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Roster uncertainty: September call-ups

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 30, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Most seasons, I have a decent sense of what to expect from September call-ups. They’re always relatively minor moves, and some people don’t care about them at all, but it’s usually pretty easy to pick out the guys who can come up and play some kind of role on the big league roster. This season seems like a little more of a mystery, both in terms of who gets called up, and what kind of role they might play.

Impact player
If the Yankees had a can’t-miss reliever in Triple-A, he’d already be here in place of Joba Chamberlain. If they had a standout hitter, they might not have traded for Casey McGehee or Steve Pearce. Instead, the closest thing to an impact call-up might be Eduardo Nunez. The Yankees utility man on Opening Day has been working on his shortstop defense in the minors, and although his minor league numbers are bad, he Yankees know he can hit a little bit at this level. Where he can have the greatest impact, though, is on the bases. He would instantly become the Yankees best pinch runner and a legitimate stolen base threat. Might get some at-bats against lefties, too.

Extra outfielder
Another outfielder could legitimately help the Yankees — it would give them someone other than Ichiro Suzuki to backup in center, and give them a defensive replacement when Nick Swisher plays first base — and they have two extra outfielders already on the 40-man. Zoilo Almonte has strong numbers this season, but he’s a corner guy in Double-A. Melky Mesa has a terrible batting average and a ton of strikeouts in Triple-A, but he’s a good defensive player with speed. In a limited role, he might make sense. Of course, the best available outfielder is Chris Dickerson, who has outstanding Triple-A numbers, experience in the Bronx and enough big league success to suggest he could legitimately help in a regular platoon role against right-handers. But Dickerson is not on the 40-man. Is it worth adding him for such a bit part? Would the Yankees want to add him anyway to keep him under team control this winter? And if not Dickerson, is it worth pulling Mesa out of regular minor league duty right away, or could additional outfield depth wait until after the minor league playoffs?

Third catcher
An extra catcher is a September 1 tradition, and the Yankees have two to choose from. Francisco Cervelli and Austin Romine are both on the 40-man roster, both playing in Triple-A and both capable of playing at the big league level. Romine is the one with greater long-term potential; Cervelli is the one with more immediate familiarity. For the first round of call-ups, Cervelli makes the most sense. Yes, there’s value in giving a prospect like Romine a little more time in the big league clubhouse, but Romine’s played fewer than 30 games this season and there’s more value in letting him continue to play every day until Scranton/Wilkes-Barre’s playoff run ends. Cervelli knows what he’s doing up here.

Bullpen depth
This is another September standard. If nothing else, the Yankees could use another arm to two to eat innings in a mopup role (think about last night’s game, if the Yankees had come back to tie and force extra innings). Problem is, there are only three healthy minor league pitchers currently on the 40-man roster: Cory Wade, Adam Warren and Justin Thomas. All three have been in the big leagues this season — Thomas with the Red Sox — so there’s reason to think they can do the job. Although Warren is the biggest prospect would be the most exciting of the three, it might also make sense to let him keep making minor league starts until the Triple-A postseason ends. Wade is probably the best bet, and Thomas would make sense as a third lefty who’s also stretched out enough to be a multi-inning mopup man. One other name to consider as an immediate impact possibility: Lefty Juan Cedeno. He’s pitched very well this season, and might be worth a 40-man spot in the offseason anyway.

Just out of curiosity
There’s not a lot of wiggle room on the Yankees 40-man roster right now, so “curiosity” call-ups might not happen. But there are three in particular that are worth mentioned (four if you count Cedeno as a guy who fits this category). In Triple-A, the Yankees have four-corners utility man Ronnier Mustelier putting up pretty good numbers, and as an older prospect, it’s worth exploring whether he could be a big league role player next season. Also in Triple-A, Chase Whitley has a 1.10 WHIP as a multi-inning reliever who’s moved quickly through the system. Down in Double-A Trenton, the greatest curiosity of all might be reliever Mark Montgomery, who has 97 strikeouts in 62.1 innings this season and gets compared to Dave Robertson. It’s probably a year too early for Montgomery to make his big league debut, but he has been overwhelming during his two years of pro ball.

Infielders on the 40-man
We’ve already mentioned the two minor league catcher, two minor league outfielders and three healthy minor league pitchers current on the 40-man, but infielders Ramiro Pena, Corban Joseph and David Adams are on the 40-man as well. Pena is a known commodity (good defense, little bit of speed, you know the drill) but Joseph and Adams are a little more intriguing. It might not make sense to call them up right away — might as well let them keep getting at-bats through the minor league playoffs — but both have put up strong numbers this season, with Joseph in particular hitting for surprising power in his Triple-A debut. They’re both pretty limited to second and third base, and if the Yankees think they could play some sort of role next season, it wouldn’t hurt to get their feet wet with a few at-bats down the stretch.

Returning big leaguers
These are the no brainers. Casey McGehee will be added to the roster as soon as Charleston’s season is over. Alex Rodriguez, Andy Pettitte and Ivan Nova will come off the disabled list as soon as they’re healthy. The only real question mark in this group is Pedro Feliciano. Is he effective enough in his return from shoulder surgery to be a viable big league reliever? If so, the Yankees might as well bring him up to get something out of that contract.

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416 Responses to “Roster uncertainty: September call-ups”

  1. blake August 30th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    “How so? I always worried that they’d over react to what the Red Sox would do, because of the fan reaction. There was always too much of a knee jerk response to what Boston did.”

    Cause Cashman has been around longer…..he was doing analytical stuff in a big market with the Yanks before Theo ever came along.

  2. MTU August 30th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    Wow.

    That’s quite a complete analysis Chad.

    Thanks.

  3. blake August 30th, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    They dont just need depth from the call ups…..they need actual help from them

  4. MTU August 30th, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    Just bring everbody up.

    :)

  5. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    I’d love to see them add Adams, but doubt it happens. Joseph has the bat, but no position. I doubt Zoilo gets the call; he is too inconsistent right now. Melky Mesa could come in for defense and speed, but whenever I have seen him, he just cannot hit breaking balls. Too bad that Montgomery is a year away, just don’t think they would call him up.

  6. MTU August 30th, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    sp: everybody. sorry.

  7. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    MTU, good for your wife re: visiting GFS. Was it a pleasure trip?

  8. blake August 30th, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    Adams is 25 years old and has crushed LHP this year…..at his age Im not sure what theyd be waiting on….

  9. MTU August 30th, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    YF-

    In part.

  10. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 30th, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    “Cause Cashman has been around longer…..he was doing analytical stuff in a big market with the Yanks before Theo ever came along.”

    That would be a definite yes. In addition, Cashman is being given tons of credit for the kind of bench players he has brought to the team. In fact, I’ve been hearing comments that that’s the model the Sux owners should be using in their upcoming seasons.

    Not everyone believes that Cashman is a total failure. Because some of us don’t talk about it ad nauseum doesn’t mean we don’t believe Cashman’s done a good job.

  11. The Return of Stoneburner August 30th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    Q: Wouldn’t he like the home-run-happy Bronx Bombers?

    A: That’s by design. All I’ve done is inherit what (former GM) Gene Michael taught me — high on-base percentage guys not afraid to take a walk but can beat you with the long ball. We’re in scoring position every time we’re at the plate. That’s the type of team we want, and that’s the type of team we’ve built.

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports…..z20KImk9sA

  12. jmills August 30th, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Jays 2 Rays 0 – maybe we can help you out,…..maybe not :). I do hope Yankee management acknowledge the depth of inherent support you all throw. At least maybe an end of season banquet with Guidry or something.

  13. MTU August 30th, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Trisha-

    Here’s what I believe in :

    https://picasaweb.google.com/109721757058432487394/SimpleThings?authkey=Gv1sRgCKP25tuduNG3kQE#

    :)

  14. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    Nah, blake; it’s the reverse, Cash credited Theo in advancing Cash’s way of evaluating players and the game.

  15. mick August 30th, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    The Bronx Bombers true to their name.
    The House That Ruth Built with that short RF porch.
    Get over yourselves.

  16. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    yanks gonna beat back buck’s boys this w/e!

    it’ll be fun!

  17. blake August 30th, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    “A: That’s by design. All I’ve done is inherit what (former GM) Gene Michael taught me — high on-base percentage guys not afraid to take a walk but can beat you with the long ball. We’re in scoring position every time we’re at the plate. That’s the type of team we want, and that’s the type of team we’ve built. ”

    The problem is that the Yanks havent built a high OBP high homer team…..theybe built a high homer low OBP team.

  18. MTU August 30th, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    Cashman has a Randyball philosophy when it comes to the O.

    :)

  19. mick August 30th, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    Jays 2 Rays 0 – maybe we can help you out,…..maybe not :) . I do hope Yankee management acknowledge the depth of inherent support you all throw. At least maybe an end of season banquet with Guidry or something.
    ==============
    We have laid a subliminal head trip on your Jays by letting them think they can beat us as we know the Rays were next for them.
    With this extra confidence they have become our allies til we play them again mid Sept when we are racing to the pennant…

  20. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    MTU August 30th, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    JAP-

    That would be just fine if he were a carpenter but he’s a Catcher.

    So he’s outta here.

    ;)
    ///

    :D

    Blake, saw it. I dunno, I think Theo beat Cashman to the punch, in terms of implementing that way of thinking on the ML level.

  21. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    yankees #4 in obp in the majors.

  22. mick August 30th, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    yankees #4 in obp in the majors.
    ===================
    Martin at around 300 obp aint chopped liver.

  23. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    jmills August 30th, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Jays 2 Rays 0 – maybe we can help you out,…..maybe not :) . I do hope Yankee management acknowledge the depth of inherent support you all throw. At least maybe an end of season banquet with Guidry or something.
    ///

    Always thought Guidry was kind of the Keith Richards of the Yankees. Always telling great stories, a great observer of those around him. Guidry was the man back in the day. Rarely missed a Guidry start at the Stadium.

    jmills, what’s your position on Wallace Stevens? :D

  24. MTU August 30th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    I want an O just like the 98 team.

    :)

  25. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    MTU, Great tree!

  26. MTU August 30th, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    JAP-

    Think that is what Heaven looks like ?

    :)

  27. jmills August 30th, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    MTU, Trish, anything that flowers in sand and sun is alright by me. P.S., “perspicacious?” – that one sent me to Oxford right away! – word of the month, Trish.

  28. The Return of Stoneburner August 30th, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    blake August 30th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
    “A: That’s by design. All I’ve done is inherit what (former GM) Gene Michael taught me — high on-base percentage guys not afraid to take a walk but can beat you with the long ball. We’re in scoring position every time we’re at the plate. That’s the type of team we want, and that’s the type of team we’ve built. ”

    The problem is that the Yanks havent built a high OBP high homer team…..theybe built a high homer low OBP team.

    ********

    Yankees 2012 OBP: .334

    Yankees 1998 OBP: .364

    Yankees 2000 OBP: .354

    Yankees 2001 OBP: .334

    Yankees 2009 OBP: .342

    They are kind of in the neighborhood – at the low end – but in the neighborhood and not far off ’09 – - – - -

  29. MTU August 30th, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    Jmills-

    Then you must like me.

    I thrive on that.

    :)

  30. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    martin’s obp is higher than ichiro’s.

  31. blake August 30th, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    “Nah, blake; it’s the reverse, Cash credited Theo in advancing Cash’s way of evaluating players and the game.”

    Cashman was one of the guys that paved the way for Theo to even exist…..sure Cashman may have borrowed some ideas from Theo later on but that goes both ways. Cash was one of if not the first to utilize sabermetrics effectively in a big market….and was doing it long before Theo was the GM of the Red Sox.

  32. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 30th, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    And by the way, the Yankees have been “reacting” to moves the Sux make for a very long time. Steinbrenner would do the same thing – and vice versa with the Sux. They have always played one up.

  33. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    blake August 30th, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    Adams is 25 years old and has crushed LHP this year…..at his age Im not sure what theyd be waiting on….
    ////

    Yes, and Adams can’t really be viewed as a “AA” player. He’s missed a lot of time due to injury. Kid does not give away ABs and can hit and seems comfortable enough on the corner. Bring him forth!

  34. blake August 30th, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    .334 isn’t all that great an on base percentage….it’s fine….but it’s not what Gene Micheal was talking about

  35. mick August 30th, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    I think ppl just like saying “Theo.”

  36. The Return of Stoneburner August 30th, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    Cash was one of if not the first to utilize sabermetrics effectively in a big market….and was doing it long before Theo was the GM of the Red Sox.

    ******

    Gene Michael was doing way before Brad Pitt and company came along – - – -

  37. jmills August 30th, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    Alfred, Gilles Villeneuve in Ferraris, Gilles Villemure on harness racing – reminds me of that Coleville painting of the horse running towards the midnight train – rock on!

  38. MTU August 30th, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    Martin going next year will be like AJ. Addition by subtraction.

    :)

  39. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    OK, I remembered that Cash credited Theo, but didn’t have a source. I just found an article that speaks to this very topic:

    “(The Red Sox) were having a great deal of success with players of lesser ability,” Cashman says. “I studied what they were doing to some degree, adjusted accordingly, brought the Yankees up to speed, brought us into the 21st century.”

    The Yankees, a perennial post-season qualifier, also held low draft positions. When Cashman secured more power before the 2006 season, one of his goals was to improve the team’s farm system. At the time, the feeling among many rival executives was that the Red Sox were about to blow right past the Yankees.

    Cashman, in his quest to play catch-up, hired Joe Kerrigan, the Red Sox’s former pitching coach and manager who had been replaced at the outset of the Henry regime.

    “How they approached their pitching program was of interest to me,” Cashman says. “I was throwing out much more (pitching) talent than the Red Sox had and they were having more success. It goes to execution, game plans, stuff like that.”

    Cashman’s shift toward statistical analysis caused friction with then-manager Joe Torre, who said in his book, “The Yankee Years,” that he told the GM to remember the human element, and “never forget that there’s a heartbeat in this game.”

    Joe Girardi replaced Torre before the 2008 season. The Yankees won the World Series in ’09. And today, they are among the most aggressive teams on the statistical side, with more than 20 people working on analytics, according to Cashman. The A’s, by contrast, employ one such person — “and he has a host of other duties,” Beane says.”

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....ted-092011

  40. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    Let him utilize somewhere else :D

  41. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 30th, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    “Trisha-

    Here’s what I believe in :”

    That replenished my heart and soul MTU.

    We’re on our way to #28.

    :)

  42. jmills August 30th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    MTU- I have a whole collection of succulents – one of the euphorbias is too big to move out of the house anymore.

  43. MTU August 30th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    Trisha-

    We aims to please around here.

    :)

  44. The Return of Stoneburner August 30th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    blake August 30th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
    .334 isn’t all that great an on base percentage….it’s fine….but it’s not what Gene Micheal was talking about

    *********

    It is in the neighborhood – especially of past Yankees teams to have gone to the WS round – closer to ’09 and ’01. It is definitely not a “low” obp as you originally indicated.

  45. mick August 30th, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    I would like to know our record with most or all of the regulars in the lineup.
    You can leave out Gardner.

  46. MTU August 30th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Mr. Mills-

    If it’s one thing we have in great adundance around my neck of woods it’s Cacti.

    All sizes, shapes, and varieties.

    Have you ever seen an Argentinian cactus in bloom ?

  47. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    jmills August 30th, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    Alfred, Gilles Villeneuve in Ferraris, Gilles Villemure on harness racing – reminds me of that Coleville painting of the horse running towards the midnight train – rock on!
    ///

    jmills, I had to look up Alex Colville, who I see is a compatriot of yours :D. There’s a great story about Gilles and his harness racing. Emile Francis, then Ranger coach, had no idea his goalie was also a jockey. He happened to be at races one night and heard Gilles Villemure’s name called as one of the riders. That’s how he found out!

  48. mick August 30th, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    Anybody going to see Mattingly and his Dodgers at the Stadium in 2013?

    Lohud Picnic?

  49. blake August 30th, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    “1. It is definitely not a “low” obp as you originally indicated.”

    Not high either…..

    YF,
    yes Cashman has used some things Theo did…..but my point is that Cashman helped pave rhe road for Theo…

  50. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 30th, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    j mills – GO JAYS!!!!!

  51. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    yankeefem – good read. I remember him giving lip service to Epstein a few times. Depressing stuff.

  52. randy l. August 30th, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    “Cashman has a Randyball philosophy when it comes to the O.”

    mtu-

    them’s fighting words :)

  53. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    tex is down 50 pts in obp from what he was prior to his signing. alex down 40 pts. martin down 40 pts.

    these guy’s opb #’s have gone down since they were signed. there’s nothing you can do about the long-term guys not obp’ing the way they were expected to. so the obp is down some but still #4 in the majors is nothing to sneeze at.

    they are only .006 behind the major league lead.

  54. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    Only regulars on the 2009 team who had an OBP below .363 were Cano at .352 and Melky .336.

  55. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 30th, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    Well if Cashman used Theo’s model of picking off the trash heap, we all know who has done the better picking!!! And it’s not Theo!

    :D

  56. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    sorry they are .06 behind the major league lead. not .006

  57. blake August 30th, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    Also Id be willing to bet that those other teams had a higher BA component of their OBP than the 2012 team does…..

  58. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    MTU August 30th, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    JAP-

    Think that is what Heaven looks like ?

    :)
    ///

    MTU,

    Very like.
    :D

  59. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 30th, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Hey mick!

  60. mick August 30th, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    OBP is down as there are more free swingers esp in the Stadium where you can slice one for a HR at any time.

  61. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Blake, I get you. I am more referring to saber/advanced statistics, run prevention, etc. Cash’s new prescriptive approach is Theo-driven. Not that others too haven’t adapted the new statistical methods. And many of them are useful, as long as they are not adhered to as a religion. JMO.

  62. The Return of Stoneburner August 30th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    blake August 30th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
    Also Id be willing to bet that those other teams had a higher BA component of their OBP than the 2012 team does…..

    ********

    BA was not part of the original Post article – all it referenced was obp and homers – - – -

  63. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    *adopted

  64. jmills August 30th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    Alfred, if you ever catch me on a horse, I’m fit to be tied.

    YF, I got 95 in stats. When do I get a contract?

  65. mick August 30th, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    guys do not walk like they used to.
    wassup trish.

  66. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    jmills, you can be added to the advanced stats payroll if you want to come over to the dark side. ;)

  67. The Return of Stoneburner August 30th, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    A better frame of reference would probably be the 2001 Yankees to this team – both same OBP – - – -

  68. MTU August 30th, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    Trisha-

    Since I like you so much :

    https://picasaweb.google.com/109721757058432487394/SnowCanyonStatePk?authkey=Gv1sRgCLWiiZii9enRCQ#

    You like snow don’t you ?

    How about in this type of a setting ?

    ;)

  69. blake August 30th, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    BA helps make OBP.

  70. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    signing tex was a great coup. i know people love to b*tch about him but if he had gone to boston, things might be very different between the 2 teams right now.

  71. mick August 30th, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    obp does not buy the bacon, doesn’t line your pockets, ops is the rage so you better slug.

  72. jmills August 30th, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    YF, I’m ok with the dark except when I dream about snakes.

    Trish – great pics, let’s make Vanishing Point for the third time.

  73. blake August 30th, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    Basically if you have a club with a .280 team BA who has a team OBP of .340……I think they are going to be better offensively than a team with a .260 team BA with a team OBP of .340

    Assuming they both hit the same number of homers….that first team is going to be able to score more ways.

  74. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    MTU August 30th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
    YF-

    In part.
    ___
    Does she do some work at GFS?

  75. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 30th, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    MTU – I believe that would be called God’s country. Absolutely beautiful. :)

  76. MTU August 30th, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    YF-

    This is especially for you.

    https://picasaweb.google.com/109721757058432487394/GroundsForSculpture?authkey=Gv1sRgCMzQ2qHv6rPMfA#

    ;)

  77. jmills August 30th, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    Sorry, thought it was Trish sending more pics, it was you MTU! You get to sit in the final Dodge Challenger!!!

  78. MTU August 30th, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    YF-

    No. Nothing like that. She is visiting a sick relative as well.

    Trisha-

    Want more ?

    I’m in a picture sharing mood on this off day.

    :)

  79. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    MTU,

    Right down the street from me. Well, actually about 15 minutes away off 295 :D.

  80. jmills August 30th, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    MTU – I felt like the scream a couple of times,…that’s why I left dentistry! :)

    I have some great serpentine stone sculpture from Zimbabwe.

  81. MTU August 30th, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    I’m courtin’ the ladies.

    Here ya’ go Trisha.

    https://picasaweb.google.com/109721757058432487394/Dammeron?authkey=Gv1sRgCKbcpqj51bqb-QE#

    Desert. What Desert ?

    :)

  82. blake August 30th, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    “signing tex was a great coup. ”

    I agree……but I do wish hed be the 2009 version of himself again.

  83. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    These are gorgeous, MTU. They make my heart sing.

  84. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    yankees first in slg% and first in ops in the majors.

  85. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 30th, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    Hey mick, not much. Just trying to figure out the “beat up” factor on our favorite team.

    You really have to admire the swagger on the O’s. I’m hoping it only carries them so far. Also, I think it’s tough to have swagger when you’re beat up and tired. (Or is it that it is I who feels that way and am automatically transferring it to our Yanks?)

  86. MTU August 30th, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    JAP-

    Lucky you. I plan on returning.

    A photographer’s dream.

  87. blake August 30th, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    Thoze are beautiful MTU

  88. MTU August 30th, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    YF-

    You’re lucky you’re so close.

    Glad you enjoyed them.

    That makes my heart sing.

    :)

  89. blake August 30th, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    “yankees first in slg% and first in ops in the majors.”

    When you hit loads of homers that happens…….but why do you suppose they arent first in Runs scored and that they have the least runs at this point in the season that they have had in over a decade?

  90. jmills August 30th, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    MTU – I landed on a glacier in a single engine plane,… I’m never doing that again.

  91. MTU August 30th, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    Blake-

    I have been very pre-occupied lately with family issues.

    I miss being out there. As you know it’s my passion. Right up there with baseball.

    I hope people will forgive me for indulging a bit tonight.

    It’s an off day anyway, right ?

    :)

  92. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    MTU, I am hoping to get to GFS before the Trenton playoff games.

    My thoughts are with your wife’s relative.

  93. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    MTU, it is a special place. I only bring select people there :D

  94. MTU August 30th, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    Mills-

    I hope it had the requisite landing gear.

    Sounds like fun. Which Glacier, and where ?

  95. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 30th, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    MTU – oh how I want to be there. I actually got goosebumps looking at the picture with the two-mountain view, one looking like desert and the other covered with snow. No wonder there is so much beauty in your heart and soul. You drink it daily!

  96. MTU August 30th, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    Thanks YF.

    Appreciate that.

    JAP-

    I have many such places out here.

    Can’t say I blame ya’.

  97. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    idk why the lead in runs scored is down in mlb. but they are still first. would you like it better if they were 5th? or 15th?

  98. randy l. August 30th, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    the reason i don’t like cashman has nothing to do with statistical analysis. there are a lot of people in baseball coaching who could not work with cashman nor would he want them to work for him. he tends to hire hire people who kiss up to him. a lot of the people i know in baseball are strong personalities and i think cashman fears that kind of guy.

    he ends up with dave eilands. guys like stottlemyres or guidry’s don’t last with cashman simply because they are not kiss asses.

    the rays are into statistical analysis but they don’t fear strong coaching personalities the way cashman does. if someone is going to be a yankee coach you can be sure he’ll be a ” no comment ” kind of guy.

    there will be no torre’s or sttotlemyres or zimmers or bowa’s or mattingly’s.

  99. jmills August 30th, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    MTU, I was out in B.C. With my New Age sister who hates everything East even though we make them economically viable. I have no idea of the name of the thing , I’m just thankful the pilot didn’t have a heart attack.

  100. blake August 30th, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    MTU,

    Who doesnt like pretty pictures right?

  101. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 30th, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    I know two things that will be very good for my flagging constitution and psyche – caffeine and a look at MTU’s pictures. Going to go purchase the first and will return to drink in the second.

  102. MTU August 30th, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    Trisha-

    Thank you for the compliment.

    I have always said to you and others that I am blessed to live in such a place, and that the good Lord has allowed me this Earthly peek into his Kingdom.

    I am truly humbled by it and feel privledged. He has given me a camera so I can share what I am allowed to see.

    That’s even better.

    :)

    :)

  103. The Return of Stoneburner August 30th, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    blake August 30th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
    Basically if you have a club with a .280 team BA who has a team OBP of .340……I think they are going to be better offensively than a team with a .260 team BA with a team OBP of .340

    Assuming they both hit the same number of homers….that first team is going to be able to score more ways.

    ******

    Again – the original article from the Post dealt with getting obs guys not afraid to take a walk. While BA is down to 2001 levels – the obp is still on par with a WS competitive Yankees team from the past and the last of the 90s dynasty – - – - -

  104. blake August 30th, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    “idk why the lead in runs scored is down in mlb. but they are still first. would you like it better if they were 5th? or 15th?”

    No….Id like it better if they hit homers and scored more runs rhan everyone else…..I think fheir offense as currently constructed is too dependent on walks and homers.

  105. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    funny i thought i saw torre, stottlemyre zimmer, bowa and mattingly all coaching for the yankees while bc while cashman was the g.m.

    maybe it was just guys who looked like them…

  106. MTU August 30th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    Mills-

    No worries then.

    Your Sister’s crystals had you protected all along.

    :)

    Blake-

    Being there is 10,000 times better.

    Just like those Falls where you are.

    I bet if I took Joba out he’d find the plate in an instant.

    :)

  107. blake August 30th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    “Again – the original article from the Post dealt with getting obs guys not afraid to take a walk. While BA is down to 2001 levels – the obp is still on par with a WS competitive Yankees team from the past and the last of the 90s dynasty – – – -”

    And this team is scoring a lot less runs than those

  108. jmills August 30th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    MTU-you are indeed blessed in such environs; please tell my new Age sista’ the East aint so bad. :)

  109. randy l. August 30th, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    “funny i thought i saw torre, stottlemyre zimmer, bowa and mattingly all coaching for the yankees while bc while cashman was the g.m.”

    you see any of them stick around as cashman got power as george was fading ?

    you see anyone who resembles those guys now?

  110. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    how long did torre spend in atlanta, anaheim and with the mets? how long did stotlemyre last with the astros, mets and mariners? how many teams did zim coach or manage?

    yeah, it must be cashman…

  111. jmills August 30th, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    Villeneuve, Villemure,…Villewaveya’ or whatever his name is, just tossed 6 shutout.

  112. randy l. August 30th, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    “yeah, it must be cashman…”

    cashman would like you :)

  113. The Return of Stoneburner August 30th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    blake August 30th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
    “Again – the original article from the Post dealt with getting obs guys not afraid to take a walk. While BA is down to 2001 levels – the obp is still on par with a WS competitive Yankees team from the past and the last of the 90s dynasty – – – -”

    And this team is scoring a lot less runs than those

    *******

    Again – the reference was to 2001. That team scored 4.99 runs a game or 5. The 2012 Yanks are scoring 4.83 runs a game. That is not “a lot less runs.”

  114. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    larry rothschild and tony pena are just butt-kissing yes men?

  115. randy l. August 30th, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    “larry rothschild and tony pena are just butt-kissing yes men?”

    aren’t they?

  116. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    randy, not to get into this again, but cashman has shills on sites such as this… just sayin.

  117. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    you just said cashman would never keep those guys around, but he kept them around longer than all the other guys who had those managers and coaches you mentioned.

    do you have some explanation why you hate cashman for not keeping those guys around when he kept them around longer than any of their other employers did?

  118. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    jmills, the East has the better ocean. ;)

  119. randy l. August 30th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    pena is lucky to have a job after the embarrassment he had in kansas city.

    rothschild is a strong personality?

  120. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    I would have thought Pena was his own man, just based on what I’ve read… a pity he was not really considered for the manager’s job.
    ///

    jmills: you never gave me your position on Wallace Stevens, sir!

  121. jmills August 30th, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    Strike three – Oliver on in the seventh.

  122. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    J-Ram having another nice outing. Thing about J-Ram aside from just how well he is pitching is his really solid splits, almost a mirror image.

    Flores, double and triple. Sanchez two hits. tyanks emailed me that his catching has been pretty brutal though…

  123. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    i seem to remember that george ran zim out (or zim’s fat mouth ran himself out) not cashman.

    am i wrong?

  124. jmills August 30th, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    TS – ” Wallace Stevens,” I require more erudition prior to the dance in the woods.

  125. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    yankeefem – trade bait :mad:

  126. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    Pruf, as per Wallace Stevens. Appropriate perhaps to some GM’s and others:

    Rationalists, wearing square hats,
    Think, in square rooms,
    Looking at the floor,
    Looking at the ceiling.
    They confine themselves
    To right-angled triangles.
    If they tried rhomboids,
    Cones, waving lines, ellipses –
    As, for example, the ellipse of the half-moon –
    Rationalists would wear sombreros.

  127. blake August 30th, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    the 2001 team was a long time ago…..and they had a better pitching staff.

    Compared to the last championship team….the 2012 club has over 100 less runs scored today than the 2009 team did (629 to 739)

    On August 30th the 2009 Yanks had the most runs scored in baseball….this year the 4th most…..it’s still a good offense overall when it’s healthy….but it’s not as good as we are used to

  128. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    did cash run torre out or did he just not back joe up when others wanted him out as torre said?

  129. blake August 30th, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    down almost 100 runs from the 2011 team too…..

  130. jacksquat August 30th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
    randy, not to get into this again, but cashman has shills on sites such as this… just sayin.

    LOL!!!

    Yes, Brian Cashman has people come here to defend himself from guys like J. Alfred Prufrock and randy l. They could ruin him!

    :lol:

  131. randy l. August 30th, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    “do you have some explanation why you hate cashman for not keeping those guys around when he kept them around longer than any of their other employers did?”

    cashman is a weenie.

    no hatred involved.

  132. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    The 2009 team had brilliant batting splits. No platoon team, that.

  133. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    yankeefem – LMFAOROFFL! Cashman in a nutshell!!! One of my favorite poems, by the way, the whole series.

    I visited a couple of “earthships” in upstate NY recently, and I have to tell you, Cashman and Girardi would not be comfortable in those round rooms, but I could live in one well enough :D

  134. blake August 30th, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    “The 2009 team had brilliant batting splits. No platoon team, that.”

    right….that team hit a lot of homers….but they could score other ways too and they weren’t nearly as prone to being matched up late in games.

    If you don’t walk this 2012 team and you keep them in the park then they have a real problem scoring……

  135. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    internet shilling is done all the time, jackie boy. The head honcho for Whole Foods got caught doing it.

  136. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    so your explanation for why you hate cashman was complete b.s. that you can’t even back up. it holds no water

    so you go to ‘cahman is a weenie.

  137. jmills August 30th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    YF-so,”true,” yet I do need the illusion of solid pragmatics.

  138. blake August 30th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    The Yanks have scored 10 less runs on August 30th than the 2008 team.

  139. The Return of Stoneburner August 30th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    blake August 30th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
    the 2001 team was a long time ago…..and they had a better pitching staff.

    Compared to the last championship team….the 2012 club has over 100 less runs scored today than the 2009 team did (629 to 739)

    On August 30th the 2009 Yanks had the most runs scored in baseball….this year the 4th most…..it’s still a good offense overall when it’s healthy….but it’s not as good as we are used to

    ******

    2001 team ERA 4.02 vs. Run scored 4.99 around 5 (.98 difference)

    2012 team ERA 3.80 vs. runs score 4.83 (1.03 difference)

    2009 team ERA 4.26 vs. runs scored 5.6 (1.24 difference)

    Again – this year’s team is comparable 2001 – and is not that far out of the neighborhood of 2009

  140. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    blake, yup. And 7 players on that 2009 team hit 20 homers or more. What a fun team to watch!

  141. randy l. August 30th, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    i don’t think j.a.p. and i can take any credit for most of this thread questioning cashman. most of the heavy lifting was done by others before we jumped in.

    we’re just adding our two cents to the conversation.

  142. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    jmills, at least you know it is an illusion. ;)

  143. blake August 30th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    “Again – this year’s team is comparable 2001 – and is not that far out of the neighborhood of 2009″

    they have scored over 100 less runs on this date than the 2009 team…..how is that in the same neighborhood?

  144. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    jmills, lol.

  145. The Return of Stoneburner August 30th, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    blake August 30th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
    The Yanks have scored 10 less runs on August 30th than the 2008 team.

    *****

    2008 team’s ERA 4.28 – vs. run scored 4.87 (difference of .59)

  146. blake August 30th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    when healthy this isn’t a bad offense…..it’s a flawed offense but it’s a good one compared to most teams……the problem is that its the Yankees and we expect more….we expect them to be the best….

    their pitching staff is solid….but it’s not dominant enough to ideally play without a really good offense to back it up.

  147. randy l. August 30th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    “so your explanation for why you hate cashman was complete b.s. that you can’t even back up. it holds no water

    so you go to ‘cahman is a weenie.”

    well he is.

    i know the truth hurts, but hey he is.

  148. The Return of Stoneburner August 30th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    blake August 30th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
    “Again – this year’s team is comparable 2001 – and is not that far out of the neighborhood of 2009?

    they have scored over 100 less runs on this date than the 2009 team…..how is that in the same neighborhood?

    ********

    You are the one that brought up pitching to defend the 2001 analysis – and it is relevant to compare pitching with the runs scored given that you opened the door. Again, the 2012 Yankees are somewhat similar to the 2001 Yankees – and when viewed overall – not out of the neighborhood of 2009 – - – -as things become equalized – - – - I appreciate your willingness to factor in pitching with 2001 – the same needs to then be carried over to 2009 as well – as much poorer pitching staff than 2012 – - – -

  149. blake August 30th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    “2008 team’s ERA 4.28 – vs. run scored 4.87 (difference of .59)”

    that team missed the playoffs!

  150. jmills August 30th, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    YF,….don’t tell the clients. ( I promise to take gentle care of them )

  151. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    As long as we’re on the subject, lol at Cashman for getting all moral high road about Melky, meanwhile he dated a woman who was extorting money from him and whose own daughter has taken out a four year restraining order against her.

  152. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    That 2008 team was ravaged with injuries.

    The Vagabond Yanks are IL Champions! Great job!

    Donnie Collins ?@swbyankeesTT
    Igarashi gets Pridie on a change. Yanks win. The impossible dream, to steal a line from Al Michaels, has come true. They’re IL North champs.
    Retweeted by Mike Ashmore

  153. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    cashman didnt hire a guy you know and respect to be the yankees pitching coach. (neither has anyone else to this point) you will never forgive him for that.

    now to me, that’s a perfectly acceptable reason not to like a guy. but not a good reason to rip every other move the guy has ever made.

    you are waaaay too knowlegeable about baseball to even believe most of the crap you throw at cashman.

  154. Pat M. August 30th, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    blake……..As the next few years unfold Yankee fans better get used to the pitching being the strength of the club as the lineup shrinks as will the numbers on the scoreboard dwindle

  155. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    jmills, my lips are sealed. :)

  156. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    He’s certainly a weasel. Who else goes out of their way to talk trash about players you yourself drafted, after you deal them away and they actually do well?

  157. The Return of Stoneburner August 30th, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    blake August 30th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
    “2008 team’s ERA 4.28 – vs. run scored 4.87 (difference of .59)”

    that team missed the playoffs!

    *****

    You brought up 2008 – without factoring the difference in pitching staffs – and again – the numbers for 2012 are much similar to 2001 – runs scored and ERA – though 2012 has a better ERA

  158. blake August 30th, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    “Again, the 2012 Yankees are somewhat similar to the 2001 Yankees –”

    except for having worse pitching and a less diverse offense.

    “I appreciate your willingness to factor in pitching with 2001 – the same needs to then be carried over to 2009 as well – as much poorer pitching staff than 2012 – – – ”

    I’d say the 2012 rotation is deeper and maybe a bit better….but Sabathia was pitching better then….AJ was ok….and Pettite was healthy….plus they had Rivera and the competition was much worse that season too. That team didn’t play anybody close to the teams this one will have to beat to win it all…..

  159. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    IL *North, that is…

  160. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    btw to be honest, i am the same way about larussa because he was a weenie to me. but i try to respect his tremendous accomplishments.

  161. The Return of Stoneburner August 30th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
    He’s certainly a weasel. Who else goes out of their way to talk trash about players you yourself drafted, after you deal them away and they actually do well?

    ********

    Ahhhhhh

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Steinbrenner

  162. blake August 30th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    “blake……..As the next few years unfold Yankee fans better get used to the pitching being the strength of the club as the lineup shrinks as will the numbers on the scoreboard dwindle”

    Why can’t both be a strength !

  163. The Return of Stoneburner August 30th, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    blake August 30th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
    “Again, the 2012 Yankees are somewhat similar to the 2001 Yankees –”

    except for having worse pitching and a less diverse offense.

    ********

    But that is not true. Again, the 2012 ERA is 3.80 – the 2001 Yankees had a 4.02 ERA – - – - -

  164. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    The 2009 bullpen was tremendous though…

  165. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    YsGuy, you approve of the way Cashman set up Posada to be publicly embarrassed, the way he spoke publicly about Jeter, and how he demeaned Bernie Williams? That’s all just fine by you? Because that stuff is bush league. No need to go to Machiavellian lengths to let Posada know you aim to phase him out. That wasn’t enough: he had to drool over his .195 hitting catcher and compare him to Thurman Munson – another indirect shot at Posada.

    Cashman is a weasel. He’s the Yankee GM, but he’s a weasel, and why the hell shouldn’t it be said. He can trash talk about Yankee icons, but we have to tippy toe around him on this board? The hell.

  166. blake August 30th, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    “You brought up 2008 – without factoring the difference in pitching staffs ”

    offensively that team wasn’t great either….the overall point is that this isn’t a great offense like we are used to with the Yankees….it’s a good one….it’s one thats good enough to win it all if they pitch and everything goes right…..but it’s not a dominant offense and it’s an offense that can be pitched to rather easily IMO

  167. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    “it’s an offense that can be pitched to rather easily IMO”

    QFT. I have been saying this for two years now.

  168. The Return of Stoneburner August 30th, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    blake August 30th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
    “You brought up 2008 – without factoring the difference in pitching staffs ”

    offensively that team wasn’t great either….the overall point is that this isn’t a great offense like we are used to with the Yankees….it’s a good one….it’s one thats good enough to win it all if they pitch and everything goes right…..but it’s not a dominant offense and it’s an offense that can be pitched to rather easily IMO

    *******

    Sounds like the 2001 team to me – or at least similar.

  169. Nilsson August 30th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    Back in 2001, someone did an analysis to determine which was better at measuring offensive performance — AVG, OBP, or SLG?

    This is what he did. He made plots of runs scored per game versus those aforementioned stats (i.e. runs per game vs. AVG, runs per game vs. OBP, and runs per game vs. SLG). He did this for every team in a given season and put it in a graph. And he did this for the previous 124 seasons dating back to 1876, the inaugural year of the National League.

    And he ran regressions on them. Basically, it’s the best fit line on the data. It’s a way to predict one variable (runs per game) from those other variables (AVG, OBP, SLG).

    You want to pick the data set which gives the lowest regression error. The lowest error gives the best fit. Ultimately, he discovered that AVG was the best in only 16 of 124 seasons, while SLG and OBP split the remaining seasons almost equally, 50 and 58 seasons, respectively.

    He also calculated that probability of this happening if AVG, SLG, or OBP were equally effective measures was less than 1 in 5 million.

    I suspect this is why OBP and SLG are often mentioned on the TV.

  170. mick August 30th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    .it’s one thats good enough to win it all if they pitch and everything goes right….
    =======================
    sounds like last years team.

  171. Pat M. August 30th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    blake……The Derek Jeter window is closing….They need to move Curtis and get a few good everyday type younger players…….Maybe there’s a Paul O’Neil for Roberto Kelly deal to be found this December………The real troubleing concern for me is Manny B’s development…..Bentances I always thought was overrated, but the Yanks really need Pineda and Manny B to be ready for the Show next April

  172. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    Who cares what George did? George was nuts. And he was the owner, not the GM. What’s funny is you think you’re making some winning shot with your links.

  173. randy l. August 30th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    “you are waaaay too knowlegeable about baseball to even believe most of the crap you throw at cashman.”

    you understand how some people just can’t stand each other. they rub each other the wrong way.

    cashman is just not my kind of baseball guy. it’s really that simple.

  174. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    please explain how cashman ‘set posada up’ and while you’re at it please explain why posada basically quit on the yankees, and why it was swept under the rug and he was allowed to stay.

    bear in mind that my 2 favorite yankees of the dynasty years were posada and bernie.

  175. blake August 30th, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    “But that is not true. Again, the 2012 ERA is 3.80 – the 2001 Yankees had a 4.02 ERA – – – – -”

    No Rivera….bullpen in shambles….Pettite in question….I’m going on right now with that statement. It may turn out that way….I certainly hope the 2012 takes a lead into the 9th of game 7 like that one did and closes it out this time.

  176. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    YF, yes, kudo to the AAA kids. They’ve had a rough year.

  177. The Return of Stoneburner August 30th, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
    Who cares what George did? George was nuts. And he was the owner, not the GM. What’s funny is you think you’re making some winning shot with your links.

    *****

    You asked who does that – and there was an answer. Now people are complaining about the Dodgers spending like George and how Hal is not George – but yet when you describe Cashman – it is a lot like George. So that is why “who cares” what George did. You opened the door with the Dodger comments and then the trashing former players – - – - Plus this whole board has adopted a nickname for “Team Greedy” which is really “Team George.”

  178. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    i hear ya randy. im in restaurants and there are successful chefs that when i hear their voices, my skin crawls…

    just can’t help it!

  179. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    jmills, Jays-Rays update?

  180. randy l. August 30th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    “the Yanks really need Pineda and Manny B to be ready for the Show next April”

    pat m-

    plan B might be you becoming more of a dodger fan :)

  181. blake August 30th, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    “blake……The Derek Jeter window is closing…”

    if they are serious about this budget stuff (and all indications are that they are) then the young pitching is going to be vital. Manny B has to pan out….Pineda has to get healthy…..they have to either keep Hughes or get Nova straightened out etc.

    I do have concerns that some of the magic that carries the Yanks to the playoffs every year will fade once Jeter is gone……people poo poo intangibles all the time…..but the Yankees in the Jeter era have carried some intangible pedigree that wills them through adversity…..we’ve seen it this year.

  182. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Neither Manny nor Pineda will be ready in April 2013.

  183. The Return of Stoneburner August 30th, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    blake August 30th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
    “But that is not true. Again, the 2012 ERA is 3.80 – the 2001 Yankees had a 4.02 ERA – – – – -”

    No Rivera….bullpen in shambles….Pettite in question….I’m going on right now with that statement. It may turn out that way….I certainly hope the 2012 takes a lead into the 9th of game 7 like that one did and closes it out this time.

    *******

    You make a good point about the pen. But 2012 is not so far out of the ordinary for a team in the historic 1994-present run. And 2001 – the Yankees needed to win a game three ALDS 1-0 to keep hope alive. Even take a look at the 1998 ALDS – those games were tight very early – heck – Rick Helling surprised and frustrated me – - – -

  184. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    I’m not doing your homework for you. Go back and read his comments. Posada said he thought batting ninth – against the Red Sox on national television, no less – came “from above.”

    Jeter he told to “shop it.” He so disrespected Bernie, even the equanimous Rivera was perturbed, and pretended, briefly, to flirt with going to another team.

  185. MTU August 30th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    Pat M.-

    Manny will definitely not be ready to start at the beginning of next season due to this year’s injuries.

    It’s highly unlikely IMO that Pineda will be ready at the start of the season either. His type of injury usually takes a bit longer.

  186. jmills August 30th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    YF – still two nothing Jays bottom of 8

  187. Benny Blanco August 30th, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    If Cashman is such a loser and a weenie, name 5 other gm’s that are better than him.

  188. blake August 30th, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    “But 2012 is not so far out of the ordinary for a team in the historic 1994-present run.”

    I mean they aren’t the Astros…..nobody is saying that…..

  189. Pat M. August 30th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    Tin Cup……..I’ve always been a Donnie Baseball fan !!!!……I’ve been posting this for awhile now, Yanks vs Dodgers come late October !!!!!!

  190. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    if you want to be a ‘yankee for life’ you have to accept that the yankees will make the decision as to when that ‘life’ ends.

    athletes can’t handle that by nature. thus the tough ending to bernie, po and even the tough negotiation with jeter’s last contract.

    if these guys wanted to control their own end, they should have gone someplace else. but in the long run financially, staying with the yankees and letting them put you out to pasture when they decide the time has come is the better move.

    but it’s a hit to the ego for sure.

  191. MTU August 30th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    I’m all for moving Curtis in the right trade provided GGBG is healthy enough to take over in center.

  192. randy l. August 30th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    “i hear ya randy. im in restaurants and there are successful chefs that when i hear their voices, my skin crawls…”

    now we’re getting somewhere :)

  193. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    I still don’t see what an eccentric, overzealous owner has to do with a loose lipped, weasel GM who trashes players in contract years, players he traded, and icons in their final years. Cashman is disrespectful and an amateur, with all his “bold” talk. Keep your mouth shut and run the team.

  194. blake August 30th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    I thought Cashman and the Yankees handled the Jeter contract situation incredibly poorly….and I defend Cashman a lot.

    They used the media to create leverage against a legendary player…..it was a cold and very corporate way to handle something that Jeter asked to be kept private.

  195. Pat M. August 30th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    MTU…..My point is that The Yanks are looking thin come next season !!!!!

  196. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    …and btw, po deserve to be batting 9th at that point. that doesn’t excuse quitting. fortunately, cashman let things settle and cooler heads prevailed on both sides.

    also, if po wanted to sign with someone else last year or this year, he had every right to do that. why didnt he?

  197. MTU August 30th, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    Pat M.-

    CC
    Kuroda/Pettitte
    Hughes
    Nova
    Phelps/Garcia

    Pineda/Warren

    What’s so thin about that ?

    Maybe Manny at the ASB if he really shines ?

  198. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    YsGuy, you think they needed to orchestrate his humiliation?

    You know why they did that, don’tcha? Because they knew he’d blow his stack, they know how emotional and proud he is – they rode that emotion and pride to help them line their own pockets, but here they could use it against him – get him lathered up and upset so he would look like the bad guy.

    They’re thugs. Posada would have said a lot more, but he wanted to end his Yankee career with dignity. They knew that, too.

  199. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    pesonally i expect to see one or two of pineda, banuelos or betances pitching in the yankees rotation next season.

  200. jmills August 30th, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    Casey, run out in the ninth. One ball and two strikes. Swing and and a miss one down!

  201. randy l. August 30th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    pat m-

    i haven’t looked at the dodgers OBP but mattingy was such a free swinger as a player, how does that impact how the dodgers play?

  202. jmills August 30th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    Two down.

  203. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    …and you saying Posada quit on the Yankees is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Posada, a quitter? You missed a great career.

  204. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    thats ridiculous. first off, he deserve to be batting 9th if he even deserve to be in the lineup at that point. second, that wasnt cashman’s call. third, were they supposed to make a different baseball decision based on posada’s temperament?

    ridiculous.

  205. jmills August 30th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    Ball game !!!

  206. Pat M. August 30th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    MTU…….As of right, Pettite, Kuroda and hopefully there’ll be no need for Garcia are not on the 2013 club……..Rivera at 15 million will not be either……..This is the last real shot for the Yanks as we know them

  207. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    did posada refuse to play or not?

  208. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    …interestingly, not a single player said Posada “quit” on the team. They all had his back, and Jeter said he had “nothing to apologize for.” The players knew the score.

  209. Tar August 30th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    I really think Cashman was trying to get Posada to quit, humiliating him was the tactic. Ironic that Po was the best bat of that post season.

  210. MTU August 30th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    I respect your predictions Pat but this is one time I hope you’re being a bit too pessimistic.

    ;)

  211. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    thats not what i asked. did posada refuse to play that night?

  212. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    YsGuy, you know what, Posada was not going to be that Yankee leader we all revered and play the company boy when he knew he was being jerked around. Posada telling them to bleep off was just how he should have responded. You can’t have it both ways: either kiss ass or leader.

  213. Pat M. August 30th, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    MTU……So do I, but this day has been on the horizon for some time now

  214. bruceb August 30th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Good to see the Jays can beat someone other than the Yanks. Lord knows when the Indians next win is coming though!

  215. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    again the lineup is absolutely NOT the gm’s call. secondly if he wanted posada off the team, posada gave him the perfect opportunity to do it. but he didnt do it, did he?

    you’re trying to blame cashman for giradi’s baseball decision and jorge’s terrible reaction to it.

    fortunately, cashman and girardi are calm enough that they didnt do anything in the heat of the moment and it all worked out well.

  216. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Tar August 30th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    I really think Cashman was trying to get Posada to quit, humiliating him was the tactic. Ironic that Po was the best bat of that post season.
    ///

    You say right, sir.

  217. jmills August 30th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    Brandon Morrow upon the mound tomorrow,… Hee hee.

  218. Tar August 30th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    “you’re trying to blame cashman for giradi’s baseball decision and jorge’s terrible reaction to it.”

    Sorry Y this is naive.

  219. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    Because they saw the backlash from the fans. Like the players, the fans knew the score, which is why when he came back, he got a standing ovation. They knew he was being d*cked around by corporate lowlifes and they let him know that they knew a real Yankee from a fraud. They let him know, the real fans let him know, that is. If he was a “quitter” as you say, the whole stadium would have booed him, not honored him with heartfelt ovations, over and over again.

  220. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    dude, there is just NO EXCUSE for refusing to play because you didnt like your spot in the lineup. NONE!

    and what’s worse is that he DESERVED to be batting 9th if he was even in the order.

    i love jorge and i let it pass, but he was dead wrong.

  221. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    i was a fan of jorge’s since i saw him play aa ball in colonie. LOVE the guy.

    he was DEAD WRONG!

  222. jmills August 30th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    From my distance, Posada was an integral potion.

  223. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    jmills, good job!:)

  224. austinmac August 30th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    I think the Yankees are becoming very corporate. It’s bottom line baseball. They forget the fans can come and go. I remember attendance under a million.

  225. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    i was a fan of bernie’s since i also saw him play aa ball in colonie.

    he didnt deserve the last contract they gave him. he certainly didnt deserve one the following season.

    LOVE the guy.

    watching him try to play for puerto rico in the WBC was painful! he was so far beyond done.

    it was like watching willie mays try to play for the mets in ’73. painfull!

  226. Tar August 30th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    “i love jorge and i let it pass, but he was dead wrong.”

    Jorge was wrong, but Cashman was completely innocent?

    I agree, Jorge did not handle it as well as he should have. But it doesn’t absolve Cashman.

    If someone spits in your face, you shouldn’t be to surprised if they smack you back.

  227. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    nys (i refuse to call it what others call it because it’s so NOT) is the most corporate ballpark with the most corporate fans on the planet.

    and you want to complain that management is corporate?

  228. jmills August 30th, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    YF – I do hope the Jays appreciate my contribution :)

  229. Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    when did cashman start filling out the lineup? do you think joe g just let cashman dictate the lineup to him? i don’t believe that.

  230. Bo knows August 30th, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
    i was a fan of bernie’s since i also saw him play aa ball in colonie.

    he didnt deserve the last contract they gave him. he certainly didnt deserve one the following season.

    LOVE the guy.

    watching him try to play for puerto rico in the WBC was painful! he was so far beyond done.

    it was like watching willie mays try to play for the mets in ’73. painfull!

    ————————————-

    Some quality posting sir – Thank you

  231. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    Nah, I was rooting for Posada to tell them to stick it. Would have been disappointed if he sucked that up. Go Po!

  232. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Yanks have become very corporate. I remember how upset Jorge was about Cashman talking about the in-house stuff to the media in the middle of the game. Posada said something like that’s how Cashman “works now.” Definitely a much more corporate us and them quality to the relationship. Similar to the Jeter comments during negotiations.

  233. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    You pay attention to this stuff? Posada said it “came from above” and he didn’t mean God or Steinbrenner.

  234. Tar August 30th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    “when did cashman start filling out the lineup? do you think joe g just let cashman dictate the lineup to him? ”

    Why is a conversation between a GM and a manger about moving a player with Jorge’s stature down to the 9 hole, right before a nationally televised game against the Red Sox, so hard to believe?

    I respect your opinion, and appreciate your feelings about Jorge, but we just disagree on who was and what the motive was behind all of it.

  235. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    Mike Ashmore ?@mashmore98
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  236. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    If someone spits in your face, you shouldn’t be to surprised if they smack you back.
    ///

    Spit in his face? More like stabbed in his back. That’s how weasels operate.

  237. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    Thing is too that they moved Posada down on May 14th. We are not talking about Posada sucking at DH late in the year and being moved down. He was still learning the position, so to speak. That shows a lack of respect.

  238. yankeefeminista August 30th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    :arrow:

  239. J. Alfred Prufrock August 30th, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Ys Guy August 30th, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    when did cashman start filling out the lineup? do you think joe g just let cashman dictate the lineup to him? i don’t believe that.
    ///

    Take it up with Posada. He said it came from above. But, he’s always been a smart guy.

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