Yankeses reportedly connected to Dempster
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 31, 2012 
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A report out of Chicago says the Yankees are among three teams talking to the Cubs about starting pitcher Ryan Dempster. David Kaplan of CSNChicago says the Yankees and Rangers have joined the Dodgers in looking into a deal for Dempster, who has a 2.25 ERA through 16 starts with the Cubs.
Of course, Dempster is also said to be willing to waive his no-trade rights strictly for a trade to L.A.
The Cubs have been busy during the past 24 hours, already sending catcher Geovany Soto to Texas and sending Reed Johnson and Paul Maholm to Atlanta. The Johnson/Maholm trade included former Yankees prospect Arodys Vizcaino, who originally went to Atlanta in the Javier Vazquez/Boone Logan deal.
UPDATE, 10:49 a.m.: Jon Heyman chimes in to say there’s “no evidence” of the Yankees being in on Dempster.
Theo and Hoyer are doing a fantastic job there given what they were handed.
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I have no problem NYY being “in on Dempster” if either it serves to ultimately increase the price on TEX to acquire him, or it serves to free up a pitcher from NYY to trade for a legitimate bat.
The yankees do not need dempster.
Not worth giving anything big for him.
If we can get him for not much,and he takes garcias spot,ok.
We need more hitters hitting closer to .300,who are tough outs,and good obp,with good splits,not hitters that are bad against rh pitching.
Yankeses reportedly connected to Dempster
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don’t we need a bat ??
It might have to include Soriano with Dempster, plus $$$$, for the first team to step up for both to make a deal happen, or the Cubs will just keep Dempster and give him a qualifying offer to get a compensation pick.
Lots of money involved for both:
Lot of money owed Dempster and Soriano!
Remainder Dempster’s $14M
This is Soriano’s:
10-14:$18M annually
full no-trade clause
award bonuses: $0.25M for top vote-getter in All-Star balloting, $0.35M for World Series MVP, $0.25M for LCS MVP, $0.3M for MVP, $75,000 for Gold Glove
perks: suite on road trips, 6 premium tickets for each home game (spring training – post-season) and All Star Game (if Soriano is selected)
Soriano to donate $25,000 annually to both United Way & Cubs Care
Now I really have to go!!
David Kaplan of CSNChicago says the Yankees and Rangers have joined the Dodgers in looking into a deal for Dempster, who has a 2.25 ERA through 16 starts with the Cubs.
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2.25 ERA? Pfft! Dumpster!
I’m sure that his ERA would bump up a bit in the AL East, but he’d be a nice arm to compliment Sabathia or Kuroda. He’s out pitching them as of now, and we don’t have to worry about future regression – he’s a rental.
Also,there is no way cano is getting 10 years from us.
Cano,and granderson need to be traded in the offseason for a 3b,cf,and a few more top prospects/players.
And I think Alfonso Soriano would be a bit much. We’ve all ready got a Ibanez/Jones for our all or nothing bench players. Not sure he’d really help that much.
RadioKev July 31st, 2012 at 10:17 am
And I think Alfonso Soriano would be a bit much. We’ve all ready got a Ibanez/Jones for our all or nothing bench players. Not sure he’d really help that much.
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The Cubs are determined to dump him though.. the speculation about Sori is born from the notion that the Cubs are trying to package him with Dempster.
RadioKev July 31st, 2012 at 10:12 am
Wonder if we had let Melky stay and continue to develop what we would have today or Ajax.
Now we have HR or K Granderson.
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Melky wouldn’t have developed like that. He needed to hit rock bottom, and he still has maturity issues.
Granderson’s been better over the course of three years than A Jax.
Phelps is a total unknown quantity. Shiny new toy syndrome.
Nova’s got to compete for his playoff spot. He’s an average pitcher right now. He’s got to step it up or lose it.
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And what has Ryan Dempster done in the playoffs, he is a lifetime National Leaguer with a 4.31 ERA adn 1.43 WHIP.
Color me unimpressed by a career season in his peripheral numbers.
Granderson is a HR or K player, he has 8 steals on the season, he will likely reach 200 K’s and 19 of his 28 HR’s are solo shots. His defensive rating is -16.
I would take Melky and Ajax in a heartbeat as a young outifield combo.
But its done so cannot be undone.
My statement is more for your willingness to see Nova parted with for what you think is a quick fix for a guy 10 years older.
for a guy with ridiculous high whip in his career, dh and al east will killl dempster. regression will happen when he steps into American league. just an opinion. unless cash is getting 2 for price of one in soriano and lots cash assistance, i fail to see the point of this move.
dempster will be garbage in the AL
ron July 31st, 2012 at 10:17 am
Cano,and granderson need to be traded in the offseason for a 3b,cf,and a few more top prospects/players.
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Why does ron want to see me cry??
Can Dempster hit?
J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2012 at 10:15 am
Would you rather, cheap, under control for years to come Melky and Austin Jackson or Granderson and Javy Vazquez.
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Well, I sure as hell’d rather have Melky and Vizcaino than Logan and a second tour with Javy.. but the talent “evaluators” didn’t agree…
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Yep, pretty much and we are where we are today.
All I heard about was Austin Jackson in the minors, guy never got a shot.
People are easily deceived by Granderson’s HR’s but don’t seem to realize other parts of his game has fallen off.
Defensively he is one of the worst outfielders in baseball with a -16 UZR, second to last to Lucas Duda.
He has 8 stolen bases all season
He is building a wind farm with his K’s every night, 19 in his last 41 at bats, terrible for a #2 hitter in the order. Yankees cannot even trust putting him lower down in the order because he K’s so much and would chase slop with men on base more.
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J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2012 at 10:22 am
Melky wouldn’t have developed like that. He needed to hit rock bottom, and he still has maturity issues.
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Melky Cabrera was clearly pointed in the up direction off of 2009. The manager himself said that his rise from the right side of the plate was the key reason he won the CF job that season.
He hit .274, and .298 with RISP for the Yankees that year, and was a key bat in the ALCS against the Angels off a .391 BA.
He bottomed out in Atlanta because he was crushed at getting dealt. He righted himself and has accounted himself a superb hitter from both sides of the plate now for over a year and a half.
The “he would have sucked as a Yankee” meme is more garbage to stroke the front office. They got a crap starter and a LOOGY for a guy who his hitting .400 vs. LHP and well over .300 against RHP. They also gave up Vizcaino.
The trade sucked, and it was made, in part because of another huge misdiagnosis: they “needed” Javy because they folded on Chamberlain as a starter.
Error in judgment, after error in judgment.
Don’t see how acquiring Dempster makes any sense at all. Not going to happen.
I seriously have to wonder if Cashman even watches current Yankees games or if he watches “Yankees classics” every night.
Dempster has two playoff appearances and has 5.2 IP. He doesn’t play for the Yankees, he plays for the Cubs. Playoff stats are mostly useless.
You can’t just say “I’d rather have this player” “now that they’re productive.” Austin Jackson was awful last season, worse than Granderson now. Granderson has outproduced him by a WIDE margin.
Melky was also a trash player for the Braves. He’s had two good seasons since, and he’s now set up to be wildly overpaid.
I’m not a Nova hater, I just think some folks here are completely delusional about the guy. A golden boy. Never mind his average season. Never mind his middle of the rotation projection throughout his whole career. Do I think he can step it up? Yeah, but he has to do it.
its also possible that the Yanks are in on Dempster to try and drive up the price for the Rangers, as has been suggested on twitter by a couple of people.
No problem trading ajax for granderson,with granderson being 6 years older,making 9.5 million more,and ajax has a better ba,obp,ops,about 10 less rbi.
Now we are going to lose granderson,or sign him at 32-33 yrs old.
Talk about quick fix.
Error in judgment, after error in judgment.
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Never mind that he’s in far better shape than he ever was as a Yankee, and he’s totally dedicated himself to the sport now. Nope.
ron July 31st, 2012 at 10:28 am
No problem trading ajax for granderson,with granderson being 6 years older,making 9.5 million more,and ajax has a better ba,obp,ops,about 10 less rbi.
Now we are going to lose granderson,or sign him at 32-33 yrs old.
Talk about quick fix.
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MVP to Zero. All in a New York Minute.
Cano,and granderson need to be traded in the offseason for a 3b,cf,and a few more top prospects/players.
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Mo would be an excellent trade chip! Oh no, the unfathomable! oh yeah, also throw jeter in there, though i think he has no trade clause, needs capt approval.
I also see how Cash keeps saying we want a defensive 3b. We have PENA for that. We need offense, not a defensive 3b that may or may not be able to hit.
The “he would have sucked as a Yankee” meme is more garbage to stroke the front office.
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That always is the Yankees defense when they get rid of someone. Cashman flat out said to Mike that Kennedy wouldn’t be doing this here because his “skill set” isn’t conducive to the AL East. Uh, then why did you draft him in the 1st round lol.
When Joba becomes a beast starter for another team, they’ll use that same defense.
I was no fan of the Vasquez deal either but it wasn’t because they traded Cabrera. Didn’t see Vasquez as a solution at all.
Sometimes, young kids need a righteous kick in the ass to take their careers seriously.
It appears Melky got his after the trade (and terrible season in ATL) and Joba got his after the TJ surgery and subsequent ankle injury.
RadioKev July 31st, 2012 at 10:28 am
Error in judgment, after error in judgment.
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Never mind that he’s in far better shape than he ever was as a Yankee, and he’s totally dedicated himself to the sport now. Nope.
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And that he’s in a contract year. And that the Braves were so disappointed in him they just outright cut him loose.
Granderson is a highly, highly flawed player. Signing him from ages 33 on with his long swing and 200 strikeouts is just asking for trouble. It is the easy way out to re-sign him though, so the Yanks will probably do it.
Dempster has two playoff appearances and has 5.2 IP. He doesn’t play for the Yankees, he plays for the Cubs. Playoff stats are mostly useless.
@ RadioKev July 31st, 2012 at 10:27 am
You can’t just say “I’d rather have this player” “now that they’re productive.” Austin Jackson was awful last season, worse than Granderson now. Granderson has outproduced him by a WIDE margin.
Melky was also a trash player for the Braves. He’s had two good seasons since, and he’s now set up to be wildly overpaid.
I’m not a Nova hater, I just think some folks here are completely delusional about the guy. A golden boy. Never mind his average season. Never mind his middle of the rotation projection throughout his whole career. Do I think he can step it up? Yeah, but he has to do it.
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That’s my point though, Dempster has not been tested in the bright lights of New York, and looking at his overall career, I see nothing impressive that I would give away a young, quality starter for.
Ivan Nova is 25, its the same kind of mentality that made us deal away Ajax and Melky, for the quick fix.
Granderson’s K rate has become insufferable to watch, the worst thing for him was hitting all those HR’s, it seems he has fallen in love with them.
He has 11 doubles all season, Ichiro has more than that. I mentioned how much Granderson’s defensive has fallen off, the second to last worst defensive outfielder in the majors behind Lucas Duda of the Mets.
Sometimes HR’s can be a double edged sword, guys fall in love with hitting them and other facets of their game struggle at the plate.
People are easily deceived by Granderson’s HR’s but don’t seem to realize other parts of his game has fallen off.
Defensively he is one of the worst outfielders in baseball with a -16 UZR, second to last to Lucas Duda.
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MacFan, I entirely disagree about Granderson’s fielding. Is he as good a CF as AJax? No, but then I don’t believe there is a OF in the American League who is as good as AJax (BJ has the talent, but is too enigmatic at times).
The UZR ratings on Granderson are way off. The misplay in the Red Sox series, especially on anything over his head, was an extreme anomaly. Granderson is smooth going back, which is why the Yankees allow him to play such a shallow CF.
For all his speed, it should be noted that Gardner, when he played CF, was not permitted to play a shallow one. Why? Because he does not go back well, in spite of his excellence coast to coast.
Granderson’s over swinging has been an issue, however. He seems to be a caricature of himself of late. I do think, though, that because of the decline of the lineup, everyone is in homer happy mode. For a guy like him, who is prone to big swings, it isn’t a surprise. This is where Kevin Long needs to earn his money: have these guys dial back on that, especially Granderson, who has shown he can shorten his swing when he applies himself, and who has too much bat speed to justify getting so long. Ichiro’s swing yesterday on the HR should be required viewing for Yankee hitters, especially LHB.
Shame Spencer :
I know,but there is simply no way we should even remotely come close to ten years for cano,at almost 32 years old,after his 2013 option year.
Cano,and boras feel cano is underpaid,and has been,and wan’t their money.
Not looking good.
His best years will be behind him,and it would be a terrible move.
I’d trade him for at least 2 elite prospects/players.
Maybe a 3b,o.f.,and i’d try to get a 3rd prospect/player.
I think it can be done.
Then you trade granderson for a few more to replace cf,2b,then fix 3b,and an outfielder,maybe get lucky,and get another o.f.,or pitcher.
if the yankees keep losing Im goin to start only watchin yankee classics…they arelike 538-0 in those games
Jayson Stark and Heyman have both shot this down. Yanks aren’t interested. Made no sense anyway.
RadioKev July 31st, 2012 at 10:29 am
ron July 31st, 2012 at 10:28 am
No problem trading ajax for granderson,with granderson being 6 years older,making 9.5 million more,and ajax has a better ba,obp,ops,about 10 less rbi.
Now we are going to lose granderson,or sign him at 32-33 yrs old.
Talk about quick fix.
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MVP to Zero. All in a New York Minute.
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Well you want to part ways with Nova or see him as expendable even at 25 years of age, so aren’t you doing the same thing except with a younger guy who is under team control for years to come.
Id trade granderson but no way on cano
Granderson’s K rate has become insufferable to watch, the worst thing for him was hitting all those HR’s, it seems he has fallen in love with them.
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Where’s the proof? Hasn’t he said for three years now that he doesn’t consider himself a HR hitter? Hasn’t he said he’s not happy about his strike out numbers?
No, the answer is that he’s got a huge hole in his swing and he’s not particularly good with the outside part of the plate or with breaking pitches. He’ll crush a fastball inside or in the middle of the plate.
Project away onto the guy. That’s my biggest pet peeve in the sport. It’s all about some over arching morality on these guys.
The phrase is “dumpster diving”, Mr. Cashman, not “Dempster diving.”
Well you want to part ways with Nova or see him as expendable even at 25 years of age, so aren’t you doing the same thing except with a younger guy who is under team control for years to come.
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Find me the quote where I said I want to part ways with Nova. You love saying it so much.
I know,but there is simply no way we should even remotely come close to ten years for cano,at almost 32 years old,after his 2013 option year.
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good point.
If everything – and I mean everything – goes right for him then maybe, someday down the line, Austin Jackson might be as good as Curtis Granderson.
RadioKev July 31st, 2012 at 10:28 am
Error in judgment, after error in judgment.
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Never mind that he’s in far better shape than he ever was as a Yankee, and he’s totally dedicated himself to the sport now. Nope.
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Interesting, isn’t it, that the Yankees are dropping little bombs about Cabrera’s “drinking” and other assorted stabs in the back. Didn’t Cashman also call Kennedy an “NL pitcher”?
Seems to me, they are very invested in trying to trash guys they get rid of. What they fail to realize is, they make themselves look like they can’t handle mentorship at all, that if a player has any maturity issues, they just run up the white flag and hand him over to someone else.
Time to get some people in here who understand that “development” means more than building high-end hotels and parking lots in the South Bronx.
Dempster to NY is not happening. My guess is that the NYY are connected to another player and are pressuring that team to pull the trigger. So they float a trade rumor out there to put on the pressure on the mystery team.
They could use Soriano if he came really cheaply, but they are not adding that salary. I imagine you could get the Cubs to eat £10m annually on that contract. Maybe Texas takes Dempster and Soriano and eats a lot of the latters contract, providing the financial freedom that Theo needs during his rebuilding quest.
One last push for both King Felix and Justin Upton. The Yankees have a great relationship with both teams. Get it done Cashman!
Doc Iac July 31st, 2012 at 10:38 am
Id trade granderson but no way on cano
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Trade Cano?
Just close down the Stadium, boys.
“CountryClub July 31st, 2012 at 10:37 am
Jayson Stark and Heyman have both shot this down. Yanks aren’t interested. Made no sense anyway.”
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Whew, thank God.
Even if it means the Yankees get bumped in the first round, I would take my chances with the starters we have.
Looking down the road I would love to see a rotation of
CC
Pineda
Nova
Hughes
Phelps
with Banuelos working his way up.
What needs to be improved on this team is getting the offense younger where it can be done.
Let Granderson and Swisher go and use their money for younger offensive players.
This lineup has to get younger.
The starters are set for years to come, especially if Pineda is back healthy.
Seems to me, they are very invested in trying to trash guys they get rid of
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Seems to me you don’t want to admit that Melky Cabrera is in way better shape than he ever was as a Yankee, which probably points to some type of renewed dedication to his craft.
It’s about doing what is smart.
With arod,we can’t repeat it with cano.
If cano will do a 4 year/95 million dollar contract,or a 4/100,i’d pass.
I probably would do a 5th year for cano,but that is it.
If done right,the yankees can rebuild using cano,and granderson,in addition to the farm system.
For cano,i wan’t an elite 3b prospect,and an elite cf prospect.
Granderson,i wan’t an elite 2b prospect,then maybe an o.f.,ss,pitcher.
I think both can land us 2 elite prospects at 3b,2b,cf,o.f.
Now you are replacing cano,and granderson,and fixing 2 positions,in addition.
Potentially of course.
Anyone interested in Torrealba as a potential upgrade over Stewart? I suspect the two are similar enough with a bat that the team would prefer to keep the guy that at least knows the staff at this point in the season.
The Dempster rumors could just be the Cubs floating it around to try and pressure the Dodgers. But lets say the Yanks do get him would anyone trade Hughes for Upton?
J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2012 at 10:42 am
Doc Iac July 31st, 2012 at 10:38 am
Id trade granderson but no way on cano
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Trade Cano?
Just close down the Stadium, boys.
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i said i would NOT trade cano. Granderson i would for the right deal, not knockin him but he will be expensive to keep and tradin him might make more sense.
4time July 31st, 2012 at 10:31 am
The “he would have sucked as a Yankee” meme is more garbage to stroke the front office.
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That always is the Yankees defense when they get rid of someone. Cashman flat out said to Mike that Kennedy wouldn’t be doing this here because his “skill set” isn’t conducive to the AL East. Uh, then why did you draft him in the 1st round lol.
When Joba becomes a beast starter for another team, they’ll use that same defense.
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That just shows you what Cashman knows about pitching. I’m not mourning the loss of Kennedy per se, but that kid can pitch. You’re right, Joba’s going to start somewhere else and break our hearts, unless Rothschild can convince them to give it another try, assuming that would be his take. He’s worked extremely well with Joba, which gives me hope they may try it again in 2013.
@ RadioKev July 31st, 2012 at 10:38 am
Granderson’s K rate has become insufferable to watch, the worst thing for him was hitting all those HR’s, it seems he has fallen in love with them.
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Where’s the proof? Hasn’t he said for three years now that he doesn’t consider himself a HR hitter? Hasn’t he said he’s not happy about his strike out numbers?
No, the answer is that he’s got a huge hole in his swing and he’s not particularly good with the outside part of the plate or with breaking pitches. He’ll crush a fastball inside or in the middle of the plate.
Project away onto the guy. That’s my biggest pet peeve in the sport. It’s all about some over arching morality on these guys.
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Proof lies in the fact that he is on pace for 200+ K’s. What more proof do you need.
That would be the worst strikeout total for his career, and comes after a 40 HR season, coincidence. You do the math.
He wouldn’t be the first player to fall in love with hitting HR’s.
Can you recall the last time you saw Granderson go to left field or up the middle, think about it.
“But lets say the Yanks do get him would anyone trade Hughes for Upton?”
Sure…..but itd take more than Hughes though most likely.
i said i would NOT trade cano. Granderson i would for the right deal, not knockin him but he will be expensive to keep and tradin him might make more sense.
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Yes, I know you did. My incredulity was a tack-on, empathetic incredulity. Trading Cano, or worse, letting him walk, is unthinkable.
Again with these rumors of defensive 1B and 3B. We need OFFENSE not DEFENSE!!!!!
“But lets say the Yanks do get him would anyone trade Hughes for Upton?”
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Yes Sir, in a NJ minute! I will kick in Blake for good measure.
“RadioKev July 31st, 2012 at 10:39 am
Well you want to part ways with Nova or see him as expendable even at 25 years of age, so aren’t you doing the same thing except with a younger guy who is under team control for years to come.
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Find me the quote where I said I want to part ways with Nova. You love saying it so much.”
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You seem to hint that because at 25 and he is no ace that its no big deal to make him more than what he is an average starter.
I for one am tired of seeing our young guys not get a shot, enough.
Let the guys play and develop. The quick fix is so tiring.
ron – I dunno if they’ll go 10 years for Cano either… but they can’t wait until he’s an FA to figure out what his parameters are. My guess? Cano gets $225-250 million over 10 years. That’s the reality of what the Yanks are looking at. If they don’t think he can get that much or they don’t think they can afford it they need to get at least 3 MLB ready guys in a trade for him.
(Did you hear that sob? That was me as I typed the word ‘trade’…I still think we hang onto Robbie though. If for no other reason than he’s been one of the few home grown guys the Yanks like to point at to say, ‘see! we know what we’re doing!’)
This price tag seems too high to me…..
JonHeymenCBS
#Yankees and #Phillies talking. Wigginton to Bx to help fill in during the A-Rod/Tex injuries. Hearing Nova to Phils. Waiting confirmation.
Ken_Rosenthal
#Indians have talked about Masterson, C. Perez, Choo – and a bunch of other things, too. Unlikely to make a move at this moment
If the Yankees were/are truly “in” on Dempster that would indicate to me that there are serious concerns about if/when Pettitte will return beyond the 9/1 ETA.
If Pettitte will be back there really is no need for Dempster because the Yankees would have a solid 4 man rotation for the post season — CC, Andy, Kuroda, Nova/Hughes.
Blake,
I should have written Hughes in a package for Upton. I would like to hold on to Mason and Sanchez if Hughes is included but anything goes after those two
J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2012 at 10:48 am
i said i would NOT trade cano. Granderson i would for the right deal, not knockin him but he will be expensive to keep and tradin him might make more sense.
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Yes, I know you did. My incredulity was a tack-on, empathetic incredulity. Trading Cano, or worse, letting him walk, is unthinkable.
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Yankees are not letting Cano walk. Cano’s not getting an Albert Pujols offer – more likely Matt Kemp’s latest contract is a good comp for Robbie – the Yankees, even with the $189 looming, are not going to have trouble fitting that in.
Setting a budget does not all of a sudden make the Yankees the A’s people. It just means that you can’t expect every shiny toy on the market to wind up in the Bronx.
J. Alfred Prufrock :
If cano hits fa,and you see his,and boras demands,you will be screaming for him to be traded also.
If we can sign him to something that makes sense,and it is smart,fine,but if cano,and boras try to recuperate lost money,no way.
J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2012 at 10:22 am
So true & now they need a RH Bat after another error in judgement! Jesus!
this team has no clue. guess we are being punished for arod and tex and cc contract. im all for not making a trade for sake of making trade but this team need help. and now i read they might look at overbay or wigginton? really? wow id ont get it
Pat,
Thats a fake account, real one is Jon HeymAn
pat July 31st, 2012 at 10:51 am
This price tag seems too high to me…..
JonHeymenCBS
#Yankees and #Phillies talking. Wigginton to Bx to help fill in during the A-Rod/Tex injuries. Hearing Nova to Phils. Waiting confirmation.
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Yeah, Ivan Nova for Ty Wiggington is off – as is the spelling of Heyman in that twitter tag.
RadioKev July 31st, 2012 at 10:44 am
Seems to me, they are very invested in trying to trash guys they get rid of
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Seems to me you don’t want to admit that Melky Cabrera is in way better shape than he ever was as a Yankee, which probably points to some type of renewed dedication to his craft.
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Nope, what I said was, the Yankees with their disavowal of young players point up their “don’t look at us” ineptness when it comes to development of young talent.
Cabrera was in good enough shape to play CF and become a line drive hitter from both sides of the plate that year, and with a season high 13 HRs as well. The idea that he was some beerlogged loafer doesn’t wash, because I watched him play live all year.
It’s more Yankee apologist nonsense. Every player they get rid of was somehow tainted and unable to be mentored. It insults people’s intelligence, and it’s getting really tired.
pat July 31st, 2012 at 10:51 am
This price tag seems too high to me…..
JonHeymenCBS
#Yankees and #Phillies talking. Wigginton to Bx to help fill in during the A-Rod/Tex injuries. Hearing Nova to Phils. Waiting confirmation.
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Eh, it would hurt, but Wigginton is a good player and fills a need. Nova can be replaced by Phelps. Have to give something good to get something though
TIme to get on with the day.
My hope: they don’t do something stupid.
Later.
This price tag seems too high to me…..
JonHeymenCBS
#Yankees and #Phillies talking. Wigginton to Bx to help fill in during the A-Rod/Tex injuries. Hearing Nova to Phils. Waiting confirmation.
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How does that make any sense?
RayVT July 31st, 2012 at 10:53 am
J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2012 at 10:22 am
So true & now they need a RH Bat after another error in judgement! Jesus
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Given his performance thus far this season I reckon that even if they hadn’t trade Montero there would still be cries for an additional RH bat.
Nova to the Phils?
Macfan,
You’re crazy if you think Granderson has “fallen in love with hitting home runs” and that’s why he’s striking out. Your logic is right around “Lamarckism.” It’s easy and seems to make sense on the surface, but it’s just silly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamarckism
Granderson isn’t a high average hitter. He’s aging, he’s not great at covering the outside part of the plate, and the league has adapted to him after a MVP-type season.
pat July 31st, 2012 at 10:51 am
This price tag seems too high to me…..
JonHeymenCBS
#Yankees and #Phillies talking. Wigginton to Bx to help fill in during the A-Rod/Tex injuries. Hearing Nova to Phils. Waiting confirmation.
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LOL, not even Brian Cashman could be that stupid to trade Ivan Nova for a .230 hitting, 9 HR, stop gap Ty Wiggington.
Cmon. I know Cashman has his faults but did the Philly GM drug him and have nake photos of Cash and that stalker woman.
Wiggington is terrible…..if Cashman trades Nova for Wiggington then I will lead a mutiny
Nova for Ty Wigginton? This I do not approve of.
Please do not trade nova for a .236,34 year old player.
Insane.
Tex will be back soon.Stick with what we have.
NOVA ??????
I smell platoon: http://www.baseball-reference......2&t=b
JonHeymenCBS
#Yankees and #Phillies talking. Wigginton to Bx to help fill in during the A-Rod/Tex injuries. Hearing Nova to Phils. Waiting confirmation.
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Heyman doesnt spell his name Haymen. Seems fake.
Cash has gone all in on the platoons this year, eh?
Relax people, that is FAKE.
Yankees arent trading Nova.
What is it with the Yankees and players in their mid-to-late 30s? Are we seriously saying there is no one out there in their mid-20s who might be able to help this team? You know, something outrageous like bunting, moving a runner over or stealing a base?
Sorry. It was forwarded to me. Should have checked before posting.
If they trade Nova to Philly then Pence and Ruiz better be coming back.
Nova to the Phils inna Wigginton deal??? NO WAY, unless it’s a 3Way and Upton comes to the Yankees. Wigginton is NOT worth anything close to a 3 Slotter.
If the Yanks are in on anything, it should be offense. So what if Pettitte does Not make it back? Girardi went with a 3 Man rotation thru the Playoffs in “09″. Yanks need offense, not SP’s. Dempster to the Yanks makes NO sence.
Thought Pitt getting Snider was genius.
Makes sense though since Nova is starting tonight so he can start in Philly tonight. Again, not in love with this potential trade, but don’t hate it. Wigginton is good and fills a need
Heyman doesnt spell his name Haymen. Seems fake.
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Good call ac1
You people are so quick to jump on rumors you dont even see that wasn’t Heyman tweeting. That was a fake tweet from someone who misspelled Heyman’s name….
So relax!
blake July 31st, 2012 at 11:00 am
If they trade Nova to Philly then Pence and Ruiz better be coming back.
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It was a fake twitter feed. The account was Heymen – he spells his name HEYMAN
As Elaine Benes once said: “FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE!”
Oh…crisis averted.
Its a fake.account….nobody will ever trade Nova for Wigginton…come on guys
LOL @ “JonHeymenCBS”
Are there really people out there who make up false accounts of these guys just to do this.
It takes all types in the world I guess.
I wouldn’t give up anything more than Corbin Joseph for Wigginton. A double-digit winning starting pitcher who is cheap? Absurd.
The thought that the Yanks may want Dempster could be true if indeed they plan on trading Nova as a way to get a legitimate stick. That was my first thought when I read Dempster & Yanks as a possibility.
Um,, it would more than hurt. A solid young pitcher who is always improving and is cheap for TY WIGGINGTON? You dont do that trade, EVER. That would end up being one of those worst trades of all time that people talk about for decades.
Glad its a fake account.
the way cash functions now, no way he would actually trade nova.
hughes maybe, garcia definitely, but not nova.
Common sense should have told you that it was fake. The rumor was not believable at all in the any way. They’re going to trade their 24 yr old #3 starter with 4 yrs of control left for a freakin 35 yr old, .650 OPS backup 3rd baseman who is a FA?
I do not understand why the Mets are keeping Hairston. When you look at what Reed Johnson and Paul Maholm brought back to Chicago the Mets could easily get a decent prospect back for Scott.
“Tank July 31st, 2012 at 11:05 am
Common sense should have told you that it was fake. The rumor was not believable at all in the any way. They’re going to trade their 24 yr old #3 starter with 4 yrs of control left for a freakin 35 yr old, .650 OPS backup 3rd baseman who is a FA?”
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ROFL, with deals like that every GM would be ringing down Cashman’s phone.
Hal is considering trading his 2012 model Ferrari for a 2013 today#staytuned.
Trading Nova for a Stick, and then getting Dempster and he walks at seasons end??? DUMB
even if the feed was fake….Wiggington still stinks and they shouldn’t trade for him
“Trading Nova for a Stick, and then getting Dempster and he walks at seasons end??? DUMB”
depends on which stick
blake July 31st, 2012 at 11:08 am
even if the feed was fake….Wiggington still stinks and they shouldn’t trade for him
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I’d maybe trade Corban Joseph for him if Tex was out for an extended period of time.
Well, the Mets hung onto Reyes and watched him walk. The Mets have been punch-drunk for several years following their absolute collapse in Sept.
How bout Corban Joseph and Adam Warren to Mets for Scott Hairston?
Wiggington really can’t play 3B….he’s a 1B that people stick all over the place for some reason.
Would Yorvit Torrealba be an upgrade over Martin? He’s been DFA’d.
Hughes should be dealt for a stick, NOT Nova.
“Hughes should be dealt for a stick, NOT Nova.”
depends on who we are talking about…..Nova might get you a better bat than Hughes. I wouldn’t trade either of them unless it’s a significant upgrade
DONNYBROOK July 31st, 2012 at 11:10 am
Hughes should be dealt for a stick, NOT Nova.
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The anti-Hughes rhetoric is SO last year.
“Hughes should be dealt for a stick, NOT Nova.”
This. Makes no sense at all to trade the guy with 4.5 years of service team over the guy with 1.5 years of service time.
Would Yorvit Torrealba be an upgrade over Martin? He?s been DFA?d.
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Comet … you’d be an upgrade over Martin ! …… Martin SUCKS !
Stop talking about Wigginton….
The tweet was FAKE
“This. Makes no sense at all to trade the guy with 4.5 years of service team over the guy with 1.5 years of service time.”
sure….unless Tower or the Rockies call and say we’ll give you Justin Upton or CarGo for Nova not Hughes.
I dont think anyone is untouchable…it just depends who is coming back in the trade
I like the way Towers has backed away from Not dealing Upton at the 11th hour. Who did he and the Owner think they were talkin’ to? Goober and Gomer?
“This. Makes no sense at all to trade the guy with 4.5 years of service team over the guy with 1.5 years of service time.”
sure….unless Tower or the Rockies call and say we’ll give you Justin Upton or CarGo for Nova not Hughes.
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Unless the guy with 1.5 years of service time is better, which he is.
Sure it was a fake tweet, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be added to the list of heinous Cashman grievances.
RayVT July 31st, 2012 at 10:53 am
J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2012 at 10:22 am
So true & now they need a RH Bat after another error in judgement! Jesus!
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The mother of all erring judgments
Have a good one, Ray et al
“Unless the guy with 1.5 years of service time is better, which he is.”
I don’t know that he’s better enough to discount the service time difference.
Nick in SF July 31st, 2012 at 11:15 am
Sure it was a fake tweet, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be added to the list of heinous Cashman grievances.
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And Heyman grievances
Nova inna Cargo deal??? YES Nova inna Utpon??? NO. Hughes inna Upton. YES
That’s right, heinous Cashman grievances and groovy Heyman grievances.
blake July 31st, 2012 at 11:16 am
“Unless the guy with 1.5 years of service time is better, which he is.”
I don’t know that he’s better enough to discount the service time difference.
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That’s a fair point Blake, I just think it’s obscene that there’s such a willingness to trade Hughes but not Nova. It’s the stupid expectation level. Nova has exceeded expectations (there were none) and Hughes struggled for a few years (and now it looks like he’s finally getting there).
Unless the guy with 1.5 years of service time is better, which he is.
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And if he can’t be realistically re-signed?
Again, moves can’t be looked at in a vacuum anymore.
I can’t remember the last pitcher to accept a lowball team-friendly extension coming off a strong year and 1 yr away from FA. If he puts up another strong season, he can think about CJ Wilson/Jon Danks money. Good luck fitting that into the budget while filling other needs.
I believe that “tart” in the slammer is responsible for the fake tweet.
“That’s a fair point Blake, I just think it’s obscene that there’s such a willingness to trade Hughes but not Nova. It’s the stupid expectation level. Nova has exceeded expectations (there were none) and Hughes struggled for a few years (and now it looks like he’s finally getting there).”
I think it’s all payroll related…..if Hughes had 4.5 years of control left nobody would be wanting to deal him either…..or if the Yankees were the old Yankees and could just pay him in free agency then it would be different as well……I do like the direction Hughes is heading though.
“Unless the guy with 1.5 years of service time is better, which he is.”
Their production is comparable, yet one is in line for a huge payday next year while the other is cost-controlled for the next 4 years. It’s not simply player X is player than player Y.
Hughes probably is better, but at what cost?
Instead of thinking about a possible acquisition, I am much more concerned about
Tex and his write.
Eagerly awaiting the MRI results.
Kev – the only reason this is an issue is because of the budget. The old Yankees would have let Hughes ride out his contract then paid him market value to retain him. With the budget in place, that is going to be very tough to do.
If hughes was extended,or is extended at the right time,he might be worth it.
I’d much rather have a 26 year old kid making 8-10 million,than a 30 something year old.
They should extend hughes now.
I question that Hughes’ next contract will be huge. Maybe I’m idealistic, but if the Yankees field a competitive bid I think we’ll get a hometown discount. We’ve stuck it out with the guy.
I haven’t seen much speculation on what he’ll get. Something in the ball park of A 6yr/$70 wouldn’t surprise me, unless he really steps it up next year.
I still find it ludicrous to think that the Yankees are going to deal either Hughes or Nova today. Forget the Yankees for a minute – I can’t think of the last championship contending team that dealt a key contributor off of its 25 man roster down the stretch. Sure, the 96 Yankees dealt Sierra for Fielder – but Ruben wasn’t playing well and he was clashing with Joe Torre at the time.
Unless I’m forgetting someone (entirely possible) it just doesn’t happen. Want to deal a guy who is at the back of the bench – or the last guy in the pen – that’s one thing – but dealing one of your starters? I don’t see it happening.
Hughes is getting better,and better,and will be worth more.
Add on 3/30,tying him up for 4.5 years.
agree hughes should be extended now.
seems to finally be figuring it out.
tex is ok but it sounds like he may miss at least a week anyway…
AC1
Where did you read/hear that Tex could miss a week of time with the
wrist injury?
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