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Postgame notes: “I’m not doing my job”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Aug 22, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Starts like this are becoming the norm for Ivan Nova, and tonight Joe Girardi was asked whether it’s a foregone conclusion that David Phelps will be the one pulled from the rotation if/when CC Sabathia comes off the disabled list in Cleveland.

“I mean, we haven’t talked about what we’re going to do,” Girardi said. “We’re not that far along. I told you, we got to wait to make sure CC is OK tomorrow before we make any decisions. … Our plan is for (Nova) to start.”

Not so long ago, after a similar rough start, Girardi was adamant that Nova’s spot in the rotation was secure. This time, Girardi didn’t indicate that Nova’s job was in doubt, but his commitment was not nearly as bold. At this point, Nova’s made eight starts since the All-Star break. In those starts, he’s 1-4 with a 7.28 ERA. The sample size is no longer tiny. It’s becoming a problem.

“I feel so bad that I got the lead one more time and I screwed up,” Nova said. “I’m really mad at myself right now. I’m not happy. I’m just mad. I’m not doing my job, and I don’t feel good about that.”

Girardi said it’s a matter of consistency. At times, Nova’s throwing good pitches down in the zone, but far too often he’s leaving balls up and over the plate.

“He’s never been a pinpoint control guy,” Russell Martin said. “But normally he keeps the ball down and then throws his breaking ball off that. I think that’s what’s happening right now, he’s just leaving some balls up and over the middle of the plate. … I think he trusts his ability. He might be getting a little frustrated out there, not getting the results that he wants. The effort’s there. He pitches with passion. He’s a competitor. He’s just not getting the results that he wants. Just got to keep fighting through it.”

Nova said he’s not worried about his spot in the rotation, but I can’t help wondering what the Yankees might have in mind if Andy Pettitte were healthy or if Joba Chamberlain were pitching well. Even with Pettitte still on the disabled list and Chamberlain struggling, Nova’s steady struggles must be cause for concern. At this point, Phelps is clearly out-pitching him, it’s just a matter of whether the Yankees would rather use Phelps to replace Nova in the rotation or to help the struggling bullpen.

“(Nova)’s struggled, no doubt,” Girardi said. “The second half he has struggled. He has not located like he did in the first half. His offspeed has not been consistent. We’ve just got to keep working at it. That ‘s all you can do. … He knows what he has to do. You see him make one good pitch. It’s consistency in your mechanics. He knows what he has to do.”

• Tampa Bay lost to the Royals, so the Yankees division lead remained at four games. “I never said that we were going to win by 10 games,” Girardi said before the game. “All along I said we’ve got a lot of work to do, and I really feel that. Am I surprised it’s gotten this close? Teams go through things. Teams get hot. Teams struggle. That’s why you play the 162.”

• If you’re looking for answers from Nova, keep looking. He doesn’t seem to have this figured out any better than any one else. “It seems like when I have men on base, that’s something I have to look at,” he said. “… It’s hard to say. I was looking at my videos and I don’t see anything (mechanical).”

• As the fifth inning unwound, Girardi chose to stick with Nova. “He’d given up two runs up to that point and hadn’t given up a lot of hits,” Girardi said. “The hits he’d given up were a triple and a home run, but if we go to the bullpen that early again, you start to run out of pitchers. … He’s still facing Youkilis (even if the bullpen were rested). That was the big hit.”

• The Youkilis at-bat: “That’s a situation where you’re trying to get ahead of the hitter,” Martin said. “And as soon as you get behind, you’re in a rough spot. Youkilis put a good swing on it. I didn’t think that ball was going to go, but it kinda carries over here. That was a big blow.”

• Nova allowed more runs tonight than in his four previous career starts against the White Sox combined.

• The Yankees have lost back-to-back games at this ballpark for the first time since 2008-09 when they lost four in a row. This will be the Yankees first losing road series since that four-game sweep in Oakland.

• Derek Jeter moved into sole possession of 11th place on baseball’s all-time hits list, passing Eddie Murray. He also hit his 29th career leadoff homer and his 252nd home run overall. That moved him into a tie with former manager Joe Torre for career homers.

• Each of the Yankees past 11 home runs have been solo shots, including tonight’s homers by Jeter and Martin.

• Mark Teixeira has a hit in 11 of his last 12 games, batting .319 with three home runs and eight RBI in that span.

• Nick Swisher has a hit in nine of his past 10 games and is hitting .368 with four homers and 12 RBI in that span.

• After that two-run first inning, Francisco Liriano shut down the Yankees to get his first win with the White Sox at U.S. Cellular Field. “We had some opportunities,” Girardi said. “He just made some big pitches when he had to. Our guys made him work. He was about at 100 after five innings. We made him work. We just weren’t able to get a lot of runs off of him.”

• Final word goes to Martin, speaking about Nova: “He was a bit erratic with his fastball. And for him, everything comes off the fastball. He’s always been a contact pitcher. His best breaking ball’s been his curveball, lately. When he’s been really good, he’s had both. He’s had a slider and his curveball. And he’s been better with his fastball. I’ve definitely seen him better than he was tonight, but he’s just going to have to battle through it.”

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110 Responses to “Postgame notes: “I’m not doing my job””

  1. Pat M. August 22nd, 2012 at 12:20 am

    Those whispers of concern that were heard in the Yankee Front Office this past winter are being realized now in July and August…..

  2. Tyler August 22nd, 2012 at 12:25 am

    The Yanks will make the playoffs. After that I’m not confident at all. I thought they could take the White Sox in a potential playoff series but now I question them against the Tigers, White Sox, and Rays. Plus the Angels if they sneak in. oy vey.

  3. G. Love August 22nd, 2012 at 12:26 am

    I’m officially worried about Nova and even more worried about who pitches games 3 & 4 in the post season.

    I don’t think sending Nova down is going to accomplish anything but if CC is healthy I think he should skip a turn and let Phelps start.

    Sometimes in baseball it’s about riding the hot hand and if Phelps, with his composure on the mound, can give quality starts the rest of the way he could find himself starting a game 3 or 4 in the post season depending on Andy’s health.

    The last thing we need is Hughes to be awful tomorrow but it seems lately that it’s all falling on him following Freddy and Nova.

    It’s hard to believe this is the same team that ran the Rangers out of the Bronx like they were playing the Mariners last week.

  4. Tyler August 22nd, 2012 at 12:30 am

    G Love-

    It’s definitely a concern. It’s scary depending on Andy (even if he is a legend) in the playoffs with maybe only a start or two to get back into things.

    When the Yanks are hitting on all cylinders they can absolutely beat every team in baseball. Just look at what they just did to Texas and when they swept Washington on the road earlier in the year. But they haven’t been able to be as consistent this year. My fear is going cold in the ALDS in that shorter series.

  5. fantasygame101 August 22nd, 2012 at 12:36 am

    Hughes and Nova basically have the same problem. They can not fix what is keeping them from being consistent. They are also both young and need guidance to make adjustment bec. they have shown that they can not do it by themselves.

  6. igotid88 August 22nd, 2012 at 12:52 am

    Clemens coming back gives me hope Mattingly will swing a bat.

  7. igotid88 August 22nd, 2012 at 12:59 am

    Right now the PS roster should be CC, Kuroda, Pettitte, and Hughes. If no Andy, then CC, Kuroda, Hughes, and Phelps.

  8. 98NYY August 22nd, 2012 at 1:05 am

    Philips deserves a starting spot. Nova not so much.

  9. 98NYY August 22nd, 2012 at 1:08 am

    Read Phelps

  10. Nick in SF August 22nd, 2012 at 1:40 am

    “I think there’s an even amount of road games left. I think 19 more”

    I hope most of those are against the Royals — or Jared Weaver. ;)

  11. igotid88 August 22nd, 2012 at 3:13 am

    Nick in SF says:

    August 22, 2012 at 1:40 am

    “I think there’s an even amount of road games left. I think 19 more”

    I hope most of those are against the Royals — or Jared Weaver.
    ————–

    I know 19 is not even. I meant equal amount of home and road

  12. MTU August 22nd, 2012 at 7:01 am

    Good morning.

    Let me start off by saying that I like a lot of things about Nova, and that I have generally supported him.

    That said I’d have to say I’m really disappointed in the way he has performed since the ASB.

    So much so that I think he needs a break. I agree w. G. love. Skip at least one start for Nova so he can get his mind right.

    If Phelps continues to succeed you have to think about continuing to let him have the ball.

    That would mean one of 2 things for Nova :

    A trip to the minors

    Or

    A place in the Pen

    Right now Ivan looks to be an excellent middle reliever.

    I hope he finds it because he has the talent and is a hard worker.

  13. St. Pete Yankee August 22nd, 2012 at 7:01 am

    Though he has on occasion pitched excellent starts, Nova has long been lucky with the run support he has received. In many of his starts, the Yanks scored six or more runs. And his extra base hits allowed stat this year is far and away the worst in the league. (And Hughes is second!)

  14. blake August 22nd, 2012 at 7:15 am

    The Yanks cant afford to fall back on the WC this year…..its not the same….its a one game sudden death match….

    So what that means is that you can keep throwing Nova out there in the name of development if hes getting hammered and somebody else is pitching better…..they just dont have that luxury anymore….doesnt mean youre givijlng up on Nova….but they have to win games now.

    That said…..if they can win tonight they will have went throufh this very tough stretch of games and went 6-4 and lost at most one game in the standings…..the schedule softens after today for a few games so hopefully they can take advantage.

    Go Hughes….step up!

  15. MTU August 22nd, 2012 at 7:17 am

    Nova is plagued by inconsistent command of his FB.

    It seems to be an ongoing issue. I’m actually surprised by the amount of difficulty he continues to have locating.

    I thought he had it behind him.

    If you compare the Pitcher of earlier in the season w. the one post ASB it’s like you have Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

    There is no doubt that Nova has the Makeup and talent to be very successful. Even dominating. He’s proved that over and over again.

    The inconsistency might be a permanent feature. I’m not quite sure yet but I’m certainly leaning that way right now.

    If it turns out that is the essential Ivan Nova I’d trade him at some point while he still has value.

    The Yankees should see what they have in Phelps as long as he continues to perform well.

  16. MTU August 22nd, 2012 at 7:21 am

    Blake-

    I agree that there is a fine line between the need to win and the development of young Pitchers.

    Very tricky. Tough to balance out.

    Schedule does improve after this rough stretch.

    CC needs to get back to being CC.

    For now I would skip at least one of Nova’s starts and insert Phelps.

    I’d evaluate what to do from there.

    Gotta hope AP makes it back to help out for the Playoffs.

  17. blake August 22nd, 2012 at 7:27 am

    MTU,

    What I see with Nova is that hes lost his sinker and thats really hurting his ability to keep thr ball down….hes never had great command….but when he had downard movement it negated that a little……

    I dont know if hes throwing more 4 seamers or if its just a mechanical thing thats flattening the ball out….but I dont see that natural sink much anymore…..you see pretty straight fastballs up and in the middle of the plate that are just staying on plane rather than moving downward…….Nova throws hard but he has virtually no deception in that delivery and guys clearly see the ball well ot of his hand….

    So the command needs to improve…..but IMO he really needs to get that fastballl moving again

  18. blake August 22nd, 2012 at 7:28 am

    MTU,

    Yea Id probably skip his next start as well….

  19. MTU August 22nd, 2012 at 7:37 am

    Thanks for your take Blake.

    Couldn’t watch last night’s game but I saw the result.

    Right now Phelps seems to be the best of the lot, i.e. Phelps, Nova, Hughes, and Freddy.

    It would be good to know if he can sustain his success over a larger sample.

    He might or might not get exposed but he has already manged to compete against 2 of the toughest hitting lineups in baseball.

    Nova might profit from a blow. Possibly even Hughes.

    Maybe use Phelps to fill in and see how he responds.

    Evaluate what to do from there.

    Object now is to make a strong push in Sept.

    Drive for the finish line.

  20. blake August 22nd, 2012 at 7:44 am

    MTU,
    Getting CC back will help things…both rotation and pen hopefully

  21. MTU August 22nd, 2012 at 7:47 am

    Blake-

    Yup.

    If it weren’t for the excellent depth and guys like Kuroda we’d be sunk.

    Kuroda has been a Godsend.

  22. blake August 22nd, 2012 at 7:52 am

    Yes….I really hope they can bring Kuroda back.

  23. blake August 22nd, 2012 at 7:56 am

    So they are gonna shut Strasburg down but theyll bring him back after an hour rain delay? Ok……

  24. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2012 at 7:58 am

    Good morning

    Saw very little of the game. Watched Nova wiggle out of trouble in the bottom of the 2nd after giving up a run. Saw the bottom of the 4th when Dunn lined out into the shift, Konerko homers, Rios hits a liner to deep left field and Pierzynski lines out to Tex.

    I had a bad feeling after watching that inning that he was going to give up more runs.Turned it back on just in time to see the Youkilis GS and then turned it off the rest of the night.

    I guess I wasn’t a good supporting fan last night!

    Yankees are 72-51. If they play around .500 and finish up 20-19 that’s a 92-70 season. That might not even get them in the playoffs.

  25. MTU August 22nd, 2012 at 8:00 am

    YT-

    I see no way the Yankees will play .500 ball the rest of the way.

    That would be super pessimistic IMO.

  26. 86w183 August 22nd, 2012 at 8:03 am

    Morning sports fans —-

    Nova has no command of his fastball and I think the best place to get it back is Scranton.

    Send him down and make him throw 75 % fastballs until he regains command. Two weeks won’t kill him.

    Would like to replace Eppley in the bullpen too, but Wade has been getting hit pretty hard down there.

    Tampa Bay drew just over 20,000 combined the last two nights. They either need a new stadium on the East side of Tampa Bay or a completely new location.

  27. MTU August 22nd, 2012 at 8:10 am

    86-

    I don’t have a problem w. your Rx for Nova as long as Phelps can get it done in his absence.

    I’d skip at least one start as G. Love has suggested.

    I’d rather give Warren another shot in relief than see more of Eppley.

    Pathetic that Tampa fans don’t support such a good team.

    If I were them I would have been gone like yesterday.

  28. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2012 at 8:10 am

    Nova-” I was looking at my videos and I don’t see anything (mechanical).”

    I wonder what Rothschild thinks?

    How many times have you seen the Yankees give Nova, Garcia, and to some extent Hughes a lead and watch them “cough” it up the next inning?

    Nova-You’re averaging 5 runs of support each and every time you pitch. Same with Hughes, and 5.5 runs for Garcia. Can’t you all just watch our new Ace Kuroda and see what he does to shut down the opposing team knowing he won’t be getting the run support you all get[It was 3.86 and dropping last time I checked]

  29. Benny Blanco August 22nd, 2012 at 8:11 am

    Dewayne wise is now a Yankee killer. Smh.

  30. MTU August 22nd, 2012 at 8:11 am

    YT-

    You’re out of date.

    Hiroki’s ERA is under 3.

  31. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2012 at 8:17 am

    MTU & 86w183-

    It’s not only Eppley. From an article yesterday in It’s About the Money”

    Then along came Joba Chamberlain. Joba was supposed to be a godsend. His big arm would ride into the corral and rescue the flagging bullpen. Reports out of the minors were that he was throwing gas and Yankee fans had visions of the 2007 Joba. It hasn’t happened. Chamberlain has had no confidence in his fastball and when he does throw it, the pitch gets whacked somewhere in a hurry. Joba has a 2.85 WHIP and has given up two homers, fifteen hits and four walks in his six-plus innings thus far. Ouch. There is no way Girardi can use Joba in any meaningful situations and at best, Joba should be the last guy in the bullpen pitching only in mop up duty.

    Cody Eppley has been charming. But reality is setting in. Since the start of the second half, his ERA is close to five and his WHIP is over 1.9. Of course, Eppley is a ground ball/contact guy and BABIP is everything for a guy like that. Eppley’s BABIP in the second half is .462. That is either extremely unlucky or too much solid contact.

    Clay Rapada, meanwhile, has been hit to the tune of .314 in the second half and has a BABIP of .370. To be fair to Rapada, it seems that every one of his runners he leaves on base scores due to the relievers that come after him. Rapada has one job, to get lefties out. He can still do that job but needs the other relievers to step up when he doesn’t.

    Ah…and Boone Logan. The relief pitcher reviled by most Yankee fans. The problem with Logan comes if he is exposed too long in an outing. Give him the tough lefty batter in the big spot and he’ll get the job done. He will strike out those Adam Dunns and David Ortizes. But as soon as he has to pitch more than a few batters, he is exposed and last night was a great example.

  32. Villa Nova-Ya August 22nd, 2012 at 8:17 am

    MTU -

    I am usually an optimistic sort. But since the ASB, the Yankees really have hovered around .500, haven’t they? They have hovered around 20-23 games over .500, without adding to that, never getting over 25 (I think they hit 25 over once).

    It is entirely possible that they will play .500 ball for the rest of the way. They don’t or can’t sustain their good games into streaks – and not just flat out winning streaks, but streaks of taking series.

    Basically, the pitching is not holding up. That’s the simple explanation.

    This team usually does as well on the road as it does at home, but since that trip to Oakland, I don’t think it’s as evenly played.

    They haven’t been able to come back to win a game in the 8th or 9th inning at all this season (though they have come back in earlier innings). They have rallied in the 8th or 9th inning several times, but either fall short, or tie only to lose in the 9th or 10th.

    What I’m holding onto is the hope that they can maintain from now on, and have their hot streak in the post season. I mean, in years past, they’ve played well down the stretch only to get the chill in October. Maybe this year will be different in that way.

    They also need Cano to get out of his funk. It’s getting disturbing to see him look so lost.

    Also, I don’t care how they play anyone in the regular season. Years past they’ve owned teams in the regular season only to lose to them in the playoffs. So, to me there is no correlation between how they play a team now and how they may play a team in October (Detroit, Cleveland, come to mind).

    I am crossing my fingers that they are the actual division winner. Because if they end up in that one-game playoff? Not feeling so good about what will happen.

  33. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2012 at 8:20 am

    MTU-

    Not Kuroda’s ERA[2.96]-I’m referring to the average run support the Yankees give him. Am I missing something?

  34. Villa Nova-Ya August 22nd, 2012 at 8:23 am

    Yankee Trader -

    Spot on about the failure of those pitchers to have a shut-down inning following the Yankees’ scoring.

    Look, I think they still have another run in them that can keep them in first, but I’m pretty sure I’m basing that on the fact that they have the talent and they’ve showed a lot of “heart” in the face of a injuries, and a bench that just won’t quit, but mostly because I’m a fan and I have to think that!

    But I worry about when they play Tampa in Tampa. That entire first series of the season still haunts me.

  35. blake August 22nd, 2012 at 8:24 am

    I dont see anything with Nova’s delivery either really…..maybe its a grip issue thats causing the ball to not sink anymore….I dunno….maybe the league has just adjusted to him……we’ll see

  36. GoldGlove9486 August 22nd, 2012 at 8:24 am

    Villa Nova, you hit it right on the head. I’m still terrified of the six games left with the Rays and their stellar pitching staff.

  37. MTU August 22nd, 2012 at 8:27 am

    YT-

    You really laid it out there.

    I’m not nearly as pessimistic.

    I believe the pitching will improve due to CC’s return.

    Nova, Hughes, or Freddy can be temporarily replaced by Phelps.

    At some point AP should make his grand entrance.

    The schedule should ease up some.

    All of those things combined w. expanded rosters should make for a
    strong push in Sept.

    The Pen will less exposed as the Rotation solidifies once again.

    If you don’t like Rapada let’s see if Feliciano can pull a Marte.

    Warren or Ortiz might also be able to help.

    If the Yankees want to go far they need to wind up as the division winner.

    I think they can hang on. At least I hope so.

    ;)

  38. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2012 at 8:27 am

    Villa-

    Good morning. Your post voiced all of my concerns.

    The bullpen is finally being exposed. For the month of August, Hughes, Garcia, Nova have averaged 6 innings or less every time they take the mound. Phelps too, but he is on a pitch count.

  39. MTU August 22nd, 2012 at 8:29 am

    Phelps wont be on a pitch count any longer.

  40. blake August 22nd, 2012 at 8:30 am

    Yanks just have to maintain here….they have a 4 game lead and 10 of their final 13 games are against either the Twins or Blue Jays. They need to take advantage of the next two series and try to get that lead back up in the 5 or 6 range as the calendar turns to September

  41. MTU August 22nd, 2012 at 8:32 am

    Right now we need more Hiroki’s and less Ivan’s.

    Simple as that.

    Overall SP performance has to improve.

  42. disco stu August 22nd, 2012 at 8:36 am

    Blake – I agree totally …

    Nova is no longer part of formula that helps this team achieve its goal … he is a major detriment. He is continually given huge leads and blows most of them – the start a few weeks ago against the Orioles where he blew a 5 run first inning lead and was out of the game with the Yankees behind 8-5 after 3 innings was the last straw for me.

    I see him as being the exact opposite as he was last year … he was a terrific a year ago at getting out of tough situations by making quality pitches and really elevating his game. This year, he seems to only be effective when he is mowing down hitters but once rallies start and runs start scoring, everything snowballs … reminds me a lot of A.J. Burnett from 2010 and 2011.

    I really hope that once CC is back, Nova (and not Phelps) goes into the pen. The Yankees as many quality down the stretch as they can get if they want to hold on and win the division.

  43. blake August 22nd, 2012 at 8:36 am

    Im not afraid of the Rays….I want to squash them like thr pests they are. Seriously….they arent going to keep up the pace they have been…..they Yanks need to take care of their own business ….they do that and theyll be fine.

    I am concerned with the middle relief and with the offense aginast lefties until Alex gets back….wish they coukd get a legit reliever and legit RH bat somewhere but oh well….kinda is what it is now.

  44. blake August 22nd, 2012 at 8:40 am

    “Nova is no longer part of formula that helps this team achieve its goal”

    Im not ready to say hes not long term…..but for this year hes been bad for awhile now….not a small sample any longer and as Ive said you cant fall back on the WC anymore….cant afford to lose winnable games.

    They need to do what they need to do to ensure they hang on to this division lead…..thats not giving up on Nova….its just doing whats necessary.

  45. blake August 22nd, 2012 at 8:42 am

    Not saying they should do this…..but Nova coukd probably be a decent reliever given that he can K guys….the minor league season doesn’t last a lot longer so I doubt theyd me a ton of benefit from sending him down now.

    I think you either stick with him in the rotation or see if he coukd help in the pen.

  46. Villa Nova-Ya August 22nd, 2012 at 8:43 am

    Gold Glove -

    It’s not the pitching staff I worry about most with Tampa – they do seem to be able to hit them well enough. Even in that first series, the problem was not that they didn’t hit the ball. IT WAS THE DARN SHIFT that Maddon uses against at least a third of the lineup!!!!

    The bullpen for the Yankees, and specifically, the way Girardi has really done a very good job in managing the bullpen, has been outstanding most of the year. He had guys doing things they never expected to do. But they’ve been one guy short almost the entire year. And that was okay as long as Hughes and Nova were going into the 7th inning. But now they they are not, combined with Garcia never being expected to go into the 7th, it is difficult to sustain the level of success they’ve had.

    It’s funny, because i always read “overexposed” or “being exposed” as a negative. In that, well, because they’re pitching so much they’re being exposed as not being good. But that’s not the case, really. They are good. But it’s just the more you’re out there, the more you’re “exposed” to the possibility of not having a good day. I don’t think Girardi overuses anyone. It’s just you can’t expect a bullpen to go three or four days in a row being perfect. When you do get that, it’s a bonus.

    Is there a better arrangement of the starting rotation that could save the bullpen? Break up CC and Kuroda?

    I do think they are going to have to have Nova skip a start and try Phelps in there once CC comes back. I don’t think they have much choice given the standings in the AL East.

  47. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2012 at 8:43 am

    MTU-

    I voiced my concerns about the bullpen over a month ago. Joba was coming back and everyone felt it would be fine.

    I’m not being pessimistic, or at least not trying to be, but what help is in the minors?

    Wade has gotten rocked lately. Whelan[no-he's been on the DL]
    lefty Juan Cedeno?

    There are a few pitchers who have probably cleared waivers but you wouldn’t want them-like Shawn Camp and Carlos Marmol or Heath Bell.

    Feliciano averaged over 90, that’s ninety, appearances the last two years as a Met, and who knows how many times he was warming up but not called.

    Unless he had platelet rich plasma, stem cells, and a great rehab, I think there’s very little left in that arm, and he continues to be one of the worst relief pitching signings the Yankees have made-$8M + medical benefits!

  48. Shame Spencer August 22nd, 2012 at 8:43 am

    Really need Hughes to come out strong tonight.. These guys do realize they’re still auditioning for something right?

  49. 86w183 August 22nd, 2012 at 8:44 am

    There are also 6 Tampa/Baltimore games to go… someone has to lose those games.

    The lesser part of the pen has been a disaster of late. That’s in large part because they’ve been used too much as starters don’t do their jobs.

    Hope Girardi notices and stops situational switching for a while. It hasn’t worked for a few weeks now.

  50. Villa Nova-Ya August 22nd, 2012 at 8:45 am

    And I’m not counting on Andy.

    That was the worst injury of the season IMO.

  51. Villa Nova-Ya August 22nd, 2012 at 8:47 am

    86w183 -

    I’m hoping when they get to expand the rosters in September that there will be relief for the relief staff in the number of extra arms that could be made available. But that’s 9 days away….

  52. Shame Spencer August 22nd, 2012 at 8:48 am

    For a team so rich in pitching it is a bit surprising we have so many question marks going into the next month… we can’t even speculate about a post season rotation until we’re sure CC is right and see whether or not Andy can be a factor.

  53. Mike Ri August 22nd, 2012 at 8:48 am

    Hughes has to step up tonight !

  54. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2012 at 8:49 am

    Phelps wont be on a pitch count any longer.
    ————————————–

    No he won’t because the Yankees are likely to put him back in the pen when he clearly has the tools and demeanor to start-4 quality pitches with movement, great pick-off move, works fast.

  55. MTU August 22nd, 2012 at 8:50 am

    YT-

    I hear you and I give you extra credit for having been concerned the Pen from way back when.

    Perhaps if you had Cashman’s ear he would have listened.

    :)

    That said, I gave you at least 2 guys from the Minors who might be able to help even if you believe Feliciano can’t.

    Warren and Ortiz.

    When Playoff time comes others will will wind up there, i.e. Phelps, Nova, or Hughes.

    The SP needs to start giving length and quality again.

    CC starts that process, and maybe Phelps as well.

    The roster expansion also adds to our strength.

    Keep your chin up. I don’t think it’s as bad as it seems.

    ;)

  56. MTU August 22nd, 2012 at 8:54 am

    YT-

    Let’s see what happens w. Phelps.

    I hope you’re wrong for a change.

    By the way, I may need to e-mail you later. Could possibly use your expertise in an another area.

    Please keep an eye out.

    Thanks.

  57. blake August 22nd, 2012 at 8:54 am

    “The lesser part of the pen has been a disaster of late. That’s in large part because they’ve been used too much as starters don’t do their jobs.”

    Eh…I think thats part of it…but primarily I just think there isnt a ton of talent out there and guys are starting to turn into pumpkins……you have. soriano, Robertson…..and a recovering Joba……then a bunch of spare parts. hopefully Joba can find it because they need him to pretty badly.

  58. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2012 at 8:56 am

    Hughes has to step up tonight!
    ————————–

    Based on his prior sucess vs the WS, with these attached stats he will bring it:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....hil-hughes

    However the Yankees will have to score runs off one of the best lefties in the AL, Chris Sale, who gives up very few homers.

  59. MTU August 22nd, 2012 at 8:56 am

    Blake-

    Don’t count on it.

    It took Joe Nathan a whole year to get his command back to where it needed to be.

  60. Shame Spencer August 22nd, 2012 at 8:57 am

    blake August 22nd, 2012 at 8:54 am

    “The lesser part of the pen has been a disaster of late. That’s in large part because they’ve been used too much as starters don’t do their jobs.”

    Eh…I think thats part of it…but primarily I just think there isnt a ton of talent out there and guys are starting to turn into pumpkins……you have. soriano, Robertson…..and a recovering Joba……then a bunch of spare parts. hopefully Joba can find it because they need him to pretty badly.

    ———————–

    I tend to agree with this. I knew we’d survive the season without Mo but we’re at the point in the season where you’ll really start to see how much it will have an impact.

  61. 86w183 August 22nd, 2012 at 8:58 am

    I agree, there’s not much potential help at Scranton.

    The key is getting guys back to where they were. That’s coaching and that’s guys stepping and getting it done. If the Yanks’ pen is going to be good Joba has to be better and Logan has to be better.

  62. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2012 at 8:58 am

    MTU-

    Will do. I’ll be out and about for a while later this morning.

  63. Shame Spencer August 22nd, 2012 at 8:58 am

    Trader – I thought Nova had good numbers against the WS as well :(

  64. MTU August 22nd, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Thanks YT.

    I appreciate that.

  65. austinmac August 22nd, 2012 at 9:01 am

    Phelps has pitched very well. Nova has only had one good start in a good while. I don’t see the reason not to put Nova in the pen and Phelps in the rotation. Nova has pitched there before. Maybe he could help fill the middle inning need.

  66. MTU August 22nd, 2012 at 9:02 am

    Mac-

    At least give him a 1 game blow and see how Phelps fares again.

    Evaluate from there.

    By the way, when are we going to Wells-Gray ?

    :)

  67. JM August 22nd, 2012 at 9:06 am

    From Feinsand interview with Andy:

    “It seemed like things don’t work out like you envision them in life. I figured coming in here I’d pitch this year and fully exhaust myself of whatever I had left in me as far as for baseball or whatever. And as of this moment right now, I want to pitch more right now than I did when I first came to the big leagues.”

    Sounds like he may want to come back

  68. Shame Spencer August 22nd, 2012 at 9:07 am

    “Sounds like he may want to come back”

    He’s gonna want a raise.

  69. MTU August 22nd, 2012 at 9:08 am

    JM-

    I’m not surprised considering the results he has been getting.

  70. austinmac August 22nd, 2012 at 9:08 am

    MTU,

    I agree. Give Phelps a start, see how it goes while giving Nova a bit of time.

    Is this morning too late to head to Wells Gray? It is an incredible looking place.

  71. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2012 at 9:10 am

    That said, I gave you at least 2 guys from the Minors who might be able to help even if you believe Feliciano can’t.

    Warren and Ortiz.
    ———————————-
    MTU-

    My Chin is up. As for keeping my eye out, that I’m not about to do.

    Both those guys are starters. The poster-”JOE GIRARDI THE BRAIN GENIOUS” agrees with you and feels Ramon Ortiz should be brought up now.

  72. MTU August 22nd, 2012 at 9:12 am

    Mac-

    Sorry. I’m kinda busy w. Family matters right now but I sure would love to see that territory and do some photography of the area.

    I was very impressed w. what I saw.

    How could you not be.

    :)

  73. JOE GIRARDI THE BRAIN GENIOUS August 22nd, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Nova sucks, let’s trade him in a package for King Felix.

  74. MTU August 22nd, 2012 at 9:13 am

    YT-

    Who cares ?

    Starters are sometimes even more effective in relief.

    ;)

  75. JOE GIRARDI THE BRAIN GENIOUS August 22nd, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Nova/Banuelos/Romine/Nunez/Eppley/Austin for the King

  76. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Shame-

    Good morning. Ivan Nova’s stats vs the WS during the regular season are attached. Not nearly as good as Hughes. Nova has given up homers to Youkilis and Konerko before.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/...../ivan-nova

  77. Shame Spencer August 22nd, 2012 at 9:19 am

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS

    strasburg enjoying pennant race, says he “has a lot more left in the tank,” as @DKnobler reports. http://cbsprt.co/Qozsjx

  78. 86w183 August 22nd, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Ortiz is a really old journeyman type. I’m okay with Warren possibly getting another chance though it was sad to watch him mess on himself the last time.

  79. MTU August 22nd, 2012 at 9:21 am

    86-

    We’re talking about a relief role.

    Think that makes a difference.

  80. Shame Spencer August 22nd, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Trader – Ah, I thought he had more success there. I would like nothing more than for Hughes to take the bull by the horns in this race and string together a few quality starts. (Ironically, on some level I’m hoping Nova does the same! #TeamGreedy!)

  81. Chip August 22nd, 2012 at 9:27 am

    So, after hearing about Clemens joining the Skeeters and the slew of former players there – the pitching staff includes:

    Heath Phillips
    Tim Redding
    Jason Lane
    Scott Kazmir

    I decided to take a look at some of the other Indy League rosters:

    Colin Curtis – after being released by the Yankees – joined the Somerset Patriots where he plays with: Chase Wright, Andy Sisco, Freddy Bynum and Sean Green (the pitcher not the OF)

    The Camden Riversharks feature Pedro Feliz and Delwyn Young along with pitcher Brian Corey.

    Timo Perez is the only Long Island Duck I recognize

    John Halama is a member of the Lancaster Barnstormers

    The once immortal Shea Hillenbrand joins Joey Gaithright, Juan Rincon and Luis Lopez as Bridgeport Bluefish

    There’s another team – the York Revolution, but I don’t recognize any of their names.

  82. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2012 at 9:28 am

    Shame-

    Right now I’m on Team Please Get Healthy, but I’m a sure bet for Team Greedy in the offseason! :)

  83. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2012 at 9:30 am

    Chip-

    Thanks for that interesting post. Anyone there that Cashman should call?

  84. 86w183 August 22nd, 2012 at 9:31 am

    MTU — I know.

    Ortiz probably would do okay in a long role. Just odd to have the # 1 starter in Scranton a 39-year-old. Warren I’m not sure about but you can’t write him off based on that one lousy start even though it was really lousy as evidenced by his 23.14 ERA.

  85. Chip August 22nd, 2012 at 9:33 am

    Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2012 at 9:30 am

    Chip-

    Thanks for that interesting post. Anyone there that Cashman should call?
    ——————

    Only if Bynum and Gaithright still have their jets and he thinks the Yankees need a PR.

  86. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2012 at 9:36 am

    If Sabathia pitches on Monday, who’s going down?

    Joba
    Nova
    Eppley-I believe he has options

  87. Shame Spencer August 22nd, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Trader – It’s all good, the team is here whenever you’re ready to jump aboard!

  88. blake August 22nd, 2012 at 9:38 am

    “I tend to agree with this. I knew we’d survive the season without Mo but we’re at the point in the season where you’ll really start to see how much it will have an impact.”

    Yea…Mo’s loss is being felt now….just not as much in the 9th inning…..its the trickle down thats really hurting.

    Love Andy….but if he wants to come back he will have to be reasonable on the money…..cause the last two seasons hes pitched hes missed big chunks of them…this time was a fluke thing being hit by the ball.

    That said….the Yanks can afford him and Kuroda in 2013 and if both those guys want to pitch they better let them…..heck if Freddy wants to come back again for 5 million then Id let him to…….pitching depth wins divisions

  89. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2012 at 9:41 am

    Shame-

    I believe Team Greedy is more than outspending the competition-correct?
    If it would help the Yankees now to get into the playoffs as the #1 seed, by being a member of Team Greedy now, count me in! :)

  90. Bo knows August 22nd, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Just throwing this out there – Rothschild is known for his SO pitching theories. Does his teaching involve one size fits all or something? I swear I saw two ground balls yesterday, the rest were fly balls and liners. Maybe the problem is in the coaching. Where’s the sinker?

  91. Shame Spencer August 22nd, 2012 at 9:46 am

    “the Yanks can afford him and Kuroda in 2013 and if both those guys want to pitch they better let them…..heck if Freddy wants to come back again for 5 million then Id let him to…….pitching depth wins divisions”

    Do we already control Freddy for next year? I thought we inked him to a 2 year deal but could be wrong. I’d welcome all 3 back as well. No one from AAA (aside from Phelps) is knocking at the door and if you resign Andy you’re assuming he won’t play the full season. Resigning KURODA is a must, IMO. I hope they make it a top priority. Love his stuff, his demeanor, and the results.

  92. Shame Spencer August 22nd, 2012 at 9:47 am

    Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2012 at 9:41 am

    Shame-

    I believe Team Greedy is more than outspending the competition-correct?

    ——————-

    That’s correct, Trader. Team Greedy is about more than just outspending.. its about unapologetic domination.

  93. Doc Iac August 22nd, 2012 at 9:47 am

    i was talkin to my friend last offseason and said they should trade high on nova, i said i thought he pitched well but had alot of luck,

    the season he started well and told me to eat my words, and i was like i guess i was wrong.

    now, doesnt seem so wrong

  94. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2012 at 9:50 am

    Blake-

    Right now the Yankees have as their starting staff for next season Sabathia, Nova, Hughes, and Phelps. Pineda will not be ready to contribute and quite frankly at this point I hope he shines in ST, so that he can be included in a trade for Justin Upton! Poor conditioning and now a DUI at 2:30 AM on a major road in Tampa, where another person/persons could have been seriously injured.

    This man needs to grow up!

    Kuroda for sure
    Pettitte if he comes back and shines
    Garcia No

  95. Chip August 22nd, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Trader -

    I wouldn’t pen Phelps into the rotation for next year just yet. Remember, this could be another Hector Noesi situation where they look at a guy with an iffy ceiling and decide to trade him while the value is at it’s highest.

    I also don’t think Kuroda is a lock to return. He’s getting older and may opt to walk away.

  96. Jerkface August 22nd, 2012 at 9:55 am

    Does his teaching involve one size fits all or something? I swear I saw two ground balls yesterday, the rest were fly balls and liners. Maybe the problem is in the coaching. Where’s the sinker?

    He does emphasize strike outs, but I’m not sure he is doing something 1-size fits all that would result in lessened GB. It would have to be forcing the team into pitching up in the zone and abandoning 2 seamers and what not.

    I don’t really see evidence of that. CC, Andy, and Kuroda are having no trouble with their GB rates.

  97. Jerkface August 22nd, 2012 at 9:58 am

    A GB/SO pitcher is the best kind of pitcher as well, so I don’t think Rothschild would try to take guys away from that. He gave Nova the slider, or atleast helped him hone it, and that is a great GB and SO pitch.

  98. 86w183 August 22nd, 2012 at 9:59 am

    I’d be stunned if Kuroda didn’t return. He seems to be enjoying it and he’s had a lot of success.

    I would assume Pettitte after a year like this will walk (limp?) away. I’m pretty much done with Freddie so unless there is a major deal we may be looking at CC, Kuroda, Hughes, Nova, Phelps/Warren.

  99. longtimefan August 22nd, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Girardi–”We made him work” in reference to Liriano–very prophetic Joe how did that work out for you! He made pitches when he needed to and Nova didn’t–SOS–hopefully CC returns strong but you still have only 2 guys you can count on CC and Kuroda, Andy may or may not return and even in short series you need 3 go to guys

  100. Chip August 22nd, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Jerkface August 22nd, 2012 at 9:55 am

    Does his teaching involve one size fits all or something? I swear I saw two ground balls yesterday, the rest were fly balls and liners. Maybe the problem is in the coaching. Where’s the sinker?

    He does emphasize strike outs, but I’m not sure he is doing something 1-size fits all that would result in lessened GB. It would have to be forcing the team into pitching up in the zone and abandoning 2 seamers and what not.

    I don’t really see evidence of that. CC, Andy, and Kuroda are having no trouble with their GB rates.
    ————–

    Right – I think there’s a general philosophy that he tries to get across but he also has to play to the strengths of the individuals.

  101. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2012 at 10:09 am

    I have to go.

    Kuroda might want to return to Japan. Also his longtime batterymate is a FA. I’d certainly want him back. He’s been an Ace.

    Liriano, just mentioned above, is a FA. Not supporting the Yankees signing him, but it sure would be nice to have two lefties in the starting rotation next year.

    Have a great day everyone. Hopefully the Yankees bring their A game tonight and beat their Ace lefty, Chris Sale!

  102. Chip August 22nd, 2012 at 10:10 am

    To me, Liriano is the left handed version of AJ Burnett – he’ll tantalize teams with his ability, but his inconsistency will drive us crazy.

  103. 86w183 August 22nd, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Chip — I agree, but if the $$$ are sensible I can deal with it. It was seeing that inconsistency from a guy making $ 16.5 M that drove ME nuts.

    Liriano could also be the Gio Gonzalez of 2013. A talented guy with consistency/control issdues who puts it all together. A lot of people on this blog were opposed to pursuing Gio because of his high walk rate….

  104. Shame Spencer August 22nd, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Freddy is cheap and we already have him signed next year.

  105. Doc Iac August 22nd, 2012 at 10:26 am

    Shame Spencer August 22nd, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Freddy is cheap and we already have him signed next year.

    i thought we signed him to one year?

  106. Shame Spencer August 22nd, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Doc – I think its 2 years/$8 million. For that price, with no one breaking down the door in AAA, Nova and Hughes still finding their way, and a possible CC and/or Andy DL stint next year, I’d take my chances with having Freddy backing things up again.

  107. Shame Spencer August 22nd, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Never mind, just checked and it is 1 year at $4 MILLION. dunno where I got 2/8.

  108. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 22nd, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Quick drive by. Still in the midst of aunty duties. That probably will go on the rest of the week.

    As goes the pitching, so goes team, eh?

    We have to hang on and hope that CC (and eventually Andy?) right the ship – or make it more righter than it is right now.

    Teams ebb and flow. I’m not thinking that the Rays can stay as hot as they are but who knows?

    Here’s a bit of a radical thought – When CC comes back, Nova to the pen, Phelps stays in the rotation.

    I’ve been way out of the loop but Nova himself said this was a head issue and not a mechanical issue. Not a good time in the season to try to work out head issues. With an 11 game lead, head issues are more palatable of course.

    An interesting watch no matter what decisions are made.

    Much later y’all.

    :)

    GO YANKS!

  109. 86w183 August 22nd, 2012 at 11:02 am

    The decision on Freddie may come down to what Kuroda and Pettitte do, but I’m just saying I’d be inclined to move on.

    Liriano and Jeremy Guthrie are a couple of interesting guys to me. Guthrie seems to have found his stuff in KC and shouldn’t be too expensive. I tend to shy away from underachievers like Guthrie but he might be a good option

    Brandon McCarthy anyone?

  110. Duh Innings II August 22nd, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    Phelps should stay in the rotation and Nova should be moved to the bullpen.

    The ALDS rotation will be Sabathia/Kuroda/Pettitte/Hughes (Kuroda is the righty who breaks up the lefties.) I firmly believe Pettitte will return in time to pitch in the postseason and he’ll be the ALDS Game 3 no matter how he pitches in September, he is who he is.

    The ALDS bullpen after Soriano/Robertson/Logan/Rapada/Phelps should be two from Lowe, Garcia, Nova, Eppley, and Chamberlain.

    As for 2013, the Yanks should re-sign Pettitte for another year and $2.5M, Kuroda for another year and at least $12M ($1M raise) for a front four of Sabathia/Kuroda/Pettitte/Hughes (Nova, Phelps, and whoever else battle for the fifth starter job in spring training.)
    The beauty of these moves is the Yanks wouldn’t be locked into long-term contracts with any starting pitchers save Sabathia who’d be under contract for only four more years. They could rebuild their entire rotation under Sabathia after 2013 as they could let go of Pettitte (if he doesn’t retire), Kuroda, Hughes, any two of them, or all three of them. They still have Nova, Phelps, and bum he is right now Pineda under control.


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