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Hughes knocked around in Toronto finale

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 12, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Phil Hughes’ worst start since April kept the Yankees from finishing off a series sweep and left them with a 10-7 loss in today’s series finale in Toronto. Hughes allowed one run through the first three innings, but the game got out of hand quickly when the Blue Jays scored six runs in the fourth inning, five of them with two outs. All told, Hughes was charged with seven earned runs through four innings. It was his second straight rocky start. The Yankees did make a game of it by scoring three runs in the sixth and three more in the seventh. Derek Jeter and Robinson Cano both homered. Mark Teixeira, Jayson Nix and Casey McGehee each had RBI doubles.

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50 Responses to “Hughes knocked around in Toronto finale”

  1. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    Hughes will bounce back his next start.

  2. sunny615 August 12th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Hughes… Learn how to pitch. Then maybe you won’t be so dam vulnerable when one or two of your pitches abandons you.

  3. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Montero just homered off of Weaver

  4. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    sunny615 August 12th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
    Hughes… Learn how to pitch. Then maybe you won’t be so dam vulnerable when one or two of your pitches abandons you.
    ————————

    He knows how to pitch. Just didn’t have it today. He was throwing strikes. Just not quality ones. Really hope Stewart catches him his next start.

  5. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
    Montero just homered off of Weaver
    ———————–

    And he’s a RHP. And a very good one.

  6. Cashmoney August 12th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    He knows how to pitch. Just didn’t have it today. He was throwing strikes. Just not quality ones. Really hope Stewart catches him his next start.
    ——-
    Hughes is what he is, a guy with two pitch arsenal who is stuff is good but not overwhelming. a guy who has control but not command.

  7. CCBiggs August 12th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    When are the Yankees going to wake up and realize that Phil Hughes is not a good pitcher? Yes, he has pitched well for parts of the season and sometimes he pitches very well. But his ERA for the year is now 4.44. That’s bad.

  8. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    What bugged me more about this game more was the damn director showing Girardi after every hit. Especially after the 1st hit.

  9. Nick in SF August 12th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Has the oft-predicted power surge from Montero finally arrived?

    I hope so.

  10. bruceb August 12th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    We’re stuck with Hughes right now, for better or for worse. Least he doesn’t have to pitch against that stacked Rangers lineup. Next 10 games (Rangers, Red Sox, White Sox) is going to be grueling on both the team and the fans, especially without CC. The good news is at least our offense is hitting.

  11. RMS August 12th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Why is Igarashi on the Yanks? He was a Met and they let him go. That should tell you something. Yanks got to have someone better than him.

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    One of the few times Michael Kay was right, when Hughes starts to go bad, he cannot stop the bleeding.

  12. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Cashmoney August 12th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
    He knows how to pitch. Just didn’t have it today. He was throwing strikes. Just not quality ones. Really hope Stewart catches him his next start.
    ——-
    Hughes is what he is, a guy with two pitch arsenal who is stuff is good but not overwhelming. a guy who has control but not command.
    ———————–

    I would say 3 pitch. For some reason someone is not calling for that 3rd pitch. He doesn’t walk many batters so his command is not that off. I think because he doesn’t get the corner calls he maybe tries to throw harder and the ball gets away from him. Especially when you don’t get the corner calls. The batter is less likely to chase a perfectly placed pitch outside. Maybe I’m confusing control with command.

  13. yankfan August 12th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    hughes is trash

    colon is better than him

  14. Against All Odds August 12th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    BIG AL August 12th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
    Anyone agree with Hughes as part of an off season deal to the D-Backs for JU?
    —————————–

    No. And you’ll only have CC and Nova as your set starters

    ——————————————————

    If you can get a guy like Upton for a package centered around Hughes you do it and don’t think twice.

  15. bruceb August 12th, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Could do with the Rays losing today. 3-3 bottom of the 8th in Minny.

  16. JobaTipsHisCap August 12th, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    Hughes shouldn’t be postseason pitcher now, but he can eat some innings in regular season.

  17. austinmac August 12th, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    I’m not sure Hughes ever throws a change to righties. He is, practically, a two pitch pitcher to them. He doesn’t throw hard enough for that.

  18. Against All Odds August 12th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    Cashmoney August 12th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    He knows how to pitch. Just didn’t have it today. He was throwing strikes. Just not quality ones. Really hope Stewart catches him his next start.
    ——-
    Hughes is what he is, a guy with two pitch arsenal who is stuff is good but not overwhelming. a guy who has control but not command.

    —————————–

    Francesa said it a few days ago. It always feels like Hughes is one pitch away from having a bad game

  19. Cashmoney August 12th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    Igo, command is where you place in the strike zone. I venture to say 5/10 mlb pitchers dont have good command. As for his changeup…you might have a point that it needs to be called more often. Martin might a good catcher/thrower, he is game calling is underwhelming. He is a slight above replacement guy imo.

  20. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    CCBiggs August 12th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
    When are the Yankees going to wake up and realize that Phil Hughes is not a good pitcher? Yes, he has pitched well for parts of the season and sometimes he pitches very well. But his ERA for the year is now 4.44. That’s bad.
    ———————–

    Most of that is due to the homerun. Although most have been solo shots. If he were to cut it down to half. Let’s 14 less solo shots. His era would be 3.55. He has given up a lot of hits lately. But the majority of the hits he gave up earlier were infield singles, 12 hoppers, bloop hits. And for a moment had his hits under innings pitched.

  21. randy l. August 12th, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    it’s amazing how home runs bump up OPS.

    almost so much i wonder about OPS’s value

  22. Cashmoney August 12th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Francesa said it a few days ago. It always feels like Hughes is one pitch away from having a bad game
    ——–
    Hughes is a very useful piece even on the championship team. i simply think ppl put way too much expectation on him given the stuff and command he has now.

    i think we can stop expecting great things from a pitcher who is not particular great in any areas and take him as what he is.

  23. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    Cashmoney August 12th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
    Igo, command is where you place in the strike zone. I venture to say 5/10 mlb pitchers dont have good command. As for his changeup…you might have a point that it needs to be called more often. Martin might a good catcher/thrower, he is game calling is underwhelming. He is a slight above replacement guy imo.
    ———————-

    Then for the most part he does hit the glove. He just doesn’t get too many corner calls. Maybe he’s unlucky with a tight strike zone umpire or Martin is putting his glove just outside of the strike zone.

  24. mick August 12th, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    why didn’t hughes pitch around encarnacion ?
    he’s their only hitter, why give him anything near the plate?
    this seems mental…can’t be he was so off he couldn’t pitch away.

  25. mick August 12th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    there is a reason why the blog is down to a couple of hundred comments.

    … and it’s not that the yankees lost.
    =========================
    usually it is at its peak when they lose, much lower when winning.

  26. bruceb August 12th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    Twins blowing chance after chance. No doubt the Rays will come through in the ninth. And yes, I am worried about them.

  27. Against All Odds August 12th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    Cashmoney August 12th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Francesa said it a few days ago. It always feels like Hughes is one pitch away from having a bad game
    ——–
    Hughes is a very useful piece even on the championship team. i simply think ppl put way too much expectation on him given the stuff and command he has now.

    i think we can stop expecting great things from a pitcher who is not particular great in any areas and take him as what he is.

    ——————–

    That maybe the best thing to do. Lower expectations and just take him for what he is. Solid mid rotation starter instead of the next Rocket.

  28. Purenyyankee August 12th, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    Hughes was pathetic. When things got tough, he melted. Did he watch from his whirlpool seat how his team battled. Get some guts Hughes.

  29. Bret The Hitman August 12th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Hughes is very much a piece of cow manure.

  30. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Against All Odds August 12th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
    igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    BIG AL August 12th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
    Anyone agree with Hughes as part of an off season deal to the D-Backs for JU?
    —————————–

    No. And you’ll only have CC and Nova as your set starters

    ——————————————————

    If you can get a guy like Upton for a package centered around Hughes you do it and don’t think twice.
    ——————-

    The apparently pitching is not important

  31. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    Against All Odds August 12th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
    igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    BIG AL August 12th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
    Anyone agree with Hughes as part of an off season deal to the D-Backs for JU?
    —————————–

    No. And you’ll only have CC and Nova as your set starters

    ——————————————————

    If you can get a guy like Upton for a package centered around Hughes you do it and don’t think twice.
    ——————-

    Then apparently pitching is not important

  32. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    I say give him at least 2 full years as a starter before writing him off. It’s the least most starters get. By the time he has that under his belt he’ll still be 28 years old. 27 for the first 3 months to start the 2014 season.

  33. randy l. August 12th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    “Hughes is very much a piece of cow manure.”

    yes, but there is cow manure and then there is cow manure.

    for example, some cows eat genetically modified feed by the evil monsanto empire and other cows eat organic natural feed.

    so the question really is what kind of manure hughes is?

    my personal opinion is that i’d sigh him to a long term contract right after a game like this really cheap.

    of course hal and hank probably own a lot of monsanto stock so that just really confuses things.

  34. waldo geraldo faldo August 12th, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    It is not about guts. Hughes simply does not have the pitches to succeed. If his fastball does not have pinpoint location, he gets battered around. Not a pitcher worth investing major years and $$ to.

  35. Yankee Trader August 12th, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    Bret-

    Didn’t see the game today. It looks like they almost came back from a 7-0 deficit but Igarashi put the game out of reach.

    Did you see any positives from the game today?

    My biggest concern is that if the starters can”t give 6-7 quality innings , the bullpen will be overused, while waiting for CC and Pettitte to return, and we saw what happened to the Braves last year, when their #1 bullpen ran out of gas and lost an 81/2 game lead down the stretch.

  36. Against All Odds August 12th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    Against All Odds August 12th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
    igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    BIG AL August 12th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
    Anyone agree with Hughes as part of an off season deal to the D-Backs for JU?
    —————————–

    No. And you’ll only have CC and Nova as your set starters

    ——————————————————

    If you can get a guy like Upton for a package centered around Hughes you do it and don’t think twice.
    ——————-

    Then apparently pitching is not important

    ———————

    It is important but so is the offense. The team needs to infuse some youth in the line-up going forward.

  37. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    Purenyyankee August 12th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
    Hughes was pathetic. When things got tough, he melted. Did he watch from his whirlpool seat how his team battled. Get some guts Hughes.
    —————————

    What about those other times he pitched great and the offense was pathetic? Unfortunately he lost those games as well. Or got a no decision when the offense showed up after he was taken out when he pitched well enough to win

  38. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    Nick in SF August 12th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
    Has the oft-predicted power surge from Montero finally arrived?

    I hope so.
    ———————————

    2 homeruns off Weaver

  39. bruceb August 12th, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    Rays take lead in top of 10th…lead will shortly be down to five. Amazing how Longoria’s return has galvanized this team instantly. You’d think he’d have needed a few games to shake off the rust. Not so. With their pitching, they don’t need to score 10 runs to win a game like we often do.

  40. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    Against All Odds August 12th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
    igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    Against All Odds August 12th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
    igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    BIG AL August 12th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    Then apparently pitching is not important

    ———————

    It is important but so is the offense. The team needs to infuse some youth in the line-up going forward.
    ====================

    But there are still question marks on the pitching staff other than CC. And what if CC’s elbow ends being like Gardner’s?

  41. Nick in SF August 12th, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    “2 homeruns off Weaver.”

    Let the good times roll. Only 8 more to go.

  42. Against All Odds August 12th, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    Against All Odds August 12th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
    igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    Against All Odds August 12th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
    igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    BIG AL August 12th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    Then apparently pitching is not important

    ———————

    It is important but so is the offense. The team needs to infuse some youth in the line-up going forward.
    ====================

    But there are still question marks on the pitching staff other than CC. And what if CC’s elbow ends being like Gardner’s?

    ————————————

    Then they are in big trouble but hopefully that’s not the case.

  43. tomingeorgia August 12th, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    Eeyores Anonymous meeting now in session.

  44. Nick in SF August 12th, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    “With their pitching, they don’t need to score 10 runs to win a game like we often do.”

    Have the Yanks won a lot of 10-9 games this season? I was not aware.

  45. randy l. August 12th, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    “Let the good times roll. Only 8 more to go.”

    you really should have factored in the eskimo factor.

    montero has been freezing his ass off all summer in seattle :)

  46. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    Nick in SF August 12th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
    “2 homeruns off Weaver.”

    Let the good times roll. Only 8 more to go.
    —————————————–
    You had him hitting 10 off of Weaver or 20 for the season?

  47. Nick in SF August 12th, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    20 for the season. But at this point I think 10 off of Weaver would accomplish that.

  48. bruceb August 12th, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    Nick in SF August 12th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
    “With their pitching, they don’t need to score 10 runs to win a game like we often do.”

    Have the Yanks won a lot of 10-9 games this season? I was not aware.

    Yanks’ pitchers have given up 40 runs in the last seven games compared to the Rays’ 16. I rest my case.

  49. longtimefan August 12th, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    To date Hughes has 6 years in MLB, a 4.38 ERA which is not all that bad, truely needs to develope another pitch and not let Russel Martin catch him, he is noticeably better this year
    pitching to Steward but his ceiling seems to be a 3rd or 4th in the rotation

  50. beedogs August 12th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    Phil Hughes is AJ Burnett without a fastball.

    I don’t know why people expect any more than a .500 record from him. He just isn’t that good.

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