why the Yankees were so in on Ryan Dempster. Sherman thought initially it was a bluff, but then after talking to some people, learned that the Yankees really tried hard to get him

    Cashman knows his rotation is shaky. CC can’t pitch in October, Andy coming off an injury, Hughes leading the league in HRs, Nova unpredictable.

    If only he would have tried to improve this HR or bust offense too

  80. waka flocka July 31st, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    am i the only one annoyed by the Blue Jays fan constantly coming around here saying “at least you’re not my team”? go post on Drunk Jays Fans or something. i don’t give a crap that the Yankees are in better shape than Toronto. they’re still playing poorly.

  81. jmills July 31st, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    CC is as, ” Amazing,” as it gets in my books – 300 here we come!

  82. luis July 31st, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    Perspective is sorely needed guys….Nova has pitched very well up until tonight…There were some signs in his previous start that he is having some mechanical issues that are leading to poor FB command…First, his shoulder is opening to soon which leads to a lower arm slot angle, this is preventing his FB to sink and it is staying up in the zone with more horizontal movement than downward movement…This is also why some sliders where hanging over the zone, instead of dropping off at the plate.

    JAP made an observation that he seemed light with the legs, this could mean that he may not be striding toward the plate as he should..This will lead to unfinished pitches as well.

    This is nothing that can’t be worked out in a side session…Also bear in mind that this is his second season in the Bigs, so let’s cut him some slack.

  83. RMike July 31st, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    The schedule is brutal the rest of this month after the Mariners this weekend:

    7 game road trip to Detroit/Toronto
    7 game homestand vs. Texas/Boston
    6 game road trip to Chicago/Cleveland

    And they play 20 straight games from Friday vs. Seattle through August 22nd vs. Chicago. They better figure it out fast

  84. theREALkevin July 31st, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    Anyone still think nova is better than garza??? Lol, been saying this guy is due for a correction forever, and youre seeing it in games like tonight. Never liked his mechanics, he throws strikes but has no clue where in the strike zone it’s going. Leading the league in extra base hits allowed, enough said. Overrated.

    And how do u like that one dimensional offense scoring 5 in the first then tanking the rest of the game? Typical. Granderson, lol. What can u say. Strikeout king. This team is old, not versatile, one series and done in the playoffs. And it’s only gonna be worse next year. I’ll still be there supporting them, no doubt, but still frustrating. And Cash has his GM for life card. Must be nice. Casey mcgahee, lol, yeah he’s the savior. angels, tigers, possibly even rangers, all better than Yanks this season. DivisiOn title doesn’t guarantee crap. This team is too flawed to go to the Series this year, plain and simple.

  85. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    “Defend him all you want, but this is the team he wanted out there. He wanted Ibanez, Swisher, Granderson. The only guy he didn’t want was Arod and he was actually hitting for some average this season. ”

    G. Love, do we have to hear the same thing each and every loss? It’s not as if you’re going to change your position on this. It’s bad enough that we have to watch a losing streak like this without having to be pounded with “I told you so’s” – and not that I agree with your “I told you so.” It’s the same thing with having Montero rubbed in our faces all the time – and not that there’s any guarantee he’d be doing anything special with the Yankees since he’s used predominantly in a position that would never have been a viable reality with the Yankees anyway.

    When Ibanez, Swisher, and Granderson are knocking the tar off the ball, it’s tough for you to come out and talk about what a terrible decision he’s made. Because it would make no sense. But with the whole team scuffling, you pick on these three in particular.

    I think you are a great guy, I really do. I know you know that. But I am just so tired of reading the same thing over and over. It certainly doesn’t make the losses feel any better .

    I know you have to be extremely frustrated with this season, but so are the fans who think the opposite of what you’re positing but still aren’t thrilled with the losses.

    Thanks for at least listening to this. I feel frustrated too and you’re probably seeing my frustration come out. I believe things will turn around, but it doesn’t mean it’s not frustrating in the process.

    Peace my friend.

  86. mick July 31st, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    And they play 20 straight games from Friday vs. Seattle through August 22nd vs. Chicago. They better figure it out fast
    ================
    what’s there to figure out? this isn’t the June or half of July Yankees.
    There have been major changes and they are kicking in now…

  87. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    CC can’t pitch in October
    ////

    You win for the second most absurd post of the day.

  88. luis July 31st, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    Good night Primo…I am turning in as well

  89. RMike July 31st, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    Yankees have become the San Antonio Spurs of the NBA, a team that wins a lot of games through good depth and veteran savvy leaning on a fading core of players. However, they are not as talented as other teams (Miami, Chicago, Boston, OKC, Lakers, etc.), and nobody expects them to win a championship against the better balanced, more explosive tems.

    We’re the Spurs and the Tigers, Rangers, Angels, etc. are the Heat, Lakers, Thunder, etc.

  90. waka flocka July 31st, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    luis,

    are you joking? Ivan Nova in 2012:

    March/April: 24.1IP, 36H, 5.18 ERA, .997 OPS against
    May: 38.1IP, 43H, 5.87 ERA, .930 OPS against
    June: 35.2IP, 27H, 1.26 ERA, .623 OPS against
    July: 29.2IP, 33H, 4.25 ERA, .803 OPS against (prior to today)

    how is this Nova “pitching very well”?

  91. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    waka flocka July 31st, 2012 at 10:54 pm
    am i the only one annoyed by the Blue Jays fan constantly coming around here saying “at least you’re not my team”? go post on Drunk Jays Fans or something. i don’t give a crap that the Yankees are in better shape than Toronto. they’re still playing poorly.
    ///

    jmills is a poet, a scholar, a gardener, a lover of Thurman Munson, and a hockey historian.

    He is always welcome here.

  92. G. Love July 31st, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    Nova pitched awful this month. The guy was in tears in his post game. Watch one of his interviews and see how the media leads him to say things they can use. He’s not great in front of the microphone yet.

    He needs to step up and show us that he can be consistent again. It’s baffling since his stuff has more velocity and movement than it ever did and he’s striking out more batters.

    I almost wonder if he doesn’t know what to do with the stuff he’s gained since we first saw him.

    He stunk tonight, but I’d still rather have him than Dempster in our rotation right now.

    As for our vaunted offense, Yankees baseball was built on a circular lineup where guys got on base. Where our catcher could hit. There wasn’t a weak spot in the lineup. Everyone was on the same page. Get on base, drive up pitch counts, make productive outs and don’t bail the pitcher out. That offense is gone and it was gone before Arod & Tex got hurt.

    Hero ball is the offensive philosophy. Not punish the pitcher and devour the pen.

    Swisher being off this team will be a major part in the reconstruction of the attitude needed to get this offense back on track. It’s not all on him, but he gets so hot over Hero ball I think the team has caught his fever.

    I just don’t believe we have the right GM to rebuild this offense the way it should be rebuilt. The blueprint has been here since ’94. He’s now throw that out. He should be ashamed of himself and the job he’s done putting this offense together and not helping them to fix it.

    They’ll win if the starting pitching is good and the opposing pitcher throws cookies. Short of that, this offense is sorely lacking in classic Yankee philosophy and style.

    You could hear O’Neil in the booth tonight say after they put up 5 in the first they seem to go to sleep.

    Everyone can see it except Cashman.

  93. luis July 31st, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    Which one is the first??

  94. Eroc July 31st, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    JAP – To be fair, CC’s postseason career numbers outside of 2009 are dreadful. He is a fine, fine pitcher, but his October track record is uninspiring, to say the least. I wouldn’t blame someone for not trusting him in the playoffs.

  95. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    luis July 31st, 2012 at 11:02 pm
    Good night Primo…I am turning in as well
    //

    Good one, primo. You are right on, as usual.

  96. Eroc July 31st, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    Nova is the least of our problems, as poor as he pitched tonight. If this team continues to be a 3 outcome offensive unit, they’re going out very early in October.

  97. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    luis July 31st, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    luis, I agree with you and thanks for that. The one things fans lack the most is perspective. That happens after any loss. Well mutiply that times a thousand with the slump the Yanks have been in.

    Anyway, this place is never a fun hang out after any loss. With what’s been happening, well it’s not a happy hang out for anyone who actually believes the Yankees will turn things around.

    **********

    waka – yeah. This place would have been more “hell on wheels” than it already is if Cashman showed up with a starter and then brought in McGehee.

    The Yankees don’t need starting pitching any more than they did when the SP was tanking game after game at the beginning of the season. What it needs is balance from the entire team. I believe that’s coming. I also believe teams slump – even the Yankees.

    **************

    Night all. I do hope there is a team meeting of sorts, even if it’s one to give the guys a positive pep talk.

    I’m counting on Phil to stop the bleeding.

  98. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    Eroc,

    “”CC cannot pitch in the playoffs” cannot be a credible statement.

    Sorry.

  99. G. Love July 31st, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    trisha,

    You’re far more of a broken record than I am. You try to spin everything into something positive. Sometimes it’s unbearable to read so I guess I know how you feel. That’s your right to constantly spin like you’re a PR person for the team just as it’s my right to call it like I see it. You don’t like it? Skip my posts. Seriously.

    And I’ve never called Cashman on Granderson. Ever. But he’s part of the problem right now and it stings that he let the trade deadline go without doing anything to fix the obvious problems this team has offensively.

    Is it your job to tell us how to feel? Who gave you that right? This is a place where fans can vent. You don’t want us to vent? That’s absurd.

  100. mick July 31st, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    If this team continues to be a 3 outcome offensive unit, they’re going out very early in October.
    =======================
    If this team doesn’t play over their heads they won’t make it to October.
    I can see 2 wild cards coming out of the AL West and we are ripe for the taking.

  101. luis July 31st, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    waka,

    In his prior ten starts before tonight, he allowed more than 3 ER once…He has pitched for 2.84 ERA on those if I am not mistaken…Prior to that span, yup he had a few clunkers, but his peripherals were very good as well…Back of the rotation my a….

  102. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    For the record I agree with G. Love’s venting.

  103. mick July 31st, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    NOva is not giving us enough innings, only into the 7th once in last 7-8 starts.
    He has hit a plateau and needs to be shaken up and Girardi will do it if he gives one more bad performance.

    Phelps is ready…

  104. igotid88 July 31st, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    RMike July 31st, 2012 at 10:56 pm
    The schedule is brutal the rest of this month after the Mariners this weekend:

    7 game road trip to Detroit/Toronto
    7 game homestand vs. Texas/Boston
    6 game road trip to Chicago/Cleveland

    And they play 20 straight games from Friday vs. Seattle through August 22nd vs. Chicago. They better figure it out fast
    ———————-

    mariners have been playing well also

  105. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    Love when Lohud gets all moral, and starts talking about a player’s bad attitude based on a postgame interview in which he says a mere few words, and not even in his native language. You can’t make this stuff up.

    And let’s just disregard that said player is a warrior who doesn’t ever make excuses and pitches his heart out.

  106. G. Love July 31st, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    yanksfem,

    Some moron named Marc Carig on Twitter is fueling a lot of it. He’s parsing Nova’s quotes to get people angry at him and is comparing him to Ian Kennedy. I don’t know who he writes for, but he’s a twit.

  107. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    G. Love you are exactly right. You have every right to vent and I will just skip the vents. That’s fair.

    I’ve agreed with you here more than I’ve disagreed with you. This is one of the times we’re on opposite sides of the fence.

  108. luis July 31st, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    Tm Opp Rslt Inngs Dec DR IP H R ER BB SO HR HBP ERA BF Pit Str StL StS GB FB LD PU Unk GSc IR IS SB CS PO AB 2B 3B IBB GDP SF ROE aLI WPA RE24 Entered Exited
    11 49 55 Jun 6 NYY TBR W,4-1 GS-9 W(7-2) 6 8.0 4 1 1 1 5 0 1 5.09 29 103 69 19 9 12 10 4 1 0 74 0 0 0 27 1 2 0 1 0 0 1.01 0.432 2.28 1t start tie 9t –3 0 out a3
    12 50 60 Jun 11 NYY @ ATL W,3-0 GS-7 W(8-2) 4 7.0 5 0 0 1 6 0 0 4.64 25 107 61 16 11 10 8 2 1 0 72 0 0 0 24 0 0 0 1 0 0 1.02 0.356 3.40 1b start a 1 7b 3 out a3
    13 51 65 Jun 17 NYY @ WSN W,4-1 GS-8 W(9-2) 5 7.2 7 1 1 1 4 1 0 4.32 30 97 64 18 6 13 12 1 2 0 64 0 0 0 28 2 0 0 1 0 0 1.12 0.336 2.58 1b start a 1 8b 1– 2 out a3
    14 52 70 Jun 23 NYY @ NYM W,4-3 GS-6 5 5.2 5 3 2 3 7 1 0 4.25 27 99 61 18 5 11 6 4 0 0 53 0 0 0 24 2 0 1 0 0 2 .93 -0.095 -0.70 1b start tie 6b 12- 2 out d3
    15 53 75 Jun 28 NYY CHW L,3-4 GS-8 4 7.1 6 1 1 3 5 1 0 4.03 29 98 58 18 8 7 14 5 0 0 64 0 1 0 26 1 0 0 0 0 0 1.28 0.271 2.51 1t start tie 8t -2- 1 out a1
    July Tm Opp Rslt Inngs Dec DR IP H R ER BB SO HR HBP ERA BF Pit Str StL StS GB FB LD PU Unk GSc IR IS SB CS PO AB 2B 3B IBB GDP SF ROE aLI WPA RE24 Entered Exited
    16 54 80 Jul 3 NYY @ TBR L,4-7 GS-7 L(9-3) 4 6.0 7 6 3 2 5 1 1 4.05 28 102 65 20 11 12 8 3 1 0 43 2 0 0 25 2 0 0 0 0 1 1.08 -0.383 -2.85 1b start a 2 7b -2- 0 out d1
    17 55 85 Jul 8 NYY @ BOS W,7-3 GS-6 W(10-3) 4 6.0 6 2 1 2 10 0 0 3.92 26 111 73 24 16 9 5 0 3 0 62 1 0 0 24 1 0 0 1 0 1 1.26 0.145 1.18 1b start a 2 6b 3 out a3
    18 56 88 Jul 15 NYY LAA L,8-10 GS-7 L(10-4) 6 6.0 9 6 6 2 3 3 0 4.18 29 101 62 17 4 5 19 4 1 0 31 0 0 0 26 1 0 0 0 1 0 1.21 -0.429 -3.19 1t start tie 7t 1-3 0 out d1
    19 57 93 Jul 20 NYY @ OAK L,2-3 GS-7 4 6.2 9 2 2 1 6 0 0 4.10 31 107 78 24 10 14 10 6 2 0 53 1 0 0 28 4 1 0 0 1 1 .82 0.007 0.85 1b start tie 7b 1-3 2 out d2
    20 58 98 Jul 25 NYY @ SEA W,5-2 GS-6 4 5.0 2 2 2 6 5 0 0 4.08

  109. mick July 31st, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    Love when Lohud gets all moral, and starts talking about a player’s bad attitude based on a postgame interview in which he says a mere few words,
    =======================
    Girardi said he is losing focus and he’s not happy about it.

  110. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    luis, is that some sort of code? :mrgreen:

  111. waka flocka July 31st, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    luis,

    in that same ten start stretch he has put 82 guys on base in a span of 65.1IP. like i have said time and time again, the guy isn’t going to keep getting away with this.

  112. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    Marc Carig writes for the NJ Bergen Record? He’s a snobby fan, not at all likable.

  113. luis July 31st, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    oops!! sorry What I was trying to convey with that babble is that ]Nova has pitch 6 or more innings in 8 of his last ten starts not counting tonight….7 or more in 4 of those…Sure he is killing the BP :roll:

  114. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    Losing focus isn’t having a bad attitude. Young pitchers and learning how to focus go hand in hand.

  115. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    You think he didn’t do anything to fix the offense.

    waka thinks he didn’t do anything to fix the pitching.

    Can’t really think of anything more he could have done without giving up more than would have made sense for a short-term fix.

  116. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    jmills, you are always welcome here.

  117. beedogs July 31st, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    “Is it your job to tell us how to feel? Who gave you that right? This is a place where fans can vent. You don’t want us to vent? That’s absurd.”

    The day someone unwittingly gives Trisha the ability to ban users is the day 90 percent of this place vacates the premises. I absolutely cannot stand people who think they’re the authority on “proper” fandom and what can and can’t be said on a forum by its users. They’re horrible.

  118. raymagnetic July 31st, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    Good thing they have a 5.5 game lead.

    Will be nice to make the playoffs and get knocked out in the first round.

    Or maybe a hero will come along and give the team the strength to carry on.

    Too bad they (Cashman) traded away Monthero the Yankee savior :(

  119. 4 NYY July 31st, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    yankeefeminista July 31st, 2012 at 11:18 pm
    luis, is that some sort of code?

    ==================================

    I’m thinkin’ he is so proud of that ! LOL

    Sometimes those copied stats come out like mierda.

  120. G. Love July 31st, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    trisha,

    Everyone in here, outside of the trolls, want the Yankees to win. Some of us need a place to let it out and talk to other fans and share frustrations.

    I’m not mad at you, but if you don’t like what I write when the team is playing poorly, and they are playing poorly, I can’t help it.

    I don’t think we have a great GM. I think he’s adequate and I think this franchise deserves someone better who might embrace how this team became the juggernaut it’s been for the most part.

    In my opinion he’s stripping away, bit by bit, things that made this lineup special and not actively trying to fix it. I almost think the Yankees just want to keep big names in the lineup regardless of how they fit/function to keep the fans “happy”. That’s how we did business in the 80′s and it didn’t work.

  121. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    luis and YF, I think what you’re seeing are the residuals of fan frustration of a pretty bad slump. I think anyone who messed up tonight would have ended up on a major hot seat, deserved or not.

    Just gotta keep keeping the faith and hope things turn around soon.

    :)

  122. sammiejohnson July 31st, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    Code? Even the NSA couldn’t break that…

  123. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    yankeefeminista July 31st, 2012 at 11:14 pm
    Love when Lohud gets all moral, and starts talking about a player’s bad attitude based on a postgame interview in which he says a mere few words, and not even in his native language. You can’t make this stuff up.
    ///

    OMG yes

  124. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    I have low expectations for the playoffs. Just sign Melky after it’s over and I’ll be happy. A trade for Chase Headley would be a bonus.

  125. blake July 31st, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    Carig needs to shut up and stop trying to create news….thats weak.

    Nova didn’t pitch well tonight….but the offense did nothing after the first and they have lost the majority of games they have lost since the Oakland series started…..it’s just not as good as we are used to….it’s structured differently….easier outs…..the yanks needed to address it at the deadline IMO….but they didn’t so now we will have to see if what they have is good enough….hopefully it will be.

  126. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    I don’t think we have a great GM. I think he’s adequate and I think this franchise deserves someone better who might embrace how this team became the juggernaut it’s been for the most part.
    ///

    Since January, he’s gone from adequate to a disaster.

    Out.

  127. luis July 31st, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    In my opinion he’s stripping away, bit by bit, things that made this lineup special and not actively trying to fix it. I almost think the Yankees just want to keep big names in the lineup regardless of how they fit/function to keep the fans “happy”. That’s how we did business in the 80?s and it didn’t work.

    ==============================

    This…..I hated those years

  128. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    My pick is Angels vs. Giants in the World Series. Giants in 7. Melky is WSMVP.

  129. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    G. Love – the best I can hope for is that you’re calling it wrong. And of course you have the right to vent and feel any way you want to feel about what’s going on. Nothing’s to say you’re not calling it right, anymore than there’s anything to say I am. All I can hope is that I am. And only time will tell.

    If you end up being right I am going to be mighty plissed because keeping big names in the lineup has never meant any more to me than getting them in the first place.

    All we can do is hang on tight and hope the tide turns quickly.

    Hey tonight’s a full moon. Maybe that had something to do with it – (I don’t know what but any port in a storm.)

    ;)

  130. G. Love July 31st, 2012 at 11:27 pm

    I watched Nova’s interview. He was in tears. Whatever came out of his mouth was to get the firing squad away from him. He’s also not great in front of the mic when he needs to explain himself which is OK.

    This idiot Carig was giving AJ credit for “wearing his losses” as opposed to Nova. When Nova was about to cry when Meredith asked him a question I’m not sure how much more he could “wear it”.

  131. mick July 31st, 2012 at 11:28 pm

    Just gotta keep keeping the faith and hope things turn around soon.
    ================
    what does faith have to do with it?
    more like a miracle.
    this team is patchwork…the corners are shot (IF and OF)…this is not the team that blew thru June and September is light years away.

  132. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    beedogs July 31st, 2012 at 11:21 pm
    “Is it your job to tell us how to feel? Who gave you that right? This is a place where fans can vent. You don’t want us to vent? That’s absurd.”

    The day someone unwittingly gives Trisha the ability to ban users is the day 90 percent of this place vacates the premises. I absolutely cannot stand people who think they’re the authority on “proper” fandom and what can and can’t be said on a forum by its users. They’re horrible.
    ///

    THIS THIS

    Waste of people’s time. It’s a baseball blog, where discussion is supposed to take place.

    To skew that as a negative – lively discussion, diverse opinions, and yes, acute passion fresh off losses and wins alike, is basically attempting to eviscerate the heart and soul out of the place.

  133. luis July 31st, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    Blake,

    The problem is that if he addressed the offense, he mortgages the long term future of the franchise…He already did a disservice in the winter by trading the only position player he had above A ball and ready to infuse some youth to that lineup…I rather see him stand pat

  134. blake July 31st, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    I don’t think we have a great GM. I think he’s adequate and I think this franchise deserves someone better who might embrace how this team became the juggernaut it’s been for the most part.”

    I think Hal is tying his hands to a large degree and that second part more relates to him Imo.

  135. 4 NYY July 31st, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    I can go along with the Angels, but N.L could be anyone of about 6 teams. ( W.S. )

  136. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    mick – what that means is that you have to embrace that this team is slumping and that the slump will end soon.

    Better?

    I do embrace that. But if you don’t, that’s cool, and I can understand why you or anyone else wouldn’t. Doesn’t change my outlook.

  137. mick July 31st, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    One more thing…It’s not how LoHud views Nova, that’s on Girardi, and he didn’t seem happy.

  138. Pat M. July 31st, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    Raymagnetic…..I’m not going to go down the road about Jesus and his strengths and weaknesses and I don’t see him helping the Yanks much this season……But I think the answer for the Yanks was Cespedes…….He was the missing link for this season and moving forward as well……

  139. blake July 31st, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    The problem is that if he addressed the offense, he mortgages the long term future of the franchise…He already did a disservice in the winter by trading the only position player he had above A ball and ready to infuse some youth to that lineup…I rather see him stand pat”

    Well that was part of the issue….but I think they could address needs without mortgaging the future….

  140. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    Hal tying his hands may be a blessing in disguise IF the kids develop. Young and cost controlled, going forward.

  141. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    beedogs, I already fell on my sword on that one.

    Kay?

  142. mick July 31st, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    mick – what that means is that you have to embrace that this team is slumping and that the slump will end soon.
    =================
    you might call it a slump but I think you might be wrong.
    this looks like a trend till all ailing players return and that is not a given.
    an implosion is not a slump.

  143. blake July 31st, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    Pat M,

    The budget got in the way

  144. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    G. Love July 31st, 2012 at 11:27 pm
    I watched Nova’s interview. He was in tears. Whatever came out of his mouth was to get the firing squad away from him. He’s also not great in front of the mic when he needs to explain himself which is OK.
    ///

    I couldn’t hear him because my wife was talking to me at the same time, but he did look a little glassy eyed and the tone was a somber one, even though I couldn’t hear what he was saying.

    In any case, the focus on these kids’ – and they are kids – reactions fresh off the heat of game action – is absurdly ridiculous. And if they want to know his true heart, let him speak through an interpreter

    THE GUY SPEAKS SPANISH FIRST

  145. JM July 31st, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    eboland11 Girardi didn’t think Nova’s stuff was as good as the pitcher did. “he had no fastball command, inconsistent slider, inconsistent curveball.”

  146. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    “He already did a disservice in the winter by trading the only position player he had above A ball ”

    1 for 2 tonight…

  147. G. Love July 31st, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    Pat M,

    Best post of the night. The fixes were there this off season and we ignored them calling up the ghost of Kei Igawa instead of the victories of El Duque & Hideki Matsui.

  148. luis July 31st, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    Blake,

    Headley could have been a good option if the price was right…I just can’t endorse the J Upton thing, it would have been terrible for the long term health of the team IMO

  149. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    blake, I was thinking the same thing about he ownership. We don’t know what marching orders Cashman has been given. He apparently doesn’t have the same degree of flexibility as he did with George because he did not want Soriano and was overridden. So maybe it isn’t fair to put this all on Cashman without really knowing the inner workings.

  150. 4 NYY July 31st, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    Night gang. I, for one, put the ladies in charge here, they make more sense !!!

    ( after Chad, of course ) LOL

  151. luis July 31st, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    1 for 2 tonight…

    =======================

    Which one i whiff on YF?? ;)

  152. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    mick – only time will tell if you are right.

  153. blake July 31st, 2012 at 11:37 pm

    yankeefeminista July 31st, 2012 at 11:32 pm
    Hal tying his hands may be a blessing in disguise IF the kids develop. Young and cost controlled, going forward.”

    Eh….it’ll be 2014 at the earliest before said kids are ready……I wanna win in 2012 and 2013 too….doesn’t mean you do what the phillies did and just trade everybody….but they could make selective moves to go for it now also. The yanks aren’t the Royals….they shouldn’t have to pin their hopes and dreams totally on a group of players in A ball.

  154. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    Agree about the budget being detrimental with regard to IFA’s. I wanted Cespedes and Soler. However, I am happy as punch that we are no longer signing FA’s to exorbitant long term contracts.

  155. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    Night 4 NYY.

  156. waka flocka July 31st, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    the Cashman discussion is old. i don’t think he does a bad job but i wouldn’t care if he was let go. every time something goes wrong people blame everyone but Cashman. did the front office waste the value of Alan Horne, Eduardo Nunez, David Adams, Andrew Brackman, Jose Tabta, Jesus Montero or Melky Cabrera? i don’t think so.

  157. waka flocka July 31st, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    oops, forgot Tyler Clippard in there.

  158. luis July 31st, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    yankeefeminista July 31st, 2012 at 11:38 pm
    Agree about the budget being detrimental with regard to IFA’s. I wanted Cespedes and Soler. However, I am happy as punch that we are no longer signing FA’s to exorbitant long term contracts.

    =======================

    4 for 4 :D

  159. blake July 31st, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    Headley could have been a good option if the price was right…I just can’t endorse the J Upton thing, it would have been terrible for the long term health of the team IMO”

    Depends….he’s a prime aged potential super star on a team friendly 8 million AAV deal…..I think they need one of those.

  160. mick July 31st, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    trish-
    do you admit this isn’t the same team that went into Oakland whole, even without Andy and Mo?
    they were schooled even then, and this could have happened without Alex going down, the staff missing Andy and the pen Mo, but they now look on fumes , just sayin…

  161. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2012 at 11:41 pm

    Blake, I don’t disagree. But in the old days, we would take on a A. Soriano contract or sign some other over the hill type who would play too much. So, I am grateful that we no longer have the budget to do so. As for winning in the present, like I said in January, they overrated their hitting. Be saying it for two years.

  162. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2012 at 11:41 pm

    The Giants have Pence, Pagan, Melky, Sandoval, Posey and Belt. They are 6 deep and they all hit for high average accept for Belt.

    They throw Cain – Bumgarner. If Lincecum figures it out, they will be a tough out in a short series.

  163. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    As long is this a place for discussion, do I have the right to counter about Montero every time JAP decides that Montero is the answer to what’s wrong? Is that bad form? Or is this TRULY a place for baseball discussion?

  164. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    “did the front office waste the value of Alan Horne, Eduardo Nunez, David Adams, Andrew Brackman, Jose Tabta, Jesus Montero or Melky Cabrera? i don’t think so.”
    _____
    Meaning what? All the above players had/have different values?

  165. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    Blake,

    Cashman’s and Girardi’s conceptual plan for the team is not on Hal.

    They have coopted Theo’s “run prevention” ideology at the expense of legit offense and are smitten with what are now saber cliches.

    That is not on Hal.

  166. blake July 31st, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    YF,

    Yea….understood.

    I’m out guys…tomorrow Hughes starts a winning streak

  167. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2012 at 11:44 pm

    trisha, debate/discussion is the lifeblood of a blog. As long as it is discussion in earnest.

  168. G. Love July 31st, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    trisha,

    If you believe that, you should post it. The last thing anyone wants here are people censoring themselves outside of the sometimes deranged posts that pop up here during game threads. Just be prepared he’s going to defend his position voraciously.

  169. Against All Odds July 31st, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    beedogs July 31st, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    “Oh yeah. Put my name down on the “joba to starter” petition.”

    for christ’s sake, we’re still having this inane discussion?

    he’s not a starter. he was terrible when they made him a starter. he will never be a starter.

    ————————–

    Terrible after a yr and a half????

  170. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    “trish-
    do you admit this isn’t the same team that went into Oakland whole, even without Andy and Mo?
    they were schooled even then, and this could have happened without Alex going down, the staff missing Andy and the pen Mo, but they now look on fumes , just sayin…”

    I don’t disagree with a word of what you’re saying mick. Truly I don’t. The only thing we mght disagree on is whether they’re going to right the ship.

    I know I don’t have any logical explanation other than a slump, because I can never conceive of everyone going bad at once, and for good. But geeze mick, I know it’s not easy to embrace that with the team looking so bad.

    My hope is that Girardi takes some action to turn things around – whatever it has to be. I don’t care if it means flipping the whole lineup, switching pitching around, something. Anything.

    I am counting on Hughes to make sure we’re not swept. I can’t do any better than that. I wish I were some kind of magician, but I’m not.

  171. m July 31st, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    Was reading a few comments on a story on a certain Olympics recap.

    Someone mentioned that the girls were
    getting a lot of medals for the US. Someone responded that girls were kicking ass in basketball, volleyball etc and quote “the US is the only country with Title IX”. I thought that was funny in a great way, considering the conversation that was going on here earlier about pro-athletes at the Olympics.

  172. blake July 31st, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    They have coopted Theo’s “run prevention” ideology at the expense of legit offense and are smitten with what are now saber cliches.”

    Fair point….I don’t have a problem building pitching…I just think they have a false sense of security about the offense and think maybe Cashman doesn’t know how to fix it with the lack of resources he how has to work with…..they have 200 million dollar payroll….but not much liquid to spend apparently

  173. luis July 31st, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    Blake,

    Too many bad long term deals in the books…

  174. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    Luis, in that first post, I was referring to Montero.

    Everyone’s raving about Gerrit Cole after tonight’s start against Trenton. Grrr. Although Marshall’s had a pretty nice outing and Trenton got the win.

  175. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    *Marshall

  176. blake July 31st, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    Night for real now

  177. luis July 31st, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    YF,

    Could you please tell me in what post you don’t agree with me? I am curious

  178. mick July 31st, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    I know I don’t have any logical explanation other than a slump,
    =========================
    How about their injuries are finally catching up with them?
    Life goes on…good night.

  179. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    Terrible after a yr and a half????
    ///

    SMH

    Must be Francesa

    Or Cashman

  180. luis July 31st, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    Opps sorry YF got it

  181. luis July 31st, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    terrible as a starter?? He was better than Halladay on his first season as a starter

  182. Pat M. July 31st, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    Tricia……Hughes preventd them from getting swept by The BoSox even though he surrendered 3 solo shots……He’s actually stop several losing streaks this season

  183. Nick in SF July 31st, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    “The Giants have Pence, Pagan, Melky, Sandoval, Posey and Belt. They are 6 deep and they all hit for high average accept for Belt.”

    Pagan has dropped off quite a bit since his good start. He’s batting around .275 now and probably won’t be starting as often. We’ll see how the Panda does when he gets back off the DL, but it’s still a much improved lineup from last season’s black hole after black hole.

  184. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    YF and G. Love – thanks.

    It definitely is earnest opinion, and I have been in positions before were I’ve posited opinions that were not in synch with others who were tenacious in their beliefs.

  185. luis July 31st, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    Good night for real this time

  186. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    luis, lol, I didn’t disagree with anything that you posted tonight. I was referring to your oblique reference to Montero and informing you that noticed he was 1 for 2 tonight. If I had disagreed with a post of yours, I would have explained what my disagreement was in detail. ;)

  187. Pat M. July 31st, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    luis…….Ivan will be fine…The key will be how he responds to this in his next outing……Thsi negative crap has become part of the Yankee fan blog environment…….

  188. Against All Odds July 31st, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    Terrible after a yr and a half????
    ///

    SMH

    Must be Francesa

    Or Cashman

    ———————-

    or Seth Everett :facepalm:

  189. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    “How about their injuries are finally catching up with them?
    Life goes on…good night.”

    Also a possibility. And life does indeed go on.

    Pat M – I have faith in Hughes’ ability to do it.

    **********
    Thanks guys. I think I’ll catch some DVRd olympics, where I am pretty sure that some good things will be happening!

    Night all.

    :)

  190. yankeefeminista August 1st, 2012 at 12:01 am

    FTR, Joba was not “terrible” as a starter. He was an evolving SP who had a .632 winning % and a 4.18 ERA.

  191. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2012 at 12:02 am

    Lincecum looking for all the world like a young Magaret Hamilton.

  192. yankeefeminista August 1st, 2012 at 12:06 am

    :arrow:

  193. luis August 1st, 2012 at 12:06 am

    Pat M. July 31st, 2012 at 11:58 pm
    luis…….Ivan will be fine…The key will be how he responds to this in his next outing……Thsi negative crap has become part of the Yankee fan blog environment…….

    ========================

    This is exactly right. I hope they iron out that flying shoulder that is giving him so much trouble. Have a very good night


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