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Jeter dismisses MVP talk

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 23, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Just to get this out of the way up front: I don’t believe Derek Jeter is the MVP of the American League. I don’t think he should be considered among the legitimate front-runners, I think there are other leadoff hitters who should be ahead of him in the race, and he might not even be the MVP of his own team.

But, if I had an MVP vote this year, I’m sure I’d have Jeter somewhere on my ballot.

“Come on, man, I’m not thinking about that,” Jeter said. “We’re trying to win a game.”

Whether he thinks about it or not, Jeter is having a terrific season, and Phil Rogers’ column in Tuesday’s Chicago Tribune sparked some discussion about just how good his year has been. Maybe it’s not an MVP season, but it’s been a very good one. Here’s Jeter talking about it.

How do you evaluate your season?
It’s not over. I mean, you know me. We’re trying to win games, we’ve lost these first two here. That’s the only thing I’m thinking about, trying to win today. Those other things, I don’t let them enter my mind. … You try to improve each and every day, each and every year, but we have a long way to go. Our season is not over.

Did you take a similar approach to 2010?
I hit .270, man, you know? Sorry. One time I hit .270 and it’s like it was the end of my career. You’re going to struggle. You’re going to have good years, you’re going to have bad years, but you always have to have confidence that you can play. I think every player probably at some point in their careers had a year where they weren’t satisfied. I had a lot more than just one that I haven’t been satisfied with. I know that year has gotten a lot of attention, but you still have to have confidence that you can play.

Do you understand people being impressed by these numbers from a 38-year-old?
I try not to think about age either. A lot of times it’s mentality. I think you can sit around and keep telling yourself you’re getting old, you’re getting old, and I think you start to feel that way. I understand in sports as you get a little older people talk about your age but it’s another thing I don’t go out there and think to myself ‘I’m 30-something years old.’ I just think about trying to perform. I think that goes with the mental part of the game as well.

Does the grind of a season get harder with age?
Yeah, you’ve got to get here a little earlier, stay a little longer. I’m sure that applies to most people that are standing here right now. You’ve got to do things a little bit differently. But I think that’s normal. I think that’s for everyone. My fifth year wasn’t like my first year, just like this year isn’t like five years ago. I think you make adjustments throughout the years.

Ever think about winning an MVP award?
I thought about it when seasons were over because you get close. Everyone would like to win an award like that. You ask any player in baseball, they would like to win an award like that. But I don’t think you can allow yourself to think that.

What would make this season satisfying?
Winning the World Series. I mean, that’s it. I tell you that all the time. I’m being honest with you when I say it. That’s what we play for, to win a championship. We try to do that each and every year, so that’s what’s satisfying.

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371 Responses to “Jeter dismisses MVP talk”

  1. Warning Track Power August 23rd, 2012 at 11:24 am

    After 20 games in 20 days, I think the Yankees and the fans can use a day off.

  2. jacksquat August 23rd, 2012 at 11:29 am

    their division lead is down to three games, the lowest it’s been since June 25. “It is?” Nick Swisher said. “I didn’t even pay attention to it. It’s not really my style. I don’t think it’s our style.

    “We probably didn’t deserve to have a 10-game lead,” Mark Teixeira said.

    :roll:

  3. Triple Short of a Cycle August 23rd, 2012 at 11:37 am

    BTW if Clemens was a cheater (he wasn’t), then the Houston Astros are cool with it because they have sent scouts to check out Clemens pitch for the Sugar Land Skeeters

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    He wasnt? What world are you living on?

  4. joeman August 23rd, 2012 at 11:39 am

    at this point and looking at the Yankee staff lets see what the Sox want for Beckett

  5. bruceb August 23rd, 2012 at 11:43 am

    bruceb August 23rd, 2012 at 11:41 am
    Yanks just don’t hit good pitching. Yes, it’s a generalization but it’s usually the rule.

    When was the last time this team actually beat one of the AL’s elite pitchers (and please don’t include the 2012 Josh Beckett)?

    You could make a case that Matt Harrison is among the top 10-15 and we beat CJ Wilson on July 13. If you don’t regard them as upper echelon pitchers, you have to go back as far as June 5 when they scored seven runs off James Shields. In the last four weeks we have lost twice to King Felix and once to Verlander, Lester and Sales.

    These are the type of pitchers we are going to be facing in the playoffs or – perish the thought – the Wild Card game, which doesn’t exactly fill you with confidence.

  6. Bronx Jeers August 23rd, 2012 at 11:47 am

    What kind of contract do you think I can get for being a faithful husband? Right now I have a lifetime deal at zero dollars.

    I probably should have signed with Boras.

  7. G. Love August 23rd, 2012 at 11:48 am

    I really wish Jeter and the Yankees would shut out ESPN until Bayless apologized or the network suspended him or something.

    Someone said in another post why pick Jeter instead of Chipper Jones to throw accusations at? Chipper’s 40 and hitting magnificently.

    The Yankees should do their normal media thing but when it comes time for ESPN events or ESPN 1 on 1′s they should pass. And I realize that includes Michael Kay who works for ESPN radio.

    While Bayless didn’t directly claim he knows Jeter is using, he’s attached his name to the PED debate and that is wrong.

    No Yankees should even think about going to the ESPY’s unless ESPN comes down on their employee for recklessly starting something with no sources, no teeth and based on pure speculation. It’s one thing to do it on a blog as a poster. It’s another thing to be working for ABC/Disney (essentially) and go on their air and claim that stuff.

  8. Triple Short of a Cycle August 23rd, 2012 at 11:49 am

    They have beaten King Felix,Santana,Shields,Verlander,Gonzalez,Peavy,Lester,Beckett and they destroyed Weaver and Dickey but they didn’t get the loss. Who cares what month they beat them?

  9. Ys Guy August 23rd, 2012 at 11:56 am

    god bless him but i could have written those answers for him they were so predictable.

    he’s not an mvp candidate. he’s having a great year but not an mvp year.

  10. JM August 23rd, 2012 at 11:59 am

    The chicken-eating, beer-swilling Beckett with the 5.23 ERA? No thanks.

    But hey, supposedly Boston just put him on waivers. ;)

  11. Warning Track Power August 23rd, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Ys Guy August 23rd, 2012 at 11:56 am
    god bless him but i could have written those answers for him they were so predictable.

    he’s not an mvp candidate. he’s having a great year but not an mvp year.
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    If the Yankees win the division
    If Jeter wins a few games for the team with his bat(walk off hits) before the season is over
    If Jeter leads the league in HITS
    If Jeter can reach the 20 HR mark

    Then he might be a candidate for the MVP Award, which he has never won

  12. bruceb August 23rd, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Who cares what month they beat them?

    I do. The Yanks opened up the second half of the season with a 5-1 run. Since then, they’ve gone 15-18. If they repeat that over the next 33 games then they won’t make the playoffs. Simple as that. Do I expect that? No, as I think their remaining schedule is pretty favorable. But the reality is that at some stage of the year, they’re going to need to beat a good pitcher or two if they are to achieve their goals.

  13. Warning Track Power August 23rd, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    During this 20 games in 20 days stretch, the Yankees went 11-9.
    I would call that a success.
    Can’t be shocked they were unable to win any of the last 3 games.
    The players have to be tired, exhausted and in desperate need of a rest.

  14. Ys Guy August 23rd, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    LOVE jeter but trout crushes him in every category. in less games. 19 more runs, 11 more HR, 18 pts in ba, 60 pts in obp, .150 in slg, .185 in ops. there is just no way to justify voting for jeter over trout or cabrera. and others.

    he’s having a GREAT season, but no mvp i’m sorry.

  15. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 23rd, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Fly-by to say:

    Girardi was off a little bit on his dates — the 12-game lead was on July 28 and it was cut to 2.5 on September 10 — but his point remained the same: Even good teams go through massive ups and downs, and that 10-game winning streak in June didn’t define these Yankees any more or less than this three-game series sweep defines them.

    Perspective is invaluable.

    Onward and upward!

    (still babysitting – anyone doing the same here?)

    :D

  16. Triple Short of a Cycle August 23rd, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    They should just change the MVP award to Best Hitter and treat it like the CY Young award

  17. Triple Short of a Cycle August 23rd, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    still babysitting – anyone doing the same here?

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    Always trying to start something aren’t you?

  18. LGY August 23rd, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Referenced last night that Jeter would have the lowest bWAR of all time for an MVP. Forgot to post the link where I got that information from. MVPs and bWAR list for anyone interested

    http://www.baseball-fever.com/.....Ps-and-WAR

  19. 86w183 August 23rd, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Jeter won’t get many top 3 MVP votes, but I bet he is on almost every ballot and he finishes somewhere in the 5-8 range.

    Trout, Cabrera and Hamilton look like a certain top three. Then votes will go to guys like Jeter, Konerko, Fielder, Trumbo, Beltre etc

  20. Warning Track Power August 23rd, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Ys Guy August 23rd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
    LOVE jeter but trout crushes him in every category. in less games. 19 more runs, 11 more HR, 18 pts in ba, 60 pts in obp, .150 in slg, .185 in ops. there is just no way to justify voting for jeter over trout or cabrera. and others.

    he’s having a GREAT season, but no mvp i’m sorry.
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    Currently Angels are 8.5 gb of the division and 3.5 gb from the wildcard.
    Despite the strong numbers, if his team does not make the playoffs, that should have an impact with the voters.

  21. LGY August 23rd, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    You would think that some members of the Yankee media contingent would ignore the Skip Bayless comments after all he’s done to drag down their profession, but I guess not.

    The more attention he gets from the media and fans the happier ESPN is.

  22. Ys Guy August 23rd, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    trout even leads jeter in hits per game and hits per at-bat.

  23. LGY August 23rd, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Trout, Cabrera and Hamilton look like a certain top three. Then votes will go to guys like Jeter, Konerko, Fielder, Trumbo, Beltre etc

    ——

    AHHHH more Yankee fans ignoring Cano in the MVP race!!! :(

  24. CountryClub August 23rd, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    Nobody in their right mind thinks Jeter is going to win the MVP. But he will get consideration and he will show up on the back end of a lot of peoples ballot (they vote 1-10).

    BTW, if he finishes in the top 6, the Yanks owe him another 2 mil in 2014. And if he wins the silver slugger this yr (very likely), they owe him 1.5 mil in 2014.

  25. Triple Short of a Cycle August 23rd, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    Currently Angels are 8.5 gb of the division and 3.5 gb from the wildcard.
    Despite the strong numbers, if his team does not make the playoffs, that should have an impact with the voters.

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    Take Trout,Miggy and Jeter off of their teams and see how many more losses each team has

  26. Ys Guy August 23rd, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    then the tigers better miss the playoffs too. and cano better slump through the end of the season (or course, then the yankees would miss the playoffs…)

  27. Triple Short of a Cycle August 23rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    AHHHH more Yankee fans ignoring Cano in the MVP race!!!

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    Cano isn’t even on pace for 100 RBI’s. For a middle of the order hitter especially on the Yankees who hasn’t missed significant time that is not good

  28. LGY August 23rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Cano with a higher AVG, OPS+, better defense than Hamilton and also plays a more premium position. Just craziness from Yankee fans.

  29. bruceb August 23rd, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Can’t be shocked they were unable to win any of the last 3 games.

    Not shocked, just disappointed. Couldn’t be optimistic going into a series with Garcia, Nova and Hughes pitching back-to-back as it’s a recipe for disaster. Hoped for at least one good performance, which we got. Sadly it came in the wrong game. But I will be shocked if we don’t win at least four of our next six games. Right now, the Indians are probably the worst team in the AL, but I hate playing any team on a long losing run as I know they’re going to be desperate.

  30. DONNYBROOK August 23rd, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    ESPN continues to sink into an abyss. Obviously, they can No longer push the hapless R\Sox, so they are forced to blatantly tear down the Yanks\Jeet. I watch ESPN when the Yanks are playing on Sunday Night Baseball. I watch a few key NCAA Football games, and part of College Game Day Sat. also. That it.

  31. Jerkface August 23rd, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    If Jeter ranks in the MVP he gets a couple million that will add on to his salary burden in 2014.

  32. igotid88 August 23rd, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    If the Yankees were to face Sale against next week. They would hit him better.

  33. 86w183 August 23rd, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    LGY —

    Definitely should see Cano in the top ten, my bad

    Hamilton warrants strong consideration because of the impact he has. I don’t agree that 2B is a more important defensive position than CF.

  34. LGY August 23rd, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    Hamilton’s primary position has been LF for a few years now.

  35. 86w183 August 23rd, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    Hamilton’s primary position has been LF for a few years now.

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    No so much…. He’s played more innings in CF than LF this year.

  36. Doc Iac August 23rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    DONNYBROOK August 23rd, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    ESPN continues to sink into an abyss. Obviously, they can No longer push the hapless R\Sox, so they are forced to blatantly tear down the Yanks\Jeet. I watch ESPN when the Yanks are playing on Sunday Night Baseball. I watch a few key NCAA Football games, and part of College Game Day Sat. also. That it.

    —-

    i rememeber a tweet from justin upton ( i think) sayin he never watches espn, that mlb network is more in depth and better anylasis

  37. blake August 23rd, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    “The more attention he gets from the media and fans the happier ESPN is.”

    Yup…skip is essentially a troll….and hes trolling everyone for attention

  38. LGY August 23rd, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    No so much…. He’s played more innings in CF than LF this year.

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    He’s played more games in LF! :mad:

    In any event, a full time 2B is more valuable than a part time CF and LF.

  39. blake August 23rd, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    ESPN is a shell of what it used to be….its basically NFL and scandal TV.

  40. blake August 23rd, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Jeter should get some top 10 votes……but Mike Trout is the best player in baseball and he shoukd win with Miggy, Cano, Hamilton following.

  41. LGY August 23rd, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    In 2012, the average MLB CF has a 750 OPS. The average MLB 2B has a 695 OPS.

    2B way more premium!

  42. theREALkevin August 23rd, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    I haven’t heard anyone claim that Jeter should WIN the MVP this year. Not one person on here. If I’m wrong about that, sorry. Most people have just been saying he should be in the conversation. He should get votes. That’s it. And he deserves to be discussed because he’s having a great season, putting up numbers that almost no shortstop ever has at his age. Does that win you an MVP? Probably not, but he’s just as important to the Yankees as bonehead Robinson Cano. Now, cue the WAR references & any other stats that say Cano is 892340283408 times better than Jeter this year. Beep beep. Robot. I love Numbers. Beep bEep.

  43. CountryClub August 23rd, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    I don’t watch anything on ESPN but games. No Sportscenter, no pre game or post game stuff, nothing. There really isnt any reason to. You can get highlights from anywhere now. I do use their web site daily, but with that I pick and choose where I go instead of them forcing stories down my throat.

  44. LGY August 23rd, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    Wow, 2B has really fallen off in MLB. 2nd worst position by offense to SS with the average SS at a 690 OPS.

    Cano is even better than I thought with his super duper premium position.

  45. 86w183 August 23rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    In 2012, the average MLB CF has a 750 OPS. The average MLB 2B has a 695 OPS.

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    That’s a different argument. Of course Cano’s productivity at his position is exceptional. Probably the most exceptional relative to his position of anyone in baseball.

    the original point was 2B is a premium position and I submit that CF is more premium. LF is arguable the LEAST premium

  46. 86w183 August 23rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    talking defenisvely

  47. blake August 23rd, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    I think 1st base is the least premium ……2B , SS, and C are the most with CF 4th IMO.

  48. jacksquat August 23rd, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    Jeter is having a fine season, but he is not a top 5 MVP.

    Trout, Cano, and Cabrera are the top 3, and no one should be close to Trout at this point.

    And it shouldn’t matter what team they are on, it’s an individual award.

  49. Nick in SF August 23rd, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    MVP —–> Cespedes!

  50. LGY August 23rd, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    Premiumness is relative to how difficult it is to find production at that position.

    As 2B has dropped off in MLB Cano has maintained his excellence.

    Only one of two 2B or SS with an OPS above 830. The ONLY 2B or SS with an OPS above 870. Wow. What an incredible talent. A shame many Yankee fans on here can’t appreciate it and choose to focus on silly things like a couple baserunning mistakes or how hard he runs to first.

  51. blake August 23rd, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    If Cano has a strong finish and the Tigers and Angels both miss the playoffs then I could see him sneaking in and winning because some of the voters still consider the team with the MVP.

  52. jacksquat August 23rd, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Secondbasemen are involved in far more plays per game than CF’s, the main reason it is a more premium position.

  53. Barry August 23rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    Please name the other American League lead off hitters you find preferable…?

  54. 86w183 August 23rd, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    I think 1st base is the least premium ……2B , SS, and C are the most with CF 4th IMO.

    *******************************************************************

    You’d rather have a great LF than a great 1B? I wouldn’t.

    Tex saves more runs a year than any LF would even have a chance to. It’s true that 1B is a place to hide a bad fielder.

    If I can have greatness defensively I’d choose SS, CF, 3B, 2B, C, 1B, RF, LF in that order.

    Its an interesting debate, though

  55. blake August 23rd, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    “Please name the other American League lead off hitters you find preferable…?”

    Im pretty sure Chad was talking about Mike Trout

  56. Triple Short of a Cycle August 23rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    Please name the other American League lead off hitters you find preferable…?

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    Trout, Jackson,Choo, Ellsbury, Kinsler

  57. Duh Innings II August 23rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle August 23rd, 2012 at 11:37 am

    BTW if Clemens was a cheater (he wasn’t), then the Houston Astros are cool with it because they have sent scouts to check out Clemens pitch for the Sugar Land Skeeters

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    He wasnt? What world are you living on?

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    The world called “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law” (in which Clemens was found innocent which is all that matters), not “guilty until proven innocent in the court of public opinion” (the world you live in which means nothing.)

    Bottom line is Clemens is a Hall Of Famer on his 1986, 1987, and 1991 A.L. Cy Young Awards alone and being the best starting pitcher in baseball 1986-96 before he won back to back A.L. Cy Young Awards with Toronto in 1997-98, period, end of story, case closed. Or to put it another way, he’d have been a HOF had he ended his career after 1996 / when his contract was up with Boston.

    Like Barry Bonds is a Hall Of Famer on his first three NLMVP Awards alone.

    Every player who has won three or more CYAs or three or more MVPs save not yet eligible players like future first-ballot HOF Randy Johnson is in the HOF, look it up.

    It doesn’t add up that Clemens took steroids in his mid-late 30s and beyond because he was a monster blowing away batters when he was stocky. It is possible to be in better shape at age 40 than at age 25, especially when you work out every day and play a professional sport. Seriously, Google Clemens in 1991 then 2001 and tell me how he was in better shape in 1991 than he was in 2001. He wasn’t. The world and MLB was younger in ’91, didn’t have the information the world/MLB had in 2001. Clemens simply prepared himself to have a career beyond age 35.

    Bottom line is a rat (Brian McNamee) tried to bring Clemens down with him and failed miserably. Only an idiot would believe a psycho who saved medical waste like it was an autograph for 7 or more years over a standup guy like Clemens whose only true enemy was crybaby Mike Piazza who had quite a rapid tailoff for a guy who was hands down one of the top three most dangerous hitters of the late ’90s-early ’00s. Let’s accuse Piazza of being on something. Hey, how’d a catcher hit so well for what he does, eh?

    You know what I love? I love how Bonds and Clemens were such cheaters yet both somehow managed to fool sportswriters into giving them seven of the highest awards for their positions each (7 MVP Awards for Bonds, 7 Cy Young Awards for Clemens) across a really long period of time. And not one of them publicly said or even implied either player or both players were on something after each guy won his third award. And NONE of these writers questioned how two players on two teams in the same division could be on record paces for homeruns in a single season in the same year (McGwire and Sosa in 1998.)

  58. bruceb August 23rd, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    I used to listen to Mike & Mike in the Morning on ESPN until they started talking football almost the entire program – even in the off season. Can’t stomach Craig Carton but at least Boomer and Carton talk about New York sports. I just wish they’d let the update guy actually read the sports news without the constant interruptions; it’s unprofessional and must annoy a lot of listeners. As for ESPN Sports Center, it seems to be home to failed broadcasters wearing cheap suits and a few badly dressed women.

  59. blake August 23rd, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    “You’d rather have a great LF than a great 1B? I wouldn’t.”

    no….I think it’s harder to find a good LFer than a 1B…which is why it’s more premium…..1B is the easiest position to play and easiest to just put a bat at…..

    my definition of premium is which is the hardest to find good players at. C, 2B, and SS are the toughest IMO

    I think you could argue that 3B is actually more premium than CF as well given how few 3B in baseball are worth anything these days…..

  60. blake August 23rd, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    “Trout, Jackson,Choo, Ellsbury, Kinsler”

    not Ellsbury or Kinsler this year…..Trout yes….Jackson and Choo are arguable.

  61. 86w183 August 23rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    Second basemen are involved in far more plays per game than CF’s, the main reason it is a more premium position.

    ************************************************************************

    By that logic C and 1B are more important than SS. I don’t agree.

  62. blake August 23rd, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Choo: .286/.369/.469/.838
    Jackson: .310/.391/.503/.894
    Jeter: .324/.364/.450/.815
    Trout: .343/.407/.603/1.010
    Ellsbury: .249/.298/.345/.643
    Kinsler: .266/.336/.432/.768

  63. kd August 23rd, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    what would it take to trade from choo? phelps and logan? phelps has to be a better pitcher than masterson at this point

  64. Duh Innings II August 23rd, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    Re: Jeter’s 2012 MVP candidacy.

    TODAY HE IS THE AL MVP FOR HIS PRODUCTION AT HIS AGE AND HIS TEAM’S RECORD DESPITE THEIR LITTLE SLUMP (BEST RECORD IN THE AL, THIRD BEST IN MLB.)

    No one on Texas or the Chi-Sox (the current AL division leaders besides the Yankees) is as valuable as Jeter.

    Tampa Bay is nowhere without their pitching, so I don’t want to hear about any of their hitters.

    Detroit would still be in the hunt if they had Fielder or Cabrera not both.

    Mike Trout of the Angels is not an MVP, he is having a great year because he’s an unknown who will not be so invincible once there’s a full season book on him.

    It is high time the MVP be decided based on performance and what the player’s team did. If you are the best and most valuable player on a team that wins the division and has the best record in the league if not baseball, you should be the MVP. You helped your team finish as the best one in the league or baseball and that should count more than 10-15 more HR.

  65. blake August 23rd, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    if I had to rank positional premiumness:

    1. Catcher
    2. SS
    3. 2B
    4. CF
    5. 3B
    6. RF
    7. LF
    8. 1B

  66. bruceb August 23rd, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Duh Innings II

    The world called “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law” (in which Clemens was found innocent which is all that matters),

    Are you on drugs? Clemens was not found “innocent”. He was found “not guilty of lying to Congress” in a perjury trial. The world and his wife knows Clemens took PEDs and the only reason he is planning a comeback is because his ego (which, as someone stated on this blog, is as big as Texas) is such that he doesn’t want his name appearing on a Hall of Fame ballot paper this year. He clearly believes that in five years’ time, we’ll all have forgotten that he cheated baseball and his fellow professionals.

  67. NYYROC August 23rd, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    bruceb @ 1:18; agree completely. I listen to M&M on way to work. It is all football all the time.
    Tim K or Buster make a token appearance once in a while, but usually it is Greeny whining about his Jets.

  68. jacksquat August 23rd, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    C and 1b are just catching relatively easy pitches/throws much of the time. I think you know what I meant.

  69. Cashmoney August 23rd, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    the only question about cano is when Boras laid down a ten year Rodesque contract demand …. what do you do. I say F..off. carry on gents.

  70. Ys Guy August 23rd, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    i like PTI and i think dan shulman does a good job calling baseball games (although he’s got that wierd n-ah pronunciation thing. other than that i really dont see much espn. to me their bias is football uber alas. if they have a baseball bias it seems to be yankees and red socks get broadcast as much as possible and other teams when the big boys aren’t available.

    of course i dont parse every sentence for biases like alot of people do. i really couldn’t care.

    and by the way, who the hell is skip bayless anyway? im not sure i’ve ever seen the guy.

  71. Cashmoney August 23rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    Jeter is having a great year for 38 year old. He is on incredible hot streak. His OPS numbers are closer to his prime years. He is one of the few yankees whose performances merits his contract dollars.

  72. Cashmoney August 23rd, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    so far Jeter and Kuroda are the MVPs of the Yanks. but he will fall short of the real mvp by a long shot. Cab and Trout are way ahead of him.

  73. 86w183 August 23rd, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    C and 1b are just catching relatively easy pitches/throws much of the time. I think you know what I meant.

    **********************************************************************

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    Some of this comes down to defining “premium. Blake uses it in terms of difficulty of finding a great player there. I view “premium” in terms of importance. Neither is right/wrong.

    “Cheating” is breaking the rules to gain an advantage. Since there were no rules in baseball regarding PED then no PED user cheated as far as I’m concerned.

  74. Jerkface August 23rd, 2012 at 1:43 pm

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    Catcher is a premium position! And is near CF and SS on the defensive spectrum. I think you’re just taking that statement too much at face value. 2B and SS are both major fielders on the team (they get lots of chances generally) and also contribute heavily to double plays and other infield special plays. CF needs to cover the most ground in the OF which is importan so it is a premium position, but when the league has more hitters there then having a huge bat at a weaker one can be better, like this year!

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  76. Duh Innings II August 23rd, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    G. Love August 23rd, 2012 at 11:48 am

    I really wish Jeter and the Yankees would shut out ESPN until Bayless apologized or the network suspended him or something.

    Someone said in another post why pick Jeter instead of Chipper Jones to throw accusations at? Chipper’s 40 and hitting magnificently.

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    That “someone” you’re talking about is me and I never said why pick Jeter instead of Chipper Jones, I said why is Bayless picking Jeter and not Jones along with Jeter considering the season Jones is having?

    Do you people live in a vaccuum? Do you not read or use Google?

    Consider the source.

    Skip Bayless IS a racist because he just said “white people root for white quarterbacks” and ESPN should fire him not for that and that alone but for targeting a half-black player (Jeter) with other comments because he’s a racist.

    Below is proof he’s a racist ESPN should fire immediately and this is just one site covering it. This is the man who said what he said about Jeter. Again, consider the source. Also consider ESPN is the network who made racist comments about Jeremy Lin on national tv and STILL hasn’t fired the direct supervisor of the idiot employee who made them (or that firing would’ve been news, too.)

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  77. LGY August 23rd, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    Here is the average OPS by position in MLB this year, I was referencing

    1B 777
    RF 767
    DH 766
    LF 761
    CF 750
    3B 748
    C 718
    2B 695
    SS 690
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  78. Triple Short of a Cycle August 23rd, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    Duh Innings II,

    No offense but you are an idiot.

  79. austinmac August 23rd, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    I live in a world in which I have practiced law for many years. Clemens was found not guilty of lying to Congress. The central fact they had to prove is he used steroids. The jury wasn’t convinced.

    I live in a country where courts decide guilt and innocence and not innuendo and accusation. Yet, bloggers here claim to know the truth. Well then, prove it. I choose not to decide truth by Sportscenter or talk radio.

    You folks need an eighth grade civics class.

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    Duh Innings II

    The world called “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law” (in which Clemens was found innocent which is all that matters),

    Are you on drugs? Clemens was not found “innocent”. He was found “not guilty of lying to Congress” in a perjury trial. The world and his wife knows Clemens took PEDs and the only reason he is planning a comeback is because his ego (which, as someone stated on this blog, is as big as Texas) is such that he doesn’t want his name appearing on a Hall of Fame ballot paper this year. He clearly believes that in five years’ time, we’ll all have forgotten that he cheated baseball and his fellow professionals.

    ————–

    Clemens is innocent. There was no ruling of “not guilty of lying to Congress”.

    You don’t speak for “the world” and you don’t know his wife who you’ve never even met.

    You are the one on drugs to think Clemens is pitching for an independent league team in the hopes the Astros or whoever sign him to pitch in September so he is ineligible for HOF election this year (next year?) If he doesn’t make an MLB team this year or next he’s on the ballot. Nice conspiracy theory you have (that Clemens is conspiring to keep himself off the HOF ballot.) I never read anything so stupid in comments on this blog, thanks for the laughs.

    He did not cheat on baseball because there is no proof in a court of law, the only one that matters, not the kangaroo court you obviously think you’re judge and jury of, deal with it.

  81. Duh Innings II August 23rd, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle August 23rd, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    Duh Innings II,

    No offense but you are an idiot.

    ———-

    That the best you can come with, lone idiot between us?

  82. Triple Short of a Cycle August 23rd, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    You folks need an eighth grade civics class.

    ———————————————–

    and you need a reality class. Just because the prosecution couldn’t prove OJ Simpson mudered his wife doesn’t mean he didn’t

  83. DONNYBROOK August 23rd, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    Along with attining truth via Sportscenter and talk radio, you forgot Rush Limbaugh and Nancy Grace.

  84. Triple Short of a Cycle August 23rd, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    That the best you can come with, lone idiot between us?

    —————————————-

    Its a good start.

    Jurors never make mistakes. They always get it right. Correct?

  85. NYYROC August 23rd, 2012 at 2:00 pm

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  86. austinmac August 23rd, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    Triple,

    I accuse you of being the idiot. Since all you require is an allegation, you must agree.

    I believe 12 people who heard all the evidence the government could find after spending millions of dollars knows more than you. In fact, you have no facts, only opinion.

    But, don’t let that bother you. Facts have never stood in the way of some people.

  87. bruceb August 23rd, 2012 at 2:04 pm

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    Duh Innings II,

    No offense but you are an idiot.

    I can’t prove this in a court of law but I think, on the evidence you have presented in your posts on this blog today, the jurors are more than likely to return a unanimous verdict.

    And, by the way, “the world and his wife” is an idiom. That’s idiom with an “m”.

  88. Duh Innings II August 23rd, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle August 23rd, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    You folks need an eighth grade civics class.

    ———————————————–

    and you need a reality class. Just because the prosecution couldn’t prove OJ Simpson mudered his wife doesn’t mean he didn’t

    ———————

    What reality? Yours? I think I’d take the word of a real lawyer in the real world (which austinmac may or may not be – I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt ahd say he is) over a kangaroo court prosecution lawyer (and keyboard toughguy who talks tough behind a computer screen when I never posted a belligerent word to him) like you any day of the week.

    With your logic, every innocent or not guilty person is guilty cuz why stop at OJ?

    What BS do you feed the lawyers when asked questions in jury duty to serve as a juror? Have you been selected for a jury? If not, thank justice you haven’t.

  89. Duh Innings II August 23rd, 2012 at 2:06 pm

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    Triple Short of a Cycle August 23rd, 2012 at 1:52 pm
    Duh Innings II,

    No offense but you are an idiot.

    I can’t prove this in a court of law but I think, on the evidence you have presented in your posts on this blog today, the jurors are more than likely to return a unanimous verdict.

    And, by the way, “the world and his wife” is an idiom. That’s idiom with an “m”

    —————————————–

    Jurors of your kangaroo court.

    You spoke for the world and Clemens’ wife. Nice pathetic way try to back out of that, as swipe.

  90. Triple Short of a Cycle August 23rd, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    Duh Innings II

    ———————————

    OJ innocent or guilty in your mind?

  91. austinmac August 23rd, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    Guilt or innocence is not determined by your mind or mine. We have a legal system to determine if accusations are true. Would you prefer it otherwise? Maybe just ask the person on the street for their opinion?

  92. Triple Short of a Cycle August 23rd, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Guilt or innocence is not determined by your mind or mine. We have a legal system to determine if accusations are true. Would you prefer it otherwise? Maybe just ask the person on the street for their opinion?

    —————————————-

    OJ innocent or guilty in your mind?

  93. Duh Innings II August 23rd, 2012 at 2:35 pm

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    Duh Innings II

    ———————————

    OJ innocent or guilty in your mind?
    austinmac August 23rd, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    Guilt or innocence is not determined by your mind or mine. We have a legal system to determine if accusations are true. Would you prefer it otherwise? Maybe just ask the person on the street for their opinion?
    Triple Short of a Cycle August 23rd, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Guilt or innocence is not determined by your mind or mine. We have a legal system to determine if accusations are true. Would you prefer it otherwise? Maybe just ask the person on the street for their opinion?

    —————————————-

    OJ innocent or guilty in your mind?

    ——————————————————–

    Sorry, I can’t say which thanks to LAPD planting evidence in OJ’s Ford Bronco and one prosecution witness Mark Furman being a racist, but actually I can: he’s innocent because the prosecution couldn’t prove he did it.

    What the hell does it matter anyway as he’s currently serving a 33-year prison sentence for armed robbery and kidnapping he may or may not live through?

    Austinmac don’t even waste your time with this imbecile who thinks he’s judge and jury of all cases including OJ and Clemens.

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    I was going to respond specifically to your first comment about Clemens being innocent (lol), but after reading the rest of your posts (Jeter for MVP, Bayless the racist, your distorted view of the legal system, etc.), I’m not even sure where to start.

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