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Yankees postgame: Garcia perseveres to milestone

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Freddy Garcia struggled a bit in the heat and humidity, allowing five hits and four walks in five innings. But he only cracked for two runs in this 6-2 victory over the Mariners.

“Freddy battled,” Derek Jeter said. “Freddy has been around a long time. He knows how to mix things up.”

Garcia snapped a three-game winning streak and became the first Venezuelan to reach 150 victories in the majors.

“I still have the record,” said Garcia, who’s also the 12th Latin American-born pitcher to win at least 150. “For me, it’s another win. Hopefully more are coming.”

Garcia is 3-3 with a 3.95 ERA in seven starts since rejoining the rotation July 2.

“You’ve got to feel good about it after I pitched four games in April and I didn’t do my job and they sent me to the bullpen,” Garcia said.

The bullpen backed him up rather nicely this time, four hitless innings between Boone Logan, David Robertson and Rafael Soriano.

“It’s one reason why we are where we are,” Jeter said.

Ibanez is another reason. He has a knack for big hits, even at age 40. This time, he hit a long solo homer in the fifth to make it 4-2, then worked the count full and delivered a two-out, two-run bases-packed single in the sixth to set the final margin. Ibanez said he tries to keep any emotion out of the at-bats in these important situations.

“Raul is one of those guys who never tries to do too much and can relax in those situations,” Girardi said. “That’s why he comes through a lot.”

Ichiro Suzuki came through with a double in the seventh to tie Don Slaught’s record for longest hitting streak at the start of a Yankees career at 12 games. Of course, if you saw it or heard about it on the radio, it was a gift from the sun god. Center fielder Michael Saunders was blinded by the light and the ball fell for a gift double.

“As a hitter, I was hoping that ball would drop,” Suzuki said through an interpreter. “But at the same time, I understand the outfielder’s feeling, how tough it is to fight that sun. So I felt for him a little bit.”

Andy Pettitte was due for another X-ray today on his fractured left ankle. After the game, Joe Girardi said Pettitte was “definitely better.” He’s exercising and playing catch. The Yankees are still hopeful he’ll be back in September.

The Yankees finished the homestand at 4-5. They had dropped the first two series, to the Red Sox and the Orioles.

“We won a series leaving and I think it’s important because we have to get back to winning series,” Girardi said. “We lost some really tight games. Hopefully this will get us on a really good streak.”

They head to Detroit for four and then to Toronto for three. Monday night’s pitching matchup features Ivan Nova and Justin Verlander. I’ll have more on that in my 9 a.m. post.

 

 

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526 Responses to “Yankees postgame: Garcia perseveres to milestone”

  1. luis August 5th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    Nick,

    Left a response in previous thread…I am on the road and can’t write more, please check it out

  2. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 5th, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    Just got in from my family event and saw the score of the game.

    YAY!!!!!

    It means Freddy got the job done. Also, hope there was at least a smidge of small ball in there. I’ll soon find out!

    :)

  3. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    If Pineda is healthy next year, the Montero fan club is going to hear about the trade 24/7 throughout 2013.

    Not one doctor is calling Pineda’s injury career ending. And not one pitcher in history ended his career based on Pineda’s injury.

  4. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    He will be back and if healthy, fans of the trade will make some noise – and VENT.

  5. Against All Odds August 5th, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    Ys Guy August 5th, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    ….still a wash….
    if the best you can say for a guy is ‘at least he’s playing’ it means you got nothing.

    —————————–

    As a opposed to be injured….it means a lot. You can’t learn your craft if you’re on the side lines.

  6. Against All Odds August 5th, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    He will be back and if healthy, fans of the trade will make some noise – and VENT.

    ————————–

    So you’re expecting to come back and be as good as usual?

  7. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    I’m expecting that if healthy, Pineda will make this trade look lopsided once and for all.

  8. Nick in SF August 5th, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    “It’s not big or clever to laugh at the misfortune of others, but sometimes you just can’t help it.

    A Bulgarian woman fell over a hurdle in the 400m hurdle heats earlier on – her name is Vania Stambolova.

    Stambolova, stumbled over. Brilliant.”

  9. Against All Odds August 5th, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    expecting him*

  10. Cashmoney August 5th, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    need time to assess this trade… but look favorable to Ms so far to me.

  11. Against All Odds August 5th, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    I’m expecting that if healthy, Pineda will make this trade look lopsided once and for all.

    ————————-

    But it’s not just health though there are other things involved. Pitching in NY, smaller ball park, developing a change-up, enormous exceptions, NY media, etc.

  12. Cashmoney August 5th, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    long journey back for pineda…

  13. waldo geraldo faldo August 5th, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    “Because the decision is not the same thing as the result”

    People usually fail to understand that concept. A pet peeve of mine.

  14. Dionysius Thelxinoe August 5th, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    I cannot #*%€ing believe some of you are still yammering on about the Montero/Piñeda trade. Even to the point of disrespectful posts.

    Look at the calendar, for pete’s sake!

  15. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 5th, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    shaman1993 August 5th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
    Well, that didn’t take long, did it…Another first inning where Garcia puts his team behind. How long can Girardi keep this clown in the rotation over Phelps?

    luis August 5th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
    Rolling over on off speed slop…Your second post is on point as well Kev

    MG August 5th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
    Garcia is throwing BP up there today, it is just awful…

    comet August 5th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
    Garci struggling hugely today. We’ll be lucky to get out of this one with a win .

    ************************
    6-2? Really?

    Perspective much?

  16. blake August 5th, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    “I’m expecting that if healthy, Pineda will make this trade look lopsided once and for all.”

    there is a big if there of course…..and even if he does come back healthy there is also the chance that Montero really starts to hit next year and I believe he might…..and in that event it comes back to what you feel the Yankees needed more….a middle of the order prime aged type hitter or a pitcher….I always thought they needed the bat more and still do…..so we’ll just have to see ….we’ll have to see if Montero ever becomes that type of hitter….and we’ll have to see if Pineda comes back to where he was and then improves from there.

    One thing I can say is that nobody really knows what’s going to happen….so making definitive statements on either side probably isn’t the way to go.

  17. jmills August 5th, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    Dionysus,….it takes time.

  18. Nick in SF August 5th, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    “But it’s not just health though there are other things involved. Pitching in NY, smaller ball park, developing a change-up, enormous exceptions, NY media, etc.”

    I’m sure all that will be taken into account in a generous and fair-minded way, just as possible reasons for Mr. Montero’s performance should be.

    Right?

  19. I Am Winning August 5th, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    I can’t describe how annoying it is to read people talking about players that have been traded months back. Mainly when they are whining about it. I don’t understand how a guy hitting in the .250s and with a .320 OBP will make the Yankeea the best offensive force ever.

    Montero isn’t on the team. Stop wallowing about it.

  20. jmills August 5th, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    I am Winning! Don’t worry about the best that they are , do the best that you can.

  21. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 5th, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    And I’m sure each and every one of you once again prematurely making incorrect assessments and predictions have pitched in the majors on one of the most disgustingly humid days of the year and unequivocally haven’t given up a hit or walked anyone. That’s how astoundingly your expertise travels the globe.

    Wouldn’t want a single worrier with me on any kind of difficult mission. I’m sure I would be taking out the smelling salts.

    6-2. That means he gave up no more than 2 runs.

    Although Garcia snapped a personal three-game losing streak in taking the rubber match of the three-game series against the Mariners, he has allowed three or fewer earned runs in six of seven starts since rejoining the rotation July 2.

    And some of you want him out of the rotation and Phelps to take his place? Perspective much? Veruka Salt (Willy Wonka, not the band) syndrome much? Glass jaw much?

  22. Ys Guy August 5th, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    still a wash

  23. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 5th, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    jmills – congrats on handling the A’s!!! WOO HOO!!!

  24. Ys Guy August 5th, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    the freak has something like a 2.7 era since the break. is he back?

  25. jmills August 5th, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    Trish, I’ve got a long ways to go. Best to you and your’s – always!

  26. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 5th, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    One step at a time. But your guys brought it to one of the hottest. That’s nothing but good!

  27. blake August 5th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    “the freak has something like a 2.7 era since the break. is he back?”

    probably too early to say….if he wasn’t hurt though then it was inevitable that he wasn’t going to continue to be that bad I think.

  28. jmills August 5th, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    Thanks,..but,…you can kick their a#* from here on in.

  29. Melk Man August 5th, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    Montero’s adjustments are far different than Pineda’s. Far less, in fact.

    Montero simply needs to continue to get ABs at the big leagues.

    Hitters don’t need to “adjust” to NY, like pitchers do. Montero doesn’t have to adjust to pitching in a small ballpark as a RH flyball pitcher. Montero doesn’t have to prove his durability. Montero doesn’t have to develop other pitches.

    It is why a lot of were against the trade, it is not the 1 for 1 proposition people make it out to be. There are far, far more variables with Pineda than Montero. Even if they were equal in talent, one is significantly more of a risk and chance to bust, with similar upside (one a stud hitter, one a stud pitcher) with Pineda needing to do far more to reach his upside than Pineda.

    This isn’t taking into account the labrum injury, he was predisposed to injury BEFORE the trade was made, A. being a pitcher and B. having elbow problems in the minors with SEA. So the injury he sustained does not come into account in the analysis, but it should hardly be a surprise.

  30. blake August 5th, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    If the Playoffs started today….the LA Trouts would not be in the playoffs.

  31. The Return of Stoneburner August 5th, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    The doubles, Montero – where are the doubles???? Heck, even Beltre and Sexon would hit doubles in their time with the Mariners and Safeco. Heck, even Carlos Lee did well in his rookie season – a Carlos Lee that some elitist fan boys scoffed at – the elitist know it all. Say this, I am glad Montero has been disappointing – and I am glad that, while he and Noesi were staked to a huge lead over Pineda and Campos – as of now – they are not that far ahead. :) :) :)

    Go Yanks :)

    Hurry back Pineda for 2013 :) :)

  32. Shame Spencer August 5th, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    blake August 5th, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    If the Playoffs started today….the LA Trouts would not be in the playoffs.

    ————

    I told Compass earlier.. I think if the As keep it close they’ll get in.

  33. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 5th, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Melk Man – well the long and short of it is this. The trade was going to happen because the Yankees were not in the market for a permanent DH nor did they value Montero’s skills as a catcher. So whether Montero hits 1.000 or .100 it’s really irrelevant. That’s basically why talk about the trade is superfluous.

  34. blake August 5th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    I don’t know if the A’s can carry the magic all the way through….the Angels are better than them….If I had to guess I’d say the Angels get in….but the A’s don’t necessarily have to beat the Angels…they just have to be better than the other teams for that last WC spot.

  35. bruceb August 5th, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    Tigers 14-1 in last 15 home games. Big test for messrs Nova, Hughes, CC and Kuroda coming up.

  36. The Return of Stoneburner August 5th, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    It would be great if Montero finishes below .700 OPS – doubtful though – but I will settle for below .740 or .730. :) :)

    Also – it will be interesting looking at his K rate to walk rate at the end of the year :)

    And J.R. Murphy went deep today for Trenton while throwing out a runner :)

  37. blake August 5th, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    I like the matchups in the Detroit series after tomorrow …..Hughes/Porcello, CC/Sanchez, Kuroda/Porcello.

  38. Shame Spencer August 5th, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    Exactly blake.. Wouldn’t it be interesting if say three teams from the AL west made the playoffs along with 3 teams from the AL East…

  39. Duh Innings II August 5th, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    Montero is on pace to finish with 15 HR and 63 RBI, almost exactly what I predicted he would finish with earlier this season (15 HR and 60 RBI.) ‘Not bad for a kid making the rookie minimum but big deal as primary DH Raul Ibanez has already posted 15 HR and 49 RBI through today. If he drives in a run without a homerun tomorrow, he’s on pace to post 22-23 HR and 75 RBI for only $1.1M plus bonus money based on number of plate appearances – a bargain price for that production considering no way A-Rod will finish with those numbers or better like he didn’t last season, and it isn’t a ton more than what Montero is making.

    It is too early to tell if trading Montero was a bad move by the Yanks. If all he’ll ever be for the Ms is a full-time DH who makes 25-30 starts as a catcher a season for the Ms, there’d be no room for him on the 2013-17 Yankees because A-Rod will be the full-time DH for the Yanks after this season or next. I just don’t see A-Rod playing 3B/the field in 2014. The only value Montero would have as a Yankee if he were still a Yankee is as tradebait, an everyday catcher who can’t catch, or a backup catcher who can’t catch.

    Bottom line is Montero was traded because he can’t catch or the Yanks didn’t forsee him as being good as 2013 Russell Martin defensively which he may never be, and the Yanks need DH freed up for an old A-Rod who they need to buy out because he is unacceptable for what he’s making. Time the Yanks play rough with him as they didn’t sign on for this guy to decline not even halfway into his contract.

  40. Melk Man August 5th, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    Pirates and Braves end the regular season with 3 games against eachother at PNC. They are currently the the two WCs in the NL

  41. bruceb August 5th, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    Why do I get the feeling that I will be coming on this blog in 10 years’ time (God willing) and LoHudders will still be arguing about the merits of the Montero/Pineda trade?

  42. blake August 5th, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    “Exactly blake.. Wouldn’t it be interesting if say three teams from the AL west made the playoffs along with 3 teams from the AL East…”

    I dont think thats possible though….only 2 WCs…..therr could be two from each league.

    If the playoffs started tomorrow ….theyd only be 1 east team (Yanks) , 2 central teams (Tigers and ChiSox) , and 2 west teams (As and Rangers).

  43. Villa Nova-Ya August 5th, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    I’m reading the tweets on the sidebar, and Aardsma has a tweet asking if any Yankee player ever botched a play while responding to roll call.

    Didn’t that happen to Melky Cabrera a couple of years back? Or am I misremembering?

  44. Cashmoney August 5th, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    3/4 for the tigers… feel like detroit hitters are gonna smack around Yankees pitchers and Yanks offense wont be able to play catch up. just a hunch.

  45. randy l. August 5th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    ROBINSON CANO AGE 22

    14 HOMERS

    62 RBIS

  46. blake August 5th, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    “9and the Yanks need DH freed up for an old A-Rod who they need to buy out because he is unacceptable for what he’s making”

    So if they pay Arod to retire ….and then replace him with somebody thats worse than him then how does that make them better? You cant buy players out if that option isnt on their contract…you can release them but you still have to pay them…..

    Its not like they can wipe Arod’s money off the books and put Longoria there…..theyd be paying Alex 25 million to sit at home and then putting Casey MCgehee out there…..

  47. CompassRosy August 5th, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    “The doubles, Montero – where are the doubles???? Heck, even Beltre and Sexon would hit doubles in their time with the Mariners and Safeco.”

    ~

    You might want to find some better comps for the doubles…
    Through 48 home games, Jesus is currently tied with Seager and Saunders for the team lead in doubles at The Safe with 9. I’m thinking with 27 home games left, he’s got a good shot to surpass the average number of doubles that Sexson and Beltre put up at The Safe.

    Sexson home doubles from 05-07 = 17, 18, 11
    Betre home doubles from 05-09 = 13, 13, 13, 16, 13

  48. Shame Spencer August 5th, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    Doh, my bad blake, brain fart moment. Have them all too often after celebrating a Yankee win ;)

    “Why do I get the feeling that I will be coming on this blog in 10 years’ time (God willing) and LoHudders will still be arguing about the merits of the Montero/Pineda trade?”

    Because you that’s how it’ll go.. though hopefully we’ll be able to evaluate it within 2-3 more seasons as opposed to ten.

    My take on the trade at this point: The Yanks really just like Gary Sanchez better. And I pray to god that the kid is all they’ve made him out to be and that we actually get to see for ourselves.

  49. bruceb August 5th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    Villa Nova-Ya August 5th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
    I’m reading the tweets on the sidebar, and Aardsma has a tweet asking if any Yankee player ever botched a play while responding to roll call.

    Didn’t that happen to Melky Cabrera a couple of years back? Or am I misremembering?

    Yes, I think it was No. 11 (somewhere around there) on the MLB Network’s missed plays caused by fans the other night. Melky fumbled a single acknowledging the bleecher creatures and turned it into a double. No wonder he was traded!!!

  50. Villa Nova-Ya August 5th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    bruceb -

    Thanks. I thought so. It’s a wonder it hasn’t happened more!

  51. D-Man August 5th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Cashmoney, agree, unfortunately

    Nova’s gonna get rocked tomorrow

    CC has an ERA over 5 as a Yankee in Comerica

    And we’ll lose one of the Hughes/Kuroda games 2-1 or something because we can’t hit a mediocre starter

  52. blake August 5th, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    Montero is hitting :

    .305/.340/.448/.789 in parks not named Safeco Field
    .315/.386/.452/.838 in the 2nd half
    .359/.406/.573 /.979 vs LHP

    overall the numbers aren’t great….but he’s showing some signs of finding it here post all start break….he’s going to have to learn to hit in that ballpark…..once he does that he’ll be fine. I still think he’s going to be a very good big league hitter….all the tools are there…..how good he becomes is what happens between the ears and the adjustments he’s able to make…..that’s the toughest variable.

  53. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    Fans want to simplify the Montero/Pineda trade as a bat for a pitcher. There were other factors at play in the calculation, namely Arod’s decline, Montero’s catching flaws, probability of Hamels, Cain and Greinke not reaching the market, Montero’s splits against righties and tendencies to chase, makeup issues, depth at catcher, availability of bats on the free agent market 1-3 years out, projection of Montero’s peak years maybe being much further into his cost-controlled years.

    You really can’t reduce the trade to “we needed a big bat, not pitching”

  54. Cashmoney August 5th, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    i think Montero will be a good hitter soon than later… i think the longing for a young positional player with good bat will stop when the next crops arrives, which, is no certainty.

  55. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    It’s lazy.

  56. blake August 5th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    “You really can’t reduce the trade to “we needed a big bat, not pitching””

    when he was the only MLB ready hitter they had above A ball and was the #3 overall prospect in baseball then I think you can…..it’s just my opinion….if they were going to trade him I would rather it have been for a more sure thing….but it is what it is….I’m tired of talking about it….I hope Pineda comes back and dominates next year…

  57. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    Blake they didn’t look at Montero as a hitter in a vacuum. They looked at all factors affecting the roster when they traded him.

  58. Shame Spencer August 5th, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    Again.. go Gary Sanchez!!

    Tomorrow I’ll have to remember to ask Jerkface how long Pineda would have to stay in the minors to start next season for us to earn an extra year of control of him. I think its between 22-42 days or something like that…whatever it is, I hope they do it lol. Start him in a low pressure environment to get his season started.

  59. Cashmoney August 5th, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    doubt that blake, I see pineda spend the next full year picking up the pieces …for he was…shattered.

  60. Ys Guy August 5th, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    “blake August 5th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
    If the Playoffs started today….the LA Trouts would not be in the playoffs.”
    ====================
    on this date last year, the cardinals were 5 games behind the wild card.

  61. bruceb August 5th, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    Olympic 100 meters final was run more than four hours ago yet NBC has yet to show it. I may be a Brit exiled in the U.S. but surely even for American sports fans, this is nothing short of a disgrace.

  62. Yank1 August 5th, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    Beltre has a career .717 OPS in 379 games at Safeco.

    There are only 2 other stadiums, in which he has played at least 30 games, that he has a lower career OPS – Tropicana Field and Qualcomm Stadium (which hasn’t existed for like 10 years now).

    He’s played in 40 career stadiums. His OPS is worse than his Safeco OPS in only 5 of the 40 stadiums he has played in.

    Richie Sexon had a .776 OPS at Safeco in his career – 20 points below his career OPS of .851. The only AL parks in which he has a worse OPS than his .776 Safeco OPS are Fenway, Camden Yards, and Oakland (kind of surprised by the first 2).

  63. blake August 5th, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    “Blake they didn’t look at Montero as a hitter in a vacuum. They looked at all factors affecting the roster when they traded him.”

    I know….I’ve said many times I understood why they made the trade…..I just didn’t agree with it….maybe they’ll me right in the end….we’ll see. I like the pitching they had…….didn’t think they HAD to make the deal….their starting pitching has been a strength this year and Pineda hasn’t thrown a pitch…..however they are losing more and more games because the offense is aging…..and I’m afraid that’s going to worsen as time goes…..just how I see it.

  64. mick August 5th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    Why do I get the feeling that I will be coming on this blog in 10 years’ time (God willing) and LoHudders will still be arguing about the merits of the Montero/Pineda trade?
    ==============================
    There would not be a peep if it weren’t for the emotionality of the prospect huggers.
    Disguised a s a love of team, it is really a love of nurture of a prospect they can claim to have discovered.
    More like an obsession, as if someone said something bad about their child, if they have any.
    When others say it was all hype, to further the price, they say no, as we saw it with our own eyes and know better…

  65. blake August 5th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    “doubt that blake, I see pineda spend the next full year picking up the pieces …for he was…shattered.”

    I don’t think there is any way to know what he’ll do next year…..we’ll just have to wait and see….he might be as good as ever after the all star break…..he might not pitch at all…..

  66. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    Shame,

    I think I recall that Pineda has to return to the majors first. He can’t be sent down following an injury. Complicates things.

  67. blake August 5th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    “Tomorrow I’ll have to remember to ask Jerkface how long Pineda would have to stay in the minors to start next season for us to earn an extra year of control of him. I think its between 22-42 days or something like that…whatever it is, I hope they do it lol. Start him in a low pressure environment to get his season started.”

    they absolutely should…..given the injury he’s coming back from and that they lost an entire year of control they should option him to the minors after he’s cleared and work him back up….both to make sure he’s healthy and ready to pitch and to try and get back that year they lost.

  68. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    Blake,

    The successful starting pitching includes two 1-year contracts to vets who may or not return and 1 pitcher who is entering his last season of control.

    What about the future rotation long-term?

    CC plus who?

    Nova was entering his sophomore year.

    Banuelos is injured.

    Betances was demoted.

    Where is the surplus?

  69. Shame Spencer August 5th, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    bruceb August 5th, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    Olympic 100 meters final was run more than four hours ago yet NBC has yet to show it. I may be a Brit exiled in the U.S. but surely even for American sports fans, this is nothing short of a disgrace.

    ————————–

    I read that NBC edited out a mistake made by one of the Russian gymnasts to make viewers think the US team was still in danger of losing the gold lol… how ridiculous but totally unsurprising.

  70. mick August 5th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    I’m reading the tweets on the sidebar, and Aardsma has a tweet asking if any Yankee player ever botched a play while responding to roll call.
    ===================
    what doesn’t this guy twee about…talk about a flake.

  71. blake August 5th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    “I think I recall that Pineda has to return to the majors first. He can’t be sent down following an injury. Complicates things”

    I don’t know if he actually has to come to the majors….I think there is a period of rehab time (30 days maybe) and then he’d have to be optined after that…..not sure though

  72. Yank1 August 5th, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    Pineda didn’t get TJs… that like 95% of people come back from good as new

    The track record of guys with shoulder surgery are 50/50 at best. And I mean guys who came all the way back and stayed healthy and pitched well.

  73. bruceb August 5th, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    Mick, good synopsis of the Montero trade. I think emotions were heightened by the fact that the Yanks are a veteran team and he was our only up-and-coming youngster. Let’s face it, we’re all a little envious of the Angels and what they have in Trout and Trumbo, or the Nats with Harper.

  74. Cashmoney August 5th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    no blake, we don’t. I just think he will take some time to recapture his form even if he is fully healthy. that would likely take him out of equation for the 1st half. then he will have to face the scrutiny of NY fans and YS with the trade on his shoulder. i think very unlikely he will be dominant.

  75. Shame Spencer August 5th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    Bret – I’m really not sure of the details to be honest.. I think someone on here more well versed in the rule book will be able to break it down for us. Whatever the method.. they need to do it. Even if they use some phantom injury.. wouldnt be unheard of.

  76. blake August 5th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    “What about the future rotation long-term?”

    Banuelos wasn’t hurt when they made the trade…..I just didn’t think it was necessary….thought they could have just signed Kuroda and been done….but whatever….again I understand WHY they did it….they are looking for a #1A to pair with CC…..and they gambled that Pineda could be that..

  77. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 5th, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    blake, I respect your perspective on this, though I don’t agree with it. I think that YF had the same perspective. Unless I am mistating it, you were against the trade not necessarily because of the trade itself but because of the player the Yankees got, as opposed to another bat.

    So if posters want to grouse from time to time because Pineda was out for the entire season, so be it. But to grouse because the Yankees chose not to retain Montero and then to continue to regale with Montero stats is, IMO, just so irrelevant. Because all it boils down to is that a group of posters decided Montero shouldn’t be traded and they will continue to pound us with Montero information – despite the fact that the Yankees legitimately couldn’t use him as DH and didn’t value his catching.

    Cripes, at least when I oppressed everyone for almost an entire season when Boomer was traded away, I was on more solid ground because it was pitcher for pitcher! It wasn’t that the Yankees felt they needed to fill another position more and decided that an extra pitcher was unnecessary! I really think it takes a ton of hubris to foghorn continually that your decision to retain a player that a team didn’t want trumps the organization’s decision. I may have hubris but I don’t think even I would go that far!

    :D

  78. Ys Guy August 5th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    Yank1 August 5th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
    Pineda didn’t get TJs… that like 95% of people come back from good as new

    The track record of guys with shoulder surgery are 50/50 at best. And I mean guys who came all the way back and stayed healthy and pitched well.
    ———————————————
    this proceedure seems to be working better and better as time goes on. and most have not had it done arthroscopically and most have had it done at an older age.

    we’ll see but writing him off is way premature.

  79. mick August 5th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    The successful starting pitching includes two 1-year contracts to vets who may or not return and 1 pitcher who is entering his last season of control.

    What about the future rotation long-term?
    =========================
    This is what the leader of the Montero Fan Club likes to accuse others of: result oriented thinking.
    Who knew what Hughes and Nova would do, no less Kuroda or Andy (if he was on the radar at that point). If anything our pitching was suspect.
    It’s not like we had Lee, Halladay and Hamels, oh wait….

  80. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    Blake,

    No Banuelos wasn’t hurt but being a young pitcher he was at higher risk for injury and not guaranteed to pan out like Betances has proved. Manny wasn’t pitching well before the injury.

  81. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 5th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    “My take on the trade at this point: The Yanks really just like Gary Sanchez better. And I pray to god that the kid is all they’ve made him out to be and that we actually get to see for ourselves.”

    Shame, Sanchez and Romine, right?

  82. blake August 5th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    “i think very unlikely he will be dominant.”

    I think if they are lucky he’ll be getting back in the 2nd half…..it’s just so unpredictable…..I really wish he had just blew his elbow….then we’d pretty much have him back close to 100% sometime next year …..shoulders ….who knows…

  83. bruceb August 5th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    Shame, the International Olympic Committee should not award the broadcast rights to a network that is more interested in making money showing the events in “prime time” rather than live. It’s not an issue with the BBC as it’s advertising-free. The 100 meters is the blue riband event of the Olympics yet we have to wait until five hours’ later to watch it??? And, this on the weekend.

  84. Shame Spencer August 5th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    I really hope Alex finds a way to reinvent himself as a hitter and sustain production… I think if he starts to just focus on contact he can retain a lot of value. At this point you almost need that to happen because we have him signed for a very long time.

    I still think Jeter plays for as long as Arod’s on the team lol.

  85. blake August 5th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    “No Banuelos wasn’t hurt but being a young pitcher he was at higher risk for injury and not guaranteed to pan out like Betances has proved”

    kinda like Pineda ;)

  86. randy l. August 5th, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    ROBINSON CANO AGE 22

    14 HOMERS

    62 RBIS

  87. blake August 5th, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    The thing that sucked the most about the Arod injury was that he was just starting to look like somebody that resembled Arod when he got hurt…..he had killed the ball on that road trip and looked like he was heating up…..now all that is gone and he’s going to have to try and find his timing again with very little time before the playoffs start……Felix has not been kind to the Yankees

  88. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    Blake,

    Right, the Yankees needed to stockpile as many young arms as possible because they are prone to injury (Manny, Pineda) and underperforming (Betances).

  89. Shame Spencer August 5th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    trisha – I think they really do/did like Romine but my personal concern is his back and I’d have to think the front office is at least a bit weary about it as well. It’s just a tough injury for a catcher because anyone who has dealt with back issues knows that they’re very, very tricky. Hopefully he’s a real young guy and bounces back without issue, but I’m taking more of a wait and see approach with Romine without counting on him too much. Hopefully he surprises me!

  90. blake August 5th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    to be fair Robbie did hit .297 with .778 OPS as a 22 year old…..but the point is that guys develop at different rates…..lots of really good players stunk their rookie year or for big stretches in their rookie year……

  91. blake August 5th, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    “Right, the Yankees needed to stockpile as many young arms as possible because they are prone to injury ”

    which is why I didn’t think they should have traded their #1 prospect for a guy right in that injury matrix…..

  92. Ys Guy August 5th, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    the olympics are available live on the internet so you can watch them on your computer, your phone or you can hook you computer up to your tv and watch it live on tv.

    so you are just complaining that it’s too hard for you to watch it on your big screen when you want to.

  93. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 5th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    Shame, I think you are right that Gary Sanchez is the ultimate prize they have their eyes on and thought Romine would carry them through in the meantime. And yes, back injuries are unforgiving – and constant. Ask Hayseed Beckett.

  94. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    No the point is that Montero is on track to become the next Robinson Cano.

    Their OPS so far are only about 100 points off.

    :lol:

  95. Shame Spencer August 5th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    bruce – Ideally it’d be aired on a non profit but the only one in the US, I believe, is PBS lol. It comes down to who can pay the most and we’re at the mercy of the network. Hopefully all the backlash will help shape coverage of the coming Olympics in 2014.

  96. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 5th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    bruceb, I didn’t know you were an exiled Brit!

    :)

    Welcome to America – though I don’t know how long you’ve actually been here.

  97. Cashmoney August 5th, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    along the lines of Arod… i am starting to wonder if Pettite will have enough time to be Pettite

  98. Shame Spencer August 5th, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    Honestly trisha, if he played any other position I’d be much less concerned. The act of catching is just punishing on the body though.. again, I hope he bounces back (unintentional pun) and proves me wrong.

  99. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    Blake,

    You can’t build a patchwork rotation of vets or experienced guys set to earn their first big paycheck. Ask the Phillies.

  100. bruceb August 5th, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    the olympics are available live on the internet so you can watch them on your computer, your phone or you can hook you computer up to your tv and watch it live on tv.

    so you are just complaining that it’s too hard for you to watch it on your big screen when you want to.

    What about my shed at the bottom of the garden?

  101. Shame Spencer August 5th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    blake August 5th, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    The thing that sucked the most about the Arod injury was that he was just starting to look like somebody that resembled Arod when he got hurt

    —————-

    I don’t see Alex as a guy ready to rest on his laurels.. I think he can pull a Jeter ;)

  102. blake August 5th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    Speaking of Usain Bolt and Jesus Montero…..I would love to see those two race a 100 meter sprint. Would Montero be 1/3 of the way finished when Bolt crossed the line?

  103. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    I walked my dog twice now for a total of about 20-30 minutes but the little bugger didn’t go potty and he’s content just to lay here by my computer farting in my face every two minutes.

  104. blake August 5th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    “You can’t build a patchwork rotation of vets or experienced guys set to earn their first big paycheck. Ask the Phillies.”

    They built the rotation this year just fine without Pineda

  105. randy l. August 5th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    ” he’s content just to lay here by my computer farting in my face every two minutes.”

    smart dog

  106. bruceb August 5th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    Eight years, Trish, although I’ve been watching and following the Yankees since 1984 when I first came over here. My first baseball game was at Shea on a wet Wednesday night. Astros beat the Mets 1-0 in the 15th or something like that. Next night I went to the Yankees and saw them win 15-12 or by some ridiculous scoreline. Wonder why I picked the Yankees as my team!!!

  107. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    I don’t have enough faith that Arod can rediscover himself like Jeter has. They have different swings and different approaches. Derek has always hit the ball where it is pitched and has a compact swing. Arod has a long swing and has always been more of a guess hitter.

    I think Arod’s numbers are going to continue to plummet as they have every year for the past 5 seasons.

  108. Shame Spencer August 5th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    Actually YS, most people that can stream these events live are still getting the NBC coverage that some feel is lacking… You are right though, many people have found loopholes. They can’t just stream BBC coverage but they can make it seem as though their IPs are located in Britain to get the feed. Really quite clever.

  109. blake August 5th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    “I don’t see Alex as a guy ready to rest on his laurels.. I think he can pull a Jeter ;)”

    they are different hitters though,…..Alex is all about timing….mechanics….all that stuff has to be right for him to peform and it’s hard for him to just jump in and hit…..Jeter just sees ball hits ball…..we saw last year that Alex had a tough time finding it after the injury….I hope he can….we’ll see.

  110. Ys Guy August 5th, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    i’ve been questioning of andy’s window to get back in time for a while now. he seems to be behind the ‘best case’ time. time is running short lets hope there are no more setbacks.

  111. MG August 5th, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue August 5th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
    And I’m sure each and every one of you once again prematurely making incorrect assessments and predictions have pitched in the majors on one of the most disgustingly humid days of the year and unequivocally haven’t given up a hit or walked anyone. That’s how astoundingly your expertise travels the globe.

    Wouldn’t want a single worrier with me on any kind of difficult mission. I’m sure I would be taking out the smelling salts.

    6-2. That means he gave up no more than 2 runs.

    Although Garcia snapped a personal three-game losing streak in taking the rubber match of the three-game series against the Mariners, he has allowed three or fewer earned runs in six of seven starts since rejoining the rotation July 2.

    And some of you want him out of the rotation and Phelps to take his place? Perspective much? Veruka Salt (Willy Wonka, not the band) syndrome much? Glass jaw much?
    ——————–
    Since I was one of those who posted exactly that today so have the grounds to reply to this nonsense.

    Trisha, had you watched today’s game you might come to exactly the same conclusion (assuming you know something about pitching at any level).

    Garcia was throwing the ball really well before he went back into the rotation and in his subsequent starts but today (and in his previous start) he is back to throwing the kind of slop he had all through April when he was lit up.

    A good hitting team would have knocked him out in less than 3 innings today, that isn’t the Mariners.

    Having not seen any part of his performance your comments are completely out of line. The Yankees will most likely stick with Garcia until Andy gets back but it doesn’t make it the right move considering how well Phelps has been throwing the ball.

    I rarely, if ever, offer a criticism of a Yankees decision but also strongly believe the best 5 pitchers on the staff should be in the rotation-Garcia isn’t one of them at this point in his career and in this season.

  112. Yank1 August 5th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    The Phillies problem last year, this year, and for the foreseeable future, is their declining offense with no real replacements on the horizon… sounds familiar.

  113. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    Blake,

    And they built it just fine with Garcia and Colon last year. But now look at those 2. Sooner or later it blows up in your face if you go year-to-year and constantly have your back up against the wall trying to add quality starters. Hamels, Cain, Greinke – these guys aren’t reaching free agency anymore. Guys Cliff Lee’s age might but look at his contract and how bad it looks for the next 4 years at his age.

  114. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Yank1,

    And no money to fix it because it’s tied up in overpriced pitchers.

  115. mick August 5th, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    The Yanks might be missing an opportunity to replace Nova with Phelps, as well.
    How many more sloppy starts will he get ?
    Why does Freddy have to be the odd man out when Andy returns?

  116. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 5th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    “Honestly trisha, if he played any other position I’d be much less concerned. The act of catching is just punishing on the body though.. again, I hope he bounces back (unintentional pun) and proves me wrong.”

    Shame I think you absoluely hit it on the head with that assessment. There is no question that catchers bodies get beat up continually. And having to be in a squatting position throughout an entire 9 half innings has to be brutal on the back, especially the lower back. Back issues for a catcher has to throw up a huge red flag.

  117. Eroc August 5th, 2012 at 9:35 pm


    Why does Freddy have to be the odd man out when Andy returns?”

    Because he has no future here and no upside to starting him. We’re going to the playoffs, we’re going to win the division. Any opportunity to get younger pitchers more starts should be taken advantage of

  118. blake August 5th, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    “But now look at those 2. Sooner or later it blows up in your face if you go year-to-year and constantly have your back up against the wall trying to add quality starters. ”

    I like some of the young pitchers they have…..you can find pitching….it’s traded all the time and you can find old goats that can perform as well…..finding a young middle of the order bat is really hard to find these days….teams just don’t trade them often…..Montero might not develop in to that….but he’s got a chance to.

  119. Shame Spencer August 5th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    I, like others, am also sick of the patchwork rotations which we have seemed to have a lot of over the past several years to some degree but I also have to give the Yanks credit for making it work and think they could do the same through 2014.

    We had a couple young guys come up and it didn’t work out as we had thought (having IPK, Hughes, and Joba in the rotation by this point). We just have to keep faith in the process and hope they can draft and trade for some key pieces.

  120. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Blake,

    Middle of the order bat?

    That’s more a talking point than reality. Montero’s sporting an OPS below .700. That won’t cut it in NY.

    What about patchwork at DH and always being able to find a Raul Ibanez?

  121. mick August 5th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Why does Freddy have to be the odd man out when Andy returns?”

    Because he has no future here and no upside to starting him. We’re going to the playoffs, we’re going to win the division. Any opportunity to get younger pitchers more starts should be taken advantage of
    ================
    Agreed.
    My point is that Phelps should be ready to replace whomever needs to be replaced.

  122. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 5th, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    “Eight years, Trish, although I’ve been watching and following the Yankees since 1984 when I first came over here. My first baseball game was at Shea on a wet Wednesday night. Astros beat the Mets 1-0 in the 15th or something like that. Next night I went to the Yankees and saw them win 15-12 or by some ridiculous scoreline. Wonder why I picked the Yankees as my team!!!”

    We are so lucky that you picked those games to go to bruceb! Imagine if it just so happened that the score were reversed in the games you picked. We’d be missing one of our most rational posters!

    :)

  123. randy l. August 5th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    tonight, the mariners call and offer montero for pineda as is.

    does cashman make the deal?

  124. blake August 5th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    “Middle of the order bat?”

    yea….he’s got that upside….still does….no different than saying the Yankees traded for a #1 starter in Pineda which is what you’re doing when you say they did it because Hamels wouldn’t be available.

  125. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    Nope. Cashman can always sign an Ibanez at DH for pennies year-to-year and work in Arod at DH.

  126. blake August 5th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    “tonight, the mariners call and offer montero for pineda as is.”

    you have to….I don’t know if Cashman would or not….but there is a chance Pineda never pitches in the majors again…..I think there is a good chance he will….and probably even a good chance he makes it back all the way…..but there is a real chance he’s never the same with that injury.

  127. mick August 5th, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    In reality, Phelps is a 5th starter and as such, is not a necessity to be in the rotation as of now.
    We should be able to win this division with almost any 5th starter.
    He does not figure to start in the playoffs and , in fact, should be a valuable piece in the pen.
    So he is getting that experience now instead.

  128. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    What is more risky, riding Colon and Garcia and patchwork rotations year-to-year or signing Raul Ibanez types to DH?

  129. bruceb August 5th, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    Thanks, Trish, although I’ll be the first to admit I’m a real pain in the ass to live when the Yanks are losing. Just ask the missus!

  130. blake August 5th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    “What is more risky, riding Colon and Garcia and patchwork rotations year-to-year or signing Raul Ibanez types to DH?”

    Garcia isn’t even supposed to be in the rotation….the Yanks have Sabathia and 2 guys in their mid 20′s there and another who could be in Phelps.

  131. DaveD August 5th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    They need to badly infuse some young blood and bat speed into the lineup. They need to remove the Ks from the lineup and add some speed if possible, and certainly come contact hitting.

    ARod/Jeter/Tex/Cano are here for the foreseeable future

    That leaves Martin, Swisher, Granderson, LF, and DH to upgrade. They’ll certainly let Swisher go. They could go for a 3B like Headley and move ARod to DH. They could trade Grandy for some prospects and go after Melky or Upton via trade. No idea what they do about catcher. They need to do something this winter though and get younger and remove the strikeouts and low averages.

  132. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 5th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    MG – it’s tough to argue that a pitcher who has allowed 3 or fewer ER in 6 of his 7 starts since rejoining the rotation shouldn’t be in the rotation. On top of it, he’s a seasoned veteran. For now I’d much rather have him than play around with an unknown entity in terms of what we’d be getting for 5 or more continuous innings in the majors.

    If the guy was giving up tons of runs every outing, then sure, get him out of the rotation. The point of the game is to win.

    And I’m pretty tough when it comes to getting thrown so I doubt that I would have been too worried if Freddy only allowed 2 ER, regardless of how he was pitching. Heck I’ve seen a lot of the Yankee rotation have shaky outings. It’s how you handle a shaky outing that counts, not that you’ve had one.

  133. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    The Yankees have Sabathia and a bunch of question marks long term. The rest is patchwork.

  134. Shame Spencer August 5th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    I think the upsides for starting Phelps is what gets people so upset with Garcia’s starting.. not only can you develop Phelps but you can make him more valuable in the off season for a possible trade by actually letting him pitch.

  135. blake August 5th, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    “The Yankees have Sabathia and a bunch of question marks long term. The rest is patchwork.”

    Nova won 16 games last year….Kuroda is really good…..Hughes is good when he’s healthy….I don’t see it that way. .

  136. blake August 5th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    either way I’m tired of talking about the trade….

  137. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    DaveD,

    I would agree with that. But it won’t happen all at once. They’ll phase out Swisher one year, Granderson the next, Gardner after him. They will stopgap at catcher until Romine or Sanchez is ready. DH will be a year-to-year stopgap situation with Arod needing more AB’s there but not until Headley’s closer to the end of his contract.

    Melky is the obvious immediate upgrade in the OF staring Hal’s budget in the 00′s

  138. bruceb August 5th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    A good hitting team would have knocked him out in less than 3 innings today, that isn’t the Mariners.

    I think that is fair comment and I always fear for Freddy when he goes up against the better AL lineups. But although I’ve been very impressed with what Phelps has done this year, there’s no guarantee he would do better than Garcia. As Girardi said in today’s post-game interview, he usually keeps you in games.

  139. Shame Spencer August 5th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Blake – Spot on about Alex vs. Jeter as hitters… what I guess I’m really banking on is Arod’s pure baseball talent and instincts. He’s considered to be a student of the game so I’m hoping he realizes he needs to adjust his approach and takes the steps to make it work… I understand why people have their doubts but like I said I think he’s an especially driven guy and I don’t think he’ll be satisfied if he’s not at a certain level of production.

  140. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 5th, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    bruceb – somehow I get the feeling that there are a lot of missus’s (because missuses sounds like mis-uses!) out there who have cranky spouses when the Yanks lose! Or maybe some pet owners whose pets know to stay in the other room! I don’t think you’re alone in that.

    :)

    It has been so nice talking with you all. As Pat M, I believe, pointed out, it’s so much nicer around here after a Yankee win!

    On to my DVRd olympics.

    Night, all.

  141. mick August 5th, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    I think the upsides for starting Phelps is what gets people so upset with Garcia’s starting.. not only can you develop Phelps but you can make him more valuable in the off season for a possible trade by actually letting him pitch.
    =======================
    Or you can pencil him in as next year’s 5th starter.

  142. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    If Pettitte returns in time maybe the Yankees can put Freddy on the waiver wire and grab a good minor leaguer from the Pirates or Dodgers for him.

  143. Shame Spencer August 5th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    I think Phelps vs Garcia is actually a wash in the ways we’re using this spot.. the expectations are low and you’re just trying to squeeze what you can out of this #5 guy, right? I think Phelps may have better stuff at this point but Freddy has the savvy to know how to give you innings and keep you in the game. I do think the benefits of using Phelps (the ones I posted before) outweigh those of using Freddy on some level but I suppose they could also try to move Garcia as easily in the off season (we signed him for 2 seasons right?) as they could move Phelps.. perhaps even more easily? I dunno.. I understand both sides on this one.

  144. mick August 5th, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    If Pettitte returns in time maybe the Yankees can put Freddy on the waiver wire and grab a good minor leaguer from the Pirates or Dodgers for him.
    ================================
    And give Phelps the long man role for the playoffs.

  145. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    Phelps needs to start in September because he can mow down the September callups and boost his trade value and/or audition for the 2013 rotation against weaker competition. The Yankees might be able to sell high on him if a Chase Headley or someone like him becomes available for a fair price.

  146. Yank1 August 5th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    But can Ibanez catch up to a Verlander or Greinke fastball in October?

    He is redundant here – another .240 hitter who has a long swing and declining bat speed who will hit a HR here and there against one kind of pitching and is utterly useless against the other. Ibanez is fine for his role, as a power hitting platoon DH, but he is far from an answer for us. You can only collect so many of these 38 yr olds who swing for the fences and have a very limited skill set.

    Montero, had the potential, to be an all-round hitter, average, doubles, power, bat speed, good approach. If power is the sole skill they are seeking, than this is the kind of offense we will see – high strikeouts, poor situational hitting, good power.

  147. Ys Guy August 5th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    whether you would undo the trade today or not you’d still be in the same position on either side. its still a wash.

  148. Shame Spencer August 5th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    I really hope Kuroda likes it hear and is willing to sign for another year.. and of course that he’s willing to sign for what the Yankees are prepared to offer him. He’s been everything I expected and more.. I like him a lot in a game 2. Nova and Hughes give me agida but I also am happy to role the dice with either in the next spot should Andy not be ready. Hopefully Andy comes back and you can use either Nova or Hughes as a caddie in case he can’t give you innings or (god forbid, knock on wood, etc) has a setback.

  149. Cashmoney August 5th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    really like to see what kind of bat David Adam has… he needs to be promoted to AAA soon. along that line, watching Yankees are pretty boring with playoff spot and division lead in little risk… like to see some young blood mix in in sept call up.

  150. randy l. August 5th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    ” its still a wash.”

    that’s hogwash.

    cashman couldn’t get crap for pineda right now in a trade.

    what would any team give the yankees for pineda?

    very little.

    on the other hand, seattle could trade montero and get a decent young pitcher in return.

    it’s obvious montero is worth way more than pineda in his present condition..

  151. Cashmoney August 5th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    whether you would undo the trade today or not you’d still be in the same position on either side. its still a wash.
    —-
    are you delusional? at the minimum Montero can serve as rh bat and back up catcher for Martin while other 2 in hospital bed. i, personally, would play him every day at catching.

  152. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    It does seem Phelps is being Noesi’d though and we’ll soon hear Cashman raving about his 97 MPH fastball down in the AFL or how so many GM’s are inquiring about him.

    He could be part of something substantial.

    I still want at least Melky.

    A big trade for a big bat would be a bonus.

  153. Against All Odds August 5th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    its still a wash.

    —————————–

    Not when one guy is coming back from an injury to his shoulder no less. If it was TJ the reaction would have been different.

  154. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/.....b&wjb

    Marshand wrote something that isn’t trash….

  155. Shame Spencer August 5th, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    Can anyone explain to me why they have a trade deadline.. but guys can get traded after the deadline? I’m sure this is a really stupid question, btw.

  156. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    “really like to see what kind of bat David Adam has”

    he played 3B tonight…went 3-5 and is hitting .314

  157. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    If nothing else Montero would be an upgrade DH bat against LH pitching over Jones…..he’s OPSing almost 1 vs LHP…..

    and again Montero is hitting .315 in the 2nd half….

  158. mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    it’s obvious montero is worth way more than pineda in his present condition..
    ============================
    Is this what its come down to?
    Comparing the trade as a win by Sea. by default?
    You can’t even rate a presidency till years and years after .
    Now we are rating a trade for a generational bat on this years results?
    At the very least, look how far Montero’s value fallen.

  159. Shame Spencer August 5th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    Calling it a wash is a bit extreme when one player is on an MLB roster and the other hasn’t pitched an inning. I understand the hyperbole though.. this entire debate has taken on a life of its own and we’ve all gone there at some point.

  160. Cashmoney August 5th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    Yeah, like to see if he has a legit mlb bat blake, never seen him played live, but pre injury, Adams seem to have a real plus bat for 2b – judging by his obp and slugging in A and AA.

  161. mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    If nothing else Montero would be an upgrade DH bat against LH pitching over Jones…..he’s OPSing almost 1 vs LHP…..
    ====================
    how far has his value fallen if that is how you see him…

  162. Against All Odds August 5th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    how far has his value fallen if that is how you see him…

    ———————

    Playing devil’s advocate what’s Pineda’s value at this point?

  163. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    “anyone explain to me why they have a trade deadline.. but guys can get traded after the deadline? I’m sure this is a really stupid question, btw.”

    basically to just keep teams from adding a player just for the postseason……..they don’t want teams picking up guys like the last week of the season for nothing…..

  164. Ys Guy August 5th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    wow, he’d be a slight improvemt as a platoon against LH pitching?

    that’s GENERATIONAL!

  165. Cashmoney August 5th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    how far has his value fallen if that is how you see him…
    ====
    obviously, some. but consider his age, that crappy lineup, that atrocious stadium he plays 81 game in. the responsibility batting clean up. He think he is doing aight, he just aint the generational bat that some claim he is. I think he be a good hitter down the road. catching as a regular gig I am not so certain.

  166. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    “Yeah, like to see if he has a legit mlb bat blake, never seen him played live, but pre injury, Adams seem to have a real plus bat for 2b – judging by his obp and slugging in A and AA.”

    I haven’t see him play much but sounds like his bat would play better at 2B….but if he’s a big leaguer and can play 3B then to me it really doesn’t matter if he and Cano are in the same lineup…..he’s got good minor league numbers.

  167. mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    If nothing else Montero would be an upgrade DH bat against LH pitching over Jones…..he’s OPSing almost 1 vs LHP…..
    =======================
    Imagine if the Yanks knew this when they made the trade (sarcasm),
    and saw they could get Pineda for this part-time dh.
    Too bad they couldn’t know Pineda would get hurt,
    then sure they don’t make the deal.

  168. randy l. August 5th, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    anyone who would take pineda in his present condition over a player who is playing and putting up good age 22 numbers is delusional.

    anyone who think any gm in baseball would take a broken injured pineda over a healthy montero is delusional.

  169. mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    Playing devil’s advocate what’s Pineda’s value at this point?
    ==================
    Again, as we cannot predict the future, you cannot judge this deal as of today.

  170. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    Montero’s trade value has fallen due to performance.

    Pineda’s trade value has fallen due to injury.

    So right now the Yankees scouts were a good judge of talent and sold high on Montero but we’ll have to see if Pineda turns out to be as talented as they project.

  171. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    “wow, he’d be a slight improvemt as a platoon against LH pitching?”

    vs LHP

    Jones: .227/.281/.482/.763
    Montero: .359/.406/.573/.979

    slight? Pineda hasn’t thrown a pitch…..hardly a wash…

  172. Ys Guy August 5th, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    you’re leaving out the effect of his .209 vs. RH pitchers. if montero was still in the yankees organization, it wouldnt be in the majors.

  173. Against All Odds August 5th, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    Playing devil’s advocate what’s Pineda’s value at this point?
    ==================
    Again, as we cannot predict the future, you cannot judge this deal as of today.

    ———————————

    Is the deal being judged or is everyone just stating where the players are at the moment

  174. mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    If we fail to win the ALDS because of the lack of a RH bat, would that have been enough to consider keeping Montero around instead of “gambling” on Pineda, if indeed it was one.

    You could bring up last years ALDS and say yes it would be worth it but evidently the Yanks didn’t think that was why they lost.

  175. randy l. August 5th, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    “Too bad they couldn’t know Pineda would get hurt,”

    i knew he was going to get hurt with that motion.

    why didn’t they know it?

  176. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    “if montero was still in the yankees organization, it wouldnt be in the majors.”

    false. He’s mashing lefites and he’s hitting .315 in the 2nd half…..

  177. mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    Is the deal being judged or is everyone just stating where the players are at the moment
    ==========================
    Isn’t that the same thing?

  178. mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    i knew he was going to get hurt with that motion.

    why didn’t they know it?
    ====================
    lucky guess on your part?

  179. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    and he’s hitting .305 away from Safeco…..he’s hitting like .416 career and Yankee stadium so who knows what he would have done…..that ball park in seattle gets in young hitters heads I think……

  180. Ys Guy August 5th, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    you ‘knew’ montero was going to be a great hitter. so far that’s just your theory.

  181. Cashmoney August 5th, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    “if montero was still in the yankees organization, it wouldnt be in the majors.”
    ——
    lol that’s still 20 points higher than Thurman Martin, you for real?

  182. mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    .he’s hitting like .416 career and Yankee stadium so who knows what he would have done…..
    ====================
    most of that against September callups?

  183. Against All Odds August 5th, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    Is the deal being judged or is everyone just stating where the players are at the moment
    ==========================
    Isn’t that the same thing?

    ————————–

    No it’s not.

  184. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    “you ‘knew’ montero was going to be a great hitter. so far that’s just your theory.”

    noting is guaranteed….and I have only ever said that he has a chance to be a great hitter….he still does…..

  185. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    “most of that against September callups?”

    not really.

  186. RMS August 5th, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    are you delusional? at the minimum Montero can serve as rh bat and back up catcher for Martin while other 2 in hospital bed. i, personally, would play him every day at catching.

    ——————————————————————————-
    Eric Wedge, former catcher, uses Montero mostly as a DH.

  187. Against All Odds August 5th, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    i knew he was going to get hurt with that motion.

    why didn’t they know it?
    ====================
    lucky guess on your part?
    —————————-

    Not luck at all:

    He’s in the injury matrix for a pitcher
    He was not in good shape
    Has a violent delivery
    Was injured in the minors

  188. mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    i can’t wait til pineda comes back and does well or they trade him for someone who does.
    then we can reevaluate this trade.
    and you can eat crow for judging the deal a failure cause he would have been a good dh platoon…in 2012….when we are running away with it.

  189. mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    He’s in the injury matrix for a pitcher
    He was not in good shape
    Has a violent delivery
    Was injured in the minors
    =================
    and the Yanks knew none of this?

  190. Ys Guy August 5th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    its still a wash.

  191. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    “Eric Wedge, former catcher, uses Montero mostly as a DH”

    he’s caught 41% of the games he’s played and has hit .306/.344/.472..816 in those games.

  192. mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    Eric Wedge, former catcher, uses Montero mostly as a DH.
    ==============================
    maybe they are getting ready to trade him at his max value?

  193. mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    he’s caught 41% of the games he’s played and has hit .306/.344/.472..816 in those games.
    ===========================
    mostly against LHP?

  194. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:27 pm

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  195. Against All Odds August 5th, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    He’s in the injury matrix for a pitcher
    He was not in good shape
    Has a violent delivery
    Was injured in the minors
    =================
    and the Yanks knew none of this?

    ——————

    They knew it but looked past it because the upside was great. When Cashman wants a player he’ll chase them forever until he gets them.

  196. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    For those of us who weren’t sold on Montero to begin with, what has he done in 2012 to change our minds? Anything of note?

  197. mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    They knew it but looked past it because the upside was great.
    ============================
    Maybe they thought Montero’s upside wasn’t great.

  198. randy l. August 5th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    “you ‘knew’ montero was going to be a great hitter. so far that’s just your theory.”

    was it a theory that cano would be a great hitter when he had 14 homers at age 22 and 62 rbis?

    young hitters grow very quickly when they do well as a 22 year old.

    for playing at safeco , montero is doing well.

  199. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    “mostly against LHP?”

    dunno….

  200. RMS August 5th, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    he’s caught 41% of the games he’s played and has hit .306/.344/.472..816 in those games.

    ——————————————————————————————————–
    41% only because their other catcher was injured.

  201. Against All Odds August 5th, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    They knew it but looked past it because the upside was great.
    ============================
    Maybe they thought Montero’s upside wasn’t great.

    ——————————

    Maybe they did but these are the same ppl they basically beg teams to take Cano until they realized the kid could play.

  202. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    I still haven’t seen one shred of evidence from Montero to change my opinion of him.

  203. Against All Odds August 5th, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    ****begged****

  204. mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Maybe they did but these are the same ppl they basically beg teams to take Cano until they realized the kid could play.
    ===================
    Then why wasn’t he traded?

  205. Ys Guy August 5th, 2012 at 10:33 pm

    …the way this is going, next year you guys will be saying ‘well, he’s hitting .360 in day games on the road…

  206. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:33 pm

    “Then why wasn’t he traded?”

    cause other teams screwed up…namely Texas.

  207. Against All Odds August 5th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Maybe they did but these are the same ppl they basically beg teams to take Cano until they realized the kid could play.
    ===================
    Then why wasn’t he traded?

    ———————————

    He came up, played well, and Cashman was on his rebuilding the farm campaign. Cano and Wang was like feather in his cap. Look guys kids from the farm that we developed ourselves

  208. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    “…the way this is going, next year you guys will be saying ‘well, he’s hitting .360 in day games on the road…”

    here are Pineda’s 2012 splits:

    1st half : 0
    2nd half : 0

  209. mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    cano was out there for all to see and nobody could spot his greatness?

  210. Tar August 5th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    “Eric Wedge, former catcher, uses Montero mostly as a DH.”

    Wedge is smart he’s only 22 and Seattle is going no where. He’s the BUC no need to rush his development as a catcher.

    It’s ok though, the Yankees have Chris Stewart. :shock:

  211. Ys Guy August 5th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    “here are Pineda’s 2012 splits:

    1st half : 0
    2nd half : 0″

    i just love consistency…

  212. mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    here are Pineda’s 2012 splits:

    1st half : 0
    2nd half : 0===

    ==================
    so you are saying Sea 1 NYY -0 based on 1 year?
    what about next year?
    and the year after?
    If Montero is traded would that effect your judgment?

  213. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    If someone out there can name one specific achievement of Montero in 2012 for his detractors please let us know what it is.

    Anything at all?

    Nothing jumps out at me.

  214. Bo knows August 5th, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    I hate Teix because he cost the Yankees Trout.

    Same kind of specious reasoning about Montero pro or con.

  215. Bronx Jeers August 5th, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    Well we’re about 200 days past the big trade.

    Let’s see there’s denial, anger , bargaining, depression and acceptance.

    1 passed ball and the trade’s a wash? I guess that’s bargaining.

  216. mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    maybe Sea felt bad for us and gave us Ichiro as a makeup?

  217. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    “what about next year?
    and the year after?”

    TBD

  218. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    Seriously i want to see some hard evidence before I change my mind. Excite me. Inspire me.

  219. Against All Odds August 5th, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    If someone out there can name one specific achievement of Montero

    ——————————

    Didn’t get hurt?

  220. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    “If someone out there can name one specific achievement of Montero in 2012 for his detractors please let us know what it is.”

    what did you expect for a rookie hitting in Safeco? Ask that question again in 2 or 3 years and we’ll see.

  221. mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    If someone out there can name one specific achievement of Montero in 2012 for his detractors please let us know what it is.

    Anything at all?

    Nothing jumps out at me.
    ===================
    Brett,
    Didn’t you know , silence is golden.

  222. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    Why is Montero any greater than the player many doubted before Cashman dealt him?

    Has he proved us wrong by putting up some significant numbers in 2012 or accomplished some major feat?

    What’s the big deal?

  223. The Return of Stoneburner August 5th, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    Pineda and Campos have an excuse for their lack of results

    Montero and Noesi – not so much

    And when Montero allows a critical passed ball – it actually negatively impacts his team. There is no way this season Pineda can hurt the Yanks – it is a zero value – but Montero actually adds a negative value to his team’s winning ability – as evident by his -.1 WAR going into today’s game – - – -

  224. Cashmoney August 5th, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    for this season, Jaso be a perfect fit on the Yanks.

  225. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    he’s OPSing almost 1 against LHP…..for a 22 year old that’s not bad even if it is a big platoon split…….you really can’t make conclusions about a player based on their rookie season…..

  226. Against All Odds August 5th, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    Bo knows August 5th, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    I hate Teix because he cost the Yankees Trout.

    —————————–

    This might be the wrong the to say but shouldn’t the Yankees have developed a Trout or a player close to him by this point?

  227. mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    for this season, Jaso be a perfect fit on the Yanks.
    ==============================
    But who would then catch for the Mariners?

  228. The Return of Stoneburner August 5th, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    Also – Montero was NEVER going to play for the Yanks. He was always a chip to deal for pitching. Sherman said it best – they fired him like a bullet. Whether that bullet has missed it mark – we still shall see – go Pineda in 2013 :)

  229. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    “for this season, Jaso be a perfect fit on the Yanks.”

    I was hoping they could kidnap him during this series

  230. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    Blake,

    I said I wanted hard evidence before I change my mind. Excuses don’t cut it for me. Splits. Small samples. Suggestions. Projects about what he “could” do.

    What in 2012 is supposed to change my mind about him or anyone else’s who doubted him?

    If anything, he has confirmed the doubts.

  231. Cashmoney August 5th, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    This might be the wrong the to say but shouldn’t the Yankees have developed a Trout or a player close to him by this point?
    —–
    1. you cant talent like trout has. 2. Yanks traded ajax and melky, who seem to have come into their own at this point.

  232. mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    he’s OPSing almost 1 against LHP…..for a 22 year old that’s not bad even if it is a big platoon split……
    ==============================
    that’s what they will use to trade him…didn’t they just draft another catcher in the 1st round?

  233. Against All Odds August 5th, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    Cashmoney August 5th, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    This might be the wrong the to say but shouldn’t the Yankees have developed a Trout or a player close to him by this point?
    —–
    1. you cant talent like trout has. 2. Yanks traded ajax and melky, who seem to have come into their own at this point.

    ————————

    True but yr after yr the farm is touted and yr after yr it’s a waiting game. Now we’re banking on kids in A ball.

  234. Cashmoney August 5th, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    I was hoping they could kidnap him during this series
    ======
    i was hoping snider and jaso… two not so expensive pieces that Yanks could have try to acquire.

  235. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    Bret,

    watch him play over the next couple of years and lets see…..it’s too early to form a final opinion on him….

  236. Cashmoney August 5th, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    AOA, i aint banking on *(*(… that’s why amassing talents would be the way to go… out of quantity some will rise under most circumstances.

  237. Ys Guy August 5th, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    ops’ing a 1 would be great if it was against rh pitching but its just against lh pitching.

    unfortunately he’s ops’ing at .550 vs. righties.

  238. mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    randy has accomplished his goal as an agitator, i wouldn’t call him a troll, it’s better with these discussions, good job randy, and once again nice hit and run…not in a bad way.

  239. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    “that’s what they will use to trade him…didn’t they just draft another catcher in the 1st round?”

    yup…they drafted who they felt was the best available…..Montero might be a 1B in Seattle sooner than later anyway…..

  240. Against All Odds August 5th, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    Cashmoney August 5th, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    AOA, i aint banking on *(*(… that’s why amassing talents would be the way to go… out of quantity some will rise under most circumstances.

    ————————–

    Hopefully that’s the case

  241. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    Blake,

    The Montero fan club has been hyping and pumping this guy before during and definitely after the trade.

    What I want to know is, what has he done in 2012 to keep this hype machine chugging along?

    If he hasn’t done anything than admit it. You can talk about what he “could” do but realize that it’s tough to persuade his doubters when you don’t have a foundation of hard evidence to work with. He has only stoked the doubt in 2012. I don’t think anyone (not saying you are) could hold that against his doubters. We’re only seeing what he has given us.

  242. mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    Montero might be a 1B in Seattle sooner than later anyway…..
    ==================
    can’t wait for that…why didn’t the Yanks think of that?
    think he can field there better than at C?

  243. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    And that’s nothing special.

  244. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    “ops’ing a 1 would be great if it was against rh pitching but its just against lh pitching.”

    but you’ll admit that having a 1 OPS hitter vs LHP is better so far than a hurt pitcher right? So far it’s not a wash at all…..hopefully Pineda changes that starting next year.

  245. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    “think he can field there better than at C?”

    sure….it’s easier

  246. mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    What I want to know is, what has he done in 2012 to keep this hype machine chugging along?
    =======================
    By the lack of their presence and response…nothing .

  247. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    “What I want to know is, what has he done in 2012 to keep this hype machine chugging along?”

    he’s played…..he’s struggled more than I thought he would…..but nothing was ever guaranteed and at the end of the day this season doesn’t really mean much as to what he’ll be in the long run…..if you want to make a final opinion on him then fine….but I don’t think that’s very wise at this point.

  248. Ys Guy August 5th, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    its a wash

    but ill give him this…i thought montero did a great job of diving under that passed ball today.

  249. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    and I’m not trying to persuade anybody….I’m tired of talking about it to be honest.

  250. Against All Odds August 5th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    its a wash

    —————–

    I’m sure Cashman feels the same way.

  251. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    Mick,

    There’s nothing Blake nor any of them can point to. We’re supposed to wait and see. Watch and wait. Watch and see.

    Except not when it comes to Pineda. He’s dead so obviously are minds are supposed to be made up about him by now.

  252. Bo knows August 5th, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    This might be the wrong the to say but shouldn’t the Yankees have developed a Trout or a player close to him by this point?

    ———
    At nineteen Trout had some ungodly numbers in AA. Grew up in NJ where there wasn’t much baseball. Calling any development on Trout is kind of out there.

    Big man, that’s 3.5 seconds to 1B. He’s pulled improbable leaps to rob people of HRS. Probably the best all round player since Mantle.

  253. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    “but ill give him this…i thought montero did a great job of diving under that passed ball today.”

    and driving in Seattle’s only two runs

  254. mick August 5th, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    “What I want to know is, what has he done in 2012 to keep this hype machine chugging along?”

    he’s played….
    ==========================
    that’s it for me…that’s all you’ve got left , LOL,…he played.
    this is like taking candy from a baby…blake , i think whatshisface lowered your IQ the other night (no offense) ;)

  255. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    Blake,

    You’d be hard pressed to find a Montero doubter who didn’t think he would play in 2012. That’s nothing to get excited about.

    Don’t you feel the least bit relieved that he didn’t rake and make the AS team and win the primary catching job and put up Miguel Cabrera numbers?

  256. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    Bret,

    they are both wait and see….you’re trying to put final grades on things that are incomplete…..I’m not. So far the trade is bad….that could change and I hope it does….that’s all I can tell ya.

  257. Against All Odds August 5th, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    Bo knows August 5th, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    This might be the wrong the to say but shouldn’t the Yankees have developed a Trout or a player close to him by this point?

    ———
    At nineteen Trout had some ungodly numbers in AA. Grew up in NJ where there wasn’t much baseball. Calling any development on Trout is kind of out there.

    Big man, that’s 3.5 seconds to 1B. He’s pulled improbable leaps to rob people of HRS. Probably the best all round player since Mantle.

    ————————

    True but Cash has been touting the farm for so long. Getting a Trout isn’t easy but where is their young stud prospect.

  258. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    Bret,

    they are both wait and see…

    *****

    Ok let’s work from there then.

  259. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    “Don’t you feel the least bit relieved that he didn’t rake and make the AS team and win the primary catching job and put up Miguel Cabrera numbers?”

    sure….probably not as relieved as Cashman…..but again I don’t think this year means that much

  260. blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    mick,
    you don’t listen very well

  261. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    blake August 5th, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    So far the trade is bad

    ******

    No it is neither bad nor good so far. So far we will wait and see on both, right?

  262. blake August 5th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    night all. Tomorrow we still won’t know what Jesus Montero really is….and we still won’t know if Pineda’s shoulder will ever be right again……..but we will know that Lohud will attempt to unlock the mysteries.

  263. blake August 5th, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    “No it is neither bad nor good so far. So far we will wait and see on both, right?”

    no it’s bad because Pineda’s injury is career threatening…..but yes it’s wait and see on both. Have to give advantage Montero though cause he’s at least healthy and getting experience.

    night for real now….

  264. Bo knows August 5th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    Well, start off that the suits, put Oppenheimer on a budget when everyone else was busting out. Kind of puts a crimp in drafting talent. Same thing in Latin America.

    The amazing thing is that the Yankees have a talent pool as good as it is.

    The whole Yankee empire is driven by results in Yankee stadium and some beancounter convinced the others that they need to save money in the draft. Shades of Big George.

    The richest team in baseball puts a clamp on the talent stream. So, they beat the bushes and drafted under the radar kids that others passed over because they couldn’t go the big talent over slot kids. Imagine the talent pool if Oppenheimer had been given free rein.

    Ya can’t fix stupid.

    But hey, Cashman can’t develop talent.

  265. luis August 5th, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    Good evening,

    Mick,

    Don’t blame Randy for something he didn’t start…TD212 or something along those lines made a comment and I answered and the discussion went from there…If you are goi g to blame anyone, blame me and TD.

    TD322,

    Please excuse me if I ofended you in any way…I just didn’t agree with your take, I may have had to use a different approach to say basically the same thing without getting personal, even though it wasn’t the intention to get personal. I hope that we can engage in healthy debate in the future

  266. Against All Odds August 5th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    But hey, Cashman can’t develop talent.

    ———————-

    Well he’s the one that gets bent out of shape when ppl say he hasn’t developed talent.

    How long ago was it that they put the cuffs on Oppenheimer? It’s not as if they have limited spending since 05.

  267. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    Have to give advantage Montero though cause he’s at least healthy and getting experience.

    *******

    And since Pineda pitched all of 2011, they will both have equal experience. Perfect.

  268. tucker August 5th, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    At the six month post on this journey, I can’t see how anyone can conclude the Mariners got the better end of the deal — so far. Montero is playing. Pineda is rehabbing. Campos is also shut down.

    My bigger problem with the trade was it was a misread of the market. Young elite position players are more valuable now than young elite pitchers. Pitchers are less predictable and have more risk.

    The yanks hand was pushed by budget constraints and the whale of a contract in ARod. He is their future RH DH.

  269. theREALkevin August 5th, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    Anyone wanna bet against Montero making the all star team by the age of say 27? I know, long ways away, but hey I still plan on being around by then. When I’m around again this week some time respond and we’ll book it somehow.

  270. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    Young elite position players are more valuable now than young elite pitchers.

    ***********

    That assumes Montero is a position player.

  271. luis August 5th, 2012 at 11:28 pm

    Odds,

    Bo Knows theory is that the FO was forced to lower their targets in the draft, because someone in the ownership thought it a bad idea to expend there…Although, I have to say that his take has a lot of validity and in many ways makes a lot of sense on how they drafted the last couple of years…Having said that, I do think that regardless of the limitations on talent he has had to endure in the past three years, I think Cashman’s trade of Montero was ill adviced. Because he enhanced an already strong part of the organization to the detriment of a weak part…Bo knows has stated many times that our offense is lacking in situational hitting and that it is aging and declining…I think he would agree that if they didn’t see a future for Montero, they should have tried to go after a bat and not more pitching.

  272. luis August 5th, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    Bret,

    i am sorry, but he does plays a position

  273. Against All Odds August 5th, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    I think he would agree that if they didn’t see a future for Montero, they should have tried to go after a bat and not more pitching.

    ——————————-

    That’s the thing I thought we were approaching the point where they didn’t have to go with our hat in our hand looking for a trade. The entire team won’t be farm hands but for yrs it’s been a waiting game.

  274. CompassRosy August 5th, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    Montero was great tonight!

    .
    .
    .
    .
    .

    Fredy Montero, that is ;-)

    He scored one of the goals in the 4-0 stomping of the LA Galaxy

    60k+ at Century Link tonight …
    http://tinyurl.com/8fb6w27

  275. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    Luis,

    Travis Hafner can play a position too. But he’s a DH.

  276. luis August 5th, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    Odds,

    They just made a huge mistake evaluating Montero, and traded him for the maximum package they could get for him…Huge mistake, they didn’t traded for need but for the best they could get for him…This is my beef with this move, they didn’t addressed the needs of the team, they just got the best they could get for him, because they didn’t believe in him.

  277. Yank1 August 5th, 2012 at 11:41 pm

    Buster_ESPN
    Roy Oswalt declined to extend his relief outing today. http://t.co/Y2k8NQqA He doesn’t want to pitch out of the ‘pen

  278. luis August 5th, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    Bret,

    Most people recognize that he will be able to catch at the MLB level…He won’t be Johnny Bench or Thurman Munson, but he will be somewhere between Piazza and Posada…If he hits like he is supposed to hit, that’s a darn good player to have.

  279. Against All Odds August 5th, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    This is my beef with this move, they didn’t addressed the needs of the team, they just got the best they could get for him, because they didn’t believe in him.

    ————————–

    True they didn’t believe in him. Despite everything they said they never believed in the kid. I guess what bothers me most about the trade is how bad he wanted to be a Yankee. He lived and breathed the whole thought of being in pinstripes. Compare that to King Felix who hates the team and never has any desire to pitch for the club but yet they were chasing him for yrs and still did before the Pineda trade.

  280. Shame Spencer August 5th, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    It bears repeating: Everyone that thinks Montero will develop into a good major leaguer is also hoping Pineda follows in the same footsteps.

  281. G-C August 5th, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    A wash? Are you kidding me?

    Trading a blue chip prospect, irrespective of what he becomes after the fact, for a guy that subsequently tears his rotator cuff is an unmitigated disaster no matter how you look at it.

    The track record for guys coming back from this injury isn’t good. There’s no way to predict whether Montero will be a future All-Star or not, but I’d certainly bet a great deal more on him fulfilling his own lofty potential than Pineda fulfilling his. Its ridiculous to insinuate that Pineda’s going to come back next year and pick up right where he left off in 2011.

    I’d bet against him even factoring into the team’s plans next year. You think they’re gonna keep a rotation spot warm for a guy who had a whole lot to work on BEFORE this injury and pencil him in while he’s recovering from massive surgery?

  282. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    If he’s a starting catcher it won’t be for the Mariners IMHO.

  283. Nick in SF August 5th, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    Now the Yankees NEVER believed in the poor kid? Never ever? Then he’s better off far away from such meanies.

  284. luis August 5th, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    Odds,

    Unfortunately you are spot on on this….

  285. luis August 5th, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    Shame Spencer August 5th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
    It bears repeating: Everyone that thinks Montero will develop into a good major leaguer is also hoping Pineda follows in the same footsteps.

    ========================================

    Shame,

    this is spot on.

  286. Against All Odds August 5th, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    Nick in SF August 5th, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    Now the Yankees NEVER believed in the poor kid? Never ever?

    ————————–

    Maybe at first but at some point they came to the conclusion that he was a trade piece. They came to the same conclusion when it came to Joba starting and Cashman can get set in his ways when it comes to certain things.

  287. Bo knows August 5th, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    Okay, one comment on Montero. I don’t see him as becoming a competent catcher. He doesn’t have the quickness. People quote this and that but a catcher is all about agility. He’s improved because he dropped a lot of weight. For example, today he failed to block a ball in the dirt and get up on the passed ball. Then there is the lack of lateral movement. He doesn’t move well laterally. That’s it. All else can be learned and developed. The hitting, time will tell.

    I’m guessing but I think the plan was to establish Pineda as the 1A and then trade Nova or Hughes for a Major League ready stud OF. In other words – CC, Pineda and one of Nova/Hughes, then mix and match. The injury killed that.

    I start with the premise that Cash and Co are bright. By definition they would hire bright people who would make good decisions. For example – Towers is one of the brighter GMs around. He hired on with the Yankees to learn the their way of doing business.

  288. Shame Spencer August 5th, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    Maybe I should have used the word ‘path’ instead of footsteps since I think most of the fair minded in here also acknowledge Montero hasn’t proven anything yet.

  289. G. Love August 5th, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    While looking at Swisher’s stats during the game I realized that if he doesn’t pick thing up soon in the HR department, I don’t think he’s going to get the contract a lot of us are predicting for him.

    I’m starting to wonder if he’s a 4 year 48 million player tops on the open market.

    That said, if he goes off with HR’s and gets over 25 he’ll get big money. But sitting at 14 right now with 2 months to play isn’t helping his long term value in my eyes. You want more power than that at 1b and you’re not going to pay 15 million a year to a guy who hits under 25HR’s and hits .250-.260 on the wrong side of 30.

  290. Against All Odds August 5th, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    I’m guessing but I think the plan was to establish Pineda as the 1A and then trade Nova or Hughes for a Major League ready stud OF. In other words – CC, Pineda and one of Nova/Hughes, then mix and match. The injury killed that.

    ——————————–

    I agree with that. I think Hughes would have been the odd man out if Pineda did not get injured.

  291. luis August 5th, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    Nick in SF August 5th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
    Now the Yankees NEVER believed in the poor kid? Never ever? Then he’s better off far away from such meanies.

    ==============================

    If I am not mistaken…You suggested something along this lines in a conversation we had a few weeks ago…When we were discussing Cashman…I said at that time that you made a very compelling case…

  292. Nick in SF August 5th, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    I don’t remember what I said a few weeks ago, but I agree that it must have been a very compelling case.

  293. luis August 5th, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    Shame,

    Whatever words you use, the sentiment is that we hope that Pineda becomes the ace he is supposed to become.

  294. Against All Odds August 5th, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    Good night guys

  295. G. Love August 5th, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    The Montero debate is getting old and I’m on the pro-Montero side by a large margin.

    That said, all this conjecture that he couldn’t find at bats here is silly. He could have been our backup C and gotten a ton of DH at bats and left enough for other guys to get their DH at bats as well. To claim otherwise means you’re not looking at the season where we’ve lost Arod and others which have opened up spots in the lineup.

    The whole presumption of us not needing Montero is built on old players staying healthy for an entire season. That doesn’t happen often and it takes an exceptional athlete and a little bit of luck for older guy to get through the whole season intact.

    You could have easily let Montero play Stewart’s role and this team would still be winning and the lineup would be more threatening. I also don’t believe he’d be hitting what he’s hitting as a Mariner here in NY. The power and average would both go up. The walks would come later in his career.

    And claiming you have inside knowledge that Pineda is going to be amazing next year is so foolish I don’t know what to say. Yeah, he could come back healthy next year and only be able to throw 89mph. You have no way of knowing if his shoulder will allow him to throw with the velocity that his entire career was being built upon. This is not Mike Mussina learning to pitch with lesser stuff here. This is a hard thrower who just had his shoulder sewn back together. Any confidence in him being anything is foolhardy at this point.

  296. luis August 5th, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    Good night Odds…I am turning in too…Good night fellas

  297. luis August 6th, 2012 at 12:00 am

    G Love,

    Both posts are very good and on point…have a good one

  298. CompassRosy August 6th, 2012 at 12:02 am

    “If he’s a starting catcher it won’t be for the Mariners IMHO.”

    ~

    Quite possible.

    M’s first round pick, catcher Mike Zunino, is starting out his pro career like a house on fire…

    .329 / .423 / .671 / 1.093
    with 7 homers, 7 doubles and 10 walks in 22 games

    I gotta get to Everett to see him play before they ship him to HD or Jackson!

  299. Shame Spencer August 6th, 2012 at 12:03 am

    The other thing that stands out is that Montero could have been a great trade chip to other clubs for OFers which is a real area of need.. again it all comes back to philosophy which a lot of us differ on. Makes the world go round, and what not. I understand both the pro-pitching is key group as well as the if-pitching-is-key-we-need-to-mash-group lol.

  300. Shame Spencer August 6th, 2012 at 12:04 am

    Night luis!

  301. Bo knows August 6th, 2012 at 12:06 am

    That said, if he goes off with HR’s and gets over 25 he’ll get big money. But sitting at 14 right now with 2 months to play isn’t helping his long term value in my eyes. You want more power than that at 1b and you’re not going to pay 15 million a year to a guy who hits under 25HR’s and hits .250-.260 on the wrong side of 30.
    ——-
    I think Swisher’s training regimen tightened him up as witness the muscle pulls. He physically can’t turn on pitches, as he could before. Baseball is all about fast twitch and loose muscles and the training they do is contra indicated.

  302. Shame Spencer August 6th, 2012 at 12:10 am

    If we could get Swish on a 2 year deal with a decent AAV that’d be ideal.. anything further would be pushing it.

  303. G. Love August 6th, 2012 at 12:10 am

    Bo knows,

    I don’t forsee him hitting 11 HR’s the rest of the way, but maybe he’ll surprise us. It’s great for us if that happens. It basically means he’ll be carrying us to the post season.

    However, I do think if he stops hitting HR’s that will make him try harder to hit them and we all know what happens then. He needs to get his HR’s in the 25+ area to get the bigger money.

    If Swisher doesn’t pick it up with the HR I do think there’s a chance he takes the 1 year Yankees qualifying offer for 13 million or so after the season. I think to get 15 million a season you have to hit over 25 dingers or hit over .300 with decent power.

  304. Bo knows August 6th, 2012 at 12:13 am

    If Swisher doesn’t pick it up with the HR I do think there’s a chance he takes the 1 year Yankees qualifying offer for 13 million or so after the season. I think to get 15 million a season you have to hit over 25 dingers or hit over .300 with decent power.

    —————-
    Yep, agreed. I’m not a big Swisher fan but to his credit he has developed his OF skills. He has the talent to be upper echelon but he keeps forcing things and spins out. As Luis puts it – hero swings.

  305. Bo knows August 6th, 2012 at 12:16 am

    Swisher on a 13 mil one year contract would be ideal for the Yankees. One year closer to evaluating what they have in A ball and what if any value in Pineda.

  306. Nick in SF August 6th, 2012 at 12:22 am

    “The other thing that stands out is that Montero could have been a great trade chip to other clubs for OFers which is a real area of need.. again it all comes back to philosophy which a lot of us differ on. ”

    Very much conjecture. He could have. But it seems like he was most valuable to Seattle. He would probably be less valuable to the 16 National League teams, unless any of them would be very confident that he’ll improve and then stick as a catcher or move to 1B.

    I don’t buy the “it was destiny that Montero had to be traded” school of thought, but I also don’t buy that we could have gotten a stud outfielder for him either. Maybe. Maybe not.

  307. Nick in SF August 6th, 2012 at 12:27 am

    Another way to look at it would be, what other team would be desperate for the potential in his bat and maybe not care as much if he needed to DH more than catch?

    I’m sure a lot of teams could find ways to use him — including the Yankees — but not as sure that any of them would value him as highly as the Mariners did.

  308. Shame Spencer August 6th, 2012 at 12:30 am

    Nick – I can’t argue with that, it’s a lot of speculation and conjecture on both sides, but it hasn’t been unheard of for NL teams to carry catchers with a bat.. I can only honestly think of Piazza at the moment but I’d have to think there are at least a couple more. I’m not saying its a slam dunk but he could be a piece.

  309. Nick in SF August 6th, 2012 at 12:32 am

    Catchers with a bat are great. Right now Montero is a hitter who sometimes catches.

  310. Tyler August 6th, 2012 at 12:33 am

    The Montero trade should simply be revisited in 5 years. If we were going to evaluate it solely this year, you would have to give it the Mariners but it hasn’t been as catastrophic for the Yanks as it looked when Pineda first went down. Honestly, Montero probably would have been sent down to AAA with the way he was struggling for a while… the Yanks can’t afford to be as patient with him as Seattle.

    I always liked Noesi but he’s been beyond awful this year… I don’t know if he will be a quality ML starter at this point. Campos has a ton of potential and looked good…. I just wish he stayed healthy… He looks like a potential fast riser. The tradeoff of those 2 shouldn’t be ignored… That could be a steal for the Yanks.

  311. Tyler August 6th, 2012 at 12:35 am

    Even with a bit of a down year power wise, I think some time is going to offer Swish a pretty big multi-year deal… At that point it’s going to come down to how much he really wants to stay a Yankee. He loves it but this is his chance at potentially a last big secure payday.

  312. Nick in SF August 6th, 2012 at 12:40 am

    To be clear, I’m not saying Montero is this or isn’t this and can’t be this or won’t be that. I don’t know. But his trade value is based on perception and evaluations. If there was doubt about the likelihood of his sticking at catcher — and there was — then that was a factor in what teams would be willing to give up for him.

  313. Nick in SF August 6th, 2012 at 12:41 am

    Swisher should take a short, small deal to stay with the Yanks. Then he can still have a big deal to look forward to.

  314. Tyler August 6th, 2012 at 12:46 am

    If Swish hits .100 again in the postseason I won’t care how small/short of a deal that he will accept.

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  317. igotid88 August 6th, 2012 at 2:17 am

    Montero is hitting just fine. Not every younger batter hits 40hr 130rbi their first season. And Seattle is using 3 catchers. And it would also be hypocritical of us who wanted Jesus here to all of a sudden say he sucks. Because he’s not with us anymore. People here still drool over Melky and Ajax.

  318. jmills August 6th, 2012 at 2:22 am

    Igotid88 – catchers catch :)

  319. igotid88 August 6th, 2012 at 2:30 am

    jmills August 6th, 2012 at 2:22 am
    Igotid88 – catchers catch
    ————

    he caught yesterday

  320. jmills August 6th, 2012 at 2:36 am

    Igotid88 – let him / her do the same tomorrow – what do we pay them for ? :)

  321. blake August 6th, 2012 at 7:33 am

    Id love to get Swish back on a one year deal but just cant see that happening .

    Either way I think one of Cash’s checklist items this winter needs to be finding a younger outfielder that can either step into the middle of the lineup or that profiles to be that type if guy in the future. Melky, J. Upton…..etc are options.

    Beyond that they need to sign Cano…..figure out what to do with Granderson….figure out what to do with Hughes…..try and get Kuroda to do another one year deal (same with Andy if he wants)……and avoid giving Martin a multi year deal.

    But thats this winter…..I want 3 of 4 this week and the ball back rolling in the right direction….

    *Bonus thought : i know the Pirates gave us Mcgehee for nothing…..but do they owe us more for giving them and paying for their best pitcher? I mean AJ might get some CY young votes this year.

  322. Yankee Trader August 6th, 2012 at 7:52 am

    *Bonus thought : i know the Pirates gave us Mcgehee for nothing…..but do they owe us more for giving them and paying for their best pitcher? I mean AJ might get some CY young votes this year.
    ——————————————–
    Blake-Good morning

    I’m reserving comment until I see how well AJ pitches vs. the Yankees in the WS this year! :)

  323. blake August 6th, 2012 at 7:53 am

    “I’m reserving comment until I see how well AJ pitches vs. the Yankees in the WS this year!”

    Lol….thatd be something huh. Im happy for AJ to be honest……..everyone benefitted from that deal…..

  324. Yankee Trader August 6th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    Swisher-

    Don’t see the Yankees making him a qualifying offer at $13M, unless there’s a gentleman’s agreement that he won’t accept, for a compensatory draft pick.

    Wouldn’t that offer have to be made within 5 days after the WS, when a team has exclusive rights to negotiation for their own free agents? If so, then the Yankees will have more pressing budgetary concerns while formulating a proactive plan to meet the new guidelines of the CBA.

  325. Yankee Trader August 6th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    Blake-

    How did the Yankees benefit from dealing AJ to the Pirates? They still owe him most of his salary and MLB 42%[or is it still 40%] on each and every dollar above 178M this year and next.

    Where are those players the Yankees received in return? I’m just kidding with these comments. It did decrease the tension amongst LoHudders on the nights he was pitching for the Yankees. :)

  326. blake August 6th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    “Don’t see the Yankees making him a qualifying offer at $13M, unless there’s a gentleman’s agreement that he won’t accept, for a compensatory draft pick.”

    Nah I think they absolutely will….you wont the pick if he declines and if he accepted thatd be good too IMO. Another year of Swish would be nice……I just dont really want a long term commitment ……itd give them another year to evaluate the Austins and Masons…..and another year to find a long term replacement.

  327. blake August 6th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    “How did the Yankees benefit from dealing AJ to the Pirates? ”

    Got him out of their rotation and saved some money……i know AJ has been good this year….but there is no reason to believe he would have been any differenr than he had been had he stayed with the Yanks…..he needed a freah start and they havent missed him in thr rotation really at all.

  328. blake August 6th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Problem is that Nova has done his best AJ impersonation in several starts this year……he needs to stop that and get back on track tonight.

  329. Yankee Trader August 6th, 2012 at 8:16 am

    Baby Bomber Recap 8/5/12: Trenton Wins, Everyone Else Doesn’t:

    http://www.pinstripealley.com/.....lse-doesnt

    Are there any position players in the minors that can contribute this year, should there be an injury on the big league team?

    Who might get a shot to be the RF’er from within the Yankees organization next year?

  330. blake August 6th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    “Who might get a shot to be the RF’er from within the Yankees organization next year?”

    I dont think so…..

  331. Giuseppe Franco August 6th, 2012 at 8:36 am

    The Yanks benefited in the Burnett deal because it was simply a case of addition by subtraction.

    He was not only the Yanks’ worst starting pitcher but also one of the worst starters in the game.

    Burnett no doubt suffered through a long mental strain the last two seasons most likely due to the fact that he put extra pressure on himself to succeed on this stage. That, however, should not be interpreted as labeling him ‘gutless’ as some idiot fans tend to do.

    They needed to move him. It wasn’t working out for either side.

    Overall, despite his less than stellar reputation prior to donning the pinstripes, he appeared to be a good teammate and did overcome the long history of health issues that had plagued his career in TOR and FLA.

  332. blake August 6th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    I think the Yanks tinkered with AJ so much that neither side knew what to do anymore…..too much baggage was there……the fresh start and fresh set of eyes clearly has helped him.

  333. Hassey August 6th, 2012 at 8:52 am

    HRs are unlikely to be the decisive factor in Detroit, but will come into play big time in Toronto. Is it too early to assume Tex’s wrist problems have sapped his power for the rest of 2012?

  334. Benny Blanco August 6th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    I’m not shocked that AJ has 14 wins right now.

  335. Benny Blanco August 6th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    I’m curious to know how many wild pitches AJ has so far this season? When he was with the yankees he led them in wild pitches and walks.. Now he has roy halladay command? SMH

  336. Yankee Trader August 6th, 2012 at 9:01 am

    Which team would you rather see the Yankees play in the ALDS, if players are healthy for both teams, knowing that your first two games are on the road. If it’s a wild card team, take into account you might not be facing their #1 pitcher.

    From MLB:

    The regular season is scheduled to end on Wednesday, Oct. 3, leaving two days for travel, weather problems, possible season-ending tiebreakers to decide division titles and Wild Card berths and the Wild Card elimination games prior to the start of the Division Series.

    The three division winners in each league will await the survivor of a one-game playoff between the Wild Card teams in each league. Both games are slated for Friday, Oct. 5, two days after the end of the regular season. Barring weather disruptions, the Division Series field of four teams in each league will begin the following Saturday and Sunday.

    Reverting to the old 2-3 format that was used from 1995-97 will allow the one-game Wild Card playoff winners to remain home and host the first two games of their Division Series, which will begin on Sunday, Oct. 7. The other two Division Series that pits division winners will begin on Saturday, Oct. 6

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