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Bartolo Colon suspended for testosterone

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 22, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Add another former Yankee to the list of suspended players. Today it’s Bartolo Colon who joins Melky Cabrera. Here’s the email announcement from Major League Baseball…

The Office of the Commissioner of Baseball announced today that Oakland Athletics pitcher Bartolo Colon has received a 50-game suspension without pay after testing positive for Testosterone, a performance-enhancing substance in violation of Major League Baseball’s Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program.

The suspension of Colon is effective immediately.

UPDATE, 1:57 p.m.: Like Cabrera, Colon has also admitted to using. Here’s his released statement: “I apologize to the fans, to my teammates and to the Oakland A’s. I accept responsibility for my actions and I will serve my suspension as required by the Joint Drug Program.”

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356 Responses to “Bartolo Colon suspended for testosterone”

  1. Chip August 22nd, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Jerkface August 22nd, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    can’t believe that these guys are so stupid. colon may never get a ml job agian

    Well he is close to 40 years old, so I don’t think that was on his mind.
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    Exactly – like I said, he got two years back in the show that he probably doesn’t get without the enhancement and now he’ll walk away. He wasn’t going to the Hall of Fame or getting a big paycheck this winter anyway.

  2. Chip August 22nd, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    On the other hand – it does smack in the face the notion that steroids can’t make a fat slob a major league ball player :-)

  3. UnKnown August 22nd, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    So who was the closest to Colon while he was a Yankee? I suppose that player will be the next guy to fall into a slump.

  4. Jerkface August 22nd, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal

    While Victor Conte likely has a point about # of players still using PEDs, baseball IS nailing players for testosterone. Two in past week.

    This is only validation if they had just started using when they got caught. If they had instead been using for a longer time and it took until now for them to slip up (forgetting to time their masking agents or whatever, mistiming them, forgetting to use them) then it is not a good system.

    Anyways, good for Bartolo, helped the Yankees last year and the A’s this year.

  5. Jerkface August 22nd, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    So who was the closest to Colon while he was a Yankee? I suppose that player will be the next guy to fall into a slump.

    Craft service coordinator probably. So expect hamburger helper postgame until the end of the season.

  6. DONNYBROOK August 22nd, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    This is why I laugh at guys on this Blog comparing amphetamines to steroids. No comparison what-so-ever.

  7. Chip August 22nd, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Jerkface August 22nd, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    Anyways, good for Bartolo, helped the Yankees last year and the A’s this year.
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    A friend of mine always says he doesn’t give a poop about who is using steroids, he just doesn’t want them to stop when his team signs them.

  8. Ys Guy August 22nd, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    i think we all knew this last year or at least suspected it. the question with both him and melky is why did it take 1 1/2 years to catch them? and who else started using this year but won’t be caught till after the ASG next year?

  9. Chip August 22nd, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    Ys Guy August 22nd, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    i think we all knew this last year or at least suspected it. the question with both him and melky is why did it take 1 1/2 years to catch them? and who else started using this year but won’t be caught till after the ASG next year?
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    Testing is random, it’s entirely possible that neither Colon or Melky were tested last year. Or that they were tested at a time in the use cycle where the levels were normal.

  10. Cashmoney August 22nd, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    i think we all knew this last year or at least suspected it.
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    i really think majority of fans don’t care if their athletes dopes as long as they produce. but that’s neither here nor there i suppose. I don’t personally.

  11. Chip August 22nd, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    Ys Guy August 22nd, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    i think we all knew this last year or at least suspected it. the question with both him and melky is why did it take 1 1/2 years to catch them? and who else started using this year but won’t be caught till after the ASG next year?
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    Kind of like speeding. You can get away with it 70 or 80% of the time.

  12. bruceb August 22nd, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    A friend of mine always says he doesn’t give a poop about who is using steroids, he just doesn’t want them to stop when his team signs them.

    Chip, there are many who feel that way. How many Yankees fans will be complaining when A-Rod goes back on the juice and smacks 50 homers next year?

  13. Jerkface August 22nd, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    Testing is random, it’s entirely possible that neither Colon or Melky were tested last year. Or that they were tested at a time in the use cycle where the levels were normal.

    I don’t think any MLB player will go an entire year without testing. That wouldn’t be a very good testing system. Bautista said he got tested like 15 times last season. And Braun said he had passed something in the double digits before his erroneous positive.

  14. Cashmoney August 22nd, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Arod can go back juicing now and smack me some PS hrs….

  15. waldo geraldo faldo August 22nd, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    The only thing that makes sense for Cano’s recent slump is that he is concerned about when his next drug test is coming. Would not surprise me at all if he was doping.

  16. Nick in SF August 22nd, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    On Bay Area sport talk radio station KNBR, former player and analyst Shootey Babbitt just said:

    “Am I shocked? No. Am I surprised? Immensely.”

  17. 86w183 August 22nd, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    This is why I laugh at guys on this Blog comparing amphetamines to steroids. No comparison what-so-ever.

    ************************************************************************

    I am one of those guys, but I’ve never compared the substances or the effect they have on the individual. I don’t think anyone has.

    I just make the point that all illegal performance enhancing drugs should be viewed the same way and they’re not. Baseball’s “amphetamine era” started LONG before the steroid era. Yet no one cares about that, but steroid users are treated like Hester Prynne and I don’t go along with hypocrisy.

    Talk to anyone in baseball and they’ll tell you the amphetamine ban has had a major effect on the diminishing productivity of most older players.

  18. DONNYBROOK August 22nd, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    Just guessing, but I would think some of these guys begin using when their physically beat up and it starts showing in their on-field performance. Colon tailed off with the Yanks in the 2nd half last season, and maybe Colon knew his body was following the same path this season.

  19. Nick in SF August 22nd, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    ” I don’t think any MLB player will go an entire year without testing.”

    Derek Jeter is allowed to deliver his sample in a gift basket along with a signed baseball.

  20. waldo geraldo faldo August 22nd, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    Cano strikes me as the type of dumb and lazy person as Colon/Melky to use testosterone, rather than putting the $$$ into staying ahead of the testing.

  21. Tyler August 22nd, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    LOL Bartolo Colon. I chuckled when I heard that I admit.

  22. waldo geraldo faldo August 22nd, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    If you are going to cheat, you may as well invest the $$$ into it and do it right.

  23. DONNYBROOK August 22nd, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    Not even gonna debate the Amphetamine vs Roid issue. The records\numbers put up by the Roid Crew speaks for itself.

  24. Tyler August 22nd, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    LOL Nick. And that sample is only good for 1 night.

  25. Chip August 22nd, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    Whatever. We all enjoyed the Colon story while it was going on. We all enjoyed seeing Melky become the great player we hoped he was going to be.

    None of this is shocking, just mildly disappointing. But I think in both cases it was the same story. It was try steroids or face the possibility of being out of the game.

  26. RadioKev August 22nd, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    “If it’s too good to be true…”

  27. kd August 22nd, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    people are going to get skeptical of any great performance. it’s sad to say but how ling before people start questioning jeter?

  28. Cashmoney August 22nd, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    no doubt, Jeter doping has crossed my mind.

  29. waldo geraldo faldo August 22nd, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    hopefully, if Jeter is, he uses the hundreds of millions of $$ he’s made in his life to invest in drugs that are ahead of the testing.

  30. Chip August 22nd, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    kd August 22nd, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    people are going to get skeptical of any great performance. it’s sad to say but how ling before people start questioning jeter?
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    I assume every player is doing something to get an advantage. Would it shock me if Jeter used steroids? Not any more than it shocked me to learn Andy juiced. Would it disappoint me greatly? Absolutely.

  31. Chip August 22nd, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    waldo geraldo faldo August 22nd, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    hopefully, if Jeter is, he uses the hundreds of millions of $$ he’s made in his life to invest in drugs that are ahead of the testing.
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    Stop talking please.

    Thank you.

  32. RadioKev August 22nd, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN
    Not sure why Colon bothered issuing an apology that nobody will believe. He demonstrated again: The baseball crime of using PEDs still pays.
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    Do you have to surrender your year’s earning if you’re caught? You should. That could make a difference.

  33. NYYROC August 22nd, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    Finding out Jeter doped would be like finding out the Beatles didn’t really sing on their records.

  34. GoldGlove9486 August 22nd, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    In more important news, the Rays are already winning today.

  35. Chip August 22nd, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    RadioKev August 22nd, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN
    Not sure why Colon bothered issuing an apology that nobody will believe. He demonstrated again: The baseball crime of using PEDs still pays.
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    Why wouldn’t anyone believe his apology is sincere? I’m sure he’s sorry he got caught, I’m sure he’s sorry he let his teammates down by getting caught.

  36. Chip August 22nd, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    alright – moving away from Colon.

    If you’re the Rangers: Olt and Elvis Andrus for Justin Upton?

  37. Cashmoney August 22nd, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    if Olt is legit, no Chip. Olt would fill the spot of a declining Young. Plus, I am not sold on Upton’s ceiling.

  38. 86w183 August 22nd, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    If you’re the Rangers: Olt and Elvis Andrus for Justin Upton?

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    Nope. Assuming they lose Hamilton they need a CF. They’d be better off keeping those two and signing BJ Upton or Michael Bourn.

  39. kd August 22nd, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    my personal view is that the vast majority of players were using prior to testing. there was no testing, why wouldn’t they? guys would come back from the offseason putting on 25 lbs of muscle (nomar) and hit 35 hrs.

    once testing started at the average corner outfielder wasn’t hitting 30 hrs, i thought that a lot of players stopped.

    obviously i am biased but i never thought jeter was a steroid guy. his dad is a drug and alcohol counselor. andy shocked me. clemens not so much, arod either. manny and papi i just assumed were, especially papi.

    but here’s the thing, it’s easy to understand why a player would take roids. it’s the difference between league minimum and stardom (10 million + per year). if they ever found out a team was advocating the use of steroids, the backlash would be catastrophic. and i can’t imagine that team doctors didn’t know. i wonder if selig just doesn’t want that kind of info out there?

  40. austinmac August 22nd, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    I blame Nick in S.F. as all the steroid users are in the Bay area. It’s not “Nick” Conte by any chance, is it?

  41. blake August 22nd, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    Lol this makes sense…..another Bay area roid user.

    Also find JF’s “if you aint cheating you aint trying ” mindset on this stuff funny and find guys’s like Buster’s soap boxy reactions annoying.

    JF, since your here….which WAR do you prefer and why? I was reading about the different calculations yesterday and UZR with fangraphs seems to have the biggest affect defensively on the number……

    It just seems to me that when you can have three different grpups coming up with totally different numbers about a guys defense then you probably shpuldnt consider that accurate enough……thoughts?

  42. NYYROC August 22nd, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    Even though they may lose Hammilton & Napoli and Young has dropped off, I think they need SP more than hitting. If they trade those guys they need to get some SP back.

  43. JOE GIRARDI THE BRAIN GENIOUS August 22nd, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    Someone spiked Bartolo’s Chimichanga.

  44. Cashmoney August 22nd, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    if Jaso and Snider are still available, Yanks ought to look into it. the price might not be that steep. but the general idea is I like to see Cash look into others farm and see if he can pry away an young impact hitters or two. he has more info at his disposal then your average lohudder like me.

  45. Chip August 22nd, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Cashmoney August 22nd, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    if Olt is legit, no Chip. Olt would fill the spot of a declining Young. Plus, I am not sold on Upton’s ceiling.
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    They have Adrian Beltre at 3b and Moreland at 1b.

  46. blake August 22nd, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    “If you’re the Rangers: Olt and Elvis Andrus for Justin Upton?”

    Nah…..interesting though since they have profar….but Id keep the up the middle guys and Olt I think. Arizona would do that I think…

  47. RadioKev August 22nd, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    Also find JF’s “if you aint cheating you aint trying ” mindset on this stuff funny and find guys’s like Buster’s soap boxy reactions annoying.
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    I think the point is the incentives to cheat in the sport outweigh the disincentives.

  48. Cashmoney August 22nd, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    They have Adrian Beltre at 3b and Moreland at 1b.

    slot beltre to dh and play olt?

  49. Chip August 22nd, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    86w183 August 22nd, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    If you’re the Rangers: Olt and Elvis Andrus for Justin Upton?

    ***************************************************

    Nope. Assuming they lose Hamilton they need a CF. They’d be better off keeping those two and signing BJ Upton or Michael Bourn.
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    You lose Hamilton you can still make that trade and sign one of those guys

  50. Purenyyankee August 22nd, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    I sure hope Cano is not next. He has been lost in space for the last two weeks and looks very distracted.

  51. 86w183 August 22nd, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    It’s not “Nick” Conte by any chance, is it?

    *********************************

    Hmmm, come to think of it have they ever been seen together?

    I don’t know what percentage of ball players were using steroids or other illegal drugs. Going back to Bouton’s “Ball Four” he made it clear amphetamine use was commonplace. While those illegal PEDs didn’t lead to lotsa HR they undoubtedly contributed to hit totals and later career productivity.

    Many doubt or scoff at that, but if it wasn’t significant, why did baseball insist on including amphetamines in the testing program?

  52. austinmac August 22nd, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    I agree with KD on steroid use. Without strict testing, it is very easy to understand taking them when many you compete against are doing so and it could mean the difference in millions of dollars. People regularly do worse things for less money.

    I would like to know the percent usage in the heydey of it’s use of pitchers vs. position players who tested positive. It would be unsurprising if it was more pitchers since recovery of their body is more difficult.

  53. blake August 22nd, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    “I think the point is the incentives to cheat in the sport outweigh the disincentives.”

    I think for certain players the 50 games suspension is worth the risk…..so if they reqlly want to stamp this stuff out the first offense penalty needs to be stiffer

  54. DONNYBROOK August 22nd, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    Just a thought, but both Colon and Melky were currently employed in the Bay Area. Might still be a hot bed.

  55. DocTodd August 22nd, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    I hear his blood test came back positive for pizza sauce…..

  56. blake August 22nd, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Make the first offense a year ban without pay and thatll stop a lot of it…..

  57. Cashmoney August 22nd, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Blake, a 162 game ban won’t stop the lights of Melky and Colon if your career is in jeopardy in the first place. it may stop some though. no optimal solution to this. unless you try electric char.

  58. Shame Spencer August 22nd, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    I wanted Colon back :/ I really thought he was throwing that heat based on that crazy surgery.

    If I ever found out about Derek I’d be so, so sad.

  59. blake August 22nd, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    “Blake, a 162 game ban won’t stop the lights of Melky and Colon if your career is in jeopardy in the first place. it may stop some though. no optimal solution to this. unless you try electric char.”

    For some maybe not….but a year is a lot different than 50 games…..a lot harder to come back from and a lot more money cost..

  60. 86w183 August 22nd, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    I’d love to see the whole list of 103 players who tested positive in 2003, but I doubt the full list will ever be known.

  61. Shame Spencer August 22nd, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    Cashmoney August 22nd, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Blake, a 162 game ban won’t stop the lights of Melky and Colon if your career is in jeopardy in the first place. it may stop some though. no optimal solution to this. unless you try electric char.

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    Lol, fair point. I really just wish they would let them blood test under the condition that any non-performance enhancing drugs they might test positive for will be nonpunishable or something.

  62. blake August 22nd, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    “If I ever found out about Derek I’d be so, so sad.”

    Pretty much the only guy Id be really upset about……the Beattles comp earlier was really good…….

  63. kd August 22nd, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    let’s assume melky didn’t start using a few weeks ago, which is probably fair. he must have taken several tests this year. how come he only got caught recently?

    i don’t think the length if ban with stop some guys, they probably feel like they don’t have a choice

  64. blake August 22nd, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    “i don’t think the length if ban with stop some guys, they probably feel like they don’t have a choice”

    For players that are desperate maybe not…….maybe they should make the first offense a french kiss with Kevin Youkalis? Or 5 hours in a room listening to Bobby V talk?

  65. djsunyc August 22nd, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    colon probably clicked on the wrong link from the pizza hut website…

  66. NYYanksFan August 22nd, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    Of the last 10 players suspended- 6 position players, 4 pitchers.

    Skip Bayless questioned what Jeter might be doing this morning on ESPN so it already has happened but he says things to be controversial rather than believing what he says.

  67. Cashmoney August 22nd, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    first offense a french kiss with Kevin Youkalis?
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    LOL

  68. JOE GIRARDI THE BRAIN GENIOUS August 22nd, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    Cashmoney August 22nd, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    first offense a french kiss with Kevin Youkalis?
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    LOL
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    Yea that’s awful. Guys that are clean for 5 straight years should get a bonus kiss with Jeter. That would help guys not juice also.

  69. DONNYBROOK August 22nd, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    The Bayless “being controversial” is No excuse. That’s like yelling fire in a theatre with millions of people in it. Inexcusable. Oh I forgot, Jeet does Not play for the R\Sox.

  70. Don August 22nd, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    One thing is sure. These drugs really do enhance performance. They transformed Melky from an average hitter to one of the best in baseball.

  71. NYYanksFan August 22nd, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Rick Sutcliffe thinks PED policy offenders should be deported. What country US citizens would be sent to is still being negotiated.

  72. JOE GIRARDI THE BRAIN GENIOUS August 22nd, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    NYYanksFan August 22nd, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Rick Sutcliffe thinks PED policy offenders should be deported. What country US citizens would be sent to is still being negotiated.
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    Kenya

  73. Jerkface August 22nd, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    I like Baseball Reference WAR, just because of how they calculate for pitching and I think I liked the defensive metric they used. It would be good if someone came up with a way to average all the different defensive stats together to make a WAR component.

  74. Benny Blanco August 22nd, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    anyone still mad about cashman not bringing back colon?

    LOL

  75. Against All Odds August 22nd, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    like Buster’s soap boxy reactions annoying.

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    Buster and his peers turned a blind eye for yrs and then yrs later act as if they had no clue

  76. G. Love August 22nd, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    kd – Melky was caught well before the all star break. He’s been lying to baseball with his ridiculous website scheme delaying the proceedings for over a month or more.

  77. Jerkface August 22nd, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Melky was caught well before the all star break. He’s been lying to baseball with his ridiculous website scheme delaying the proceedings for over a month or more.

    They said he failed his test at the ASB. The only reason it took a month to come out was his appeal+website thing.

  78. Triple Short of a Cycle August 22nd, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    Rick Sutcliffe thinks PED policy offenders should be deported. What country US citizens would be sent to is still being negotiated.

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    Maybe we should get a comment from Luke Scott on the issue

  79. 86w183 August 22nd, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    At least Buster acknowledges that all of MLB endorsed the steroid era because “chicks dig the long ball” and that the handful or so that have been identified should bear the stigma and penalty for that entire period of baseball history.

    Sutcliffe has a point IF you can prove someone obtained steroids illegally, which I doubt they could. If it ever happened the MLBPA would immediately take steps to eliminate testing since it would in essence turn a drug test into criminal evidence against the individual.

    Who would agree to drug testing if there were criminal ramifications?

  80. GoldGlove9486 August 22nd, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Rays about to win again. Man, this is getting scary.

  81. Triple Short of a Cycle August 22nd, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    Sutcliffe has a point IF you can prove someone obtained steroids illegally

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    Has a point about what deportation? That doesn’t really jive with our constitution

  82. blake August 22nd, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    “It would be good if someone came up with a way to average all the different defensive stats together to make a WAR component.”

    Seems smart……

  83. DONNYBROOK August 22nd, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    Like MLB cares an iota about deporting these juicers. This is ALL PR.

  84. 86w183 August 22nd, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    I believe the law allows for foreigners on work Visas who commit crimes to be deported.

  85. 86w183 August 22nd, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    I think the idea, however is absurd.

    If those tests were ever used in a criminal investigation the union would put an end to testing in a heartbeat.

  86. DONNYBROOK August 22nd, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    I’m sure the INS is not gonna bust a gut to run-down a PED user.

  87. 86w183 August 22nd, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    I’m sure the INS is not gonna bust a gut to run-down a PED user.

    ***************************************************

    I agree. Would be a waste of time and resources. But you never know. Our government has been known to waste time and money once in a great while.

  88. Niblick August 22nd, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    The only effective sanction will be a sanction against the team of a player caught using. Make them forfeit their victories, like they do for NCAA rules infractions. That will get the attention of the people who are allowing this to continue (team management) and will put a quick end to PED abuse.

  89. DONNYBROOK August 22nd, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    Yea, but busting up the undocumented employed by Tyson and Walmart keeps them pretty busy.

  90. Triple Short of a Cycle August 22nd, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    The only effective sanction will be a sanction against the team of a player caught using. Make them forfeit their victories, like they do for NCAA rules infractions. That will get the attention of the people who are allowing this to continue (team management) and will put a quick end to PED abuse.

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    That’s like saying you would punish a kids’s parents for something their child did

  91. Jerkface August 22nd, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    Instead of coming up with more and more Byzantine punishments/rules, just legalize it.

  92. 86w183 August 22nd, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    There is only one sure deterrent — firing squad!

    Otherwise there will always be players in all sports looking for an edge, looking to get one more contract etc

  93. Niblick August 22nd, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    Triple – that’s not an apt analogy at all. These PED users are employees of the club, engaged in a business that makes millions of dollars.

  94. Jerkface August 22nd, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    Baseball teams are not Big Brother. Can’t be held accountable for all of the actions of their players.

  95. DONNYBROOK August 22nd, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    Kid throws a rock through a window. Who is ultimately gonna have to replace the window? Yep, the parents.

  96. Jerkface August 22nd, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    A baseball player throws a rock through a window. Who is ultimately going to have to replace the window? The player.

    I need to create a LOHUD fallacy-type description for all the really bad analogies you guys come up with.

  97. 86w183 August 22nd, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    I’v covered college sports my whole professional life. Other than coaches W/L records no one gives a crap about the NCAA voiding victories, NCAA appearances and such.

    Voiding professional team wins because one player peed purple is ridiculous.

    A longer initial suspension (100 games? 1 year?) might help. As would an official, permanent ineligibility for Cooperstown, a permanent ban from receiving multi-year contracts and giving the player’s team the right to void his current contract.

  98. blake August 22nd, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    The real question is how many kids could actually break the window without steroids?

  99. DONNYBROOK August 22nd, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    I would Not make a team forfeit games, but I would fine the heck outta the team, and set up a system for the $$$ to go to drug abuse foundations, etc. This is why I have NO use for LaRussa. He knew.

  100. NYYanksFan August 22nd, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    Every player is going to have a different level of deterent needed. A borderline major leaguer might be willing to chance a lifetime ban for one big payday where as a superstar might not be willing to face public ridicule.

  101. Duh Innings II August 22nd, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    waldo geraldo faldo August 22nd, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    The only thing that makes sense for Cano’s recent slump is that he is concerned about when his next drug test is coming. Would not surprise me at all if he was doping.

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    Yeah, a guy who has never hit more than 29 HR in a season is doping, ok.

    And Cano in a slump = Cano worried about being tested for PEDs.

    You’re an idiot.

    Every person who has written the word “Jeter” in this post is a !@#$%^& idiot, too.

    ‘Love how people get in a tizzy about MLB players being busted yet countless MLB fans cheat on their wives, husbands, and taxes, and gain unfair advantage over others on a day-to-day basis.

    Seriously, get off your high horses and stop throwing stones from your glass houses about players cheating.

  102. Jerkface August 22nd, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    Yeah, a guy who has never hit more than 29 HR in a season is doping, ok.

    I missed Melky’s 30 HR season. He wasn’t even on pace for one this year.

  103. Jerkface August 22nd, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    Steroids do not = instant HRs.

  104. Duh Innings II August 22nd, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    BTW Pete Rose should be in the Hall Of Fame because he was and still is a gambling addict i.e. he bet on baseball games because of his gambling addiction, not to besmirch the sanctity of the game.

  105. DONNYBROOK August 22nd, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    So are you also telling The Goose and Reggie to, “get off their high horse”? Some people actually want to see The Game played fair-and-square.

  106. bruceb August 22nd, 2012 at 3:35 pm

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    No need to panic just yet. But if we don’t take at least four out of six against Cleveland and Toronto (I have tonight’s game already in the loss column), PANIC!!!!!

  107. Duh Innings II August 22nd, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    Jerkface August 22nd, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    Yeah, a guy who has never hit more than 29 HR in a season is doping, ok.

    I missed Melky’s 30 HR season. He wasn’t even on pace for one this year.

    ———————————————

    I was replying to the idiot who thinks Cano might be doping because his friend Melky got busted.

    I can’t envision Cano doping cuz he hasn’t demonstrated enough power to make me think he is. His stats don’t show it.

  108. DONNYBROOK August 22nd, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    Had Rose admitted his addiction, and asked for mercy from the court, he would be in The Hall today. He did Not, and called Giamatti a “liar”. A lot of baseball people also feel Rose put Giamatti under intense stress, and contributed to his early death.

  109. waldo geraldo faldo August 22nd, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    I would be saddened and disheartened if Jeter or Mariano got caught. But the only reason Id be sad is because they got caught, not because they were using.

  110. Jerkface August 22nd, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    I can’t envision Cano doping cuz he hasn’t demonstrated enough power to make me think he is. His stats don’t show it.

    Power or stats are not a reliable indicator of doping. Plenty of guys who suck dope.

  111. Shame Spencer August 22nd, 2012 at 3:39 pm

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  112. waldo geraldo faldo August 22nd, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    I think Cano might be doping because he is dumb, lazy, and because of his 2 days off and subsequent struggles following the Melky news.

  113. UnKnown August 22nd, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    So probably a good chance Bartolo was using last year too.

    Didn’t he say some other sort of thing was the reason why he came back so strong?

  114. blake August 22nd, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    “Power or stats are not a reliable indicator of doping. Plenty of guys who suck dope.”

    But maybe theyd suck worse and not even stay in the game without them? I think they help some players more than others.

  115. Jerkface August 22nd, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    But maybe theyd suck worse and not even stay in the game without them? I think they help some players more than others.

    Maybe but you still wouldn’t be able to tell they were doping or not.

  116. Shame Spencer August 22nd, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    “Didn’t he say some other sort of thing was the reason why he came back so strong?”

    I thought he had that stem cell procedure.. When I saw the positive test I thought it was probably for something like HGH, where it would benefit his healing, but it looks like it wasn’t that at all.

  117. 86w183 August 22nd, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    The fact that Giammati was about 50 pounds overweight and smoked probably had something to do with his heart attack…. Rose, not so much.

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  119. UnKnown August 22nd, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Well the Rays look to have held serve by winning today. Barring a 9th inning comeback by the Royals.

    Hughes and the Yankees your turn.

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  122. Duh Innings II August 22nd, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    DONNYBROOK August 22nd, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    So are you also telling The Goose and Reggie to, “get off their high horse”? Some people actually want to see The Game played fair-and-square.

    ————————————

    No, I’m telling people who cheat and gain unfair advantages in their lives should get off their high horses. Perhaps Gossage or Jackson is one of them or both are. Let’s look into their lives.

    LOL at you capitalizing the game like it was God, some sacred, holy thing when it isn’t. Thanks for showing you are one of these high horse rides as I bet you did something that was unfair. I receive gift money from relatives which exceeds the amount I am supposed to report to the IRS and don’t report the money because I don’t consider it income considering I didn’t ask for much less expect to receive it. So yeah, I’m a cheater, too.

    How strange that Reggie slammed 39 HR the year after he left the Yankees at age 36 / late in his career and he hit 138 HR from age 36 to 42 in his final six seasons, only 33 HR less than he hit at ages 30 to 36.

    How come Gossage who wasn’t half the athlete or physical specimen Mariano Rivera is was able to throw three-inning saves?

    How come Comiskey wasn’t banned from baseball for life along with the Black Sox considering he was the owner of the Chicago White Sox before and during the 1919 baseball season? Would it be so far fetched to say that he was in on the fix? I don’t think so. Why not be in on the fix as he wins regardless of the outcome of the 1919 World Series? If his team wins, he makes more money and could give paycuts, raises, or leave everyone’s salaries as is. If his team loses, he makes more money if he give everyone a paycut as punishment for losing and the gate gross in 1920 was equal to or better than 1919.

    I just mentioned Rose to mention his entirely different situation because he was never busted much less investigated for fixing games he bet on.

  123. Duh Innings II August 22nd, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    Jerkface August 22nd, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    I can’t envision Cano doping cuz he hasn’t demonstrated enough power to make me think he is. His stats don’t show it.

    Power or stats are not a reliable indicator of doping. Plenty of guys who suck dope.

    —————-

    Huh??? Every major busted or accused player was given the press he was given because of his stats. Stats are the indicator – what else besides physical changes?

    Plenty of guys who rule dope – see A-Rod 2001-2003 and maybe even 2004-07 cuz look how he fell off after 2007 / his early-mid 30s.

    So if Casey McGhee who has had exactly one good year in MLB nearing age 30 (23 HR and 104 RBI in 2010) re-signs with the Yankees for 2013, hits 38 HR in 2013, re-signs with them for five years, and posts 35, 40, 37, 42, and 35 HR in that time, that wouldn’t be a reliable indicator of doping? GTFOH.

    Shame Spencer re: me being “Duh Innings II” – I can’t post as Duh Innings, but I’ll try to.

  124. austinmac August 22nd, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    I randomly decided to look at the Rays over the last 30 days. They have played 28 games, and their opponents have scored a total of 60 runs, or 2.14 per game. In the 28 games, they have had five shutouts and ten games where the opponent scored one run.

    That, my friends, is very scary. It’s not hard to win a lot of games when you give up one run or less i more than half of them.

  125. Duh Innings II August 22nd, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    waldo geraldo faldo August 22nd, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    I think Cano might be doping because he is dumb, lazy, and because of his 2 days off and subsequent struggles following the Melky news.

    ——————————————–

    I think you’re an idiot who has something against Cano.

    First off, a career .300+ hitter like Cano cannot be lazy, no how, no way. You don’t just bat .300 or better being lazy, sorry. Besides that he’s a Gold Glove winner and the second-best defensive player in the Yankees infield after Teixiera and on the team considering 2B is more difficult and complicated to play than the OF (which it is.)

    Second, how is he dumb? He needs days off cuz he’s human. The struggles after Melky are mere coincidence.

  126. RadioKev August 22nd, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Austinmac,

    We should just no hit them.

  127. austinmac August 22nd, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Kev,

    I’m for it. Can we sneak Felix over?

  128. Jerkface August 22nd, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Huh??? Every major busted or accused player was given the press he was given because of his stats. Stats are the indicator – what else besides physical changes?

    For every Melky there are 3 Alex Sanchezes or Matt LAwtons or Neifei Perezes

  129. waldo geraldo faldo August 22nd, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    “First off, a career .300+ hitter like Cano cannot be lazy, no how, no way. You don’t just bat .300 or better being lazy, sorry.”

    Fallacy. Also batting average is a fairly meaningless stat, FYI.

    “Besides that he’s a Gold Glove winner and the second-best defensive player in the Yankees infield after Teixiera”

    Gold gloves mean nothing. Rafael Palmeiro won a gold glove with 18 games played. Check Cano’s UZR, awful every year except this year.

  130. Wave Your Hat August 22nd, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    Who cares anyway? I’m much more concerned about the Yankee bullpen.

  131. Shame Spencer August 22nd, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Wave Your Hat August 22nd, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    Who cares anyway? I’m much more concerned about the Yankee bullpen.

    ———————–

    Yeah we need to get those guys on steroids! :twisted:

  132. blake August 22nd, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    I would be willing to risk 50 games suspensions for all our relievers …..give them all PEDs

  133. NYYanksFan August 22nd, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    Colon was supposed to pitch against the Rays tomorrow. They couldn’t wait until Friday to bust him!

  134. blake August 22nd, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    I hate the Rays

  135. Duh Innings II August 22nd, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    waldo geraldo faldo August 22nd, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    “First off, a career .300+ hitter like Cano cannot be lazy, no how, no way. You don’t just bat .300 or better being lazy, sorry.”

    Fallacy. Also batting average is a fairly meaningless stat, FYI.

    ———————-

    Yeah that’s why people are marvelling over Jeter’s near .330 BA this year not his near .370 OBP. Idiot.

    ———————————————————————

    “Besides that he’s a Gold Glove winner and the second-best defensive player in the Yankees infield after Teixiera”

    Gold gloves mean nothing. Rafael Palmeiro won a gold glove with 18 games played. Check Cano’s UZR, awful every year except this year.

    ————————-

    Gold Gloves mean nothing huh? So I guess the GGs Ozzie Smith and Omar Vizquel won mean nothing? LOL. Ozzie got in the HOF cuz of his GGs and I think Vizquel will get in cuz of his (getting to 2900 hits he’s just shy of should cement that.) Keep burying yourself in idiocy.

    Palmiero winning the GG at 1B over Tino was a joke and more a hatred of the dynasty Yankees than anything else.

    Keep espousing the ridiculous theory that Cano is lazy, dumb, and a cheat, but better yet, prove it. Try to use his whole career not a bad month when proving this theory.

  136. Warning Track Power August 22nd, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    Aardsma and his constant tweets continue to irritate me.
    Am I alone in this thought?

  137. blake August 22nd, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    “Aardsma and his constant tweets continue to irritate me.”

    No….I unfollowed him.

  138. Duh Innings II August 22nd, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Jerkface August 22nd, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Huh??? Every major busted or accused player was given the press he was given because of his stats. Stats are the indicator – what else besides physical changes?

    For every Melky there are 3 Alex Sanchezes or Matt LAwtons or Neifei Perezes

    ——————————–

    Right, but I’m not and was not talking about Melky, I was responding to the idiot who thinks Cano is lazy, dumb, and a cheater (or might be a cheater) when Cano is none of those things.

    Melky’s stats since last season are definitely an indicator of his cheating because he was a so-so hitter at best right before he posted those stats.

  139. kd August 22nd, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    the rays are a scary team. they’re starting to hit again, and their pitching is fantastic.

    i still think the yankees win the division. let’s hope it’s not close. with the second wild card, it’s a big advantage to come in first

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  141. mick August 22nd, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    Nova had a “shoulder grab” headed toward possible DL.
    Sucks, right again…something happened.
    Welcome David Phelps to the starting ro.

  142. Nick in SF August 22nd, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Maybe players who aren’t on the 25-man roster shouldn’t be included in the player tweet-tracker on this site.

    The exception would be Cervelli, because it’s interesting to gauge the perspective of a player who’s lived in a car since the end of Spring Training.

  143. Against All Odds August 22nd, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Nova has an issue with his shoulder going to be checked out…might be a DL canidate but too early to tell per Joe G on Francesa

  144. Benny Blanco August 22nd, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Nova headed to DL possibly per giradi.

  145. mick August 22nd, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    Most of these serial tweeters have too much time on their hands and little future with this team..

  146. mick August 22nd, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    Wonder how long Nova has been hiding this?
    These guys should be held accountable for hiding injuries as it impacts the team.

  147. Warning Track Power August 22nd, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    mick August 22nd, 2012 at 4:47 pm
    Nova had a “shoulder grab” headed toward possible DL.
    Sucks, right again…something happened.
    Welcome David Phelps to the starting ro.
    ——————————————————————————————————–
    WTF!!!
    When did this news surface? I just arrived here and have not caught up on all the daily news.

  148. Shame Spencer August 22nd, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    blake August 22nd, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    I would be willing to risk 50 games suspensions for all our relievers …..give them all PEDs
    ————————

    #TeamGreedy!

  149. blake August 22nd, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    DL him

  150. bruceb August 22nd, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    Nova shoulder injury. Call me a cynic but that’s a pretty good excuse to ease him out of the rotation.

  151. Against All Odds August 22nd, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    When did this news surface?

    —————

    roughly 5 mins ago

  152. Warning Track Power August 22nd, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    mick August 22nd, 2012 at 4:51 pm
    Wonder how long Nova has been hiding this?
    These guys should be held accountable for hiding injuries as it impacts the team.
    ————————————————————————————————————
    Players hide injuries for all the right reasons: They want to remain on the field and contribute.
    Their confidence is off the charts.

    More proof that pitchers and their shoulders/arms are so unpredictable!

  153. mick August 22nd, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    Something happened to get Phelps into the starting rotation .
    Now he will prove himself and Freddy will sit down for Andy.
    Something always happens…

  154. Shame Spencer August 22nd, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    Nova has been pitching terribly.. so giving him a reason to go down and rehab is probably a good thing.

  155. mick August 22nd, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    Players hide injuries for all the right reasons:
    =================
    You must mean the wrong , selfish reasons, right?
    They are hurting themselves and the team by pitching when they shouldn’t be.

  156. Shame Spencer August 22nd, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    mick August 22nd, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    Something happened to get Phelps into the starting rotation .
    Now he will prove himself and Freddy will sit down for Andy.
    Something always happens…

    ————–

    Anyone have a kitchen knife handy..?

  157. Duh Innings II August 22nd, 2012 at 4:59 pm

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    Had Rose admitted his addiction, and asked for mercy from the court, he would be in The Hall today. He did Not, and called Giamatti a “liar”. A lot of baseball people also feel Rose put Giamatti under intense stress, and contributed to his early death.

    —————————————–

    BS. Giamatti was a liar because Giamatti said Rose was tainting the game when Rose was, is, and probably always will be a gambling addict thus had no intention of besmirching the sanctity or integrity of the game. Rose didn’t even admit he was a gambling addict, so how the hell could anyone (perhaps including you) expect him to say he bet on games? You have no idea how much denial of addiction alters an addict’s perceptions. In his mind, what he did was normal, cool, alright, acceptable, or whatever.

    How assinine and disgraceful that people blamed Rose for Giamatti’s death when Rose had nothing to do with Giamatti’s death whatsoever.

    With that “Rose killed or helped kill Giamatti” logic Giamatti would’ve lived had he realized that we’re all human, humans make mistakes, everyone should be given a second chance for making one mistake, and just suspended Rose and gave Rose a second chance not banned him from the game for life.

  158. Duh Innings II August 22nd, 2012 at 5:05 pm

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    Nova shoulder injury. Call me a cynic but that’s a pretty good excuse to ease him out of the rotation.

    ——————————

    Yeah but wouldn’t it serve the Yanks better to move Nova to the bullpen (since it’s too late to demote him to AAA) than DL him, call up an unknown, and bump Garcia to the #4?

    What if Phelps stinks in his next start and the lead on TB is whittled down to one game which could happen the way the Rays and Yankees are playing? No Nova to return to the rotation.

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