Game 114: Yankees at Blue Jays
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Gameday Thread on Aug 12, 2012 
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YANKEES (67-46)
Derek Jeter SS
Nick Swisher RF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Robinson Cano DH
Andruw Jones LF
Curtis Granderson CF
Casey McGehee 3B
Russell Martin C
Jayson Nix 2B
RHP Phil Hughes (11-9, 4.10)
Hughes vs. Blue Jays
BLUE JAYS (53-60)
Rajai Davis LF
Mike McCoy 2B
Edwin Encarnacion DH
David Cooper 1B
Moises Sierra RF
Jeff Mathis C
Yan Gomes 3B
Anthony Gose CF
Adeiny Hechavarria SS
LHP J.A. Happ (0-1, 6.35 with Toronto)
Happ vs. Yankees
TIME/TV: 1:07 p.m., YES Network
WEATHER: The dome was open for a little while, but it’s pretty overcast outside and this is now an indoors game.
UMPIRES: HP Mike DiMuro, 1B Jim Reynolds, 2B James Hoye, 3B Jim Joyce
FOR THE SWEEP: The Yankees are looking to complete their ninth series sweep of the season, which would tie their total for all of last year. This would be their sixth series sweep on the road, and it would be their second straight sweep of the Blue Jays (also July 16-18 at Yankee Stadium). The Yankees?have not swept the Blue Jays in Toronto in a series of at least three games since the opening series of the 2003 season.
WITH OR WITHOUT YOU: Since Alex Rodriguez was placed on the 15-day disabled list on July 25, Yankees third basemen starting in his place (Chavez, McGehee and Nix) have combined to hit .375 with six home runs. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, that is the highest average in the Majors from the position over the stretch and ties the Padres for the most homers from that position during that time.
FIVE BY FIVE: The Yankees have scored at least five runs in each of their last five games against Toronto, their longest such streak since a five-game stretch in 2009. The Yankees have also won five straight against Toronto, matching their longest single-season winning streak against the Blue Jays in the past 10 years.
UPDATE, 1:22 p.m.: Blue Jays got three straight two-out hits in the first inning to grab a 1-0 lead.
UPDATE, 2:00 p.m.: Double to left drives in another Blue Jays run. It’s now 2-0 in the bottom of the fourth.
UPDATE, 2:10 p.m.: Another two-out hit, this one a two-run double in the fourth to make it 4-0.
UPDATE, 2:13 p.m.: Wow. Hughes is officially getting beat up. And I’m pretty sure that was Phelps who just got up in the Yankees bullpen. Could be wrong, but it looked like him when he stood up. (Or maybe not, Marc Carig is sitting next to me and thinks it’s Igarashi. It’s really hard to tell from up here).
UPDATE, 2:22 p.m.: Yep, it’s Igarashi warming in the pen. Also, McGehee just doubled in a run so the Yankees are on the board, down 7-1.
UPDATE, 2:38 p.m.: No error charged on the ball off Jeter’s glove. Not sure he could have gotten an out anyway.
UPDATE, 2:45 p.m.: Three-run double for Davis, who’s now tied his career-high in RBI. This has gotten ugly already. It’s 10-1 Blue Jays.
UPDATE, 2:54 p.m.: Jeter solo homer. Cano two-run homer. It’s now 10-4 Blue Jays in the sixth.
UPDATE, 3:13 p.m.: The Yankees are making a game of it. RBI doubles by Nix and Jeter, plus an RBI single by Swisher have pulled the Yankees within 10-7 and the top of the seventh isn’t over yet.
Strasburg or Trout? Strasburg 24-7, 7 days a week, and twice on Sundays!
I bet the 1st in ERA, 14th in runs scored, first-place Nats would agree. I’m betting that the 16th in ERA, 5th in runs scored, 3rd-place, 7 games out of first Angels would agree also…
GO PHIL!!!
GO YANKS!!!
GO TRIBE!!!
The leadership from Ichiro is amazing. He probably did not have too many days off when playing for the minor league Mariners. He even decided to sacrifice playing time for the good of the Yankees to make the trade work.
Lol put the Angels in the NL and see what their record would be
Go Yanks, a sweep would be a mental lift for the team heading into a tough homestand. Hughes has to be confident and sharp.
Mr. mick,
Yanks on the computer, Watkins Glen on the big screen (with visits to Kiawa during cautions, of which there will be plenty). Problem solved.
This team has an unbelievably strong bench. I know they are all beat up right now and the rotation could have had better luck, but this season has been a lot of great luck combined with some incredibly gritty performances by some aging players. I can’t wait for the postseason with this team, a team where even the roleplayers can change a series (Jones in Boston, Chavez last week).
Hughes getting hit by AAA Toronto.
Once again having a hard time putting hitters away. He needs a better out pitch.
I’d have a hard time taking anybody over Trout — including a pitcher with one major surgery under his belt. I’m sure the Angels are more than happy with Trout and would not trade him for Strausberg, who is three years closer to free agency.
Young hitters like to hit a fastball, and Hughes throws 80 % fastballs….
He should use his curve and change a little more than normal today imo….
“Strasburg or Trout? Strasburg 24-7, 7 days a week, and twice on Sundays!”
Unfortunately, Strasburg can’t play 7 days a week and definitely can’t play twice on Sundays. Trout can.
Not loving this ump. And why do they keep showing Girardi?
Great stat inre 3b…..
Awesome. 6 up 6 down. 26 pitches in 2 innings. Grind people.
Nova already showed this lineup can’t hit breaking balls. Hughes needs to fall out of love with his fastball.
i’ve noticed when Hughes has a 1 pitch 1 out at bat. The inning doesn’t go well
Man, Granderson just looks really bad.
Where is the strikezone?
sunny615 August 12th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Nova already showed this lineup can’t hit breaking balls. Hughes needs to fall out of love with his fastball.
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He’s been throwing a lot of curves today.
Damn that’s gone in YS
I didn’t mention Trout v. Strasburg – someone else did. Neverthless, I’d take Strasburg any day of the week.
However, some of you always indicated you’d like to have Ortiz on this team – the same Ortiz whose team is 12 games out of first. But boy they’re near the top in offense!
And gee if we put the Angels in the NL to see what their record would be, how much better would the record be of the 2nd-place A’s be!!! (24th in runs scored, 5th in ERA)
It has to be a testosterone issue with you guys because it certainly isn’t based in itellect! Despite what the ERA v. R placements show you, you just know it’s the offense that puts it over the top…
That was quick. Yankees must have to be somewhere.
My “itellect” may be low, my intellect however is much higher.
Hughes needs to use the changeup and curve more often early in the count. He’s too predictable and it’s driving his pitch count way up.
Hughes needs to throw that hammer curve.
charlestonchew August 12th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Hughes needs to use the changeup and curve more often early in the count. He’s too predictable and it’s driving his pitch count way up.
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This ump is not helping
No. Out. Pitch.
More curves or changeups.
charelston,
Predictable is certainly the word.
hughes is so predictable
he’ll get lit up
It’ll suck for Hughes if he goes 0-1 or 0-2 in his 3 starts against the jays. And only give up a total of 5 runs. When the Yankees are averaging a little over 6 runs against them.
Agreed, the ump is not helping, but Hughes is incredibly stubborn and he thinks he needs to play with that “bullpen mentality” of attack. Sometimes you attack with the soft stuff. It’s like he’s in a boxing match throwing right hook after right hook without taking any shots to the body or with his left.
charlestonchew August 12th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Agreed, the ump is not helping, but Hughes is incredibly stubborn and he thinks he needs to play with that “bullpen mentality” of attack. Sometimes you attack with the soft stuff. It’s like he’s in a boxing match throwing right hook after right hook without taking any shots to the body or with his left.
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Is Martin calling for the change? Hughes has been throwing a lot of curves today.
Boy, warning track power is really impressive. The Happ club. Hackers are us.
Jeezus. Where is the offense?!?
Could they stop showing Girardi like Hughes has given up 10 runs.
Try something other than the fastball!
Son of a crapper!!!
F’ing Hughes.
That was a strike
THAT was a beautiful changeup!
And that was a beautiful fastball
Let’s have some fun (and ruffle some feathers lol.)
The Yanks trade Sabathia in the offseason for two MLB-ready top starting pitching prospects, re-sign Pettitte for another year and $2.5M and Rapada for another year and slightly more than what he’s making this season, and get back a re-signed Mo 100% healthy and Soriano who doesn’t opt out. They also re-sign the bench (Stewart, Nix, Chavez, and Jones) and get back a healthy Gardner.
They use the $67.35M cleared trading CC ($23M) and Granderson ($15M) and letting go of Swisher ($10.25M), Kuroda ($10M), Feliciano ($4M), Garcia ($4M), and Ibanez ($1.1M) to sign new everyday players for LF and RF (Gardner takes over CF, A-Rod DH.) They start McGehee at 3B in the hopes he replicates his 2010 (23 HR and 104 RBI) or comes as close to his 2010 as possible (they clear a little more than $67.35M considering Ibanez will have made bonus money on plate appearances.)
The Yankees rotation to start the 2013 season would be Hughes, Pettitte, and four from the two trade acquisitions, Nova, Pineda, and Phelps (figure the rotation would be Hughes/Pettitte/one of the trade acquisitions/Nova/Pineda with Phelps as swingman insurance.)
Do you think the 2013 Yankees win 95-100 games with this rotation, a bullpen of Rivera, Soriano, Robertson, Chamberlain, Logan, Rapada, and either Nova or Phelps, upgrades in LF, RF, DH, and possibly 3B if 2013 McGehee > 2012 A-Rod, and whoever the Yanks net trading Granderson? I think they do. One man does not make the whole team and the Yanks would still have (I think) the best bullpen and bench (Stewart/Nix/Chavez/Jones) in baseball and one of the best offenses in baseball so long as the corner outfielders produce better than 2012 LF-Swisher and 2013 A-Rod > 2012 Ibanez.
If Ichiro is playing left field he probably gets to that ball and the run doesn’t score
Didn’t Singleton call the first game of this series? Is he sick or something?
“My “itellect” may be low, my intellect however is much higher.”
Yeah, don’t you just hate when that happens? The equivalent of correcting someone on their “speling”.
:mrblue:
For some reason they don’t chase Hughes’ pitches. For someone who throws a lot of strikes and doesn’t walk batters. They never seem to chase.
Even worse than that –
LOL @ Cone talking about Rapper’s Delight.
Stupid pitching performance today…
location problems
To me, Nova’s bounceback game was because of Chris Stewart’s game calling along with his nasty curve. Russell Martin seems to let Phil fall into the same crap. Is it time to get Phil’s pitches called from the bench?
the first pitch on the last batter was a strike yet it was called a ball
LOL at phil hughes, the next roger clemens
what a overrated hack
Hughes, Limited toolbox. Kids can hit FBs. Falling apart before our eyes.
charlestonchew August 12th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
To me, Nova’s bounceback game was because of Chris Stewart’s game calling along with his nasty curve. Russell Martin seems to let Phil fall into the same crap. Is it time to get Phil’s pitches called from the bench?
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Especially on wasting pitches outside on 2 strikes
Thanks for coming out focused today Phil.
Time for the bats to save the day and the winning streak ! GO FIGHT WIN !
I remember Haap’s first season when he seemed to have so much promise. I’m wondering if the change of scenery/pitching coach may have helped him. Or he’s having a very good day. Or he’s getting a lot of help from the Ys.
Let’s stop making excuses for Hughes. It’s not the lack of Ichiro, it’s not the catcher, and it’s not the ump. He’s not pitching well, and I’ve not been as big a fan of his as many here.
Bullpen time.
I blame the director. He jinxed Hughes by showing Girardi after every pitch
What an embarrassment for Hughes…. especially with CC going on the DL and the Yanks needing some length.
Count me as fed up… to the bullpen with him! Frankly I’d rather see Lowe start in five days. This is friggin’ putrid
Think that Hughes is having Lowe anxiety?
j/k – kind of
Girardi should tell him in the dugout he’s going 110 pitches no matter what so he might as well find some testosterone.
Belt high fastballs, belt high curves: not a recipe for success.
jacksquat August 12th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Let’s stop making excuses for Hughes. It’s not the lack of Ichiro, it’s not the catcher, and it’s not the ump. He’s not pitching well, and I’ve not been as big a fan of his as many here.
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So the previous 3 months meant nothing? He had a bad game. He’ll bounce back. He always does.
Yay, A CU. An honest to God CU.
Don’t worry this start and the rest of his stinkers will soon be forgotten the next time he goes 5 and gives up 2 or 3 runs. We will be talking extension again. Yippy
igotid88, I’m not getting into a discussion with you about Hughes, as it seems your sole purpose here is to defend Hughes no matter what.
I know I’m overreacting. But I HATE his body language today and to me you simply must man up when your team’s # 1 just got on the DL.
Pitching to Encarnacion is both his AND Girardi’s mistake. Far and away the most dangerous hitter on the Blue Jays team and they treat him like his Chris Stewart.
Off to see James Earl Jones on Broadway. Has to be better than watching this crap.
When the Yankees aren’t winning, this team is very, very hard to watch. It’s great when the bench players come up with big hits and mediocre starters grind out wins, but when things aren’t going well, all you have left to watch are bench players and mediocre starters. There is nothing exciting about this team. They don’t have a real superstar and they don’t do anything in the field particularly great. It’s just a lot of average and slightly above average that sums up to a good record over the course of a long season, but doesn’t wow you along the way.
I’ll have Hughes go 1 more inning. At least give him a chance for the win. His previous 2 starts against the Jays 12ip 4er. 2L. And both of those with Bautista in the lineup
ROFL phil hughes is such garbage
jacksquat August 12th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
igotid88, I’m not getting into a discussion with you about Hughes, as it seems your sole purpose here is to defend Hughes no matter what.
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Someone needs to.
Hughes you suck.
Big Papi remains out, unable to run without pain
Either the fat fraud is faking it because he knows that no heroics will save that sinking steamboat – or he genuinely is hurt. In any event, karma is a huge biotch!
Hughes is not getting the win. No need to expose his garbage stuff anymore. The curve is a non-strike as are his other breaking balls. They’re just sitting in his fastball.
Yeah Curtis, welcome to the 239 BA.
The next Roger Clemens. I swear Roger could outpitch Hughes at age 70
As bad a Martin has been offensively and defensively. He still gets more love than A-Rod during his MVP type seasons.
sunny615 August 12th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Hughes is not getting the win. No need to expose his garbage stuff anymore. The curve is a non-strike as are his other breaking balls. They’re just sitting in his fastball.
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They are strikes they just haven’t been called for the most part.
igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
As bad a Martin has been offensively and defensively. He still gets more love than A-Rod during his MVP type seasons.
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only idiot yankee fans hate arod, and there are alot of them, I heard a radio show were a fan said the yankees won in 2009 INSPITE of arod,…they never woulda won without him
RS – even more the reason you need to depend on your SP.
Nats are #1 in the majors and also #1 in ERA while they are #14 in R. You can overstate the importance of SP, because on a day when your offense isn’t clicking, having a dominant pitcher can make all the difference in the world.
You can have your offense be devastatingly good, but if your SP is devastatingly bad the other team will take fulll advantage. Ask the Sux. (Not saying that Hughes was devastatingly bad, just once again trying to highlight the importance of stellar pitching.)
I am so relieved Hughes only has one year left with this team. They better be smart about cutting him loose.
AAA Jays schooling the Yankees on how to hit singles.
Should have been – You can’t overstate the importance of SP, because on a day when your offense isn’t clicking, having a dominant pitcher can make all the difference in the world.
Hughes had multiple issues today. First is his curveball. His arm angle is not consistent, and the curve constantly looked different. One version is more 12-6 and it’s pretty good. The other version, which was more often the result, is more side to side and it’s worse and hitters don’t chase it as often. He really needs to try to pin down the correct arm angle on his curve.
So when he missed with his curve, he’s getting in bad counts, and then he’s too predictable. Fastball count, and then to boot he misses his spot with his fastball and grooves it. Really awful outing. He just cannot seem to take that next step.
Bret The Hitman August 12th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
The next Roger Clemens. I swear Roger could outpitch Hughes at age 70
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How are Ubaldo Jiminez and Dan Haren doing?
Whether Hughes gets the calls or not, he still doesn’t have any other pitches he can throw for strikes so they’re still sitting on his flat fastball and hammering him. No need to prolong the misery.
Having better careers than Phil Hughes?
Phil’s ER have been really quite good. But the propensity to give up the long ball makes me feel that I would much rather see Freddy in the postseason rotation than Phil. If not Freddy, then someone else rather than Phil. When you’re up agains butt-kicking SP, one run can make the difference.
theREALkevin August 12th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Hughes had multiple issues today. First is his curveball. His arm angle is not consistent, and the curve constantly looked different. One version is more 12-6 and it’s pretty good. The other version, which was more often the result, is more side to side and it’s worse and hitters don’t chase it as often. He really needs to try to pin down the correct arm angle on his curve.
So when he missed with his curve, he’s getting in bad counts, and then he’s too predictable. Fastball count, and then to boot he misses his spot with his fastball and grooves it. Really awful outing. He just cannot seem to take that next step.
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That’s why I don’t like when Martin calls for that outside pitch on 0-2. Only to have Hughes strikeout the batter on 3-2. Or whatever the outcome of the at-bat. Making him throw extra pitches. Especially in 1 game the batters are chase happy and the next they’re patient hitters.
With Igarashi in, does it seem like Girardi just waved the white flag?
We should give it up for Phil and his effort, afterall he’s giving it up to everyone else.
Kev – this is anecdotal rather than statistical, though stats might bear it out, but it seems that our other starters have an easier time making adjustments than Phil does. When things start to go bad, the others just seem to battle better.
hughes nova and freddy hopefully wont make any post-season starts…
CC, Kuroda and Andy will have to carry the load
Hughes doesn’t know how to pitch. He can throw with the best of them but he doesn’t have a clue how to pitch without your best stuff. His curve used to be his second best pitch but he stopped using it and lost consistency. His change is still way behind the rest. Until he develops a third pitch and can use it with regularity – he’ll always be a two pitch pitcher and a real predicable one at that. Move him to the pen and call it a day.
BIG AL,
Phil definitely puts out.
Bret The Hitman August 12th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Having better careers than Phil Hughes?
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They have more starts and not better by much. And as far as I can tell weren’t stunted by injuries or bullpen.
“With Igarashi in, does it seem like Girardi just waved the white flag?”
Not sure but with the lead when have in the AL and Pettitte down, I’d rather see Phelps start tomorrow than be wasted today.
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And it just became totally irrelevant…
The fat lady just sang the whole song, it’s all over.
Good job Girardi. Who’s next to pitch? Swisher?
I just hope they don’t bring Phelps into this game and Lowe has to start tomorrow.
Phil certainly hasn’t been stunted by excuses, that’s for sure. He’s made a career out of it.
Mr. mick,
Great race at the Glen!
Too bad rosters haven’t expanded. I’d pull everyone at this point. Kinda made it moot when you put in igarashi.
“I just hope they don’t bring Phelps into this game and Lowe has to start tomorrow.”
Even I would call that a totally wasted pitch performance were that to happen. I think Girardi needs to turn the page on this one. No big deal.
igotid,
Yeah I agree. It is frustrating when he does get ahead 0-2 and instead of burying a curve in the dirt or throwing a high fastball they elect to go with an outside fastball that’s hittable, or even worse it ends up over the middle of the plate. Gotta be smarter.
Trisha,
I think you’re probably on to something, it does have a tendency to snowball with Phil. His propensity for the home run is also troubling. I worry that this is basically all he would ever be with the Yanks and that only with another team could he ever a chance of taking that next step to be more reliable.
Hughes right now reminds me of Wang. When either didn’t have their best pitch, they were basically flat out bullpen meatball pitchers.
trisha – true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Kev – this is anecdotal rather than statistical, though stats might bear it out, but it seems that our other starters have an easier time making adjustments than Phil does. When things start to go bad, the others just seem to battle better.
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I don’t know if that’s true. I’ve seen him battle when he doesn’t have his best stuff.
Tomorrow we face Dempster, with our #6 SP. The last 6 weeks of this season is not going to be easy to watch.
Bret The Hitman August 12th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Phil certainly hasn’t been stunted by excuses, that’s for sure. He’s made a career out of it.
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He’s never made excuses
Hughes throw two types of pitches to righties. They can sit on one. He also throws the change to lefties and has more success. If his fastball, thrown way too often, isn’t spotted well, it gets hit hard. I say throw the change to righties.
I wake up from my nap and we’re down 10 runs?
Remember who is calling the game, and location of those pitches Phil threw.
I might be in the minority, but, I prefer Stewart as C.
Hi Big Al!!!
I’m thinking that Phelps is going to surprise us pleasantly! And we do have Lowe now. I’m not worried where we’ll end up. I think it’s going to be a fun watch. I like the excitement of the unknown because the Yanks seem to just get tougher when their backs are against the wall.
Odd that Hughes has bad road era than at home. You would think the opposite was true
When it rains it pours. With the news about CC, I expected a bounce-back performance from Hughes today, but instead, he was bounced out of Toronto in four innings. What a way to let your team down when they needed you most. I guess that at this stage of his career, it’s fair to say he’s not going to develop in the top-of-the-rotation starter he was projected to be. Shame. Going to watch the golf instead. Go Rory!
Big Al – it’s Phil’s responsibility to shake off Martin if he doesn’t like the location called for.
Igotid – In terms of toughness, I think that Phil has the glassiest jaw of all of our starters. It may just be his body language sometimes but he doesn’t seem to have a pulse on the mound. He always seems to be in the same mode. I trust all of our starters, but I trust him the least. That’s not a bad thing because I think they can all garner us wins. But for me, he’s at the back end of our rotation.
Yanks can still put a few dozen on the board.
Not all pitchers can pitch to a 9 run lead.
Big Al,
Hughes rarely ever hit the mitt all day.
Hi Trisha -
No doubt, it will be an interesting ride the season. I’m looking forward to a healthy A-Rod return, and hope this situation with CC is just a bump in the road. Remember, after the last time CC had to sit for a few days, he came back strong. This could be a blessing if he’s healthy, and strong for the remainder of the season. It’s out of our hands, in those of a greater power.
trisha – true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2012 at 11:12 am
“Yanks61 – what part of France are you in? My earlier posts were hits and runs and I just got back in! I didn’t know you were in France. Tell more!”
Hi Trish. I don’t want to break up the game thread (such as it currently is considering the way things are going!) I’m in and out for the next little while. I just wanted to very briefly reply to your question. I’m married to a French woman and worked for a U.S. company in the Paris area for 24 years. Do you know France a bit? We’re both retired now and living along the Loire between Orleans and Blois, in my wife’s hometown. Talk to you more during the day sometime?
Again, apologies to all for the intermission. Now back to regularily scheduled programming!
trisha – true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Big Al – it’s Phil’s responsibility to shake off Martin if he doesn’t like the location called for.
Igotid – In terms of toughness, I think that Phil has the glassiest jaw of all of our starters. It may just be his body language sometimes but he doesn’t seem to have a pulse on the mound. He always seems to be in the same mode. I trust all of our starters, but I trust him the least. That’s not a bad thing because I think they can all garner us wins. But for me, he’s at the back end of our rotation.
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I have to disagree. I was always a supporter of Eli Manning when everyone gave up on him. And they said he didn’t show toughness. I think what you see is frustration. Do you want him to look mean?
They always give Hughes run support when he’s out of the game
At least the players are still fighting.
“It’s out of our hands, in those of a greater power.
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And I have it on good faith that the greater power just loves our Yanks!
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Yank61 – would LOVE to talk to you about it during the day! I have so many questions I’d love to ask. One of my brothers lived in France for several years – he was in Besancon – but because I was in law school I never got over there. I just hear so much about the beauty and the way of life. I think it’s brave to uproot and go to another country. I know I could never do it! Heck, my ex wanted to “uproot” and move to Virginia and I wouldn’t do it. (The curse of the big Italian family)
“They always give Hughes run support when he’s out of the game”
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I guess if the O gives Phil an 11 run lead, he can pitch well enough to win. lol
just got in.. i see Hughes got bombed… 4 and 3 road trip aint bad… with texas and boston coming up these are the dogs day when you have to grind out each game despite 6 game lead.
igotid, I don’t know. Maybe he’s hurt? All I’m saying is that I am very happy with the Yankee rotation, but I have my own order of excellence and who I’d rather see in the postseason is all. Not everyone agrees on this stuff.
Not saying Hughes pitched well. But this is probably a different ballgame if Ichiro was in left. And Casey doesn’t give up on that groundball that would have been the 3rd out in which both runners score. His last start against the Tigers he was just unlucky for the most part.
Nix is a great asset to this team, I sure hope they keep him around.
“They always give Hughes run support when he’s out of the game”
Maybe that’s relief you’re seeing – and I don’t mean out of the bullpen!
Let’s hope Andy comes back soon, and is very effective, the tean needs the old Andy SP for the stretch run.
Nice play by Nix at 2B. I don’t think Nunez is going to take his spot.
Asides from CC and Kuroda, barring injuries, I think the rest are up in air in PS. X factor is Pettite, i am unsure if he can get back in form in time… we will see.
Son of a b. Robbed a hr
Statement of fact: Yanks are going to lose games between now and the end of the season. It’s going to happen. We all know it.
I’d rather see those losses be close rather than blowouts.
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Amazing catch!!!
But we know McGehee has power!
What a difference maker that could have been!
O’s and Rays still losing.
As far as power production, the Chavez-McGehee combo matches ARod’s diminished production. McGehee is not much with the glove, but he looks like a decent pickup, particularly with his RF power at Yankee Stadium.
Nice play by Nix at 2B. I don’t think Nunez is going to take his spot.
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dont think Nunez is going to be super U, D too shaky. but i do think Nunez is mlb ready SS who can probably play for lot of other teams now as a regular. I think Nunez can put out OPS comparable to Jeter of now.
This team is showing a lot of fight.
Keep it coming!
trisha – true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
igotid, I don’t know. Maybe he’s hurt? All I’m saying is that I am very happy with the Yankee rotation, but I have my own order of excellence and who I’d rather see in the postseason is all. Not everyone agrees on this stuff.
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I don’t know if he’s hurt. His previous 2 starts he was unlucky with the hits. Most bloops and bleeders. This game the hits were clean. Maybe he’s adjusting to the innings. He threw about 86 last year. Or maybe it doesn’t matter because he’s 1 year removed from his high of 176. At some point things should go his way if you believe 1 bloop hit will turn into a hard out. Or a batter not chasing strike 3 means they will later on.
As for toughness. Or mound presence. That could fool you at times. When Nova was getting hammered. No one questioned his toughness. But that didn’t help him pitch well.
Offense battling back!!
Boy did Farrell stay too long at the dance!
Trish, I come from a big Irish family – 8 boys and a girl! But there’s 10 years difference between me and the next boy. For my wife and I, my younger brothers were (and still are) almost like our kids.
My wife and I were married in NYC and lived in the NY area for 10 years before packing up so my wife could be closer to HER family for a while. I had been a sales mgr. with Alitalia and got a similiar position in France with a tax and business law publisher and eventually become European Regional Manager.
Yes, we’ve visited Besancon, but I don’t know it all well. We’ve had the good fortune to travel extensively in France, including frequent visits to my wife’s family in Dijon, Aix-en-Provence and Cannes. If you have more questions about life here, feel free to ask Chad for my email.
What a play by Davis. Talk about perfect timing to get to the ball and wall at the same time.
no expiry date on this team.
Hi yankee fans
not really a baseball day for me – I sincerely hope CC will be A-O.K. – if my team can’t win, hope you gather the party!!!
yanks61…next time in Dijon, pick me up some mustard.
This high scoring game is at least partially the fault of the tiny strike zone that both teams have had to deal with. A lot more pitches leak over the middle of the plate when the corners are called balls.
I also think the reason Hughes got beat up so badly is because of his high pitch count within innings. When you tire, you’re far more likely to make a mistake. If he would throw his curveball for a strike more often and incorporate a changeup, he could consistently throw his fastball at 93 without problems. The guy isn’t hurt, he’s just stubborn and had to deal with a bad umpire. He needs a talking to and he needs to work on his changeup and consider incorporating the occasional cutter on lefties.
We couldn’t possibly, could we?
trisha – true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
“They always give Hughes run support when he’s out of the game”
Maybe that’s relief you’re seeing – and I don’t mean out of the bullpen!
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They owe Hughes. He’s lost many games this season or has gotten a No D. When he’s given up 2 runs. For someone who has a pretty good whip. And low walks and BAA. His record and era doesn’t show it. Obviously the HR are mostly responsible for the era. But still
Igotid – it’s all preference, that’s all. I guess I like Nova’s array of pitcher’s better. And wily Freddy’s veteran presence and ability to handle adversity.
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Speaking of evisceration – Sux absolutely annihilating the Tribe, 14-1 – in the 5th!
I knew Joe took out Hughes too early
That was intentional
im working but i still got an eye on this one…
Igotid – I didn’t say toss Phil out of the rotation. I said in the postseason I want him in the pen.
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How about our “one dimensional” offense – that isn’t!
As I keep saying – progress and improvement.
This makes Hughes’ crappy performance all the more frustrating.
If joe didn’t take hughes out, it’d be 17-7.
yanks61 – I will definitely ask Chad for your email. And I would love to see pictures of your environs! Do you love the way of life out there? It just seems so pastoral (sigh).
“If joe didn’t take hughes out, it’d be 17-7.”
Agree. You can’t blame him for attempting to stop the bleeding!
Really would be a nice game to have before the showdown with Texas. Need a shutdown inning here.
It’s a possibility that both Nova and Hughes are going through Dead Arm periods.
It doesn’t mean that Hughes doesn’t desperately need a third pitch. Throwing the same pitch over and over just doesn’t work in the Majors.
If Girardi didn’t give up on this team with his BP choice, we could be in a tie game.
tucker, even if the Jays end up taking this game, fans would have to take total heart from the come back attempt!
A GIDP would be helpful.
trisha – true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Igotid – it’s all preference, that’s all. I guess I like Nova’s array of pitcher’s better. And wily Freddy’s veteran presence and ability to handle adversity.
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Hughes has had more success with less. But I think people become forgetful everytime Hughes has a good start. They treat it like it was his first good start ever. It seems that way every good start. Then we has a game like today. People forget that “one good start” was actually 3 months worth of good starts.
“If Girardi didn’t give up on this team with his BP choice, we could be in a tie game.”
Big Al – I think he did what he had to do, which was not to use Phelps. The last thing I would want to see if Lowe thrown into the mix against the Rangers without even getting his feet wet.
Sometimes you have to make small sacrifices for bigger things down the road.
Anyone agree with Hughes as part of an off season deal to the D-Backs for JU?
Is it safe to say that the usual inconsistent Hughes is back?
I wouldn’t trade Hughes until I knew Pineda made a complete recovery. I’d wait until the July trade deadline.
Yanks61 – Irish uh? Yeats, Joyce, Bono and the Corrs! – great lineage ( Van Morrison lose marks for poor behaviour.) I’m a mix of Scottish and German or something ( managed to circumnavigate the English )
Tomingeorgia, I meant to get back to you too, but had to walk the pup.
No, it may be my fault for not being clearer, but my comment was purely about the ongoing pitching vs hitting controversy in general and therefore only indirectly about JM. And my jab was made in the same light-hearted spirit as all Randi’s jabs are made on the subject – thus the smiley face.
Tom, perhaps I just never got over the shell-shock of Koufax, Drysdale and Podres just totally shutting down that incredible Yankee offense!?
BIG AL says:
August 12, 2012 at 3:23 pm
If Girardi didn’t give up on this team with his BP choice, we could be in a tie game.
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Who else would you bring in hat situation? You can’t burn Phelps because he starts tomorrow. The rest of the pen consists of short relievers.
sunny615 August 12th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
If joe didn’t take hughes out, it’d be 17-7.
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I doubt it. He had 20 more pitches left in him. He could have gone 5ip 100pitches.
SOrry, ” loses.”
And really, with the way Haap was pitching, you would have had to be Nostradamus to assume that the Yankees were going to break this one apart.
Good job by Eppley — exactly what they needed.
Igotid, there’s no shame in saying that Hughes was stinking out the joint. It happens. Hughes was stinking out the joint. He needed to be pulled – for his good as well as the good of the Ys. Who other than you on this forum would have applauded Joe for keeping him in there? Be real now.
Hughes just has a limited toolbox. Without contol of his FB, he becomes one dimensional and the kids can all hit the FB down the middle. He needs at the least, a two seamer to get some run.
mick August 12th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
yanks61…next time in Dijon, pick me up some mustard.
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Just send me an address and I will send you some moutarde de Dijon!But you really want to try mayo with mustard. That’s the only kind we use. You can buy it in the States too:
http://www.hellmanns.gr/en_uk/.....naise.aspx
BIG AL August 12th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Anyone agree with Hughes as part of an off season deal to the D-Backs for JU?
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No. And you’ll only have CC and Nova as your set starters. And hopefully Kuroda comes back for less. And Pettitte even if he does come back you can’t count on him for 200inn. And Pineda probably won’t start until May. And he’s still a question mark on how well he’ll pitch for us.
Why does Girardi always look so constipated??
i thought Igarashi was only here for AAA depth. the narrative would be the same if he pitched 2 scoreless innings. the dude had horrible whip with the mets. It’s little surprise he will get torch in al even more.
Hughes had no breaking ball. They were sitting on his fastball (which was waist high and flat and my sister). He was not going to make it through another inning with giving up 6.
trisha – true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Igotid, there’s no shame in saying that Hughes was stinking out the joint. It happens. Hughes was stinking out the joint. He needed to be pulled – for his good as well as the good of the Ys. Who other than you on this forum would have applauded Joe for keeping him in there? Be real now.
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I know. I didn’t say he wasn’t bad today. But he could have pitched 1 more inning. Especially if you wanted to save the bullpen.
Flat *as* my sister.
“I know. I didn’t say he wasn’t bad today. But he could have pitched 1 more inning. Especially if you wanted to save the bullpen.”
That’s when a manager is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. Putting Hughes out there for another inning would have definitely signed a white flag. So Girardi did the best he could with what he had. With the Texas series coming up I’m sure the last thing he wants to do is burn through the pen. And putting Hughes back out there would have been unfair to both Hughes and to the Yankees, IMO.
bo, that’s a fair analysis of young squire Hughes…
trisha – true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
yanks61 – I will definitely ask Chad for your email. And I would love to see pictures of your environs! Do you love the way of life out there? It just seems so pastoral (sigh).
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Yes, it’s pretty laid back; great food, great wine and we’re about 30 minutes from Chambord, a little further to Chaumont-sur-Loire, Chenonceaux, Azay-le-Rideau – just to name a few of the chateaux. I could send you some photos after we’re in touch by email.
yanks61 – you will be hearing from me as soon as Chad forwards me your email.
trisha – true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
“I know. I didn’t say he wasn’t bad today. But he could have pitched 1 more inning. Especially if you wanted to save the bullpen.”
That’s when a manager is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. Putting Hughes out there for another inning would have definitely signed a white flag. So Girardi did the best he could with what he had. With the Texas series coming up I’m sure the last thing he wants to do is burn through the pen. And putting Hughes back out there would have been unfair to both Hughes and to the Yankees, IMO.
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There are times Hughes is taken out early when he’s pitching well and the bullpen almost blows it. I rather take my chances with Hughes unless Phelps was coming in.
jmills August 12th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Yanks61 – Irish uh? Yeats, Joyce, Bono and the Corrs! – great lineage ( Van Morrison lose marks for poor behaviour.) I’m a mix of Scottish and German or something ( managed to circumnavigate the English )
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jmills, have you ever visited Dublin? You must do it one day on 16 June – Bloomsday – and follow the ghost of Joyce (and Leopold Bloom of course) on their journey about town.
Yeats and Dylan Thomas (Welsh, of course) are my two favorite 20th century poets. Yes, good company!
Also I rather Hughes be a fly ball pitcher. Whenever he gives up grounders. It hardly turns out well.
Have we burned up the entire pen yet?
“There are times Hughes is taken out early when he’s pitching well and the bullpen almost blows it. I rather take my chances with Hughes unless Phelps was coming in.”
7 ER in 4 innings and you wanted him back out???
Girardi would have been shot like swiss cheese and would have deserved it. Hughes was HORRENDOUS. I would have preferred to see the towel guy out there rather than Hughes.
trisha – true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
yanks61 – you will be hearing from me as soon as Chad forwards me your email.
I’ll look forward to it.
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Now can the Yanks score four or more in the ninth?
This is the kind of game Joba should be in. Let him continue to get some pratice.
Rajai is good piece to have on hand – still surprised at Snider going, but double A transpires more than this self. I really enjoyed sitting beside that nice Yankee employee taking stats on Friday night. – Trish, he had a radar gun named, ” Stalker,” that wasn’t working!
Buy the guy a new one – he was too young to remember Jim Beattie.
yanks61,
Three will do, then Swish in for the win in the tenth!
“Now can the Yanks score four or more in the ninth?”
I’d actually rather see Janssen shut them down. It seems that whenever the Yanks score a barrel of runs, they have nothing to give for the next few games!
Yanks61 – I’ll get, ” rite,” on it, thanks !
trisha – true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
“There are times Hughes is taken out early when he’s pitching well and the bullpen almost blows it. I rather take my chances with Hughes unless Phelps was coming in.”
7 ER in 4 innings and you wanted him back out???
Girardi would have been shot like swiss cheese and would have deserved it. Hughes was HORRENDOUS. I would have preferred to see the towel guy out there rather than Hughes.
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If you’re not going to use your best out of the bullpen. Then yes. If McGehee doesn’t give up on the ball the inning is over with only 5 runs scored. Not great. But I’m sure he would be back out there if what happened next didn’t.
Wow, Janssen sure is fidgety!
congrats jmills!
Great attempt at comeback Yanks!!!
Onward and upward.
That was quick.
igotid – it’s over. Turn the page. All pitchers lose games.
If we had a good starter today, it would’ve been a win.
I really like Mathis, the guy can receive.
One game now over; strong health your way friends.
I think I’ll spare myself the postgame.
Have a great night all!
there is a reason why the blog is down to a couple of hundred comments.
… and it’s not that the yankees lost.
Montero usually heats up during he summer months. His pattern was consistent in the minors as well as last year prior (and during) his call up.