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If he has to leave, Swisher wants to go with no regrets/morning paper

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Aug 19, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Nick Swisher delivered three of the Yankees’ seven hits in Saturday’s 4-1 loss to the Red Sox. He’s batting .380 in his last 12 games with four homers and 14 RBI. Seven of the games have included more than one hit. For the season, he’s batting .272 with 18 homers and 69 RBI.

But he knows his time here may be coming to a close after four seasons. The Yankees picked up his one-year, $10.25 million option after last season. He can be a free agent and the Yankees are intent on not getting clobbered by a luxury tax, so they want to get down to a $189 million payroll by 2014.

“I’ve been thinking a lot,” Swisher said. “That word ‘regret’ kind of pops into my head. That’s the last thing that I want to have, regardless of whatever my situation is next year. I want to enjoy this time that I have now and just soak it up, and we’ll see what happens.

“I’ve never gone through something like this,” he added. “I don’t even really know what to think about. I’m just trying to enjoy it because this place has been so amazing to me. I figure if I didn’t go out there and give it everything I had, I’d feel bad about that. I’m just trying to go out there and have some fun, put up quality at-bats every single time, and we’ll just go from there.”

Swisher may not be the second coming of Mr. October, but he does bring some valuable things to this team, including positive energy. He switch hits and can play right or back up at first. He’s a fan-friendly and media-friendly guy. And he likes it here.

What do you think the Yankees should do?

Also, hope you can read my articles today for The Journal News/LoHud.com, one on yesterday’s game and the promise of David Phelps despite the loss, another on the concern over Mark Teixeira’s recurring wrist trouble and other notes, and another that’s non-Yankees related. I worked for more than a month trying to track down  former players all over the country for a story on their 40th anniversary of going to the Little League World Series (the only ones in the history of their county and one of only two teams from the Lower Hudson Valley to go in the 66 years of it) to have them look back and find out where they are in their lives now. Extra credit and much thanks to anyone who takes the time to read that one.

My colleague, Josh Thomson, will be here for tonight’s series finale and Chad will be back tomorrow. I’m going on vacation today for two weeks since I don’t have an offseason, but anyone who would like to follow me or converse on Twitter during downtime from The LoHud Yankees Blog can do so @bheyman99.

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167 Responses to “If he has to leave, Swisher wants to go with no regrets/morning paper”

  1. blake August 19th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Ok I have changed my mind on even wanting Melky for 1 year…..dude is a knucklehead…….kinda funny that he thought that would work though

  2. Bret The Hitman August 19th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    The Yankees should pass because the Braves or some other team will offer him a 4-5 year deal similar to the Ethier deal. Swisher and Ethier produce a comparable stat line so that deal will be huge. They can extend an offer sheet to Swisher and get a draft pick for him but that’s about it. It’s going to be interesting to see what the Yankees do in RF.

    Re-sign Ichiro (hitting .300 w/ Yanks)?

    Trade for Justin Upton?

    Trade for Chase Headley?

  3. Yankee Trader August 19th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    Too many financial decisions have to be decided upon within the 5 day exclusive window after the end of the WS.

    13M qualifying offer for Swisher
    Picking up Cano’s and Granderson’s club option
    Soriano- if he stays that’s 14M

    Will they be offering Rivera,Pettitte, Kuroda contracts since all are FA’s?

    Remember LT is 42.5% of everything over 178M this season and next.

    Will the “paring down” begin this offseason?

  4. 86w183 August 19th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    As much as Swisher loves playing in NYC you would think he would be reasonable in his $$$ demands, but who knows.

    I’m much more inclined to sign him this year than Granderson next year, that’s for sure.

    A lot of the Yanks off-season financial strategy could come down to Rivera/Soriano. If they have both, they probably let Swish wlak and don’t acquire a significant offensive piece.

    If they have one of the two, that’s some more $$$ for the lineup and if both are gone, which is a real possibility then the could decide to let D-Rob, Joba and Aardsma battle for roles at the back end of the pen and go after two OF.

  5. blake August 19th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    ,Trade for Justin Upton?”

    Yes….

    .I would actually like to have Swisher back too if they could fit him in…..but hes gonna want to get paid and I dont blame him.

    Swisher is a great complimentary piece for the Yanks…..hes just going to want to get paid more like a middle of the order guy and he could hit in the middle of a lot of lineups.

    They should make him the qualifying offer and then just see how the market plays out.

  6. yankfan1 August 19th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    I’d rather resign Swisher than take on a huge deal for Granderson who is batting bellow .240 at the prime of his career. Don’t really understand why everyone is saying Granderson is going to get a similar deal as Cano. The man strikes out way too much, cant hit for average, a terrible fielder, and doesnt even use his legs to steal bags. If i had to pick between Grandy and Swish, i would pick Swish every time. But I’ll admit, it all depends on the price on the two. Would not be willing to go 5 years on either of these players.

  7. blake August 19th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Its gonna be a very interesting winter…..lot of short and long term.decisions to make.

  8. Bret The Hitman August 19th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    Trader,

    Swisher will get an Ethier deal. I think he’s gone.

    Cano and Granderson will be picked up IMHO.

    Soriano will opt out IMHO.

    Pettitte will be back, cheaper than Kuroda because of the injury.

    Mo will be back cheaper because of his injury.

  9. blake August 19th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    “Don’t really understand why everyone is saying Granderson is going to get a similar deal as Cano.”

    I dont think anybody has said this……

  10. blake August 19th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    I think they let Swisher and Granderson both go.and sign Cano…….

  11. Bret The Hitman August 19th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Swisher’s agent can and will point to Andre Ethier’s deal. Swisher has a career OPS+ of 117 and Ethier has OPS+ of 123. Swisher is more versatile on defense as he can play multiple positions and better in RF.

    So Swisher has every right to expect a 5 year 85 million dollar deal as a baseline in his negotiations with the Yankees and other teams.

    Are you prepared to match this?

    Andre Ethier of
    1 year/$10.95M (2012)
    5 years/$85M (2013-17), plus 2018 option

    5 years/$85M (2013-17), plus 2018 club option
    signed extension with LA Dodgers 6/12/12
    13:$13.5M, 14:$15.5M, 15:$18M, 16:$16M, 17:$18M, 18:$17.5M club option ($2.5M buyout)

  12. blake August 19th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    Maybe the Yankees can hire Melky to build a fake website that will convince Swisher to accept a 1 year deal.

  13. blake August 19th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    I think Ethier is viewed as a better player than swish though even though he really isnt and I think thats a pretty bad contract for the Dodgers……I dont think he will get that much…..but I coukd see him getting 4/60 or so….

  14. austinmac August 19th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    The Rays are coming on very strong. The division race is very much in play.

    Melky is definitely not coming to the Yankees now. Swisher will be gone. Who will replace his offense? I suspect it will not be replaced by anything near what he does. I am not okay with the team getting worse. That is what I expect.

  15. 86w183 August 19th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    Either is 1 1/2 years younger, slightly more productive offensively and I think he’s a much better defensive outfielder from what I’ve seen. He does have more OF assists and fewer errors.

    I would not go more than 4 years, $ 50 M for Swisher and if he says no, that’s life.

  16. Bret The Hitman August 19th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    I think they’re going to keep Granderson. Otherwise, you open 3 holes in the OF instead of just 2. If you look at that configuration long term, you need a cheap LF and a cheap RF. Gardner is too fragile to depend on. With a producer like Granderson in CF, the Yankees can afford to go cheap or go with stopgaps in LF and RF until some of the OF in the minors pan out: Mason Williams, Slade Heathcott, Tyler Austin, Ramon Flores, Ravel Santana, Melky Mesa, Zolio Almonte.

    If you use Granderson as a building block you can assimilate maybe 2 of those prospects in the OF over time.

    I think Ichiro will be back in RF.

    He’s hitting .300 with NYY.

  17. RespectTheGame August 19th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    If A-Rod has a bad ’13 or ’14 maybe he’ll retire early. Too late to keep Swish though obviously. So yes, watching how the Yanks fill the potential need in right field and in the rotation will be very interesting this off-season.

  18. 86w183 August 19th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    At what price do you see Ichiro in pinstripes in 2013? He’s making $ 17 M this year.

    Yanks do not need to get older. they need to consider younger, more athletic guys like Headley and the Upton brothers.

  19. Bret The Hitman August 19th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Ichiro has been excellent here.

    Vets are ok as long as they produce (see Chavez, Kuroda, Pettitte, Rivera, Jeter etc.) Ichiro is hitting .300 with NYY. He wanted to come here. And I doubt any team out there will overpay him at his age so regardless of how much he might want to pay for, no team will offer him close to 17 M. He will have to play for 5 M or not play at all.

  20. austinmac August 19th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Ichiro seems to have little production to me. He has a low OBP, no power and has doesn’t run like he used to. He is not a corner outfielder on a good team in my opinion.

    The way this team scores is via the home run. Taking homers away and replacing them with singles and no walks makes the team worse. It takes away the reason they win.

  21. Villa Nova-Ya August 19th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    I don’t know if the Yankees can rely on Brett Gardner next season as a full-time OF. So if you don’t sign Swisher and you don’t sign Granderson, you’re looking at retooling your entire outfield, but your entire batting order.

    Brian’s point about Swisher being a switch-hitter is important. Yankees used to have several SH’s in the their lineup, and if you take Swisher out of it now, well, their lineup is a lot less flexible than they’re used to having. (Which would make less of a difference if whoever replaces Grandy/Swish can hit righties and lefties almost equally well.) And both Swisher and Granderson supply a lot of power out there.

    It’s going to be interesting to see what happens. I offer no predictions. I know what I want to happen, but I have a feeling it’s going to be a slightly uncomfortable off-season for me. :(

  22. austinmac August 19th, 2012 at 9:38 am

    AROD will retire early and leave tens of millions on the table? Good luck with that.

  23. Yankee Trader August 19th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    Wish I could stay. Cashman has his work cut out for him this offseason. Until later.

    Have a great day everyone.

  24. bruceb August 19th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Why all the fuzzy, feelgood stories on the LoHud blog today? We just lost for the third time in the last five home games to our arch rivals, the Boston Red Sox. This is no time for handing out accolades to Swisher and Soriano. We should be figuring out a way to stop a career minor leaguer going 4-4 against us. And, yes, before you ask, I am extremely grumpy this morning.

  25. austinmac August 19th, 2012 at 9:41 am

    I think they should try to keep Swisher and deal Granderson. Of course if they do that, they need a center fielder unless Gardner actually recovers. I think they should take that risk since money saving is now the object of all team transactions.

  26. Bret The Hitman August 19th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    I think fans are worried that a re-sign of Ichiro means that he’s the permanent, full-time RF throughout 2013. I don’t think that’s necessarily the case though. I think the Yankees could buy time while they shop for a RF on the trade market like Justin Upton. Next year, there are several Yankees prospects who will advance a level and move 1 year closer to being ML-ready. Their trade value at next year’s trade deadline will be much higher.

    So while Ichiro is in RF, you have Mesa and Almonte in AAA. If you can get to the trade deadline with those 3 (Ichiro is always healthy) then maybe you can add Justin Upton and plug him into RF, making Ichiro more of a rotation player in LF, CF, RF and DH.

    If you envision Granderson in CF long-term and Upton in RF long-term, you can trade Tyler Austin and Mason Williams in a package for Upton. What are you left with for LF solutions?

    Heathcott
    Santana
    Flores
    Mesa
    Almonte

    Can one of them turn into Gardner?

    Of course.

  27. Tidrow August 19th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    Ask the question of whether fans want Swisher back after post season not now when he’s on a hot streak. If he stays true to past form and stinks it up again in post season i’ll be glad to see him leave to be honest. Only thing will change my mind about him is if he performs well in post season.

  28. Bret The Hitman August 19th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    So I guess the OF I envision for 2014 and beyond is

    Justin Upton – RF
    Curtis Granderson – CF

    LF is an open audition for:

    Heathcott
    Santana
    Flores
    Mesa
    Almonte

  29. RespectTheGame August 19th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    It appears that A-Rod is enough concerned with his performance that he would not continue to play if he feels he is embarrassing himself on the field; just to collect checks…

    I hope.

    Plus, the media would pummel him if he continues this downward trend…and just ‘hang on’ for the $$$.

  30. austinmac August 19th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Ichiro is a memory of his former self. He has had one walk since he has been on the team, one homer, few extra base hits and an OPS for the second consecutive year far under .700. This is not a starting outfielder on a good team. If his name was Juan Pierre their would be no discussion or consideration of bringing him back.

    They could bring him back for one year if he is cheap and not impacting 2014. I definitely would not.

  31. Bo knows August 19th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    Granderson the producer – Now that’s funny. He’s batting sixth for a reason.

    He’s batting 179 in the last ten games, a round 240 for the season, with 147 SOs. Jones was batting cleanup yesterday.

    And let’s not go to defensive ratings. Even with the “Saw him good”, cheering section, he’s been less than stellar.

    One thing is, that he’s played a lot of baseball. The Yankees should try to give him some time off.

  32. austinmac August 19th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    Swisher has appeared to cut down on his swing with two strikes. That is hopeful.

  33. austinmac August 19th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Bo,

    Thanks for the travel info from yesterday. What an amazing place.

  34. Giuseppe Franco August 19th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Gee, I wonder why Bret isn’t beating his chest over Melky Cabrera any longer?

  35. Bret The Hitman August 19th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    I would still take Melky there sport.

  36. Bret The Hitman August 19th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    And gee, I wonder why Franco isn’t beating his meat over Jesus Montero any longer?

    :lol:

  37. jacksquat August 19th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    I didn’t think the Yankees would be interested in Melky after being busted for roids, but they definitely won’t now after his website exploits.

  38. Giuseppe Franco August 19th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    You would? Too bad for you the Yanks won’t (and probably wouldn’t have even if Cabrera was clean).

    At least we now know why he was producing unexplainable numbers.

  39. Giuseppe Franco August 19th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Montero is still playing and Pineda hasn’t even dirtied his uniform yet. You sure as hell don’t have any moral high ground to stand on in that deal.

    Montero is still going to hit.

  40. yankee21 August 19th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    My prediction is NYY will make Swisher a qualifying offer for 2013, and Swisher will turn it down and become a FA. He loves NYY but he will follow the money, pretty much they all do, and really who can blame them?

    As has been repeated ad nauseum NYY needs to find out what it will take to sign Cano for 5-6 year extension and Grandy for a 3 year extension. If they are willing to work with NYY and do that on reasonable terms I resign them both. If Cano or Grandy want more years or crazy money I deal them this off season, plain and simple.

    What NYY cannot alow to happen is what played out with the Mets and Reyes, worst case scenario getting basically nothing for an all star.

    I really do not want to give out LT contracts to players at the age of 32 or older.

    Good article by Sherman today regarding NYY needing to make a decision on Joba and Hughes.

  41. ericns1 August 19th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    Keep Swish, trade Ganderson or hope A-Rod retires soon – his contact is a weight pulling the team down.

  42. LGY August 19th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Yankees are intent on not getting clobbered by a luxury tax, so they want to get down to a $189 million payroll by 2014.

    ——–

    This is a real misconception of the luxury tax put out there by the Yankees.

    If the Yankees were to maintain current salary levels they would not be paying more in luxury tax under the new CBA. In fact, they would be paying less starting in 2014.

    The Yankees want to get under and likely stay under the 189M threshold in order to be eligible for the new revenue sharing rebates.

    Also, if you want to be cynical they may be using the new CBA as cover to lower payroll because that is the largest savings they will reap as a result of getting under 189M.

  43. yankee21 August 19th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    By the way Swisher does not have to leave. The premise of that point in the interview was Swisher would have to leave is invalid on its face.

    Swisher makes the decision to stay by his demands. Nobody would be forcing him to leave.

    So Swish how much do you really want to be a Yankee?

  44. jacksquat August 19th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Haha, Arod is not going to retire and forfeit any of that money.

  45. blake August 19th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    “At what price do you see Ichiro in pinstripes in 2013? He’s making $ 17 M this year.”

    Andrew Jones money…..

  46. yankee21 August 19th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    It is futile to hope that Arod or any MLB player just retires and forfeits millions while under contract because of some sort of pride.

    They will play out their contract. Better to accept it as fait accomplit and just deal with reality.

  47. blake August 19th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    “Also, if you want to be cynical they may be using the new CBA as cover to lower payroll because that is the largest savings they will reap as a result of getting under 189M.”

    Correct…..they started lowering payroll a couple of years ago…..the new CBA is cover to continue doing it farther….

  48. Bo knows August 19th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Thanks for the travel info from yesterday. What an amazing place.

    ———–
    You’re welcome. That whole area, is blow you away scenery. Almost impossible to comprehend in one go. Sensory overload. You get high on the oxygen content in the air. The only caveat I would place is to give it the time it deserves.

    Again I would start along the Hope – Princeton highway, up the Okanagan which is just, gosh darn pretty, stop in at a few wineries, to mellow out, overnight in Kamloops and then motor on to Clearwater and Wells Gray Park.

    Note of caution, this is mountain country and people get lulled by a false sense of security of modern conveniences. A hundred yards off the beaten track and it’s wilderness.

    Then there is a little gem called The Northern Cascades (#20) Highway just south of Bellingham WA. There are a couple of little towns en route that have been time warped from 1912.

  49. blake August 19th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    “So Swish how much do you really want to be a Yankee?”

    Probably not enough to turn down millions more to play elsewhere and I wouldnt blame him. There may be a fairly large gap between what the Yabks would offer and what somebody else would…..this may be Swish’s one chance to set up his family for generations and that should and will most likely come.l first

  50. yankee21 August 19th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    I wouldn’t blame Swish either Blake.

  51. blake August 19th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    But if he wanted to take a discount to stay in NY that would be cool

  52. 86w183 August 19th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    “There may be a fairly large gap between what the Yanks would offer and what somebody else would…..this may be Swish’s one chance to set up his family for generations.”

    *************************************************************************

    Sorry, but that’s bull

    Swisher will have earned $ 36 M playing baseball by the end of the season. that’s enough to “set up” his family for a couple of hundred years.

    He has every right to earn as much as he wants, but if he turns down a solid offer from the Yanks for more $$$ elsewhere he’s a mercenary, plain and simple.

  53. blake August 19th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    “Sorry, but that’s bull”

    it’s really not…..how much of the 36 million does he have left? we have no idea how well he’s saved or invested…..and he has the right to go after the most he can get .

    If the Yankees offered something with the same numbers of years and a marginal difference in AAV and he chose to go elsewhere then fine…..but if they offer like 2/20 or 3/30 and he’s got a 4 or 5 year deal out there elsewhere then I wouldn’t begrudge him one bit for going elsewhere.

    At the end of the day if the Yankees don’t pay him market value then why should he stay? They are the richest franchise in the sport…..I’d go where I was wanted.

  54. yankee21 August 19th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    86

    What would a “solid offer” from the Yankees look like?

  55. blake August 19th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal

    Yes, they’re the #Yankees. But they may be the best bargain hunters in the sport. Column: http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....ers-081812

  56. blake August 19th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    I think swisher’s market is really tough to gauge right now….given that their won’t be a ton of good bats available this winter….I could see a team over paying him….

  57. 86w183 August 19th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    And of course the place you are “wanted” is the place that offers the most money.

    I won’t deny his right to what he wants, but if he takes slightly more to go elsewhere I’d view him as a big time phony. Nows if we’re talking 1 year @ $ 12 M versus 5 years @ $ 15 M that’s another matter.

    If he isn’t set up for life after grossing $ 35 M over the last five years then he’s an idiot.

    And his wife makes a ton of $$$ too

  58. 86w183 August 19th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    To me a solid offer for Swisher would be 3 years, $ 39 M or 4 years, $ 50 M.

    I would sign him over Granderson if the $$$ were identical.

  59. blake August 19th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    great article by Rosenthal there…..and we have to give Cash and co. credit for creating the culture they have to get these guys to accept their roles…..it’s really been vital the last two years…..those players have helped them get where they are as much as the stars have…

  60. blake August 19th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    “I won’t deny his right to what he wants, but if he takes slightly more to go elsewhere I’d view him as a big time phony. ”

    sure….but I think as I said there could be a large difference.

  61. blake August 19th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    I think if the Yankees get close to what other teams offer then Swisher will stay….it’s just really hard to say what other teams will offer right now…..I could see swisher signing anywhere from 3/30 to 5/85

  62. yankee21 August 19th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    To me a solid offer for Swisher would be 3 years, $ 39 M or 4 years, $ 50 M….

    I agree with that. My sense is as long he finishes the year somewhere around .270/.25/85, he should be able to secure a 4 year deal at 60 Mil.

  63. Doc Iac August 19th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    blake August 19th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Ok I have changed my mind on even wanting Melky for 1 year…..dude is a knucklehead…….kinda funny that he thought that would work though

    —-

    what happened?

  64. austinmac August 19th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Bo,

    I have made notes of your great suggestions. I’ve been to Vancouver and Victoia Island, which I loved, but never inland. Yet.

  65. austinmac August 19th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Doc,

    Check out a Daily News article on how he tried to beat the test result. It destroys the concept of Melky stepping forward and admitting his wrongdoing.

  66. 86w183 August 19th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    So he tried to cover his tracks, or at least his buddy Nunez did. So what? That’s what people and their defense attorneys do thousands of times a day.

    I’d sign him to a one-year, low guarantee deal to let him try and rehabilitate his image as a ballplayer. Low risk, potential high reward.

  67. Villa Nova-Ya August 19th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    At the end of the day, most of today’s players are “mercenaries.”

    What you hope as a fan is that the weigh all factors, not just money. If the money’s close, you can follow your heart. Otherwise not many among us would leave a lot of money on the table.

    I think an interesting thing to think about though is who the offers may come from. If the largest offer is from a team that is a “wannabe,” in other words, not really a contender right now, but hoping to build towards that, do you take the money from them, or do you go to a bonafide contending team for a little less money?

    I’d like to think everyone who plays for the Yankees and seemingly enjoys their time there, and who also get a nice little boost out of being a Yankee for their various charitable activities, that they would take that into consideration. Certainly I would not expect anyone to take significantly less money, or a hometown discount, but I would hope that if the money is close, they’d want to stay.

    But I also don’t like to set myself up for disappointment. And practically speaking, if the Yankees are as set on this budget thing as it sure seems they are, then, there are going to be some changes and it’s going to be one of those times where you just can’t make everyone happy.

    And you hope that whatever team they end up with can still have an exciting, pennant contending season for the next couple of years.

    Hey, spending all that money on Pujols hasn’t guaranteed anything for the Angels; nor has getting Fielder guaranteed anything for the Tigers. Worth the gamble, sure. But nothing is guaranteed anyway.

  68. 86w183 August 19th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    Villa Nova-Ya

    Very well said.

    I wont be disappointed if Swish leaves over a few M here or there, but I will think less of him.

    the Yanks can win with a $ 189 M payroll and they could miss the playoffs spending $ 220 M. It’s why I’m not apoplectic about the cut back. It’ll be fascinating to watch them try to win big while exercising fiscal restraint.

    Though that’s really what they’ve done with a relatively flat payroll over the last five years.

  69. DONNYBROOK August 19th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    Let Swish walk, and put a package together for J. Upton. Yanks need to know whether MO returns in 2013 and the same goes for Soriano. Either one of those guys returns, means the Yanks can afford to include Robertson in the package along with Phelps. The possibility of a 3 Way, makes parting with Both Phelps and Robertson, (among others), realistic. Upton’s AAV\$189 Mill goal, means the Yanks gotta go this way to have a legit shot at that figure And continue fielding a competitive team.

  70. mick August 19th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Check out a Daily News article on how he tried to beat the test result. It destroys the concept of Melky stepping forward and admitting his wrongdoing.
    ================
    Gives new meaning to Cano’s not giving him the high 5 at the ASG.

  71. Tar August 19th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    “At the end of the day, most of today’s players are “mercenaries.””

    What does that make most owners? It’s a business, everybody is out to make the most money possible. Players are too often the only one’s criticized for it.

    And BTW the 189 figure is the nothing more then the Yankees being a “mercenary”.

  72. austinmac August 19th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Cashman has does a great job creating a good bench with low cost vets. I fear he will use that philosophy to replace Swisher and perhaps Granderson. Cheap is fine for the bench, but please don’t count on those guys to play regularly.

  73. mick August 19th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Is J Upton a sure thing?
    Have not seen enough of him to know.
    His #’s this season are down and are not eye popping for his career.
    I wouldn’t want to give up DRob and Phelps at this point.

  74. tom tresh 15 August 19th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    As far as the debate with Swisher, I agree with what GB once said , Show me an outfielder that is as good and cheaper. May be his last year but would like to keep him

  75. blake August 19th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    “Is J Upton a sure thing?”

    No….but hes one of the handful of players in baseball that make you say “whoa” when they swing a bat…..the bat speed just jumps out at you. Hea legitimately one of the most talented players ever drafted and hes 24 years old on a very affordable contract.

    If youre gonna ever gamble on a player’s upside then hes the type guy you do it for…….sure it might not work out….everything has risk……but you cpuld also end up with a Matt Kemp for their prime years at 8 miilion AAV ……

  76. blake August 19th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    If the Yankees COULD get Swisher to do.an affordable short term deal and they couldnt find a good trade for Granderson then they could try to deal for Upton….sign Swisher and just keep Grandy for 2013 and go for a title……shop Gardner for prospects etc….then youd have Upton, Grandy, Swisher in 2013 and hopefully some farm help arriving soon after…….

    I like Swish…..I like Grandy too….but the Yanks have to be careful to not tie up a ton of money in guys past their primes…….Derek Jeters are extremely rare…..mkst guys dont keep performing to 38.

  77. mick August 19th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    Not getting the feeling that Hal wants to gamble on the upside when the salary is fair but close to 10m per.

  78. Bo knows August 19th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Cash has to work with the mandate given him by ownership.

    Between he, Hendry, Eppler – the pro scouting department. I’m sure they’ve gamed various scenarios. For example when he went to see CC, they talked about the clubhouse atmosphere and what Cashman saw as CC’s role in improving it.

    If they treat lesser players with honesty and respect, this also translates into treating stars the same way.

    Cashman has put together a team which gathers information from various sources. Eppler came up through the ranks. Hendry was hired for the experience. Towers wanted to learn the Yankee way, how much did Cashman learn from Towers? The bullpen makeup is almost a carbon copy of the Towers’ method. Michael and Livesey have input and so on.

    Start with the premise that Cash and his team are very bright and work from there.

  79. blake August 19th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    If Hal isnt going to.spend the money for sure thing super stars then hes going to have gamble on some potential……also sure thing super stars arent available at 24 ever….its a unique opportunity

  80. blake August 19th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    Bo,

    I agree…..I really wish they could have kept Towers…..add him to what they have and its kinda a perfecr mix…..

  81. mick August 19th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    …also sure thing super stars arent available at 24 ever…
    ==================================
    i get the feeling they don’t believe he’s a sure thing and potential doesn’t seem to entice them.
    until they shed some of their HOF IF salaries then they might gamble again or go for proven superstars…

  82. blake August 19th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Mick,

    Possible…..but Im tellin ya this guy has special ability and could bust out in a big way in his mid 20s…it could be a franchise changing move.

  83. mick August 19th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    i could see them going into next year with an OF of Gardy, Grandy, Ichiro/Hunter…

  84. blake August 19th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Another thing thats kinda underated about Swish is his ability to play a pretty decent 1B…..

  85. mick August 19th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    blake

    what about cespedes and darvish…they are not laying out big money on the unknown.

  86. blake August 19th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    “i could see them going into next year with an OF of Gardy, Grandy, Ichiro/Hunter…”

    Most likely scenario unfortunately

  87. blake August 19th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    “what about cespedes and darvish…they are not laying out big money on the unknown.”

    Kinda looking like they shpuld have with Cespedes in particular

  88. mick August 19th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    not sure Hunter would go for a platoon.

  89. The Return of Stoneburner August 19th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    The wax – the bias of ESPN

    The poetics – the hatred for the Yankees

    The wax poetics of the following:

    The scheme began unfolding in July as Cabrera and his representatives scrambled to explain a spike in the former Yankee’s testosterone levels. Cabrera associate Juan Nunez, described by the player’s agents, Seth and Sam Levinson, as a “paid consultant” of their firm but not an “employee,” is alleged to have paid $10,000 to acquire a phony website.

    The poetics that only the Yankees are mentioned in Cabrera’s former employment – completely leaving out the Royals and Braves – and the Royals mind you were his employer when he had his “breakout” season of 2011. The implication again for this ESPN article is that the Yankees are somehow tainted in this thing – whether it was meant to read that way or not by the author.

    There are few things worse than a Montero fan boy who sells his/her season tickets and only goes to games when the Mariners are in town – but this ESPN article is one of them – - – –

  90. mick August 19th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    Kinda looking like they shpuld have with Cespedes in particular
    ==================
    when you don’t lay out big money to gamble it’s not even a consideration.
    they might even look at hamilton as a gamble, esp @10-15m.

  91. Bo knows August 19th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Oh yeah, I’m a big fan of Towers. The only one better, is Pat Gillick. That is the Master.

    Built three teams into powerhouses and the acolytes couldn’t maintain what he left them.

  92. mick August 19th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    The Yanks are the team America loves to hate and love.
    Love/hate is such a dominant theme in this country, look at what sells.
    Remember Dynasty or Dallas, even the Sopranos. Popular series. Sold mucho advertising.
    Same as the Yankees to ESPN.

  93. UnKnown August 19th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Interesting how Melky continues to be referenced in articles I read as the “former Yankee” instead you know as the “current Giant”.

  94. blake August 19th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    If America should hate anybody it should be that bunch of no class cry babies in Boston who spend almost as much money but do nothing with it.

  95. DONNYBROOK August 19th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    When you consider what these “ham-n-egger” OF’ers are getting via arbitration, Upton’s AAV at Under $9Mill, his age\24, and his ceiling, make getting him imperative if you seriously wanna come in at $189 Mill\2014.

  96. UnKnown August 19th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    Yeah I don’t think the Sux should be America’s darlings anymore. The little engine that could, as they have been portrayed in the past.

    The media is funny…

  97. blake August 19th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    I agree with Donny for once!

  98. DONNYBROOK August 19th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    The media is ALL ESPN.

  99. blake August 19th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    Red Sox fans dont even like the Red Sox right now……

  100. The Return of Stoneburner August 19th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    Here is what Lucchino said to me on Friday: “I know people in baseball think that you shouldn’t site injuries, everyone has them…well, not everyone has them to the magnitude that we had had. In fact, there is an article in USA Today today about the injuries beset in baseball in general and they point out that no one is in the category that the Red Sox are in in terms of key players; 29 players have been sent to the disabled list (29 trips to the disabled list that is).
    “So, that’s a factor. The instability of the pitching staff is a factor, the transition from one organization and administration to another in terms of the general manager change has got to be a little bit of a part of it. But if you asked me to site the major reasons, I would site the aberrational number of injuries and the instability of the starting pitchers.”
    More from Lucchino: “In fairness to (Valentine), he never really had that team that he thought he was going to have on the field….There have been long stays on the disabled list, extended, unpredictable stays on the disabled list. And, I think Bobby didn’t have the horses…He lost his closer a few days before the start of the season and did a masterful job of reconstructing the bullpen. But, it was never ‘here’s this solid team, ready to go and healthy and primed to show the world that we’ve got something to prove.”

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....z240rrk1SH

    *********

    BULLSH1T

  101. UnKnown August 19th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....-1.1139537

    ——-

    More back pedaling from that clown organization.

  102. Bo knows August 19th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    I agree with Donny for once!

    ————-

    Who knew? Such a learned post and then there’s that “wanna”. Totally took the wind out of the sails.

  103. TheStraw August 19th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    I’m with those who want to keep Swish and trade Granderson. As great a guy as Curtis is, he does not have nearly the production to justify a mega-contract. It also might be in their best interest to break policy and extend Cano prior to the end of his contract so as to have a better idea of how to budget. But it obviously is going to be affected by which pitchers they decide to retain for next year. Kuroda would command at least the 10m he is making this year. Andy and Mo, who knows what they will offer and what they will take to play. Soriano, if he exercises his option, is another 11m. Then there is the question of long term futures of Hughes and Joba. I have a feeling we see some sort of a blockbuster trade this year for an every day player that will include some names we won’t expect.

  104. mick August 19th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    Once you are stereotyped it is hard to go back.
    The media has adopted the sox as their child and believe they can rectify themselves.
    Just going thru a hard time for now but this will further solidify their underdog role, esp to the Yankees, when the Yanks succeed and the sox fail for now.
    Why would they abandon their story line forever when it could change again in the future?

  105. Bo knows August 19th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    If you as a journalist can’t tell the difference between cite and site, you might as well hang it up. Where’s the cred?

  106. Bo knows August 19th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    The media has adopted the sox as their child and believe they can rectify themselves.
    ————–

    That at the very least is the Yankee fan credo for Boston “Go rectify yourself.”

  107. tomingeorgia August 19th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    Straw,
    I tend to agree; something big this winter.

  108. Villa Nova-Ya August 19th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    Tar -

    I am not criticizing the players for it. We were just talking about the players point of view. If you want to talk about owners, well, yeah, I would think that their goal is (or should be) to field as successful at team as they can while still being able to make as much of a profit as possible, in whatever legal means that entails. :)

    So if Cashman can wait out those vets and sign them for a lot less than they thought they would be making, and get a successful season out of them, then he’s done his job from the owners’ point of view. More bang for the buck!

  109. m August 19th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Almost everyone had Swisher gone. Most wanted him out for swinging at the heels, for being too happy, and not delivering in the post season. Some of us acknowledged that he’s a valuable player that would be too expensive to keep. Cashman did not list him as a priority this winter along with Cano and Granderson.

    He’s having a good season and deserves a good contract. No one should begrudge him if he moves on. He’s going to go where he feels the love.

    Do they bow to Cano and give him a ridiculous contract and let both Granderson (when is he a FA?) AND Swisher go? That’s our whole outfield if Brett doesn’t come back.

    I like Ichiro and maybe Ibanez back. But neither is a full-time player at this point.

    Cash might be wheeling and dealing for that younger OF this winter.

  110. theREALkevin August 19th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    People have to realize that although Cashman has done a great job with the bargain bin guys, OTHER TEAMS have been in on these guys also. But if you have a low offer from the Yankees and also say the Twins for example, who are you going to pick? Simply being the New York Yankees has really helped Cashman sign some of these guys. They’d rather play for a championship contender than some random team. It’s not like the Yankees are the only team offering these guys deals.

  111. austinmac August 19th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    M,

    I agree on Ichiro and Ibanez. Both have value, but neither should be a regular.

  112. Bo knows August 19th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    Cash might be wheeling and dealing for that younger OF this winter.

    ———-
    From your lips to Cash’s ears.

    Swisher when he swings within himself, as he’s done lately is a force, no doubt about it. He’s developed into an above average RF, even improved his throwing. The Swisher of the last few days is worth the 15 mil per. The Question is, when does he revert to last month’s Swisher?

  113. tucker August 19th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    The NY Daily News story on Melky’s fake website says they are now investigating Melky’s source for his testosterone. Jeff Novitzky is the guy investigating this (same guy who uncovered the Balco stuff)

    It’s amazing to me how much the Feds and others continue to dig in MLB’s players and drug use. If they spent one quarter of that time looking into the NFL, imagine what they would find. It is inequitable treatment.

  114. Cashmoney August 19th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    dollars and years… what’s the grand plan? what are Yankees willing to pay for. Sure, I would not mind a guy coming back after putting up 800 ops consistently in NY. but swisher is just part of deal with all Yankees pending FA and big contracts already ticketed for the foreseeable future.
    So the answer is Yes, No, and Maybe… Up to the Yanks.

  115. Villa Nova-Ya August 19th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    theREALkevin -

    But according to the article that was linked to, it seems to help the Yankees’ case for signing these guys that they are up-front with the role they are offering these guys.

    Sure, they trade on their success. And naturally many players are going to choose to play for a contender.

    So the Yankees walk a fine line. They cannot jettison too many players for budgetary reasons without obtaining viable replacements. You can’t let a Granderson go and stick some unproven minor league guy in centerfield. You can’t let Cano go and do the same. And how many can you afford to let go? If you let the wrong players go, if you give the impression that you’re not all-in, those vets who decide to play for the Yankees over some other team, may just decide to play for that other team.

    And then there’s the intangible that is never discovered until AFTER a player gets here: can they play in NY? I think many can, but some cannot. And the other part of the equation is that there ARE players out there who DO NOT WANT to play in NY. I know, go figure. But it’s true.

  116. Bo knows August 19th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    It is inequitable treatment.
    ———-
    Ya think those 300 pound gazelles are chemically aided? Say it isn’t so.

  117. Cashmoney August 19th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    melky can fake he is part of DEA experimental drug program…. if the dollars and years is right.. by that I meant one year at min… someone will take a shot at him. be a bargain for any team.

  118. Cashmoney August 19th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    bo! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-ap5Fp2T6c

  119. austinmac August 19th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    The Yankees have been unwilling to take risks on players. They are going to have to or else have a team of 38 year olds. Cashman having success in the old bargain bin is going to cause him to rely more and more on that in the next couple years.

  120. bruceb August 19th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    Rays and Orioles don’t seem to know when they’re beat just lately. Credit to them for keeping the pressure on the Yanks. Going to be an interesting end to the regular season.

  121. m August 19th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    I was sad and disappointed to see that the Tigers had caught the Orioles for a wild card spot. :mad:

  122. austinmac August 19th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    I don’t think Cano can be retained after next year for less than a 7-8 year contract. Teams are willing to overpay for the next several years of big production. Does anyone want to see how slowly Cano runs out DP balls at 39-40 years old.

  123. Cashmoney August 19th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    mac,
    It will be interesting to see how Yanks handles Grandyson and Cano. I think most people are taking the educated guess that Cano won’t be the Cano now in 7-8 years.

  124. Bo knows August 19th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    The ideal solution would be someone like Upton plus a young Stud OF that the Yankees could ease into the OF.

  125. m August 19th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    Hope Phelps likes the desert heat, Bo. ;)

  126. UnKnown August 19th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    “Does anyone want to see how slowly Cano runs out DP balls at 39-40 years old.”

    Ha, will he even make it out of the batters box. That is the question.

    Seriously I hate ragging on Robbie because he is our best player but come on #24 just run it out. Please.

  127. tomingeorgia August 19th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    Hughes and Joba, for Upton, along with Laird. They get two starters and a 3rd baseman, we get the guy many of you folks have been salivating for. Hell, this trading business is easy, ain’t it?

  128. Bo knows August 19th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    Hope Phelps likes the desert heat,
    ———–
    Boy, that would hurt. Phelps, Joba and Austin. Austin is moidering High A ball.

  129. Nick in SF August 19th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    We’re reuniting Generation Trey in Arizona????

  130. tomingeorgia August 19th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    Nick,
    Why not?

  131. Nick in SF August 19th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    I’m sure Phil and Joba miss Ian a lot and they’d love to get back together.

    But does Towers want them back together?

  132. tomingeorgia August 19th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    There’s a poll on MLBTR right now discussing Hughes and Chamberlain. Let’s see what we can get for them.

  133. CompassRosy August 19th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    “I like Ichiro and maybe Ibanez back. But neither is a full-time player at this point.”

    ~
    well of course not – they are old, exM’s ;)

    Speaking of Ichiro, the other side of the trade, is off to a decent start in their PCL time…
    - Mitchell had one really rough start, the other 4 were decent to really good
    - Farquhar has yet to give up a run in his 10+ innings with the Rainiers

    btw, Noesi making progress as well…
    http://rainierscurto.wordpress.....for-noesi/

    “The story was Noesi. This was easily his best start all season.

    Noesi had darting movement on his fastball, which ranged from 91 to 94 miles per hour on the scoreboard radar gun all night. His best pitch might have been his change, which seemed to consistently arrive at 86 mph with big sink to it.

    Noesi struck out 11 batters in 7.2 innings – the most strikeouts by any Tacoma pitcher in a game this year.”

    7+ innings of no-hit ball, never a bad thing.
    Yes it was AAA but, it was vs. one of the best hitting teams in the PCL…
    Baby steps.

  134. UnKnown August 19th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Tonight’s keys to the game:

    -Work the count against Popeye Beckett and draw some walks.
    -Get Pedro C. out.

  135. Nilsson August 19th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Or maybe they can hold onto Phelps, Joba, Austin, or whoever Yankee fans are willing to sacrifice for the great J Upton. Seriously, it’s only August and the Upton drumbeat is already in full crescendo. Really, nobody is holding a gun to the Yanks head to acquire him.

  136. tomingeorgia August 19th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Nilsson,
    Don’t believe I’ve ever seen Upton play, he’s been hurt and has regressed this season, but he is 24, and has been good. I have no opinion, but if it’s reasonable, do it. Hughes, Joba and Laird.

  137. Nilsson August 19th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    Tom, I’m sure Cashman will look into it during the offseason when the GM meetings take place. There was a time when I was very bullish on Justin Upton. That’s no longer the case for me.

    Sometimes it’s the trade that you don’t make that works out. I’d rather see what we’ve got in Tyler Austin, Mason Williams, and Gary Sanchez. To get JUpton, I think one or more of those young minor leaguers would have to be moved.

  138. UnKnown August 19th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    Guthrie no hitter through 6 against the ChiSox.

  139. blake August 19th, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    Jeremy Guthrie has a no hitter through 6……if Guthrie throws a no no I think they need to consider lowering the mound again or something….

  140. blake August 19th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    Upton might have the most raw bat speed in baseball….it’s top 5 for sure. I think he’s been banged up and unhappy this year with all the trade talk surrounding him…..Yanks should go after him hard if he’s out there this winter…..type of player that just is rarely available at that age….he has the talent to be the best player in baseball and is still has 6 years of his 20′s left.

  141. randy l. August 19th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    there are no really good teams anymore. two really good teams like the yankees and the red sox of the middle of the decade just isn’t going to happen under the new rules.

    the question for the yankees is how do they be less crappy than everyone else.

    so far they are doing that.

  142. mick August 19th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    any reports on the attitude of j. upton?
    hasn’t his bro been known for pouting?

  143. blake August 19th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    “any reports on the attitude of j. upton?”

    most reports I’ve heard on him suggest he’s a really good kid and a hard worker…..it’s hard to know though.

  144. UnKnown August 19th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    No Hitter Over. Paulie gets credited a hit after the SS threw away a ball in the hole.

    Controversial as it could have easily been ruled an error to keep the no hitter alive.

  145. blake August 19th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    wow….pretty terrible scoring there to kill the no hitter….certainly should have been an error…..

  146. blake August 19th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    That’s an error….Konerko was like 5 feet away from 1B and it was a terrible throw…..they may reverse that.

  147. blake August 19th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    maybe the official scorer believes that Jeremy Guthrie has no business ever throwing a no hitter and just took matters in to his own hands.

  148. mick August 19th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    the hometown scorer rules that a hit?
    blasphemy!

  149. UnKnown August 19th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    Not sure why Hosmer didn’t scoop that. It was an easy hop and it looked like he tried to pick it way to aggressively.

    The official scorer is desperately wanting Chicago to get another hit before this game is over. Because if that is the only hit throughout this game it is going to be thoroughly talked about.

  150. mick August 19th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    wouldn’t reversing that be akin to an ump changing his call?

  151. blake August 19th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/s.....d-a-chance

    heyman on the Sox saga

  152. UnKnown August 19th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    What’s the old saying, something about you know the official scorer did a good job at the game if you don’t even know who it was, right.

  153. randy l. August 19th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    blake , i was talking yesterday with a friend who is an official scorer for about 25 oriole games a year.
    he said that with the new CBA that players or teams can’t complain to him directly anymore dduring the game and he doesn’t like it because he’d rather hear from them directly so he can look at the call in question right away.

    he said now it all goes to a committee at mlb and they get back to him.

  154. LGY August 19th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    I can’t imagine Hughes or Joba will have much trade value this winter but that Hughes for Choo trade Sherman suggests would be awesome.

    Worth dreaming, I guess :D

  155. UnKnown August 19th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    “wouldn’t reversing that be akin to an ump changing his call?”

    Crew in Detroit changed a call in Friday’s night game. Of course Buck Showalter’s head exploded as a result, but it did happen.

  156. mick August 19th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    dont think they ever have changed a call with a no no on the line.

  157. UnKnown August 19th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Halos really pooping down their leg against the Rays this series.

  158. mick August 19th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    these reds are starting to look like the team of destiny this season.

  159. jacksquat August 19th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    If the ball hits the ground and the first baseman doesn’t field it, it’s an error on the throw, always.

  160. mick August 19th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    how are the angels underachieving this hard with guys like pujols trout trumbo and that staff?

  161. bruceb August 19th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    What were the odds against the Rays sweeping a four-game series in Anaheim? Looks more than likely now. Didn’t expect Os to win a series in Detroit either. Makes it even more important that we take care of our own business tonight.

  162. jacksquat August 19th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    Oh well, they got another hit anyway, official scorer off the hook.

  163. bruceb August 19th, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Not to mention from 8-0 and 5-0 down…

  164. mick August 19th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    looks like the angels are built like the yanks in that they have a group of so called stars they have built around and are trying to fill in with veterans, either they just don’t have enough talent to pull it off or they are all having bad years.

  165. bruceb August 19th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    Really surprised by the Angels’ pitching. You wouldn’t expect Weaver, Haren, Wilson and Greinke to get lit up by a lineup like the Rays in four successive nights. Most teams would kill just to have one of them. Maybe the Rays are just a much better team that I gave them credit for?

    This must be the road trip to end all road trips. They get victimized by King Felix for a perfect game and then come from 8-0 behind to win 10-8 against Wilson last night. Crazy game.

  166. blake August 19th, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    Randy,

    interesting….I didn’t know that…..

  167. The Return of Stoneburner August 19th, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    Montero now 1 for his last 18 ABs :) :)

    And he is batting around .269 for August – with just 1 BB in 50ish ABs :) :)

    Plus – how does he still have only 16 doubles – if he is such a special hitter – he should be getting those regardless of whether he is belting homeruns (which he is not) or not – - – –

    :) :)

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