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Teixeira: “This is what could happen”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 25, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

A little more than three years ago, right before he signed with the Yankees, Mark Teixeira considered signing with the Red Sox. One reason he didn’t was the possibility of what happened yesterday: That the Red Sox might work toward a massive trade that could unload several multi-year contracts at once.

“One of the reasons that I didn’t sign with Boston was they don’t offer full no-trade clauses,” Teixeira said. “I would hate, personally as a father and a husband, I would hate to uproot my family here in New York and get traded somewhere else. That’d be devastating. I could play baseball anywhere, really, but to have to uproot your family, that would be really tough. And Boston doesn’t give full no-trade clauses. This is what could happen.”

In the two years before signing that eight-year deal with the Yankees, Teixeira had been traded twice, so he went into that offseason fully aware of what it meant to be moved midseason.

“I tell people, the last two years before free agency, I was a gypsy,” he said. “I lived all over the place. So it’s not easy, it really isn’t, and that was one of the big reasons that I wanted a full no-trade clause.”

That no-trade clause, and the comfort in knowing that he won’t be part of a Red Sox-type blockbuster, has brought some comfort and stability.

“I have never once questioned my decision to come here,” Teixeira said. “This is the most amazing place to play baseball. Living in New York is unbelievable. But I’ll be honest with you, a no-trade clause helps because your family can set roots. You know that if you have a bad game, they’re not going to trade you. You know that even if your team might have a bad stretch, they’re not going to look at you as, ‘Oh, you’re the reason why. We’re getting rid of you.’ This is a tough business, and whether that trade goes through or not, just the fact that they’re talking about getting rid of three guys they committed to just shows that it’s all about winning. It’s not show-friends, it’s show-business.”

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111 Responses to “Teixeira: “This is what could happen””

  1. jmills August 25th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Crap, new post, I can’t keep up with you people and your b ball dissertations!

  2. Villa Nova-Ya August 25th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    blake -

    That is some interesting information from Verlander. I am curious about whether he figured this out on his own, trial and error-wise, of did a coach help him get to that conclusion? I think one thing it points to is guys do have to pitch for a while to figure things out, whether it’s on their own or with help, but if you have good stuff, and you are willing to learn from your experiences, you’ll do pretty well.

    I think Hughes has already made two good steps this season – “cutting” the cutter from his repertoire, and mixing in a lot more changeups.

    I thought it was particularly interesting when Verlander talked about guys fouling off his fastball, so not being able to put guys away early, which then leads to higher pitch counts and fatigue and shorter outings. Man, and his fastball is lethal!

  3. Villa Nova-Ya August 25th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    Yankee Trader -

    That Charley Finley stuff is good. What strikes me is the players all left anyway, and Finley got nothing for it, right? How is that in the best interests of baseball? Can’t see Selig doing that.

  4. CountryClub August 25th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    The dodgers have a legit lineup now. It’ll be even better next yr with Crawford (I expect him to bounce back away from Boston). But kemp, gonzo and Hanley are going to be tough to deal with this season.

  5. Yankee Trader August 25th, 2012 at 9:09 am

    “I’ll be honest with you, a no-trade clause helps because your family can set roots. You know that if you have a bad game, they’re not going to trade you. You know that even if your team might have a bad stretch, they’re not going to look at you as, ‘Oh, you’re the reason why. We’re getting rid of you.’

    You know that even if you don’t put up all the numbers you had been doing before you came to the Yankees as a FA, they’re not going to trade you.

  6. jmills August 25th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    YT – give me the money and then you can trade me all you want.

  7. CountryClub August 25th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    You know that even if your team might have a bad stretch, they’re not going to look at you as, ‘Oh, you’re the reason why. We’re getting rid of you.’

    ————————–

    Teix is lucky some fans don’t run the team!

  8. Yankee Trader August 25th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    CC-

    I agree. The Dodgers now have a balanced lineup adding Gonzalez and Crawford to Ethier, who had been the only lefty power threat.
    With Kemp, Ramirez and Ellis hitting righty this team has more offense to contend for years.

    Pitching will be the key now for them. Billingsley had to leave the game last night due to elbow pain.

  9. jpb173 August 25th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    If the Red Sox – Dodgers deal goes down as expected then Boston will need a first baseman. I wonder if thats where Nick Swisher will end up next year. He could man first base for them until they get a big time thumper there…then he could switch to left field.

  10. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Jerkface August 25th, 2012 at 12:35 am
    Without young pitching,

    They did get 2 of the Dodgers best pitching prospects in the trade!

    *******

    ???? Is Zach Lee in the trade? If not – they are not getting the coveted jewel of the Dodgers system. Plus – they did not get Joc Pederson

    Plus – see Marlins 2012 – cannot throw money at an offseason and hope to contend
    Plus top FAs appear to be Hamilton and Greinke – both with issues that would make Boston prohibitive in the long run (or even the short term)

    Additionally – it will take some time for the likes of Xavier, Bradley and company to develop

    While true the Sox might make power trades (their really own option) for a Garza or Upton – it is not an easy recovery

  11. 86w183 August 25th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    YT – give me the money and then you can trade me all you want.

    *****************************************************************

    Amen brother! For $ 20+ M a year I’ll change cities every six months, no problem.

    I can’t wait to see the final details. It’s amazing to me if the Dodgers end up paying almost all of the $$$ those guys have coming. We’re talking about almost $ 270 M.

    Does this make Boston a player for Swish?

  12. LGY August 25th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    The Dodgers will be significantly better after this trade, but if they really are sending a couple legit prospects AND assuming $260M they got hosed.

  13. austinmac August 25th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    The Dodgers have become Team Mega-Greedy.

    Blake, that was interesting about the cutter. I wonder if that explains Hughes velocity loss last year.

  14. yankee21 August 25th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Blake- Thanks for summarizing that Verlander interview.

    He makes it sound so cut and dry, just do this and that will happen. What’s stopping ya!

    I agree the best thing to do for Hughes is to just follow the Verlander method- snap off knee buckling curve balls, mix in some good change ups and then go to the 100 mph heat when you need it later in the game. Sounds efficient…

    Piece of Cake Hughes, make it happen next start!

  15. yankee21 August 25th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    The Dodgers will be significantly better after this trade, but if they really are sending a couple legit prospects AND assuming $260M they got hosed…..

    Exactly.

  16. Yankee Trader August 25th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    YT – give me the money and then you can trade me all you want.
    ———————————–
    The Braves gave Rafael Belliard SS/2B $800,000 to sit in the Braves dugout. He started 16 games all year. He had the best seat in the house, a good parking space, free food and rarely had to take a shower after the game.

    Now that’s what I call a great deal!! :)

  17. 86w183 August 25th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    I’m not sure how much better they are. AllI see is an upgrade from Loney to Gonzalez at the cost of four prime prospects.

    Beckett isn’t getting anyone out. Crawford is done for the year and Punto is just a part-time guy.

    That’s the most expensive 1B upgrade in the history of baseball unless Crawford comes back to be an All-Star and/or Beckett gets straightened out.

  18. Yankee Trader August 25th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    By Mike Axisa [August 25 at 8:19am CST]
    The Dodgers and Red Sox have completed a massive nine-player blockbuster trade that will send Josh Beckett, Adrian Gonzalez, Carl Crawford, and Nick Punto to Los Angeles for James Loney and four prospects, reports Michael Silverman of The Boston Herald. The prospects are expected to be Allen Webster, Ivan De Jesus, Jerry Sands, and Rubby De La Rosa.

    The Red Sox will pay just $12MM of the over $270MM owed to Beckett, Crawford, Gonzalez, and Punto according to Silverman.

  19. CountryClub August 25th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    The dodgers gave up 1 real prospect. Don’t be fooled by what some people in media are writing.

  20. Yankee Trader August 25th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    The prospects are expected to be Allen Webster, Ivan De Jesus, Jerry Sands, and Rubby De La Rosa.

    How do these prospects rank in the Dodger organization?

  21. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    Fine with it as long as no Lee or Joc Pederson going to the Sox – - – -

  22. Villa Nova-Ya August 25th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    My my my.

    So it’s done.

    Beckett may do well – it’s the NL, after all.

    But the Dodgers do need players to back up Kemp. When Kemp was injured they got nothing from anyone else. They’ve certainly put a lot of eggs in this basket. Hopefully it pays off for them. they’ve got a month left to overtake SF for hte division or Or Atlanta, St. Louis and Pittsburgh for WC spot.

    On that topic,

    What will happen if there are multiple ties for the WC????

  23. austinmac August 25th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    I don’t think the Red Sox will be interested in any large, long contracts like Geinke or Hamilton. Upton could be of interest.

    It will be interesting to see if this impacts the Yankees way of doing business by trading Granderson, e.g

  24. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    I think the Marlins did better with the kid, Eovaldi, they got for Hanley Ramirez than the pitches the Sox are getting.

    Sigh of relief – no Zach Lee

    Plus agree – the Rangers would have been all over Gonzales in the offseason – and they have the better prospects. It is a salary dump – that’s it – they got some prospects/suspects – but could have gotten better prospects in the offseason from a Texas Rangers if they were really after young prospects to truly build around.

    Jacoby will probably be resigned to a Crawford deal – so that replaces that contract.

  25. yankee21 August 25th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Although he won’t be a #1 anymore, I think Beckett will be better in a pitcher’s park and in a pitcher’s division. I could see him fitting nicely into a solid #3. He is a pig though and he hope he sucks.

    Crawford is not getting any younger, is out for the rest of the year, and his chief + tools were his speed and defense. That will help him in LA more than BOS. However, the LAD just paid 20 mil a year for that privilege.

    There is no comparison between Loney and Agon. Difference between borderline starter and AS.

    LA will be better for this trade but the cost is crazy. It seems as though they opted to improve in the hardest and dumbest way possible. Take on massive contracts and surrender some prospects to improve.

  26. Villa Nova-Ya August 25th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    This trade really is not a predictor of what other teams will do.

    I think this is a trade that was a product of a specific set of circumstances in Boston.

    If the problem up there was simply that Beckett and Lester were underperforming, I think they’d write this year off and maybe try to shore up the pitching next season. Maybe they would have tried to trade Crawford. But because of the total nastiness that is going on up there, because their problems are as much off the field as on, if not more so, that is why this trade could and did happen.

  27. CountryClub August 25th, 2012 at 9:38 am

    YT,

    Webster was the dodgers #2 prospect. De La Rosa is a hard thrower that just came back from TJ, IMO he’ll end up in the pen eventually.

  28. blake August 25th, 2012 at 9:38 am

    “Blake, that was interesting about the cutter. I wonder if that explains Hughes velocity loss last year.”

    I think partly yea….I also think he really was hurt.

    “He makes it sound so cut and dry, just do this and that will happen. What’s stopping ya!”

    the ability to throw 100 mph and have two 70-80 secondary pitches ;) I agree though that Hughes is sorta a poor man’s Verlander….he doesn’t throw as hard and he doesn’t have as good of secondary stuff but he does have a similar ability to get hitters to be late on his fastball……and has had the foul ball problem as well.

  29. Yankee Trader August 25th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    Now that there are more of you posting, please correct me if I’m wrong. Posted earlier:

    The RS were very shrewd in making this trade.

    Players on the DL prior to the August waiver period cannot be put thru waivers.

    I think I’m correct on that.

    Carl Crawford has been playing with a torn ulnar collateral ligament. The RS continued playing him, knowing other teams would not claim him, and he’d clear waivers. Once that happened he could be traded, even if he’s now on the DL, awaiting surgery.

    Correct? I know I read and posted the rules before but cannot locate them pertaining to players on the DL prior to August-that they cannot be put on waivers while on the DL.

  30. blake August 25th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    YT,

    I don’t know a ton about the guys the Sox are getting no….Webster is a pretty good prospect but Lee is their best and they didn’t get him. I think it’s a pretty good return given how much money they cleared to be honest.

    Still have believe LA is taking on almost all of those contracts……seems like a win for Boston to me so long as its the start of a rebuilding phase….it’s not a deal that’s going to turn them into a competitive team over night at all….likely will make them worse short term.

  31. CountryClub August 25th, 2012 at 9:41 am

    There is no way to ignore how this deal will affect the Sox in dealing with FAs moving forward. Not all of them, but some will be hesitant to sign there without a full no trade clause and the Sox don’t give those out. It’ll be interesting to watch.

  32. blake August 25th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal

    Rival exec on #Dodgers: “If you had $250M to spend, is this how you’d do it?”

    yea that’s a good question…..

  33. blake August 25th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    CC,

    I agree…..I think players will be hesitant to sign there and agree that if they do they’ll be more likely to demand full no trades…..

  34. blake August 25th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Casey Stern ?@CaseyStern

    I know at times Red Sox Nation can be a bit “emotional” but I really hope they understand what an accomplishment this deal truly is #MLB

    it’s an accomplihment to shed money…..whether or not it makes them better or not will take some time to determine. I do think it’s a good and very bold move by Cherington.

  35. blake August 25th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    Dylan Hernandez ?@dylanohernandez

    #Dodgers and #RedSox had framework of trade in place even before Adrian Gonzalez was placed on waivers Wednesday: http://lat.ms/NMpNso

  36. CountryClub August 25th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    It’s a win for both teams. The contracts stink, but the deal makes the dodgers better (and they have the money). It’s clear that they’re ready to become the Yankees of the West. Something theyn should have done decades ago.

    The sox dump all of that payroll. Losing gonzo is a legit loss. Can’t really replace him….especially at first base. But this deal only ends up working for them if they make smart decisions in the next couple of years. For instance, if they sign Greinke (for example) and he busts, the trade was useless.

  37. Bret The Hitman August 25th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    This trade helps both teams. The Dodgers are going for it. I’m jealous the Yankees can’t afford to adopt that mentality at this point in the payment schedules of the big-money players on this team. The Dodgers went from irrelevance to contender in less than one season. They locked up Kemp and Ethier, added Victorino for this run, added Hanley Ramirez, added Adrian Gonzalez and kept their top prospects. How could you not be happy if you’re a Dodgers fan right now?

    Crawford is a gamble for LAD but look at it this way. It’s possible the Red Sox paid him for his 2 injury years and got that out of the way for the Dodgers. The Dodgers might get the healthy version of Crawford for the duration of that contract. If so, Crawford, Kemp, Ethier is a pretty darn good OF for many years to come – provided Crawford is finally healthy of course.

    Beckett is a short term gamble. There’s no reason why he can’t put up AJ Burnett numbers in the NL West.

    And the Red Sox won this trade as well. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t also jealous that they were able to dump bad contracts. It would be the equivalent of us dumping Arod alone.

    But Gammons has a point that the 260 million saved can’t be easily spent on FA, the draft or IFA these days.

    The rebuilding process will be slow in Boston. But they weren’t winning with those guys anyways. It’s difficult for owners to swallow if they lose and lose money in the process. At least this way they will lose on a cheaper budget.

  38. Yankee Trader August 25th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    The Blue Jays and Orioles 2012 payroll obligations are close to 84M, the Rays, 64M.

    Might this now effect what the Yankees will do this offseason? Pick up the options of both Granderson and Cano, but now instead of focusing on extensions for one or both, seeing what’s out there in trade to fill 2013 needs?

  39. 86w183 August 25th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    I think getting rid of Beckett is addition by subtraction and I’m stunned ANYONE would want Carl Crawford’s contract. you don’t even know when he’ll be able to play again.

    Big Papi just got a lot more leverage as a FA. They really need to keep him now.

  40. Villa Nova-Ya August 25th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Yankee Trader -

    From what I have read, the only thing about being on the DL and being traded or waived is that the commissioner has to approve, and that sometimes a player on the DL is called the “PTBNL” in a trade, but not because they have to be, but according to ESPN’s transactions primer, because it is “embarrassing to trade for a player on the DL.”

  41. Bret The Hitman August 25th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Think of it this way. The Yankees chief rival has basically committed to a 3-year rebuilding program at a time when there are few quality FA on the horizon and it’s difficult to buy prospects and IFA.

    This is a gold opportunity for the Yankees to make some bold moves of their own. I think Cashman has to be relieved. The pressure to win-now is still there but it shouldn’t be as intense with Boston out of the picture.

    What kinds of bold moves will you see in NY now?

    For one, maybe take a chance on Melky Cabrera or BJ Upton.

    Two, maybe try to trade Granderson or Hughes for prospects.

    Maybe wait until next year when Gardner is healthy and Joba is healthy and try to trade them for prospects.

    Stay dominant over Boston but sacrifice some of today’s production in order to rebuild on the fly alongside the Red Sox.

  42. Giuseppe Franco August 25th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    The Red Sox situation was nothing like the Yanks situation regarding bad contracts.

    Sure, the Yanks have bad contracts too but they continue to win year after year. But the RS were going to miss the postseason entirely for the 3rd straight season with their cast of clowns.

    It’s much easier to blow up a team that hasn’t been winning (and a well documented mess of a clubhouse) than it is a perennial World Series contender.

  43. Giuseppe Franco August 25th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Good grief. LOL.

    Bret’s post @ 9:59 is hilarious.

    Sure, the Yanks should be bold and take dumb risks because the RS have blown up their team.

  44. Yankee Trader August 25th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    Could Cano after the option is picked up, be traded this offseason to fill needs?
    Another 2B’man and a corner OF’er? Just an example below-

    Lefty Jay Bruce:
    13:$7.5M, 14:$10M, 15:$12M, 16:$12.5M, 17:$13M

    and righty Brandon Phillips:
    13:$10M, 14:$11M, 15:$12M, 16:$13M, 17:$14M

    Cano and Gardner +prospect for Bruce and Phillips. Resign Ichiro for one year with low base pay plus incentives.

    Not saying the Reds would do this, but what could Cano bring back?

  45. Villa Nova-Ya August 25th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    Yankee Trader -

    Found this: From Sports Illustrated http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

    8. Who can be placed on waivers?
    Any member of a club’s 40-man roster who is not suspended or on the disabled list can be placed on waivers, per 10(e)(7) and 10(e)(8), unless the minimum amount of time of a player’s D.L. stint has elapsed.
    Also, as noted by a major-league source, “Sometimes a 40-man minor-league player who is a component in a trade will simply become a player to be named later if he gets blocked [on waivers] during August.”

  46. Villa Nova-Ya August 25th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    Yankee Trader -

    Also one thing I would say is that the Red Sox are expert at exploiting all the esoterica in MLB’s rules, so there’s that, too. ;)

  47. Cashmoney August 25th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    rational moves… Yanks needs to assess their window of opportunity and acting according. That itself is highly subjective. What Cash and Co do this off season will indicate what their assessment is. I already stated i think the window for this current team is closing fast and lack of readily avail falents in FA and other sources could very well force the Yankee for a couple bridging years. Some ppl don’t think that’s realistic possibility, I think it’s silly that the Yanks can’t contemplate rebuilding process. It’s a new reality MLB has force team like the Yankees to think about it.

  48. Yankee Trader August 25th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    GF-

    Please no LOL on the above thought about trading Cano! :)

    Villa-
    Thanks for the research.

  49. joeman August 25th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    someone say trade Gardner……. Beckett is going to like pitching in LA, Dodgers should have asked for Ellsbury instead of Crawford…Boston might have still done the trade

  50. Brian44 August 25th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    If the price was right, Tex would have no problem uprooting his family from NY.

  51. Yankee Trader August 25th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Villa-

    Now I’m convinced the RS, knowing Crawford would need offseason TJ, did not put him on the DL prior to August 1st, even if it meant his earlier recovery, knowing that there were interested teams out there that would wait until he cleared waivers and discuss trading for him!

  52. joeman August 25th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Giuseppe Franco August 25th, 2012 at 10:04 am
    Good grief. LOL.

    Bret’s post @ 9:59 is hilarious.

    Sure, the Yanks should be bold and take dumb risks because the RS have blown up their team.

    ————————————————
    a trade like this happens once every 10 years…trying to think back can’t remember very many

  53. Yankee Trader August 25th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    8:53am: Dylan Hernandez of The Los Angeles Times reports (on Twitter) that the deal is not yet official and reports of it being complete are premature.

  54. deleonj August 25th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    as much as i dislike beckettnow, i wouldnt mind seeing have a good year or two in LA just so that red sox ans are pissed

  55. jacksquat August 25th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    I don’t know that they couldn’t spend the money. They could pick up Hamilton for RF/LF, Swisher for 1B/LF/RF, resign Papi, and a good starting pitcher and boom, back in business.

  56. Yankee Trader August 25th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    If I were the Dodgers I’d certainly want to wait on how the surgery went next week, for Crawford.

  57. blake August 25th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    Im sure they did ask for Ellsbury instead of Crawford…..problem is that 1) boston probably wouldnt do that 2) im sure somebody with a higher waiver priority claimed Ellsbury (or coukd have)

    This deal is crazy because it has 3 players that virtually only one team wpukd have claimed on waivers…..

  58. Cashmoney August 25th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    as much as i dislike beckettnow, i wouldnt mind seeing have a good year or two in LA just so that red sox ans are pissed
    —–
    kinda like Burnett, i doubt the RS will shed a tear if he won the CY young in NL. i think they are elated to rid of him.

  59. joeman August 25th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    didn’t hear about any waiver claim on Ellsbury, if there was they usually put it out there

  60. joeman August 25th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    deal is sick in terms of all the $ involved

  61. Cashmoney August 25th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    ellsbury is even more injury prone than Crawford. he will soon to be expensive as FA. the guy has Jekyll and Hyde years in terms of production. I am not entirely sure Dodgers asked for Ells instead of C. I think they are thinking C in terms of next year obviously with kemp at center.

  62. blake August 25th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Funny that Beckett and Hanley finally end up on the same team….just not in Boston.

  63. Giuseppe Franco August 25th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Brian44 August 25th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    If the price was right, Tex would have no problem uprooting his family from NY.

    ———–

    I tend to doubt that. Uprooting one’s family is especially tough on kids. Money doesn’t make any difference to them.

    I couldn’t imagine being the child of a career military parent who continues to move up the ranks and is forced to move all over the country (or all over the world in some cases).

  64. Villa Nova-Ya August 25th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Oh Boston might be – might be – out of the picture, but Tampa and Baltimore are not.

    This deal that Boston and LA just made – it is not a precursor to anything else like this happening, it is not a sign that Cashman should do stuff that is “out there.” This is a one-of-a-kind situation.

  65. blake August 25th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    “didn’t hear about any waiver claim on Ellsbury, if there was they usually put it out there”

    They arent always reported…..

  66. blake August 25th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    Caller just in and asked why thr Dodgers are celebrated for a move like this whike the Yankees would be crushed for ruining the game…..Casey Stern said it was Jealousy with a capital J……I agree.

  67. Cashmoney August 25th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    The real enemy has been Tampa for quite a few years now.

  68. I Am Winning August 25th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    “didn’t hear about any waiver claim on Ellsbury, if there was they usually put it out there”

    There would be zero interest in the Red Sox organization so you would likely never hear of it. The trades talks would be real premature with no juice so it would likely stay behind the scenes.

  69. Bo knows August 25th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    In a year or two it’s a three way fight for tops with the Yankees and Boston bringing up the rear. Tampa is there indefinately, Baltimore is full value and Toronto will get healthy.

    Cashman and the troops must be gaming scenarios non-stop to forestall this. A lot of screaming by entitled fans. As it stands now, Granderson is gone, Hughes gets his extension, and Swisher gets his 4/60 if we’re lucky.

  70. Cashmoney August 25th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    right said Bo.

  71. Cashmoney August 25th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    well said :D

  72. blake August 25th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    “In a year or two it’s a three way fight for tops with the Yankees and Boston bringing up the rear.”

    I doubt that…..

  73. blake August 25th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    People have been saying the Yanks were old and dead for like 10 years now…..

    I do wonder though if the magic will fade after Jeter is gone….

  74. 86w183 August 25th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    I think it’s a three way fight for third with the Yanks and Rays in front…. IF the Rays can figure out how to keep David Price et al.

    How much should he ask for in arbitration? I’m thinking $ 15 M minimum. He’s gonna have his second high Cy Young finish in three years

  75. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    Trying to resign Kuroda just became more difficult – Sox will go after him

  76. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    2013 MLB Amateur draft has some lefties in it – and Yanks could have draft picks coming their way w/ Swisher and possibly Kuroda going elsewhere.

  77. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    http://www.baseballamerica.com.....13888.html

  78. blake August 25th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    I dont think thr Rays can keep Price and theyll trade him witjin a year or two…..he will get very pricey in arbitration and if he continues as he os he will get Cole Hamels money or more in free agency.

  79. blake August 25th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Dodgers have added more than $300 million in contracts in roughly a month. Or in McCourt math: 11 lawyers, 6 homes and a trip to Paris — Troy Renck, Rockies (@TroyRenck)

  80. Cashmoney August 25th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    the ability to throw money around to bring in talents are severe curtailed by existing contracts and aging players. There is no clear way to obtain premium talents with the new cba in place. It’s a new reality many have come to realized. and it’s a legit issue when you examine this team down the road. Who do you shed and keep is the salient question of the next few years. The magic will not fade if you bring in talents.

  81. 86w183 August 25th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    The Rays have unbelievably club friendly deals with Shields and Longoria, but having to go $ 15 M per with Price is gonna strangle them.

    Gonna be interesting to see what they do. Texas has the young arms and a star caliber SS to make a helluva offer. Don’t think they’d even talk with Yanks about him.

    I don’t think Kuroda would go to Boston. My guess is he re-ups with the Yanks for maybe $ 12 or something like that or goes home to Japan. Historically Japanese players have preferred not to move around much.

    heading out for a bit…later!

  82. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    If the Yankees bought three players like the Dodgers just did, the uproar would have been off the charts.

  83. Cashmoney August 25th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    it’s f*&ing shame that Tampa can’t even keep a star like Price. I think blake might be right they might soon spin him off for a huge haul. Tampa would be the most dangerous team in the division if they can have 80 mil budge every year.

  84. Against All Odds August 25th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    If the Yankees bought three players like the Dodgers just did, the uproar would have been off the charts.

    ———————

    Some ppl were upset when they brought in Ichiro lol

  85. blake August 25th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    John Walters ?@jdubs88

    Curiously, every Red Sox who was traded asked same question upon hearing news: “LA? Isn’t Heidi Watney there now?”

  86. blake August 25th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    Pete Abraham ?@PeteAbe

    RT @nickcafardo: Jose Iglesias and Che Hseun Lin coming up to Red Sox.

    lol….

  87. Bo knows August 25th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    I do wonder though if the magic will fade after Jeter is gone
    ————–
    The Yankees could afford big gambles and survive the ones that crashed. That is no longer in play. Then, the old management on other teams is mostly gone. The young lions make less mistakes and have bought into development systems. There is more money for all teams. Offense is much harder to come by. The rules are in place for parity and the talent pool is smaller. I was shocked by the average performance level of SS and 3B in the Majors.

  88. blake August 25th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Oh if the Yankees just absorbed all that money then the “Yankees are killing baseball” screams would have been deafening……

  89. blake August 25th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Bo,

    yea….I agree…Ive been saying that stuff for awhile….but payroll does still help and if the Yankees can be smart about this thing then they should be ok…..but the key word is “smart”….they have to be much more efficient and make wiser choices than they have in the past to stay on top….they can’t spend their way out of mistakes unless they are willing to go past 189……..it’s why its pretty important that their young pitchers figure it out….they need Nova to find it….they need Banuelos to make it….and they really need Pineda to be worthwhile.

  90. Cashmoney August 25th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    yanks have above avg bat in Nunez except he is blocked by Jeter. If this was Tampa, Jeter would have been traded. just saying.

  91. waldo geraldo faldo August 25th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    realKevin, Alex Rodriguez is Carl Crawford in this scenario, Mark Teixeira is Adrian Gonzalez. However, A-rod is more valuable than Crawford, being a 3B.

  92. waldo geraldo faldo August 25th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    If they dumped all the contracts, I would be semi-OK with that.

    The price of getting Gonzalez was taking on Crawford and Beckett.

    But they also gave up 3 top prospects.

    This deal should be negated by Bud Selig.

  93. The Genius Maker August 25th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    It was great to see CC out there and Robertson broke out a changeup!

    My take

    http://stevewigdor.blogspot.com/

  94. blake August 25th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    Old Hoss Radbourn ?@OldHossRadbourn

    Admirable of the Dodgers to show their desire to spend money by blowing it on a declining 1B, a broken OF, and a thing named J. Beckett.

  95. Bo knows August 25th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    it’s why its pretty important that their young pitchers figure it out….they need Nova to find it….they need Banuelos to make it….and they really need Pineda to be worthwhile.
    ———
    Yep.

    As to changing course, the Yankees are that leviathan and will the suits put up with the downturn in fortune. Right now the Yankee offense is Jeter and Cano, with Swisher an unexpected addition. The rest are various degrees of support staff, much as it pains me to admit it. That Teix, Grandy talent vs output, performance has doubled my bar bill. The Yankees are being shut down offensively more and more often.

    Those three pitchers you mentioned are the key for sure.

  96. RadioKev August 25th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    The Rays, Orioles, and Blue Jays have to be invigorated by this trade. Making the playoffs will be more attainable than ever.

  97. Against All Odds August 25th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Would if be fair to say Romine is important as well?

  98. Cashmoney August 25th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    The Yanks will have to do things that haven’t done before. the idea of dumping player who are still in their prime but may not be at the end of next contract need to be entertained. Trading for undervalue young talents on other team is another. I think the crux of the contention among lohudders are whether or not this FO from top down (includes Hal and Cash) are apt to such task. It’s wait and see.

  99. mick August 25th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    The Dodgers are trying to become what we once were, a team loaded with names including the Mgr.
    They have it all now, let’s see what they do with it. It only seems to buy so much,
    if they have the money to blow, it’s not like it hasn’t been done before.
    Beckett looks shot, Agon isn’t a pressure player. Punto might be their most valuable addition.

  100. joeman August 25th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    blake August 25th, 2012 at 11:06 am
    People have been saying the Yanks were old and dead for like 10 years now…..

    I do wonder though if the magic will fade after Jeter is gone….

    ————————————-
    I’ll answer that…….YES

  101. blake August 25th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    “Would if be fair to say Romine is important as well?”

    I dont think so…..but that wave of A ball bats is

  102. joeman August 25th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    Beckett & AGon will be nice fits for them

  103. Bo knows August 25th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    It was great to see CC out there and Robertson broke out a changeup!

    —————–
    On that Robertson pitch, I actually sat up and went “What the hell was that”? Went to gameday to double check.

  104. mick August 25th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Bret @9:59 is onto something.
    When the RS sets the salary bar lower it will further lower our sights.
    Hal does not want to be atop the salary ladder anymore.
    This could frugalize Hal even more.
    LA will now be #1 in spending, let’s see what it buys them, it don’t come easy.

  105. Captain Clutch August 25th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    I hope that Boston’s next move isn’t getting Upton from the Dbacks in the off season. I don’t know anything about the prospects that they got from the Dodgers but I hope they aren’t good enough to get Upton or even Felix. The Sox wouldn’t trade Gonzalez if they didn’t have a plan or idea of where their next star player would come from. They have a lot of money to work with now and hopefully a team doesn’t give them a star player for nothing like they got in the past.

  106. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Weird past 24 hours – you see these kind of trades in the NBA b/c there IS a salary cap – but baseball there is no cap except an owner personal decision to stay at 189 million – a self-imposed cap. It is a salary dump – Knicks did this all the time leading up to the summer of Lebron. Saying this a homerun is premature – now it matters what the Sox do next. There are not many FAs to choose from in the coming seasons except Hamilton, Greinke, Kuroda, Ellsbury, Lincencum, Garza – and all come with their blemishes. The Sox are going to have rebuild more through their farm and make astute trade for primetime trades – and it is not as if they just hit a true homerun and acquired Profar in this trade or Dylan Bundy – or Walker or Bauer – the Sox would do well to pick high in the draft in the coming years and rebuild in that mold.

    The Sox are now closer to the 2011-2012 Mets than they are to the 2003-2009 Sox

  107. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    When the highlight of your season is a salary dump/fire sale – there is no praise or homerun wax poetic accolades

    It is declaring baseball bankruptcy – you are judged now how you recover

  108. Bo knows August 25th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    I dont think so…..but that wave of A ball bats is

    —————
    With all the injuries – there’s Adams and Tampa, to check on, das it. Gumbs has disappeared, last I heard he hurt himself swinging. Bichette is struggling big time. One ray of sunshine – Ramirez was sitting 96/97. He’s 22 with a long list of injuries.

  109. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Sox will rebuild around this monster prospect

    http://www.milb.com/milb/stats.....pid=593428

  110. mick August 25th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    Who’s to say the RS won’t repeat their prior mistakes and go after a Hamilton to replace Agon’s bat?
    Will he use the Monster properly?
    Will he respond to the pressure as Agon did’(nt)?
    There are no guarantees.
    To say their mindset has changed is premature.

  111. blake August 25th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    Bo,

    Im hoping between Heafhcott, Mason, Flores, Austin, etc that surely 1 or 2 will pan out and can contribute in the outfield …..then of course there is Sanchez who they really need to be the real thing.

    Lot of interesting players …..they just are mostly a couple years away

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