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Yankees postgame: Home runs galore; Hughes makes a change

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Aug 18, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees hit five homers in this 6-4 win over the Red Sox, all solo shots. The homer total tied a season high, and not coincidently the previous time also came against Boston pitching.

“Yeah, the home runs, that’s the way they live and they had a whole bunch of them tonight,” Bobby Valentine said after the Sox fell 13 1/2 games behind the Yankees.

This time, they did it with Mark Teixeira sitting out with his inflamed left wrist.

“I feel like we’re playing pretty well with a lot of our big bombers not in the lineup,” Nick Swisher said. “I think it’s a testament to this team’s resiliency.”

Swisher hit one from each side of the plate, the 12th time that has happened for him in a game. Only Teixeira is ahead of him on the all-time list, with 13. Swisher now has four homers in his last five games, giving him 18 for the season. He also has at least one RBI and one run scored in his last six games, which is a career high.

“It just so happens I’m hot right now,” Swisher said. “I felt I picked something up a week ago. … It’s rare you feel good from both sides of the plate at the same time.”

Derek Jeter hit No. 10 on the season/career No. 250, so the Yankees now have 10 players with at least 10 homers, a major-league high. And it ties the franchise record established in 1998.

Phil Hughes threw away a potential double-play ball in the third thanks to a bad grip or he would’ve had seven shutout innings. The four runs in that inning were unearned. But Hughes only gave up four hits in all and is now tied with CC Sabathia for the team lead in wins with 12.

Hughes used his changeup a lot more, especially to righties.

“It was more just being stubborn before,” Hughes said.

“It’s something we’re probably going to use from here on out,” Russell Martin said.

Rafael Soriano’s great season continues. He picked up save No. 30 in 32 tries, so he’s the seventh Yankee to post 30 saves dating to 1969 when the modern save rule came into existence.

The Yankees have won eight of 10. Saturday’s pitching matchup will feature David Phelps and Jon Lester.

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243 Responses to “Yankees postgame: Home runs galore; Hughes makes a change”

  1. j9d August 18th, 2012 at 12:18 am

    I have watched pretty much every single game this season but because of family vacations and other obligations I have seen few games over the last three weeks and only two games in the last week. I recorded tonight’s game but it just feels weird not watching in real time. Luckily I have you crazy kids to keep me informed. I always have time to check in yo yhe blog for a few minutes.

  2. igotid88 August 18th, 2012 at 12:21 am

    If Pettitte does come back. I will probably keep Phelps in the rotation. Especially if you want to try him out as a starter. There’s probably 7 or 8 more starts. Minimum of 5ip that’s 35-40 inn. That’s 110-115 including minor league this year. Plus whatever he’s going to throw in the post season. And he should be okay as the 5th starter next season. I would keep Hughes in because he needs the innings. I want to see him get to 185-190 Nova has pitched over 180inn the last few years so I think it’ll be okay.

  3. blake August 18th, 2012 at 12:21 am

    Nice outing by Hughes….slippery ball there that one inning or Boston may not have scored at all. Hooray home runs!

    Yanks won this game with a bunch of bench guys in the lineup….nice start to the series.

  4. jackamir August 18th, 2012 at 12:29 am

    Hughes showed me some maturation this evening. He pitched with a plan that was different than what he was used to..He had a near tragic inning and put it in his head that he would not be rattled. That is maturity, brother……

  5. rb from LI August 18th, 2012 at 12:31 am

    Hooray home runs is right! Love that they Yanks smacked 4 off this guy in 2 games. :)

    That being said, I’m happy the team has had more success hitting with RISP.

  6. LGY August 18th, 2012 at 12:38 am

    igotid88 says: August 18, 2012 at 12:29 am LGY August 18th, 2012 at 12:13 am Hughes has a 295 BABIP this season.

    What suggests he’s been unlucky on balls in play?————————————

    By how the hits came about. Like infield singles, bloop hits, bleeders through the infielders. Batters reaching out on a pitch a foot outside. A batter getting fooled on a pitch but still manages to poke it past the fielders. There was hit against the shift earlier this year. And if you watch every game. The announcers would say it. Some would post it on here. I’m not talking about the home runs or doubles off the wall or hard hit singles

    ———-

    This is just confirmation bias.

    There is nothing in Hughes’ batted ball profile that suggests he’s been unlucky.

  7. Tar August 18th, 2012 at 12:44 am

    “This is just confirmation bias.

    There is nothing in Hughes’ batted ball profile that suggests he’s been unlucky.”

    This is just conformation of your bias.

    There is also nothing in Hughes batted ball profile to suggest he’s been lucky.

    :D

    Goodnight Yankee fans

  8. igotid88 August 18th, 2012 at 1:00 am

    LGY August 18th, 2012 at 12:38 am
    igotid88 says: August 18, 2012 at 12:29 am LGY August 18th, 2012 at 12:13 am Hughes has a 295 BABIP this season.

    What suggests he’s been unlucky on balls in play?————————————

    By how the hits came about. Like infield singles, bloop hits, bleeders through the infielders. Batters reaching out on a pitch a foot outside. A batter getting fooled on a pitch but still manages to poke it past the fielders. There was hit against the shift earlier this year. And if you watch every game. The announcers would say it. Some would post it on here. I’m not talking about the home runs or doubles off the wall or hard hit singles

    ———-

    This is just confirmation bias.

    There is nothing in Hughes’ batted ball profile that suggests he’s been unlucky.
    ——————-

    I’m going by what I see. Bloop hit looks like a line drive in the boxscore. It doesn’t tell you that the outfielder gave up on the ball too soon, or that the infielder didn’t hustle for the ball, or that the ball just went under his glove. It doesn’t tell you that you made your pitch and fooled the batter. But he still managed to get a hit. For example there are plays where Cano would go all the way to the shortstop side of the bag and throw the guy out. And there are times when balls get past him and you’re wondering why?

  9. igotid88 August 18th, 2012 at 1:03 am

    For the most part those hits don’t hurt him as much in the e.r.a but it does in pitch count and prolonging the inning.

  10. igotid88 August 18th, 2012 at 1:10 am

    An asterisk on this but Hughes has given up 2er or less in 14 starts this year. But 2 of those he gave up 6 runs and 4. And another he didn’t get to the 5th.

  11. igotid88 August 18th, 2012 at 1:18 am

    So 14 of his 24 starts he gave his team a chance to win. 11 out of 24 if you want to be technical. He’s 10- 3 with 1 no decision. 1.91 era

  12. igotid88 August 18th, 2012 at 1:21 am

    16 with 3 er or less.

  13. LGY August 18th, 2012 at 1:22 am

    That’s baseball. Not every hit is a smoked line drive and you can’t write off every groundball that goes through a hole as lucky.

    Do you track everytime Hughes misses his spot but gets ”lucky” because the batter doesn’t capitalize?

    That’s why it’s confirmation bias. You are seeing what you want to see because of your affinity for Hughes and fail to consider the entire spectrum.

  14. igotid88 August 18th, 2012 at 1:42 am

    LGY August 18th, 2012 at 1:22 am
    That’s baseball. Not every hit is a smoked line drive and you can’t write off every groundball that goes through a hole as lucky.

    Do you track everytime Hughes misses his spot but gets ”lucky” because the batter doesn’t capitalize?

    That’s why it’s confirmation bias. You are seeing what you want to see because of your affinity for Hughes and fail to consider the entire spectrum.
    ———————-

    More often than not the batter capitalizes. He threw a pitch over Vernon Wells head and it was hit for a home run. I’m not saying it’s 100% one way. Just more often than not. And are you asking if he misses his spot in the middle or way in or outside? He usually hits his spots hence the low walks. He’s also not getting many bad swings at pitches out of the zone. Like Martin’s last at bat. He would be 0-2 and then they’ll setup outside and the batter won’t swing.

  15. igotid88 August 18th, 2012 at 1:52 am

    Ultimately it’s the homeruns that’s hurting him. If you take out at least 8 solo shots his e.r.a. is 3.73 and he probably has 2 extra wins.

  16. jacksquat August 18th, 2012 at 1:55 am

    If a home run occurs after rwo outs when there has been an error, does it exist?

    To some people I guess not. :)

    If the pitcher makes an error, should the defense sit down after two outs and tell the pitcher to get a strikeout for the third out because they did their job? Of course not. And after an error the pitcher needs to continue pitching. He should continue to be responsible for his pitching, even if not in the boxscore.

  17. jacksquat August 18th, 2012 at 2:10 am

    igotid88 August 18th, 2012 at 1:52 am
    Ultimately it’s the homeruns that’s hurting him. If you take out at least 8 solo shots his e.r.a. is 3.73 and he probably has 2 extra wins.

    If you subtracted one not strong enough elbow and added a few mph, I could have been a major league pitcher. :D

  18. igotid88 August 18th, 2012 at 2:34 am

    jacksquat August 18th, 2012 at 2:10 am
    igotid88 August 18th, 2012 at 1:52 am
    Ultimately it’s the homeruns that’s hurting him. If you take out at least 8 solo shots his e.r.a. is 3.73 and he probably has 2 extra wins.

    If you subtracted one not strong enough elbow and added a few mph, I could have been a major league pitcher.
    ——-

    I wish I had done more to play. I had good speed and good power. Just no athleticism.

  19. ron August 18th, 2012 at 4:05 am

    What was hurting hughes was his refusal to throw anything other than a fb.
    He tries to pinpoint his fb to a specific location thinking that he can get away with it.

    He was a good pitcher,but simply not quite good enough.
    Now him,and or martin saying that stubbornness prevented him from throwing his changeup more,and that won’t be the case going forward,combined with the fact that if not for a throwing error,hughes would have thrown 7 shutout innings against one of the top 3 offenses in baseball,is very interesting,especially with hughes throwing more changeups,and throwing them to righties.

  20. igotid88 August 18th, 2012 at 4:23 am

    ron August 18th, 2012 at 4:05 am
    What was hurting hughes was his refusal to throw anything other than a fb.
    He tries to pinpoint his fb to a specific location thinking that he can get away with it.

    He was a good pitcher,but simply not quite good enough.
    Now him,and or martin saying that stubbornness prevented him from throwing his changeup more,and that won’t be the case going forward,combined with the fact that if not for a throwing error,hughes would have thrown 7 shutout innings against one of the top 3 offenses in baseball,is very interesting,especially with hughes throwing more changeups,and throwing them to righties.
    ——————————-

    I could be wrong. But wasn’t he throwing it more with Stewart? At some point shouldn’t Martin go out to the mound and say something?

  21. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 6:02 am

    My question to Hughes is : Why would you be stubborn about using a pitch that you clearly need to be successful ?

    Duh.

    If God wanted you to be a Mule he simply would have made you one.

    ;)

  22. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 6:04 am

    Sounds a little like the crap we heard from AJ.

    And by the way, from what I saw Burnett had a pretty damn good CU.

  23. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 6:14 am

    I thought Hughes was supposed to have a high pitching IQ ?

    He’s not some 20 year old rookie anymore.

  24. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 6:18 am

    You will never reach your ceiling (got it right this time Mick) w/o an effective 3rd pitch Phil.

    From here on out you’d better make sure you’re a lot less stubborn.

    If that was the only reason you weren’t using you’re CU I’d say that was a pretty lame as* excuse.

  25. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 6:19 am

    OK. I feel better now.

    :)

  26. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 6:20 am

    One last thing.

    Now I see why Hughes never bothered to learn Mr. Splitty.

    ;)

  27. RadioKev August 18th, 2012 at 6:37 am

    Hughes put a rough inning behind him, and gave us some length. Good to see.

    Time to sweep these guys out of town :)

    Good morning all.

  28. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 6:40 am

    Kev-

    Phelps handled Texas last time out.

    His pitch count will be raised for today’s game.

    Let’s see if if he can go deeper and continue to perform well.

    If he does succeed against a tough hitting Sux lineup I wonder what the next move will be ?

  29. RadioKev August 18th, 2012 at 6:46 am

    MTU,

    I think Phelps should still go back to the pen, despite how good of a job he’s done so far.

    The Chief should be in the rotation because that’s where we’ll get the most value out of him. The only pitcher in danger of losing their spot is Nova, and even that seems unlikely. If Derek Lowe is an adequate long man, we should push Phelps into higher leverage situations.

  30. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 6:48 am

    Perhaps the Sux didn’t get the memo but they are a laughing stock, or worse. Irrelevant.

    :)

  31. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 6:51 am

    Kev-

    Unfortunately there does not seem to be a spot in the Ro for Phelps this season.

    He needs to visit the DR in the Winter to build his inning up if he is eligible.

    He absolutely should be given a real opportunity to compete for a spot in the Ro next season, or he should be moved for something else the Yankees need.

  32. RadioKev August 18th, 2012 at 6:57 am

    Yeah MTU. He’s got a nice skillset, toughness, and your favorite, pitching IQ.

  33. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 7:01 am

    When the rosters expand which is soon who would you like to see get a cup of coffee ?

    Who can help the team in Sept. or deserves the reward ?

  34. GregD August 18th, 2012 at 7:03 am

    The bottom line is that the Yankees will be better with Phelps in the bullpen and Garcia starting. At least for this season.

  35. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 7:04 am

    Almonte
    Nunez
    Montgomery

  36. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 7:06 am

    Greg-

    Probably true but that kinda depends on how Freddy, Nova, and Hughes do the rest of the way.

    I agree though that Phelps probably just returns to the Pen when CC comes back.

  37. GregD August 18th, 2012 at 7:06 am

    Montgomery is not on the 40 man. He will not be up in September

  38. GregD August 18th, 2012 at 7:08 am

    MTU

    It’s a nice problem to have. Phelps can be very important in Sept and Oct

  39. GregD August 18th, 2012 at 7:08 am

    MTU

    It’s a nice problem to have. Phelps can be very important in Sept and Oct.

  40. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 7:09 am

    Maybe they spot start Phelps to help any guys who get tired arms ?

    Give ‘em a blow and freshen them up for the stretch run.

    Skip a start for those who need it.

  41. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 7:10 am

    The depth and versatilty the Yankees have served them well this season.

    :)

  42. GregD August 18th, 2012 at 7:11 am

    MTU August 18th, 2012 at 7:09 am
    Maybe they spot start Phelps to help any guys who get tired arms ?

    Give ‘em a blow and freshen them up for the stretch run.

    Skip a start for those who need it.

    ———————
    That’s a good idea……..maybe Nova would benefit

  43. RadioKev August 18th, 2012 at 7:14 am

    Being somewhat of a youngin, this is easily the deepest Yankee team I’ve followed. It’s not even close.

    How about the Jayson Nix pick up? He’s doing such a nice job.

    I’d love to see Montgomery called up, but I can’t imagine it happening at this point. We’d need some desperate bullpen help to get to that point.

  44. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 7:14 am

    Greg-

    Kuroda has been great but he’s in his late 30′s.

    I think they all could benefit from at least 1 or 2 skipped starts between now and the season’s end.

    Phelps might be the perfect sub.

    Gives him a chance to build his innings and continue to gain experience starting.

  45. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 7:15 am

    Kev-

    I hope Nix returns. I like him.

  46. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 7:17 am

    In fact I like Nix enough that maybe he makes Nunez expendable ?

    I know he’s not great at SS but is Nunez ?

  47. RadioKev August 18th, 2012 at 7:19 am

    Phelps is a perfect reason why you need to take all prospect with a lot of salt. Sometimes you just never know which guys are going to make it and which guys will flop.

    Meanwhile, looks like DJ Mitchell is doing decently for the Mariner’s AAA. Still glad we gave him up for Ichiro…

  48. RadioKev August 18th, 2012 at 7:21 am

    MTU,

    I think Nunez might still have the better bat. Seems like he has better tools, but Nix is a capable utility guy. Nunez is…slightly less capable.

    That was a great at bat last night. I was sitting there with my bud crying for Nix to sit on the slider. He was thinking the same :)

  49. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 7:25 am

    Kev-

    I think the Yankees are still high on Nunez but Nix might give them the option of considering moving Nunez if he were requested in a trade.

    Guys like him and Chavez have been great pick ups.

  50. RadioKev August 18th, 2012 at 7:25 am

    I also had a funny feeling in spring training that one of Phelps/Warren/Mitchell could turn out better than Banuelos or Betances. They’re closer to a finished products than those two.

    Betances gave up 7Rs in 4IP. If I’m the Yankees I’m pressing the panic button. We’re just about at the make or break point with this guy.

  51. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 7:28 am

    Kev-

    I know a lot of people here were big supporters of Betances.

    I never was. The raw stuff was superior but I always worried about his ability to command it. I still do.

    IMO Banuelos still has huge potential. He just needs to stay healthy and continue to log innings. He’s very young.

    I don’t think the Yankees want to trade him.

  52. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 7:34 am

    The Yankees have loads of pitching on the way.

    Guy’s like Marshall, Campos, Ramirez, and DePaula all have potential in back of Pineda, Warren, Betances, and Man-Ban.

    IMO the Yankees can afford to part w. a pitcher in the right trade.

  53. RadioKev August 18th, 2012 at 7:34 am

    Oh yeah, you don’t want to trade Banuelos at this point. Still way too young. However, if the right package comes along *cough* Justin Upton *cough* you gotta pull the trigger.

    I can’t pretend to have seen any of the young guys in person, I just saw the box scores stats and scouting reports. Raw stuff is great and all, but so much of baseball is easier said than done. It’s difficult to find control, to repeat your mechanics. So many of these young guys just don’t put it together and end up bouncing around the league or in bullpens. Sadly Betances looks like one of those guys.

    I really don’t think he’ll find success in our system. He needs a new coach, new approach, new something. It’s just not working with us. These things happen in life.

  54. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 7:36 am

    Kev-

    If the D’Backs demanded Banuelos for Upton I would not hesistate for a moment.

  55. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 7:36 am

    Well. Maybe for a moment.

    ;)

  56. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 7:39 am

    Hughes might like Arizona.

    Nice climate and it’s a lot closer to home for him.

    NL lineups are easier to navigate too.

    :)

  57. RadioKev August 18th, 2012 at 7:41 am

    Justin Upton is about the only guy I’d trade Hughes for. I’m skeptical Hughes will cost that much to resign. I think he owes us a bit of a discount ;)

  58. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 7:42 am

    Then again Nova might like Miami.

    Lot closer to the DR.

    And NL lineups are easier to navigate.

  59. blake August 18th, 2012 at 7:44 am

    Ive been saying for awhile that I thought Hughes’s CU was good enough now to use……his reverse split supports that as he had been ising it a lot vs leftjes and basically was a 2 pitch guy vs righties ……last night he used it a lot…..had to be the mlst hes ever thrown in a game….threw it to righties more and it really helped.

    Really nice effort by him to put that bad throw to 2nd behijd him and just lock it down after that and let the offense win the game……Hughes is trending up despite the two bumps in the road from his last two starts…..difficult decision coming on him this winter

    How about Nick Swisher stepping up….how about the bench steppiing up…..nice to see.

    Sox are on life support……..lets pull the plug today.

  60. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 7:44 am

    Kev-

    I’m perfectly content to let it all unfold and see how the Yankees handle things.

    It is fun to speculate though.

    :)

  61. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 7:46 am

    Blake-

    The Sux are a walking corpse.

    It will be interesting to see how things unfold for Phil.

    He is definitely going to get more expensive soon.

  62. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 7:48 am

    It’s hysterical to hear Booby V call the Sux a Playoff team.

    Delusional much Bobby.

    Really ?

    Too funny.

    :)

  63. RadioKev August 18th, 2012 at 7:48 am

    Really nice effort by him to put that bad throw to 2nd behijd him and just lock it down after that and let the offense win the game……Hughes is trending up despite the two bumps in the road from his last two starts…..difficult decision coming on him this winter

    How about Nick Swisher stepping up….how about the bench steppiing up…..nice to see.
    ————-

    Hughes might just be a guy who’s just really bad when he’s bad. He’s probably the strangest fastball pitcher I’ve ever seen. It’s not easy to square up, but it also doesn’t miss enough bats. If only he was juicing…maybe then he’d be comprable to Clemens.

    Gotta love Swisher. He’s good enough to carry them team, that’s what I’ve always liked about him. He’s mostly a complimentary guy, but when he’s on, he’s a difference maker.

  64. Yankee Trader August 18th, 2012 at 7:49 am

    Good morning all

    MTU-
    i’d be hesitant to trade Banuelos. How many good lefty starters do the Yankees have in their minors?

  65. RadioKev August 18th, 2012 at 7:50 am

    I’m not sure how you’d come up with these stats, but are Lester and Beckett having the worst season ever for a 1&2 “Ace” combo? Lester’s collapse is particularly stunning.

  66. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 7:51 am

    Swisher has put up remarkably consistent #’s since coming over.

    Like a lot of guys he tends to be streaky.

    If he loves being a Yankee as much as it appears he does then he’ll adjust his salary demands accordingly.

    If not he’ll price himself out of a job he claims to really dig.

    We’ll see how it goes.

  67. Yankee Trader August 18th, 2012 at 7:52 am

    Tex-Hope he does not have recurrent issues with the wrist. Probably should have been on the DL initially. Noticed CC was not wearing an elbow wrap last night,

  68. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 7:53 am

    YT-

    Hesistant is one thing but you wouldn’t give up Banuelos to get Upton ?

    I would.

    After 2015 they can just buy another one.

    Having 2 lefties is nice but not essential.

  69. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 7:55 am

    You know what Kev.

    If I could get my hands on Lester I’d take him in a NY minute.

    He needs a change of scenery and is still very talented.

  70. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    I want to steal Price from the Rays.

    He’ll get expensive in FA, and besides he’s NJ kid.

    :)

  71. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 7:58 am

    I gotta grab somethin’ to eat.

    All this trade talk is makin’ me hungry.

  72. RadioKev August 18th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    I’d much rather have Price than Lester ;)

    Lester’s got some make up concern right now. What the heck is his problem? I know baseball common sense says it’s just a down season, but I just can’t help but wonder if there’s something more to it.

  73. Cashmoney August 18th, 2012 at 8:01 am

    upton home/away numbers concerns me… rather pedestrian. he has talent, but he might be also a bit overrated. in the end, if the price is right, sure.

  74. Yankee Trader August 18th, 2012 at 8:01 am

    MTU-

    Does Upton even have double digit homers yet? I like having 2 lefties in the rotation in the 81 games played in YS.

  75. Cashmoney August 18th, 2012 at 8:04 am

    good point, YT. though Young and talented… i also wonder if something is up. Injuries? Roids? who knows. but his numbers this year has been extrordinarily ordinary.

  76. MG August 18th, 2012 at 8:04 am

    MTU August 18th, 2012 at 7:17 am
    In fact I like Nix enough that maybe he makes Nunez expendable ?

    I know he’s not great at SS but is Nunez ?
    ——————————-
    Nix makes all the routine plays at SS plus knows how to play the game-the little things that get lost in this era of bs statistics.

    Nunez has more flash, speed and power but butchers routine plays way too often,.

    Give me Nix any day of the week at the backup on this team…

  77. RadioKev August 18th, 2012 at 8:04 am

    Yankee Trader August 18th, 2012 at 8:01 am
    MTU-

    Does Upton even have double digit homers yet? I like having 2 lefties in the rotation in the 81 games played in YS.
    ————-

    It’s just a matter of value. Potential Super Star for Prospects.

  78. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 8:06 am

    YT-

    Look back at Upton’s HR production.

    He’s 24 and is a 5 tool player.

    Needs a change of scenery.

    Guys like him rarely come along at that age.

    I like having extra lefties at NYS but I like having a guy w Upton’s potential even more.

  79. Yankee Trader August 18th, 2012 at 8:09 am

    Also how good a fielder is Upton?
    When I last checked he had as many errors as assists in RF?
    Who is Swisher competing with fornFA OF dollars this offseason now that Cabrera won’t be seeing them? Corey Hart, Josh Hamilton? Anyone else that might get a pretty good contract?

  80. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    Upton sucks. Forget him.

    Ya’ happy now YT.

    :)

  81. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    Next you’ll tell me Stanton sucks because he has a funny first name.

    ;)

  82. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Remember Holliday couldn’t hit away from Coors.

    He sucked too.

    :)

  83. Yankee Trader August 18th, 2012 at 8:17 am

    MTU-
    Realistically do you think Towers would want to even take a chance on a pitcher, Banuelos, without seeingnifnhe is elbow ready to pitch.

    I think he would want major league ready or very near ready players.

    Think somemcombomofmPhelps/Robertson, Nunez/Adams, Austin/An Almonte, Joba/Montgomery

    If it does require a big haul
    Would Cargo be more valuable going forward,?

  84. blake August 18th, 2012 at 8:17 am

    People laughed at me when I said Nix was a better utility guy than Nunez…..

    Upton should a priority this winter if hes available.

    Yes David Price will look very good in pinstripes ……special special arm and a good dude…..

  85. RadioKev August 18th, 2012 at 8:18 am

    Derek Jeter is so overrated

    https://twitter.com/TheFix/status/236758545155104769

  86. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 8:18 am

    YT-

    I’ll make ya’ a deal.

    I’ll stick to hiking and Photgraphy if you’ll stick to stats.

    We’ll let Blake make all the trades.

    Whaddya’ say ?

    :)

  87. blake August 18th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    “If it does require a big haul Would Cargo be more valuable going forward,?”

    CarGo is better now…..but hes older and is a little more expensive …..id take him too but there is no indication he will be available

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    YT-

    You might have a point.

    If that’s what Towers wants then let’s consider it.

    Cargo would be fantastic too.

    Have him drop shipped to NYC tomorrow Fedex.

  89. jmills August 18th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    Quite a professional season out of your guys and ,……yeah, Jeter is overrated all the way back to ‘ 96. :)

  90. MG August 18th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    speaking of bs statistics, I rarely, if even look at any of them but read an article about ‘fip’ related to pitching.

    Somehow, this stat attempts to rate pitching based on the use of only 3 indicators-walks, strikeouts and HRs allowed.

    Then there is xFIP, which takes these numbers and adjusts the HR total based on the league average of fly balls to HR ratio to calculate the number of HRs a pitcher ‘should have allowed’. I guess that tries to adjust the total for the ballpark. Another worthless calculation.

    You have to be kidding, right? According to the stat geeks, nothing else matters about a pitcher.

    Give me old fashioned pitcher evaluation anytime-at the end of the day, the number of runs you allow and the number of wins relative to losses is the only thing I care about. A pitcher with a 6 run lead can give up 2 solo HRs in the 8th inning and I could care less while FIP would be making it the same as giving up the tying and go behind HR in a close game, as if pitchers never change their approach based on the game score.
    What a bunch of crap.

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    MTU-

    Excuse my lousy typing. Still in Tampa now using my wife’s IPad.

    If the Price Is Right, by all means go get J. Upton

  92. blake August 18th, 2012 at 8:23 am

    Jeter isnt a living legend……hes a playing legend.

  93. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 8:23 am

    Blake-

    YT provides the Stats.

    I provide the training and team photos.

    You get to make the trades.

    Sound acceptable ?

    P.S. GB does the scouting when he returns.

    Cashman continues to dumpster dive and rappell.

    :)

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    MG,

    Uh…. FIP is a pretty good peripherial stat, actually. It shows you another side of what your pitcher is actually doing. It’s pretty standard too.

  95. MTU August 18th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    No problem YT.

    Enjoy the Sun and OJ.

    :)

    Time to walk the Mops.

  96. Cashmoney August 18th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    cargo’s home/away splits are terrible. holliday happens to be a fine hitter and is an example sometimes these numbers can be deceiving. but there also plenty hitters who are pure products of coors field and never panned out when they move elsewhere.

  97. Yankee Trader August 18th, 2012 at 8:28 am

    MTU-

    Me stick to stats? Not a good choice. You’d want someone like Jerkface?
    I’ll stick to researching player injuries and treatments.

    As for trades can any of us really keep within a budget?
    Team GREEDY, the lot of us :)

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    I dont think FIP is anything conclusive but it does have some value…..what its good for to me is to give you an indication if an unproven guy might be pitchijg over their heads or on the other hand having bad luck…..its something else to look at…..if the Era and FIP match up then chances are (not for sure) its for real.

    Say a guy has a low ERA one year but a much higher FIP…..then you are maybe cautious that its real and look to see if a correction comes the next years ……

    I dont think any of these things are meant to be the end all ne all……its just information.

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    I don’t follow these new fangled stats but did read that Dave Stieb had the best WAR in the ’80s whatever that means – to me he was the best hard luck pitcher

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    MTU,

    I think you and I should just be in charge of food and entertainment :)

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    I dont think any of these things are meant to be the end all ne all……its just information.
    ————–

    Yeah, there are guys who consistently outperform their peripherals for whatever reason. Matt Cain, for example. I like FIP because it’s pretty simple. It just shows you the true pitching outcomes without the random element of fielding.

  102. RadioKev August 18th, 2012 at 8:36 am

    Also, about that Willie Mays stat, A-Rod will be with those two soon enough (you’d like to think…)

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  104. Yankee Trader August 18th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    Cash-
    I just looked up Cargos splits. Much worse this year than in the three years preceding, but still not very good.

    Any other young OF’ers that might be available thru trade in the offseason?

  105. MG August 18th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    blake August 18th, 2012 at 8:23 am
    Jeter isnt a living legend……hes a playing legend.
    ——————————–
    blake, wasn’t Jeter finished about a year and a half ago according to so many on this blog?

  106. RadioKev August 18th, 2012 at 8:44 am

    I loved Sam Borden’s piece about Jeter. If anyone could turn it around, Jeter could. Sam was dead on. Talent like that doesn’t just suddenly evaporate.

  107. jmills August 18th, 2012 at 8:45 am

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    I dont think any of these things are meant to be the end all ne all……its just information.
    ————–

    Yeah, there are guys who consistently outperform their peripherals for whatever reason. Matt Cain, for example. I like FIP because it’s pretty simple. It just shows you the true pitching outcomes without the random element of fielding.
    ————————
    again, I will strongly disagree.

    You can’t really believe a ‘true pitching outcome’ is based solely on walks, K’s, and HRs allowed, can you?

    Do you really believe there is nothing else that is indicative of a pitching performance, like ground balls, popups, flyballs, etc?

    You might be able to influence me with a statistic that incorporated each of these outcomes into the result, but just walks, K’s and HRs (plus a 3.20 made up number to make the stat look real) is a no go for me.

  109. RadioKev August 18th, 2012 at 8:51 am

    You can’t really believe a ‘true pitching outcome’ is based solely on walks, K’s, and HRs allowed, can you?
    ——————

    No, that’s just what it’s called. A BB, K, or HR is a true outcome, it’s the jargin.

    It’s a pretty good barometer for a pitcher’s performance. Not perfect, but as Blake said, it’s just more information to add to the picture.

    Pitchers that keep walks and home runs down, and can strike out guys, tend to be good pitchers. Ground balls, pop ups, flyballs aside. Those are elements that the pitcher cannot control because it’s dependent on his fielders.

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    Here’s a stat – rogers has a lot of money and I need pitching.

  111. Yankee Trader August 18th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    FIP is too complicated and hasn’t been around very long.

    All you do or don’ want to know about flippin FIP!

    http://www.fangraphs.com/libra.....ching/fip/

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    New post——->

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    When you look deeper into hughes stats, he’s not pitching that bad. He has the least amount of walks of all the starters. The HR’s are killing but he’s not walking tons of people. If he could get more ground ball outs his whip would be more like 1.0. His CU would help him tremendously; if he would use it more.

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