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Postgame notes: “I would boo too”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Aug 16, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Joba Chamberlain said he never heard the booing today, but…

“I would boo too,” he said. “I sucked. I was there. It wasn’t good.”

The Yankees had a one-run lead after six innings. They were nine outs away from a four-game series sweep that would have firmly established them as the team to beat in the American League, but the bullpen blew it. A group that’s been very good this season coughed up six runs in the final three innings, with Cody Eppley charged with the tying run, Boone Logan taking the loss and Chamberlain booed through his rocky inning and a third during which he was charged with two runs on four hits and two walks.

“I think it’s just ironic that it all happened on the same day,” Eppley said. “… It’s just one of those things where you realize you weren’t at your best today. I think over the long season, you realize there’s going to be days like that. As long as you don’t have days like this that are back-to-back, I think you realize that in the long run you’re going to be alright.”

Big picture, this was a good series for the Yankees. They took three of four against a team that came into this series with the best record in the American League, but instead of ending it with a sweep and a 3.5-game lead for home-field advantage, the Yankees have a 1.5-game lead and a reminder that this race is far from finished.

“I’m not gonna throw chairs and kick rocks or whatever,” Chamberlain said. “You keep it in perspective. You show up tomorrow and be professional and get your work done. … It wasn’t good. There’s really no way to sugarcoat it. If it wasn’t good, it wasn’t good. They paid a price to come see a good game, see guys pitch well and hit well. You spend your hard-earned money to come out on a Thursday afternoon you want to see something good, and there wasn’t, so there’s really no other way to say it.”

• This was the Yankees second loss in nine games and their second loss in their past eight home games. The finished the season 4-3 against Texas, including 3-1 at Yankee Stadium. Since the start of 2010, the  Yankees are 11-2 at home against the Rangers.

• Before their five-run sixth, the Yankees had just one hit through the first five innings. Rangers starter Derek Holland remains winless in eight games against the Yankees in his career, going 0-5 with an 8.85 ERA.

• Ivan Nova seemed to get back on track in his previous start against the Blue Jays, but this game brought back some familiar struggles. He allowed four runs on seven hits and four walks through 5.2 innings. “It has been tough this year,” Nova said. “A lot of people are expecting more from me, and I’m not happy with what I’m doing.”

• Since the All-Star break, Nova is 1-3 with a 7.02 ERA. “I’m looking everywhere to find out what’s the problem,” he said. “I haven’t found it yet. I’m not throwing strikes. … I’m not going to say if it’s mechanical or anything, I’m just not throwing strikes. One day I’m going to find out what’s the problem. Hopefully it will be tomorrow, so I can be ready for the next one.”

• Girardi thought Nova pitched better than his numbers suggested. There was really only one hard-hit ball in that two-run first inning, and the two-run sixth started with a routine fly ball that was lost in the sun. “Maybe it’s a different game if the play is made, I don’t know,” Girardi said. “That’s going to happen, too. You see it here in left field. If you’re going to lose a ball, it’s usually in left field. He didn’t pitch that poorly, just some plays behind him that we were close to getting, we didn’t get to.”

• Andruw Jones on that ball lost in the sun: “The ball has been in the sun before. I’ve managed to play it out. I think over here in left field in this stadium the sun is pretty tough around whatever time it is. It’s one of those things. Sometimes the ball is hit perfect, right in the sun, and there’s nothing you can do. Hopefully you can battle with it and you come out and you can make a play on it.”

• Jones did snap a 48-at-bat homerless streak with a two-run homer that tied the game in the sixth. “(Holland) was pitching tough,” Jones said. “He was pitching almost like (David) Price. He was throwing hard fastballs, hard sliders. He was coming in on us a lot. When he made mistakes, we took advantage of it.”

• Is Chamberlain still trying to find some consistency? “Yeah, I think so,” Girardi said. “There’s some inconsistency. He makes some really good pitches, and then he’ll make one where he misses his spot, and that’s probably part of not throwing a lot in the last year. He just needs to continue to throw and be a little more consistent.”

• Despite his 9.00 ERA with more walks than strikeouts, Chamberlain’s roster spot seems secure. “Those are decisions that we talk about internally, if we feel he needs more work to be ready,” Girardi said. “Right now, I don’t have any plans to make changes. I talked about putting him in some low-leverage situations, but today I was forced to. That’s going to happen. In my mind, I’m not planning any changes.”

• Girardi said he wasn’t sure whether Robinson Cano should have scored on Ichiro Suzuki’s double in the eighth. Ultimately, I’m not sure it mattered. “He’s relying on the third-base coach,” Girardi said. “I was watching the ball, so I didn’t really see.”

• Nick Swisher has set a career high with at least one run and one RBI in five straight games. That’s the longest such streak by a Yankee since Alex Rodriguez had a six-game streak in 2008. … Derek Jeter extended his hitting streak to 12 games. … Suzuki had his first three-hit game as a Yankee. He’s hitting .500 with six RBI in his past eight games.

• Final word goes to Girardi: “We played pretty good baseball (this series). We pitched, for the most part, pretty well. We swung the bats pretty well. You can’t rest on what’s happened the past four days, you have to plug along here, because we’re still in a race. We’re in a race in our division, we’re in a race for the best record. I do like the way that we played, and let’s hope it carries over to this weekend.”

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309 Responses to “Postgame notes: “I would boo too””

  1. mick August 16th, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    said it before about joba-mensch like thing to say.
    booing is relative.

  2. mick August 16th, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    someone has to go down when cc returns and it very well could be joba.
    it’s only for a week.

  3. igotid88 August 16th, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    very lucky his record is only 1-3 with a 7 era

  4. austinmac August 16th, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    Booing a guy who has worked as hard as Joba is immature and counter productive. It always takes time for command to return for the TJS surgery guys. Give him a break. I’d guess he was trying his hardest.

  5. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    Joba is recovering from TJS.

    The last thing to come back is the command.

    Like the fact that he doesn’t try to sugarcoat stuff. He takes responsibility and tells it like it is.

  6. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    Blake-

    I’d like to keep Sanchez and Banuelos too but who is really untouchable when it comes to Upton ?

  7. mick August 16th, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    why don’t the O’s draw?
    not the baseball town it used to be…
    ….don’t they know they’re in a race?

  8. blake August 16th, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    I’d like to keep Sanchez and Banuelos too but who is really untouchable when it comes to Upton ?”

    Cano

  9. jmills August 16th, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    I think your players are trained not to listen,…..for the sake of their mental health. :)

    Hello! Hope you guys are well, Everything, ” seams,” manageable up here,….for the moment.

  10. mick August 16th, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    Booing a guy who has worked as hard as Joba is immature and counter productive.
    ==============
    He doesn’t take it personally. He knows they were just letting off steam.

  11. jackamir August 16th, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    It sounds like Joba has grown up a bit. Taking responsibility for some undoing is a major step in the maturing process. I like his stuff and its just a matter of time for him to be a major contributor. The Red Sox are a beaten club and we have to take advantage of their shaken psyche. A sweep would be sweet…..

  12. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    Blake-

    Yeah. That would be about it.

    ;)

  13. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    Don’t take the Sux for granted.

    They may not Pitch well but they still can mash.

  14. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    And they always have an axe to grind when it comes to the Yankees.

    of course, I still hope we kick their butts.

    :)

  15. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    Here’s my challenge.

    You have to delete one pitcher next season.

    Who will it be ?

    Hughes
    Nova
    Phelps

  16. jackamir August 16th, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    The one you can get the most for—-MTU

  17. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    Jack-

    And that is ?

  18. jackamir August 16th, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    Nova–I think!!!!

  19. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    Jack-

    So you delete Nova ?

    What did you get for him ?

  20. jackamir August 16th, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    I do think Hughes needs a change of scenery…

  21. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    Jack-

    Pick.

    Hughes or Nova. Which ?

    What was the return ?

  22. jackamir August 16th, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    J. Upton would be an upgrade.

  23. mick August 16th, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    is this game a makeup? it’s 1/2 empty and 1/2 are sux fans.

  24. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    If I had to choose between Nova and Hughes I move Hughes.

    He’s less likely to reach his cieling IMO and he has less years of control.

  25. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    Jack-

    Would the D’Backs even be interested in Phil in a trade for Upton ?

  26. jackamir August 16th, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    Hughes or Nova with Nunez and David Adams = J. Upton

  27. mick August 16th, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    we have to keep ciriaco off the bases , he has killed us.
    his avg must be over .500 against us, funny how some guys get up for us.

  28. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    Jack-

    Ya’ think ?

    I’m not sure what the D’backs really need.

    Are you ?

  29. mick August 16th, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    He’s less likely to reach his cieling
    =====================
    you use this word a lot and just thought you might want to know it’s ceiling. just looks better… ;)

  30. jackamir August 16th, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    If Ciriaco sees 1 fastball in the strikezone I will be pissed..Feed him all hooks..

  31. mick August 16th, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    Hughes or Nova with Nunez and David Adams = J. Upton
    ===========
    not enough…

  32. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    Thanks Mick.

    Sorry for the poor spelling.

    I better study up.

    :(

  33. mick August 16th, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    If Ciriaco sees 1 fastball in the strikezone I will be pissed..Feed him all hooks..
    ===============
    phelps will handle him, not so sure about hughes.

  34. mick August 16th, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    I better study up.
    ==========
    Nah. I’ve been corrected before.
    Kind of like Mac and his use of their…

  35. blake August 16th, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    Would the Nats give up Rendon for Granderson? Would the Mariners give one of their pitching prospects? Woukd the Dodgers give Zach Lee? Etc……

    If the Yanks could make a good deal for Granderson …….trade for Upton then take a 1 year flyer on Melky then thatd make a young, cheap outfield and give financial fleixbility.

  36. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    Dyslexia strikes hard too as one ages.

    Although my grammar always sucked.

    :(

  37. Bret The Hitman August 16th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    We always wrack our brains in anticipating buy-low trade targets that compare to Swisher or Granderson whose respective trade values were rock bottom.

    Why not apply the same buy-low strategy to free agents?

    Are you going to get a player of Melky’s caliber this cheap ever again?

    And what about BJ Upton?

    You can probably sign very cheaply and have some potential upside considering the cost. These are athletic OF’s who play excellent defense entering their prime years. You could probably get away with a 3 year deal to Melky for less than 27 million dollars and a 3 year 24 million dollar contract for Upton.

    3 years is about the perfect length bridge to get to Mason Williams, Tyler Austin and Slade Heathcott.

    In this scenario, you could afford to extend Granderson on a reasonable deal. They tried to get Martin to take 3 years 21 million and he got greedy and it cost him. Maybe Granderson would be more inclined to sign an extension for a reasonable cost and length.

    It might not be the best PR move but it’s better than emptying the farm.

  38. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Blake-

    The Yankees did not work this hard to build that squeaky clean clubhouse only to ruin it by acquiring Melky.

    It’s a non-starter at almost any price IMO.

  39. jackamir August 16th, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    Melky will never be a Yankee… Maybe if the Boss was still here he’d have a chance for redemption but not w/Cashman.

  40. Nick in SF August 16th, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    If anyone wants to hear Giants GM Brian Sabean dance around the Melky topic, he’ll be streaming live on knbr.com in a couple minutes.

  41. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    And another question is : How good is Melky really w/o the Roids ?

  42. blake August 16th, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    Id absolutely take a one year deal with Melky…..I highly doubt he just all the sudden turns into a .250 hitter just because of this…..actually he should be super motivated to get back and get paid…..I dont think the Yanks will do it becahse of thr baggage but there is a chance now for a really good value deal…..better than the long one he was going to sign had he not been busted…..

  43. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    I believe in forgiveness and 2nd chances but I’m not sure the Yankees do.

    ;)

  44. blake August 16th, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    MTU,

    I agree with you that rhey wont do it……but Id consider doing it……Ryan Braun is still.kinda good this year

  45. jackamir August 16th, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    MTU–No excuses needed — You’re always a welcome poster with something to say.

  46. blake August 16th, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    How much risk would there really be in a one year deal?

  47. Nick in SF August 16th, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    You can call him “Sabes” if you want.

  48. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    Blake-

    I think Braun had a stronger track record ?

    But he is still tainted anyway. There is a doubt surrounding him.

    I’ve felt that way about Bautista for years, and now maybe Encarnacion.

    Sudden, drastic changes in performance are somewhat suspect.

  49. blake August 16th, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    I dont think Braun did steroids.

  50. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    Jack-

    Thanks. I appreciate that.

    :)

  51. Bret The Hitman August 16th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    Blake,

    I think both Melky and BJ Upton could be good value deals. It’s not like the Yankees are signing Josh Hamilton here. When you have financial limitations you’re kind of forced to consider guys with warts. Make no mistake though, if you bring in both Melky and Upton, you hedge by keeping Granderson.

    I really don’t like the idea of swapping Granderson and Justin Upton because Justin Upton costs prospects and Granderson may be a better ballplayer. You might lose too much talent in that trade off.

    I’d rather bargain basement shop for free agent OF and keep Granderson.

    The guys I would look to trade are Gardner, Hughes and Joba next year at the deadline.

  52. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    Blake-

    The question was raised with Braun.

    A doubt results. Even if he won the argument.

    It was on a technicality.

  53. blake August 16th, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    Assuming Melky did a cheap deal….Melky, Gardner, and Upton all 3 wouldnt cost significantly more than Granderson will alone in 2013.

  54. jackamir August 16th, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    In most cases, “You get what you pay for”. I think this off season is going to bring some changes. Mostly in the outfield…

  55. randy l. August 16th, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    “Maybe if the Boss was still here he’d have a chance for redemption but not w/Cashman.”

    because cashman has such high personal conduct standards ?

  56. blake August 16th, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    MTU,

    He got off on a technicality……but that whole thing was fiahy to me…….nobody ever explained how his levels were 3x what anybody had ever been tested before…..that screams false positive test to me……I just dont see it……JMO

  57. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    Kinda like they found the murder weapon but didn’t have the search warrant first.

    You know the guy is guilty as sin but you just can’t use the evidence in court.

  58. Bret The Hitman August 16th, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    Think of the revenue generating possibilities for the new look Melky T-shirts.

    GOT MELKSHAKES?

  59. Bret The Hitman August 16th, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    Blake,

    You been to the gym lately? I mean, you can’t tell that when a guy looks like a stump (Brett Boone, Ryan Braun) it means he’s juicing.

  60. blake August 16th, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    Bret,

    Bj will get paid…….he will get a multi year deal……my interest in Melky now revolves around the idea that he may be forced to do a one year deal……and that Id be very interested in.

  61. jackamir August 16th, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    Randy l.———–Good comeback. I got a chuckle out of your reply…

  62. mick August 16th, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    They are not going for contracts that protrude into 2014.
    Unless they are steals…

  63. blake August 16th, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    Ryan Braun looks the opposite of a juicer.

  64. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    Blake-

    The argument pertained to improper handling.

    That’s why they let him off.

    It doesn’t mean the sample wasn’t accurate.

    It just means that it might not have been.

    Who the hell knows ? That doubt is why he got the reversal.

    He may have actually been as guilty as sin.

  65. blake August 16th, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    Braun looks the exact same rhis year and is putting up good numbers…….so either he didnt take steroids or he didnt need them.

  66. mick August 16th, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    He may have actually been as guilty as sin.
    ================
    as guilty as OJ.

  67. mick August 16th, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    Braun looks the exact same rhis year and is putting up good numbers…….so either he didnt take steroids or he didnt need them.
    ============
    He could still be using.

  68. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    Mick-

    The glove didn’t fit Braun either.

    :)

  69. randy l. August 16th, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    i’d take melky in a heartbeat because i liked the player he was when he left the yankees.

    i’d pay him based on that level however, and make him prove himself for anything more.

  70. Bret The Hitman August 16th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Blake,

    I honestly feel Melky on a 1-year deal is a pipe dream. He appealed his positive drug test result. What I want to know is, how long ago was the first test result reported to the SF Giants. Was it before they offered him the rumored (SF Chronicle) Carlos Quentin deal of 3 years 27 million? Did they offer him a lowball multiyear deal KNOWING that he was juicing and would be outed weeks after the offer? Do they value him on a multiyear deal still? Does another team out there like the Phillies or Dodgers? I would think so.

  71. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    My numero uno steroid candidate is , and has been, Jose Bautista.

    ;)

  72. mick August 16th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    The glove didn’t fit Braun either.
    ==================
    In the spirit of Johnny Cochrane:
    You must acquit.

  73. Bret The Hitman August 16th, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    Blake,

    I know guys who took steroids 10 years ago and kept some of there gains. 1 year? That’s nothing. And you think Barry Bonds is going to get back his small head ever? Nope. Permanent changes, Blake.

  74. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    Mick-

    PR BS.

    But they fell for it.

    Shows when you’re disposed to a certain POV you find a way to vaildate it.

    ;)

  75. blake August 16th, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    MTU,

    I understand that…..but when all this was going on i heard and read a couple of interviews with drug testing company reps.and they said that when a test comes back with crazy high levels like that its viewed as a red flag for a faulty test and another is done immediately to confirm……which was done and he passed the second.

    Just doesnt add up to me.

  76. Bret The Hitman August 16th, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    Bret The Hitman August 16th, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    Think of the revenue generating possibilities for the new look Melky T-shirts.

    GOT MELKSHAKES?

    ********

    David Ortiz would buy one for sure.

  77. mick August 16th, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    Hal would not take a chance on Melky even for 1 year at low money.
    Fear of failure.

  78. blake August 16th, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    “I know guys who took steroids 10 years ago and kept some of there gains. 1 year? That’s nothing.”

    All the more reason to.sign Melky! Seriously though what looks like a steroid user about Braun……

  79. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    OK Blake.

    You obviously know more about it than me.

    I surrender.

    Just wonder what fans think (if anything) ?

    :)

  80. Bret The Hitman August 16th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    Swisher for 3 years 45-50 million or Melky for 1 year 7 million is an easy choice.

    But Swisher for 3 years 45-50 million vs. Melky for 3 years 27 million is not so easy.

  81. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    Melky for zero years is the likely outcome.

    ;)

  82. blake August 16th, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    MTU,

    Not really….I just read a lot about it and its an opinion….I coukd be dead wrong.

  83. Bret The Hitman August 16th, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    That’s right, Blake. All the more reason to sign Melky. He will keep much of his gains if he continues to work hard and stay fit. He certainly won’t forget how to hit a baseball. This guy was hitting lasers in AAA as a 20 year old. His swing is a line-drive swing at its very core.

  84. mick August 16th, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    MTU

    Remember Jackie Chiles , the lawyer from Seinfeld?

    To Kramer:

    “Do you know what a balm can do?
    Nobody knows what a balm can do…”

  85. blake August 16th, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    Bret,

    Agree….I woukdnt do.more than 1 year….but he’ll still have some leftover juice in his veins next year

  86. mick August 16th, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    Swisher for 3 years 45-50 million
    ==========
    Bret do you really think Hal would spring for that?
    He will get a qualifying offer and then it’s up to Swish to shop around.

  87. Bret The Hitman August 16th, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    Mick,

    Ethier got 17 million per year. He and Swisher are basically the same hitter. And Ethier didn’t have the luxury of a bidding war as he was signed in-season rather than free agency.

  88. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    Mick-

    The English language certainly lends itself to those kinds of things.

    I really enjoy that.

    Bad puns, double-entendre, double-meanings, etc.

    Good stuff.

    Blake-

    One day we’ll all be that. Only we may or may not be wrong.

    :)

  89. blake August 16th, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    All that said…..Ill be stunned if they sign him…..the Yanks just dont like baggage like that. Seems like a good fit for the Marlins……

  90. Bret The Hitman August 16th, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    Or the Dodgers, who just took the Marlins luggage (H. Ramirez) off their hands. As the Yankees passed on Hanley possibly due to character issues, so might they stiff Melky.

  91. mick August 16th, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    Ethier got 17 million per year
    ==============
    Bret-
    Hal is dead set on getting under the 189 cap.
    It’s gonna be like winning the world series to him.

  92. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    I think the Yankees will do…………..Something.

    :)

  93. Bret The Hitman August 16th, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    Mick,

    Yeah I don’t see Swisher fitting unless they cut loose Granderson in favor of Swisher. That’s ridiculous of you ask me.

  94. mick August 16th, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    The Dodgers and Yankees have had role reversals.
    They should meet in the World Series.
    We might even be the sentimental small market favorites…

  95. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    Mick-

    Hal gets Hard*n from his #’s and spreadsheets.

    :)

  96. mick August 16th, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    MTU

    Something will happen.

    You can be sure of that.

  97. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    Mick-

    No doubt. I’m certain of it.

    It’s guaranteed.

  98. Bret The Hitman August 16th, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    David Ortiz.

    Here’s a guy who was left for dead, nabbed for roid “milkshakes” and resurrected his career. He’s still killing the ball long after his outing.

  99. Bret The Hitman August 16th, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    Long after doing roids, Ortiz is still killing the ball.

  100. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    Mick-

    Unless Nothing takes it’s place.

    :(

  101. mick August 16th, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    How do we know what anybody is doing with new creative masking agents etc…

  102. mick August 16th, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    MTU

    Even if nothing happens, it is still something.

  103. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    Or designer steroids.

    Is there such a thing, or is that too paranoid ?

  104. Bret The Hitman August 16th, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    True, Mick, therefore how would we know if Melky continued to boost his performance mysteriously as Ortiz has so late in his career, mind you.

  105. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    Mick-

    Thanks for that. I was getting confused.

    It good to know that even if nothing happens something has happened.

    It’s comforting.

    :)

  106. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    Kinda like no decision is a decision.

    :)

  107. mick August 16th, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    I don’t think they want Melky.
    They let him go, he flourishes on roids and they take him back?
    Highly unlikely. He is stupid enough to get caught again.
    Don’t forget the Cano factor either…

  108. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    So there you have it.

    Even if nothing happens this OS something has happened.

    I’ll catch you guys tomorrow. I’m gonna contemplate somethin’ outta nothin’.

    That should take a while.

    :)

  109. Bret The Hitman August 16th, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    While on the subject of nothing still being something, according to Physics, there can’t be not-space. You guys would like this PBS video on the nature of the universe if you’re ever bored. Bookmark it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

  110. mick August 16th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    They would rather have Torii Hunter for 1-2 years at a fair price than Melky.
    They are looking for guys that fit in more because of the cap and they will compliment our HOF IF.

  111. JobaTipsHisCap August 16th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    win the fxxking sux series.
    nuff said.

  112. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    And be very interesting.

    Kinda like Magic.

    Pooof !!!!

    ;)

  113. mick August 16th, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    MTU

    Remember nothing happening is highly unlikely if not impossible.

  114. Bret The Hitman August 16th, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    I think with the added liability of losing a player for 50 games, Melky fell from a 4-5 year deal to a 3 year deal at best. But I think 1-2 years for Melky is selling him short.

  115. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    Bret-

    I rather be hiking in the Mountains takin’ shoddy photographs.

    Or crashin’ into tree on my ATV.

    But hey. that’s just me.

    :)

  116. mick August 16th, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    But I think 1-2 years for Melky is selling him short.
    ==============
    They seem to love him in SF-they might take him back.

  117. jackamir August 16th, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    MTU—- You started this whole post with one question at 7:38. Here’s my challenge—-

  118. Bret The Hitman August 16th, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    That’s right. This year, Ichiro happened and so did McGehee. The year before, patience happened, also known as “Plan B – The Cliff Lee Saga continues”.

  119. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    Jack-

    Yes ?

  120. mick August 16th, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    Something is always happening Bret…
    whether we like it or not.

  121. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    And somethin’ is always gainin’ on us too.

    :(

  122. mick August 16th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    And somethin’ is always gainin’ on us too.
    ===================
    Not the sux.

  123. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Jack-

    I’m sorry. I must go.

    I’ll hear about your challenge in the AM if you’re around.

    Have a good evening.

  124. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Yup. Not the Sux.

    ;)

  125. mick August 16th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    the sux cieling is our floor

  126. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    Just as Fenway Park is like a toilet at NYS.

    :)

  127. mick August 16th, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    have you ever been to fenway?

  128. MTU August 16th, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    fortunately not.

    I don’t like sardines.

  129. blake August 16th, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    I can’t decide who I want to win this game….normally I would cheer for anybody over Boston but they are pretty irrelevant at the moment and the Orioles are in 2nd place…too bad they can’t both lose.

  130. mick August 16th, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    the toilets at wrigley are like large bathtubs where men gather around and pee together…quite a scene, man.

  131. mick August 16th, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    fenway can be charming , was there for the 99 allstar game and mcgwire’s HR derby bombs but watching hamilton at the Stadium was better.

  132. blake August 16th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    s
    2m Kevin Goldstein Kevin Goldstein ?@Kevin_Goldstein

    And Brady would have gone a TON higher had the whole world not known he was going to play the inferior sport.
    Expand

    2m Kevin Goldstein Kevin Goldstein ?@Kevin_Goldstein

    Tom Brady had a lot of pro potential. 18th round pick in ’95 (Expos). RT @Sneakypete03: @Kevin_Goldstein would Brady have made a MLB team?

  133. blake August 16th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    Cubs, Starlin Castro Working On Long-Term Deal

    By Zach Links [August 16, 2012 at 8:23pm CST]

    The Cubs are working on a long-term deal with shortstop Starlin Castro, two industry sources told David Kaplan of CSNChicago.com.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com

  134. Pat M. August 16th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    mick…….That’s the way the stalls were at the old Stadium…..Urinal troffs

  135. jacksquat August 16th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    MTU August 16th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
    Joba is recovering from TJS.

    The last thing to come back is the command.

    Everyone keeps saying this.

    I don’t think it’s because of TJ specifically. Any time you don’t pitch for a long time the velocity and “stuff” is likely to come back before the command.

    I expect Joba will get his command back eventually. His pitches are looking pretty good otherwise.

  136. jacksquat August 16th, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    Bret The Hitman August 16th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
    I think with the added liability of losing a player for 50 games, Melky fell from a 4-5 year deal to a 3 year deal at best. But I think 1-2 years for Melky is selling him short

    He’s a one year, lowish salary, make good deal. No one knows how he is going to perform when he is off (hopefully) the juice, and there have been players that have been caught more than once. Some teams just won’t want him at any price, and that may include the Yankees. The only player they have knowingly signed post steroids/hgh was Pettitte, and he’s a very different case.

  137. mick August 16th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    Days Like This:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

  138. jmills August 16th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Hi guys – had a tough time at the Jays game

    Urinal stal$$ and all!

  139. RadioKev August 16th, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    http://kottke.org/12/08/the-li.....ports-fans

    Anyone see this Errol Morris short?

  140. jmills August 16th, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Mick – Geddy Lee and Sting are I that band!

  141. theREALkevin August 16th, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    Hanley Ramirez is not a proven cheater. His “baggage” is a world of difference away from Melky’s.

    Also, Granderson is SEVEN YEARS OLDER than Justin Upton. Upton is much better option going forward.

  142. mick August 16th, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0ltzkJCatM

  143. jmills August 16th, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    Mick – Van et la Police!!!

  144. UnKnown August 16th, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/....._blog.html

    “From the time I came back until I quit in 1989, I never missed a start in 13 years,” Tommy John continued. “Now, we were archaic back there, but here’s my take on the thing: There’s no guarantee [if] you shut him down. The Yankees screwed Joba Chamberlain over. I mean, this poor kid has had all kind of problems, and they had Joba Rules….It didn’t help him a bit. He still had to have Tommy John surgery.

    “So there’s no guarantee that you’re shutting Strasburg down, that he’s going to be healthy down the road,” Tommy John Tommy Johned. “You want him healthy. I understand that. He’s the franchise. But you know what? The golden ring only comes around on the merry go round maybe one time. There’s no guarantee that if you keep Strasburg out this year and keep him healthy for next year next, year next, year, that you’re gonna win.

    “You’ve got a chance to win now,” Tommy Tommy John, Tommy Tommy John said. “Now, I don’t say you trash the kid, but you pitch him. And maybe somewhere down the road you skip his turn, you give his arm a little rest. But if I were a fan of the Nationals, I would be SO upset. That I’ve got a chance to be in the playoffs, maybe be in the World Series, and you’re taking that away from me?

    “I wouldn’t buy my tickets next year. I would say hey, go do it yourself. I understand where [Rizzo’s] coming from, I understand that. But he’s not gonna get hurt. If he hasn’t been hurt this year, he’s not gonna get

    ———

    Awesome stuff from Tommy and I couldn’t agree more.

  145. jmills August 16th, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    Pitch Strasburg!!!

  146. Nick in SF August 16th, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    Of course Tommy John wants them to push Strasburg; he gets royalties every time another Tommy John surgery is performed.

  147. igotid88 August 16th, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    jackamir August 16th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
    I do think Hughes needs a change of scenery…
    —————–

    He has better numbers at home.

  148. igotid88 August 16th, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    Didn’t Strasburg throw a lot of innings in college?

  149. Nick in SF August 16th, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    Might he have even better numbers in a new home?

  150. Pat M. August 16th, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    I remember facing TJ in Vero Beach in his first season with The Dodgers……TJ had a sneaky heater back then but his bread and butter was this off the table sinker…..I remember moving up in the box and he buzzed my tower …..Steve Yeager was alot like the Crash Davis character in Bull Durham………Chatty guy much like Rick Dempsey was…….

  151. Pat M. August 16th, 2012 at 11:57 pm

    igotid88…..Tony Gywnn was real protective of Strass while he was at San Diego State……He did have some bouts with inflamation while there……However he was far from being over used or abused in anyway

  152. jmills August 17th, 2012 at 12:01 am

    Rick Dempsey – Steve Yeager – Munson rules!!!

  153. igotid88 August 17th, 2012 at 12:27 am

    MTU August 16th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
    Here’s my challenge.

    You have to delete one pitcher next season.

    Who will it be ?

    Hughes
    Nova
    Phelps
    —————————–

    That’s hard. You can’t really go by a few starts from Phelps ,to know if this is the the type of ptcher he will be. Is it because hitters haven’t seen enough of him yet? Nova has 3 or 4 pitches. Some good. But he still has worse overall numbers than Hughes. And with Hughes with all his setbacks with injuries and innings. I would like to see back to back full seasons. Not 1 season after limited innings. Followed by another short season. Followed again by a huge innings jump.

  154. UnKnown August 17th, 2012 at 12:38 am

    Hughes would get voted off that island if it were me.

  155. Pat M. August 17th, 2012 at 1:46 am

    Ivan Nova would be the one to leave as he has the least upside in the long run

  156. ron August 17th, 2012 at 2:21 am

    I think nova will be traded.
    Hughes won’t be too expensive to the point where the yankees have to trade him.

    I’d try to resign granderson,and cano,but if their demands are too much,i’d trade them both for 5 prospects/players,or at least 4.
    With 4 prospects in return,we can get a player for 3b,cf,2b,rf,maybe more,and i’d let romine catch.Martin gone.

    Don’t tell me cano,and granderson can’t return 2 elite prospects each,maybe more.

    I’d also continue to start phelps too get a good reading on how good of a starter he is,so maybe it allows me to trade hughes,or nova.

    Hughes has got to start throwing more changeups,and throwing his fb at different speeds,and heights.
    His fb is almost always middle,and up.
    He’s just not going to make it throwing 70-80 % fb,and his changeup 5-10 times a game.
    He needs a pitch for rh batters,instead of fb,curve onle.
    He is a 2 pitch pitcher against rh hitters wich he faces 75% of the time.

    Against lh hitters,he throws fb,curve,changeup.
    This is why rh hitters are hurting him more than lefties,wich is unusual for a rh pitcher.
    I’d like to see him develop a split,or sinker.
    Nova isn’t going to sniff a playoff game.
    Garcia,or phelps will before he does.

  157. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 7:09 am

    Morning.

    Thanks for opinionson the challenge guys.

    Pat M. -

    I do not necessarily agree that Nova has less of a future than Hughes.

    Phil still does not even have a viable 3rd pitch after trying for quite some time, and the curve still needs work.

    Ivan’s only real issue is his FB command which sometimes deserts him.

    In every other way his stuff is way better than Phil’s IMO.

    His ability to pitch backwards and with Men on also serve him well.

    His years of control also would add to his attractiveness.

    Fortunately we may not even have to face such a dilemma.

    If Pineda heals up well the issue becomes even more interesting.

    I posed this challenge mainly to elicit some comaprisons and in the event of a trade.

  158. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 7:13 am

    And though I really like what I see from Phelps so far he remains largely unproven.

    He is therefore a question mark at this point.

    Hughes, Nova, Phelps, and Pineda.

    Think all of them will stick ?

    Not likely IMO.

    We also have Warren and Banuelos in the wings.

  159. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 7:14 am

    I’m thinking one or more of those guys I listed above is gone in a trade at some point.

  160. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 7:18 am

    We’re going to need a 3B and SS in the not too distant future as well.

    Lot’s of strong-looking OF prospects : Williams, Austin, Flores, Santana, Almonte, Heathcott.

    I’d think one or 2 of them might pan out.

    Sanchez looks to be the C of the future but he’s still a long ways off.

    Martin needs to disappear in the OS.

  161. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 7:19 am

    OK. I’m done talkin’ to myself.

    :)

  162. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 7:27 am

    Martin gambled by not taking that 3/21 offer from the Yankees.

    He lost his bet.

    Not going to get anywhere near that now.

    At least not from the Yankees.

  163. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 7:31 am

    Alright Blake and YT.

    Stop hiding and come on out with your hands up.

    Or else.

    ;)

  164. 86w183 August 17th, 2012 at 7:37 am

    Morning MTU —- I’ll try to break up the monotony for you

  165. 86w183 August 17th, 2012 at 7:39 am

    Z. Almonte hit 2 HR yesterday and drove in 6…. he might be what the Yanks are looking for.

  166. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 7:40 am

    Thanks 86.

    Glad I could count on somebody.

    :)

  167. jacksquat August 17th, 2012 at 7:41 am

    Hughes would go, because he has only one year, rendering all else moot. After next year he is an expensive free agent. I don’t think he signs a really cheap contract now.

    Nova and Phelps only get traded if you get something else really good that you need, or you don’t believe in their abilities.

  168. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 7:43 am

    86-

    think Almonte gets a look in Sept. ?

    Jack-

    That’s roughly my take too. Hughes is getting more expensive by the day.

    That could be a deciding issue.

  169. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 7:45 am

    I feel certain the the Yankees will listen on Hughes in the OS unless he signs a team-friendly extension.

  170. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 7:51 am

    If the Yankees believe that Phelps can provide the same level of production as Hughes then he’s expendable.

    Can Phelps produce as a starter over the course of an entire season ?

  171. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    Wow.

    Even the early morning crowd is late today.

    Guess there are truly only 2 guarantees in life.

    :(

  172. BIG AL August 17th, 2012 at 8:00 am

    A.J Burnett, a true ACE. All it takes is getting out of NY.

    15-4, 3.54 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, .236 BAA

    Why can’t they do it in NY, or is the NL that much easier. If the NL is that much easier, then please do not sign any NL pitchers to play in NY.

  173. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 8:03 am

    Al-

    Morning.

    Does the name Hiroki Kuroda ring a bell ?

  174. GregD August 17th, 2012 at 8:03 am

    I struggle with the Yanks trading any starting pitchers no matter the contract situation…..injuries to pitchers happen so frequently….perhaps the Yanks could get another pitcher for Hughes but it doesn’t seem that a team would trade a pitcher the Yanks could use immediately

  175. BIG AL August 17th, 2012 at 8:04 am

    MTU -

    Good morning. Let’s pray Pineda comes back strong, Andy is great and re-signs, and Kuroda re-signs. Put Phelps in the rotation, and move Nova and Hughes for JU and another bat.

  176. GregD August 17th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    with the way injuries occur, the team needs to have about 8 pitchers who can start whether the extra three are in the bullpen or in AAA

  177. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Greg-

    What if trading one helped you to get a guy like Upton ?

    You wouldn’t even listen ?

  178. BIG AL August 17th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Mike -

    You got me on that one, but, he was a World pitcher before NL, lol.

  179. BIG AL August 17th, 2012 at 8:07 am

    Mike -

    I would listen, and turn the volume all the way up!

  180. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 8:07 am

    Al-

    Maybe we get lucky w Pineda and he’s the exception.

    The longterm prognosis for guys w shoulder injuries is not good.

  181. BIG AL August 17th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    Mike -

    I know, it ended my career. :)

  182. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    Al-

    Me too !

    In fact, I’d be likely to do it.

    ;)

  183. GregD August 17th, 2012 at 8:09 am

    MTU August 17th, 2012 at 8:05 am
    Greg-

    What if trading one helped you to get a guy like Upton ?

    You wouldn’t even listen ?
    ————————-
    of course I would listen….but it is clear that starting pitching is the most important factor in winning…..it improves your bullpen and good pitching always beats good pitching and covers up offensive flaws that your team has……the Yanks would not be in first place this year without the stretches of good starting pitching they have had………they could have had added Upton and their record would have been worse if the starting pitching wasn’t there

  184. blake August 17th, 2012 at 8:09 am

    “I feel certain the the Yankees will listen on Hughes in the OS unless he signs a team-friendly extension.”

    I wpuld approach both and and Granderson wih extension offers that I felt were very team friendly ……if they declined then Id shop them both.

    Its not because I dont like the players…..I love Grandy and I still believe Hughes can turn in to a nice starter…..but they can no longer afford to let players walk for nothing if they are going to stick to a budget…..

  185. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 8:09 am

    At last. We’ve got a live one.

    :)

  186. BIG AL August 17th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    Mike -

    I’d have to struggle to keep from jumping up and down, and singing.

  187. BIG AL August 17th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    A live one? Oh, Blake, lol.

  188. BIG AL August 17th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Good pitching beats good pitching. I guess so, but, I’d say great pitching will stop great hitting the majority of games.

    Remember Sandy Koufax?

  189. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Greg-

    I have always been a pitching first kinda guy.

    Make no mistake about that.

    My contention is that the Yankees need another bat sooner rather than later.

    Upton offers that.

    The Yankees have plenty of pitching options in CC, AP, Kuroda, Garcia,
    Phelps, Nova, warren, Hughes, Pineda, and Banuelos.

    All things considered I think they need the young OF bat more right now.

  190. Yankee Trader August 17th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    MTU-
    “sleepless” in Tampa & slowly working off iPhone!
    Here to evaluate Sanchez for immediate call to the bigs-just kidding
    Can’t really participate until later but am still enjoying your suggestions

  191. blake August 17th, 2012 at 8:16 am

    Top O the mornin to you all!

  192. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 8:16 am

    YT-

    AWOL.

    Not good.

    Looks like the brig for you.

    Run while you still can.

    :)

  193. GregD August 17th, 2012 at 8:17 am

    MTU—-

    I understand……….

    I respectively disagree that they have plenty of pitching options………..you can never have enough……..

  194. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 8:18 am

    Blake-

    Since you’re on the Irish theme this AM.

    Perhaps if we kiss the Blarney stone we’ll get Upton, or similar.

    :)

  195. BIG AL August 17th, 2012 at 8:18 am

    Mike -

    How about a RF that can not only hit, but play very good D?

    I’d offer Swisher $12M to be my 4th OF & DH, and go after JU. Hoping Gardner is OK next season for LF.

  196. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 8:20 am

    Greg-

    Gotcha ! I won’t cry if we decide to keep ‘em all.

    I just think the Yankees might have some options they can utilize if they so chose.

    That’s a good thing.

    ;)

  197. BIG AL August 17th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    Mike -

    How about JU in CF, Gardner in LF, Swisher in RF, and we move Grandy and 1 SP?

  198. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 8:22 am

    Al-

    I’m not sure I want to count on GGBG as an everyday OF’er anymore ?

    Swish would never take your deal.

    This will likely be his last big payday.

    His wife likes the life of luxury.

    :)

  199. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 8:23 am

    Al-

    I worry about a coupla things w. GGBG.

    His ability to stay healthy, and whether he can hit enough.

  200. GregD August 17th, 2012 at 8:24 am

    I do wish the Yankees could develop some outfield talent in their own system……I know they have talent in A ball but I have learned to not get too excited about those players until they show they can deliver at higher levels……we have had a number of prospects that have fizzled as they have risen in the farm system

  201. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 8:24 am

    Sorry. Gotta go soon.

    The Mops are gnawing on my leg.

  202. BIG AL August 17th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    Mike -

    Losing Swisher would not break my heart, IMO he’s not a good OF on D.

    I’m sure there are enough pieces in AAA to fill in, and JU in RF would be a big upgrade, IMO.

  203. Yankee Trader August 17th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    4 for 1 for Upton
    Gardner/Austin/Almonte+Nova/phelps+Nunez/Adams+Joba/Robertson/Montgomery

    Still want Upton?

  204. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 8:26 am

    The Yankees decided to load up on Pitching and C first.

    Makes sense to me go for the Platinum and Gold first.

    ;)

  205. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    YT-

    Depends on the 4.

    Al-

    I’m not sure how the Yankees will play it but you have to think that if JU is made available in the OS that they will be seriously interested.

  206. GregD August 17th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    4 for 1 for Upton
    Gardner/Austin/Almonte+Nova/phelps+Nunez/Adams+Joba/Robertson/Montgomery

    Still want Upton?

    —————————-

    too much for .276 career hitter………

  207. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 8:30 am

    Guys like JU rarely come along.

    Especially at his age.

    ;)

  208. BIG AL August 17th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    YT -

    Yes, Yes, Yes! The others would fill in for Gardner, if not healthy, and could be needed if we move Grandy. I never wanted to trade A-Jax, having followed his career with the Yankees, I so wanted him to be our next CF for 15 years. But, as we have gotten use to, the Yanks FO has little patience with young players.

  209. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 8:32 am

    Greg-

    Even if that was all Upton ever did, which I sincerely doubt, he’s likely to be better than any of the prospects we currently have at A.

    Keep the odds in mind, and remember Upton is only 24 and will be exposed to a great hitting coach in Long.

    He can, and likely will, go much higher IMO.

    ;)

  210. BIG AL August 17th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    First let me state I’ve always been a big fan of Hughes. At this point in time I feel both he and Nova are better suited to be stars in the NL West or Central, not with the Yankees (see A.J. Burnett).

  211. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    “as we have gotten use to, the Yanks FO has little patience with young players.”

    Generally true.

    :(

  212. GregD August 17th, 2012 at 8:36 am

    MTU—

    you may be right…..although I am not convinced…………….that is a lot of talent for someone who is producing at about the same level as Swisher

  213. BIG AL August 17th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    YT -

    Remember the “Killer B’s” and how they were going to be the future super star SP? We’ll be lucky if 1 of them becomes a #4 or #5 in 2 years.

  214. MTU August 17th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    Greg-

    There’s a way to find out.

    ;)

  215. GregD August 17th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    “as we have gotten use to, the Yanks FO has little patience with young players.”

    Generally true.

    ——————-

    it’s not just the front office…..Yankee fans would not have wanted to wait several years for Austin Jackson to develop either

  216. BIG AL August 17th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    GregD -

    Swisher will be on the down side, and JU has not yet gotten to his upside, big difference. And, JU players a much better D, has a far superior arm and speed, not even close.

  217. yanks61 August 17th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    BIG AL August 17th, 2012 at 8:13 am
    Good pitching beats good pitching. I guess so, but, I’d say great pitching will stop great hitting the majority of games.

    Remember Sandy Koufax?

    ————————————————

    Hi Big Al,

    Yeah, I mentioned the other day how he and the Big D (and Podres) stop a great Yankee lineup in 63. They did it again in 65. After losing the first two games, they shutdown a power packed Twins team, loowing only three runs in the final 5 games, including THREE shutouts, TWO by Sandy and one more by Osteen.

    the majority of the time, great pitching trumps great hitting.

    ———————————————————–

    “Mike -

    How about JU in CF, Gardner in LF, Swisher in RF, and we move Grandy and 1 SP?”

    Big Al, that’s what I’d like, too. But I’d put BG in CF and JU in LF. Either way, that’s neat outfield. See what you can get for Grandy.

  218. BIG AL August 17th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    “it’s not just the front office…..Yankee fans would not have wanted to wait several years for Austin Jackson to develop either”

    *********************************************************
    Some perhaps, but, A-Jax would have played 1 more season in AAA if he remained a Yankee, and today he’s a rising star that will be a superior CF to Grandy, and much less costly going forward. Some had said A-Jax would be lucky to become Grandy in the future, today after 3 seasons he’s already a better CF, just not as much power, yet.

  219. GregD August 17th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    Big Al

    I agree that JU would be upgrade over Swisher……… I disagree with the not even close comment……..especially when you consider the cost to get JU……….Upton is good but he is not the next coming of Mickey Mantle……….is he worth the money that we will have to pay him and all the prospects…..I am not sure he is………..now if we could sign him as a free agent………:)

  220. BIG AL August 17th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    yanks61 -

    Don’t laugh, but, if the Sux lose their CF to FA, they could be trading partners for Grandy. I’d have to take a close look at their Mil system.

  221. Yankee Trader August 17th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Remember Upton has a partial no trade includes the Yankees His agent will probably require a renegotiation of the contract if traded

  222. yanks61 August 17th, 2012 at 8:48 am

    “MTU August 17th, 2012 at 8:23 am
    Al-

    I worry about a coupla things w. GGBG.

    His ability to stay healthy, and whether he can hit enough.”

    —————————————————-

    MTU, a very legit concern if the Yanks went that route. If he’d stay in a backup role, would you think Ichiro would be a reasonable signing? I don’t know if he’d be happy with the amount of playing time. It’s only a short term solution to the OF situation of course.

  223. BIG AL August 17th, 2012 at 8:48 am

    YT -

    Players always have the Yankees on the NT list, so they can up the deal if traded, no big deal.

  224. yanks61 August 17th, 2012 at 8:50 am

    Big Al, not laughing at all. It’s happened before, as we all know. Just VERY rare. Who do you have in mind?

  225. BIG AL August 17th, 2012 at 8:50 am

    yanks61 -

    I’d vote no on Ichiro, his OBP is terrible, and he is in rapid decline.

  226. 86w183 August 17th, 2012 at 8:52 am

    Yanks and Bosawx aint making any deals.

    There’s nothing wrong with a trade that benefits all teams. The Granderson trade did exactly that for the three teams, but since the Yanks got the most proven performer and gave up prime younger talent it looks better for the other teams looking back.

    Yanks were not going to go into 2010 with two young OF in Gardner and AJax.

  227. blake August 17th, 2012 at 8:52 am

    If I were Hughes’s agent Id be praying he geta traded to ghr NL west…..you put him in that division and in those parks wherr he can throw fly balls and they not end up in the seats then I think hed take off and probably get a nice multiyear contract after 2013.

    I think he coukd still be a good starter for thr Yanks……but the division and the ballparks in the division arent really the best fit for him.

  228. BIG AL August 17th, 2012 at 8:52 am

    yanks61 -

    Not sure, like I said, it would take time to see what they have in their system.

    Maybe they have some talent in either AAA or AA worth a look.

  229. Yankee Trader August 17th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    AL

    It could be if the next contract effects their ability to stay under the luxury tax cap for 2014

  230. BIG AL August 17th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    blake -

    A.J. Burnett – Super Star in the NL, that about says it all, lol.

  231. blake August 17th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    Ichiro is hitting .348 in August……some that is that I think he is playing better….and some of it is probably that Joe has started platooning him more.

  232. Yankee Trader August 17th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    Z Almonte-on fire AA might make the bigs sooner than later

  233. 86w183 August 17th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    Hey Blake… I’ve said the same things about Hughes.

    He could be the centerpiece of a Justin Upton package. They need a lead off guy, so you start with Gardner and Hughes… what else would it take?

  234. BIG AL August 17th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    blake -

    Maybe Ichiro just didn’t want to play any longer for the M’s, he agreed to everything the Yanks asked for, just to get out of town.

  235. blake August 17th, 2012 at 8:58 am

    “A.J. Burnett – Super Star in the NL, that about says it all, lol.”

    Personally I thnk thats more just about AJ getting a fresh start than the difference in the leagues…..though Im sure the NL.central is helping some……thr Yanks tinkered with AJ so much to try to fix him that he just didnt know which end was up after awhile.

    Sometimes taking a step back and starting over totally with new people does help…….plus I think AJ is viewed as a leader in that clubhouse and always a project that needed repair for the Yanks…….my guess is that hes just in a much better place mentally now……

    I wish AJ well…..I hope he wins 20 games.

  236. 86w183 August 17th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    I’ve watched AJ pitch about six times this season.

    The biggest difference is he’s throwing a high percentage of curve balls for strikes, forcing hitters to swing. With the Yanks it seemed like he bounced at least half of them.

  237. 86w183 August 17th, 2012 at 9:01 am

    Big Al —-

    Lets hope King Felix follows Ichiro’s lead this off-season!

  238. Yankee Trader August 17th, 2012 at 9:01 am

    2015 NYY OF

    Z Almonte LF
    Austin RF
    Williams CF
    Take your pick for 4th OFer

  239. BIG AL August 17th, 2012 at 9:02 am

    blake -

    At 15-4 AJ has been their stopper, and Ace. His numbers could get him some CY votes. He won’t win the CY, but, getting consideration is always nice.

  240. GregD August 17th, 2012 at 9:02 am

    Yankee Trader August 17th, 2012 at 9:01 am
    2015 NYY OF

    Z Almonte LF
    Austin RF
    Williams CF
    Take your pick for 4th OFer

    ———————

    The Yanks would fix their luxury tax issues with that outfield….that’s for sure

  241. Yankee Trader August 17th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    If Towers keeps Upton what about Cargo?

  242. BIG AL August 17th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    86w183 -

    Felix wants to stay where he is. I don’t thing he wants to pitch in a big city like NY, and has stated his family love Seattle and he wanted to play out his career there. Perhaps playing in NY, and the AL East would take it’s toll on him and his talent, its happened before.

  243. yanks61 August 17th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    GregD August 17th, 2012 at 9:02 am
    Yankee Trader August 17th, 2012 at 9:01 am
    2015 NYY OF

    Z Almonte LF
    Austin RF
    Williams CF
    Take your pick for 4th OFer

    ———————

    The Yanks would fix their luxury tax issues with that outfield….that’s for sure

    —————————————————————–

    Where do I sign up for that?

    I guess if we don’t see the Yanks make any drastic moves for an OF this OS, then that might very well be what they’re shooting for. The next couple of years are certainly going to be interesting.

    Have a great day everyone.

  244. blake August 17th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    new thread….

  245. blake August 17th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    “If Towers keeps Upton what about Cargo?”

    like as much or more in YS….but the Rockies would have to agree to trade him.

  246. 86w183 August 17th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    Cargo would be awesome in Yankee Stadium.

    Colorado would probably prefer Nova to Hughes, but I’m okay with that.

    I also like BJ Upton more than most. Sign him, trade Granderson to the Giants for young talent, make the Justin Upton trade and if Gardner is healthy you have one of the best defensive outfields ever.

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