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Postgame notes: “One of the bonuses, I guess”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Aug 01, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This was a game about the Yankees offense, clearly. Their lineup hadn’t scored this many runs since that wild comeback at Fenway back in April, and for a team that had been losing a lot of close games recently, that seven-run third inning was a refreshing change of pace.

But for just a moment, let’s make today’s game all about Phil Hughes. Not because of the way he pitched — even he acknowledged that he was “more fortunate than anything” to allow only one run on nine hits and a couple of walks — but because of the final result. Hughes picked up his 10th win in his past 16 starts, and he lowered his ERA to 3.96.

It’s the first time since August 25, 2010 that Hughes has been more than one start into a season with an ERA below 4.00.

“I try to throw last year out because it was such a disappointment,” Hughes said. “But I feel like I’ve been pitching pretty well lately, and it’s one of the bonuses, I guess. It doesn’t really matter what you’ve done, it’s what you’re going to do. That’s how I look forward to these next couple of months. It’s just finishing strong. No one really cares about numbers when you’re going into August and September and the playoffs.”

Hughes had allowed more than six hits only once since the end of May. This wasn’t a typical start for him — a ton of base-runners, big outs when he needed them, keeping the ball in the park — but he made it work. Hughes talked a lot about trying to learn from all the “bumps in the road,” and maybe he’s done that. Hughes said even when he got off to a slow start this season, he was convinced he’d get to this point.

“I was feeling good and my stuff was good and I was coming out of a good spring training,” he said. “I kind of had a feeling things would turn. It wasn’t like last year when I had zero fastball. I knew if I kept working hard, things were going to turn around for me. Thankfully, they have. I just look forward to these next couple of months, to not really think about April and those things and just keep getting after it.”

• That seven-run third inning tied the Yankees single-inning season high. All seven runs scored with two outs, starting with three straight RBI hits by Jayson Nix, Derek Jeter and Curtis Granderson, and ending with the ninth grand slam of Robinson Cano’s career. “We have scored some runs in the midst of our struggles,” Joe Girardi said. “It’s not like we’ve been getting shutout. We’ve swung the bats pretty good. We swung pretty good yesterday. Even with some guys out, this offense is still capable of scoring some runs.”

• The Yankees first four hitters were 9-for-16 with seven runs, a double, two home runs and nine RBI today. At the bottom of the order, Nix added three hits, two runs and an RBI.

• Cano leads the Majors with seven grand slams since the start of 2010 (Alex Rodriguez is second with five). Cano is tied for the seventh-most grand slams in Yankees history (Mickey Mantle and Yogi Berra also had nine). The Yankees have hit eight grand slams this season, the most in the Majors. With two more grand slams, the Yankees will match their highest single-season total in franchise history.

• Ichiro Suzuki played his first career regular-season game in left field. He made a leaping catch at the wall to take away at least a double and seemed to have no problem reading the ball off the bat. “I just have to get used to it in the games and just get adjusted,” he said.

• Ichiro has exactly one hit in nine straight games. According to Elias, he’s the first Yankee to pull off that feat since Roberto Kelly in 1991.

• Granderson has four homers in his past 10 games. He’s hit 18 of his 29 homers at Yankee Stadium this season.

• Jeter had his third straight multi-hit game and second straight three-hit game. He has 12 hits of three-or-more hits, tying his season total for last year. He’s hitting .433 the past seven games.

• Casey McGehee’s Yankees debut was a success. He drew a walk in each of his first two at-bats — came around to score each time — then had a deep sacrifice fly in the eighth. “He was patient,” Girardi said. “I haven’t really seen a lot of him over the years. He did a nice job, and the last ball he hit, I was impressed with that too. We believe he’s going to help us.”

• Joba Chamberlain made his first big league appearance since June 5, 2011. He gave up a home run on his second pitch and retired only four of the nine batters he faced. “Obviously that wasn’t the result I wanted,” he said. “But I have to look at the picture as a whole, and to see what I’ve come back from in the past 14 months and know that I’m able to do what I just did, and hopefully look at some film and see what we can fix.”

• After multiple reports of Chamberlain sitting in the upper 90s with his fastball during his rehab outings, Chamberlain’s fastball was clocked at 91-93 mph this afternoon. “Physically I felt great,” he said. “Just not executing.”

• We’ll give today’s final word to Nick Swisher: “It kind of feels like it was a coming out party. Really enjoying a game like this today. We drew a lot of walks today, really selective at the plate, big hits with runners in scoring position, lot of runs scored with two outs. Any time we can do that, it usually ends up a successful day for you.”

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164 Responses to “Postgame notes: “One of the bonuses, I guess””

  1. Bret The Hitman August 1st, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    At next year’s deadline the Yankees, barring injury, could have a rotation of CC, Andy, Nova, Hughes, Pineda and Phelps. Nova, Hughes or Phelps could be traded for a bat. You decide.

  2. yankfan August 1st, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    phil hughes is a overrated pitcher….all he does is try to get by on fastballs….gives up alot of hits….not reliable at all for the post season

  3. Bret The Hitman August 1st, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    I would trade Hughes myself out of those 6 (obviously you can’t trade CC or Andy).

  4. blake August 1st, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    blake August 1st, 2012 at 7:20 pm
    If they could extend:’

    Cano at 6/130
    Granderson at 4/60
    Hughes at 4/30

    Then those would be good deals IMO…..however it would add about 44 million to the money on the books. When you add that to Alex, Tex, Sabathia, and Jeter though….it brings their payroll to around 132 million for 7 players

  5. Bret The Hitman August 1st, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    The money used to extend Hughes could be used towards paying an OF like Melky. Phelps could easily take his place.

  6. igotid88 August 1st, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    yankfan August 1st, 2012 at 7:20 pm
    phil hughes is a overrated pitcher….all he does is try to get by on fastballs….gives up alot of hits….not reliable at all for the post season
    ———————–
    He gives up a lot of cheap bloop hits and infield.

  7. blake August 1st, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    I like Phelps but we should probably hold off on saying how good he will be as a big league starter until he shows whatbhe can do in that role.

    They have a lot of options to consider…..need to get Cano signed and then decide what to do with Granderson and Hughes this winter

  8. ron August 1st, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    I don’t see cano taking less than cc,agone,especially him feeling underpaid.

    I think him & boras will be looking for 6/150,minimum,and being cano will only get one shot at a huge contract,the 6 years will be on the light side.

  9. igotid88 August 1st, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    Bret The Hitman August 1st, 2012 at 7:23 pm
    I would trade Hughes myself out of those 6 (obviously you can’t trade CC or Andy).
    —————————-

    Not unless you get a ML ready pitcher the same age or younger. We don’t know how Pineda will turn out. And Phelps will probably be on an innings limit.

  10. Bret The Hitman August 1st, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    Out of Nova, Phelps and Hughes, the only trade that works with the budget is a trade of Hughes. Nova and Phelps cost league minimum and Hughes could command 10+ million AAV.

    So every other decision depends on the budget except when it comes to Hughes?

  11. blake August 1st, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    I think they should approach Hughes about a team friendly extension first if he finishes out the year strong and healthy…..if he doesn’t accept or wants to wait then you probably need to shop him……

    The Yankees have to start getting returns for players they can’t keep if they arent going to spend big money anymore……just like every other team does….sucks

  12. Bret The Hitman August 1st, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    By the trade deadline 2013 we should know how Pineda has progressed. And we should have a clear idea of Phelps can take Hughes spot cheaply. And we should also have a better idea how much closer Banuelos and/or Betances is at that point.

  13. blake August 1st, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    6/130 is really 7/145 with Cano’s 2013 option….I dont know if I’d go much beyond that a year early

  14. Bret The Hitman August 1st, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    CC
    Andy
    Nova
    Pineda
    Phelps

    Banuelos
    Betances

    Plenty of depth to trade Hughes without needing back a pitcher.

  15. blake August 1st, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    Big Ivan nova fan but if he doesn’t start getting the ball down more and commanding better then how many years of control he has matters a lot less…..

  16. luis August 1st, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    Bret,

    that’s why i think it is imperative to extend Hughes as soon as you can, in order to acchieve a team friendly extension…same goes with Cano. granderson on the other hand i would trade him in the winter no questions asked…I don’t think his swing is going to age well and this will enable to bring melky in to the fold

  17. Pat M. August 1st, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    yankfan….. Going into today’s game Hughes I believe had less hits than innings pitched ……..Yanks have to consider moving Granderson if they are to get younger and fianancially thinner……

  18. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    If pineda is at full strength come next season, he is easily better than nova or hughes.

  19. luis August 1st, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    Bret,

    I wouldn’t count much on Pineda for the time being…Anything we get from him at this point would be a plus

  20. CountryClub August 1st, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    It’s not uncommon for guys to slide in their 2nd yr, but this season has been a step back for Nova. Hopefully he can finish strong.

  21. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    Hughes gets a lot of crap… but this dude has a ERA in the 3′s while pitching in the AL EAST. Not to mention, he pitches in the most hitter friendly park in all of baseball. I would assume he is only going to get better and better. But, he already is a pretty viable #3 for a lot of teams in baseball. That ain’t too shabby.

  22. yankfan August 1st, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    relying on pineada is foolish

    he had major shoulder surgery he is done

  23. Pat M. August 1st, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    I don’t know his numbers, but it just seems to me that since early May Hughes has been a terrific pitcher…….Yanks have gone through all the ups & down in developing a 26 year old pitcher who is moving up the food chain of AL pitchers only to trade him off……Makes no sense

  24. igotid88 August 1st, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    Bret The Hitman August 1st, 2012 at 7:33 pm
    By the trade deadline 2013 we should know how Pineda has progressed. And we should have a clear idea of Phelps can take Hughes spot cheaply. And we should also have a better idea how much closer Banuelos and/or Betances is at that point.
    —————————————

    If Pineda comes back in time. And how well does he have to pitch? And with Phelps, they can’t expect him to throw 180inn. So then the only sure starters next year are CC and Nova. Pettitte might or might not come back. And if he does might not be the same or get injured again. They’ll probably sign another veteran starter for cheap. But we don’t know if we’ll get a Garcia or Colon again.

  25. luis August 1st, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    Repost,

    Also would like to add that Kuroda/Pettitte contract would come off the books by 2014, making the savings of around 41-47 mil, plenty to go lower the 189 mil cap and still have some flexibility. Also I think Russ contract will be lower taking in to account his current performance and Romine if healthy could be an option for 2013 and 2014

    luis August 1st, 2012 at 7:13 pm
    Trader,

    Very good question…Money coming off the books pitching wise IMO:

    Feliciano 4 mil
    Garcia 4 mil
    Kuroda 10 mil
    Pettitte 2,5 mil
    Mo 15 mil total coming off: 35,5 mil

    What i would do is extend Hughes right now 4/30 ( I like your take Blake ) or 7,5 mil per year that’s an increase of 4.3 mil from current cost…I would bring one of either Kuroda or Pettitte back 1 year 10 mil…Mo is not getting 15 mil, he may get 8-10 if he returns that’s a 5 mil decrease…This way you still lower payroll on the pitching side in about 7,5 mil…Probably more because if Mo returns, i think Soriano opts out from his contract so we could be saving 21,5 mil or if mo doesn’t return 9 (a possibility) 26.5 mil.

    On the offense side, i would trade Granderson for prospects or a cost controlled OF, this means that you save between him and swisher about 20,25 mil…I would extend Cano to 22 mil per year for six more seasons that’s an increase of 8 mil from his current contract and use the rest of the saving to bring Melky back for 12 mil for 5 years.

    This way you get younger, you secure the rotation until either pineda is ready or banuelos/betances is ready for 2014 and at the same time you lower your payroll between 21- 27 mil for 2013 and 31-37 mil for 2014..Then you wait for the prospects to pan out.

  26. CountryClub August 1st, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    Hughes has a WHIP in the top 20 of AL. He probably gives up a hit or two too many, but he makes up for it with his low walk rate.

  27. luis August 1st, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    Igotid,

    That’s why I think Phelps needs to build his innings…He needs to get to at least 150 innings…he is being wasted in his current role

  28. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    People just act like Pineda is done forever. Like the dude is dead and he has no chance to ever pitch again. No one seems to listen to the fact that DOCTORS have said that his injury was not nearly as bad as first expected. These SAME DOCTORS have said he will be at 100 percent, yes i said 100 percent… by spring training. So, unless these DOCTORS know less then you guys… i will take their word for it. Will his velocity be down? Sure. But, any pitchers velocity would be down after not pitching for a year and going through surgery. Pineda is young enough to build that arm strength back up. There is no indication by him, no his doctors, nor the yankees, that this was a career ending injury. There is a chance that he might never be the same, there is always a chance that he will still be a beast.

  29. Bret The Hitman August 1st, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    I would say Hughes is most likely to get traded at some point next year because of financial reasons. If they sign Melky, it will prolong Hughes’ career.

  30. luis August 1st, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    CC,

    Nova has pitched better than his numbers would suggest…He is in the middle of a pitching slump…He is having trouble with his mechanics…Once they correct them he will be fine…He is opening up his shoulder too soon, leading to a lower arm slot angle which in turn makes his FB to not have a sinking action and more horizontal move than it should, it is also making his slider flat, that’s why he got hit hard on it…This isn’t anything that can’t be fixed…Also he may not be striding well toward HP, which would lead to flat and unfinished pitches and command trouble.

  31. blake August 1st, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    I think Nova will be ok but command has always been an issue for him….he can throws strikes and hes got good stuff but hes got to throw quality strikes more consistently ……hopefully thatll come.

  32. blake August 1st, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    “I don’t know his numbers, but it just seems to me that since early May Hughes has been a terrific pitcher…….”

    Before today he had a 3.50 ERA since May 1.

  33. luis August 1st, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    Tabbert,

    I am not writting Pineda off…I just think that we should be cautious with counting on him from here on out…If he returns 100 healthy great, he still needs to build arm strength and work on his CU…counting for him to have an impact in 2013 would be shortsighted in my view…having said that, I do hope that he returns fully healthy and that he realizes his potential

  34. blake August 1st, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    “Hughes has a WHIP in the top 20 of AL. He probably gives up a hit or two too many, but he makes up for it with his low walk rate.”

    Correct.

  35. igotid88 August 1st, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 7:39 pm
    If pineda is at full strength come next season, he is easily better than nova or hughes.
    ——————

    he might have better stuff. But you can’t say easily better when he has yet to throw a pitch for us.

  36. blake August 1st, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    We can hope Pineda comes back the pitcher he was….and he might….but I dony really think its wise to plan counting on that.

  37. Pat M. August 1st, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    luis……It looks like Ivan has shorten his stride just a little last night…..Maybe he had some tightness he couldn’t stretch out in the pen, although he zipped through the 1st inning….Maybe the O’s helped him out though……..If Ivan throws a few more clunkers then you might have to skip a start and work him in side sessions……I see this as a mere bump in the road, it happens to all pitchers…….He’s a good young pitcher

  38. Bret The Hitman August 1st, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    That’s a fancy way of saying “Hughes pitches to contact”. That’s a recipe for disaster in the playoffs when hitters are much better and hit the ball with more authority. Playoff caliber hitting is not the kind of contact you want to pitch to. His pitching to contact explains the HR. I would give Nova a playoff start over Hughes 10 times out of 10.

  39. CountryClub August 1st, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    Tabbert,

    I’ve seen the same thing about Pineda being ready for spring training. But even if that happens AND he’s actually pitching well, I expect him to start in AAA just to get his feet wet.

  40. Bret The Hitman August 1st, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    high WHIP and low BB.

    He pitches to contact.

    He is a gas can.

  41. igotid88 August 1st, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    blake August 1st, 2012 at 7:57 pm
    “I don’t know his numbers, but it just seems to me that since early May Hughes has been a terrific pitcher…….”

    Before today he had a 3.50 ERA since May 1.
    ————————–
    or 2.90 since June 1

  42. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    high WHIP and low BB.

    He pitches to contact.

    He is a gas can.

    Nova has an even higher WHIP, H/9, and a low BB as well so is he a GAS tank?

  43. igotid88 August 1st, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    2.79

  44. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    luis-

    Thinking joba was going to help this team out this season would have seemed shortsighted just a few months ago.

    Everyone heals differently, everyone rehabs differently, medicine has changed, players come back quicker and stronger than ever before. So, While it might take him time… i think he will still have a very bright future with us.

    Again.. where is the evidence saying this dude is done? Everyone is just speculating. IF he and his doctors ( whom know more than us) say he will be ready to go in march, who am i not to believe them?

  45. blake August 1st, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    “That’s a fancy way of saying “Hughes pitches to contact”.”

    Hes on pace for 170 Ks and just under a K per inning…..hes not really a pich to contact guy.

  46. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    Country Club-

    I agree. And i also think that the Yankees will be very, very, cautious with him. I know he wants to be back, and his doctors have already said he is doing very well… but the Yanks wont take any risk. I don’t know how much of a impact he will have next year, but i think he will be ready to be a force again by 2014. He would only be 25 years old to start the 2014 season… so this kid has TONS of time to still be a major, major, asset to this team.

  47. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    If he isn’t much of anything next year, then they will only have 3 years for him to be a major, major asset. They only have Pineda for 4 more seasons.

  48. Bret The Hitman August 1st, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    It’s difficult for a pitcher to get the ball past good playoff hitters when the bulk of his WHIP is from hits and not walks.

    Nova has more pitches to keep hitters off balance and that explains why his HR totals are lower than Hughes’

  49. igotid88 August 1st, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    I think shoulder injuries are worse than elbow, no?

  50. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    Pineda is suppose to start throwing in september. So… we won’t have to wait much longer for updates.

  51. luis August 1st, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    Pat M,

    I think you are right on your take…And if he continues to struggle, i think skiping him one or two turns might be the way to go….By the way, your idea has really grown on me as you can see and it would make the team able to go below the 189 cap, regardless of who you bring in to the fold ( Melky or Ellsbury) and it could allow them to even raise Cano’s salary even furhter than what I suggested.

    Bret,

    8 k’s per nine is hardly a contact pitcher

  52. blake August 1st, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    Hitting are hitting .283 off Nova this year…… .257 off Hughes.

  53. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    It’s difficult for a pitcher to get the ball past good playoff hitters when the bulk of his WHIP is from hits and not walks.

    Nova has more pitches to keep hitters off balance and that explains why his HR totals are lower than Hughes’

    You’re not making a compelling argument, because Nova only gives up marginally less HRs than Hughes (1.4 per 9 vs 1.9 per 9, both are not very good rates), gives up way more hits per 9 (10.1 vs 8.9 per 9) and then walks more (2.9 vs 2.2). So he also would not be able to keep good hitters off balance.

    There is also the matter of Nova having one of the highest OPS against in the league, which is far more than Hughes. .283 .342 .506 .848 vs Nova against .252 .298 .477 .775 vs Hughes.

  54. CountryClub August 1st, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    His k/9 is top 20 in AL. Hughes is not a pitch to contact pitcher.

  55. blake August 1st, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    “I think shoulder injuries are worse than elbow, no?”

    Fixing them is much less predictable ….Tommy John surgery has a very good and predictable success rate….shoulder surgery not so much

  56. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    The bulk of Nova’s WHIP is hits. Infact the portion of Nova’s WHIP that is equal to Hughes WHIP (1.22) is probably all hits, then he dumps some walks ontop of it to bulk his up way past Hughes to 1.44

  57. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    Shoulder injuries are worse than elbow injuries. However, there are different levels of severity. From everything that has been released… he has lost a good amount of weight, phyiscal therapy is going great, doctors have already said he would be able to start in 2013, and he begins throwing a baseball in september. So, i don’t have near the negative attitude about it as most people here. Being 23 years old is the key here. HE is very going, and will most likely heal very quickly. A lot of these major shoulder injuries have happened to veterans in the league that have taxed their bodies much, much, more than pineda.

  58. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    Very young

  59. luis August 1st, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    Tabbert,

    Good points…I certainly hope that you are right…it would greatly help to give the FO more flexibility going forward ( Payroll wise )…Still, I would be cautious

  60. Bret The Hitman August 1st, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    Half a HR more per game is a big deal.

  61. luis August 1st, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    talking about Joba….Is he gone after next season?

  62. blake August 1st, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Basically when Nova misses spots up in the zone hes getting hit harder than most every starter in baseball…..the good news is that he just needs to command better…..the bad news is that for whatever reason his stuff isnt allowing him to make mistakes and get away with them…..even though his velocity is good…..when he gets his fastball up guys are killing it.

  63. mick August 1st, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    Maybe something can be learned from today’s game.
    Mainly that we get back to being more patient and that singles are a by- product of this.
    Sometimes it’s better to overachieve with less talent than underachieve with more.

  64. blake August 1st, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    “talking about Joba….Is he gone after next season?”

    Hes a FA after next season…..whether hes gone or not is TBD

  65. luis August 1st, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    Blake,

    He has a plus Fb when he is able to sink the ball and stay in the lower part of the strike zone…He doesn’t have the late movement and rising action that Hughes has…Also he doesn’t hide the ball as well as Hughes..His truly plus pitches are his CB and his slider

  66. jacksquat August 1st, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    There is a big difference between 1.4 and 1.9 hr/9. 1.9 I think is unsustainable while pitching well. Hopefully many of those hr’s came earlier this year.

  67. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    Luis-

    I hope i am right too. I love me some pineda. I remember going to the Yankees game in Arlington and being heartbroken when i found out. Completely ruined my trip to Arlington.. oh and the yanks got whipped that night.

  68. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal, the Marlins — who are paying Carlos Lee the pro-rated minimum — “wanted $2.5 million in a trade for Lee.” Loria, man.

  69. blake August 1st, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    Luis,

    Agreed…

  70. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    Its so much fun playing MLB: THE SHOW… and throwing 100 with pineda in pinstripes. : )

  71. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    Josh Hamilton is OVER it. The rangers fans, and front office better be careful. This dude is getting fed up with all of the stuff that is going on. Fans are booing him now, his Owner is blasting him, his manager has had bad things to say. They better be careful, bc if he leaves… their run at being the beast of the west is OVA. Well… it might already be with the angels there. But, you get what i am saying!

  72. blake August 1st, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    There are gonna let Hamikton walk either way.

  73. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    No one cared that Hamilton was a free swinger when he was blasting 4 homers in one night. Now… its a problem? Good grief. He is what he is. People keep trying to change his approach.. sounds a lot like TEX.

  74. mick August 1st, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    George would have salivated to get Hamilton.

  75. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    Blake-

    Hamilton wants to be a Yankee in the worst way. Don’t ask me how i know, i just know. When he was talking about the HR Derby at YS… he got all choked up. Like, the dude is digging the bronx. It’s too bad we wont get him. Hamilton and cano in the same lineup would be illegal! And tiger fans were saying miggy and fielder might be the best 3-4 ever? Can you imagine what cano and hamilton would do? Josh would seriously put up 60 bombs playing in new york. If he stayed healthy, and clean, that is!

  76. luis August 1st, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    blake August 1st, 2012 at 8:33 pm
    There are gonna let Hamikton walk either way.

    ===========================

    This may mean that they will go all out on Upton in the winter

  77. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    Hamilton hit .188 .279 .370 .649 for 2 months this year. I wouldn’t sign him because he is getting older and has some major plate discipline issues that affect him when he is not locked in.

  78. NYY fan in NH August 1st, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    The thing is will NY convert Pineda into a reliever if he doesn’t come back to the old self.

  79. Nick in SF August 1st, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    “Its so much fun playing MLB: THE SHOW… and throwing 100 with pineda in pinstripes.”

    If you put that up on youtube, you might win Pineda some LoHud converts.

  80. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    Hamilton might have hit ,188 for two months… but he is still near the tops in homers, rbi’s. He is younger than pujols… and look at the deal he got. Someone will sign hamilton to a massive deal. Maybe the Nats go after him! : )

  81. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    No doubt a team will sign him, I don’t think the Yankees should, unless it was for something reasonable like 4 years.

  82. Nilsson August 1st, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    Hughes didn’t have usual zip on the fastball today. It’s not unusual for pitchers during August dog days. As a result he probably couldn’t spin the curve as effectively. This is why the changeup is important. On the days he doesn’t have his velocity or best stuff, he can grind out outings like today.

    Change of pace pitch helps keep hitters honest when needed. Good outing for him. He’s getting better at his craft.

  83. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    MLB needs to have the Amnesty clause like the NBA. Now you only get to use it once, and you still have to pay the player out, but you take them off the payroll. Can you imagine if we got to amnesty arod? Ahhhh that would be saweeet.

  84. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    WOW… Yu darvish sucks.

  85. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    WOW… Yu darvish sucks.

    Nah got let down defensively twice.

  86. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    jerkface-

    he is killing me in fantasy… so i am emotional.

  87. CountryClub August 1st, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    The best thing about that amnesty clause in the nba is that you can use it whenever you want. As long as the player was already signed to your team when the rule was put in place. So in our dream world, the yanks could wait a yr or two and then use it on Arod when he’s truly a shadow of himself. Oh well….

  88. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    I don’t know what fantasy categories you’re playing but he should be cleaning up in K’s :)

    I don’t know how these runs are earned, since Kinsler threw the ball away on a DP. And Andrus and Kinsler messed up a DP feed from Darvish right before that.

  89. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    The other week i had Cliff Lee, Justin Verlander, And Matt Cain, going for me in fantasy. Together they mustered me a whopping -2.50 points. I cried.

  90. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    Jerkface-

    K’s are okay, but wins, quality starts, are where the points come in.
    10 pts per win
    5 pts for a quality start

  91. jr1212 August 1st, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    Darvish might have been let down by his defense but has 4 walks in 2.2 ip. Thats not good. He has great stuff but you can see why its tough to commit 100 million to a pitcher with no track record in MLB

  92. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    Hell, its tough enough to commit to even starting him in fantasy vs a decent team! much less pay him 100 million in real life! lol. I am so frustrated with him right now. And i HATE the rangers with a passion.

  93. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    3 of those walks came after being let down by the defense! He made 2 good pitches back to back to get ground ball for double play and one Kinsler threw away and the other andrus didn’t come to the bag soon enough because Kinsler moved like he was going for it then went to back up.

    Caused him to throw too many extra pitches. I still believe in Darvish! He is only 25.

  94. luis August 1st, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    I still think that Yu was/is worth the risk….In the Yankees case, I would have tried to bring Cespedes and or the other Cuban OF

  95. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    Jerkface-

    I still believe he will be good too… But i took him pretty high in my draft. So, its even more painful to see him struggle. Knowing i could have maybe gone with a better bat. oh well.

  96. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    Who will have the most prolific bat?

    Gary Sanchez, Cespedes, or soler?

  97. luis August 1st, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    Rangers coming back on this game

  98. Benny Blanco August 1st, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    What are the chances Mike Trout wins the AL MVP? 65% or greater?

  99. blake August 1st, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    Marc Carig ?@MarcCarig

    RT @aandro: Those are no longer Yus being heard at Rangers Ballpark.

    Yu being welcomed to the big leagues

  100. luis August 1st, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    Cespedes is already raking in the bigs…Sanchez has a very good chance to be especial, but he still too far away

  101. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    I started 11-0 in fantasy this year. But injuries have derailed my team.

    I lost Berkman, Pettitte, Ortiz, Marcum, Marrow, and now johan. Not to mention… Cliff lee started out like 0-9, and matt cain has not been great since the perfect game, and verlander has not been very good as of late. I have now lost 3 of 4. I am having my own Yankee meltdown. Just gotta get healthy for the playoffs!!

  102. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    luis-

    True. But, i was just wondering who would have the best bat long team. That’s prob not a question that can really be answered. But… i asked anyways. lol

  103. Benny Blanco August 1st, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    Darvish with a healthy 4.38 era.

  104. blake August 1st, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    I’d love to see Hamilton in pinstripes if they could get him for less than 5 years….which I doubt they could ….the drug stuff doesn’t worry me as far as him relapsing….but it does worry me that he’s 31 and his body is probably more like 35 from the abuse…..

    wouldn’t surprise me if the Dodgers go after him and field an Ethier, Kemp, Hamilton outfield next year.

  105. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 1st, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    Full Sturgeon Moon – August 1st

    The fishing tribes are given credit for the naming of this month’s moon, since sturgeon, a large fish of the Great Lakes and other major bodies of water, were most readily caught during this month.

    A few tribes knew it as the Full Red Moon because, as the moon rises, it appears reddish through any sultry haze. It was also called the Green Corn Moon or Grain Moon.

    ****************

    By my calculations, this should assure wins to the Marlins (because sturgeon is a fish – very distant cousin of the marlin), and the Tigers, since Michigan is pretty much surrounded by Great Lakes! You might be tempted to think it would assure a Sux win, since there is reference to a “full red moon” but the Tigers would have to trump since they have both the Great Lakes and the Green Corn Moon on their side.

    :)

  106. The Return of Stoneburner August 1st, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    Darvish! He is only 25.

    ******

    LOL – yeah until the middle of August and then he is 26 – the same age as Phil Hughes – - – - – -

  107. blake August 1st, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    Darvish: 4.38 ERA, 1.40 WHIP
    Wilson: 2.88 ERA, 1.21 WHIP

    I think Darvish might still be the better long term move….but as I said back in the winter I thought Wilson would probably be better short term…..people underrated CJ….he’s a good pitcher….you don’t do what he did the last two seasons in that ball park in Texas without being pretty darn good.

  108. blake August 1st, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    Kevin Goldstein’s Top 50 Midseason Prospects
    By Mike Axisa

    Kevin Goldstein posted his midseason list of the top 50 prospects in baseball over at Baseball Prospectus today (subs. req’d), and Rangers SS Jurickson Profar predictably claimed the top spot. Royals OF Wil Myers and Orioles RHP Dylan Bundy round out the top three.

    Two Yankees farmhands made the list, C Gary Sanchez at #23 and OF Mason Williams at #36. They ranked #40 and #99 on his preseason list, respectively. LHP Manny Banuelos was #29 on KG’s preseason list but predictably dropped out due to the elbow injury. OF Tyler Austin cracked the midseason top 50 lists of Baseball America and Keith Law, but Goldstein wasn’t having any of it. · (2) ·

    http://www.riveraveblues.com

  109. luis August 1st, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 9:12 pm
    luis-

    True. But, i was just wondering who would have the best bat long team. That’s prob not a question that can really be answered. But… i asked anyways. lol
    ===========================

    Next time that I bring my crystal ball I’ll let you know!! ;)

  110. blake August 1st, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    Sanchez at #23 is pretty high….he and Mason might be top 20 guys this time next year if everything goes right.

  111. The Return of Stoneburner August 1st, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 8:13 pm
    If he isn’t much of anything next year, then they will only have 3 years for him to be a major, major asset. They only have Pineda for 4 more seasons.

    ********

    From BA:

    “Also if a player has a long-term injury, he usually won’t be credited for a season that year. (The exception is if he goes on the disabled list after spending 60 days on an active list, in which case the DL time counts as service time.)”

    Interesting – interesting – very interesting – – - -

  112. Bo knows August 1st, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    Hey now, at Tampa

    Heathcott 3 for 4 with a SO, a BB, a bunt to first, a 2B, a HR and 3 RBI

    Feller was busy.

  113. blake August 1st, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    Kevin Goldstein ?@Kevin_Goldstein

    Simple answer is I liked 50 better. I like Austin. QT @Diooony: @Kevin_Goldstein Why isn’t Tyler Austin on your prospect list?

  114. tomingeorgia August 1st, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    trisha,
    August also is a blue moon month, this year. Two full moons. That means we win the division, and the Series.

  115. blake August 1st, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    Yea it’s nice to see Heathcott start to hit ….he’s kinda the forgotten about guy because of the injuries but he’s really talented still…..if he can just stay on the field….

  116. blake August 1st, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    Yu is throwing meatballs.

  117. Ghostwriter August 1st, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    3 of those walks came after being let down by the defense! He made 2 good pitches back to back to get ground ball for double play and one Kinsler threw away and the other andrus didn’t come to the bag soon enough because Kinsler moved like he was going for it then went to back up.

    Caused him to throw too many extra pitches. I still believe in Darvish! He is only 25.
    =============

    I’m not sure that I’d be willing to pay $100 million essentially for… Phil Hughes. (Obviously, it’s still early…)

  118. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    Interesting – interesting – very interesting – – – -

    Not really very interesting, because Pineda went on the 60 day DL and was not optioned to the minors which means he is credited with service. This is why Andrew Brackman has 1 year of service time despite not playing in the majors outside of september.

  119. jr1212 August 1st, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    Darvish is only 25 but he is not getting paid as a young player. He was advertised as a top ten pitcher and so far he is not. He probably will get better but he was expected to be an ace right now

  120. luis August 1st, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    Tabbert,

    Seriously now….I haven’t seen Sanchez enough to make an educated guess…Only time i saw him was on ST and his swing looked a little long for my liking…He has outlugged Montero in low A and that wasn’t an easy feat…As far as I know he does have very good bat speed and he manages to go the other way with authority

  121. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    And infact, that very paragraph you quoted is in reference to obtaining options (you get 4 if you use up 3 within 5 years) where being horribly injured can stop them from counting MINOR LEAGUE TIME as a pro-season.

    So not even the same thing.

  122. Ghostwriter August 1st, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    luis August 1st, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    Cespedes is already raking in the bigs…

    ———–

    I liked Cespedes in the offseason, but not for the money that he ultimately got. It was just too risky a proposition to sink that much money into an unknown commodity.

  123. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 1st, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    tomingeorgia – :D

    I love ya!!!!

    Meanwhile, have you seen Phil Coke lately? He looks like he swallowed the largest sturgeon ever caught.

    Here’s the before picture: http://www.ifish.net/gallery/data/500/Dan-13ft.JPG

    The after will be in the next post. Because he can barely waddle off the mound, he is in the process of potentially coughing up the lead! I don’t think the tribal gods are going to like that.

  124. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 1st, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    After: http://media.mlive.com/tigers_....._large.jpg

  125. Ghostwriter August 1st, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    jr1212 August 1st, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    Darvish is only 25 but he is not getting paid as a young player. He was advertised as a top ten pitcher and so far he is not. He probably will get better but he was expected to be an ace right now
    ———————–

    Actually, I don’t think Darvish isn’t making elite pitcher money. The Fighters got a bundle from the Rangers for the posting fee.

  126. Nick in SF August 1st, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    Tonight is Jerry Garcia Appreciation Night at AT&T to celebrate his 70th birthday, so expect Matt Cain to have a great game and for the the Mets + new Giant Hunter Pence to get contact highs.

  127. luis August 1st, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    Ghost,

    Being the last time that you would be able to get talent for only money ( new CBA )…i think it was worth the risk, that’s just me though

  128. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Yu Darvish makes 5.5 million this year :)

  129. luis August 1st, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Ghost,

    Also that we were already very thin in position players in the high minors ( AA and AAA) and having that aging and declining offense it made sense to get either Cespedes or Soler

  130. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    Stoneburner,

    Will you please return to admit that your very interesting line of thought was in fact, not interesting?

  131. tomingeorgia August 1st, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    trisha,
    The before didn’t work, but the after makes the point. On the other hand, I like fat pitchers, except Mickey Lolich.

  132. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 1st, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Oops. I guess he didn’t want Yankee fans to see him in the process of swallowing the sturgeon he caught. Try this link. If it doesn’t work, just take my word for it!

    http://www.google.com/imgres?i.....38;dur=523

  133. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Here is the relevant passage from the CBA for you to choke on:

    (2) For purposes of calculating credited service, a Player will be
    considered to be on a Club’s Active List if:
    (a) placed on a disciplinary suspension by a Club, the Senior
    Vice President, Standards and On-Field Operations or the Commissioner,
    or on the Disabled List

  134. jr1212 August 1st, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    The posting fee can not be discounted.. Darvish ia not getting 100 million but he did cost it

  135. jr1212 August 1st, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    The Rangers paid elite money to get him

  136. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    I will discount it. think of it as charity for a sister league that needs help.

  137. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    The Yankees donate millions to RBI baseball, same thing.

  138. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 1st, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    Tom, seriously, I hadn’t seen him in a while. He is actually so fat he waddles! I couldn’t believe my eyes. Damn sturgeon moon will do it all the time. Swallowing a sturgeon just before the sturgeon moon is a rite of passage for a Tiger player each year. They use a lottery system and then offer the gesture up to the Indian gods. Well Coke’s name was chosen and because the Tigers feared that when they submitted his name, the Indian gods would think he was using drugs, they decided that to satisfy the gods, he would have to swallow a very big sturegon. It obviously worked!

    And this is the kind of thing you can set your mind to when you team has won its game by plating 12 runs, most of them with RISP.

    :)

  139. The Return of Stoneburner August 1st, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    Naaah – I chew before I swallow – so now worries about choking. Yanks just do the same thing as Phil Hughes – Hughes will have seven years in pro ball next year: 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 – wait for it – still wait for it – and final year of arb 2013. So again – it is not certain Pineda will be a FA after the 2016 season OR Yanks only four years left.

    See http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....el-pineda/

    So technically – your original statement that the Yanks only have four years left of Pineda is based on assumptions rather than certain facts. Stay classy and wrong again.

  140. igotid88 August 1st, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Glad there will be yankee baseball for 20 straight day starting Friday. Or is it 20 of 21? Either way I glad.

  141. jr1212 August 1st, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    Jerkface,

    I wanted Darvish too and still think he will be a good pitcher. But so far he has dissapointed. If he were with the Yanks putting up the same results the backlash would not have been pretty..

  142. Nick in SF August 1st, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    Yu Darvish Tsunami Relief Fund. Very generous. Hands across the ocean.

  143. The Return of Stoneburner August 1st, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    Darvish’s up to date stats – 4.38 ERA – not that great – especially for what was paid and what was given up in the opportunity cost (C.J. Wilson). Plus – if Darvish was what he was supposed to be – and Feliz and Holland were what they were supposed to be – Rangers do not feel the need to go get Dempster. Little indictment of Darvish.

  144. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Luis-

    Thanks for getting back to me. I try to follow our prospects, and keep up to date. But, i never get to see them play.. so its all box scores or reading from fellow Yankee fans. God, i wish i lived in Yankee country… i would have season tickets to their minor league games. I guess i could go watch the round rock express… but i HATE the rangers so much.

  145. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    They would have to option Pineda for them to gain more service time. Which is why I was in favor of optioning him to AAA this year before he died.

  146. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 1st, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    So Coke gives up a dinger and now the Sux have pulled within one run, 6-5. Good managing, Jim Leyland.

    :roll:

  147. Hassey August 1st, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    The way this Texas-Angels race is shaping up reminds me of the 1980 AL East race between the Yanks and O’s. Two excellent teams with no wild card safety net. The 1980 team gets no love because they underachieved during the playoffs, but those who watched close know how good they were…f’in Royals

  148. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    I feel so much better today. I know that i could be completely wrong, and full of bias, but i really think today was the end of us playing bad baseball from here on out. I have not felt great about the games the last few days. Even before they started, or when we came back, something didn’t seem right. I dunno… the world isn’t in balance when the Yankees lose. But, i really feel like today was the beginning of another solid hot streak. I predict we will sweep the mariners, split the 4 games in detroit, and then win 2 of 3 in a heated series against the jays. That would be a 7-3 record over our next ten. By then, this major funk will be forgotten.

  149. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    And the only way they option Pineda is if he is bad, which isn’t a win for anyone.

  150. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 1st, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    And another ex-Yankee, Octavio Dotel, comes in. I trust his intentions more. Phil Coke was always a little full of himself – and now a sturgeon. I think Dotel has a lot more embedded Yankee in him.

    GO OCTAVIO!

    (would feel better if his name was Augusto…)

  151. The Return of Stoneburner August 1st, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    While true – at this point – cannot assume one way or another that there are only 4 years of control left as there are still too many variables left – especially with the injury. And the melodrama – he is career is not dead yet – is it on life support – yes – but not over yet – more questions will be answered in March 2013 than can be right now.

  152. RadioKev August 1st, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    The Yankees acquired the right Japanese pitcher.

    It’s tough to be get too down on Darvish. He still has elite strikeout numbers. On last check his FIP was 3.79. Adapting to the MLB isn’t easy, but he has the stuff to do it.

    However, I think the Yankees front office has been vindicated. They didn’t like the risk that came with Darvish, for that price. Hard to blame them.

  153. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 1st, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    RadioKev – I think you make some very cogent points.

  154. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    Jerkface-

    Pineda will never die! The dude has Swagger to the max. That crooked hat is going to look LEGIT in yankee stadium. Its going to be on helluva day… Pineda will return, throwing straight GAAAS, striking out 10+, and snatching the W for the bombers. You just wait.

  155. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    RadioKev,

    They could have acquired both? Kuroda isn’t a guy for the future. Darvish is entering his prime, Kuroda is far out of his surviving on his veteran moxy.

  156. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 1st, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    Great job, OD, EY.

    6 more outs to victory for the team of the Green Corn Moon.

  157. RadioKev August 1st, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue August 1st, 2012 at 9:57 pm
    RadioKev – I think you make some very cogent points.
    ———-

    I just say middle of the road things. Thanks Trisha, and your optimism is always welcome.

  158. tomingeorgia August 1st, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    Tabbert,
    Like your style.

  159. Hassey August 1st, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    Is Harold Reynolds better on MLB than Barkley is on TNT?

  160. RadioKev August 1st, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 9:59 pm
    RadioKev,

    They could have acquired both? Kuroda isn’t a guy for the future. Darvish is entering his prime, Kuroda is far out of his surviving on his veteran moxy.
    ————–

    I think the Yankees are really focused on spending big dollars on reliable elite players. Darvish doesn’t fit into the category, nor did Soler or Cespedes. Which is fair, I think. You don’t want to get burned on these mega contracts. Invest in the blue chippers like CC and Tex.

  161. Hassey August 1st, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    Reds look as tough as anyone this year…if they get the ball to Chapman it’s over

  162. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    You don’t want to get burned on these mega contracts

    But none of the 3 got mega contracts?! And all 3 had the potential to be worth far more than they would get paid! And the Yankees can absorb them if they are failures. Especially Soler’s.

  163. m August 1st, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    Barkley is top dawg.

    His drawl>cotton mouth Reynolds

  164. RadioKev August 1st, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    Jerkface,

    Sure, you’re right. I’ll take it back, although the posting fee for Darvish certainly counts towards that. Soler’s really expensive for what he is, but not “mega contract” level.


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