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Ichiro’s defensive assignment: “I just have to get used to it”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 02, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

In choosing an outfield corner for Ichiro Suzuki, there was logic either way. Ichiro’s speed would play well in left, but he was a Gold Glove winner in right. Nick Swisher had experience in left, but his limited range was better suited for right.

Ultimately, the Yankees chose to trust Ichiro. Even with one game of big league experience in left field, the Yankees decided that would be his position, and they finally put him there yesterday.

“Left field being a bigger position, the field is bigger out there, so obviously you can use your range,” Ichiro said. “That kind of brings a little bit of excitement to me, to be able to cover more ground. Obviously ,it’s not right field. If it were right field, and it’s a big stadium, I’m a little more comfortable. I just have to get used to it in the games and just get adjusted.”

Ichiro looked good in left yesterday, and if that remains the case, he’ll give the Yankees not only some speed on the bases, but also a definite upgrade defensively. Swisher has become a solid right fielder, but both Raul Ibanez and Andruw Jones have been limited in Yankee Stadium’s spacious left field. Brett Gardner was supposed to be there, and neither Ibanez nor Jones plays the outfield like Gardner.

“(Ichiro)’s athletic and he’s played a lot of outfield in his life,” Joe Girardi said. “We think he’s going to do a really good job out there.”

By all outward appearances, Ichiro hasn’t been bothered by the move. Girardi said Ichiro was quick to accept his position as the Yankees No. 8 hitter, and he’s seemed perfectly indifferent to switching sides in the outfield. How long will it take him to be perfectly comfortable in left?

“I really don’t know,” he said. “I say that because it’s not just at Yankee Stadium. It’s going to be at other ballparks that I’ve never experienced over there. I really don’t know. I just have to do it.”

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100 Responses to “Ichiro’s defensive assignment: “I just have to get used to it””

  1. Yankee Trader August 2nd, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    If the Yankees were able to trade Gardner in the offseason as part of a package for a corner OF’er, and Ichiro wanted to play one more season with the Yankees, and was willing to take a significant pay cut, maybe with incentives, would it be worth it to bring him back?

    BTW-I still think he is wasted batting 7th or 8th.

  2. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    I guess? But it would depend greatly on what they traded Gardner for.

  3. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    Yankeesource @YankeeSource 19m Yu Darvish (age 26 on 8/16): 4.38 ERA, 102 ERA+, 1.41 WHIP, 2.07 SO/BB. Phil Hughes (age 26) : 3.96 ERA, 109 ERA+, 1.257 WHIP, 3.52 SO/BB

  4. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    Can they trade Gardner for Justin Upton or Choo…..if so then yes! :)

  5. Doc Iac August 2nd, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    blake August 2nd, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    Yankeesource @YankeeSource 19m Yu Darvish (age 26 on 8/16): 4.38 ERA, 102 ERA+, 1.41 WHIP, 2.07 SO/BB. Phil Hughes (age 26) : 3.96 ERA, 109 ERA+, 1.257 WHIP, 3.52 SO/BB

    who was the dude on here cryin that the yankees didnt sign this guy?

  6. Nick in SF August 2nd, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    No tears, but I wouldn’t count Yu out quite yet.

    But his first August in Arlington… things could get worse before they get better.

  7. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    I still think they probably should have signed Darvish instead of trading for Pineda……I just posted that to illustrate that adjusting to the big leagues isnt easy…..and that Phil Hughes has been a pretty darn good pitcher this year.

  8. jacksquat August 2nd, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    For anyone hasn’t been in Texas this time of year, it is excruciatingly hot and humid. It is horrible. I went through military basic training there at this time, many years ago. Yu may be experiencing some weather shock.

  9. m August 2nd, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    I was not in favor of signing Yu.

    But it’s unfair to judge him right now. It’s fair to say that he’s not pitching very well. But it’s like pulling a AA or AAA guy up and throwing him in the frying pan. Different caliber of hitters, the big show atmosphere, and the umps don’t care what your ERA was in your previous league.

  10. m August 2nd, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    Hughes has been great lately.

    IPK, Hughes, and Joba were frankly drafted by the wrong team. The win now mentality didn’t give them much of a chance to develop. Of course all three were derailed by multiple injuries.

  11. Doc Iac August 2nd, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    im not bashing Darvish,

    just maybe hes over paid…i for one am glad the yankees didnt fork out that money for an unproven pitcher

  12. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    Hughes still has a chance to make a bunch of money in his career……

  13. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    He is only making 5.5 million. The AAV of his contract is 9.33. He is going to be severely underpaid once he settles in!

  14. Nick in SF August 2nd, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    Plus he brings in marketing revenue from Japan and covert nuclear program intelligence from Iran.

  15. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 2nd, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    Let me say this. If the Yankees had signed Yu and he didn’t have a signature year, this place would be ballistic. Lohud is not known for its patience. Yankee Stadium is not known for its kindness to underperforming players. I don’t know a lot about Darvish so I can’t say how he would have reacted to the pressure of pinstripes and the Bronx cheer, but I am just as happy we haven’t had to find out, especially in light of any pitching woes he might be having.

    Actually the reason for my drive by was just to once again say how beyond thrilled I am that the Yanks got Ichiro. I don’t know how to explain it except to say that everytime I see him on the field or at the plate, I still can’t quite believe we have him. I guess I think of him as a super star. He’s Ichiro, dammit!

    :)

    I read a few of the posts here and it’s the only reason I weighed in on Darvish. So those were just some off-the-cuff thoughts.

  16. pat August 2nd, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    Sorry if this is old news but first I’m seeing of it……….

    What the heck is up with Josh Hamilton now?

    http://tracking.si.com/2012/08.....sobedient/

  17. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    “He is only making 5.5 million. The AAV of his contract is 9.33. He is going to be severely underpaid once he settles in!”

    He will need to be pretty good to be worth 9 million a year…..the walks are an issue…….I think he will be good though and even if hes not quite what everyone thought I would have preferred to sign him for just money than to trade my best prospect for a pitcher with a one year track record…..

  18. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    Hamiltin quit dipping and is having marital problems apparently.

  19. mick August 2nd, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    As soon as Swish is back in RF, we will become whole.
    Raul Jones will be back in the DH spot where they belong.
    Even w/out Alex we will roll.

  20. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    He will need to be pretty good to be worth 9 million a year…

    What? Not really! AJ Burnett, John Lackey make 16 million per year. We’re talking about 50% of that. Elite pitchers that are good and pitch lots of innings make 20+ million. Next tier guys make 17~ million.

    If Yu Darvish is as good as Carl Pavano he can be worth 9 million!

  21. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    “What? Not really! AJ Burnett, John Lackey make 16 million per year.”

    Just because they make 16 doesnt mean they are worth 9.

  22. m August 2nd, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    Maybe Hamilton is working his way into the Yankee budget by losing millions in potential earnings. He really wants to be a Yankee. :)

  23. austinmac August 2nd, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    A guy with Hamilton’s drug and alcohol issues likely self medicated because he doesn’t know how to deal with life otherwise. He would be a very risky contract for anyone despite the fact he has as much ability as anyone.

    Hal, one year is so risky and it wouldn’t affect 2014. It would be his chance to show he can play anywhere. Never mind, I just woke up from my dream.

  24. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    Just because they make 16 doesnt mean they are worth 9.

    When comparing what Darvish has to provide to be considered worth a 9 AAV you will compare him to the price of pitching on the free agent market. 9 million is not even a price that pitchers cost in free agency. Its always more. Or its like some sort of scrap heap rebound contract. Mark Buehrle got 14.5 aav!

  25. m August 2nd, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    AJ is actually worth way more than the Pirates are paying.

    I’m glad he’s in a better place personally. NY just wasn’t the place for him to be.

  26. pat August 2nd, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    I’m trying to imagine Hamilton dropping that cryptic statement on the NY media. It would have shorted out Twitter.

  27. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    The Darvish deal is only 9 million a yea also if you don’t count the posting fee….which shouldn’t matter to the Yankees because it’s not luxury taxed but I’m sure it would to Hal

  28. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    JF,

    I agree….and that’s why they should have signed him….what I meant really is that he’d have to pitch fairly well to be worth 9 million a year….not be ok for a couple of years and then be terrible like Dice K was …..I don’t really think he’ll do that because I do think he’s better than Dice K…..but Dice K had a better start to his career here……Darvish is walking a ton of guys.

  29. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    Hamilton is pretty open about things….he’s going through a rough time and just wants his privacy…..not many players would have confronted the relapse stuff head on like he did back in the winter…..

  30. Nick in SF August 2nd, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    Hamilton needs to remember to render unto Nolan the things which are Nolan’s, and unto God the things that are God’s.

  31. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    Well of course he can’t be TERRIBLE, but he could be marginally above average and if he pitches lots of innings he’ll be worth 9 million. Though I expect him to adjust and be worth a lot more than 9 million.

  32. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    Nolan said some dumb things about Hamilton….he needs to realize that the Rangers aren’t winning the WS unless Josh Hamilton is Josh Hamilton….regardless of whether they want to keep him beyond this year.

  33. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    I don’t want to pay 9 million a year for a marginally above average pitcher…….Kevin Millwood is pitching a lot of innings and is marginally above average for 1/9 of that.

  34. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 2nd, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    austin – I agree about Hamilton. There is no ideal place to be when you have demons, but I do believe there are some places that are less ideal than others. I would put the Bronx very high up on the list on unideal places to be when one is dealing with demons and doesn’t need additional pressure that can end up making the demons look pretty attractive.

  35. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 2nd, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    And then there’s this:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....AG2c99DHEM

  36. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    Historically Japanese pitchers pitch their best here when they first come over….and then get worse and worse. Yu is a little different because he’s younger and because he doesn’t really rely on a deceptive delivery…..but it’s really not ideal that he’s having so many issues with command/control now….

  37. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    Yea but Millwood isn’t guaranteed production. You can pick and choose from the scrapheap and potentially get 150-180 decent innings, but you can’t be confident in getting it again the next year!

  38. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 2nd, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    I didn’t know the Yanks had a facebook page, actually.

  39. m August 2nd, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    I somehow think that it would be a match made in heaven for Hamilton & NY.

    The clubhouse is filled with professional, classy, good character guys. I think the city would embrace him as a feel good story.

    Anyway, doubt it happens. If he’s not back with Texas where do you guys see him going?

  40. mick August 2nd, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    trish-jete’s no switcher.

  41. Tabbert August 2nd, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    Josh Hamilton quit dipping during the middle of the season? Well, that could have something to do with his troubles. Giving up chew is no easy task. God knows how many friends i have had go through trying to quit. Add that up.. and the fact that he is having marital problems? Yea, i can see why he is struggling. He is still the best player in baseball when we he is all there.

  42. mick August 2nd, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    If he’s not back with Texas where do you guys see him going?
    ==========================
    can’t see Hal shelling out the bucks…

  43. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    “Yea but Millwood isn’t guaranteed production. You can pick and choose from the scrapheap and potentially get 150-180 decent innings, but you can’t be confident in getting it again the next year!”

    Youre also not tied to him for 5 years of he starts to suck either though……

  44. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    Historically you mean like… out of a handful? :) Kuroda hasn’t followed that. Nomo was very good, struggled, but then had a 450 inning run at age 33-34. Igawa and Irabu were awful just from the start.

    Japanese players are like any other players. They can be good for a bit, then just make their way out. Or they are good, bad, then good. Or maybe just bad! Or bad, good, bad! They don’t have the advantage of sticking around like MLB developed players, who get their 6~ years to figure it out, and then potentially hang around. Carl Pavano has been pitching for 14 years and he has only been any good for like 2 years!

  45. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    “If he’s not back with Texas where do you guys see him going?”

    The LA Magics

  46. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    “Historically you mean like… out of a handful? Kuroda hasn’t followed that”

    Yea small sample….but aside for Kuroda thats pretty much what theyve done…..and that small sample is supposedly the best of japanese pitchers……..just sayin…..I dont necessarily think Yu will follow that path…..but hes not pitching like a frontline guy.

  47. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    Yea small sample….but aside for Kuroda thats pretty much what theyve done…..and that small sample is supposedly the best of japanese pitchers……..just sayin…..I dont necessarily think Yu will follow that path…..but hes not pitching like a frontline guy.

    Blake think about what you’re saying. ‘Thats pretty much what they’ve done’? Not really! Think more closely. Stereotyping all japanese pitchers is not a productive discussion.

    There simply has not been that many of them, and if you actually did stereotype them you’d notice that they simply DO NOT FOLLOW THE PATTERN YOU ARE SUGGESTING!

  48. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    You’re basically just basing your stereotyping off of Matsuzaka.

  49. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    JF,

    different subject…..do you think that the Yanks should claim Lee to keep him from clearing waivers?

  50. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 2nd, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    Yeah, I can see the supportive fans in the Bronx when Hamilton hits 217 for two and a half months. And the supportive lohud fans. And the NY press when he talks in riddles.

    No thanks. The Bronx is not a place for sensitive souls with alcohol and drug issues.

  51. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    Yea I guess. Might as well. I don’t think the Phillies would let him go without getting anything in return.

  52. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    So it’d probably be a safe move. Even if they let him come, who cares? We’re da yankees! Then they can trade him for Jesus Montero.

  53. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    JF,

    Again its a small sample but who has had sustained success aside from Kuroda? Ill admitt you cant draw definite conclusions ……but its just the way its been….im not sterotyoing ….just stating whats happened.

  54. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    I wouldbt want to be saddled with Cliff Lees contract but honestly if he helped win the WS this year I dont really think Id care.

  55. austinmac August 2nd, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    Trisha,

    As much as I lov to watch him hit a baseball, I agree New York would be a tough place for him. Their are a lot of places in any city to find trouble, but I think the pressure of NY could overwhelm him.

  56. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    “You’re basically just basing your stereotyping off of Matsuzaka.”

    And Nomo….and Irabu…..and a bunch of relievers

  57. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    Stating things that have happened isnt sterotyping……if I suggested that Darvish would certainly get worse because “thats what Japanese pitchers do” then that would be sterotyping ….but I didnt say that…..actually I said I didnt think Darvish really fits that same mold

  58. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 2nd, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    austin – I think the Bronx is probably the toughest place to place baseball in the majors. Cripes Clemens took almost a season to make the adjustment. And he had a little help. Randy Johnson never quite made it. I don’t think of either of them as sensitive souls. Can you imagine someone who is and has substance absue problems to boot?

    For his sake I would never want him to be in pinstripes.

  59. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    Nomo had a 3.85 era over 9 years? There simply isn’t enough players to draw a conclusion. Irabu and Igawa were both terrible. Matsuzaka has been injured pretty much, so kind of a wash. Kuroda has been good. And its unfair to really consider Igawa and Irabu because Igawa wasn’t even that good a prospect in the NPB and Irabu came from a time when there wasn’t as much scrutiny on the NPB. And the leagues had been so disparate. The NPB has always thought of the comparison between itself and the MLB but it hasn’t really thought about actually trying to develop players in an MLB type manner until recently (last decade or so) and change doesn’t happen over night. That change is also clashing with the Japanese traditionalism!

  60. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    And Nomo….and Irabu…..and a bunch of relievers

    A bunch of relievers? You sure about that? Name em? :) It seems like now you’re just stereotyping off of Okajima and Matsuzaka.

  61. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    Stating things that have happened isnt sterotyping

    -

    Your statement is the stereotype! You’re creating the stereotype with your inaccurate statement of history!

  62. astrocityfan August 2nd, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    I hope Hamilton gets his life in order. It’s probably best he stay in a lower pressure situation than the Yankees. Fans and the media can be brutal.

    On a lighter note the FB hack was hilarious one question. If Jeter did get a sex change would he give himself a Jeter gift basket? :)

  63. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    Look at Nomo’s career year to year……

  64. mick August 2nd, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    The Bronx is not a place for sensitive souls with alcohol and drug issues.
    ================================================
    Kind of like The LoHud.

  65. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    Your statement is the stereotype! You’re creating the stereotype with your inaccurate statement of history!”

    What did I say that was inaccurate….show your work

  66. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    Nomo era

    2.54
    3.19
    4+
    4+
    4+
    4+
    4+

  67. tomingeorgia August 2nd, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    blake,
    Some of us have those, but keep on going.

  68. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    Historically Japanese pitchers pitch their best here when they first come over….and then get worse and worse.

    This statement is blatantly untrue. You should have to show YOUR work.

    Nomo’s ERA+
    149
    122
    91
    84
    100
    99
    100
    112
    131

    With the exception of 98 he averaged 6+ IP in his other 2 down years.

  69. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    And pitchers like Irabu and Igawa were not very good in their first years. Its hard to hold DECLINING PRODUCTION against older relievers as well. You know who else is good for a while then gets worse? Most players in baseball!! And relievers especially!

    You have guys like Sasaki, Hasegawa, Uehara, Saito, and Otsuka who were pretty much good all the way through. Some guys who bad pretty much all the way through. And guys who are up and down. Its almost like they are just like any other baseball player!

    Tomo Ohka is a guy that simply wasn’t very good in the NPB but managed to carve out some decent MLB seasons for himself in his prime.

  70. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    That Japanese players behave like regular baseball players in their performance seems to not be taken at face value due to the novelty of their different nationality and lack of representation in baseball.

  71. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    “This statement is blatantly untrue. You should have to show YOUR work.”

    I did…..Nomo was really good, good, then mediocre-bad the rest of his career or the majority of it….the numbers show that.

  72. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    JF,

    Show me again how Nomo didnt pitch his best baseball when he first came over?

  73. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    So your basis of suggesting that historically this has happened with most Japenese players is Hideo Nomo?

  74. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    This is what I’m talking about stereotyping!

  75. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    “So your basis of suggesting that historically this has happened with most Japenese players is Hideo Nomo?”

    Arent Nomo and Dice K the best comps available for Darvish? Yes as I said its a small sample but stating that both those guys were good at first and then declined quickly isnt being sterotypical…..its just stating what happened…..Im nit drawing conclusions from that as it relates to Darvish and I alreqdy said that.

  76. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    Counter point to Hideo Nomo: Kuroda

    Nomo was a good major leaguer for 9 seasons. No surprise his best statistical year came when he was in his prime.

  77. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    Arent Nomo and Dice K the best comps available for Darvish? Yes as I said its a small sample but stating that both those guys were good at first and then declined quickly isnt being sterotypical…..its just stating what happened…..Im nit drawing conclusions from that as it relates to Darvish and I alreqdy said that.

    Dice K’s best season was his 2nd year, and then he got injured. Are you suggesting every japanese pitcher will be alright, then great, then get injured? Why don’t you just rescind your ‘historically’ comment? If you don’t mean to stereotype, why bring it up?

  78. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    Thats a very sensitive definition of sterotyping IMO.

  79. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    Not really! This is what you said Blake: “Historically Japanese pitchers pitch their best here when they first come over….and then get worse and worse.”

    You did not say historically HIDEO NOMO blah blah blah

  80. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    Was Dice K the best early in his career or not?

  81. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    At worst its bad stereotyping, at best its ignorant of history!

  82. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    “Not really! This is what you said Blake: “Historically Japanese pitchers pitch their best here when they first come over….and then get worse and worse.””

    Who besides Kuroda doesnt this apply to?

  83. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    JF,

    I know you have this thing with sterotyping and stuff but that wasnt my intent and you should know that…..just stating a trend (even if it is a small sample) that I think is there. Again for like the third time…..I dont thibk it reqlly applies to Darvish.

  84. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    Nomo, Irabu, Igawa, Yoshii, Ohka, Sasaki, Hasegawa, Uehara, Saito, Yabu, Murakami, and Otsuka

  85. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    Is it sterotyping against tall people if you say that tall pitchers tend to have trouble repeating a pitching motion……or is that an observation?

  86. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Anyone can be tall, only Japanese pitchers can be Japanese.

  87. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    As I said, its either ignorance of history or actually failing to understand what you’re observing (which is the standard aging curve of baseball players and not something unique to Japanese players)

  88. The Return of Stoneburner August 2nd, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    Saying Darvish will “settle in” is nothing more than an assumption at this point and speculative. No one can say one way or another what will happen – and if anything – it is less murky whether Darvish will prove to have been a good investment for Rangers – especially when comparing him to C.J. Wilson. In any event, Darvish’s true value to the Rangers will be what he does in the postseason – they are win now team – and he is being counted on in the years ahead to be a top of the rotation starter. Time will tell – but nothing is certain and can be based on fact right now – - – -

  89. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    “Anyone can be tall, only Japanese pitchers can be Japanese”

    Noooo…..only tall people can be tall….short people cant be tall.

  90. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    Short people is not a race, Blake.

  91. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    Again Im not drawing conclusions fron this…..and I said that from the beginning ….all Im.saying isbthe the two best comps for Darvish were good for two seasons and then significantly worse after that……if I then concluded that Darvish would do the same rhen youd have a point …..but I never said that.

  92. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    Saying Darvish will “settle in” is nothing more than an assumption at this point and speculative. No one can say one way or another what will happen – and if anything

    No sht? If you wanna join Trisha in the ‘sit back and observe and only comment post-facto’ be my guest. Prognostication, rooting for players, hoping for players to succeed, wanting success for them, etc is all part of being a fan.

  93. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    ‘Short people is not a race, Blake.”

    Im not trying to make it.about race….you are….Im talking about baseball players coming from one league to another and an observation…..

  94. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    Again Im not drawing conclusions fron this…..and I said that from the beginning ….all Im.saying isbthe the two best comps for Darvish were good for two seasons and then significantly worse after that……if I then concluded that Darvish would do the same rhen youd have a point …..but I never said that.

    Blake you’re missing so wildly here. Your non-comparison to Darvish is not the issue. Its your original statement of HISTORICALLY JAPANESE PLAYERS DO THIS. Matsuzaka and Nomo are not the 2 best comps for Darvish because they do not pitch like him. Nomo especially pitched nothing like Darvish. They are not the same physically in stature, or in actual delivery of the baseball. They would only be comps to you because of their japanese heritage.

    And that is the crux of this issue! And as I have said, your original statement is incorrect, so feel free to recant on it.

  95. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    Im talking about baseball players coming from one league to another and an observation…..

    How is ‘Japanese players historically WHATEVER’ not about race?

  96. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    Who are better comps for Darvish that pitched in the Japanese league then?

  97. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    “How is ‘Japanese players historically WHATEVER’ not about race?”

    I don’t see why you want to make this in to a racial thing….its not and that statement wasnt intended to set off some racial debate about what’s stereotyping and whats not…..

  98. blake August 2nd, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    And I don’t think the statement was incorrect…..I’ll amend it to say “pitchers coming over from the Japanese league…..instead of Japanese pitchers if you like

  99. Jerkface August 2nd, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    Ok but its still wrong, as I have shown. Nomo was not great then got worse and worse, he had an uneven but overall positive 9 years, with 2 of his best years coming at the end of the 9 years. That out right goes against your statement and he is one of your comps. Matsuzaka had shoulder injury, hip injury, and now TJS. That sounds like a problem anyone can have.

    Then all the other names I listed. Its lazy comping. Maybe you shouldn’t make comps?

  100. FreeAgentSignee August 4th, 2012 at 12:02 am

    Good luck Ichiro!

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