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Yankees drop two of three against last-place Jays

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 29, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Two problems for the Yankees this afternoon: CC Sabathia wasn’t especially sharp, and the pieced-together lineup wasn’t particularly productive. Too many scoring opportunities were squandered in an 8-5 loss to the Blue Jays. Toronto took two of three this series, and the Yankees lineup looks weak. The Yankees were 3-for-17 with runners in scoring position — 17 at-bats with a runner at second or third! — and those missed opportunities cost them. It wasn’t only guys like Steve Pearce and Andruw Jones who missed RBI chances, so did Derek Jeter, Nick Swisher and Robinson Cano. At one point or another, every spot in the Yankees batting order came up with a runner in scoring position. Only Jones, Curtis Granderson and Russell Martin drove in runs. Those missed opportunities came with Sabathia blowing two leads, allowing five runs — two earned — through seven innings. The bullpen let Toronto pull away, and the Yankees were left with a bad loss heading into tomorrow’s off day.

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280 Responses to “Yankees drop two of three against last-place Jays”

  1. JobaTipsHisCap August 29th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    cashman sucks

  2. ac1 August 29th, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    I was stunned to read that A-Rod was not even put on waivers (yet). What is the harm in seeing if anyone would want him for the next 5 years

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    Because the Yankees are never future thinking. They are only reactionary

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    With him being from Miami and the Marlins giving Hanley to LA, this offseason there should be at least a call to the Marlins to see what it could take to get Alex to Miami.

  3. Nick in SF August 29th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Fear and Loathing on the LoHud Yankees Blog.

  4. blake August 29th, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    George would have blown a gasket after this game……a waiver claim for Mauer and anybody that can hit or pitch woukd probably already be sent.

    Wonder if Hal even knows who they played?

  5. TheStraw August 29th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    Idiotic post of the Year by Mykyl.

  6. mykyl1 August 29th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    Perhaps if CC put down the donuts he would be such a loser. Sorry all you CC lovers, he makes millions of dollars and is a fat pig. Yes he is very good but not good enough. He is not that dominant any more. He is just a fat pig and by the way he stiffs charities on a regular basis. Does trade out and never delivers his end of the trade. Big shot wants free stuff but forgets to mail in his size 64 waist pants to Give Kids the World. Screw him

  7. Dill Pickler August 29th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    Robinson Cano on pace for 34 homers and 87 rbis.

    That pretty much tells you all you need to know about this offense.

  8. Wave Your Hat August 29th, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    The bullpen is horrible. I can’t stand it.

  9. Tackelberry August 29th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    Lets hope the White Sox can come through tonight

  10. mykyl1 August 29th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    Cashman sucks? Oh he sucks alright. He is so busy with the mess that is his life I guess he does not know who the Yankees played tonight. This team represents America, Overpaid underforming lazy entitled, do give a crap about results at work scum

  11. bruceb August 29th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    Quiz question:

    The Cleveland Indians and Toronto Blue Jays have won only three of their last 23 games combined. Can you name the team(s) they have beaten?

  12. mykyl1 August 29th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    TheStraw – More to come sit tight pal.

  13. TheStraw August 29th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    Guess what….all the venting in the world won’t make them play better.

  14. JobaTipsHisCap August 29th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    actually at least they are still in the race, do you really expect they can win the div by 10 games?
    even if they manage to advance to postseason, at most they play 4 games.

  15. blake August 29th, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    “The bullpen is horrible. I can’t stand it.”

    Yes

  16. sunny615 August 29th, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    Team sucking MAJOR bunk. Coincidence that it happened after Arod went on the DL??

  17. bruceb August 29th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Can’t rely on the Os and Rays losing every night until October 3. Going to be a roller-coaster ride from now to the finish.

  18. austinmac August 29th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    The Yankees are now run like a large American corporation interested in the quarterly profit. So was CBS when they bought the Yankees. That worked out well.

    The team would have tried to improve at the TD if they had an owner who would approve spending money. He doesn’t want to spend more thisyear. He will want to spend far less next year and far less the year after that.

    Waiver claim on Mauer? Yeah, right.

  19. jacksquat August 29th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    Next 10 games against the O’s and Rays…

  20. mykyl1 August 29th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    Piss poor management is to be blames when a staff does poorly. They are not motivated like in 04 when the Sox took 4 in a row it was all on Joe. The teams like the Reds and O’s are hungry . The YAnkee players are all over paid pigs except Jeter but as Captain he says and does nothing to shake up this mess. That is his job as Captain but he is way too correct to say or do anything. Sory but back in 04 I posted the same crap. When Joe T was not rehired he said his only regret was nt doing more in the bug game with Joba. How about being in charge of the greatest meltdown in sports history. If the Yankees dont make the playoffs this will be worse.

  21. Triple Short of a Cycle August 29th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    Team sucking MAJOR bunk. Coincidence that it happened after Arod went on the DL??

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    How does Arod being out effect the pitching being awful or hurt?

    Kind of like blaming a president for all of the world’s ills

  22. ButtSmacker August 29th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    (1) Injuries
    (2) AWFUL Bullpen
    (3) AWFUL situational/clutch hitting
    (4) AWFUL fielding

    Even if Arod/Tex/AP/Nova come back healthy and productive is this team still a force in the playoffs? Maybe, but right now they are just hard to watch.

  23. mykyl1 August 29th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    Venting feels good, that is all that matters to me right now. I feel worse then any player on the team and that is a problem. Even Joba thinks his job is safe.

  24. Dill Pickler August 29th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    Last place Blue Jays scored more runs in the ninth inning in this series than the Yanks have all season.

  25. ac1 August 29th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    Mauer would never make it to the Yankees in the waiver wire.
    I bet Boston puts a claim on him.
    Morneau may have been nice though.

  26. munson15 August 29th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    ” OH MY GOD, MY TEAM ONLY HAS A 3 GAME LEAD AT THE END OF AUGUST ” I wish some of you bridge jumpers would actually jump off a bridge.

  27. blake August 29th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    Obvious holes at the deadline …..Yanks did nothing……coming back to haunt them.

  28. blake August 29th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    “I bet Boston puts a claim on him.”

    They said they werent…

  29. Wave Your Hat August 29th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    “Obvious holes at the deadline …..Yanks did nothing……coming back to haunt them.”

    Whaddaya mean? Cashman went out and grabbed Derek Lowe, didn’t he?

  30. blake August 29th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    A 3 game lead would sound better if it wasnt once a 10 game lead and the team werent playing under .500 for over a month….

  31. sunny615 August 29th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    What the Yankees need is for Pettitte, Arod and Tex to come back healthy and ready to play before mid Sept.

  32. blake August 29th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    Whaddaya mean? Cashman went out and grabbed Derek Lowe, didn’t he?”

    And Casey Mcgehhe!

  33. bruceb August 29th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    munson15 August 29th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
    ” OH MY GOD, MY TEAM ONLY HAS A 3 GAME LEAD AT THE END OF AUGUST ” I wish some of you bridge jumpers would actually jump off a bridge.

    Yet another arrogant Yankees fan incapable of seeing the wood from the trees.

    We’re the New York Yankees so we MUST make the playoffs.

    No, fella, you have to earn that right. And it’s not the standings, it’s the way this team is playing – and has been for six weeks.

    And if you don’t like the comments, don’t read them.

  34. Hassey August 29th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    OK, we all just need to decide on what spelling we’re going to use for McGehee, and then use it consistently

  35. JM August 29th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    Hopefully the Pale Hose can take the next two….

  36. Wave Your Hat August 29th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    “What the Yankees need is for Pettitte, Arod and Tex to come back healthy and ready to play before mid Sept.”

    Not going to happen with Andy. Maybe ARod, maybe Tex, but there’s not much margin left to handle anything going wrong.

  37. mick August 29th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    Have to think if Swish were in RF and Jones sat, as requested by me last night, those 2 balls would have been caught.
    Did anyone ever see 2 balls that were in the glove, both get dropped on the same day.
    Only Jones and his lackadaisical style could do this.

  38. munson15 August 29th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    Not being an overreacting d-bag makes me arrogant ? Been a Yankee fan for 50 years, and I don’t expect them to win every game.

  39. ButtSmacker August 29th, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    munson15 August 29th, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    Not being an overreacting d-bag makes me arrogant ? Been a Yankee fan for 50 years, and I don’t expect them to win every game.
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    Answer me this question, you think this Yankee team is shaping up to be a serious title contender this year?

  40. mick August 29th, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    CC did not have good velo today.

  41. Triple Short of a Cycle August 29th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    Not being an overreacting d-bag makes me arrogant ? Been a Yankee fan for 50 years, and I don’t expect them to win every game.

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    So its just black or white with you? People can’t show concern without being labeled a d-bag?

  42. Nick in SF August 29th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    I’m just going to think small and say that what the Yankees need is for Kuroda to pitch well on Friday night and for the offense to give him enough support to get the win. Just one win on Friday night will go a long way.

    Then we can talk about Saturday.

  43. LGY August 29th, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    Amazing that the biggest series of the season will be against the Orioles.

  44. bruceb August 29th, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    Not being an overreacting d-bag makes me arrogant ? Been a Yankee fan for 50 years, and I don’t expect them to win every game.

    Neither do I. Nor do I expect them to lose three out five to two teams who would have trouble beating a one-legged man in an ass kicking contest.

  45. Wave Your Hat August 29th, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    “I don’t expect them to win every game.”

    I don’t know if you watched this game, but the way the Yanks are playing and the team they are putting on the field right now just isn’t cutting it. It could be 2 games in the loss column going into the weekend series.

  46. LGY August 29th, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    Bats are hard to come by these days, but for Cashman to not even be able to acquire a decent reliever is unacceptable.

  47. ButtSmacker August 29th, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    LGY August 29th, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    Bats are hard to come by these days, but for Cashman to not even be able to acquire a decent reliever is unacceptable.
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    What are you talking about?…. We got Qualls ;)

  48. G. Love August 29th, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    At this point we all have to hold on and get into a penant race. There is no coasting. They’ve almost blown most of the cushion they had and have to face down the Orioles and Rays to win the division.

    I doubt Cashman will make any waiver moves before 9/1. This is the team.

    If they don’t pitch better and hit better that’s that. The problem a lot of us are having is this has been this group for a lot of this season. They’re wildly inconsistent offensively and rely on HR’s to win the majority of their games. They also have a bit of a glass jaw showing no ability to come from behind.

    If I’m being honest, Arod coming back doesn’t do much for me. Every time he’s come back from big injuries he uses the timing excuse for his inability to come out the gate productive. Without much time left, if that proves true again he could turn out to be a dead spot in the lineup.

    Girardi’s changed the batting order. That’s not the problem. It’s this team. They will struggle to win games where they don’t score first and the pitching doesn’t stifle the opposition.

    I hope the sight of the Orioles wakes us up.

    I do think that for all the praise Cashman’s gotten in here from some he deserves criticism for not bolstering this team’s offense more than Ichiro, McGehee & Pearce. Ichiro was a great move. The other two are quad A types at best. I know he tried for Carlos Lee but when that failed something else should’ve materialized but that’s where I think the budget hampers us.

    This team had a chance to treat September like recess, but now they will have to play harder than they have all season to hold off the 2 teams behind them.

    Part of me likes that since I do think Girardi getting too cute with resting guys in September is why we’ve gotten our clock cleaned in the playoffs.

    The playoffs are essentially now and we have a 2 game in the loss column headstart.

    The way they’ve played against Cleveland and Toronto of late it’s going to be tough, but hopefully they’ll prevail and show us something.

  49. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    Monday’s loss bothers me more, because they were one strike away from a win.

    What I don’t like about today’s game is the bases loaded situation with two of the best (and hottest) hitters due up. Both Swisher and Cano failed this team big time in those at-bats. They could have put the game out of reach and did not.

    The RISP failures started the first series of the season against Tampa; the “hitting the ball hard but right at people” started the first series of the season against Tampa. Except for short periods of time, this has been a theme throughout the season.

    But the team IS in first place and has managed to stay there. They have played enough excellent baseball to get there. It’s disappointing that they’ve never been clicking on all cylinders and except for that 10-game winning streak, haven’t been on a really nice roll most of the season. I never look for long winning streaks; I look for taking series. They’ve been so inconsistent.

    Can they turn it around? I really don’t see why not – it will take them not making mistakes. But time is running short, and they can’t afford to lose games to teams they should be beating.

    Although, the fact that they’ve gotten this far with all the injuries to key pieces of this team is pretty good, and I’m trying to focus on that, regardless of the ultimate outcome to this season. I am hopeful, but not convinced that they get to the post season. I think the Orioles, as I stated earlier, are running on euphoria that started last September – they believe they can win, and so they may. Yankees have to kick themselves in the butt, take a breather on the day off, and get back on the field and play crisp baseball. If they do that and lose anyway, well, it’s not meant to be.

  50. ButtSmacker August 29th, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    The Yanks simply have to take a chance and call up Mark Montgomery on Saturday… It’s not like we would be risking messing up a future starter, he is a BP guy no matter what. Maybe they will catch lightning in a bottle with him, he at least gives you a chance of getting another shut down BP arm rather then continuing to go with the Eppley/lowe/Wade/Joba(post TJ) types.

  51. The Return of Stoneburner August 29th, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    donnie (NC): Tyler Austin just keeps hitting….ceiling and when can he help in the Bronx?
    Jim Callis: Potential all-star, 2014 at the earliest.

    Win or lose – go Yanks – - – -

  52. blake August 29th, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    “Bats are hard to come by these days, but for Cashman to not even be able to acquire a decent reliever is unacceptable.”

    Seems like they put a lot of eggs in the Joba basket…..coming off TTJS and a nasty ankle injury.

    I wanna know what the price for Headley was….

  53. blake August 29th, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    Bring up Austin….Id rather watch him struggle than old dudes and journeyman.

  54. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    G. Love -

    What gets me is this, where are all these HRs in situations like today?????

    Winning by a HR today – suppose in one of those later innings, someone came up and hit a 2 or 3-run homerun? That’s not a bad thing. So I have no problem with winning by HR. What I have a problem with is they hit an awful lot of solo HRs.

  55. tomingeorgia August 29th, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    munson,
    Adolescent angst combined with anonymity leads to . . . .Shooting up a school?

  56. fantasygame101 August 29th, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    imagine if the orioles swept the white sox. A more intense series between the yankees and orioles, also tigers and white sox in the weekend.

  57. randy l. August 29th, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    the yankees run differential is 135 runs better than the orioles.

    isn’t it kind of statistically weird to have only 4 games separating the teams?

  58. randy l. August 29th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    yankees expected won/loss is 76-54

    orioles is 60-68.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/standings/_/type/expanded

    so how does showalter win games- smoke and mirrors?

  59. Wave Your Hat August 29th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    “isn’t it kind of statistically weird to have only 4 games separating the teams?”

    A stat guy would say yes, and would say the Orioles have been phenomenally lucky in 1-run games.

    However, it’s the end of August and the Orioles are two losses back. They must be doing something right.

  60. mykyl1 August 29th, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    I am at a loss right now, can anyone help me? I am trying to think f the name of that young fast aggresive good ballplayer the Yankees have on the team. ????

    Oh thats right they dont have a SINGLE one. Unless his name is Jones? nope not him. Wait is it Ichiro, no not him. Is it CC no nit him. Is it Aroid? no not him. Is it Tex? nope not him.

    NAME ME ONE FOR GOODNESS SAKE, THEN CHECK EVERY ROSTER ON ANY TEAM AND YOU WILL FIND SEVERAL.

  61. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    G. Love -

    Also, can’t blame Cashman if ownership told him they weren’t spending more than “x” dollars. Perhaps if they were in second place within striking distance, Cashman could have convinced ownership that if they could get player “x” it would tip the balance and make a difference, put them in first place, he would have been given the green light to spend.

    But he went in there with his team in first place, despite injuries. And ARod was still playing at the time. So, I’m figuring if ownership was set on not spending “unnecessary” money, Cashman’s hands were tied at that point. Too bad ARod didn’t get hurt a few days earlier.

  62. G. Love August 29th, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    Villa,

    I don’t have stats in front of me but it feels like watching this team this season that a lot of the HR’s are of the solo variety.

    That says to me they press with runners on and they don’t put their best at bats to work in that situation.

    It’s a frustrating team to watch this year. I’ve never felt connected to this group yet. I think that has something to do with Mo going down and all the injuries. I just don’t have a real feel that this group has the ability to turn it on and destroy the competition in the next month.

    They should do it on paper but games aren’t won there.

    I can’t even put this on Girardi. I think it’s roster construction and too many guys who hit with the same all or nothing approach that get nervous when runners are on base.

    I think in my heart they will hold on and rise up and win the East. My head, however, is saying something different at the moment.

  63. blake August 29th, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    “isn’t it kind of statistically weird to have only 4 games separating the teams?”

    Yes….and the Yanks have been a better team most of the season….but Baltimore has an incredible record in 1 run games and the Yankee team thats on the field now is struggling big time…..

    It could all be solved by winning this weekend…..but right now Im starting to get nervous…..they havent played particulary well since Oaklan.

  64. Wave Your Hat August 29th, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    “Cashman’s hands were tied at that point.”

    I’m not so sure, at least when it comes to the bullpen. All these teams we play have no-name relievers who can throw the ball 97 MPH, and we have Eppley and Lowe.

    Right now I’m not so thrilled with Mr. Cashman.

  65. disco stu August 29th, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    I wonder if the best thing that happens to this team is that they do get overtaken by Baltimore or Tampa Bay. Then they no longer can play with this seemingly irritating attitude like “All teams go thru this and we’ll turn it around soon … blah blah blah”.

    As long as they stay in first place they can continue to sing this tune and play with little to no urgency as the season enters the stretch run and the lead continues to shrink.

    If they find themselves in 2nd or 3rd place, then they have to push again (like they did before the ASB) and not squander leads and lose 2 out of 3 games at home to last place teams who DOA before they came to town.

  66. Bronx Jeers August 29th, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    Pythagoras weeps at the standings of the AL East.

  67. Wave Your Hat August 29th, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    “It could all be solved by winning this weekend…..but right now Im starting to get nervous…..they havent played particulary well since Oaklan.”

    blake, there’s a reason for that. The Yankees’ current roster isn’t any better than a .500 club.

  68. blake August 29th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    G. Love

    It all comes back to ownership…..they run the show…and they show no urgency. Cashman can only do what hes allowed to do and Girardi can only play the guys hes got……he has to play Nix and Jones becahse he doesnt have anybody else.

  69. G. Love August 29th, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    Villa,

    I agree with you. I think Cashman’s hands were tied. The second Arod went down he should’ve tried to stop the Hanley Ramirez gifting to the Dodgers like Texas stopped us from getting Cliff Lee. I’m sure he knew Hanley was on the market but the money owed to him overwhelmed Hal & the budget.

    It just seems like they are not taking on any money anymore. It’s clear there’s a mandate from above.

    I still think they have enough to win. I just think if the pitching doesn’t dominate we’re going to have trouble.

    If this team can’t beat the Orioles and our pitchers can’t hold down the Rays, we have no business talking playoffs anyway.

  70. blake August 29th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    “blake, there’s a reason for that. The Yankees’ current roster isn’t any better than a .500 club.”

    I dont know…..they still have a solid rotation …..an mvp caliber player in the middle of the lineup and a solid back end of the pen…..but they also have large holes due to injury and underperformance. The middle relief is a huge problem……as is the utter lack of right handed offense.

    This issue vs LHP is just amazing because it came up so fast….that use to be their strength…..then all the sudden Jones turned to dust……Cano gas a huge platoon split….Tex is hurt….Alex is hurt…..Granderson is hitting .230 and lefties just kill them.

  71. Wave Your Hat August 29th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    “I just think if the pitching doesn’t dominate we’re going to have trouble. ”

    The pitching will have a hard time dominating with only one consistently dominating starter.

  72. mykyl1 August 29th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    Here is a request of any fans going to a game this weekend. Try putting down your Chardonnay and cell phone and clapping or try not blabbing on your cell phone and cheering. The lot of you are pathetic. Worst live crowd in MLB. I go to Tampa games and as insanly annoying as those cow bells are people bang them and the place rocks. I have been to Fenway, with two strike NOW people get up and chher for the KO. Yankee fans dont do that in the playoffs,. You all make me sick to watch you night after night. You are entitled pigs

  73. fantasygame101 August 29th, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    the expanded roster will finally be in the yankees favor. Joba will only pitch if the yankees are losing big bec. even if the yankees are winning big, he could make it interesting again. Plus the roster will allow more alternate to the current player. Hoping for adams, mustetler, nunez, mesa, dickerson, wade, feliciano and even montgomery.

  74. bruceb August 29th, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    Can they turn it around? I really don’t see why not – it will take them not making mistakes

    Villa, I just don’t believe that this current group of players are capable of turning it around. There are too many impostors wearing Yankee uniforms right now, players who would never even have made it onto the roster, never mind the lineup, in previous years. You saw the flaws today with them going 3 for 17 with RISP.

    Girardi’s greatest talent is managing the bullpen but even that is falling apart right now. We have only two guys we can rely on – and even one of them let us down this week.

    The Orioles and Rays will see the next two weeks as their opportunity to topple the mighty Yankees. Are we strong enough to keep them at bay?

  75. G. Love August 29th, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    disco stu,

    Part of me agrees with you, but part of me also doesn’t want to give up the division lead for even 1 day. We saw how the Red Sox sunk like a stone last year in that situation.

    I do think that everyone in the Yankee locker room should refrain from making excuses about ebbs & flow of the season and injuries here on out.

    They have enough ability healthy to win this thing. It’s the execution that is lacking of late.

    That Oakland away series really started it if you’re looking for turning point. I hope we get a new turning point now where they turn on the jets and take this.

  76. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    blake that is it in a nutshell! What used to be their strength has turned into a big weakness. Especially Cano surprises me! Granderson was probably goign to come back down to earth, but I have my theory as to why he’s been less this season – and I think it is because he’s been the major casualty of Gardner going down. No one to take over for him in centerfield for a few days here and there. Not a lot of DH days. More ground to cover out there. Something is going to suffer. He’s always been a triples hitter. Earlier in the season I pointed out that I was surprised when I looked at the league leaders that Granderson was nowhere to be found among the triples leaders. I was immediately pounced upon by some, but I thought it was telling.

  77. blake August 29th, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    Its time to stop playing Jonesy….they have given him all season…..hes done……he cant play defense anymore…..and if he cant hit lefties hes pretty useless…..I know Joe doesnt have anybody else but good grief….

  78. blake August 29th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    Villa,

    I really am.starting to think that 2011 was just a career year for Grandy and this is just him regressing back to what he is……

  79. mykyl1 August 29th, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    G. Love- You are right about it starting in Oakland and guess who was pitching the game that started it. Fat slob CC and he gave up a devistating homer to a guy who had not hit a home run in like 70 games. Dont remember his name but remember the inning. It was FAT BOY being a lazy fat pig like today. Just get me to the post game spread and whip out the donuts.

    CC is not an ace he is more like a 8 or 9 of clubs.

  80. austinmac August 29th, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    The Orioles win tight games because they have Showalter and a good bullpen. The Yankees lose close games because they have two reliable bullpen pitchers. I have noticed so many pitchers coming out of the pen throwing 96+, and the Yankees have them throwing 86-88.

    They were too reliant on Joba and/or Aardsma successfully returning. Since when doesn’t it take a good while for TJS pitchers to rerun to form?

  81. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    bruceb -

    I sure hope so.

    The “imposters” are there because of the injuries, though. And I can’t forget that many of those bench players are responsible for some of the biggest hits this season. It’s the regulars who are underperforming that concern me. Cano (in spite of having some good numbers) not being able to hit with RISP to any real success, for instance. Russell Martin gets a lot of grief here, and while I don’t pound on him, it is undeniable that while I may not think he is this bad, he has been this bad. Granderson has disappointed as well, and it pains me to say that because I really love Curtis Granderson.

    Problem is except for Jeter, no one’s been consistent. Swisher has been of late, but only Jeter has been consistent throughout the season.

    In Oakland, the pitching was phenomenal. The offense disappeared. They went into a tailspin they never recovered from.

  82. blake August 29th, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    Which team’s success was more improbable? The Orioles or As?

    I have to say the Os because of the division and also because the As do have good young pitching…..both are prettu incredible.

  83. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    Well, hopefully they make a move to get Dickerson back on the 40-man. He would be a major improvement over Jones, if only on defense. They cannot run him out there anymore. They have given him a lot of opportunities. Oddly, he did drive in the first two runs today and scored one more….

  84. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    The other thing I keep teling myself is that teh Yankees were supposed to be in a pennant race – they were never really supposed to run away with anything. So, they’ve played down to the mean, I guess, these last 2 months. The only difference is the 3 teams are the Yankees, Rays and Orioles, instead of Yankees, Rays and Red Sox.

  85. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    blake -

    They both surprised me. have to be honest.

  86. blake August 29th, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    Hey maybe if the Yanks have to claw their way into October then they will be sharper when they get there #silverlining

  87. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    Also don’t see how they can let Swisher go. No matter what he does in the playoffs.

  88. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    blake -

    That thought has crossed my mind, too.

  89. blake August 29th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    Villa,

    I accused Oakland of throwing the season to get the #1 pick in the draft…..and thought the Orioles would be in last place a long time ago…..shows what I know

  90. disco stu August 29th, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    G Love … i hear what you are saying … believe me, I am not hoping that they get overtaken … what Yankee fan would want that?

    I just think that as long as they feel they can play with a net, then there is this collective mentality that this team has where they can just shrug off one loss after another because they still see themselves occupying the top spot in the division.

    But eventually they are going to either have to start winning games in bunches again or they WILL relinquish the division lead.

    Plus, this team is not like the 2000 Yankees who lost 15 out of their last 18 games because they basically got bored with the season and wanted the playoffs to start. That team was in the midst of a Dynasty and had a championship pedigree that is far a cry from this year’s incarnation.

    If the Yankees are waiting to “flip the switch” they may have to wait all winter before they get hot again.

  91. austinmac August 29th, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    The problem is ownership thinks payroll is too high. They don’t care that ownership is significantly responsible with the AROD signing. The team will not add a player of significant cost. Rather, they must lose costly players for the budget.

    Cashman has never had to operate under these circumstances. He has less flexibility to add than perhaps any other team in a pennant race. That tied his hands at the TD, I expect, and will be a body wrap this off season.

  92. JM August 29th, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    MarcCarig Yankees had six doubles today and scored just five runs. Last time time they had six doubles (7/30/11) they scored 17 runs. #RISPfail

    Wow

  93. Bret The Hitman August 29th, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    the yankees run differential is 135 runs better than the orioles.

    ****************

    Those 135 runs are likely unevenly distributed, as in, clustered around fewer games. So the Yankees have a greater percentage of their overall games where they win by large margins while the Orioles distribute runs evenly among games, winning games where the score is close. That’s my guess.

  94. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    Cashman has been operating under a budget the last several season, but this push toward 189 is probably the most inflexible he’s ever experienced. And it comes at a time when other teams have enough money to expand their own budgets. It’s a two-edged sword. If every other team were also tied up budget-wise it wouldn’t make as much difference. It’s lousy timing. Or prescient in terms of how MLB seemingly wanted to keep the Yankees from spending as they had been.

    Question: How does MLB now turn their heads to the spending teh Dodgers intend to do?

  95. austinmac August 29th, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    If the thought is the Orioles win a lot of one run games because they are lucky and the Yankees lose a lot of one run games because they are unlucky, I must disagree. Good situational hitting and a good bullpen win close games. The Yankees struggle in both.

  96. disco stu August 29th, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    “Cashman has never had to operate under these circumstances. He has less flexibility to add than perhaps any other team in a pennant race. That tied his hands at the TD, I expect, and will be a body wrap this off season.”

    Yeah, but if the Yankees pull a 2007 New York Mets season ending meltdown and fail to make the playoffs after holding a 10 game lead to start August, the fan base will go ballistic and expect major changes to be made to a roster that spit the bit and wasnt even good enough to grab the 2nd WC. A scenario BTW that is becoming increasingly and more alarmingly possible with each passing day.

    Lets see the Yankees continue to preach economic restraint under that doomsday scenario. Hal might actually have to pay more of the money he inherited from his daddy and not just think of ways to make a sweet profit.

  97. Jerkface August 29th, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    Those 135 runs are likely unevenly distributed, as in, clustered around fewer games. So the Yankees have a greater percentage of their overall games where they win by large margins while the Orioles distribute runs evenly among games, winning games where the score is close. That’s my guess.

    The Orioles pitching isn’t great, which is why their run differential sucks. As far as scoring lots of runs, the Yankees have scored 7+ runs 27 times, Orioles 26. Orioles bullpen is good which helps them in 1 run games, not to mention they are 12-2 in extra inning games which tend to be 1 run games.

  98. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    austinmac -

    I don’t watch every Orioles game, so I wouldn’t know. But I do think that SOME of the Yankees struggles are tied to some breaks not going their way. You cannot deny that they have had some really well hit balls with RISP that do not end up being hits – either good plays are made or they are hit directly at someone. They’ve also just failed, but you cannot deny that there have been almost more than their share of hitting the ball on the nose – to nothing!

    The bullpen was largely responsible for keeping their season as good as it was until just after the ASB. CC and Andy going down together, plus no Mo, finally caught up.

  99. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    They’ve now got CC, Kuroda and Hughes going into the 7th at least. Phelps even got into the 7th this past start. That should help going forward

  100. Jerkface August 29th, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    The Yankees have only 1 more blow out win than the Orioles, but they have like 15 less blow out losses. The Yankees offense scores more runs overall (but generally of the 4-5 run variety) and the pitching gives up less, but I guess this team is just susceptible to situations that make winning close games dicey.

    The Yankees are platoon heavy in the lineup and the bullpen, which means running out of appropriate bench players to pinch hit, or bullpenners to put in the game, leading to unfavorable matchups. Also luck is a big factor in 1 run games.

  101. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    Jerkface -

    Have the Yankees played many extra inning games this years? I can remember about 3, but that can’t be right?

  102. Jerkface August 29th, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    Have the Yankees played many extra inning games this years? I can remember about 3, but that can’t be right?

    They are 3-3 in extra inning games, orioles are 12-2

  103. Jerkface August 29th, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    Orioles have 3 walk offs when trailing going into the 9th, and are 10-2 when tied going into the 9th. 58-1 with a lead into the 9th. 55-0 with a lead going into the 8th. 8-53 when losing. 8-4 when tied.

    Yankees are 0-46 when losing into the 9th. 4-3 when tied. 8-47 when losing into the 8th. 70-5 with a lead into the 9th. 62-5 with a lead into the 8th. 4-2 when tied in the 8th.

  104. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    Jerkface – you sure?

    They won 3 extra inning games???? I can’t even remember them.

  105. blake August 29th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    Wonder if the Yanks coukd get Krod? Their non Soriano/Robertaon pen is awful and its costing them games……they either need to do something like that or bute the bullet and try Montgomery.

  106. blake August 29th, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    They should also claim Joe Mauer#teamgreedy

  107. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    I was originally not in favor of using Montgomery. I’m not sure he’s “ready for prime time.” But I think that it might be worth a shot. It’d be another arm which gives a little more flexibility.

    You know, Corey Wade going back down to earth really hurt them.

    Rapada and Eppley are really one pitcher, in my mind. You need another one. At least.

    I have faith in Girardi’s use of the bullpen – he’s just short a man.

  108. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    Actually, until Joba gets more innings, he’s two men short.

  109. luis August 29th, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    Hello everyone,

    Tough loss for many reasons… CC wasn’t sharp… The offense squandered sooo many oportunities that it was mind boggling, granted this lineup wasn’t expected to score that many runs anyway… The pitching has to step it up a notch… Blake, I thinl they need to bring Montgomery in to the fold

  110. blake August 29th, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    “I have faith in Girardi’s use of the bullpen – he’s just short a man”

    He doesnt have much to work with…..thats not his fault…….bes got a team full of platoon pitchers and hitters.

  111. Tyler August 29th, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    I don’t like Girardi but this isn’t his fault right now. It’s a bad roster right now. They should have done something at the deadline. The Yankees have a financial advantage… it’s a waste not to use it. Hanley would sure look good playing 3rd right now and his attitude would have changed in New York just like it has on the Dodgers. Instead, Cashman sat still (not all his fault because I don’t think ownership supported a big move) and it’s hurting the team right now with the injuries.

    I still think the Yanks make the playoffs but their pitching better be almost perfect or it’s a first round exit. They need to win 2-1 because I have zero faith left in this offense even with a full lineup.

  112. austinmac August 29th, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    Villa,

    They have hit in some bad luck. Martin hasn’t had any luck until today. Still, it’s either a different mindset or different hitters that are often needed. They need more contact, average hitters. They need guys who can hit a ground ball to the middle infield with a runner on third or can bunt. In short, they need versatility.

  113. mick August 29th, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    Is this team that much different with Arod?
    When will Pearce go to 1st and the OF remain unchanged w/out Jones or Ibanez in it?
    Tex might be a bigger loss than Arod.
    We better get whole by next weekend against TB.
    If we can go 500 the next 10 games, I’d sign for it.

  114. luis August 29th, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    Tyler,

    I must say that I am not a Girardi fan… But this season he has done an amazing job keeping the Yankees on top despite the inordinate amount of injuries the team has sustained…

  115. austinmac August 29th, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    I remember them winning some extra inning games and smartly saying what a good sign that was compared to last years team. Those were the days.

  116. mick August 29th, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    We win the game today if Swish were in RF.
    Can Pearce play 1B adequately?

  117. luis August 29th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    Mick,

    Supposedly he can play 1st

  118. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    austinmac -

    I won’t argue that.

    Or at the very least, they need some of the guys they have to see things differently. Sometimes it feels as if they’ve dug their heels in and just “won’t” change their approaches. Which I don’t get. If you’re a major league player, with some success, shouldn’t you be able to be more than a Johnny one note? And what’s particularly frustrating is that some guys WERE more varied in their approach before they got to the Bronx. The short porch is great when the situation calls for it, but not every situation needs the ultimate solution.

    I never expect them to win every game. And I never think that this team doesn’t try. I just wish that they try something different.

  119. blake August 29th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    Honestly Girardi has been a strength this season…..its actually amazing they are even in first place with the roster and the injuries they habe had…..Mo, Pineda, Joba, Sabathia, Robertson, Tex, Swisher, Arod etc…..have all been on and off the DL…..hes fone a great job of patching it together and makig it work…..

    That said…..they had holes at the deadline and they chose to hold……it may bite them in the rear before its over cause although they should get Tex and Alex and Andy back…..the division coukd be decided in the next 2-3 weeks.

  120. Tyler August 29th, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    luis-

    Girardi isn’t a bad manager… I just think he’s average which sometimes can hurt the team. This has actually been his best season in my opinion (better than even ’09 since that team was just felt destined to win it all). I’d love a guy like Maddon or Leyland though.

  121. mick August 29th, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    Supposedly he can play 1st
    ===================
    well?
    Jones is hurt which will keep him off the field. Girardi is loyal to a fault.
    I’ve had it with him, how do you smile after dropping 2 flies?

  122. austinmac August 29th, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    Villa,

    I agree. That’s why I said a different mindset. Can you please cut down and make contact when a strike out kills you?

  123. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    I think Maddon would not work in New York. Unless the Yankees all of sudden had a team full of rookies.

  124. blake August 29th, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    The one saving grace is that the Yanks schedule the last 10 days or so of the season is pretty favorable if they can get to that point still in first place……if this is the team and they cant make any moves then the trick is going to be fending off the Rays and Os for the next 3 weeks……

  125. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    austinmac-

    Yep you said that. So, I agree! LOL

  126. mick August 29th, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    if this is the team
    ===========
    if this is the team w/out arod, tex and andy…we are done.

  127. blake August 29th, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    Jones shouldn’t play anymore…..he’s had all season to turn it around….time is up.

  128. blake August 29th, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    Yanks are extremely fortunate Derek Jeter morphed back into Derek Jeter last July…..

  129. luis August 29th, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    Tyler,

    I agree on 09, that team never seemed to be out of a game, ever…I always felt that there was comback coming when we were down, it was magical.

    I don”t think a Maddon type would do great on the Yankees.. My main beef with G is that he has very little feel for in game situations.. But he has handled the roster very well, if you take in to account all the shortcomings it has had due to injuries and IMO poor construction at the get go.

  130. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    I know they don’t have a whole lot in the minors, but I’m thinking that some fresh, YOUNGER, bodies would help.

    There could be strength in sheer numbers. Not having to hold back on a pinch hitter or pinch runner because there’d be no one left on the bench. That sort of thing. Plus, you know, Nunez and Cervelli have had their share of clutch hits in their time up here, and they are not unfamiliar with the pennant drive.

    We’ll see.

  131. mick August 29th, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    Jeter is their MVP.

  132. blake August 29th, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    Can you imagine this offense without Swisher next year and another platooney old guy in his place? Man I don’t want to…..

  133. mick August 29th, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    A guy like Musteliar could be their Ricky Ledee.
    Get hot for a month and provide energy.

  134. blake August 29th, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    See if Adams or Nunez can help……

  135. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    There’s another take on Girardi, perhaps. He has the guys he has, and doesn’t necessarily ask them to do things out of their comfort zone. He tries to play to their skillset, without moving too far out of that zone.

    He did win MOY for the Marlins. He was able to play a different brand of baseball. But he had different players, and not a lot of set-in-their-ways veterans… just something to think about.

  136. mick August 29th, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    you would think it could only get worse next year and 2014 could be a disaster with Hal 189.

  137. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    blake -

    Me neither.

    We’re seeing how limited the lineup can be without the switch hitters, at the very least.

    They suffered when Swisher was out of the lineup. They are suffering without Tex in the lineup.

    The lefty/righty stuff is good if it is a complement to how the team operates; not so much when it defines how the team has to operate.

  138. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    mick -

    I’m wiling to see how the off-season develops before I start thinking the worst.

    Also, a lot will depend on how this season finishes.

  139. mick August 29th, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    The lefty/righty nonsense is necessary because they all can’t hit.
    If you can get any advantage by platooning you only do it when you are lacking the talent otherwise.

  140. mick August 29th, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    I’m wiling to see how the off-season develops before I start thinking the worst.
    ===================
    why would the philosophy change in the OS?
    They have passed on talent in season because of Hal 189.

  141. tomingeorgia August 29th, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    ChiSox have put up three so far in the top of the first.

  142. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    It’s not nonsense when it’s used to supplement your regulars. Their regulars (Gardner, ARod, Tex) have missed quite a few games. The bench has become the regulars.

  143. mick August 29th, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    What reinforces Hal is that Girardi loves guys cut in his mold.
    The more Utility guys the better.

  144. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    mick -

    Because you don’t know what they’re going to be wiling to trade, and for what, for one thing.

  145. mick August 29th, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    It’s not nonsense when it’s used to supplement your regulars.
    ====================
    Exactly. Unfortunately they have become the regulars.

  146. mick August 29th, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    villa

    they don’t have much to offer.

  147. blake August 29th, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    Maybe the ChiSox showed up to help us out tonight…..Rays are winning though

  148. austinmac August 29th, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    I imagine a platoony old guy instead of Swisher regularly. It seems almost inevitable.

  149. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    It’s not like they’re doing this by choice, mick. There is no choice here.

    And as far as the off-season goes, you just don’t know. They may need to make only one key trade. Don’t necessarily need to have much to offer. Just the right pieces for the right team in the right trade.

    I’m only going to worry about one season at a time. No sense in being down about an off-season and future season that isn’t here yet.

  150. mick August 29th, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    except for being 3-0 vs the Nats , the yanks are a 500 team vs teams over 500

  151. tomingeorgia August 29th, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Camden Yards appears to have about 15,000 people in it. Amazing. Is that all the fans they have?

  152. luis August 29th, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Villa,

    That’s a very good point you raise about Girardi… He did managed more aggressively when some people went down and got some speed on the roster as a result… I think that you are right, he might be managing according to the roster he has.

  153. austinmac August 29th, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    I would much rather see Adams at the plate than Pearce. He has been considered a good prospect for a good while, short circuited by injuries. Pearce, in my lay person’s eyes, doesn’t look like a hitter.

  154. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    Austinmac -

    It will very definitely depend on where the Yankees end up this season.

    If they end up winning the WS, Hal can say, well, we did it with scrubs and fill-ins. If they don’t, Cashman can counter with the failings of ending up with a team full of role players. (Because the team didn’t start out that way in April)

  155. mick August 29th, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    It’s not like they’re doing this by choice, mick. There is no choice here.
    ===========================
    If you mean their new tightwad philosophy vs the old win now one, I disagree.
    That is their choice.

  156. mick August 29th, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    Cashman can counter with the failings of ending up with a team full of role players. (Because the team didn’t start out that way in April)
    ===================================
    Yes they did. They had Nunez instead of Nix.

  157. mick August 29th, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    Camden had 100,00 for the 1st game. Pathetic sports town, all football since Cal left.

  158. blake August 29th, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    Interlleague play is currently saving the Yanks bacon

  159. blake August 29th, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    When Pearce and Jones are your cleanup hitters in back to back games its hard to blame the manager…..

  160. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    mick-

    No, I mean the injuries. They did NOT intend for Ibanez, Nix/Nunez, etc., play nearly as much as they have been playing.

    I am not going to bash Yankees ownership or management.

  161. mick August 29th, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    yanks are 31-12 vs Bost, Mets, Cleve, KC, Sea and Wash

  162. mick August 29th, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    I am not going to bash Yankees ownership or management.
    ============
    Nyet. Not yet.

  163. Ys Guy August 29th, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    only a tremendously spoiled fanbase would call the team that has spent the most money in baseball for the past dozen years tightwads.

  164. mick August 29th, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    500 vs potential playoff teams doesn’t cut it.
    healthy they would be better…

  165. yankee21 August 29th, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    Like to see how Cashman handles things. Should be interesting for it to play out.

    Overseeing a farm system for the last 6 years that has utterly failed in developing key talent when really needed and working for an owner whose principle objective is not 28, but 189, he is left with securing guys like McGee, Nix, Lowe, and Pearce etc when the injury bug hits.

    All teams have injuries. TOR, BOS and STL situation has been just as bad, if not worse.

    Glad Cashman can still climb tall buildings in the OS at least that is a fallback position if things go to H in a Handbasket.

  166. mick August 29th, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    they just became tightwads with the new cba that hal wanted

  167. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    And mick, they started in April with the core roster and a bunch of role players. The core roster has been decimated. it started with Gardner, and that ended up being a bigger loss than anyone thought it could be. Swisher also missed time, twice, I think. Tex has missed time with the wrist before this calf injury. And ARod’s being out has hurt big time. People are being asked to do more than they were originally intended to. For the most part the have stepped up. But there is a limit and they are pushing it.

    Actually, I think they should have held on to DeWayne Wise, but I can’t say I wouldn’t have jumped on getting Ichiro if I had the chance.

  168. blake August 29th, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    “Ys Guy August 29th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
    only a tremendously spoiled fanbase would call the team that has spent the most money in baseball for the past dozen years tightwads.”

    Do you see the same urgency to win that they had in the past?

  169. Ys Guy August 29th, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    might be a good time to find another team to root for then…. (hint, hint…)

  170. Ys Guy August 29th, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    i see a first place team that is better than last year’s world champions.

  171. Ys Guy August 29th, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    please dont try and feed me that crap about how george did things. he actually can’t hold a candle to the people who have taken over since he stopped running things (into the ground)

  172. mick August 29th, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    The last straw was the Arod contract when the Yanks bid against themselves and Arod laughed all the way to the bank with Hank at his side.

    Hal took over after that and they are as opposite as they come, he and Hank.

  173. blake August 29th, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    The issues with the offense have been bubbling under the surface for a couple of years now….if this season doesn’t finally force them to address it then I’m not sure what will.

    Yes its still an above average offense relative to most teams….and yes they still score a lot of runs….but it’s not a Yankee quality offense and that’s what fans of the team expect.

  174. mick August 29th, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    he actually can’t hold a candle to the people who have taken over since he stopped running things (into the ground)
    ==================
    but he wasn’t a tightwad..

  175. mick August 29th, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    Yes its still an above average offense relative to most teams….and yes they still score a lot of runs….but it’s not a Yankee quality offense and that’s what fans of the team expect.
    =====================
    ownership knows the fans are suckers and will feed them an inferior product as long as they are competitive. even met fans realize that as they have stopped coming to the park.

  176. Ys Guy August 29th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    tightwad? how spoiled can you possibly be? spending more than anybody else isnt enough for you. i think you need to buy yourself a team, then.

  177. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    yankees21

    While it may be a tenuous hold, only the Yankees have managed to be in first place while dealing with those injuries. So, I’m not sure what your point is there with “all teams have injuries.”

    I think it is a credit to the quality of the bench players who HAVE stepped up, and earlier in the season, the bullpen which was lights out for a very long period of time.

    I think Cashman did a great job given the budgetary constraints he was under. He targeted specific types of players and for the most part they have been getting the job done. And had the injury bug not bitten so early (Gardner) and so often, they’d be doing a lot better now. As it is, they ARE holding on.

    They may not make it. I don’t confuse results with effort. I think at times a different approach would be better, but I’d never say these guys don’t give it their all.

  178. yankee21 August 29th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    George may not have been perfect but how many rings did his teams win in his tenure?

    How many people did George help out? Most of which are sworn to secrecy because George never gave to get his name in the paper.

    How often did fans see George at the games? We saw him getting steamed, flat out mad and exceedingly happy. He was a fan, I believe he had the heart of the fan in running this team.

    How many games has Hal attended? How often does Hal speak to the fans and tell them what his plans and expectations are and his committment level?

  179. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 29th, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    Did a speed run to the City today and got home about 1/2 hour ago, thinking I was in time to see the game. Well I did’t remember it was being played today. I see we lost. I’d like to use the beat up and injured reason but who’s more beat up and injured than the Jays?

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