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Pregame notes: “Shaving my beard is the least of my concerns”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Aug 01, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The conversation is inevitable. Anytime a formerly bearded player joins the Yankees, he can’t avoid questions about losing the facial hair and accepting the properly pinstriped look. This morning, Casey McGehee showed up with both a shaved head and a shaved face, and he was ready to laugh about it. He said his Pittsburgh teammates wanted him to shave in front of them, just so they could see it, but he refused to give them the satisfaction.

Did MLB Network contact him — like Jose Reyes — to ask if he’d shave on camera?

“I don’t think they had enough viewers to watch that,” McGehee said. “Reyes might be able to pull that off. I don’t think they want to watch a chubby white guy shave his beard.”

McGehee doesn’t have a name tag above his locker yet, but his spot is right next to Chris Stewart, who’s played against McGehee since the low minors. And Stewart couldn’t say enough nice things about him as a hitter. Said that when he’s locked in, he’s dangerous. Even in a down year, McGehee has remained productive against left-handers, and that’s why the Yankees got him.

“It’s just facial hair,” he said. “It’s not like I was going to win any beauty pageants with or without it. I’m just excited — all joking aside — I’m just excited to be here. I’ll do whatever it takes. Shaving my beard is the least of my concerns.

“… I’m just excited to be able to not only come to a storied franchise, but also a team that’s been playing as well as they have been. Head’s been spinning a little bit. It’s been kind of a crazy last 24 hours. But the big thing is just excited. I’m really looking forward to the chance of coming over here to help win games. And hopefully, this is about as good a situation as you can, with guys who have been here before, to make a run in the postseason to try to put a ring on your finger which is something I haven’t had a chance to do. But it’s the reason why we all play so nothing but good things.”

• As expected, Ramiro Pena has been optioned back to Triple-A.

• The Yankees knew Ichiro Suzuki would move to left field eventually, and they decided to make the move today. Andruw Jones has played left field this year, but with Phil Hughes on the mound, Joe Girardi decided he preferred Ichiro’s speed in left. “We were going to do it at some point,” Girardi said. “You have a fly ball pitcher today. You want your guys who cover the most ground in the biggest spaces.”

• Girardi seems completely unconcerned about Ichiro’s ability to make the move from right to left. “It’s a talented outfielder,” Girardi said. “There might be a little adjustment. We’re not really going to know until we get him out there in a game situation. You can take all the balls off the bat in batting practice that you want, but it’s going to be different when it’s a game situation. With all his experience, we just feel that he can do it and he’ll do a good job.”

• As for Nick Swisher going back to designated hitter, Girardi said there was no setback, he’s simply buying himself two more days before Swisher has to really test himself in the outfield. “Nothing in him yesterday (suggested he can’t play the outfield),” Girardi said. “Just a day game after a night game. I think we should be pretty good after this, starting Friday, where I can put him in the outfield and feel comfortable doing it.”

• Russell Martin has hit .233/.340/.512 since the All-Star break, and without Mark Teixeira or Alex Rodriguez in the lineup against a lefty, Martin has moved up to sixth it today’s lineup. “He’s been swinging the bat well,” Girardi said. “He’s been swinging the bat against left-handers – swinging the bat very well against left-handers – so I moved him up.”

• For the most part, Girardi is prepared to treat Joba Chamberlain just like every other reliever. “I don’t really see any limitations right now,” Girardi said. “But we’ll have to evaluate that as we go along. If he was to have a long inning, or if he was to go 30, 35 pitches, you might be careful the next day, where if it was July for him, not so much. But for the most part, I think we would use him like you would use a normal reliever.”

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78 Responses to “Pregame notes: “Shaving my beard is the least of my concerns””

  1. blake August 1st, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    We heard repeatedly that the Yankees didnt want to take on payroll yesterday……not even short term payroll that has nothing to do with 2014…..it was signted as a reason they didnt pursue Dempster harder.

    The new CBA is a front…..its an excuse to do something Hal was probably going to do anyway……

  2. G. Love August 1st, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    Chad,

    Did Girardi really refer to Ichiro as “It” in that quote or was that a type-o? He sounds like Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs.

    “It plays LF and plays is well or else it gets the hose again!”

  3. Chip August 1st, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    RadioKev August 1st, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Isn’t it kind of amazing we got more than a dozen bats for Qualls? What the heck are the Pirates planning to do with him?
    ——————-

    Probably just needed someone to replace Brad Lincoln who they traded to Toronto for Snider.

  4. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    They were going to DFA Casey, so they are probably thinking the same thing.

  5. yankee21 August 1st, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    The new CBA is a front…..its an excuse to do something Hal was probably going to do anyway……

    I agree with this as it is odd to me that there were never any media reports of NYY fighting the new CBA.

  6. Chip August 1st, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Blake -

    Even before Hal came along Cashman has talked about wanting to build from within and trim payroll. I think he’s tired of being considered (in some circles) a sub par GM who crafts winning teams by the strength of the Steinbrenner purse strings.

    After all – it was he – pre Hal – who wanted to reinvest in the minor league system. He – pre Hal – who passed on Santana because of the cost both in terms of money and prospects. It was Hal and Hank who cleared the Alex, AJ, CC, and Tex contracts, agreed to take on Javy’s contract and Curtis’s contract.

    Do I think Hal wants to trim payroll? Yes I do. Do I think Cashman minds? No I don’t.

    I think more likely, Cashman is asked how much he thinks he needs to field a winner – he gives Hal that number and Hal signs off on it. But that’s the budget. It is what it is. That’s what Brian said he needed and that’s what Brian gets.

    I don’t see anything wrong with that.

  7. m August 1st, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    But Dempster was not an essential piece. Why trade if you’re not likely to extend him? I understand your opinion about Hal/payroll. But he’s opened the purse strings before. So it’s still in his DNA. Wait and see what they do post-Arod. Or even after resetting the luxury tax rate. I think you’ll see a spree again, they’re not going to sink to small market mode.

    Go, Phil. Good to have Joba back. The bullpen needed an infusion badly.

  8. blake August 1st, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    “I agree with this as it is odd to me that there were never any media reports of NYY fighting the new CBA.”

    Hal loves the new CBA

  9. Shame Spencer August 1st, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    blake August 1st, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    We heard repeatedly that the Yankees didnt want to take on payroll yesterday……not even short term payroll that has nothing to do with 2014…..it was signted as a reason they didnt pursue Dempster harder.

    The new CBA is a front…..its an excuse to do something Hal was probably going to do anyway……

    —————————-

    I hope Mo and Robbie take them to the bank… and let it be known that this opinion is coming from someone that is committed to rooting for the Yankee players. That doesn’t make me a complainer, right? :D

  10. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    I don’t see anything wrong with that.

    As a fan there is a lot wrong with that. ‘You said you could do it with 189, too bad!’ is not acceptable as a fan. I don’t care about Hal getting extra profits. I care about fielding the most beast baseball team in MLB.

  11. m August 1st, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Could have said Itch? Is he called Itchy or Ichi in Girardese?

  12. jacksquat August 1st, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Mike Ri August 1st, 2012 at 11:41 am
    Anyone know why Russell Martin is batting 6th ??

    Because he has hit better vs lhp than all the guys hitting lower than him.

  13. G. Love August 1st, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    The bottom line is the Yankees have to find a way to win this one today and get back on track.

    We know Hughes will give up HR’s. Hopefully, there will be no one on base when he does.

    The offense can’t hide in the dugout today. They need to score as Phil in our park gives up a few. Unless he comes out with shutout stuff, they’re going to need to put at least 5 on the board today.

  14. blake August 1st, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    Chip,

    I thibk they needed to get smarter and more efficient….not waste so much money…..but I certainly hope they havent lost that will to spend the extra dollar to be better than everyone else…..because theyve lost what made them special if thats the case…

    M, dempster was just an example…..

  15. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    The Yankees revamped minor league system has not saved them from needing to spend. And focusing on building a strong minor leagues was supposed to work in concert with having the most money to spend and being able to retain the talent they built and take talent away from other teams.

    Like it should be developing a core of minor league talent combined with the killer instinct to make that trade or pay that money or get that guy. Instead it seems like it is going to be a lot of finger crossing and hoping a savior emerges from scranton.

  16. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Other teams that have to rely on the minor leagues do not win all the time. Its a big gamble. You can compete if you get a bumper crop of prospects all around the same time frame. The Yankees were supposed to offset this by not caring about MLB’s puny attempts at a salary cap.

  17. blake August 1st, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    “I hope Mo and Robbie take them to the bank…”

    I wish I coukd hear Boras when they discuss Cano and Hal and Cashman come in talking about their budget ……

    Boras will laugh them out of the room then call Art Moreno and see what his “budget ” looks like.

  18. CompassRosy August 1st, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    CompassRosy August 1st, 2012 at 11:43 am
    M’s have Millwood, Felix and Kuma scheduled for this weekend’s series in the Bronx…

    Why are all the Yankee starters TBD?

    ===

    still a mystery?

  19. Shame Spencer August 1st, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    I don’t see anything wrong with that.

    As a fan there is a lot wrong with that. ‘You said you could do it with 189, too bad!’ is not acceptable as a fan. I don’t care about Hal getting extra profits. I care about fielding the most beast baseball team in MLB.

    —————-

    I just hate that people keep pointing out the Yankees are a business as if that point is lost on everyone that doesn’t like the new budget. Of course we know they’re a business. There’s nothing wrong with how it’s being run. Hal isn’t killing babies. He’s running a business like a business. How the hell am I supposed to celebrate this as a fan? I won’t do it lol. I root for the Yankees to win.. not for the front office to win or for Cash to win at some pride/ego thing or for Levine to win at being the creepy mayor of Creepville.

    Everyone here knows ‘there’s nothing wrong with it’… everyone here is still going to complain about it. Dare I say everyone else will complain that we are still complaining and the LoHud world just keeps on a’turning lol.

  20. yankfan August 1st, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    yankees minor league system is overrated

    no infield prospects
    no ready OF prospects
    BUST pitching prospects: brackman cut, betance demoted, manny hurt

    Crashman cant field a mlb team or a minor league system

  21. blake August 1st, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    “The bottom line is the Yankees have to find a way to win this one today and get back on track.”

    Today is a 2 game swing in the standings…..as I said earlier…..no excuses…..go win the gamw.

  22. CountryClub August 1st, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    I cant get all worked up about the payroll. The team spends a ton of money. We’ve been spoiled for a LONG time. If Hal wants to gradually work it down to 175 mill, so be it. No reason the team cant win at that number.

    In a weird way, all the chatter the from fans about the team being cheap might end up making ownership give Cano/Grandy more than they should.

  23. RadioKev August 1st, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    The 2008 team spending $207.1m isn’t better than this team. I get that we as fans should want our owners/front office to spend more, but we were an inefficient organization for a long time.

    Look at what the Phillies have done. They’ve over extended themselves far too much. Next year aren’t they paying over $100m for 5 players? That’s going to put a strain on any organization.

  24. m August 1st, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    The real elephant in the room is Alex’s contract. And to a certain extent, CC, Tex and possibly Cano. When you have over a million dollars committed to 4 players, it hamstrings you a bit. The spending couldn’t continue forever like that. I truly feel that things will stabilize at some point. And we’re going to need to beef up the farm system. Which means developing and keeping minor leaguers with some real potential to help the major league club.

    Inevitably this issue will rear its head any time a big name is on the block, but I appreciate the patience even tho I understand why others don’t. .

  25. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    We really need to win the next four game. Next week is just brutal. 4 at detroit, 3 at jays.

  26. blake August 1st, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    “. If Hal wants to gradually work it down to 175 mill, so be it. No reason the team cant win at that number.”

    If youre happy with the Yanks being just another team then ok……

  27. G. Love August 1st, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Look, it’s a very fair thing to judge Cashman on the minor league’s right now. It’s been in his control for awhile now and we’re barren at the upper levels. Whether that be because of injury, trade or players not panning out, they are unable to fix what’s broken internally. That’s why so many of us flipped out over trading Montero since this team needed to grow a major league bat in the worst way.

    And I hate to be Debbie downer, but expecting all the A ball kids to turn into exactly what you think they will is a recipe for disaster. Stuff happens. They all don’t become what you’re projecting for them in your heads.

    If the Yankee plan is to sit tight, patch holes until the A ball cavalry will save them then we’re going to go through some very lean years where a lot of people are going to get fired and the team will be in turmoil.

    What I’m seeing from this front office is no creativity or willingness to change what EVERYONE knows is wrong with the philosophy of this lineup.

    They could’ve put Swisher on the market this off season and brought in a better bat that fits the high on base mold of the past, but they’re too wedded to him saluting the fans in RF to want to part with him.

    The same thing will happen with Grandy. They’re going to be to wedded to the type of person he is to see that he’s another slugger who hits HR’s and does nothing else offensively.

    I think I’m still baffled how the Yankee model has gone from high on base, smart hitters with decent averages to HR or bust hitters. That happened on Cashman’s watch and he’s done nothing to fix it but bring in more of those guys like Ibanez, Jones, Martin, etc.

    Even Ichiro shouldn’t be retained unless he can get his on base as a Yankee into the .350 range. A .300 on base percentage is terrible for your offense.

  28. Chad Jennings August 1st, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Girardi said “it,” but it didn’t sound as awkward as it reads.

  29. austinmac August 1st, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    As a fan, it does nothing for me for Hal to increase profits not put back into the team. It places the Yankees on the same footing as the other teams which means they will win far less. Why is that a good thing for the fan base? I will not drink the kool aid.

  30. m August 1st, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    So more like “Eet”, Chad?

    :)

  31. Shame Spencer August 1st, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    McGehee said. “Reyes might be able to pull that off. I don’t think they want to watch a chubby white guy shave his beard.”

    —————–

    This is great stuff, btw.

  32. Captain Clutch August 1st, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Does anyone know if McGehee is a good fielder?

  33. Tabbert August 1st, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    I spent a lot of time around the pirates during spring training this year. I will say,casey mcgehee is one cool customer. Very cool to the fans, and seems to always be laughing and having fun in the dugout. So, at worst… we got a good clubhouse guy!

  34. blake August 1st, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Lets go profit! Lets go profit!

  35. CountryClub August 1st, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    If youre happy with the Yanks being just another team then ok……

    ————————-

    The Yanks don’t need to spend 200 mil to be a great team. That’s ridiculous. I’m not saying I’d be happy if they suddenly went down to 125 mil. But 175 – 190 is plenty. What I wont be happy about is watching Arod make 25 mil to sit on the bench for the last 2 yrs of his deal. And I wont be happy when they sign Cano to similar deal and repeat their Arod mistake all over again.

  36. Nick in SF August 1st, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    “I agree with this as it is odd to me that there were never any media reports of NYY fighting the new CBA.”

    Were there any/many media reports at all about the CBA negotiations and the positions of specific owners? I ask in the spirit of inquiry, not snark. But all I remember are occasional dribbles of info about rule changes, such as the harder slotting of draft picks and IFA spending caps and the like, nothing about how individual organizations felt.

  37. Cashmoney August 1st, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    yanks should find out the retainer price for Grandy and Cano, if not reasonable, the reasonable thing to do is trade them for ml ready talent. Dont think Mo and Jeter is going anywhere, but I trade them too if I can get something good esp Mo signs a team friendly contract. Mo might have really good trade value to a team desperate to win a WS.

  38. RadioKev August 1st, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    Didn’t ownership give Soriano that big contract? Didn’t ownership increase the budget for Teixeira? Didn’t we offer Cliff Lee a ginormous contract? I’m just not buying what some of you folks are selling.

  39. Hassey August 1st, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    With Casey at the Bat, we finally have someone on the Yankees that we can call “Big Country”

  40. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Were there any/many media reports at all about the CBA negotiations and the positions of specific owners?

    The only thing that really came out is Reinsdorf and Selig pushing for hard slotting in the draft and an international draft to curb IFA spending. And the other owners going along with it because Reinsdorf has a lot of power.

    HAL and other teams should have fought the draft/IFA changes, but the 189 stuff does not have to affect the yankees. It is only a convenient excuse. No reason for HAL to fight it. If, for some reason, the Yankees were under for a year it is beneficial. There is nothing forcing the Yankees to do it, so why fight it?

    If anything the increase in the luxury tax threshold means the Yankees could keep payroll where its at and save money.

  41. blake August 1st, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    “The Yanks don’t need to spend 200 mil to be a great team. That’s ridiculous”

    Of course not…..but when they triple most teams revenues shouldnt they take the advantage they have? If they are going to.spend like other teams they have to show they are as smart and efficient as othe teams…….and the issue is that they have signed a lot of big deals that hamper them.

  42. Shame Spencer August 1st, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    Inevitably this issue will rear its head any time a big name is on the block, but I appreciate the patience even tho I understand why others don’t. .

    ——————

    The thing is m, is that in the past the Yanks didn’t do extensions…. well, what would stop the players from taking up that mantra now that it’s clear the Yanks are trying to set limits?

    If I’m a guy like Williams or Austin or Sanchez, and I come up and rake for 5-6 cost controlled years…. I’m not signing any extensions for the Yanks. Not when there’s so much money in the game. Not when there are other clubs flirting with $170-180 payrolls. The problems the org is going to have is retaining talent…. they can’t let legends go without a PR nightmare, and they can’t keep signing them for the deals they have been and still retain prime players (Arod, Jeter vs Cano, Grandy for example). They just extended CC’s monster deal….. can we afford another pitcher who costs what he does? Probably not. What if one of our young guys becomes that pitcher lol?

    I think that’s why so many of us are looking for them to make some moves that help us get to $189 now.

  43. Shame Spencer August 1st, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    RadioKev August 1st, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    Didn’t ownership give Soriano that big contract? Didn’t ownership increase the budget for Teixeira? Didn’t we offer Cliff Lee a ginormous contract? I’m just not buying what some of you folks are selling.

    —————–

    Pre CBA though.. we’re in uncharted territory.

    I think we’re gonna need a bigger boat.

  44. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    It took multiple devastating injuries for the Yankees to BARELY miss the playoffs in 2008. That is what a high payroll affords you. A basic free pass to the playoffs because you can nearly fool proof your team and buy around your mistakes.

    If the Yankees commit to a more mortal payroll, then they will be in the same position the Red Sox have been. Always in danger of not making it!

  45. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    And if they signed Cliff Lee and CC opted out, then the chances of CC being re-signed were going to be slim.

  46. blake August 1st, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    If the Yankees commit to a more mortal payroll, then they will be in the same position the Red Sox have been. Always in danger of not making it”

    This

  47. Cashmoney August 1st, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    smart and efficient means not commit huge dollars and years to players might be on the downside. Yanks should tell Boras to f*)( off if he seeks rod deal for Cano and have the balls and smart to trade him to max return. same with grandy. but, they need to find out the asking price asap so to make a decision.

  48. Shame Spencer August 1st, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    Cashmoney August 1st, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    yanks should find out the retainer price for Grandy and Cano, if not reasonable, the reasonable thing to do is trade them for ml ready talent.

    ——————-

    You’re absolutely right and that’s what a well-run organization would do: Trade both and get back a nice haul.

    If we’re doing $189, that’s what I’d do as the owner.

    As a fan, however, thinking about not seeing Robbie’s smile just chills my heart :(

  49. Cashmoney August 1st, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    shame, I will order you a Cano bobble head doll in his potential absence :D

  50. CountryClub August 1st, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    and the issue is that they have signed a lot of big deals that hamper them.

    ———————

    Fair enough. But you dont get the Teix/CC type players without giving up big deals. At least those guys were signed on the right side of 30. But those mega contracts arent going away. More and more players will get them because of the explosion in local TV contracts. It’ll be interesting to see if the Rangers and Angels continue to play this game or if they start to scale back the spending in a couple of years.

  51. RadioKev August 1st, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 12:45 pm
    It took multiple devastating injuries for the Yankees to BARELY miss the playoffs in 2008. That is what a high payroll affords you. A basic free pass to the playoffs because you can nearly fool proof your team and buy around your mistakes.

    If the Yankees commit to a more mortal payroll, then they will be in the same position the Red Sox have been. Always in danger of not making it!
    ———————

    The Red Sox are in danger of not making the post season because they’re a poorly run organization. The Phillies are in danger of not making the post season because they’re a poorly run organization. The Mets are in danger of not making the post season because they’re a poorly run organization.

    If the top spending team, and top by a wide margin compared to most, is a well run organization, then I think we’ve got a great shot.

    Now this is a little tricky, because of the way the game has changed since, but the 1998 won with a $66.5m payroll. We can’t win with triple that?

  52. Shame Spencer August 1st, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    It took multiple devastating injuries for the Yankees to BARELY miss the playoffs in 2008. That is what a high payroll affords you. A basic free pass to the playoffs because you can nearly fool proof your team and buy around your mistakes.

    ——————–

    Yeah, you can buy a much better bench which is really what helps you grind through the season. Ichiro might be a part of a 4-player OF tandem next year.

  53. RadioKev August 1st, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 12:47 pm
    And if they signed Cliff Lee and CC opted out, then the chances of CC being re-signed were going to be slim.
    ———–

    That’s just your speculation.

  54. blake August 1st, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    “Yanks should tell Boras to f*)( off if he seeks rod deal for Cano and have the balls and smart to trade him to max return”

    Thats what other teams do…..trade their stars for prospects of which many will bust and almost all will never be as good as the player you are trading.

    It makes sense sometimes….it might with Granderson……I dont think it will with Cano….wouldn’t give him Arod money of course

  55. Nick in SF August 1st, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    ” I think that’s why so many of us are looking for them to make some moves that help us get to $189 now.”

    I think impatience and fear of the unknown are more the culprit there. Another day has gone by without Cashman discussing the master plan for 2014, argh, :brainsplatter:

  56. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    I can understand the desire for the team to be run more efficiently, or smartly. Thats just common sense, but the Yankees fall into the same trap Arthurian Paladins/Knights do where their HONOUR is to be kept above all else. So they didn’t extend people before FA, they were prepared to keep icons at all costs, they didn’t do anything tricky with money or with trades like the red sox did to horde picks or offset costs, and they don’t trick their good players into signing ridiculous home town discounts and then trade them.

    So they want to be smart and efficient, but erect these man made blocks to their own efficiency and smartness, and then decide to put ANOTHER in the form of a salary cap that is 40 million less than what they have been paying previously?

    Its foolish.

  57. Shame Spencer August 1st, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    CountryClub August 1st, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    and the issue is that they have signed a lot of big deals that hamper them.

    ———————

    Fair enough. But you dont get the Teix/CC type players without giving up big deals. At least those guys were signed on the right side of 30. But those mega contracts arent going away. More and more players will get them because of the explosion in local TV contracts. It’ll be interesting to see if the Rangers and Angels continue to play this game or if they start to scale back the spending in a couple of years.

    ——————–

    They’d have little reason to since their revenues are likely going up. The Rangers’ definitely is.

    The right business move right now would be to see what you can get for Cano and Grandy in the off season since those are your two movable, most valuable players. Go team!

  58. blake August 1st, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    “So they want to be smart and efficient, but erect these man made blocks to their own efficiency and smartness, and then decide to put ANOTHER in the form of a salary cap that is 40 million less than what they have been paying previously?”

    Bingo….they have to pick a lane….they cant play both…..

  59. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    If the top spending team, and top by a wide margin compared to most, is a well run organization, then I think we’ve got a great shot.

    Now this is a little tricky, because of the way the game has changed since, but the 1998 won with a $66.5m payroll. We can’t win with triple that?

    The Yankees have not proven they can be well run at a lower payroll number, and if they dip into the mortal realm of payroll then they won’t be the highest team by a wide margin. Texas, Detroit, Philly, Boston, LAD, the Mets, Anaheim are all going to be right up there with them. They can win consistently paying 50-70 more than those teams, but what if that is just 10-20?

    And the payroll in 1998 has nothing to do with it because salaries were nothing then. They were the 2nd highest payrolled team in 1998. Not to mention in the midst of having 4 potential hofers as their core :)

  60. RadioKev August 1st, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    blake August 1st, 2012 at 12:54 pm
    “So they want to be smart and efficient, but erect these man made blocks to their own efficiency and smartness, and then decide to put ANOTHER in the form of a salary cap that is 40 million less than what they have been paying previously?”

    Bingo….they have to pick a lane….they cant play both…..
    —————-

    They played hardball (I’d say far too hard) with Jeter, got a discount on Pettitte, and turned away Posada. I think we’re seeing them pick a lane.

  61. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    They paid Jeter 17 million per year. They are still in instructional hard ball league. Not yet major league.

  62. CountryClub August 1st, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    Almost game time. Let’s go Yanks! Let’s go Hughes!!

  63. Cashmoney August 1st, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    yup Jerk, Jeter got the best deal he could have gotten out of anywhere. capt is not about to take disc for anyone, it’s all about benjamins. Not that i blame him.

  64. RadioKev August 1st, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    They were the 2nd highest payrolled team in 1998. Not to mention in the midst of having 4 potential hofers as their core
    ————-

    Exactly. To be fair, I don’t think we can really come up with a formula to emulate those teams, they’re just magical.

    I just think the Yankees can be more efficient, and win, and I understand ownership’s perspective. MLB ownership added the right types of incentives to create a salary cap, and it’s foolish for ownership not to get under the cap.

    If this team stops winning, they stop making money. That’s all I know. It’s their prerogative to field an elite team.

  65. Shame Spencer August 1st, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    The Red Sox are in danger of not making the post season because they’re a poorly run organization. The Phillies are in danger of not making the post season because they’re a poorly run organization. The Mets are in danger of not making the post season because they’re a poorly run organization.

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    They were poorly run for time periods.. and run well for others. That’s how it’s going to be for the Yanks too when the contracts they’ve handed out are still being paid out in 2015-17. Normally, they’d just spend their way out of it like they did in the early 2000s when they made all those mistakes. They didn’t stay in the playoffs from 2003-2007 by running the team well. They did it by spending money.

  66. blake August 1st, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    “They played hardball (I’d say far too hard) with Jeter, got a discount on Pettitte, and turned away Posada. I think we’re seeing them pick a lane.”

    I thibk they are starting to…..we shall see if they are successful doing it.

  67. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    I think they can be more efficient and win, but I’d prefer they were more efficient without an arbitrary restriction. Like an efficient, well run front office with a near limitless budget is scary like a sharktopus. Just an efficient, well run front office without the budget is only scary like an efficient accountant is scary.

  68. RadioKev August 1st, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Shame,

    And those poorly run teams didn’t win in that time span.

  69. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    And those poorly run teams didn’t win in that time span.

    They made the playoffs though, and in some cases got very close to winning. The 2003 and 2004 teams were arguably good enough.

    There was a management problem at that time.

  70. Shame Spencer August 1st, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    I feel like some of the problem here is the fans are so resistant to accepting that spending money HAS been an advantage. I don’t think you buy championships… but the money is a huge factor we’ve all become accustomed to downplaying since we love the org. Me? I’ve always loved and lauded that we’ve been the biggest spenders and simply pointed out that my owner loved my team as much as I did and don’t complain to me that your owner doesn’t.

    It’s just different now.

  71. champ809 August 1st, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    While I too would love to see the Almonte “Bros.” and Melkman Mesa promoted to AAA it most likely won’t happen anytime soon.

    They’d have to release the Dickerson, Fukodame’s and that like to create room on the AAA roster and they don’t have any real obvious replacements to put on the AAA roster right now as Mason just got to Tampa and Slade is working his way back slowly from injury and isn’t ready yet to go full bore in the outfield everyday. I believe he’s still just DH’ing actually.

    Either Melky or Zoilo may get a promotion within the next couple of weeks when Abe comes back off the DL as both are pretty hot hitters right now and I think Melky is probably more likely being that he’s repeating AA this season and is a little older than Zoilo so he’ll probably go 1st plus I think in Scranton he can be the primary CF’er whereas Zoilo is RF/LF.

  72. RadioKev August 1st, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    Don’t you guys want to finally cheer for a scrappy team?!

  73. Shame Spencer August 1st, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    RadioKev August 1st, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Shame,

    And those poorly run teams didn’t win in that time span.

    ——————

    But they don’t exist in a vacuum. Some of the issues (if not many) with the clubs that didn’t win were handed to them by contracts/decisions made in prior years. How do you separate the two so easily? Just based on which ones win WS? I mean… any WS winner could be considered a well run club I suppose.

  74. Shame Spencer August 1st, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    I think they can be more efficient and win, but I’d prefer they were more efficient without an arbitrary restriction. Like an efficient, well run front office with a near limitless budget is scary like a sharktopus.
    ————————-

    Exactly!! We need to be more like the creatures in SyFy movies.

  75. Jerkface August 1st, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    I’ve always loved and lauded that we’ve been the biggest spenders and simply pointed out that my owner loved my team as much as I did and don’t complain to me that your owner doesn’t.

    Me too. I never got that line of discussion because it was really just other people jealous that they had miserly owners.

    A sports team isn’t a real business, because it is a sports team whose goal is to win. Some owners treat it more like a money making venture. The Yankees have always been able to combine that kind of mindset with a real commitment to winning.

    Putting more in has ALWAYS been an advantage even before free agency really accentuated it. Branch Rickey with his 20 farm teams, teams won with more scouts, more commitment to signing amateurs, etc.

  76. Shame Spencer August 1st, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    :arrow:

  77. Nick in SF August 1st, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Not quite a full Sterling on the Icbiro flyout, but close.

  78. RS August 1st, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    this game is moving so slow. i was thinking it was the 5th inning


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