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Postgame notes: “There should be a high level of concern”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 08, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Two months ago, Curtis Granderson might have lined a two-run single. Or Russell Martin’s double might have bounced around long enough for Ichiro Suzuki to score. Two months ago, the Yankees were just beginning a 10-game winning streak that would spark their best baseball of the season. But this is not two months ago, and the Yankees are hardly playing their best baseball.

“There should be a high level of concern,” Eric Chavez said. “Anybody who says that there isn’t is lying. You’ve just got to win ballgames, and we’re not finding a way to do that, and it should be a concern. It’s that time of the year when, yeah, it’s a concern. We need to start playing good and winning games.”

The Yankees had a chance to win tonight. Two-out, ninth-inning RBIs by Ichiro and Martin pulled the Yankees within a run and put the go-ahead run into scoring position, but Granderson popped out to end it. The Yankees have lost 12 of their past 18. Since the All-Star break, they’ve had more four-game losing streaks than three-game winning streaks. Granderson has just one hit in his past 18 at-bats.

“I think the injury bug is starting to catch up to us where I think we got away with it early,” Chavez said. “This all seems to be when we lost Alex. He’s just a huge part of our lineup, and I think we’re really showing how important he is to this team.”

Alex Rodriguez broke his hand on July 24, and the Yankees are 5-8 since then. Their recent slide really dates back to those four straight one-run losses in Oakland just a few days before the Rodriguez injury.

“We’re not playing very good,” Martin said. “We’re going to have to pick it up. We have some tough teams coming up. We have to finish this here, so hopefully we can win the next two and split (the series), then just keep on going with our road trip.”

• The Yankees struggles finally reached Phil Hughes, who’s been very good since the end of April. In the same ballpark where he threw a complete game earlier this season, Hughes was touched up for four runs through 4.1 innings. He breezed through the first three innings, but a 40-plus-pitch fourth inning ended with two Tigers runs, then Miguel Cabrera doubled in two more in the fifth. “I really felt comfortable in the first three innings,” Hughes said. “And then something just kinda left, and I couldn’t locate my fastball as well as I wanted to, and I got away from my changeup a little bit.”

• Hughes reached 102 pitches before Girardi pulled him with one out in the fifth, but Hughes said he didn’t feel fatigued and his fastball velocity seemed fine. He just wasn’t able to put hitters away tonight. “I think it falls back to not having my breaking ball,” Hughes said. “I threw some decent ones, but for the most part they were kind of erratic, so it’s just one of those things.”

• It also falls back to Cabrera being extremely good. “He’s super-tough,” Martin said. “You look at his numbers on fastballs, curveballs, sliders and changeups, he’s hitting over .300 on all of them. When he’s hitting, it’s like pick your poison. He’s just a really smart hitter and he’s tough to pitch to. When he gets a pitch to hit, he doesn’t miss it.”

• Granderson said moving to the top of the order has nothing to do with his recent slump. “I’m just not putting the ball in play the way I want to,” he said. “… If you’re not hitting, you’re not hitting. It doesn’t matter where you happen to be batting.”

• Chavez is doing the opposite of Granderson. He had two more hits tonight — including a home run — after his three-game game yesterday.

• Nick Swisher fouled a ball off his right foot. That’s why Girardi came out to check on him. Swisher said he’s fine. He stayed in the game and finished with three hits, including a double in the at-bat when he was hurt.

• Ultimately, Cody Eppley getting hit in the head was pretty funny, and he was laughing about it in the clubhouse. The home-plate umpire had already thrown him a new ball, so he didn’t expected Chavez to throw him one as well. Chavez expected Eppley to look for the ball, but Eppley had his head down as Chavez tossed the ball back to the mound. “Next thing I know,” Eppley said. “Chavy’s saying my name right as it’s hitting me on the head.”

• Girardi on the Yankees struggles: “It’s been a struggle for us and there’s no doubt about it. But the first month, we struggled and we came out of it. We’ll come out of it. I mean, we will. Every club goes through it. And when we went through it the first time, I said it may not be the last time, either. You just go through them.”

• Final word goes to Chavez: “Just keep fighting. There’s nothing to do, really. It is a bad stretch, and we’re not playing good, but I’m a big believer in when things are going good, bad’s around the corner, and when bad’s here, good’s around the corner. That’s what keeps me going.”

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82 Responses to “Postgame notes: “There should be a high level of concern””

  1. Nick in SF August 8th, 2012 at 12:12 am

    Close but no cigar
    the summer swoon continues
    bottom line: this blows

  2. Captain Clutch August 8th, 2012 at 12:12 am

    I didn’t like seeing Jeter joking around with Verlander in the dug out when the team was losing. I believe it was in the top of the 6th inning right after Hughes gave up those 2 runs and the Yanks were losing. If Jeter wants to be nice to everyone fine but do that before and after the game. He is way too friendly with everyone during the game like he is the team’s mascot.

  3. Benny Blanco August 8th, 2012 at 12:14 am

    Let’s just bat chavez lead off. I Kid, I kid.

  4. Yank1 August 8th, 2012 at 12:15 am

    Eh, don’t like Chavez talking like that. Yanks are still in 1st place, just going through a little rough stretch like they inevitably would.

    From now on, only Jeter should be allowed to speak to the media

  5. G. Love August 8th, 2012 at 12:16 am

    I think Chavez’s remarks might embarrass some of them into taking tomorrow a little more seriously.

    Considering he’s a respected vet who is chasing a ring and basically playing for peanuts while battling chronic injuries, it would be nice to see the rest of the team show that some respect.

  6. Phranchise August 8th, 2012 at 12:17 am

    Chavez has every right to say that. Jorge would have. Jeter never does. He is leading by example and Cano is doing a nice job following his lead laughing with his out in the 8th. This isn’t a short slump. This is losing 12 of 18.

  7. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 8th, 2012 at 12:18 am

    “bottom line: this blows”

    Yeah not a lot of fun to be had right now.

  8. Captain Clutch August 8th, 2012 at 12:19 am

    I really think it’s time to move on from Granderson. If a team will give up something useful for him trade him after this year or let him leave as a free agent. I can’t see the team signing him to a big extension. The homeruns are nice but he doesn’t make enough contact and it will get worse as he gets older. Certain players are a no brainer for an extension and a player you must bring back but Granderson isn’t one of those players. I hope the Yanks make the right decision with him.

  9. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 8th, 2012 at 12:20 am

    I love what Chavez said.

  10. Chase August 8th, 2012 at 12:20 am

    Chavez needed to say this after seeing Jeter and Cano laugh it up with Tigers after every out they made tonight.

  11. Phranchise August 8th, 2012 at 12:21 am

    Yankees have limited options with Granderson. Same with Martin. Without position players and talent in the upper levels there is no one to turn to. And the trade chips they did have are either hurt, dimished or needed to fill the MLB roster. Swish will walk. But not the rest.

  12. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 8th, 2012 at 12:22 am

    Onward and upward. Hopefully tomorrow is the start of things jelling once again.

    Night all.

  13. luis August 8th, 2012 at 12:23 am

    luis August 8th, 2012 at 12:20 am
    Trisha,

    First, we have 2 wins when we don’t hit a homer, so that tells you how much we rely on homers. Then we 0 for 34 when trailing after the 8th, If I am not mistaken, i am citing the stat out of memory alone. This tells you that we are not being very good at manufacturing runs either. So we are a heavily reliant homer team. The injury to gardner doesn’t help in that department either, since I don’t think Jeter or Granderson steal that many bases anymore.

    So yeah, is a pretty much one dimensional team.

    About your previous post…There wasn’t much to do except either leaving Montero on the roster since he was the only bat above A ball or trade him when the moment was right for a young OF or 3B. The revolving Dh spot is nonesense, you either play at a ceratin level and if you can’t you should take a lesser role regardless of contract.

    I do think they can do a few things this coming off season to improve in that regard…Trade Granderson for prospects, let Swisher go, sign a younger OF ( Melky?)…We are heading for an inevitable downward period…The younger we get, the shorter it will be

  14. G. Love August 8th, 2012 at 12:26 am

    On the positive side it was nice to see Ibanez help start a 9th inning rally with a walk. Ichiro is getting better hit wise. Martin had a nice hit there too.

    Despite Grandy going up there and windmilling his swing for the last out, Ibanez, Chavez, Ichiro and Martin did some good stuff to get us close.

    Joba giving up the extra run turned out to be critical.

  15. disco stu August 8th, 2012 at 12:28 am

    You figured it would be tough to win 3 out 4 against the Tigers with Verlander going in the first game against Nova who is really struggling. After last night’s game, I would have signed up for 2 out of the next 3 … so … they need to win the back end of this 4 game series and get some momentum going into the weekend series against the Blue Jays.

    Would also help if the Orioles could start losing a few games again … did I miss something? Weren’t we up by 10 games like a week ago????

  16. Captain Clutch August 8th, 2012 at 12:30 am

    Ichiro has to be moved up in the order. Batting him 8th infront of Martin makes absolutely no sense. He obviously isn’t the same Ichiro but he is swinging the bat ok and if he gets on he can steal a base. I know Girardi is scared of having the lefties back to back but the lineup with Ichiro 8th and Granderson 1st is ridiculous.

  17. waldo geraldo faldo August 8th, 2012 at 12:30 am

    Cano does not take the game seriously, as Melky did not take the game seriously when he was a Yankee. Many of the contributors here blamed Melky and Cano’s disposition on their tight friendship. Turns out Melky needed to find a new atmosphere that is not as laid back as in the Yankees clubhouse.

    Two contrasting styles.

    With the Yankees clubhouse, there is unity and a laid back atmosphere. 1st place.

    With the Red Sox clubhouse, there is in-fighting, tension, and a strained atmosphere. Last place.

    The 2 clubhouses are polar opposites. If given the choice between the two, I prefer the Yankees clubhouse. However, I believe the Yankees would benefit from some middle-ground. Eric Chavez’ comments are much needed.

  18. luis August 8th, 2012 at 12:37 am

    Clutch,

    that’s easily remedied…You put Jeter back to leadoff hitter and put grandy on the 2nd hole

  19. jacksquat August 8th, 2012 at 12:39 am

    I love Chavez speaking up.

  20. jacksquat August 8th, 2012 at 12:41 am

    Andy Pettitte era (May 13 – Jun 27): 27-14 (.659)

    Non Andy Pettitte era: 36-31 (.537)

  21. Wang IS Taiwan August 8th, 2012 at 12:43 am

    luis,

    You can preach that the Yanks are a one-dimensional team to some here until the cows come back, but it will eternally fall on deaf ears.

    But you are absolutely correct, sir.

  22. luis August 8th, 2012 at 12:43 am

    Good night everyone..Have a good one all

  23. Wang IS Taiwan August 8th, 2012 at 12:44 am

    LOL. That’s, “until the cows come home”. I’ve been hearing too many mis-quoted idioms over here for too long…

  24. Niki August 8th, 2012 at 12:45 am

    I love Chavez…have right along. Glad he’s on the team..

  25. luis August 8th, 2012 at 12:46 am

    Hey Wang!

    Good to se you around my friend…Really sad that i am about turn my self in, since i have a very early start tomorrow…Thanks for your kind words. ;)

  26. Wang IS Taiwan August 8th, 2012 at 12:47 am

    “It doesn’t matter where you happen to be batting.”

    That’s BS and Granderson knows it but is covering for his idiotic manager. We all know what creatures of habit these players are.

    It’s bad enough that the guys are in a funk, but do we have to have the manager adding to it? He never actually helps this team win, but he sure as heck knows how to handicap what they do have.

  27. Tyler August 8th, 2012 at 12:47 am

    I feel like a broken record but the Yanks lineup scares me heading into the postseason. The Yanks desperately need Pettite to get back and their starters to be dominate… I feel like their best chance in October is to win 2-1 type games.

  28. Wang IS Taiwan August 8th, 2012 at 12:48 am

    ‘Night, luis. Take care.

  29. Wang IS Taiwan August 8th, 2012 at 12:48 am

    Me, too, Niki. Chavez is so solid.

  30. Tyler August 8th, 2012 at 12:48 am

    Chavez is a great player to have off the bench… he’s actually doing a really great job filling in for A-Rod. He had a brief rough spell in the middle of the year but he can still hit. If his body didn’t betray him he’d still be a top 10 3B in the league… I loved him out in Oakland except when he seemed to always kill the Yanks.

  31. Tyler August 8th, 2012 at 12:50 am

    Wang-

    I honestly feel like this team wins in spite of Girardi at times… He’s not bad at managing a bullpen but even that is starting to run dry.

  32. Wang IS Taiwan August 8th, 2012 at 12:54 am

    Tyler — we’re on the same page then.

    Gotta run. Later!

  33. Nick in SF August 8th, 2012 at 1:01 am

    Hey, if anyone is in Yreka, come down to the Black Bear Diner. Shakes are on me.

  34. Duh Innings II August 8th, 2012 at 2:12 am

    Hi I’m Joe Girardi. My leadoff hitter has over 130 strikeouts. LOL.

    Granderson is overrated. A one-year wonder for the Yanks. He’s an older version of 2002-03 Soriano with worse BA and less SB. The Yanks should definitely trade him in the offseason. No way he should receive a new contract at 34 in March 2014.

  35. Duh Innings II August 8th, 2012 at 2:14 am

    age 34

  36. theREALkevin August 8th, 2012 at 2:32 am

    What else can you say? Moving Granderson to leadoff never made sense and it still doesn’t. And to make matters worse it appears Girardi isn’t yet willing to admit it was a mistake. Let’s hope that changes soon.

    In the long run, it probably doesn’t matter much. This team is a notch below the Tigers & Angels, and I’m pretty confident that will show in the playoffs.

    As others have said, Granderson should be shopped, but his value has taken a hit this season. He’s a disaster right now. And…. People will scoff at this, but I’d consider trading Cano also. he’s due for a huge payday soon and the Yanks should pass. There he was again tonight, guffawing in the dugout as the Yanks were losing another game. Dude doesn’t care the way a ball player should. You see it with the laughing, the mental mistakes, etc. And from a strictly value standpoint, he’s a very good player, but not great. He can’t carry a team, he can’t be the best hitter on a World Series team, and that’s the type of contract he’s going get. Trade him. Seriously. Now, flame away everyone.

  37. Pat M. August 8th, 2012 at 2:42 am

    I think moving Cano is something that will be discussed at the end of the season Board Meetings……..Moving him and Curtis could net the Yanks some nice young talent to go with their nice young pitching staff…..

  38. jacksquat August 8th, 2012 at 4:53 am

    Baltimore only 4.5 back, 5 back in loss column. I don’t know how they’re doing it with a -54 run differential. For comparison, KC has a -59 run differential and they have the worst record in the AL at 46-63. 22-6 in one run games might have something to do with it.

  39. RhapsodyInBlue August 8th, 2012 at 6:23 am

    I turned the game off disgusted after the second shot of Cano laughing. Could you imagine if GS was alive and watching? What the hell is so funny?

  40. Villa Nova-Ya August 8th, 2012 at 6:39 am

    It’s hard not to be discouraged after last night’s game.

    I knew they would score one short of a tie in the ninth. This is what they do. On the one hand, I love that they battle back in the late innings. On the other hand it is extremely frustrating that they seem to always fall one run short. (And the few times they’ve tied or taken the lead in the 9th, that’s the day their closer decides to have an off night. :( )

    It doesn’t rankle me so much if guys are smiling – this is what they have to do day in/day out. The season is a long grind and everyone deals with things differently.

    What does rankle me is everyday feels like groundhog day lately as far as the at-bats go.

    What Chavez said about when things are good, bad is just around the corner, etc.? It so describes most baseball seasons. It’s ups and downs. You hope that there are more ups than downs. Teams that lead end to end without any blips, or at least without any major blips, indeed are experiencing a special season.

    it’s a variation on the “you’re never as good as you seem when you’re winning, and you’re never as bad as you seem when you’re losing,” although in the midst of each, you sure think your team is unbeatable (as the Yankees looked pre-Oakland) or incapable of winning (now).

    It is hard to watch right now. It stinks. It’s not fun. It’s discouraging. And boy does ARod seem to be a missing cog, doesn’t he?

    They just need to take series. I never expected 3 of 4 in Detroit – Detroit was hot coming into the series. But a split I thought would be fine (a 4 game series on the road, I always figure split). Then just continue to take series. They don’t need a winning streak (though that would sure be welcome); just consistent 2 of 3, 3 of 5. That’s all. ;)

  41. austinmac August 8th, 2012 at 6:51 am

    Good teams win one run games. Playoff winning teams must win one run games. Waiting for and relying on a late inning home run is not the way to win those games. Pitchers pitch down and away and off speed. The Yankees are taking home run swings on pitches one needs to hit up the middle.

    The problem is very obvious when they have so few who have the hit tool. Would it be too much to ask for half the starters to hit .260? It is for these guys.

  42. austinmac August 8th, 2012 at 7:01 am

    Their has been much credit for Hughes recent success given to his CU. How does he get away from one of his three pitches? One would think Martin would recall that or the pitching coach would notice. You cannot throw fastball after fastball. They will eventually hit it hard.

  43. blake August 8th, 2012 at 7:08 am

    Trisha,

    Who exactly said the Yankees would be fine with Noesi, and Mitchell, and Warren in the rotation?

  44. blake August 8th, 2012 at 7:13 am

    Thank you Eric Chavez…….this dude has to super glue himself together to even go out there and hes helping to keep them afloat offensively ……hes showing urgency…..the rest of the Yanks should take notice……he came back to win a ring.

    Thank goodness for inter league play and that winning streak……otherwise things might look a little different right now.

  45. blake August 8th, 2012 at 7:18 am

    Pat M,

    I just dont see them being able to get fair value for Cano……youd have to get big league ready talent in return and a lot of it and teams just wont give that to rent Robbie for a year I dont think……

  46. TheStraw August 8th, 2012 at 7:24 am

    Would it kill Joe to try to motivate his players a little bit when they are losing?

  47. blake August 8th, 2012 at 7:30 am

    If Cano goes 0-4 the Yanks are gonna struggle to score…..Porcello walked zero guys last night…..fhey had one walk overall (Ibanez against Valverde).

  48. Keith--PA....no longer FL August 8th, 2012 at 7:33 am

    I am at the point of not caring as much b/c this Yankee team does not have what it takes to beat the Angels, Tigers, or Rangers in the playoffs, its fairly obvious. I actually have confidence in Sabathia, Pettitte (when healthy), and Kuroda and the bullpen in a playoff series…but the offense is absolutely terrible besides, Jeter, Cano, and Chavez….the RISP problems, is not temporary, it’s a function of the all or nothing type of offense we have…not good against good to great pitching, not enough high average hitters, etc….Cashman is able to say we have a championship caliber club b/c of the names we have but I have to disagree with him….we lack clutch, situational type hitters….I actually think that Cashman tinkering with the club after we won the World Series in 2009 has caused these problems….if we had Austin Jackson in CF and batting leadoff, Melky Cabrera in RF, and Gardner in LF, and Swisher as the DH, back-up outfielder, 1B then we could have a line-up of Jackson leading off, then Melky, then Jeter, Cano, Tex…..that would help generate runs with Gardner at #9 if healthy, etc…trading Melky for Vazquez and Jackson for Granderson b/c of his power in Yankee Stadium, short porch, has caused us to be where we are today…..should have left it alone Cashman and relied on our farm system as we did in the early 90’s and not traded Jackson…..looking at Jackson last night reminded me of a young Bernie Williams….322, 11 HR’s, 50 RBI’s…..our problems started with that trade Cashman, and continued with letting Melky go…..bad excuse about Melky needing to go elsewhere, I don’t buy it…..bet a lot of people said Bernie needed to go elsewhere in the early 90’s to succeed when players like Mel Hall made fun of him, etc….but he was a cornerstone of a dynasty….Cashman, it’s time for you to go!!!

  49. blake August 8th, 2012 at 7:36 am

    The Yanks dont have dominant starting pitching but its good enough if the Yanks had a normal Yankee offense……this isnt a normal Yankee offense.

    Boesch battled Hughes in that 3rd inning and made hin throw a ton of pitches …..Hughes gets out of the inning limiting the damage and the offense comes in and goes 1,2,3 and Hughes is right back out there……the Tigers just gassed him..he threw thr majority of his 104 pitches in like 15-20 minutes.

    I liked the way they fought back late….but it was too late.

    Granderson has to be better with Alex out…..

  50. MG August 8th, 2012 at 7:37 am

    the Yankees played great baseball for 50 games and have stunk it up for the last 18, it will turn around.

    I’m surprised that the play Chavez didn’t make in the 5th inning, which turned the inning from 2 out and no one on to 1st and 3rd with no out, wasn’t really mentioned (at least in the post-game threads). It was a tough play but one he usually makes and would have kept Hughes out of trouble in the 5th.

    that’s just baseball, though-when things are going well all the plays get made, when they aren’t the little things kill you.

    Granderson has been really bad at the plate lately but he hit a rocket on the 1st pitch in the 9th inning last night that was foul by a couple of feet, a few weeks ago that would have been fair and put the Yankees in the lead.

  51. TheStraw August 8th, 2012 at 7:38 am

    Granderson has become Adam Dunn. I kind of wish we still had Ajax.

  52. blake August 8th, 2012 at 7:41 am

    ‘I’m surprised that the play Chavez didn’t make in the 5th inning, which turned the inning from 2 out and no one on to 1st and 3rd with no out, wasn’t really mentioned (at least in the post-game threads). It was a tough play but one he usually makes and would have kept Hughes out of trouble in the 5th.”

    Yea….it.ate him up….he normally makes that play abd its probably a double play if so and Hughes escapes……but not to be……I cant get on Chavez the way hes playing……

  53. MTU August 8th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Good morning.

    Just a quick drive by to say hi.

    Anyone else concerned about Nova’s inconsistency, or Hughes 2ndary stuff ?

    Sure miss Pettitte in there helping to stabilize that Ro.

  54. blake August 8th, 2012 at 8:06 am

    Joe has to be careful using Joba because hes not back yet..m.thr stuff is back…..but after TJS its often the command that take awhile to come back fully. He couldnt throw the ball wherr he wanted last night at all and that run ended up being the difference……not saying he shouldnt have used him….then need to keep pitching him so he can work through it…..but they just need to choose their spots wisely until he finds it.

  55. blake August 8th, 2012 at 8:07 am

    An MTU sighting! Hope youre doing better man…..more concerned with Nova than Hughes but if they are fighting for the 4th playoff spot then thats ok……need to get Andy back I agree.

  56. MTU August 8th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    Thanks Blake. I am.

    Kinda disappointed in Nova. Did not expect another prolonged bout of
    poor FB command. I thought he had that licked.

    And Hughes still has a way to go with his 2ndary stuff. He does not have a good 3rd pitch to use against righties.

    When his FB deserts him he’s kinda helpless. That needs to change.

  57. MTU August 8th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    Blake-

    Any word on GB ?

  58. blake August 8th, 2012 at 8:18 am

    MTU,

    I have not seen GB post in some time…..I thought maybe you and he were off gambling in Vegas or something.

    I really just think Hughes got tired last night…..he looked great early and was really locating ….the Tigers really had some good ABs against him…..not trying to make excuses but have to give them some credit…..they are a red hot club right now……really need CC to step up tonight.

  59. MTU August 8th, 2012 at 8:18 am

    Got to walk the Mops.

  60. MTU August 8th, 2012 at 8:20 am

    Blake-

    I hope GB is OK because he hasn’t been spotted in Vegas either.

    Please say hi to the Gang for me and let them know I’m back from the dead.

    See ya’ later. Take care.

  61. blake August 8th, 2012 at 8:23 am

    But yea Hughes needs to keep faith in his CU and breaking ball…..seems like in crisis he just goes back to fastball.fastball fastball…..sometimes in those moments you have to slow things down and give a different look…..he does need that.

    I think hes rounding in to a solid #3 type starter……but what seperates those guys front the frontline guys is an ability to still succeed on bad nights…..and to limit damage and find a way…..hes still trying to find that plan B…..the Tigers got a lot of BABIP love last night too…lot of 18 hoppers through the infield

  62. blake August 8th, 2012 at 8:24 am

    Feel better MTU. I was afraid a bear had gotten you Legends of the Fall style….. ;)

  63. Cashmoney August 8th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    blake, i doubt you get fair values for either granderson or cano if they are to be traded. but then again, the whole idea is if you are forced to commit too many years and dollars on em you wont get fair value yourself! Can the yankee absorb cano’s theoretical bad years, prolly, one would assume jeter, tex and rod contracts will expire by then.

    Yanks needs the find the next crop of players that can sustain the success they have enjoy for the past two decades. it’s abundantly clear this current grp due to age and diminishing skills are on their last hurrah and it doesn’t seem Yanks can buy their way out of thru FA due lack of funds and lack talents available. So the crux come down to do you rebuild on the run or do you dumpster diving your way to patchwork an aging core til it completely breaks down. That is something I am sure it will be discuss by the Yankee brass.

    OT, Martin is overrated as defensive catcher just pudge was. it is little ironic that offense was martin’s real contribution last night, an area that is almost completely dismiss by C and G as of any importance for a catcher. I wonder if Cashman can, would he Jettison Grandy and Jeter for better d, because heh, strong d up the middle wins championship right, who cares about offense?

  64. Villa Nova-Ya August 8th, 2012 at 8:28 am

    I thought they did a really good job in the ninth inning of NOT swinging for the fences. They put together a very “Yankee-like” 2-out rally. And, in fact, Granderson jumped on Valverde’s first pitch to him and scorched a line drive, but just foul. I really think that sometimes it’s a little overstated that all they do is swing for the fences.

    Also, as far as Girardi motivating them, we have no idea what is said within the clubhouse, but even if he’s not doing/saying anything especially “win one for the Gipper-ish,” this is a team packed with veteran players. I’m not sure what you could do or say that would make too much of a difference. These are all professionals. The Yankees are nothing if not professional. And lack of results does not mean lack of effort.

    They are clearly out of sorts, however, and need to win 2 or 3 in a row (even though I subscribe to the “just win series” way under most circumstances).

    I don’t understand how they did not get to Porcello, who’s been having a very blah season for himself.

  65. Cashmoney August 8th, 2012 at 8:32 am

    the idea of you never have enough pitching is sound.. but so is you never have enough hitting.
    you give me 9 cabrera i will go to war with mediocre staff or 5 maddux I will go to war with 9 ramiro pena. but the optimal configuration lies somewhere in the middle.

  66. blake August 8th, 2012 at 8:32 am

    Cano is truly an elite player though and much harder to replace than Granderson. I think they have to try and sign him and then probably see what Granderson would bring in a trade…..try to pry an Anthony Rendon away from a team as Chip suggested yesterday.

    If you deal Cano then youre really hurting your 2013 chances IMO…..and youre kinda commitng to at least a retool if not a rebuild….just cant see them doing that as long as they are making the playoffs.

    I just think its be hard to find a match on Cano…..

  67. NYYanksFan August 8th, 2012 at 8:32 am

    Granderson has to be better with Alex out…..

    How about Teixeira too? He’s a middle of the order hitter, hasn’t hit much better than Granderson and is making twice as much.

  68. blake August 8th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    Another problem with dealing Cano is youll have to find a club that can afford to extend him….and most of those are contenders…..I wouldnt want to trade him to an AL contender for sure…..so youre down to NL ones and teams like the Dodgers, Cubs etc who could afford him dont really have much to offer in return.

  69. austinmac August 8th, 2012 at 8:36 am

    MTU,

    Good to have you back. We are all concerned about GB.

  70. Cashmoney August 8th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    Cano is a elite player and he has carry the team thru stretches before with his hitting. if one is to nitpick, his plate discipline disappear from time to time as a hitter and he doesn’t have pure raw power of a pure home run hitter. he is like vlad with less power.

  71. blake August 8th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    I can only think of a handful of teams that actually have enough to give for a Cano deal…..and some of those are in the AL and are competitors with the Yanks for playoff spots.

    The Rangers and Tigers could make attractive offers…..but I wouldn’t want to trade him there…..

    I just can’t think of anybody that would have the big league ready talent I’d want in return who could afford him and would be somebody I’d be willing to trade him to.

  72. Cashmoney August 8th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    it will be next to impossible to replace cano. that’s why i said a big decision like this has to come with the whole picture in mind. by that i mean, the reconstruction of the entire offense.

  73. blake August 8th, 2012 at 8:44 am

    Granderson is the guy they should shop if they can replace him in the lineup with either Melky or an Upton deal……

    Cashman has some difficult decisions this winter…..decisions that could have lasting effects on the club.

  74. blake August 8th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    “it will be next to impossible to replace cano. that’s why i said a big decision like this has to come with the whole picture in mind. by that i mean, the reconstruction of the entire offense.”

    it’s hard to restructure the entire offense without taking a step back for a year or two…..and it’s hard for me to see the Yankees doing that so long as they are still making the playoffs…..now if a Phillies collapse happened then ok…..but they are still chugging along.

    The trick is fixing things before a Phillies collapse happens…..

  75. Cashmoney August 8th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    it’s hard to restructure the entire offense without taking a step back for a year or two…
    —-
    that’s what i want to do… should yankee choose that route… they will come to the inevitable conclusion that’s what they will have to do. or they can keep him. just a fan who has the luxury to bloviate over his favor team here.

  76. Shame Spencer August 8th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    I heard Kay and John complaining about all the smiling yesterday lol..

    Even though I’m not anti-smiling, I love Chavez’s comments.

  77. Cashmoney August 8th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Cashman will be on the spot as the most important Yankee of all in the next few years.

  78. Shame Spencer August 8th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    Glad to see MTU back in action!

  79. RMS August 8th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Why trade Cano? He is the best hitter on the team and plays a great 2nd base. And doesn’t swing for the fences every time up.

    If the Yankees go into next season as a rebuilding or close to it team, you will see an empty YS. Fans will not pay to see a losing team.

  80. Shame Spencer August 8th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Tonight would be a good night for CC to pull out a vintage performance

    :arrow:

  81. mick August 8th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    time to have some sense and move ichiro to 2nd in the order.
    give jeter is leadoff job back and drop grandy to a sluggers spot #5.
    worth a try?

  82. Wang IS Taiwan August 8th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    MTU — so glad you’re better!!

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