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Postgame notes: “Bad luck”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Jul 31, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I really like Ian Kennedy. I think I got to know him pretty well down in Scranton, and I think he’s a much better guy — and much more humble guy — than he’s sometimes portrayed here in New York. That said, I fully understand why he developed such a reputation, and I fully understand why every reporter in the Yankees clubhouse thought about Kennedy tonight.

Ivan Nova lost a five-run lead tonight. He gave up seven two-out runs in the second inning, allowed a season-high nine runs overall, and was knocked around for his worst start of the season. Joe Girardi explained that Nova had “no fastball command, inconsistent slider, inconsistent curveball.” But to hear Nova tell the story, it was as if he were a part of a different game.

“Bad luck,” he said. “I had a bad day. It was a tough day for me. I threw a lot of good sliders, I threw some good curveballs, I broke two bats and they got base hits. It’s not a good day. … I felt really good and I threw strikes but I gave up 10 hits, nine runs. That’s part of the game. I just have to turn the page.”

The moment was a little too familiar, uncomfortably similar to Kennedy’s postgame interview in 2008 after he allowed nine hits through two innings and seemed to think it was no big deal. That moment stained Kennedy’s reputation the rest of his time with the Yankees.

“I had a bad day,” Nova said. “But I don’t feel that way. I felt really good in that (second) inning, too. I just got hit.”

Nova seemed focused on the fact he threw strikes, walking only one batter after walking six in his previous start. But that’s ignoring the fact he was leading 5-0 with two outs in the second inning, and didn’t get that final out of that inning until the Orioles were leading 7-5.

“He worked his tail end off after he gave up two singles in a row in the second inning to get two outs and two strikes,” Girardi said. “Then threw a slider that didn’t break, and it just kind of snowballed after that. … That’s something that he’s really been good at this year — not letting things unravel. Tonight it did for whatever reason. He just didn’t really have good stuff tonight. As I said, he had no fastball command, his breaking balls were inconsistent. You’d see him throw one good one. You saw him throw a put-away slider to Betemit to strike him out in that inning, and then he throws one that backs up to Reynolds when he’s up 0-2. I can’t tell you why it happens. He’s been really good in those situations. He gets runners on, but the positive thing is when runners have been on he’s been really good for most of the year.

“But he wasn’t tonight.”

• The Yankees have now lost nine of their past 12, and they have their second four-game losing streak in the past two weeks. “We’re not playing well, there’s no doubt about it,” Girardi said. “We’ve been through streaks before where we haven’t played well, and we’ve bounced back. That’s all we need to do.”

• Thing is, if Nova had taken the blame for his outing, most of the stories in tomorrow’s paper might have gone out of their way to point out that the Yankees offense did absolutely nothing after that five-run first. They had six hits in that inning, then five hits the rest of the game.

• What did Orioles starter Chris Tillman do to turn his night around? “Really started mixing his pitches in,” Nick Swisher said. “Really changing speeds, working his ball in and out. I think, there in the first inning, he was in the middle of the plate a lot. And obviously, if you’ve got a guy in the middle of the plate, you’re going to have some success.”

• Remember that first inning, though? That was a lot of fun, wasn’t it? The Yankees batted around in the first and matched their most first-inning runs of the season (it was the third time they scored five in the first). The Yankees have scored 85 first-inning runs this season, more than any other team.

• Robinson Cano hit his 23rd homer in the first inning. The Yankees have now hit a home run in 19 straight games, their second-longest streak at the current Yankee Stadium.

• Ichiro Suzuki has a hit in each of his eight games with the Yankees.

• Derek Jeter went 3-for-5, his 11th game of the season with at least 11 hits, one shy for his total for last season. He is now 6-for-12 in his career against Tillman.

• Nova became the first Yankees starter to allowed nine runs in a start a the current Yankee Stadium. The last time a Yankees starter allowed nine runs at home was Andy Pettitte exactly four years ago (July 31, 2008 against the Angels).

• Joba Chamberlain got to the stadium before the game and played catch in right field while fans went crazy at the sight of him. “I was literally pulling into the parking lot (in Trenton) and Stevie called,” Chamberlain said. “He goes, ‘You might want to turn around.’ My heart started beating fast. I didn’t really look at anything. I had to go to the bathroom really bad, so I had to stop and use the restroom, then turn around and come back.”

• Swisher said his sore hip flexor felt nearly 100 percent today. “It was nice tonight to get out there and move around a little bit (in the field),” he said. “On that swinging bunt I had late in the game, I tried to jump it into that extra gear and it wasn’t quite there yet. But it’s good to know that I’m working towards that. I feel good over there at first base. I’m able to do that with Tex out for a few games, which helps out a lot. And hopefully when he comes back I’ll go back to the outfield.”

• Final word goes to Girardi: “When I look at the games, we’ve been in every game. Tonight was probably the most difficult one just because you get a 5-0 lead with a guy who’s been pretty good for you all year long, and then he gives up seven in the second. That’s tough, but we’ve been in every game, and we’ve pitched pretty well and we’ve played pretty well.”

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134 Responses to “Postgame notes: “Bad luck””

  1. deleonj August 1st, 2012 at 12:06 am

    i’ve never liked Nova’s attitude. Everything that comes out this kid’s mouth screams “I, me, my”. I’ve been saying it since he started his first couple of games. It’s not that you lost the game, it’s that you say the wrong things.

  2. yankeefeminista August 1st, 2012 at 12:07 am

    Not exactly. Nova is always about the team.

  3. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2012 at 12:09 am

    Let’s focus on a shellshocked kid pitcher who doesn’t even speak English as his first language, and decide he’s a loser because he had a different perspective than his manager, who wasn’t pitching.

  4. deleonj August 1st, 2012 at 12:10 am

    mmmh, i really don’t think so. I’m form the DR and I’ve heard this kid talk during the offseason back at home. He really comes along as a person who cares about getting his wins more than getting the team a win. I understand he needs to care about his personal stats and everything but, again, it seems to me that getting the Ws next to his name is more important than anything else.

    i do like, however, that he is very resilient.

  5. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2012 at 12:11 am

    Margaret is pitching fairly well tonight, although he has the bases loaded at the moment with two down, and facing Wright.

    Go Margaret!!!

  6. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2012 at 12:12 am

    He really comes along as a person who cares about getting his wins more than getting the team a win.

    Yeah, bulls***.

  7. yankeefeminista August 1st, 2012 at 12:13 am

    Pruf, he’s back, btw. LF Ronnie Mustelier: 2-3, 1 HBP

    I’ve never heard Nova discuss himself or his stats. He only expresses concern for the team and doesn’t want to let it down. He’s also a great teammate. Not sure where your view of him is coming from.

  8. deleonj August 1st, 2012 at 12:14 am

    He really comes along as a person who cares about getting his wins more than getting the team a win.

    Yeah, bulls***.

    meh, that’s what i think. don’t get me wrong, i do want him to get his Ws, even if not with the yanks, but he rubs me that way :/. Maybe i’m wrong -and i hope i am

  9. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2012 at 12:15 am

    yankeefem – good to hear Mustelier is back. Maybe we should call him up. We need sumpthin.’

    Can’t start a fire without a spark.

  10. deleonj August 1st, 2012 at 12:16 am


    i’ve heard him speak in spanish a couple of times and he sometimes says things that come out as being selfish. They sound selfish. But again, i could be wrong.

  11. yankeefeminista August 1st, 2012 at 12:16 am

    Can we please move Flores up to Trenton?

    CF Ramon Flores: 4-6, 1 R, 1 3B, 1 SB — 11 hits in his last 26 at-bats (.423)

  12. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2012 at 12:17 am


    He knows he good. That’s confidence. He never disparages his teammates, he always says “we won the game, my stats don’t matter” stated in various ways, but always a team first attitude.

    I think you are perhaps confusing confidence with selfishness. I don’t think Nova is in the least a selfish player.

  13. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2012 at 12:18 am

    YF, Trenton has some very interesting bats as it stands. Bring Flores, and even moreso.

    Well, I’m out. Going to watch Melky and Margaret hopefully beat the Mets.

    Have a great night.

  14. yankeefeminista August 1st, 2012 at 12:18 am

    deleon, such as? Please explain. I have never heard him say a selfish word in any interview I’ve heard or Q and A I’ve read, going back for 5 years.

  15. deleonj August 1st, 2012 at 12:21 am


    I’m not questioning his confidence -if anything i like that of him. But again, there are things he has said that rub me in a way that he appears to be selfish to me. Again, he needs to be to a certain extent if he wants to remain where he is

  16. jmirjmir August 1st, 2012 at 12:21 am

    I’m officially out on the ledge right now, and feel like I’m not overreacting!


  17. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2012 at 12:21 am

    Oh and YF: just wanted to say before I leave:

    TG Hughes, Nova and Dellin are all safe (for now).

    Ditto Sanchez, Williams.



  18. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2012 at 12:24 am

    Well deleon,

    He has never shown up a catcher, IF or OF, never displayed body language on the mound to indicate any sense of entitlement or reproach for anyone. Never was petulant toward the manager when taken out.

    So, I don’t know WTH you’re talking about :D

  19. deleonj August 1st, 2012 at 12:25 am

    yankeefemenista..sometimes he starts by saying things like ‘as long as the team wins’ and then responds to other questions with statements that sound more like ‘as long as I keep getting the Ws’ and im paraphrasing here ’cause the words he uses are slang

  20. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2012 at 12:27 am


    they’ll make the playoffs. Anything beyond that is going to have to be pulled off with pitching nigh perfection and a nice dose of good fortune. It could happen.

    But they’ll make it, and the games will be played. The division, I don’t expect them to blow. Are they a great team? No. Is there a great team out there? Probably not. That’s the good news :D.


  21. Cashmoney August 1st, 2012 at 12:28 am

    did not watch the game, but i guess nova pitch lousy, i will skip the psychoanalysis to Freud. anywho, Yanks not playing good balls but are minus few big guns which rendered a flaw lineup even more meek. The championship window are slowly closing on this group imo. I got no problem if Cash deem price is too high for his precious minor leaguerd, the Yanks need some young blood, but this talk smack right in the face of Yankees not in hot pursuit of cepedes or a soler or anyone unknowns that can be had at a fraction of cost if their talent are realized.

    Cash inherited a championship team , he did not build from ground up. I remain skeptical that he can be the chief engineer to rebuild this roster when the time comes. in short, I think Yankees are in limbo with regard to win now and sustaining a bright future.

  22. deleonj August 1st, 2012 at 12:30 am

    But they’ll make it, and the games will be played. The division, I don’t expect them to blow. Are they a great team? No. Is there a great team out there? Probably not. That’s the good news .


    right on. the postseason is so short that anything could happen
    but at least for the regular season the team should be ok…even with these recent bad loses.

  23. Tyler August 1st, 2012 at 12:30 am

    Nova is fearless… he’s having a tough go out of it right now but I think we sometimes forget that the guy is in only his 2nd season as a big league starter. His numbers have been pretty great for a young guy in the AL East. He’ll bounce back.

    I’m not so sure about the lineup… that’s my main concern.

  24. Tyler August 1st, 2012 at 12:33 am

    The Yankees are in a different situation than all other teams in baseball. Rebuilding outright is not an option with the media pressure/ticket prices etc. They really do need to play to win every year even though some years that might not be the greatest option. They still have the 3rd or 4th best record in baseball so this is still a very good team. That being said, I wouldn’t trade a top prospect this year… it will be interesting to see how they keep the farm system together while continuing to play to win. Next year is a huge year for Banuelos and Betances… those two need to stay healthy and produce.

  25. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2012 at 12:33 am

    Wrong side of the bag.

  26. Cashmoney August 1st, 2012 at 12:36 am

    The Yankees are in a different situation than all other teams in baseball. Rebuilding outright is not an option with the media pressure/ticket prices etc.
    you must missed the year 89-95. but sure it comes with price and realistically cash cow YES network would need to field a competitive team to make money. but rebuilding is an option, it’s simple not prefer as money making option. anywho, carry on.

  27. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2012 at 12:36 am

    ight on. the postseason is so short that anything could happen
    but at least for the regular season the team should be ok…even with these recent bad loses.

    The regular season I was never worried about. They’re built to run up wins in the regular season.

    The pitching is markedly better and deeper this year than last, but it will have to operate with very little margin for error.

    They need to be healthy, pitch well, and frankly, get lucky.


  28. Tyler August 1st, 2012 at 12:39 am

    Cashmoney August 1st, 2012 at 12:36 am
    The Yankees are in a different situation than all other teams in baseball. Rebuilding outright is not an option with the media pressure/ticket prices etc.
    you must missed the year 89-95. but sure it comes with price and realistically cash cow YES network would need to field a competitive team to make money. but rebuilding is an option, it’s simple not prefer as money making option. anywho, carry on.

    The Yankees are a completely different organization than 89-95. And from the games I’ve seen from that era, the Stadium was almost completely empty. There is almost zero chance the Yanks willingly go through that again. They would lose so much money that it not even is about pinching pennies…Sure it’s an option. Just not realistic at all.

  29. Tyler August 1st, 2012 at 12:41 am

    The ideal situation for the Yanks is obviously to attempt to gradually get younger while still remaining competitive. It’s not going to be easy in the future. I can’t see them doing a rebuild like Theo is starting in Chicago. Cubs fans are used to this… A lot of Yanks fan would run away.

  30. Cashmoney August 1st, 2012 at 12:47 am

    I went to those games as a kid, yes stadium was empty, and steiner was in exile. The rebuilding phase I speak of is a bit different than burning down the house and start from ground up. Considered Mega contracts NY are obligated it’s not realistic. what is realistic is a few bridging year where team can remain in competituve ( no hard with Selig’s new playoff spot) and start selling of some movable pieces for legit minor league talents. Yanks need a few year to amass talents under the new cba to make their old ways sustainable.

  31. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2012 at 12:47 am

    All they had to do was keep Cabrera and Montero.

    Those two guys would have made the lineup potent: two hit tool types with power. Cabrera hit 18 homers playing in Kaufman as his homepark last year, and Montero has power he hasn’t even tapped into yet. Both are high average type talents.

    So it’s hard to swallow their sob story about how hard it is to “rebuild and win” at the same time. If they can’t recognize talent under their own hood – including entirely misjudging their own pitching talent – then someone else who can needs to take over.

  32. yankeefeminista August 1st, 2012 at 12:55 am

    They traded what was major league ready talent for older players. They let themselves age. That is why there is a gap until the A+ team players arrive. Poor planning and lengthy contracts are the culprit. They could have “won now” with young players. That you can’t have young players and win now isn’t true. Youth and winning aren’t diametrically opposed.

  33. Wang IS Taiwan August 1st, 2012 at 12:56 am

    Nick in SF July 31st, 2012 at 10:17 pm
    When Oriole Pitcher Chen set a new record for strikeouts by a Taiwan-born player at 12, I snapped a picture of the graphic on TV and sent it to a friend of mine in Taiwan. The reply made me a little sad:

    “Ha, you noticed that too. He is now the headline on every newspaper in Taiwan!! You know, almost everyone in Taiwan has forgotten Wang because of his extramarital affair. It left very bad impression. No one called him “Glory of Taiwan” ever. Now the new “Glory of Taiwan” goes to Chen. Haha!”


    It IS sad, Nick. That’s exactly what has happened. Wang is no longer the hero they thought he was — sentiment is definitely on the side of the beautiful wife and son. Cheating is not acceptable — at least from a guy who is supposed to be a hero figure.

    I’m not anywhere as excited about Chen, but it’s great that baseball fans here have someone to cheer for.

    BTW — we’re getting a typhoon evening off from work today. :) Wind/rain aren’t bad yet in Taipei, but Ilan is getting pounded.

  34. yankeefeminista August 1st, 2012 at 12:58 am


    On the bright side, we should at least get everyone back eventually. Although still would have liked a bat with speed that hits RHP, same complaint as last year. We still don’t have one.

  35. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2012 at 1:00 am

    Wang is Taiwan,

    Don’t change your username! :D

    I saw Wang pitch live on Saturday at Trenton. He still has his legions, here and there. Maybe the indifference will give Wang something he hasn’t had: privacy?

  36. yankeefeminista August 1st, 2012 at 1:00 am

    I went out of my way to see Wang pitch on Saturday. I needed to see how he was doing. I hope he finds his way back to the majors soon. I couldn’t care less about his personal life.

  37. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2012 at 1:02 am

    Youth and winning aren’t diametrically opposed.

    Nope. You need some youth to win, generally speaking. At least, you need some guys in or near their prime to pull it off.

    I am really down for the count, now. Margaret with a nice outing, strong changeup. Giants win.


  38. Wang IS Taiwan August 1st, 2012 at 1:03 am


    I won’t — I kind of like being Wang here. ;)

    I’m still a fan of Wang. He made a huge mistake and he’ll have to live with that, but I sure am rooting for his game to come back.

    YF — you didn’t say how Wang pitched — how did we do?

  39. Wang IS Taiwan August 1st, 2012 at 1:04 am

    I do get a little tired of Cash’s trades for bottom of the barrel types. When you have a team that’s close to taking it all, to me, spending the money makes sense.

    We still don’t have a bat that we’ve needed since the season started.

  40. Cashmoney August 1st, 2012 at 1:05 am

    later’all , one the bright side, I bump into new neighbor in the elevator today, she is a looker… the anti suzyn waldman. :D

  41. Wang IS Taiwan August 1st, 2012 at 1:05 am

    Night, Pruf!

  42. Cashmoney August 1st, 2012 at 1:08 am

    Wang’s mistake was getting marry … Later Wang.

  43. yankeefeminista August 1st, 2012 at 1:12 am

    Wang, he wasn’t quite there yet. His location was off at times, and his sinker was erratic. He made some nice pitches but a some of his pitches were up. He gave up 9 hits, two HR and some loud outs. I wasn’t sitting by the radar guns for his start, so don’t know how hard he was throwing.

  44. yankeefeminista August 1st, 2012 at 1:16 am

    Wang also didn’t seem to have the same bite on that curveball he was throwing in ST. He was much sharper earlier in the year when I saw him before the hip injury. So, hopefully, he’ll be better next outing.

    Have a good night!

  45. Wang IS Taiwan August 1st, 2012 at 1:18 am

    G. Love July 31st, 2012 at 10:47 pm
    This isn’t going to just turn around because this offense is incapable of creating runs without the HR. They’ve now decided as a team that is who they are. The only guys trying to get on base via a single is Jeter and Ichiro. No one tries to walk anymore.

    This isn’t rock bottom. Rock bottom is blowing the division lead. I’ll hold my thoughts on that for the time being, but this isn’t just a little slump. This is the team Cashman built. It’s highly talented and heavily flawed. In fact, I’d say this is the most flawed Yankee offense we’ve seen since 1993. They’ve gotten away from everything this team was built on to become a side show of HR derby hitters.

    I only pray we get a new GM someday soon. Our current one has absolutely no feel for how to pick offensive players and build a lineup.

    Defend him all you want, but this is the team he wanted out there. He wanted Ibanez, Swisher, Granderson. The only guy he didn’t want was Arod and he was actually hitting for some average this season.

    The only way we’ll hold on to the division lead is if our pitchers are perfect 3 out of 5 games the rest of the way.


    GLove — nailed it as usual!!

  46. Wang IS Taiwan August 1st, 2012 at 1:20 am


    When I watched him pitch for the Nats on TV here, he didn’t look like a sinkerball pitcher at all. Everything was up and being hit hard. Also walking way too many.

    Thanks for the report. Sounds like he’s still got a long ways to go. The Nats need pitching, so it’s a shame he can’t be the man.

  47. jacksquat August 1st, 2012 at 1:24 am

    Don’t care about the postgame comments.

    But Nova did not pitch well and just get unlucky. He had control but not command. Lots of bad pitches, lots of pitches up, in fact he’s lucky he didn’t give up more runs than he did. Anyway, hopefully he looks better next start.

  48. m August 1st, 2012 at 1:26 am

    Joba and Hughes have always owned up. But they did say stuff like “I felt good…I had good stuff” even though they got torched. It’s like denial/self-defense/shock. But they didn’t say it was bad luck.

    What nova said tonight was not bothersome when put into perspective.

    What I haven’t cared for in the past was his “I deserve to be in the bigs attitude” when he got sent down. Maybe you do, but you gotta bide your time and keep those thoughts to your self.

    In that way, yes, it was a me thing.

    Because looking back now, he’s not as good as he was in his own mind. He hasn’t backed up his words beyond all doubt. He’s no Felix Hernandez. Niva us good, not great.

    But that’s his confidence. Which is good. And he will get smarter on the mound and savvier with the media.

    Let your pitching do the talking. Good or bad, most pitchers undersell themselves. Sometimes they take the blame when it wasn’t even their fault.

  49. Nick in SF August 1st, 2012 at 1:47 am

    Nicely put, m. I appreciate your perspective.

    Wang, I really hope CM Wang can get back to some level of baseball success, I think/hope that could go a long way towards mending his image in Taiwan too, though I don’t really know about that. The USA is all about the comeback story and the redemption, at least for athletes/celebs; I don’t know if that’s the case in Taiwan. I saw some pics of his wife when the scandal broke. Gorgeous.

    I miss typhoon time in Taiwan. I can’t believe it’s been almost 5 years since I was there. Stya dry.

  50. CompassRosy August 1st, 2012 at 1:57 am

    Some rather interesting results from the pitchers on my fantasy team tonight…

    Verlander = 0 points
    Nova = -7.5 points
    Burnett = +37 points


  51. Pat M. August 1st, 2012 at 1:59 am

    Nick in SF……Wang scandal ????

  52. Nick in SF August 1st, 2012 at 2:05 am

    Pat M, it came out earlier this year that Wang had an affair with a bartender while he was rehabbing in Tampa. Major scandal back in Taiwan.

  53. m August 1st, 2012 at 2:26 am

    Thanks, Nick. Appreciate the kind words.

    It’s disappointing that a golden opportunity to stop the slide was wasted. But it’s a turn the page kind of thing.

    When Bruce Chen gets more respect, that’s a pretty big fall from grace. It’s amazing how this little affair turned an entire country on him. Could be the straw that broke the camel’s back. No longer a Yankee and no longer dominant. And a philanderer.

    Speaking of, go Phil!

  54. Nick in SF August 1st, 2012 at 2:45 am

    Not Bruce Chen! That would be awful.

    No, it’s Wei-lin Chen, rookie lefty for the O’s who just set a record for strikeouts by a Taiwan-born pitcher at 12.

  55. m August 1st, 2012 at 3:01 am


    That would have been a good joke…if I had actually known it was the Orioles Chen.

  56. Pat M. August 1st, 2012 at 3:03 am

    Wang Man…….Not good

  57. Pat M. August 1st, 2012 at 5:02 am

    Seems like the Phils were basically trying to give Cliff Lee away for just a few low level type prospects and not one club took the bait………His contract gets crazy in 2015 and 2016, so glad his wife didn’t care for The Stadium and it’s fans……I think he’ll be getting 25 million for the next 3 years ….Even the desperate Texas Rangers passed………Goodnight and good morning to Doreen’s breakfast club…….Hope that GB pops up tomorrow….No response from him on some e-mails sent his way……

  58. Tidrow August 1st, 2012 at 5:31 am

    This team looks old and tired. They need an infusion of youth. When was the last time you saw a player take an extra base on a hit? Jeter and Granderson have stopped stealing bases. How many times are we going to see Ibanez and Jones trudging after balls hit in the gap as if they have a 100 lb. weight strapped to their back? This team needs a spark. Can’t find it by dumpster diving for other teams’ rejects the way Cashman has been doing it the past 2 years.

  59. Villa Nova-Ya August 1st, 2012 at 6:52 am

    Do these beat writers totally ignore body language and the obvious fact that Nova was visibly upset, no matter what the words he said?

    Was it so important to jump to the IPK comparison? AJ “wore his losses?” What choice did he have? He had enough implosions to hone the mea culpas he could have given in his sleep. This was Nova’s worst game by far. Excuse him if he needed to focus on whatever positives he found (which was that he didn’t walk people like he did in Seattle, which to him was an improvement).

    I also don’t see the big deal in the difference in what Girardi and Nova said. Nova said he threw strikes. Girardi said he had no command. It s definitely possible to throw strikes without commanding them. And I wonder where Suzyn Waldman got her information about Nova “admitting” he lost focus with a big lead, because I have NEVER seen or heard that anywhere. I HAVE heard (from Nova’s mouth) that he talked with Freddy Garcia about the idea that when he has no on on base he doesn’t seem to focus as hard as when he does. And then the Media used this sketchy information from Waldman in questioning Girardi, who reacted to the quote, but as an IF he said it, Then, etc., and people go nuts, but Girardi was obviously ticked off after last night.

    It wasn’t just that Nova coughed up the 5 run lead so fast that if you switched the channel at commercial to catch some of the Olympics, by the time you switched back it was a different game you tuned into.

    It was that the offense seemed to totally deflate. In all the prior losses, this team, even though it came up short, kept itself in the game to the end. Tying games, rallying late (even though they came up one or two runs short – two for the win, or one for the tie), they never lost focus and they were never out of games – they never took themselves out of games.

    This was the worst loss of the lot. Because they finally have that offensive outburst, which included hits that were not HRs along with Cano’s HR), and it VANISHED the very next inning. I think they were totally deflated. I thought they’d look up and say, okay, well, that stinks, but it’s only a 2-0 game (basically), we can do this. But it didn’t happen and their at-bats looked incredibly weak after that. I don’t think they did this on purpose. But I think it can happen that you get so elated that you’re smelling a victory with Nova on the mound, and it’s gone before you can even enjoy the feeling.

    About the construction of the lineup and the players they got the last few years? Well, ARod and Tex were different players when they were signed. Tex had power, but he was more all-around. Don’t know where that went (aside from the really heavy shifting that’s now done against him – we’d have to go back in time to see where all his hits were before coming to the Yankees). And they ahve long-term contracts that no matter how much you rail against, are not going anywhere. Frankly, except for Granderson, there is no reason why any of the other guys in the lineup should not be hitting for higher average. They’ve always hit HRs, but they’ve hit better all around in the past. Basically the same team had a much much much better average in situations last year, and with RISP. Cano is on pace for 30 HRs or so, but his average has drooped to hovering around .300, which is low for him, and his Ks are up. They weren’t all or nothing hitters before. Don’t know what’s going on this year. It seems like the more it is written/said that they are HR or nothing, the more they did in their heels. Seems.

    I thnk this is a slump. I think they will right the ship. And I make no correlation between the regular season and the post-season. I’ve witnessed too many disconnects with expectations (not just with the Yankees, but wth so many of the WS winners), to know that anything can happen in the playoffs, any team can get hot, a hot team can go cold. So just so long as they get there.

    Didn’t meant ot get this wordy. Sorry. :(

  60. blake August 1st, 2012 at 7:09 am

    Good post Villa. Good morning!

    The Nova /IPK stuff is hogwash…..English is Nova’s second language……this kid cares…..hes done everything they ask of him…..he has a confidence that is part of what makes him good….

    Stop trying to create a story beat dudes.

  61. GregD August 1st, 2012 at 7:20 am

    where is Shane Spencer when you need him??? Kevin Maas???

  62. Villa Nova-Ya August 1st, 2012 at 7:33 am

    Good morning, blake.

    You know what stinks about Twitter?

    Generally speaking, Marc Carig is a very good beat writer. His column in the NJ Star Ledger is usually very fair-minded and he rarely seems to have a bias or an axe to grind. He also can sometimes be very amusing in his tweets.

    However, the beat writers sometimes use Twitter to goad each other (for lack of a better word) – they work together, they talk about stuff, they have working relationships with one another. So, in a sense, they use Twitter in a more personal way. The problem is, they are simultaneously using Twitter for professional purposes. If you follow the tweets closely, you do see that there is a playfulness among some of the writers (Carig and Feinsand for instance). But if you don’t follow the tweets closely, you can’t possibly know which of the tweets is a personal tweet in an ongoing battle of the tweets between beat writers and which of the tweets is meant as a professional means to impart information.

    I do want to add one thing about the construct of the team. With regard to bench players, in this case you do want an impact bat – someone that can come into the game late and with one swing put the game away or put the team ahead. I think they’ve done well in this regard, and this year the bench more closely resembles the benches of the 90′s teams. But they have also had to have infield players that can spell Jeter and ARod more regularly, so defensive skills become much more important. The 90s teams did not need that particular skillset. The outfield extras were never ever meant to play as much as they are – no one could have seen Gardner missing the entire season. And they really can’t trade anyone off the ML team right now. They would never get the value mid-season that they could after the season is done.

    G Love was right when he said the lineup is no longer circular; he was correct is assessing the types of at-bats that we’re used to seeing. As recently as last year, they did have more of those types of at bats. But the teams of the late 90s and 2000s, offensive juggernauts who worked pitchers, etc., etc., had no better fate in the post season that last year’s team or the 2010 team. At the end of the day, it’s pitching and a key hit or two, along with breaks going your way. And having a better closer than the other team.

  63. Villa Nova-Ya August 1st, 2012 at 7:36 am

    And all that being said, to be short and sweet, the last 2 weeks have been a grind! And not fun at all.

  64. Cashmoney August 1st, 2012 at 7:41 am

    morning all, Yanks are a pretty boring team to watch with bunch dinosaurs roaming about, personally … but they will make the playoff. just read about McGehee, not a bad move for nothing. Alas, no more Pena.

  65. RadioKev August 1st, 2012 at 7:43 am

    blake August 1st, 2012 at 7:09 am
    Good post Villa. Good morning!

    The Nova /IPK stuff is hogwash…..English is Nova’s second language……this kid cares…..hes done everything they ask of him…..he has a confidence that is part of what makes him good….

    Stop trying to create a story beat dudes.

    The language thing is a cop out. Nova’s speaks competent English.

    This is also totally like Nova to respond like this. It falls in line with everything we’ve seen with him. He’s proud and confident. Say what you will about it, but let’s not fudge it.

  66. blake August 1st, 2012 at 7:43 am


    Totally agree about twitter…..its just an informal format that causes people to say things in writing that they normally wouldnt.

    The lineup is what it is…..Id like to know if its like this by design or if its just that they really arent being given money to do anything else……lot of big contracts.

    I would still consider extending Granderson…..but it would be to play LF and I would consider him more of a complimentary piece going forward….the 30+ homers is awesome…..but hes gotta make more contact.

  67. blake August 1st, 2012 at 7:47 am

    “This is also totally like Nova to respond like this. It falls in line with everything we’ve seen with him. He’s proud and confident. Say what you will about it, but let’s not fudge it.”

    Who cares? He also has done whatever the Yanks have asked without complaining…..and even if he speaks fines english its tough to know if hes really saying what he means or if those quotes are being twisted to say something he really doesnt mean. Sounds like to me he basically was saying it was a bad day and hes tryig to move on……

  68. Cashmoney August 1st, 2012 at 7:48 am

    Nova, much ado with nothing, just pitch better next time. I could not give a flying… if he said he pitched the greatest game of his life. but i guess other ppl do.

  69. blake August 1st, 2012 at 7:50 am

    Not that its a “must win” tonight…..but its certainly a need to win……its the difference in a 6.5 game lead and a 4.5 game lead.

    They dont want to let this lead dwindle and they dont need to let Boston back in…..

    Get it done tonight Phil…..

  70. Villa Nova-Ya August 1st, 2012 at 7:51 am

    Okay. So, listened to Girardi’s post game. He actually said Nova’s command was inconsistent. That he had some really good pitches, and then he didn’t. And no fastball command. The actual words out of his mouth and what you read in the reports and tweets are slightly different.

    And Meredith’s question, Nova has said he’s loses focus out there? That’s not what he has talked about – not “losing focus.” Just not seeming to have the same focus with no one on base as he does with men on.

    And as far as last night, it has been a long time since Nova unraveled in tough situations.

    I would expect him to have a much better game next time out.

  71. Villa Nova-Ya August 1st, 2012 at 7:52 am

    Cashmoney -

    Agree it’s much ado about nothing. I just have a thing about reporters not getting it right – or rather, putting their own spin on things.

  72. Cashmoney August 1st, 2012 at 7:57 am

    Villa, gotcha. I don’t have tweeter acct nor do I read much of the Yankee beats. But I do get your point about journalistic integrity. but mostly, integrity has largely gone out of window in deference to sensationalism in order to feed our needs of instant gratification in today’s world… but i regress.

  73. blake August 1st, 2012 at 7:57 am

    Tyler Austin was 4-5 last night….dude keeps on hitting…every level.

  74. Villa Nova-Ya August 1st, 2012 at 8:04 am

    blake -

    I am so torn on Granderson. I love the guy. But he’s certainly not making as much non-HR impact as he needs to and his strikeouts are epic. But man, the whole team seems to swing and miss at such crap pitches (excuse my french) and take pitches right down the middle. They are so out of whack!

    I don’t think you can just blithely say goodbye to 30 HRs a year. But they need better complementary pieces going forward. I don’t rail about the long-term contracts, they are what they are and all the griping in the world won’t change what is. Tex doesn’t bother me so much. But the ARod thing does. Even though in historical context it was nowhere near as bad as it has turned out to be because of the PED stuff and the hip. He is a good enough hitter that he should be able to make adjustments and even if he’s lost some power, he should be able to hit for some average adn get soem RBIs. But the are handcuffed. They were somewhat handcuffed before the CBA, but with the new CBA, they can’t spend around those contracts. And I can’t disagree with them taking on any more long-term contracts right now. I can’t even fault them for being gun-shy with the Cuban guys (though I wish they had signed one of them). I totally get the austerity budget for the next couple of years. And you have to be realistic on what can be replaced and who is contractually expendable.

    But they were counting on the guys they have being able to get the job done for the next 2 to 3 years. And, face it, right now, in spite of the warts, they do sit in first place in the AL East currently. So it’s hard to say they were very wrong in their approach.

    Over the next couple of years there will be a sea change because of the budget. We shall see what we shall see. But to see things in perspective right now – look at the Phillies. The Yankees have not had that happen. Even with all the bumps and trying to rebuild their team and through injuries and a real loss of what ARod was to them, they are still a team in competition for the post-season.

  75. PacoDooley August 1st, 2012 at 8:05 am

    What’s the big issue here? Confidence from a pitcher is a good thing – believing in your stuff allows you to avoid the nibbling and second guessing that gets a lot of pitchers in trouble (I think it was part of why Hughes was not effective for a stretch, even when he was healthy).

    The attitude from IPK never bothered me. He was sent down to the minors and stomped on the competition because he had confidence. He just wasn’t effective at the big league level at times. The last thing I want to see is Nova start to feel like he doesn’t have the stuff to get out batters.

  76. blake August 1st, 2012 at 8:05 am

    YANKEES —Getting Ichiro Suzuki for essentially nothing gives them, at the least, a Brett Gardner clone. They turned a player they picked up for cash, Chad Qualls, into Casey McGehee, a righty bat who can help alleviate some of the sting of losing Alex Rodriguez while being a temporary salve with Mark Teixeira out. Thus, Brian Cashman did what he does in July: made small trades that cost little in dollars or prospects to address shortcomings on the roster. But the Yankees did make a late run yesterday at Ryan Dempster, though they were unwilling to surrender the dollars or level of prospect Texas did (notably third baseman Christian Villanueva) to get the righty. Texas has lost a lot of pitching (Neftali Feliz was the latest with the announcement yesterday he needs Tommy John surgery), and the Rangers are feeling the heat of the Angels and upstart A’s. The Cubs were known to like two of the Yankees’ better low-level position prospects, Dante Bichette Jr. and Angelo Gumbs. We will see if Dempster in Texas matters on the road to the playoffs or in the actual playoffs, especially if the Rangers and Yankees meet.

  77. blake August 1st, 2012 at 8:09 am


    Ideally Id love to sign Granderson to an affordable deal to play LF and hit like 6th in the lineup……I like him a lot as a person and player…..but the Yanks need to be very careful and not give him too much for his mid 30 seasons……those are the deals that are handicapping them now.

    As Ive said….they should offer him a team friendly extension this winter……if he declines they shoukd shop him

  78. austinmac August 1st, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Just as I didn’t question IPK when he commented, I don’t question Nova’s comments. Players have to keep their confidence and move forward. They need to think they are okay.

    This team was worrisome as it was to me when they were winning. I don’t like the absence of solid average hitters. This is only a vision of the future unless real changes are made. Their refusal to spend money(the way they have always done) will be costly.

    Did anyone else hear Paul O’Neill discuss the old days when the owner wanted to win as much as the players and knew help would come at the deadline? Kay was silent in response. He likes his job.

    What a stark contrast. Some of these players, such as Hanley, we’re essentially obtained for only money.

  79. blake August 1st, 2012 at 8:18 am

    “What a stark contrast. Some of these players, such as Hanley, we’re essentially obtained for only money.”

    The prices in prospects for the deals made in general were remarkably low…..Turner was dealt and Joseph was a good player in the Pence deal but overall the sellers didnt get a ton in return……yet the Yanks were content….

  80. Cashmoney August 1st, 2012 at 8:18 am

    mac, that’s the new reality. 189 is plenty if they did not tie up their money already. Yanks need infusion of youthful stars. I see wiggle room after jeter, mo, tex and rod are gone which is a few years away. also, via the same logic tread lightly in giving out mega deals to Cano and Grandy.

  81. Villa Nova-Ya August 1st, 2012 at 8:18 am

    blake -

    I think the Yankees will not offer the years, and we will lose Granderson. They can’t have every position set in stone. I think they will try, but I think they will fail to keep him, if they don’t extend him. I think they will keep Cano, and I think his contract will be a long one, but worth it. The type of player Cano is offensively and defensively doesn’t come around a lot. Sad to say, but OFs are more plentiful.

    If they get the sense that an extension isn’t workable with Granderson, I hope that happens quickly and I hope that if they do decide to trade him they get good players back. What else can you hope for right?

    I was originally thinking they should keep Swisher, but am not as committed to that as I was.

    I do think that they keep Martin around for one more year, though. Martin’s having such an horrendous year that I don’t think there will be many offers on his doorstep.

    I like to think that players like Granderson and Cano (and Swisher to an extent) appreciate the extra exposure their charitable works get because of their being Yankees. And I like to think that that this enters into their decision-making process.

  82. yanks61 August 1st, 2012 at 8:20 am

    We all I agree that Arod’s enormous contract is a huge hindrance to the Yanks going forward.

    Crazy as this may sound (and probably is), could we envisage a scenero where Arod, realizing that his power is greatly diluted and no longer having a chance for the all time HR record, would make a deal with the Yanks to retire (let’s say after next season), foregoing his remaining salary. The Yanks would then hire Arod as special consultant, Asst. GM, or some such thing, and pay him the exact same salary he would have gotten had he continued playing.

    Is there any way BB could disallow such an arrangement?

    Heck, instead of the position, they could even offer him a part of the team worth his remaining salary; they can take it out of Hank’s portfolio :)

  83. Cashmoney August 1st, 2012 at 8:22 am

    yanks want to operate in a brave new world, then they need to do brave new things. trading a player at his peak but on the way down to maximize returns is one practice other teams have done. the trick is to assess that …

  84. Villa Nova-Ya August 1st, 2012 at 8:23 am

    There was no place for Hanley Ramirez here. They are still committed to ARod at 3rd base, even if his games at DH continue to grow. Ramirez is not a part-time player, and it’s not the type of decision you make at mid-season, I think.

    There is not a lot of flexibility here right now. That’s the bottom line. Even if they were free to spend, I’m not sure what they would have done. Because again, it was salary going forward, plus the prospects it would have taken to get some of the better players. And then they’re back in the same cycle they are trying to get out of right now. It is not that there is no commitment to winning.

  85. austinmac August 1st, 2012 at 8:24 am


    Where is this infusion of new stars coming from? The guys in Tampa who are two three years away if all goes well? Hanley might have been an infusion and might others but, alas, they cost money.

    I do understand this is the new reality. I hate it. It remind me of the changes in 1965 when money and not winning became the goal.

    George, for all his faults, felt an obligation to spend as necessary as he felt it was a civic obligation. Hal would rather be investing in horses. I hope they sell.

  86. Villa Nova-Ya August 1st, 2012 at 8:28 am

    And just for the record, George’s spending and throw-caution-to-the-wind attitude did not always ensure a WS victory.

    And with the exception of 2008, the team has gone to the playoffs every year for more than a decade now. They are consistently relevant as a team.

    And given the mandate by Bud Selig for all teams to be equal, I’d say teh Yankees are hanging in there pretty well.

  87. austinmac August 1st, 2012 at 8:28 am

    The larger point is the Yankees will not spend if it affects 2014 or beyond. That limits one’s player options to the old, one year players. Expect to see many like Jones and Ibanez. Some youth movement we have here.

  88. Villa Nova-Ya August 1st, 2012 at 8:30 am

    And I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong, but the dynasty team of the late 90′s was not really put together by George, was it???

  89. Cashmoney August 1st, 2012 at 8:31 am

    Where is this infusion of new stars coming from?
    very good question Mac, via trades at this moment, not going after high potential unknowns like cepedes and soler was mistake imo. Upton is an obvious one, but more so, Yanks need to target near ready ML talents such as a snider or a lawrie and trade away current dispensable peices for it. the goal is amass as many prospect with potential upsides as possible and hope some will stick. It will take a year or two imo, if they choose to go that direction. nothing should be sacred on this roster.

  90. austinmac August 1st, 2012 at 8:31 am

    Nothing insures a World Series. Good players help the odds. Being unwilling to spend to get them is detrimental no matter what optimistism one has. At a critical part of a game, I prefer good hitters to Martin, Nix, Jones etc.

  91. Villa Nova-Ya August 1st, 2012 at 8:32 am

    And George was sometimes short-sighted in the players he set his sights upon.

    It was George who wanted Giambi over re-signing Tino, for instance. Which is the signing I see as the beginning of signing the lastest flavor of the week player.

  92. Villa Nova-Ya August 1st, 2012 at 8:33 am

    Flavor of the week player who wanted to sign with the Yankees “to get a ring.” Who wanted to latch onto the dynasty and benefit, rather than contribute to the dynasty.

  93. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2012 at 8:45 am

    The attitude from IPK never bothered me. He was sent down to the minors and stomped on the competition because he had confidence. He just wasn’t effective at the big league level at times. The last thing I want to see is Nova start to feel like he doesn’t have the stuff to get out batters.

    Pacodooley, well said.

    Who the hell cares what a rookie/young pitcher says to some person with a microphone or pen who’s pushing into their sweaty face off the heat of a game?

    Pitching is ultimately an arcane thing. Don’t people realize reporters run with soundbites – even the print ones – and create entire stories based on them, which they have to turn over in minutes to hit deadlines? By design, it’s not going to be profound and it will be deprived of its shadows and nuances.The players sense this and have been schooled to a certain extent in KISS when speaking to the wolves.

    RadioKev – first language is not a copout, not when people pounce on word choices that may be entirely random for Nova, but fraught with “meaning” projected on them by those outside looking in.

    Blake is right, too, Nova’s been a good citizen and when sent down, dutifully worked his butt off and earned his ticket back to the Bronx, even though he didn’t earn his demotion, which he could have rightfully byatched about, had he been so inclined.

    The crap young pitchers get here for innocently stepping into traps laid for them is ridiculous. The media will force its agenda, when there’s nothing but a void there. That’s how it works.

  94. YES August 1st, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Can you blame Nova for looking at for himself?

    Remember, the Yankees send him back to the minors last season even tough he was pitching much better than Phil Hughes, Cashman’s darling.

    Those type of things make a guy want to look out for himself more than not.

  95. longtimefan August 1st, 2012 at 10:22 am

    Nova’s cavalier attitude after the game was reallty annoying–he stunk the place out and should have admitted it, not try to spin it away, every pitcher goes through a night like that the class guys own up to it, not try to cover it up–CC needs to take this guy aside and have a heart to heart with him–if Girardi has a set he will sit him next start and give it to Phelps then maybe a light will go on for him.

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