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Postgame notes: “I personally gave that game away”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Aug 12, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

For the most part, Phil Hughes has pitched well since the end of April. He had that bad start in Anaheim, but followed it with a complete game in Detroit. He had a rough one against the Braves, then pitched eight shutout innings against the Indians. Today was supposed to be another bounceback.

“It’s just tough, especially the way we fought back,” Hughes said. “Knowing I personally gave that game away early is tough to live with.”

It was the fourth inning, again, that did him in. The fourth inning also got to Hughes last time out in Detroit, and the bounceback outing was right on schedule until the fourth inning today. Hughes had allowed a two-out run in the first inning, but he’d retired seven of eight when that fourth inning started. That’s when the Blue Jays batted around, scoring six more runs, five of them with two outs.

“Just a lot of fastballs out over the middle of the plate,” Hughes said. “I was trying to get the ball down and away, and a lot of pitches were running back. It was hard to find good counts and sequences to get through that inning. … It’s been a battle this road trip, for me personally. These last two starts have been bad. I need to hit the reset button when we get back home, clear my mind, and hopefully get back to doing the things I was doing earlier, and try and forget about these two.”

Hughes has been able to move on, in fact, it was one of his greatest strengths until today. He bounced back from last season, moved on from a rocky April, and before today showed an ability to follow a bad start with a great one. Hughes is a fastball pitcher, and as he put it, he has “been in control out there.” Fastballs down are finishing up, and fastballs up are hitting the middle of the plate.

Given the way he’s pitched in the second half, it should be easy to dismiss these as two rough starts in a solid season. But it’s Hughes, and there always seems to be a sense of scepticism.

“I’ve talked about it before,” Joe Girardi said. “Every pitcher’s going to go through it. When they don’t have their best stuff, you hope they figure out a way to give you six or seven innings, but he wasn’t able to do it today. … I’m not really gonna worry about it. I expect him to bounce back. He got into a long inning the other day where he threw a lot of pitches. Today he had a bad fourth inning. Both times it’s been the fourth inning. I don’t think there’s any rhyme or reason to that either. He hasn’t had his great stuff the last two starts.”

• Girardi officially named David Phelps tomorrow’s starter. “I’m looking forward to it a lot,” Phelps said. “Hopefully I’ll go out there, learn from what I did last time and give us a chance to win. It’s a huge series.”

• The Yankees went 4-3 on this trip, which isn’t bad, but ending the trip by blowing a chance at a five-game winning streak was a considerable letdown. “We had a 4-3 road trip, and it’s unfortunate we lost today,” Girardi said. “We need to have a good homestand.”

• Seven earned runs tied a season-high for Hughes.

• Derek Jeter has his 13th game with at least three hits this season. That’s one more than his total for all of last season. He was a triple away from the cycle.

• Robinson Cano’s 25th home run was the 169th of his career, tying him with Tony Lazzari for the most by a Yankee whose primary position is second base.

• The Yankees three-run seventh might have been bigger if not for a robbed home run and Andruw Jones’ sharp out to leave the bases loaded. Jones hit the ball hard, but came up with a grounder that migth have gone down the line for a double if not for Yan Gomes playing in exactly the right spot. “That’s what you want (to hit the ball hard),” Giradri said. “The guy’s standing right pretty close to the line. Good positioning.”

• Rajai Davis made one of the better catches I’ve ever seen in the seventh, robbing Casey McGehee of what looked like a home run. “It went about where I thought it was going to go,” McGehee said. “I thought it was either going to be right in front of the wall or just barely over. When I saw him turn his back, I thought he gave up on it. Little did I know he was just timing it up.”

• Davis also tied a career-high with five RBI today. “He hurt us today, didn’t he?” Girardisaid. “No doubt about it, offensively and defensively. … I don’t know (the catch) if changes the game. You don’t know, you never know what’s going to happen there, but it’s quite a catch.”

• Called up earlier in the day, Ryota Igarashi pitched two innings, the first of which included a three-run homer that was ultimately the difference in the game. “We were hoping we could keep it at 7-1,” Girardi said. “Igarashi came in. He had a good second inning. The first inning he struggled with command and then he gave up the big hit.”

• Chances are Igarashi will be optioned tomorrow to make room for Derek Lowe.

• Last word goes to Jeter, looking ahead to the upcoming Rangers series: “At this point, all the series are big,” Jeter said. “So we need to go and play well. We know how tough Texas is. They’ve played us tough the last few years and they pretty much have the same team. It’s going to be a challenge for us. Hopefully we’re up for it.”

• One last thing after the last word… Sorry the notes were a bit later than usual today. I had to rush to the airport to catch a flight. Got here in time to finish the blog, sit down to dinner with Dan Barbarisi and Wally Matthews, and catch a late flight to New York. See you all tomorrow from the Stadium.

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98 Responses to “Postgame notes: “I personally gave that game away””

  1. luis August 12th, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    So much for excuses…He is taking full responsability, like it should be, I definitely love the kid and his attitude and demeanor…

  2. MTU August 12th, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    Etch-A-Sketch it Hughes.

    Learn that split from Freddy or Hiroki.

    Do it before it’s too late.

    ;)

  3. yankfan August 12th, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    hughes is a one pitch pony

    overrated

  4. MTU August 12th, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    Nova learned his slider in 1 month.

    It can be done Phil.

    Think about it.

  5. jacksquat August 12th, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    Hughes isn’t making excuses so neither should some people here.

  6. luis August 12th, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    MTU,

    He needs a third pitch to right handed batters, no doubt…If it isn’t a two seamer, the split seems like a good choice, he gets a lot of 0-2 counts, a splitty would be perfect for those types of counts. Hell, even use the CU against them…It has been very effective against LHB, I’ll say because batters can’t sit on a specific pitch the way RHB are…You need to keep them guessing, if you only have two pitches it gets tougher to fool the batter

  7. Tidrow August 12th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    Hughes is just going through the ups and downs every young picther goes through before they hit there stride. I could remember periods in his early career where Petite couldn’t get anyone out. It happens to the best of em. Just be patient with the kid and your faith will be rewarded.

  8. MTU August 12th, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    Luis-

    Today was just a clunker. It happens to the best of them.

    That said, for Hughes to make it to the next level he still needs an effective 3rd pitch.

    Not just a token pitch.

    When things go bad you need to be able to pitch backwards.

    That takes a viable 3rd pitch.

    2-seamer, Split, etc.

    Clock is ticking.

    ;)

  9. Tidrow August 12th, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    One thing really bothers me about Hughes. I’ve never seen a pitcher get ahead of hitters so often yet have so much trouble putting said hitter away. Seems like he goes 0-2 on almost every hitter and before you blink the count is 3-2. He needs to find way to be more efficient and effective when he’s ahead of the count.

  10. MTU August 12th, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    That’s where Mr. Splitty comes in.

    ;)

  11. MTU August 12th, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Gotta go.

    Have a good evening everyone.

    :)

  12. Melk Man August 12th, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    So much for excuses…He is taking full responsability, like it should be, I definitely love the kid and his attitude and demeanor…

    ———-

    No one said Hughes made excuses himself, the people here are the ones who make the excuses for him.

    Hughes could give up 10 runs without recording an out and people will blame Martin or Girardi or a defender for not making an impossible play.

  13. luis August 12th, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    Good night MTU…Have a good one

  14. dan l August 12th, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    Jeter’s inability to make a play lost the game. I wish we had someone who can field decently at SS.

  15. MTU August 12th, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    Thanks Luis.

    You too.

  16. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    I Am Winning August 12th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
    Now Montero is so good because he hit a ball to the outfield? Igotid98 you are an absolute joke.

    I’m not a Montero basher, I would live to have his power potential on the team, but I’m not going to whine about not having him. Might as well complain about the Yankees not having Trout.
    ———————————-

    I never said he was good because he hit a ball to the outfield. I was pointing out the fact he’s been hitting the ball well the last 4 games. And has done well against rhp recently. And people here go gaga over Trout. We at least had Montero. And I could root for the player and not the team. People here do that a lot. Especially fantasy players. Why is rooting for Montero any different?

  17. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    MTU August 12th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
    Nova learned his slider in 1 month.

    It can be done Phil.

    Think about it.
    ——————-

    He used to have a slider. At least I thought he did in High School. But then they scrapped it.

  18. luis August 12th, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    Melk man,

    Didn’t watch the game, so I can’t opine on it…I would say this…As Tidrow pointed out, young pitchers are bound to have bumps in the road, so some patience is needed to go through their growing pains.

  19. Tar August 12th, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    “Eeyores Anonymous meeting now in session.”

    Haha thanks for the laugh Tom.

  20. tomingeorgia August 12th, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    Hughes lot better at explaining than he is at pitching. Tired act.

  21. CCBiggs August 12th, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    Chad has a bad habit of always starting off with good things to say about Phil Hughes (“for the most part, Phil Hughes has pitched well since April,” etc). Wrong! Look at his ERA for the season, it is 4.44. That’s worth repeating: Phil Hughes’ ERA for the season — including all of the games in which he has pitched well this year — is 4.44. That’s not good. Phil Hughes has NOT pitched well this season. Sure, he has pitched well sometimes, but a 4.44 ERA for the season is not good. It is bad. Very bad.

  22. Nick in SF August 12th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    “It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it out, although you two seem to be having trouble doing so. But here you go…our offense has to score more runs to win games than the Rays’ offense does. Oh, and by the way, anyone with an ounce of sense would take their starting pitching overs ours.”

    I see. What do you think it going to happen because of this trend you are talking about?

  23. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    Tidrow August 12th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
    One thing really bothers me about Hughes. I’ve never seen a pitcher get ahead of hitters so often yet have so much trouble putting said hitter away. Seems like he goes 0-2 on almost every hitter and before you blink the count is 3-2. He needs to find way to be more efficient and effective when he’s ahead of the count.
    ————————–

    We talked about that in the game thread. Some of it is just throwing waste pitches hoping the batter will chase instead of going right at them. Don’t know if it’s Martin or Hughes calling for those pitches. Also doesn’t help if you’re not getting many corner strikes even though the pitches are there or close enough. His fastball seemed flat today.

  24. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    CCBiggs August 12th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
    Chad has a bad habit of always starting off with good things to say about Phil Hughes (“for the most part, Phil Hughes has pitched well since April,” etc). Wrong! Look at his ERA for the season, it is 4.44. That’s worth repeating: Phil Hughes’ ERA for the season — including all of the games in which he has pitched well this year — is 4.44. That’s not good. Phil Hughes has NOT pitched well this season. Sure, he has pitched well sometimes, but a 4.44 ERA for the season is not good. It is bad. Very bad.
    ——————————————–

    He said since April. Not including April. And it usually takes about 3 good starts to get rid of 1. And e.r.a is not always indicative how well someone’s pitched.

  25. mick August 12th, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    On the outside is Mr. Phelps who looks to have the eye of the tiger.
    1st it was Freddy, then Nova he was chasing…now it’s Mr Hughes.
    Look out for Mr Phelps…

  26. luis August 12th, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    Since April 25 his ERA has gone from 7.88 to 4.44, at one point his ERA had gone down to 3,96…He is having a rough patch, that’s it…He has allowed 2 or less runs in 11 starts, 3 or less in 14 starts out of 25 starts…That’s not mediocre, that’s good…If you take April out of the equation he has pitched really well

  27. RMS August 12th, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    Look out for Mr Phelps…

    ——————————————————————————————————–
    Hope he has a great game tomorrow. I like this kid.

  28. mick August 12th, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    as long as its just a bad stretch we can live with it but it makes one wonder even with nova if he hasn’t hit a wall, only time will tell and texas this thursday….for hughes it’s friday/bost.

  29. luis August 12th, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    He has pitched on avg to a 3,69 ERA if you take out April if I am not mistaken…that’s not bad in the AL

  30. Barry August 12th, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    Go home Dan. Follow another team. The blog is lousey enough without you.

  31. mick August 12th, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    phelps has that killer look in his eye, he’s hungry…would think a pitcher needs that.

  32. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    mick August 12th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
    On the outside is Mr. Phelps who looks to have the eye of the tiger.
    1st it was Freddy, then Nova he was chasing…now it’s Mr Hughes.
    Look out for Mr Phelps…
    —————————

    He has to be able to pitch more than 4 inn. He hasn’t as a starter yet. And if he doesn’t do well. Will you give up on him as well?

  33. ron August 12th, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    1-2 PITCH PUNCH

    The key to Hughes’ development had always been adding more pitches. However, he has turned his season around by taking one away. In some ways, he has turned himself into a two-pitch starter, reliant on his fastball and curveball to navigate his way through lineups.

    The Yankees believe the approach can work in the long term, as long as Hughes keeps improving his changeup, an important tool against left-handed hitters.

    “There’s a lot of pitchers that during a course of a start will mix in three pitches,” Yankees manager Joe Girardi said. “But when it’s time to get an out, they might become more of a two-pitch pitcher in that sense. So, yeah I think he’s capable of doing it. If you can locate your fastball, you can pitch at this level. That’s the key to me.”

    Because Hughes has proven adept at locating his fastball in different parts of the strike zone, pitching coach Larry Rothschild said the approach could work for Hughes in the long term.

    “It’s up, down, in and out,” Rothschild said. “He uses the four quadrants with his fastball and that makes it effective.”

    When his command is off, as it was against the Red Sox last Saturday, Hughes’ fastball is vulnerable and innings drag on. But when he has his command, and Hughes can spot his fastball, less is more.

    For now, it’s a tradeoff that works.

    “When I don’t have good velocity or good location, or other things like that, you can be a guy who throws two pitches when you’re on, or you could be a guy who throws six pitches and you get shelled when you’re off,” Hughes said. “It works when I’m on.”

  34. luis August 12th, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    Tom,

    I am surprised that you have given up on Hughes…may I ask as to why?

  35. mick August 12th, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    what hughes did in the past as well as nova is inconsequential…it’s the current patterns that matter and no one can predict.

  36. ron August 12th, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    The above was c&p,and this is what bothers me.

    They have hughes stuck in this mentality,and it simply is not going to work.

  37. mick August 12th, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    hughes is soft, always has been, things have to be perfect for him to succeed.
    he’s got a laid back cali outlook.

  38. ron August 12th, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    Hughes needs a pitch that induces more groundballs,and he has to get more outs with pitches other than his fb.

  39. mick August 12th, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    hughes isn’t mentally tough…he should have stayed away from encarnacion all day, nothing near the plate…walk him every time…you’re trying to win a game , not challenge him.
    the guy was looking to kill today after being hit the other day.

  40. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    luis August 12th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
    He has pitched on avg to a 3,69 ERA if you take out April if I am not mistaken…that’s not bad in the AL
    ————————-

    And he has a 3.74 era at home. With a 1.19 whip and a .244 baa. And everyone said he couldn’t pitch there

  41. luis August 12th, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    Or a splitty Ron…I think he already tried the two seamer with poor results…What we are in agreement is that he needs a third pitch against RHB.

  42. jacksquat August 12th, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    Maybe if Phelps had an opportunity to make more than 2 starts in a row he could build up his pitch count/innings…

  43. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    ron August 12th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
    Hughes needs a pitch that induces more groundballs,and he has to get more outs with pitches other than his fb.
    ————–

    Maybe it’s just me. But when he has a game where he gives up grounders. He has bad games. They always seem to find holes.

  44. mick August 12th, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    He has to be able to pitch more than 4 inn. He hasn’t as a starter yet. And if he doesn’t do well. Will you give up on him as well?
    ======================
    He hasn’t gotten a chance yet. If he can’t hack it and belongs in the pen, that remains to be seen.
    Who have I given up on? Hughes and Nova ?
    They aren’t anything special yet.

  45. Tar August 12th, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    This closing Ceremony is kind of a dud.

    “Pet Shop Boys” really.

    So many good classic British acts. I would rather see Paul play for 2 hours, then what they are rolling out there so far.

  46. Nick in SF August 12th, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    Rogers Center Centre was a house of horrors for Hughes even in his 18-win season. If he gets shelled next time out, let’s talk.

  47. mick August 12th, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    If Kuroda had the run support that Hughes had in his 18 win season, he would be on the road to 20 today.

  48. luis August 12th, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    JS,

    At this point, I would think that is already too late for that. I think he has 52 innings pitched so far, plus 18,2 innings on the minors, that’s a total of 70,2 innings…He won’t get to the 150 innings mark by season’s end…He could go as a high as 110-115 before the season is over and if he stays in the rotation which I think is unlikely ( CC and Pettitte’s eventual return ) ..At this point they need to send him to a winter league to build his innings

  49. yanks 27 August 12th, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    As Bret the Hitman said, Phelps is the next Noesi. He’ll be gone this winter

  50. RMS August 12th, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    He has to be able to pitch more than 4 inn. He hasn’t as a starter yet. And if he doesn’t do well. Will you give up on him as well?
    ======================
    He hasn’t gotten a chance yet. If he can’t hack it and belongs in the pen, that remains to be seen.

    ———————————————————————————————————-
    Phelps should be a starter, period. They send him to the minors to stretch him out, then call him up to relieve. Let’s hope they don’t mess him up like Joba.

  51. mick August 12th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    They won’t treat Phelps like Joba as they are 2 totally different pitchers.
    Joba was at 100 pitches in the 5th time after time.
    Phelps comes right at you and throws strikes.
    Why would a power pitcher like Joba be a nibbler was beyond me.

  52. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    Nick in SF August 12th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
    Rogers Center Centre was a house of horrors for Hughes even in his 18-win season. If he gets shelled next time out, let’s talk.
    ————–

    In his previous 2 starts there 11.1 12h 4er 10k

  53. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    mick August 12th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
    They won’t treat Phelps like Joba as they are 2 totally different pitchers.
    Joba was at 100 pitches in the 5th time after time.
    Phelps comes right at you and throws strikes.
    Why would a power pitcher like Joba be a nibbler was beyond me.
    ———————————————–

    Phelps has averaged about 20 pitches per inning as a starter as well. And this was earlier when he was still stretched out.

  54. Nick in SF August 12th, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    “In his previous 2 starts there 11.1 12h 4er 10k”

    Yes, sometimes he’s able to put the trauma behind him. Sadly, today was not such a day.

  55. RMS August 12th, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    They won’t treat Phelps like Joba as they are 2 totally different pitchers.

    ————————————————————————————————————
    What I meant was I don’t want Phelps to be bounced from starting to relieving. Back and forth.
    I want Phelps to be a starting pitcher.

  56. mick August 12th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    If Phelps is destined to be a starter they will see it.
    Joba was not.

  57. ron August 12th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    Hughes is striking out 4 batters for every batter he walks.
    His best ratio to date,and the best ratio of any starter in the yankee rotation,i believe.
    This tells me that that ratio can’t get much better,if any better,so that tells me that unless he develops other pitches that get positive results,he won’t improve.

    He threw 4 changeups today,and 28 curves.
    Hitters are going to throw out his changeup,and only have to differentiate between his fb,and curve.
    Not hard to do.
    Hughes has to throw more changeups to lh hitters,and come up with 1 or 2 pitches to neutralize rh hitters.
    He does not throw changeups to rh hitters.
    That is a problem,so he needs a splitter,slider,sinker,or something else,other than his fb,curve only.

  58. mick August 12th, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    Why did Hughes pitch to Encarnacion all day?
    Nobody has an answer for that.

  59. Doc Iac August 12th, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    phelps next noesi? 2-11 w/a 5.77 era?

    lets hope phelps can b better than that

  60. RMS August 12th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    Hughes gives up to many home runs.

  61. mick August 12th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    Yanks win this game if Davis doesn’t make that catch.
    One of the best I’ve ever seen.

  62. RMS August 12th, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    Why did Hughes pitch to Encarnacion all day?
    Nobody has an answer for that.

    ————————————————————————————————-
    Maybe someone should ask Girardi and Rothchild. No way Hughes should have pitched to Encarnacion.

  63. Bret The Hitman August 12th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    yanks 27 August 12th, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    As Bret the Hitman said, Phelps is the next Noesi. He’ll be gone this winter

    ********

    I just hope it’s part of a package for a high impact OF or a 3b like Headley.

  64. CCBiggs August 12th, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    Why didn’t Joba throw any fastballs today? Granted, he only pitched to one batter, but it was something like 7 pitches and no fastballs. The guy throws 97 MPH and he’s in love with his breaking stuff. I don’t get it.

  65. mick August 12th, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    Joba being Joba?

  66. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    mick August 12th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
    He has to be able to pitch more than 4 inn. He hasn’t as a starter yet. And if he doesn’t do well. Will you give up on him as well?
    ======================
    He hasn’t gotten a chance yet. If he can’t hack it and belongs in the pen, that remains to be seen.
    Who have I given up on? Hughes and Nova ?
    They aren’t anything special yet.
    —————————————

    So winning 18 games the first full season as a starter regardless of run support. A year after pitching limited innings and 2 years of injuries and being sent to the minors. Only not to get called up because your contemporary has a bad start. Winning a playoff game his first year to extend the playoff at least one more game. Throwing 7 shutout innings his 1st playoff start in that 18 win season where he pitched more innings than he was supposed to. Bouncing back last year after his dead arm and bad April. To have a decent finish. Working his era from a high 7.88 to 3.96 before his latest 2 starts. That has to count for something

  67. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    mick August 12th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
    If Kuroda had the run support that Hughes had in his 18 win season, he would be on the road to 20 today.
    —————————

    Sometimes those runs come after the pitcher is taken out like today.

  68. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    RMS August 12th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
    Hughes gives up to many home runs.
    =====================

    Pretty much the reason for the 4.44 era. Take away at least 13 solo home runs and he has a 3.59 era. Maybe a little lower if that leads to an extra inning or 2. He’s been unlucky with Babip. From what i’ve seen. Too many hits via bloops and just finding holes through the infield.

  69. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    not counting today

  70. Against All Odds August 12th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    mick August 12th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    If Phelps is destined to be a starter they will see it. Joba was not

    ————-

    How do we know he started for a yr and a half

  71. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    They didn’t give Joba enough of a chance. If we had a Robertson then maybe he does. I knew when they brought him up in 2007 to finish his innings in the bullpen. And did well. That we wouldn’t see much of him as a starter.

  72. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    And if we’re worried about Phelps getting enough innings this year so he can start next year. Wouldn’t it take at least 2 years for Joba to get to starter mode?

  73. Nick in SF August 12th, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    Joba could bounce right back into it.

  74. Against All Odds August 12th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    Yankees claim they not only look at the previous yr but career high when it comes to innings

  75. luis August 12th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    Against All Odds August 12th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
    Yankees claim they not only look at the previous yr but career high when it comes to innings

    ===========================

    Yup…Like they did with Hughes and we had a dead arm season right after the jump..Not good policy…They need now to send Phelps to a winter league to build his innings with the risk of injury that it entails

  76. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    But that would be 4 seasons ago counting this one. He’s thrown 114.1 since his high of 157.1.

  77. yanks 27 August 12th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    Yanks have proven they have no idea how to handle young starters, so I wouldn’t hold my breath that they’ll do the right thing

  78. 4 NYY August 12th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    I’ve thought for quite a while that Hughes doesn’t have the confidence he needs. And another pitch would sure help. Splitter would be nice.

    He just has the facial expression of being a little too nervous, to me. JMO

    Whether he is that way or not, he needs more pitches, to make his FB look even better.

    I don’t see him being much different in the future for Yanks. He could go elsewhere and maybe become a star.

    This “pitch count” thing for the young pitchers, has gotten ridiculous IMO

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  80. igotid88 August 12th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    4 NYY August 12th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
    I’ve thought for quite a while that Hughes doesn’t have the confidence he needs. And another pitch would sure help. Splitter would be nice.

    He just has the facial expression of being a little too nervous, to me. JMO

    Whether he is that way or not, he needs more pitches, to make his FB look even better.

    I don’t see him being much different in the future for Yanks. He could go elsewhere and maybe become a star.

    This “pitch count” thing for the young pitchers, has gotten ridiculous IMO
    —————————

    I think most young pitchers mostly go with 2 pitches. The ones who have more don’t usually have a good fastball. And it’s only later in their careers that they add another pitch. I think CC said he was like that when he started out. Incorporating the changeup more much later.

  81. Against All Odds August 12th, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    @ Luis I agree

  82. Bronx Jeers August 12th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    Joba could bounce right back into it.

    —————–

    I think he’ll vault himself to the next level.

  83. blake August 13th, 2012 at 7:40 am

    Morning guys.

    Needless to say…..this is a very important week for the Yanks…..maybe the most critical week of the season as relates to hanging on to the division…..

    Yanks start a 4 gamer with Texas, then Boston, then to Chicago to play a dangerous ChiSox team……..the surging Rays start their week with the Mariners.

    The Yanks have to find a way to survive this next stretch of games and maintain as much of that 5 game lead as possible……and theyll have to do it without CC. Nova, Hughes, and Phelps have to step up…..

    If they can make it through these next 3 series without losing much ground then they likely hang on …….if not itll be a dog fight to the finish.

    Saving grace is that the Yanks end the season with the Twins and Jays.

  84. austinmac August 13th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    Two or three weeks ago folks had the division locked up for the Yanks. It is a long season, the Rays are playing well. it is far from over, but a good week would sure help.

  85. Ys Guy August 13th, 2012 at 8:18 am

    phelps threw 154 innings in 2010 and the yankees have said they will allow pitchers to throw 30 innings more in a season than their previous high water mark, which means that he should be good to go 184 innings next season.

  86. blake August 13th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    Ill be honest….this week worries me a bit…..the Yanks habe dealt with tons of injuries this year…..but to lose CC now really hurts…..this is a super tpugh stretch of games cominf and they are starting it off with a rookie who isnt even stretched out against a very dangerous lineup.

    Its really unfair to ask it of Phelps but they really need a good start from him tonight…..if he gets bombed or fails to get past the 3rd or 4th then itll hurt the pen for the rest of the week……and no off days …….

    Hate to be gloom and doom and hopefully theyll step up but this is a dangerous part of the schedule …..Im hoping they can rise to the challenge and step up……its starts with Phelps tonight.

  87. Bret The Hitman August 13th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Phelps needed injuries to Pineda, Pettitte and CC in order to crack this rotation. It’s pretty incredible the Yankees will somehow manage to survive without them plus Mo, Alex Rodriguez, Joba and Brett Gardner. And this is all with a very thin minor league system in the upper levels.

  88. Ys Guy August 13th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    it was discouraging to read about chavez. 4 games and he’s toast, thats awful. he played well, but i think they need to look for someone more dependable next year. arod isnt’ likely to miss less games next year as his gp continue to fall. i like chavez, its just sad to hear how bad he is physically.

  89. MTU August 13th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Morning.

    Consensus of opinion still seems to be that Hughes needs a viable 3rd pitch.

    I’m surprised that LR and Girardi seem satisfied w the notion that Hughes can
    make it work with 2 pitches ?

    I’m no pitching coach but I disagree.

    For Hughes or just about any starter to reach their ceiling an effective 3rd pitch is necessary.

    It keeps guys off balance and gives the pitcher something to fall back on if their primary pitch is not working.

    Take a look at D-Rob. His FB and Curve are both better than Hughes.

    His command is a little worse.

    Would you try to start him w only those 2 weapons ?

    ;)

  90. randy l. August 13th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    “Two or three weeks ago folks had the division locked up for the Yanks. It is a long season, the Rays are playing well. it is far from over, but a good week would sure help.”

    last summer on aug 1 the red sox were leading the league with a .617 winning percentage.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/standings/_/date/20110801

    it goes without saying things can happen fast.

    that said , i expect the yankees to be comfortably in the playoffs when october gets here.

    i do not however get too enthused about this team. their success is more that the league is weak rather than that they are really good.

    if montero were on this team it’d be at least interesting. anyone who watched seattle’s game yesterday would have seen that.

    montero appears ready to go on one of his late summer power surges.
    too bad it wasn’t with the yankees.
    thanks brian

  91. Bret The Hitman August 13th, 2012 at 8:44 am

    And to think how some of these injuries occurred it’s really random. Pettitte hit by a batted ball, Mo tooling around in CF during practice, Rodriguez HBP and Joba bouncing on a trampoline. The misfortune in 2012 knows no bounds.

  92. Bret The Hitman August 13th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    Plus Swisher missed some time and so did Tex.

  93. MTU August 13th, 2012 at 8:48 am

    I’m pulling for Phelps to succeed against the odds once again.

    If he can demonstrate his ability against two tough hitting clubs I think he makes the case to displace someone in the Ro.

    All he has to do is be competitive.

    His arsenal is excellent, his command terrific, and his attitude great.

    All he needs is a fair chance.

  94. MTU August 13th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    Mop walk time.

  95. Cashmoney August 13th, 2012 at 8:51 am

    I dedicate this song to Thurman Martin….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M912EcPDrKM

  96. Cashmoney August 13th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    also, in the unfortunate event that Martin ever leave us….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GLwA4P3QDk

  97. blake August 13th, 2012 at 8:58 am

    I think the Yanks can withstand a lot based on pedigree and leadership…..theyve had nearly as manu injuries as Boston and look what a mess they are…..some of that is because Cashman has done a nice job of building depth and some of it is just because the Yanks know how to get through a season….

    But there is only so much you can withstand and losing Sabathia right now sucks……and the way he described his arm worries me…..not being able to touch his shoulder? I hope its just a minor thing and he will be back in two weeks…..tjey really need him to..

    Cause heading in to a series with Texas when Tampa has won 6 straight and is playing Seattle isnt he best time to lose your ace……

    Yanks need to do what they are great at and thats weathering the storm……hopefully the can

  98. randy l. August 13th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    “His arsenal is excellent, his command terrific, and his attitude great.

    All he needs is a fair chance.”

    mtu-

    a really good offense, think murderer’s row, would help a guy like phelps wouldn’t it ?
    :)


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