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Welcome to Cleveland

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 25, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This is an actual sign that’s stuck to the window of my hotel room…

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306 Responses to “Welcome to Cleveland”

  1. blake August 25th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Dont tell Joba thy are harmless

  2. arjay August 25th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Totally Awesome Side Benefit of the Big Trade:

    Fat punk Beckett will now have to go to bat and put his OWN ass (& head) on the line, the next time he throws at an opposing player. That’s just beautiful. Do the Yanks play the Dodgers interleague in 2013? He’d better get a Cervelli Gizmo helmet.

  3. Tar August 25th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    The nerve I tell ya. :shock:

  4. blake August 25th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    That is nice…..I wanna see Beckett in that batters box after the next time he throws one of his patented temolper tantrums on the mound.

  5. blake August 25th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    They said on broadcast last night that bug spray actually attracts the midges…..so Joba was just feeding the fire. I still cant believe Torre let him pitch through that mess……..

  6. Bo knows August 25th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    He’d better get a Cervelli Gizmo helmet.
    ————–
    Okay, that tickles the risibility.

  7. Against All Odds August 25th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    mick August 25th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    Who’s to say the RS won’t repeat their prior mistakes and go after a Hamilton to replace Agon’s bat?

    ————————–

    That’s what I thought but then I said why would they be that stupid. This deal gives them the flexibility to take a step back and reassess things. If the FA class had guys like Hamels, Cain, Verlander, Stanton, Kemp, and others then hell yea they would spend but it doesn’t. Hell it’s not even the CC, Tex, Burnett class

  8. Bo knows August 25th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Blake

    I’ve actually listened to some of the Tampa games while doing something else. Been years.

  9. Against All Odds August 25th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    blake August 25th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    “Would if be fair to say Romine is important as well?”

    I dont think so…..but that wave of A ball bats is

    ————————–

    Yep.

    Just wish there was a bridge to those bats

  10. St. Pete Yankee August 25th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    I wonder how many of those signs have been put up on the window of the room Joba was given this week.

  11. mick August 25th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    That’s what I thought but then I said why would they be that stupid.
    ======================
    In our case Hal has a different mindset than his father.
    What’s their excuse?
    I can see more of the same…

  12. Bo knows August 25th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    I wonder if it’s something as simple as Nova is tipping pitches. They’ve been hitting the snot out of what looked like quality pitches. For sure, his sinker has disappeared so that doesn’t play.

  13. Against All Odds August 25th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    I think the crux of the contention among lohudders are whether or not this FO from top down (includes Hal and Cash) are apt to such task. It’s wait and see.

    ———————-

    That’s where the debate on what are the best moves to make comes from. Are these guy sup to challenge of getting through this transition. The rough season on the farm probably has thrown things off a bit.

  14. nettles August 25th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    You’d think the very least they could do would be to spell “Chamberlain” correctly.

  15. Against All Odds August 25th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    mick August 25th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    That’s what I thought but then I said why would they be that stupid.
    ======================
    In our case Hal has a different mindset than his father.
    What’s their excuse?
    I can see more of the same…

    ———————————–

    It might be more of the same and I would laugh if it was but it would negate the move they just made.

  16. blake August 25th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    “I wonder if it’s something as simple as Nova is tipping pitches.”

    You know thats a good point….cause even though hes been up and he doesnt have a ton of deception in his delivery…..its not like hes throwing 88 mph meatballs up there…..these guys are hammering 94-96 many times……big leaguers can time a bullet if they know its coming.

  17. Tar August 25th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Been traveling a little bit so kind of hard to keep up.

    If you add up the prospects that the Sox gave up for Gonzalez and are now receiving back for him-is it a wash?

    The salary dump is just unbeleivable.

  18. mick August 25th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    It might be more of the same and I would laugh if it was but it would negate the move they just made.
    =====================
    What are they building around?
    Pedroia? Ellsbury will be gone soon as they seem to be burning their bridges.
    At least we have the talent till some of our kids come around, if they do.
    They don’t…

  19. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    now on the radar

    http://www.baseball-reference......rgas001ces

  20. 4 NYY August 25th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    Wonder if little PED is “jumping up” over this ?

    Pig Poopy says : What am I doing here ?

    Valentine says: Man, am I happy ! Or am I ?

    Ellsbury says : Gonna be a rich dude !

  21. 4 NYY August 25th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    sux have a pretty good pen. Some could be traded.

  22. Against All Odds August 25th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    mick August 25th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    It might be more of the same and I would laugh if it was but it would negate the move they just made.
    =====================
    What are they building around?
    —————————————

    I’m guessing guys like Middlebrooks, the catcher, and a few others. Loney is going to be gone.

  23. kd August 25th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    gotta wonder if ortiz will sign there again. if he gets a two year deal from some other team, say the bluejays, why wouldn’t he go and try to win?

    in full rebuilding mode, why would a free agent take anything less than a 7 year deal there?

  24. waldo geraldo faldo August 25th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    People like to claim Pedroia is a leader. In actuality, he plays hard, but is an arrogant, pompous douche. He probably has some supporters in the clubhouse, but likely also has people that are turned off by his behavior. His snapping photos with a sleeping Bobby V was shameful.

  25. Bret The Hitman August 25th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    There are no FA solutions on the horizon. The Yankees could take on buy-low free agents like BJ Upton and Melky Cabrera… it’s not like they’re missing out on big guns. It’s either buy-low for those guys or overpay for Swisher or Hamilton. Let Boston do the overspending now that they have the money to do it. I really think this dump by Boston paves the way for the Yankees to go cheap. Sure they will lose production but they will still be better than a rebuilding Sox team.

    The Yankees could definitely sell off Hughes, Granderson, Joba and Gardner before they get too expensive. Reload with prospects and maybe target a buy-low trade candidate like Justin Upton.

    Ignore FA pitchers now that Hamels and Cain are off the board. Go year to year with Pettitte and Kuroda.

    The Red Sox just made things much easier on Hal and Cashman. They are no longer driving higher the salaries of players. Boston took the hint.

    Let the era of dumpster diving commence.

    And hopefully the Yankees add great prospects in trades and hopefully the main Yankees prospects pan out – Sanchez, Williams, Heathcott, Banuelos, Pineda, Campos…

  26. austinmac August 25th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    The Red sox have moved in the direction the Yankees wish they could–get younger and cheaper. The Yankees have large, no-trade contracts which will prevent such moves.

    I can’t imagine the Sox signing anyone for a large, long contract. This trade shows they are over that philosophy. They will be in the trade business. They will certainly compete with the Yankees for anyone with a reasonable contract, but they can spend money while the Yankees will not.

    I do agree with an earlier poster than the Sox actions will green light moves to a lower payroll for the Yankees under Hal.

  27. Duh Innings II August 25th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    So sad that some Cleveland Indians fans think the Indians needed a swarm of insects (midges) to win a game / postseason series. LOL @ the dunce who made this sign misspelling Joba’s last name – Chamberlin? ChamberlAin ya dumbass!

    Whoever made that sign should’ve said that episode on the mound was a big reason why Joe Torre was let go with an ef you one-year contract offer the Yankees knew he’d never accept, while he/she was at it. How Torre didn’t order his players off the field and tell the umpires his players are not getting back on it until those midges were cleared was and still is beyond me, and I hope he heard it from Cashman, Levine, and whoever else. What were the umps gonna do, call a forfeit? Cleveland would’ve wanted an official asterisk next to their game win and possibly series win (which they already have although unofficial)? MLB would’ve given the Indians a win because the Yanks refused to play because of a force of nature which was hampering their pitcher from doing the best job he could possibly do? In a postseason game? So if the Indians make the postseason again one day, the opposing team’s pitcher will have to grin and bear a swarm of midges?

    Re: the impending (done?) Red Sox-Dodger trade:

    Boston’s 2013 rotation’s gonna suck ass next year hahaha. Lester/Bucholz/Doubront/2 TBD (Lackey after missing an entire year? Bard given a second chance?) Who’s their bullpen besides Bailey (who hasn’t pitched all of 2012 either), Miller, and Aceves? They have last place for next year as well as this year written all over them if the Os have finally turned a corner this season.

    I’m happy half of the four biggest jerks on that team (Beckett and Gonzalez) are gone (Ortiz and Padilla being the other jerks.) Maybe they’ll kiss off Padilla, too. I wonder what Ortiz is thinking right now. He must be furious. I bet he signs elsewhere – perhaps a return to Minnesota the team he started with? Baltimore, Tampa Bay, or Toronto so he could stick it to the Red Sox 18X a year? The Yankees if he REALLY wants to stick it to the Red Sox? Hey, I’d welcome him with open arms for a year and a mil over his 2012 salary, cuz he can still flat out hit and would be the third-best hitter in the everyday lineup after Jeter and Cano. It’d be a trip to see him in the lineup.

  28. Bret The Hitman August 25th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Yankees still have plenty of role player prospects too – Romine, Adams, Nunez, Betances, Montgomery.

  29. MG August 25th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    I’m probably in the minority but think the Dodgers did exactly the kind of thing many Yankees fans want them to do-that is, ignore the luxury tax threshold and get as many top players as you can regardless of the cost.

    It’s a given that Gonzalez will perform in LA but it’s likely that both Beckett and Crawford will perform significantly better in the laid back atmosphere of LA instead of having to deal with the Boston fanbase and media.

    As for the Sox, I don’t really care what they do but they most likely won’t be much of a threat for a few years, you don’t totally rebuild a ballclub on the fly with a rooking GM in place.

    As for the Yankees, great outing for CC last night-it was a win they really needed with the Rays losing.

    And what can you say about Swish, without he and Jeter they would probably have lost 3 or 4 more games out of the last 10.

  30. Villa Nova-Ya August 25th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    wow – Joba Chamberlain as Cleveland folklore.

    :)

  31. mick August 25th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Imagine if the Yankees consisted of all role players.

    Nothing wrong with Ibanez’, Chavez’ and all the utility guys but that is what the RS have reduced themselves to.
    They left themselves with nothing to build around and should finish last for the near future.

    The same guys in charge didn’t see this coming.
    Why should there be a drastic change for the better?

  32. waldo geraldo faldo August 25th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    MG, they didn’t get top players. They got declining players with large contracts at no valuable defensive positions and gave away 3 top prospects.

  33. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    Go year to year with Pettitte and Kuroda.

    ******

    Boston can easily outbid the Yanks now for Kuroda – - – -

  34. Against All Odds August 25th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    The Yankees could definitely sell off Hughes,

    ————————

    With Pineda, Manny, and Dellin hurt I don’t see the Yankees moving Hughes.

  35. Bret The Hitman August 25th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    I don’t think Boston has any interest in going year to year. I think they are committed to a 2-3 year rebuild. That means no Papi and no Kuroda.

  36. austinmac August 25th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    I do wonder what will happen with Cano. The Yankees, like the Sox, have learned $150 plus million dollars eight year contracts rarely end well. Jeter was a rare exception, but he was young.

    Do we really want to be paying Cano $23 million a year when he is 40? That is what it will take. Boras isn’t big on discounts. Weaver forced an exception, but I see no reason to think Cano would do so.

  37. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    Bret The Hitman August 25th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
    I don’t think Boston has any interest in going year to year. I think they are committed to a 2-3 year rebuild. That means no Papi and no Kuroda.

    ********

    Kuroda would do a 2-3 deal – and based on how he has performed – Sox would take him as some of the younger arms fill in the rotation

  38. austinmac August 25th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    Stoneburner,

    The pitcher at Charleston is on whose radar?

  39. Bret The Hitman August 25th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    I think by next year’s deadline, they will have a better read on Banuelos, Pineda, Nova and Phelps. Selling high on Hughes at that point might be a no-brainer. Again, maybe there is a slight drop in production but the division just opened up as the Sox plunged into a 2-3 year rebuild. So there should be no panic about the difference in performance between Hughes and say Nova.

  40. BD (Boston Dave) August 25th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    wait. It helped them win the American League Division Series series?

  41. Against All Odds August 25th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    They will certainly compete with the Yankees for anyone with a reasonable contract, but they can spend money while the Yankees will not.

    ——————–

    I agree. I think if a no doubt guy hits the market then they would be all over him. They are not going to want to overpay for guys past their prime or players with warts.

  42. waldo geraldo faldo August 25th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    MG, you are right, though. I would have liked the Yankees to ignore the luxury to grab a player like HanRam for nothing but a fringe minor leaguer.

  43. mick August 25th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    The sox are a mimic team of the Yanks.
    Monkey see , monkey do.
    They see we are trying to lower payroll so they one up us this time.
    The only thing is: they have left their team dry.
    Big Papi is gone, Ellsbury gone…Pedroia will be next.
    They will be left with nothing and will sell the team.
    Attendance will be halved….they are in suicide mode.

  44. Bret The Hitman August 25th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    Stoneburner,

    I think the trade indicates that Boston realized they could not win-now period, with or without those players. I think they just want to be cheaper as they fail to compete in the division. There’s no reason to spend over these next 2-3 years unless a long-term answer reveals itself via trade. The free agent market is barren of long term solutions. Even Melky and BJ Upton would be test trials for the Yankees.

  45. BIG AL August 25th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    I would hope the Yankees FO has the balls to do what the Sux did, dump the high paid players that are not performing, and go young!

    If we could turn back the clock and have A-Jax in CF and Granderson back in Detroit, oh such wishful thinking. :)

  46. BD (Boston Dave) August 25th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    I know Ibanez has helped this season and of course we know the Yankees value a guy who can play the field…

    … but Ortiz has proven me wrong. The guy can still hit. Maybe he’ll slow down soon. But to discount how much better he is than Ibanez or Andruw Jones because Papi is strictly a DH is a mistake.

    That said, there is probably no “discount” for Ortiz so that’s a factor of course.

  47. Against All Odds August 25th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Selling high on Hughes at that point might be a no-brainer. A

    ——————–
    Sure if they could package Hughes and get Upton but they have been waiting for him to get on track for yrs. Hughes is basically tied to Cashman’s hip

    Even though he might never reach his ceiling; they are more than giddy with his performance this yr.

  48. DONNYBROOK August 25th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    I like the LA\BoSox deal, as it is good publicity for MLB. As for it’s impact on the Yankees, I have no interest on focusing on that. As long as you take care of your own house, everything else will fall into place. If I was a R\Sox fan though, I would be wearing a black armband today. The end of this season will mark the 3rd straight without a Playoff appearance, and More empty Octobers dead ahead.

  49. BD (Boston Dave) August 25th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    The Red Sox are probably going to miss the playoffs for FOUR straight seasons and quite possibly more.

    I can’t imagine the modern day Yanks, with two wild-cards especially, having that happen.

  50. Bret The Hitman August 25th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    But the landscape has changed. In the same way the Yankees chose Gardner over the all-star Crawford, they would go with Phelps over extending Hughes at mid-rotation money. The production drops but so does the payroll and that’s the pattern I’m seeing.

  51. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Bret The Hitman August 25th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
    Stoneburner,

    I think the trade indicates that Boston realized they could not win-now period, with or without those players. I think they just want to be cheaper as they fail to compete in the division. There’s no reason to spend over these next 2-3 years unless a long-term answer reveals itself via trade. The free agent market is barren of long term solutions. Even Melky and BJ Upton would be test trials for the Yankees.

    ******

    They have about 56-60 million committed next year pre-abritration. Plus – some Sox officials are on record about how they thought the Kuroda signing by the Yanks was very astute – all I am saying is that I can see them and other teams being a player for Kuroda – now Kuroda has always gone by the beat of his own drum and may stay here or go back to Japan instead of going to a new environment in Boston

  52. mick August 25th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    So now the rs is going to raid our system and overpay for our players?
    I highly doubt that will work.
    If they overpay Kuroda will that kill our team?
    No.

  53. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    I am not as down on Phil. Sure if I could package him in a deal for Upton, Gordon, or Bruce – I would do it – but I doubt that would happen.

  54. Barry August 25th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Why do peoole on this board believe the Yanks will go into a rebuilding, cost effective mode…? Prospects aren’t worth much until they become big time major leaguers. The Red Sox are a special situation. The Dodgers, big time right now. And today is all that matters. The future, unpredictable.

  55. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    mick August 25th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
    So now the rs is going to raid our system and overpay for our players?
    I highly doubt that will work.
    If they overpay Kuroda will that kill our team?
    No.

    ******

    Take Kuroda off this year’s team – and yes – it would kill the team. Take him off next year – idk – but I cannot answer no at this point.

  56. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    And another thing – Sox can drive up the price w/ Granderson and Cano now – or at least Boras and Granderson’s agent will try to create that illusion

  57. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    And today is all that matters. The future, unpredictable.

    *****

    very true

  58. austinmac August 25th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    Boston Dave,

    I can imagine the Yankees missing the playoffs a number of times in a row. Why not?

    They will spend less than most on future contracts for the next several years, they have little in the high levels minors, and their core is aging quickly.

    My first five years watching baseball were five years the Yankees went to the Series. I never dreamed it would come utterly crashing down. Past success is no guarantee of future success. I learned the hard way.

  59. Giuseppe Franco August 25th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    Some people aren’t entirely grasping why the RS have made these moves this season and how their situation is completely different from the Yanks.

    The only similarity is that both teams want to lower payroll. That’s it.

    The Yanks continue to field a perennial WS contender every season and still currently possess the best record despite having as many key injuries as any team in the league.

    On the other side, the RS were already guaranteed to miss the postseason for the 3rd year in a row and their clubhouse has been a disaster for at least the last 2 seasons.

    Their situations are hardly comparable. It’s not like the RS front office was channeling their inner Jerry Krause and blowing up the Chicago Bulls in the late 90s. They HAVE to make major changes. The Yanks do not.

    Sure, the Yanks have plenty of tough decisions to make of their own the next couple of years but they haven’t completely fallen on their collective faces as the RS have.

  60. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    they have little in the high levels minors

    *********

    Sox do have a super prospect in Xander – in the high minors AA

    http://www.milb.com/milb/stats.....pid=593428

  61. waldo geraldo faldo August 25th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    Stoneburner, weren’t you suspended for a month? ;)

  62. austinmac August 25th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    Stoneburner,

    I have never seen the Sox prospect play, but a 19 year old shortstop putting up those numbers is impressive. The Yankees have no one at that age at AA much less one playing like he is playing.

  63. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    waldo geraldo faldo August 25th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
    Stoneburner, weren’t you suspended for a month?

    *******

    Naah – I voluntarily had Chad delete my original account after a particular poster made light of “rape.” After a cooling off period, I realized I would not let that poster win, so I am now back – hence the return.

  64. Against All Odds August 25th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    I wonder if the Red Sox would make a play for Andrus in the winter

  65. Giuseppe Franco August 25th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    austinmac August 25th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    My first five years watching baseball were five years the Yankees went to the Series. I never dreamed it would come utterly crashing down. Past success is no guarantee of future success. I learned the hard way.

    ————

    It hasn’t come crashing down.

    They’ve been in the postseason in all but one season since 1995 (and probably would have made it in 1994 as well).

    They also own the best record in MLB as of this writing.

    This streak of success is going to end sooner or later, but the front office isn’t going to do anything radical until they are forced to do it.

  66. waldo geraldo faldo August 25th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    I was joking, Stoneburner. I read that a few days ago. I’m sorry for making you repeat yourself. I thought the wink was explanatory.

  67. Against All Odds August 25th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Stoneburner has written some good posts over the past few days. I am shocked but in a good way.

  68. BD (Boston Dave) August 25th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    “And another thing – Sox can drive up the price w/ Granderson and Cano now – or at least Boras and Granderson’s agent will try to create that illusion”

    ————-

    let the Sawx give Granderson a ton of money.

    He won’t be nearly as good at Fenway as he is for the Yanks.

  69. LGY August 25th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    KURODA on the Red Sox? Please don’t make me sick.

    Also, he has only been interested in 1 year deals the past two years.

  70. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    austinmac August 25th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
    Stoneburner,

    I have never seen the Sox prospect play, but a 19 year old shortstop putting up those numbers is impressive. The Yankees have no one at that age at AA much less one playing like he is playing.

    ******

    Yeah, next Profar with the Rangers – this kid is probably one of the hottest prospects out there. Profar has the switch hitting advantage – but this Xander kid they have – if he is really 19 – is 6′ 3″ – so he has the body type to do some serious power damage – especially with the green monster. In a few seasons – we are going to dread seeing him come up to the plate. You are right – we have nothing similar to this kid – and at SS – a premium position. Even Gary Sanchez is in a lower league at a similar league.

  71. BD (Boston Dave) August 25th, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    austinmac,

    I think GF said it.

    I suppose the Yankees could miss the playoffs and have a ‘rebuilding period’ at some point but it doesn’t seem overly likely to happen in the near future right now.

  72. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Against All Odds August 25th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
    Stoneburner has written some good posts over the past few days. I am shocked but in a good way.

    ******

    People can change. I ask for the board’s forgiveness and my humble apology – I am over the Montero silliness of the past. Go Yanks!

  73. BD (Boston Dave) August 25th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Xander?

    I can’t believe freakin Ciriaco is hitting as well as he is.

    Forget a 19 yr old hitting in the low minors.

  74. Bret The Hitman August 25th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Stoneburner is knowledgeable. He just grew annoyed with the nonstop crying over Montero. Did he overreact? Possibly. But did opponents of the trade contribute to his overreaction. Definitely. You have to see past it. There are very few posters here who only contribute animosity and negative to a discussion.

  75. Bret The Hitman August 25th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    negativity.

  76. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    LGY August 25th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
    KURODA on the Red Sox? Please don’t make me sick.

    Also, he has only been interested in 1 year deals the past two years.

    *****

    While true – I am just no sleeping on the Sox making a play for him. Believe – I do not want it to happen – but I am also preparing mentally for anxiety of the rumors in November and December that Kuroda’s agent is meeting with Cherington

  77. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    Oakland up 3-0 !!!!

  78. Ys Guy August 25th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    the old delayed double steal by crisp and the a’s take a 1-0 lead!

    maddon must be jelous…

  79. waldo geraldo faldo August 25th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    I’ve seen nothing but knowledgeable contributions from Stoneburner, no idea what there is to apologize for.

  80. Ys Guy August 25th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    …and a 2 run homer!

  81. mick August 25th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    When will this fear of the RS end?
    Apparently never.
    They have gutted their team but now we fear their money?
    I swear some ppl are so propagandized by the media they should be ashamed of themselves.
    Stop the steady diet of ESPN and start thinking for yourself.
    They are not stealing Kuroda, Cano or Granderson.
    The same idiots that brought you this version of the RS are still running the show.
    They didn’t get smarter.

  82. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    BD (Boston Dave) August 25th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
    Xander?

    I can’t believe freakin Ciriaco is hitting as well as he is.

    Forget a 19 yr old hitting in the low minors.

    *******

    I am not sleeping on a potential 19 year old beast of a shortstop for the Sox – I worry – but I also like my guys in Austin, Heathcott, Williams, Sanchez – and even University of Virginia product David Adams.

  83. mick August 25th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    Stoneburner’s best work has been to expose the hugger and that ilk…

  84. BD (Boston Dave) August 25th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    Stoneburner,

    I like those Yankee prospects too. But haven’t we learned that most of these prospects don’t pan out?

    If I had a share of apple stock for every time I’ve heard ‘potential star’ about a guy who barely played in the majors, I’d have enough to pay PeteAbe in food for cleaning my pool.

  85. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    waldo geraldo faldo August 25th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
    I’ve seen nothing but knowledgeable contributions from Stoneburner, no idea what there is to apologize for.

    ******

    No I was a jerk sometimes – I overreacted to the Montero overreaction

  86. Against All Odds August 25th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Against All Odds August 25th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
    Stoneburner has written some good posts over the past few days. I am shocked but in a good way.

    ******

    People can change. I ask for the board’s forgiveness and my humble apology – I am over the Montero silliness of the past. Go Yanks!

    —————–

    I didn’t want to bring up his name because we all know threads have a way of going to one side. I think the Montero trade created such animosity between posters we all forgot that we’re rooting for the same team. It was probably because many fans had visions of him being the next prospect to lead the way into the future and with the financial budget on the way the team needs young impact players in the worst way. Truth be told if the Yankee team had Hughes and Joba at their ceilings with CC , Kuroda and Andy to go along with Jesus, a healthy Garner, and maybe Jackson. I doubt any of us would care about what the RS have done.

    Go Yanks :D

  87. Giuseppe Franco August 25th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    mick August 25th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    When will this fear of the RS end?
    Apparently never.
    They have gutted their team but now we fear their money?
    I swear some ppl are so propagandized by the media they should be ashamed of themselves.
    Stop the steady diet of ESPN and start thinking for yourself.
    They are not stealing Kuroda, Cano or Granderson.
    The same idiots that brought you this version of the RS are still running the show.
    They didn’t get smarter.

    ———-

    Wow. I must confess, I can’t recall the last time I agreed with anything you said.

    But you read my mind after reading Stoneburner’s fear regarding the RS and their future spending.

    I’ve never understood the fear of the RS even when they were good so I sure as hell don’t understand it now that the franchise is in complete disarray.

  88. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    BD (Boston Dave) August 25th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
    Stoneburner,

    I like those Yankee prospects too. But haven’t we learned that most of these prospects don’t pan out?

    If I had a share of apple stock for every time I’ve heard ‘potential star’ about a guy who barely played in the majors, I’d have enough to pay PeteAbe in food for cleaning my pool.

    ********

    I hear you about prospects are suspects – but it still scares me that they have a 19 year old shortstop in AA who is 6′ 3″ (A-Rod’s height I believe and Manny Machardo) – it just gives me the worries – not for now – but in 2014 – but I like our group coming to – hopefully some of the eggs broken make an omelette – if not – move on to another group

  89. waldo geraldo faldo August 25th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    We’ve learned that the only prospects that pan out for the Yankees are ones that fly under the radar. Wang, Cano, Nova.

    If you would like to consider Hughes as panning out, be my guest.

  90. Against All Odds August 25th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    They didn’t get smarter.

    ——————-

    What they got was the chance to restart. It won’t be pretty but this is their path

  91. mick August 25th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    Wow. I must confess, I can’t recall the last time I agreed with anything you said.
    =============================
    Don’t kid yourself-we agree on more things than not-you just don’t want to admit it ;)

  92. austinmac August 25th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    I have never suggested it has come crashing down. The economic times are changing, the Yankees financial advantage has changed. Just at is did when they first instituted the draft. Now, to win, they will have to he more creative and flexible to keep under their budget plans. Their are no guarantees going forward in this changed market.

  93. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    Against All Odds August 25th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
    The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Against All Odds August 25th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
    Stoneburner has written some good posts over the past few days. I am shocked but in a good way.

    ******

    People can change. I ask for the board’s forgiveness and my humble apology – I am over the Montero silliness of the past. Go Yanks!

    —————–

    I didn’t want to bring up his name because we all know threads have a way of going to one side. I think the Montero trade created such animosity between posters we all forgot that we’re rooting for the same team. It was probably because many fans had visions of him being the next prospect to lead the way into the future and with the financial budget on the way the team needs young impact players in the worst way. Truth be told if the Yankee team had Hughes and Joba at their ceilings with CC , Kuroda and Andy to go along with Jesus, a healthy Garner, and maybe Jackson. I doubt any of us would care about what the RS have done.

    Go Yanks

    ********

    +1 Let’s get Masterson tonight

    Go A’s
    Go Toronto

  94. Against All Odds August 25th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    move on to another group

    ———————

    I’m getting a little tired of that to be honest…nothing directed at you just in general.

  95. BD (Boston Dave) August 25th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    “I hear you about prospects are suspects – but it still scares me that they have a 19 year old shortstop in AA who is 6? 3?”

    ————

    they also had the next superstar SS in Iglesias.

    Middlebrooks looks good. Ciriaco could be a useful player. If I were worried about the Sawx, I’d be much more worried about those two than a 19 yr old with just 14 games at AA because he’s tall.

  96. mick August 25th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    What they got was the chance to restart. It won’t be pretty but this is their path
    ================================
    Into the vast unknown…it could get worse.
    The fans are revolting…yet still sing Sweet Caroline.
    And they are not selling out…don’t believe that hype.

  97. waldo geraldo faldo August 25th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Dont blame you, Stoneburner.

    Although CompassRosy mentioned some statistics last night about him, he’s hitting the best on the road of any MLB player since the ASB. Pretty impressive, albeit in a small sample size.

  98. Duh Innings II August 25th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Kuroda is not signing with the Red Sox because he, a player with no World Series ring, wants to win a World Series which the 2013, 2014, and 2015 Red Sox will not do. Those Red Sox teams may not even make the postseason especially if Lester keeps sucking as badly as he has been this season. The Red Sox didn’t make the postseason for many years with PRIME PEDRO as their ace, what do you think they’re gonna do with Lester who is nowhere close to being as good as prime Pedro as their ace? The only way I see Kuroda signing with Boston or whoever else is if the Yankees win the 2012 World Series, but I could see him thinking “Why not stay with a winner and win more?”

    What? Cuz Bobby Valentine managed in the Japanese League/Japanese players, Kuroda would want to play for him? I bet you neither Kuroda nor Ichiro wants to play for Valentine if Valentine is even the Red Sox manager next year which he shouldn’t and probably won’t be. The Red Sox should fire him immediately after the season is over then eat crow by bringing back Terry Francona who managed their last two World Champion teams and only ones after 1918. Give Francona a four-year deal so everyone knows he is in charge and the inmates are not running the asylum like they have this year with Valentine loving every minute of it like the divisive, dramaqueen worm he is.

    And guess what? It gets better for the Yankees and their fans, worse for the Red Sox and their fans:

    John Lester could be traded this offseason or sometime next season, or let go after next season. He is slated to make $11.625M next season and has a $13M club option with a $250K buyout for 2014. I could see him being traded this offseason or by the trading deadline next season if the Red Sox feel he isn’t worth $13M for 2014 they better pay him so he doesn’t go to free agency. Also, if Lester has a bounceback, Cy Young Award/candidate 2013 and the Red Sox just pick up his 2014 club option that could anger him cuz he’d want a new long-term contract. If the Red Sox want to trade him in 2014, he could pull a 2000 Mike Mussina and simply say he’s not re-signing with who he’s being traded to like Mussina did with the Os. I mean if the guy posts 18-6 with a 2.85 ERA in 2013, the Red Sox are really gonna pick up his 2014 club option and force him to have another season like that? If I were them, I’d talk contract with Lester. You have to build around something.

  99. waldo geraldo faldo August 25th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    Joba can reach his ceiling… all he needs is a trampoline!

  100. austinmac August 25th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    Go A’s. Go Yanks.

    We all sometimes forget we root for the same teams and no matter what our opinions are, they really don’t matter. I doubt Cashman even considers mine. :)

  101. BD (Boston Dave) August 25th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    “Kuroda is not signing with the Red Sox because he, a player with no World Series ring, wants to win a World Series which the 2013, 2014, and 2015 Red Sox will not do.”

    ———-

    that’s a very good point.

    The Sawx are going to want younger players on 3-4 year deals anyway. Whether they can find thoe guys remains to be seen.

    I’d think the Sawx would be very weary and taking the money they freed up and immediately using it in 6-7 yr megadeals.

    Lots of money being thrown around in long, guaranteed contracts these days. Plenty of those deals won’t work out too well for the clubs.

  102. Against All Odds August 25th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    I don’t think it’s fear as it is taking notice of what might be on the horizon. Time can fly by so fast. It was just 5 yrs ago we were talking about Hughes and Joba anchoring the Yankees rotation for the next decade. It was just a couple of seasons ago we had visions of the Bs contributing to the big club. The Red sox won’t be a threat this yr or next but at some point they will be back and it will be interesting to see what state our club is in.

  103. G. Love August 25th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Since I started my fake Gammons twitter feed last year on August 27th, the Red Sox have gone into a complete free fall and are now “rebuilding”.

    I take full credit for dismantling that team.

  104. mick August 25th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    It’s not that we have different opinions here.
    It’s that certain individuals get satisfaction in tweaking others with condescending remarks that intimate that they know better.
    It’s purposely inflammatory and it worked against those that fell prey.
    What’s there to say: Once a nerd, always a nerd…..and you know who you are.

  105. waldo geraldo faldo August 25th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    G. Love, you are the fake Peter Gammons on twitter?

  106. Against All Odds August 25th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    mick August 25th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    What they got was the chance to restart. It won’t be pretty but this is their path
    ================================
    Into the vast unknown…it could get worse.
    The fans are revolting…yet still sing Sweet Caroline.
    And they are not selling out…don’t believe that hype.

    —————————————————————-

    Yes the sell thing is a myth and I’m glad it got exposed.

    Fans would rather venture into the unknown than being hamstrung by big contracts. The unknown could be worse but it provides some hope as well. If you can sell hope to fans they will buy in. They won’t buy in forever but they will initially.

  107. G. Love August 25th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    waldo,

    Yup. I just cracked 600 followers since Ken Rosenthal retweeted me this week. He got me 200 followers in like an hour doing that.

  108. Shame Spencer August 25th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    I may be one of the few.. but I think the Sox shedding all these contracts is only going to make them more dangerous. Could see them dropping cash for Hamilton, Swisher, Greinke, Shields maybe.. They could sign guys for 3-5 year big money deals and still never come close to that luxury tax number…

    I just want to hear that the Dodgers our out on Cano and I will feel better lol..

  109. waldo geraldo faldo August 25th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    I am impressed G. Love. Well done. I give you some credit for the Red Sox collapse

  110. Duh Innings II August 25th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    I don’t see Granderson signing with the Red Sox even if he grabs a World Series ring or two with the Yanks.

    Granderson loves playing for the Yankees and in New York. He loves his teammates, the fans, the ballpark, the energy of it all. Why would he want to ditch all that to play for a rebuilding team in disarray? Fans who would turn on him immediately if he got off to a bad start?

  111. G. Love August 25th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    Shame,

    As long as fake Peter Gammons lives to fight, they will never be dangerous again.

  112. tucker August 25th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    The Sox trade just blows me away.best thing they could have done to claw themselves away from those malcontents ( Beckett, agon), and Crawford should do better in LA.

    I don’t understand this for the Dodgers point of view. Agon and the Padres blew a huge lead to the Giants in 2010. Same thing last year with the Sox. Imagine if the Dodgers don’t take over the Giants this year? What will he complain about. Will Beckett display his “first class white trash” bottle opener in his Dodgers locker?

    Dodgers should have either just taken on salary or received a huge payment from the Sox for taking on that payroll for including some prospects. Taking on those contracts and including prospects makes this a bad deal for the Dodgers.

  113. mick August 25th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    It’s funny how happy RS fans used to be when they were the perpetual underdogs.
    They were above it all, because they were beneath us.
    They always had the Yankees to fall back on to reinforce their identity.

    Now they have hit rock bottom (although it should get worse).
    But there is hope as they could eventually restore the underdog identity that made them famous.

    It just might take another 86 years.

  114. mick August 25th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    would cano take pedeys job away?
    think…

  115. kd August 25th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    gammons in mlb network talking about how red sox are going to rebuild ‘with a great development staff’

    how do people say this? the team was clearly dysfunctional, and who are they calling up from a ‘vaunted farm system?’ a short stop you can’t hit .220 in aaa, imagine if he was a yankee? he would get ripped daily here. aaron cook? he’d be in the aaa bullpen for us.

    if they’re going to do this, they might was well go full florida marlin and trade pedrioa, ellsbury, lester and bucholz too.

    remember that this was the ownership group that blew up the marlins

  116. Shame Spencer August 25th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    G. Love – Lol, I use the word ‘worry’ very loosely.. I don’t actually worry about the Sox but anyone thinking they just freed up all that money to sit on it for a couple of seasons are kidding themselves. The Sox are going to try to appease those maniac fans somehow.. I could see them dropping money on a 4-5 year deal for Hamilton or Swish. And I would guess they’d try to sign as many short term deals for pitchers as possible. Maybe make a move for Garza? The bottom line is they have a lot of options. I was hoping the Crawford and Agon deals would limit them for a number of years lol.

  117. The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    Against All Odds August 25th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
    move on to another group

    ———————

    I’m getting a little tired of that to be honest…nothing directed at you just in general.

    *****

    I know – it gets frustrating – I am just conditioned that way since the Bam Bam Meulens days and then onto Sam Miletello, Mark Hutton, Ben Ford, and Ruben Rivera and Russ Davis – thankfully the Jeter, Rivera, Pettitte, Posada group hit it huge – probably will not see that again for a loooong time – that next group of Nick Johnson, Ledee, Spencer, Alfonso Soriano, Drew Henson, Brad Claussen, Jackson Melian, Alex Graman just never really panned out longterm for the franchise – though Mike Lowell did elsewhere

  118. Shame Spencer August 25th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    kd August 25th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    gammons in mlb network talking about how red sox are going to rebuild ‘with a great development staff’

    how do people say this? the team was clearly dysfunctional, and who are they calling up from a ‘vaunted farm system?’

    ——————-

    From what I’ve read.. the Sox fans are about as happy with their player development as we are with the Yankees lol. The pundits will stick to the company lines, but they aren’t fooling people that watch the team daily/yearly.

  119. mick August 25th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    If the RS got Swisher they would have to begin their “own” bleacher creature roll call.
    Really tho’, why would they pour there new found wealth into a role player like swish.
    Even Hamilton reeks of what they just unloaded in Agon.

  120. mick August 25th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    They mirrored the Yankees in every way.
    Batter for batter, pitcher for pitcher. Mirror images.
    Now they are going in a different direction?
    Unless they replace their departed superstars with new ones they cannot compete with us.

    Look for the 3 Stooges to sell…

  121. MoRings42 August 25th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    I think Red Sox are going to focus on pitching. They have no one right now. Lester’s on an off year and then theres.. I’m drawing a blank… Lackey? lol

  122. kd August 25th, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    mlb network makes a good point. no bat anywhere near agon for the next few years, save for hamilton. i wouldn’t want to out josh hamilton in la and see what happens.

    one thing no one has mentioned- this trade is a indictment of theo epstein. he signed players that simply weren’t gamers or didn’t want to play in boston. he’s gotta be squirming in his chair today.

    anyone see a quote from him?

  123. mick August 25th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    one thing no one has mentioned- this trade is a indictment of theo epstein. he signed players that simply weren’t gamers or didn’t want to play in boston
    =====================
    This was his parting gift, are you kidding?

  124. kd August 25th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource

    A prospect that will make big noise in Yankee system soon: Christopher Tamarez. Remember the name.

  125. Ys Guy August 25th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    …someone’s singing lord…kumbaya…

  126. Ys Guy August 25th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    the socks just gutted their lineup. sure they have cash, but they did so badly with the cash they spent in the past 2 years that they had to throw them all away and do-over. nothing to indicate the new guy will do any better.

    the socks are now also-rans until further notice.

  127. Against All Odds August 25th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner August 25th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    Against All Odds August 25th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
    move on to another group

    ———————

    I’m getting a little tired of that to be honest…nothing directed at you just in general.

    *****

    I know – it gets frustrating – I am just conditioned that way since the Bam Bam Meulens days and then onto Sam Miletello, Mark Hutton, Ben Ford, and Ruben Rivera and Russ Davis – thankfully the Jeter, Rivera, Pettitte, Posada group hit it huge – probably will not see that again for a loooong time – that next group of Nick Johnson, Ledee, Spencer, Alfonso Soriano, Drew Henson, Brad Claussen, Jackson Melian, Alex Graman just never really panned out longterm for the franchise – though Mike Lowell did elsewhere

    —————

    Yes there is always another group to watch and follow. I guess it’s just the nature of the game to look forward.

  128. astrocityfan August 25th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    I can’t believe the dodgers are bailing the sox out this way. On the plus side the sawx are going to have to retool and it will a year or so until they contend. Someone on MLB said this was Cherington putting his stamp on the team but I wonder how much Lucchino is really running the show. And as for next year is anyone scared of a depleted sawx team that has players like Iglesias at short?

  129. luis August 25th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Hello everyone,

    Kd,

    You are spot on… This is an indictment on Theo, they are basically going to start over… I happen to think it is the right way to go, otherwise they were in for a very long downward period. This way they might shorten up that process.

    At some point, the Yankees will have to go that path… We are in much better shape than they were and probably we still might be able to compete and reach the PS and at the same time rebuild ( our farm is in better shape ). But it will take some painful moves nevertheless.

    I am a little baffled by the Dodgers though. I guess they are going all in in trying to build a dynasty.

  130. blake August 25th, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    1h Buster Olney Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN

    Overwhelming first responses I have heard from rival execs about the deal: terrible value for the Dodgers, huge overpay in dollars, prospect

  131. blake August 25th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    G. Love,

    I knew we made you president of team Greedy for a reason ;)

  132. mick August 25th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    Beckett-They won a title with him, no AJ exemption?
    Agon- He prolly asked to be traded, needs the laid back west coast scene.
    Crawford- A throw in at this point, also see Agon above.

    A smart deal for the RS, they were losers either way, now their owners are richer…

  133. blake August 25th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    Scott Miller ?@ScottMCBS

    Gonzalez expected in #Dodgers lineup tonight. Flight should land in LA around 3 or 3:30, source says, game time 6:10. Adrian wants to play

    quite a lineup the Dodgers are going to run out there….

  134. mick August 25th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    Overwhelming first responses I have heard from rival execs about the deal: terrible value for the Dodgers, huge overpay in dollars, prospect
    ===========================
    Somewhere the young George is applauding…

  135. jacksquat August 25th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    Ciriaco would probably play SS before Iglesias. Currently hitting .349. That won’t continue but he is showing something with the bat, and looks good with the glove.

  136. tucker August 25th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    This is a huge indictment on Theo. He inherited the 2004 team, got lucky with a couple of developing prospects in 2007. (pedroia, Youk, Lester) and a salary dump trade (Beckett and Lowell).

  137. kd August 25th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    luis,

    thanks.

    but i will respectfully disagree with you on one point, sir. I am not convinced that we will have to start over. one crucial difference between us and them is the fact that our system produces players. we have some high impact type prospects in the minor leagues. they may as well, but you always have to read prospect reports with a grain of salt. remember bot casey kelley was going to be the next king felix. he flat out sucks for san diego.

    my guess is that cashman will have the ability to replenish and break in young players while winning.

    now the arod contract hurts and they do need the leadership of jeter.

    my real hope for the yankees- they bring posada back as a coach and let him ‘police’ the clubhouse

  138. austinmac August 25th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    Kd,

    I had the same thought about the boy genius,Theo. The Sox are being praised for ridding themselves of Theo’s major acquisitions. Cubs fan are the ones who should be squirming.

  139. Against All Odds August 25th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    They mirrored the Yankees in every way.
    ———————-

    The Yankees mirrored the Six in the middle 2000s when it came to building the farm and obtaining guys that fit.

  140. PittsburghYankeeFan August 25th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    The Yankee Red Sox period of perceived equality is now officially over. The Sox are back to being the losers they always were.

    The Yankees are no great shakes in terms of this years club, but are the best in the AL for reasons that elude me.

    They will continue to field playoff caliber clubs for the foreseeable future. Thats all you can ask for. Consider ARod and to a lesser extent Tex dead weight–they are worth perhaps $12-15 million each right now, so the Yankees are on the hook for $50 million instead of $27 million. With the tax cap of 2014 of $189 million, of which $15 million is benefits, that gives them $175 million to play with, with $23 million wasted on Tex and ARod, so we are down to $154 million payroll.

    I think they can field a very decent team at those numbers, especially if Pineda (and or Campos or a B) can give them something. For everyone savaging the Yankee farm system, note that quite a few pitching products of the Yankee system are indeed thriving in the majors.

    The Sox are a completely different story. Who do you build the club around? Who is the superstar? Everything they are is potential, mostly in the A to AA level. You also don’t trade AGon with the idea of signing a Josh Hamilton — not happening.

    Sox want to be the Rays or Texas — without the smarts, the organization, and (low blow) the PEDs of the 2000s.

    PAbe over at extra bases stated that this trade is as significant to the Sox as the Babe Ruth deal. He also hopes the results are not the same, but he doesn’t seem so sure.

    This is a big deal for the Yankees. Very big. Spin it all you want, but baseballs biggest Cold War is over, and the Yankees won. Yes, John Sterling, thaaaaaaaaaaaaYankees won.

  141. blake August 25th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    “This is a huge indictment on Theo. He inherited the 2004 team, got lucky with a couple of developing prospects in 2007. (pedroia, Youk, Lester) and a salary dump trade (Beckett and Lowell).”

    Duquette had much more to do with that 2004 team than Theo did…..now he did acquire or develop the core of the next wave after that that won the 2007 title but he also made a bunch of dumb FA moves and overall I think his tenure in Boston was very overated……do think he’s doing a nice job in Chicago so far…

    I have to give Cherington credit for pulling this move…..took some stones to pull the trigger on it….even though it seems like a no brainer in baseball terms….in order to do it he had to committ to rebuilding at least somewhat and that’s no easy task in Boston.

  142. mick August 25th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    The finished product is all that mattered during the rivalry years.
    The rs have a long way to go to get to that stage again..

  143. tucker August 25th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    Blake, imagine what the mood will be in Dodger land if they don’t make the playoffs? AGone has failed in two consecutive playoff stretches. And if Cain, Bumgartner and Lincecum pitch like they are able, I think the Giants have a good chance of taking the division. Dodgers may or may not get a wild card.

    So if the Dodgers don’t make the playoffs, they have three huge contracts on their hands, not to mention some questionable character guys ( Beckett, AGon and Hanley).

    Huge gamble for the Dodgers.

  144. blake August 25th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    “The Yankees are no great shakes in terms of this years club, but are the best in the AL for reasons that elude me.”

    pedigree and class….they know how to win.

  145. mick August 25th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    I have to give Cherington credit for pulling this move…..took some stones to pull the trigger on it…
    =================
    do you really think this was his call?

  146. mick August 25th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    how soon to unload the lackey contract?
    a few good starts?

  147. luis August 25th, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    Kd,

    Thank you for the sir thing ;) I don’t I have deserved it!… And I don’t think we disagree all that much. I still think they can rebuild and compete, but it will take some painful moves. I think they will need to trade present for future, no the other way around, this means choosing carefully which current players should be kept and those that should be traded to boost the farm and get the team younger at the same time.

    That’s a very delicate taskn but doable. So in the end we do agree that the team can compete and rebuild at the same time.

  148. blake August 25th, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    “Blake, imagine what the mood will be in Dodger land if they don’t make the playoffs? AGone has failed in two consecutive playoff stretches.”

    personally I think this thing could end in disaster…..they have added millions and millions to their payroll and also 2 of the biggest malcontents in the sport in Beckett and Hanley…..

    It’s a total now move….they are going for it…..and that’s fine….but as their payroll creeps up towards that 189 mark (and I don’t see any way it’s not going to) then they are going to have to decide whether they want to go beyond that and keep spending or they are going to be hamstrung by all these contracts.

    If the Yankees aren’t willing to go past the soft cap then will the Dodgers? I know who just bought them….but still nobody has the revenues that the Yanks do…..we’ll see……

    they now have three 20+ million guys and then 3 more 15 range guys plus they have to sign Kershaw……

  149. blake August 25th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    “do you really think this was his call?”

    hard to say….but he had a hand in it and likely was the one working the deal out….

  150. mick August 25th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    hard to say….but he had a hand in it and likely was the one working the deal out….
    ===============================
    don’t you think the owners were giving the orders?

  151. blake August 25th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    Pete Abraham ?@PeteAbe

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    Gonzalez is probably ecstatic right now….

  152. blake August 25th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    “don’t you think the owners were giving the orders?”

    I think they may have nudged him to blow it up and move these guys but Cherington was likely the one who had to make it work and he’ll be the fall guy if it doesn’t work out too…..

  153. tucker August 25th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    I think Lucchino had a lot of influence over this trade. All the grumblings in recent years about conflict in the Sox front office is now becoming more clear. Lucchino wanted to wipe away Theo’s moves, and it is probably the right direction for that franchise.

    The Sox were just not big enough to play with the big boys. There is no Jeter or CC in their clubhouse to restore order among the egos. Pedroia could not do it, and Ortiz was too worried about his own situation to be a team leader.

  154. kd August 25th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    singing kershaw just got a little dicey for the dodgers. they’ll likely have to chose between him and hanley. and hanley knows that. maybe this is their way of keeping him motivated.

    i think the yankees can rebuild while winning, they’ve been writing the book on how to do it for a while now, granderson, kuroda, etc

    having ssaid that, there’s probably 10 prospects in the minors who have the ability to be a plus ml player. just gotta hope 2 to 4 of them pan out

  155. blake August 25th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....d-sox.html

    info on the prospects Boston got…..the Dodgers are kinda crazy.

  156. luis August 25th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    On the Dodgers, I think they are going all in this season and are probably thinking dynasty. I think they have become the big dog on the NL West and probably one of the best teams in MLB.

    I would probably keep Kershaw and let Hanley walk, he would be a perfect fit in bean town :)

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  158. blake August 25th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    Pete Abraham ?@PeteAbe

    RT @MsShredderpunto: Want to say thank you to John Henry and the Red Sox organization. Seriously a first class ball club

    the Red SOx…..first class…..Lol!

  159. blake August 25th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    https://twitter.com/Shredderpunto/status/239433228858044416/photo/1

    pic of the bunch fleeing to LA

  160. tucker August 25th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    John Lackey must feel like a wounded puppy now that his drinking buddy is gone…

  161. CompassRosy August 25th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Speaking of trades with the Dodgers…

    Despite Wilhelmsen’s blown save last night in Chicago, the M’s bullpen has been better off without League (and he’s certainly not lighting it up in LA).

    Meanwhile, on the other side of the trade…
    - Logan Bawcum is 2-0 with a 2.31 ERA and 12 Ks in 11.2 IP at AA Jackson (high BB tho)
    - Leon Landry is batting .406/.437/.708/1.145 in 22 games at A High Desert

  162. blake August 25th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS

    trade started with a call from #dodgers to #redsox prez larry lucchino regarding A-Gon. for LA, this is all about A-Gon.

    yup….this was all about the Dodgers wanting Agon….they wanted him so bad they were willing to take on Beckett and Crawford to do it……and the Sox wanted rid of Becket and Crawford so bad they agree to move Gonzalez…..

    wouldn’t it have made more sense to just spend the money in free agency and not have to take on all that bad money? oh well…..

    Vin Sculley will have lots to talk about…..wonder if he’ll tell fried chicken stories when Beckett pitches

  163. PittsburghYankeeFan August 25th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    The Dodgers new ownership group is smart, connected, and has a ton of money. They want to become the marquee club of the NL. Just like the Yankees, they want to field playoff caliber teams for the foreseeable future. They now will.

    Fix up Chavez Ravine a bit, and with suddenness they are likely where they want to be.

  164. luis August 25th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    Blake,

    The Dodgers did exactly what the Yankees would do ten years ago. I don’t particularly like the move but they got a lot better. I read the piece you linked and it is the text book of what not to do… Give up prospects and then pay the contract.. In the long run it will be bad for them, but in the short term ( 2-3 years ) it might put them over the top, they have a very good rotation and a very powerful lineup.

  165. blake August 25th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    “The Dodgers did exactly what the Yankees would do ten years ago. I don’t particularly like the move but they got a lot better”

    if they win….they have to win or this will end in disaster. They got big names….but what did they get really….they got a hurt and declining Outfielder who needs tommy john….they got a washed up Josh Beckett…..and then they got Agon who has 2 more homers than Derek Jeter and a lower OPS at .812 this year…..now I think he’ll be better than that…..but it’s a ton of money to take on especially when they gave up their #2 and #3 prospects too.

  166. mick August 25th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    Dodgers still under the cap in 2014:
    =========================

    With this trade as well as the previous acquisitions of Hanley Ramirez, Randy Choate, Brandon League, Shane Victorino, and Joe Blanton, the Dodgers have absorbed more than $300MM in future payroll obligations in the last month or so. As Jeff Euston of Cot’s Baseball Contracts notes (on Twitter), the club now has a $193.75MM in contract obligations for next season, $133.6MM for 2014, $90MM for 2015, $88.65MM for 2015, and another $90MM for 2016. The Red Sox, on the other hand, are now on the hook for just $45.6MM in 2013, $34.4MM in 2014, $12.75MM in 2015, and $2.45MM in 2016 (Twitter link).

  167. jacksquat August 25th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    Everyone predicted the Dodgers would make a big splash, well here it is.

  168. jacksquat August 25th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    The Red Sox, on the other hand, are now on the hook for just $45.6MM in 2013, $34.4MM in 2014, $12.75MM in 2015, and $2.45MM in 2016 (Twitter link).

    Boston Marlins?

  169. blake August 25th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    “$133.6MM for 2014″

    sure….that’s more than the Yanks have on the books for 2014 though right now. 133 million already now is a lot….that’s just a fraction of their roster..

  170. PittsburghYankeeFan August 25th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    Jacksquat

    yup, and what current Red Sox FO guy was with the Marlins previously?

  171. blake August 25th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    Pete Abraham ?@PeteAbe

    Based on what team staffers are saying, Beckett’s departure is like Christmas morning at Fenway

  172. luis August 25th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    Blake,

    I don’t think Beckett is washed up, I think this change of scenery might do him some good, who knows?… But you are right, they have to win it all to make it worthwhile

  173. blake August 25th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    In other news….Oakland is beating the Rays 4-2 in the 6th

  174. raymagnetic August 25th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    Isn’t it ironic that Beckett and Hanley ended up on the same team?

  175. blake August 25th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    “I don’t think Beckett is washed up, I think this change of scenery might do him some good, who knows?…”

    maybe….but I don’t know if moving to LA will make him throw harder or his breaking stuff work better….his velocity is down (about 2 mph on everything)….I think he’ll be better in an easier division and bigger ball park….but the Beckett I’ve seen this year doesn’t look like the same guy as we’ve seen in the past…..

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  177. Giuseppe Franco August 25th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    blake August 25th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

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    Based on what team staffers are saying, Beckett’s departure is like Christmas morning at Fenway

    ———–

    Not exactly shocking.

    Beckett has always been an a-hole. But people are more likely to tolerate that crap if he’s pitching well.

    Not so much when he isn’t.

  178. jacksquat August 25th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    PittsburghYankeeFan August 25th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
    Jacksquat

    yup, and what current Red Sox FO guy was with the Marlins previously?

    Well John Henry owned them. Of course Selig’s approval of this deal was a given.

  179. Yank 97 August 25th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

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  180. CountryClub August 25th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    You don’t have to go back 10 or 20 yrs to see the yanks do something similar. They just did it, via FA, when they built the 09 team.

  181. blake August 25th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

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  182. blake August 25th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    “You don’t have to go back 10 or 20 yrs to see the yanks do something similar. They just did it, via FA, when they built the 09 team.”

    they didn’t absorb bad contracts to do that though…they signed new ones….and they didn’t give up 2 of their 3 best prospects to do it either…..

  183. Yank 97 August 25th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    I honestly have no idea how Red Sox nation is handling something like this – no playoffs 3 years in a row, no playoff wins 4 years in a row, probably not gonna make the playoffs next year either unless they bulk up the roster in FA this winter.

    I can’t even imagine the Yankees going through something like this in this day and age. We missed the playoffs in 08 people were irate yet we were rewarded in the winter. Imagine 3-4 years of no playoffs in a row?

  184. blake August 25th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Most of the stuff I’ve seen and read suggests Sox fans are super happy with this deal….

  185. jacksquat August 25th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    If Henry thinks he can do with the Red Sox what he did with the Marlins, he is delusional. There will be riots in Boston. They will have to reload and quickly. Hamilton + Swisher + a good pitcher is not out of the question. They didn’t just dump these guys to have a low payroll, they are likely cleaning house of players that didn’t want to be there.

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  187. jpb173 August 25th, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    The Red Sox simply can’t run with the Big Dog any longer. The Big Dog has been running very fast for 16 years now…with no signs of slowing down. The Red Sox now must rest in the doghouse for a few years while some other puppies try to catch the Big Dog.

    Maybe we should send some Beggin’ Strips to Boston to serve with the Baked Beans.

  188. RMike August 25th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    Boston could add some of the following unrestricted FAs the next 2 years (all are scheduled to be FAs either after 2012 and 2013):

    Miguel Montero, Nick Swisher, Josh Hamilton, Zach Greinke, Melky Cabrera, RA Dickey, Edwin Jackson, Hiroki Kuroda, Jonathan Broxton, Brandon League, Brian McCaan, David Wright, Jake Peavy, Robinson Cano, Curtis Granderson, James Shields, Dan Haren, Martin Prado, Shin-Soo Choo, Nelson Cruz, Hunter Pence, Matt Garza, Phil Hughes, Ubaldo Jiminez, Josh Johnson, Tim Lincecum, Edinson Volquez, Brian Wilson

    Now the Sox can put money into these guys rather than aging overpaid players like Beckett, Crawford, Gonzalez, and Punto.

  189. CountryClub August 25th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    they didn’t absorb bad contracts to do that though…they signed new ones….and they didn’t give up 2 of their 3 best prospects to do it either…..

    ————————–

    I mentioned in my post that they did it in a different way, but the point is that they spent a ton of money in one big shot. Fans are acting like the yanks are operating like the rays or marlins. It’s just not true. With all the moves the dodgers made in the past month (not just today), they still have a lower payroll than the yanks.

  190. Tyler August 25th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    I thought Boston planned to focus more on drafting and scouting and get away from signing big time free agents… I’m sure they won’t follow that but get ready for ESPN to get back on the “little engine that could” bandwagon.

  191. Nick in SF August 25th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

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  192. blake August 25th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    “Fans are acting like the yanks are operating like the rays or marlins. It’s just not true. With all the moves the dodgers made in the past month (not just today), they still have a lower payroll than the yanks.”

    I know….they won’t for long though….as I’ve said the interesting thing will be if the Dodgers keep spending like this when they get close to the luxury tax.

  193. CountryClub August 25th, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    RMike,

    The majority of the players you listed are near or over age 30. And a few others have major makeup/injury concerns. Not really players you want to sign to 5-7 yr deals. And none of them are as good as Gonzo.

    It’s probably more likely the sox go after a couple of players via trades and then try to extend them. Someone like J Upton jumps to mind (although he has his own question marks).

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