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Mariano speaks, Soriano listens

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 29, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Mariano Rivera was in the Yankees clubhouse yesterday. Turns out, he was also in Rafael Soriano’s head.

“I know he sees every game,” Soriano said. “(Monday) night he saw the game, and he come to me and say, ‘Why you got to throw so many sliders? You’ve got a good fastball. Come back with your fastball and you can throw your slider anytime.’ … I said, all right, let me try to do something different.”

The result was what Joe Girardi called Soriano’s best stuff of the season, and what Soriano called his best day of the year.

“(Rivera)’s talked to Dave Robertson a little bit before too,” Russell Martin said. “When he has something to say, you listen. He knows what he’s doing, and he’s been doing it for a while. For me it’s kind of like when Derek comes and talks to me about hitting. You’ve got to be all ears. I wish he would’ve been right behind me yesterday so I would have done it differently. He definitely had a good fastball tonight, but his slider was just as good.”

For today’s series finale, Soriano is supposed to go through his pregame routine and then tell Girardi whether he’ll be available to pitch. He’s pitched three days in a row.

“I don’t think you ever see Sori get too high or too low,” Girardi said. “He’s pretty level-headed like that. Anyone who has a night where sometimes things get away from you, you’re going to be a little bit upset about it, but maybe pitching angry — I didn’t see him gritting his teeth. He bounced back great, and I think it’s because he’s even-keeled.”

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158 Responses to “Mariano speaks, Soriano listens”

  1. MG August 29th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    are those of you who want Ibanez in the lineup against both righties and lefties actually watching the games?

    he’s helped the Yankees this season but is in an awful slump-2 for his last 26 with 9 K’s.

    what is troubling is that he’s striking out at a significantly higher rate than the rest of the season, it’s about 2.25X more.

    he hits less than .200 against lefties for the whole season, playing him every day against all pitching just isn’t an option for the Yankees down the stretch.

  2. Mike Ri August 29th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    Nice rebound Soriano !

  3. blake August 29th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    Anybody think it was a coincidence that Bobby V thdew Aceves out there for a 2 innings save (which he blew) last night?

    Valentine trying to prove a point?

  4. blake August 29th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    MG,

    The issue is that the other side of that DH platoon isnt hitting much better vs lefties.

  5. Yankee Trader August 29th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Where did that 96mph fastball come from. Holding back all this time?

  6. Shame Spencer August 29th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    The more I watch him the more I hope they keep Bobby lol…

    And I thought the same, blake. They mucked their entire pen up when they tried to use Bard as a starter..

  7. 86w183 August 29th, 2012 at 8:50 am

    I think Ibanez is worn out. He should not play in the OF any more.

    Dickerson should be called up Saturday. Nunez and Cervelli too.

    By the way, Romine is starting to hit. He’s still just a kid — turns 24 in November.

  8. Yankee Trader August 29th, 2012 at 8:52 am

    Starting Friday the Yankees have 10 straight games with Orioles[7] and the Rays[3] before their next day off.

    The Orioles are for real and can make the playoffs if they split the games they have with the Yankees and Rays and beat up on the rest.

    It’s time for the Yankees to show the rest of the AL East pretenders, who’s Boss!

  9. 86w183 August 29th, 2012 at 8:52 am

    They mucked their entire pen up when they tried to use Bard as a starter..

    ***********************************************************

    Totally agree. We have a lot of experience around here as it relates to screwing up pitchers by making starters relievers and vice versa…… sometimes with the same guy.

    Nice that Soriano and Rivera talk. Which one closes next year? I don’t expect Mariano back and I’ve been the lone wolf in that “pack”, but Soriano will opt out if he’s not closing. Either way the Yanks save at least $ 10 M.

  10. Yankee Trader August 29th, 2012 at 8:58 am

    86w183-

    Chris Dickerson should be called up. He actually has been hitting lefties this year in AAA, and last year with the parent club in a short stint. Plus he can rest Granderson and provide some speed and good defense.

    Nunez definitely. He also has been hitting well lately. need his speed.

    I’d actually like to see the Yankees take a chance and promote Mark Montgomery from AA. He’d have to be added to the 40 man I believe.

    Maybe Montgomery will do for the Yankees, what a then rookie Francisco Rodriguez did for the Angels-lead them to a WS title.

  11. MG August 29th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    blake August 29th, 2012 at 8:47 am
    MG,

    The issue is that the other side of that DH platoon isnt hitting much better vs lefties.
    ———————-
    I agree-Jones looks done to me but Ibanez isn’t the answer against lefties, he’s been swinging and missing at way too many pitches the last few weeks.

    With Teix and Arod out they don’t really have any other options unless there is someone in the minors who can fill in or pick someone up on waivers.

  12. 86w183 August 29th, 2012 at 9:02 am

    YT —

    Montgomery definitely worth a look, but I wouldn’t bet on seeing it.

    Cervelli coming up lets them mix and match more.

  13. Joe from Long Island August 29th, 2012 at 9:02 am

    good morning.

    1. i think ibanez is tiring out. it’s a long season, and he’s no spring chicken.

    2. the best rh bat they can acquire is alex. tex coming back wouldn’t be bad, either.

    3. phil hughes will have to deliver the next two months for the yanks to make their run. interesting that he credits alex’ input for some of his improvement. the guy flat out knows baseball. he’s a true baseball genius.

    4. i never understood why boston just didn’t deal for a back end starter, instead of bailey. it just seemed simpler to make bard the closer, and trade for that starter instead of bailey. now it seems like bard can’t even find the plate. such a waste.

  14. austinmac August 29th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    How will the fact SWB is in the playoffs impact who will be brought up?

  15. Yankee Trader August 29th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Have to go.

    The Yankees just need to win the series vs. the sub .500 teams and can split the games vs the Rays and Orioles and they should be AL East division winners. If they want home field advantage throughout the AL playoffs, they’ll have to do better than that to edge out Texas, currently 2 games ahead in the win column.

    Until later. Have a great day.

  16. MG August 29th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Phil Hughes is outperforming Yu Darvish this year (lower ERA, lower WHIP) and they are the same age.

    Hughes is getting stronger as the season progresses and is adding pitches to his arsenal.

    Darvish, until last night, was really struggling since the All Star break.

    Why do so many of you feel like Hughes is either ‘inconsistent’ or ‘unreliable’? He actually has thrown more of what I call ‘high quality’ starts this year (7 innings or more, 2 or less earned runs) than CC.

  17. 86w183 August 29th, 2012 at 9:09 am

    How will the fact SWB is in the playoffs impact who will be brought up?

    *********************************************************

    Not one damn bit.

    They need Dickerson and Nunez and they’ll grab them. They can move Trenton guys up if needed as well as Tampa guys to Trenton. Happens all the time.

    MG — Agreed, Hughes has been solid most of the year and terrific his last three outings. Unquestioned # 3 guy right now.

  18. 86w183 August 29th, 2012 at 9:09 am

    heading out, back this PM during game

    have a day, all!

  19. JM August 29th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Mo is invaluable even when he’s not actually pitching. :)

  20. LGY August 29th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Darvish and Hughes have the same ERA+. However, Darvish’s other non ERA based stats are way better than Hughes.

    fWAR

    Darvish 3.4
    Hughes 1.3

    FIP

    Darvish 3.62
    Hughes 4.73

    XFIP

    D 3.71
    H 4.48

    tERA

    D 4.31
    H 4.75

    SIERA

    D 3.74
    H 4.08

  21. Ys Guy August 29th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    roy white was just on wfan. my favorite yankee as a 10 year old. great guy.

    whitey ford called him the most underappreciated yankee.

  22. Shame Spencer August 29th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    86 – Mo closes for sure. I think he comes back for 2014 too and I’d love to see the Yanks talk about ‘squeezing’ his salary in :D

  23. blake August 29th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    “Why do so many of you feel like Hughes is either ‘inconsistent’ or ‘unreliable’? He actually has thrown more of what I call ‘high quality’ starts this year (7 innings or more, 2 or less earned runs) than CC.”

    Hughes has been one of the more enjoyable stories of the season for me…..to watch hin finally progress and evolve a bit has been fun.

    Folks need to adjust their expectations for Hughes…..hes not a #1 starter…..hes not going to be Justin Verlander or Felix Hernadez…..but what he does seem to be developing into is a solid #3 or potentially #2 big league starter who consistently gives quality starts and innings……and thats incredibly valuable.

    If he finishes the year strong the Yanks should consider a team friendly extension offer…..because if he backs this season up with a strong 2013 hes going to get paid big time as a 27 year old free agent with extensive AL east experience.

  24. blake August 29th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    LGY,

    I would say FIP is somewhat misleading with Hughes…..as it greatly weights homers and thats his biggest flaw……thing is that he does a pretty good job of limiting the others runs……Hughes has a much better WHIP than Darvish.

  25. blake August 29th, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Could David Adams help vs LHP? They need to try other things…..Nunez? Throwing Jonesy out there to air condition the front row 4 times a game isnt working and hasnt worked in awhile….

  26. LGY August 29th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Forgot to include bWAR

    D 2.0
    H 1.7

  27. blake August 29th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Pitcher WAR seems iffy to me…..

  28. LGY August 29th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    Blake

    I’ve been in to tERA lately because it takes into account batted balls and adjusts based on how often they ”should” go for hits.

  29. Bo knows August 29th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    I don’t care if Hughes calls it his hybrid – If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck…

  30. Doc Iac August 29th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    aceves 2-9 with 4.7 era hahaha

  31. blake August 29th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    “I’ve been in to tERA lately because it takes into account batted balls and adjusts based on how often they ”should” go for hits.”

    I think Darvish has probably pitched better than his standard nunbers would suggest…..but the fact that we are even discussing who is better betwern Hughes and Darvish is kinda interesting….

  32. LGY August 29th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Blake

    My concern next year and hypothetically on an extension with Hughes in regard to the HR and FIP issue you mention is if he can continue to limit such a high percentage to solo shots.

    I’d love to see an article to see if that’s some type of skill or something along those lines.

  33. blake August 29th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    LGY,

    Thats a very fair concern…..Im hopeful that if he can learn to use his CU more effectively then he can improve his homer rate……hes probably always going to give up homers and maybe that limits his ceiling …..but that doesnt mean he cant be a good pitcher

  34. NYYROC August 29th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Don’t know if giving up solo shots is a skill, but in postgame Curry mentioned to Martin how PH didn’t give up any hits with guys on base. Martin said PH just bore down and made his pitches. Could be as simple as that..concentrating more. Phil tends to challenge hitters with no one on. He said in one post game he does not want to walk people, which could be why his BBs are down and HRs are up.

  35. Doc Iac August 29th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    problem with hughes is when we drafted him in 04 i think, we had no pitchin, and we all heard about a guy who was throwin 97-98 and thought he was gonna be a future ace, we all see now how hard it is to be an ace, but i think hes a good #3 right now and if he keeps improvin he can be a good #2 as well which is still very valueable

  36. yankee21 August 29th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    NYY needs to consider extending Hughes so he can avoid FA at least for a few years.

    With the significant injury to Pineda, the slowed progress of Banuelos and Nova, the uncertaintly and inexperience of Phelps and the utter demise of Betances, NYY has a real need for a middle of the rotation starter that isn’t pushing 40 yrs old. Hughes fits this bill capably.

    He is not perfect but really what better legitimate, near term options does NY have?

  37. blake August 29th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Id offer Hughes 3/21 and see if he bites

  38. Jerkface August 29th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Was watching the game on xbox last night while fixing my computer and I saw Hughes throwing something 81 mph. I thought it might be the cutter/slider he ditched and got worried that it was going to return to him as a disaster pitch. Reading that he is trying for less cutter and more slider in the other thread was encouraging! It is a step in the direction I thought he should have gone. He needs something hard breaking to get righties off his fastball and to maybe start muddling the different curves.

    Maybe if this slider turns out to be a good pitch it will help his reverse split. I’d like for atleast 1 of his secondary pitches to get to the plus area as well. If he can get his change up good enough to use vs both sides of the plate he’ll have

    fastball 92
    change 83
    12-6 curve 74
    2-7 curve 77
    slider 81

    Which is not a bad arsenal at all.

    Now the thing with Hughes is that he has no trouble tinkering with pitches, it is getting them to stick.

  39. LGY August 29th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    If Hughes was a free agent this offseason what would he get?

  40. Jerkface August 29th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    I think 10 AAV from some team for some amount of time.

  41. blake August 29th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    JF.

    totally agree.

    LGY,

    3/30?

  42. yankee21 August 29th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    BTW,, NYY needs to do whatever it has to in order to keep Kuroda in pinstripes at least through 2013. With respect to the pitching front, this in my mind is priority #1. He likely will not be as good in 2013 as 2012 but NYY cannot be in the market for a #2 starter this OS. Their trade pieces will likely be inadequate. So Cashman needs to get this done. If Kuroda opts to go back to Japan so be it, but tight Hal needs to fork over the $ to keep him if he wants to continue pitching in the ML.

    I’d give Andy the opportunity as well but I cannot be held ransom through the winter while he makes up his mind. He needs to give Cashman a clear signal NLT the winter meetings.

    If NYY has CC, Kuroda, Hughes, Andy and then duke it out for 5th starter between Nova and Phelps for 5th starter that will be one area where NYY can solidify.

    Then Cashman can address the real archillee’s heal of this team, the offense.

  43. blake August 29th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    the Dodgers might give him 100 million…who knows…they are crazy

  44. Against All Odds August 29th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    Yep he would get 4 yrs/ 40 million

  45. LGY August 29th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    What will Edwin Jackson get this winter?

  46. yankee21 August 29th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    If Hughes was a free agent this offseason what would he get?

    Depends on how he finishes the next 5 weeks plus hopefully the PS. If he performs well I believe he’d get at least a 50 mil offer from some team.

    OTOH if goes the bad AJ route during this time and winds up with an ERA pushing 5, he might have to “settle” for the paltry sum of 3/25.

  47. Bo knows August 29th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    The best slider he threw was probably the first one. That was a very good slider. The others were more cutterish except for the last one. Even a different look and speed is a great help as long as they’re borderline strikes. These FBs, all at the same speed are a recipe for what Hughes has been. Hopefully, the light came on even if it’s late in the season.

  48. Ys Guy August 29th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    aceves is out of boston as soon as his contract ends so they’re gonna use him like a rented mule the rest of the year.

  49. blake August 29th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    “What will Edwin Jackson get this winter?”

    good question….everyone seems afraid of him but he’s not bad….he might get a 3 or 4 year deal at a 10 AAV

  50. blake August 29th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    “The best slider he threw was probably the first one. That was a very good slider. ”

    I agree….had the most depth. I also agree with what Hughes was saying about the velo difference….at least if he throws a bad “slider” at 82 mph the speed difference may still get an out…..an 88 mph cutter that doesn’t cut is a fastball on a tee

  51. Jerkface August 29th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    2 decent years in a row for Edwin as he heads into his prime, I think he gets 12-15 AAV. Boras client to so you gotta factor that in,.

  52. LGY August 29th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    I think the Yankees should wait to see what Edwin Jackson gets and use that in deciding on a number for Hughes.

  53. blake August 29th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    “I think the Yankees should wait to see what Edwin Jackson gets and use that in deciding on a number for Hughes.”

    he may be decent comp as to what you might expect Hughes to get as a FA assuming good health and performance in 2013…..though Hughes is 2 years younger.

  54. Bret The Hitman August 29th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    Speaking of fixing the offense. What are the chances the Cardinals would listen on Jon Jay? He’s consistently a .300 hitter.

  55. yankeefeminista August 29th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    YT, re: the FB, Sori just needed some Mo-tivation to use that pitch. The velo was

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