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Pitching matchups vs. Orioles

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 31, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Tonight
RHP Hiroki Kuroda (12-9, 2.98)
vs.
RHP Miguel Gonzalez (5-3, 3.66)
7:05 p.m., YES Network and MLB Network

Saturday
RHP Freddy Garcia (7-5, 4.90)
vs.
LHP Wei-Yen Chen (12-7, 3.78)
1:05 p.m., YES Network

Sunday
RHP David Phelps (3-4, 2.96)
vs.
RHP Chris Tillman (7-2, 3.26 ERA)
1:05 p.m., YES Network and TBS

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303 Responses to “Pitching matchups vs. Orioles”

  1. blake August 31st, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    If the Socks don’t want Lester than we’ll take him.

  2. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 31st, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    repost:

    I agree that the offense needs to be present. But no matter how present the offense is, if the pitching doesn’t hold up, it’s over.

    These stats have been the same over the course of the season. The particular teams may have switched around, but the placements tell the tale.

    Top 10 teams in terms of offense, and their placement within their divisions:

    1
    4 – GB = 14
    2 – GB = 8.5
    1
    3 – GB = 8.5
    5 – GB = 17
    1
    4 – GB = 17
    2 – GB = 5.5
    5 – GB = 16

    ******************

    Top 10 teams in terms of pitching, and their placement within their divisions:

    3 – GB = 4.5
    1
    2 – GB = 4
    1
    2 – GB = 4.5
    2 – GB = 5.5
    1
    3 -GB = 9
    5 – GB = 14
    2- GB = 8.5

  3. blake August 31st, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    I like the match ups for games 1 and 3. Game 2 is a bad one for the Yanks offense but maybe they can scratch a couple across and maybe Freddy can junk the aggressive O’s to death……2 of 3 would really be nice.

  4. DONNYBROOK August 31st, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    Showalter Kenobi doing his “Jedi mind trick” with the Sunday TBA. If necessary, the guy will even pull a rabbitt outta his hat to win a game. Never disappoints.

  5. Ys Guy August 31st, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    i hate that tba guy. you never know what he’s gonna throw at you….

  6. DONNYBROOK August 31st, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    I’ll take a “bad matchup” vs Chen. Chen can shut a team down. I like our better SP’s vs weaker O SP’s. Percentage play.

  7. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 31st, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    Donnybrook – and he has some new rabbits to pull out of that hat of his. O’s have really gone all out. Credit to the organization and to Duquette. Did someone tie up Angelos and lock him in a closet?

  8. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 31st, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    One thing I believe the O’s have that the Yankees don’t currently have – swagger. Not a bad addition to any team.

  9. Ys Guy August 31st, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    if it’s the O’s you know some of the yankees are gonna get beaned…’

    thats part of their ‘class’

  10. JobaTipsHisCap August 31st, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    agree with blake, take Lester.

    go Yankees from Vancouver!

  11. Tyler August 31st, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    Have to take at least 2 of 3 here. Get the train moving in the right direction.

  12. blake August 31st, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    o how amazing a season is this for the great Derek Jeter? Well, there’s never been a season like it, if that’s any indication. All he has to do now is finish it off in September. Which has always been the best month of his career (.862 September OPS). Want to doubt him? Feel free. But we wouldn’t recommend it.

    http://m.espn.go.com/mlb/story?storyId=8318895

    Good stuff from Stark…who remains one of the only guys worth reading at espn

  13. Hassey August 31st, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    half expected to see Scott McGregor up against Ron Guidry

  14. luis August 31st, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    Hello guys,

    Mac,

    Read a post you made in the previous thread… The only bat we had above A ball was Montero… There wasn’t anyone ready to take the leap at the start of the season… Having said that, there are a couple of bats I am curious to see when rosters expand ( Adams, Mustelier and Joseph ).

    It is amazing how they misread their needs in the OS. We had/have an aging offense. We needed some youth on that lineup. At least they didn’t overpaid for a bat at the trade deadline, but they will on the winter. It is clearly an area of need.

  15. DONNYBROOK August 31st, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    Jeet with more HR’s than Mauer. Mauer would look good in pinstripes, but so would Scarlett Johansson. Doesn’t necessarily translate to on field performance.

  16. Hassey August 31st, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    I have a feeling Scarlett Johansson would perform just fine, if not no one would notice anyway

  17. mick August 31st, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    TBA is Buck playing games with us.
    It’s Tillman’s turn coming off a one-hitter but he will likely throw a lefty Wolf against us.
    Sly as a fox that Buck.

  18. blake August 31st, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    #Mariners trade waivers update: Kevin Millwood cleared; Jason Vargas and Felix Hernandez claimed. @MLBONFOX — Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi)

  19. Ys Guy August 31st, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    bucky showalter is going to be in wfan . i think he said at 3:40

  20. Jerkface August 31st, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Joe mauer is hitting .312 .406 .431 .836 , how is that not on field performance?

  21. Ys Guy August 31st, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    i heard buck decided to try doing things the ‘ripken way’. so he booked 25 rooms in separate hotels and hailed 25 separate cabs!

  22. Jerkface August 31st, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Mauer would have the highest OBP on the team by a long shot.

  23. mick August 31st, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    At least they didn’t overpaid for a bat at the trade deadline, but they will on the winter. It is clearly an area of need.
    =================
    Glad you think so…..ain’t happnin’

  24. mick August 31st, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    We needed some youth on that lineup.
    ================
    Youth for the sake of youth?
    Montero was not the answer.
    Now Cespedes, maybe…

  25. blake August 31st, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    Mauer would be awesome….but unless the Yanks will take his whole contract its not happening ……he sure would look good in that 2 hole though

  26. Jerkface August 31st, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    I’d leave Swish in the 2 hole, he is really responding there, and bat Mauer third. He has an OBP of .400 vs lefties and righties.

    He’d get a huge bump from moving to a more hitter friendly stadium as well, especially as a lefty. If the Twins absorbed some of the contract I’d trade for him.

  27. blake August 31st, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    “I’d leave Swish in the 2 hole, he is really responding there, and bat Mauer third. He has an OBP of .400 vs lefties and righties.”

    whatever….lets just say he’d look a billion times better than Martin.

  28. blake August 31st, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    “He’d get a huge bump from moving to a more hitter friendly stadium as well, especially as a lefty. If the Twins absorbed some of the contract I’d trade for him.”

    I wrote yesterday that if the Twins would make his AAV closer to 15 million (they’d have to eat about 50 of the remaining) then I would trade for him and it would be almost like adding a prime aged Jeter to the lineup (little more OBP and a little less speed).

  29. luis August 31st, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    Mick,

    I am not getting in that debate. But we don’t have a single bat in the upper levels. The offense is clearly an area of need. Put whatever name you want, we still need some young players on that lineup.

    But in any case, he would have been a clear upgrade to our catching tandem. But that wouldn’t be enough.
    About Cespedes, yeah he could have been had in the OS. And it would have been a nice addition to the team. Cashman is either blind or he has his hands tied up by ownership.

    About not happening, I don’t think they are signing any FA, but they sure will look to trade for a bat. And they will overpay for that bat, not as much as in the TD, but they will.

  30. Warning Track Power August 31st, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    Here we go. 3 game series vs O’s begins tonight.

    Who here is nervous?
    Not me.

    Curious to learn who is broadcasting the game along with Kay this weekend.
    Personally, I can go without having to hear Kenny Singleton and his boring O’s stories
    this weekend. I now think he is the worst of the group that broadcasts the games on
    Yes.

  31. DONNYBROOK August 31st, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    I would love for Showalter to run Wolf out there Sun. I just do Not see Buck opening himself up to getting absolutely crucified when Wolf got pounded in a Very important game.

  32. blake August 31st, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Twitter + an election is going to = a dumber world.

  33. ron August 31st, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    The yankees are +96 in run differential,the orioles -44.
    I know the orioles are winning,but it is their bullpen,and a ton of luck,plus a good manager,wich might be enough,but their rd is ugly.

  34. Warning Track Power August 31st, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Donny-
    What is the backstory regarding Wolf? I heard something about Wolf on ESPN the other night, but missed the entire comment about the O’s and Wolf possibly pitching.

  35. mick August 31st, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    they sure will look to trade for a bat. And they will overpay for that bat, not as much as in the TD, but they will.
    ==================
    They might not look at it that way. They might think their HOF IF is enough to carry them + Grandy, Gardy and some combo platter of Hunter/Hairston/Ichiro in RF.

    Cheap FA is still the way to go as teams are looking to bilk us.

  36. 86w183 August 31st, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    Please no Ichiro in 2013. No Jones or Ibanez either.

  37. mick August 31st, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    Yanks score a lot of runs so the run diff is higher. Balt wins 2-1. Not so hard to figure out…

  38. mick August 31st, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    I can see a Ichiro/Hunter platoon in ’13.

  39. mick August 31st, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    Jones will go to Bost.
    Ibanez strictly for a lefty DH bat.
    Hairston to b/up everyone.

  40. austinmac August 31st, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    Blake,

    What do you know about Elon University? My son interviewed for a job there.

  41. 86w183 August 31st, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    “I can see a Ichiro/Hunter platoon in ’13.”

    ********************************

    Please clean off your glasses ASAP!

    Some day the Yankees MUST get younger and more athletic and to me, 2013 is as good a time as any.

  42. austinmac August 31st, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    Mick,

    Hunter has played awfully well to agree to be a platoon player. I don’t see it. Perhaps, as a full time player, but then, their is the fact he would want to get paid.

    Ichiro has something like a .740 OPS since joining the team with 4SBs and 3 CSs. That, to me, doesn’t translate(no pun intended)into a corner outfielder.

  43. blake August 31st, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    “What do you know about Elon University? My son interviewed for a job there.”

    just a little….good academic reputation far as I know….or it used to have. Used to have a good baseball team too

  44. austinmac August 31st, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    Younger and more athletic. Thank you. Well said.

  45. mick August 31st, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    They won’t get younger in their HOF IF.
    2/3′s of the OF looks set.
    Maybe on the mound with Nova Hughes and Phelps…

  46. blake August 31st, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    Can’t see Hunter agreeing to be on the small end of a platoon…..I could see either Hunter or Ichiro as stop gap alone though.

  47. luis August 31st, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    Yup…. Sure you can count on the likes of Arod, Tex to have monster season from here on out… Let’s face it, the are declining before our eyes… Their production is down and they are sustaining injuries typical of an aging player. I wouldn’t count on either of those players to anchor the offense.

    You only have Cano…if you sign your cheap FA (granted they may choose to go that rout), you will be only getting older, which in turn will only compound the problem even more.

  48. blake August 31st, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    I will accept Ichiro or Hunter in RF so long as Justin Upton is in LF.

  49. austinmac August 31st, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Blake,

    I’m glad you have your priorities straight knowing about the baseball team. Thanks for the info.

  50. mick August 31st, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    Perhaps, as a full time player, but then, their is the fact he would want to get paid.
    ===============
    Mac
    You know it’s all relative.
    If nobody offers Hunter big money, our offer might just be the best.
    He might have to take it and swallow his pride and do what he’s told.

  51. mick August 31st, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    Gardner will be in LF.

  52. blake August 31st, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    “Gardner will be in LF.”

    or CF….

  53. jacksquat August 31st, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    Arod out because of hbp, not age related.

    Tex may or may not be age related.

  54. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    ““Gardner will be in LF.

    or CF….”

    or DL…

  55. mick August 31st, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    Their production is down and they are sustaining injuries typical of an aging player.
    ==================
    Arod had his hand broken on a pitch.

  56. austinmac August 31st, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    Luis,

    I greatly fear and really anticipate the Yankees will go old and platoon in Swisher’s place. I expect Ichiro and a player far below Hunter in right. They are likely intent on letting Swisher go. While he has his shortcomings, he has been the third best hitter this year.

  57. mick August 31st, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    better get used to our HOF IF as they aren’t going anywhere soon…

  58. mick August 31st, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    Hal would jump for joy with an Ichiro/Scott Hairston low budget RF platoon.

  59. luis August 31st, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    Sure…what about the hip? Or the knee??.. Tex is getting hurt with an alarming frequency for his age.

    In any case, are you willing to bet that either Arod or Tex will have a monster season any time soon?

    FTR I am a big Arod fan

  60. 86w183 August 31st, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Hairston/Dickerson would be better and cheaper.

  61. mick August 31st, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    Dickerson is too busy tweeting.

  62. blake August 31st, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    “or DL…”

    unfortunately this is probably most likely….

  63. luis August 31st, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    Mac,

    I agree, if they can’t find a young bat on the trade market at a reasonable cost, they will go the vet way.

  64. mick August 31st, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    Tex routinely puts up 30/300 and is the best fielder in the game.

  65. mick August 31st, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    make that 30/100

  66. blake August 31st, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    “I greatly fear and really anticipate the Yankees will go old and platoon in Swisher’s place. ”

    I know they probably will…..but after watching this season I don’t see how they can do that…..Swisher means more to this offense than it would seem…..without him this year it would have have Jeter, Cano, and then name that platoon player.

  67. Jerkface August 31st, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    Thats not a monster season.

  68. Jerkface August 31st, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    This is a monster season: .308 .410 .552 .962

    This is an Adam LaRoche season: .255 .335 .478 .813

  69. mick August 31st, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    They would give Swish one year no more….2014 is Hal-owed ground.

  70. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 31st, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    I wouldn’t touch Lester with a ten-foot pole. Recalcitrant club house punk.

    ************

    Okay, now correct me if I’m wrong. At the beginning of this season we had under contract 1B, SS, 2B, 3B, RF, CF, LF, C. And people sound of mind will at least understand, the need for a revolving DH. We had an organization that felt it had no place for an offensive catcher lacking in defensive skills (their opinion). Wedge has said that Montero is not ready to be an every-day catcher and is still learning. The Yankees don’t use their starting catcher position as a training ground.

    I don’t know how much difference a 257 hitter was going to make for the Yankees, even if they had a place for him. (Nobody knows what he would have hit in the Bronx, I realize that. But he wouldn’t be getting much plate time as a BUC, that’s for sure.)

    That ship sailed a long time ago.

    By the way, there are ways to garner a “young” bat other than bringing it up through the organization.

    I myself believe it’s ludicrous to think that minds on lohud have thought of things that an established baseball organization have not.

    I’m guessing they have this a lot more under control than some of the more skeptical posters here believe they do.

    Since we won’t know until we know, no need to mourn something that isn’t dead. By all means, have your suits ready. But live in the meantime!

  71. Jerkface August 31st, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    The Yankees don’t use their starting catcher position as a training ground.

    He would have been the backup catcher. Backup catcher+DH is enough PA for him.

  72. Jerkface August 31st, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Any argument that begins to suggest they could not find a place for Montero is completely illogical.

  73. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 31st, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    He wouldn’t have gotten enough time at DH. We both know that. Like it or not, revolving DH has been a savior for the Yanks.

  74. Ys Guy August 31st, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    loooooong way to go before they tackle any of those ‘next year’ issues.

    there’s a championship to seize first.

  75. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 31st, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    “Any argument that begins to suggest they could not find a place for Montero is completely illogical.”

    Anyone who begins to suggest that they could have created a special spot for Montero is completely illogical.

  76. mick August 31st, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    there’s a championship to seize first.
    ======================
    and they won’t win it w/out Tex and Arod, altho some think they are washed up.

  77. Jerkface August 31st, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    He wouldn’t have gotten enough time at DH. We both know that. Like it or not, revolving DH has been a savior for the Yanks.

    A. You don’t know that.
    B. I don’t see how it has been a savior, since their revolving DH plan went to hell (as any poorly implemented revolving DH plan does) and they are now playing platoon players full time.
    C. If there is a revolving DH, of course Montero could get enough time there! If they suffered the same injuries the DH would be wide open for Montero.

  78. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 31st, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    “loooooong way to go before they tackle any of those ‘next year’ issues.

    there’s a championship to seize first.”

    Ys Guy – I think it boils down to personality and outlook. Betsy readily admitted she was a constant worrier. There are people who have a much easier time living for today than do others. I’m sure both sides drive the other crazy.

    :)

  79. Ys Guy August 31st, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    then its a good thing we’ll have tex and arod back soon.

  80. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    Montero wouldn’t have helped as much as many thought, but the sad fact remains that Pineda didn’t help at all.

  81. Jerkface August 31st, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    Anyone who begins to suggest that they could have created a special spot for Montero is completely illogical.

    You don’t have to create a special spot! Why do you think they would have to?
    Chris Stewart’s 40 games at BUC + DH = enough games.

  82. Jerkface August 31st, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Montero wouldn’t have helped as much as many thought, but the sad fact remains that Pineda didn’t help at all.

    .311 .340 .468 .809 road hitter and .324 .372 .507 .879 vs lefties. That is useful.

  83. mick August 31st, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    what would jeter and arod do w/out the DH?
    so far they have been durable because of it.
    unless you want to take the ML hit leader out of the games he was to DH.
    the prodigy would have dh’d against leftys and his catching would have left a lot to desire.
    same old song…

  84. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 31st, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    The rub is that at the beginning of the season, nobody knew what injuries would be suffered. So for the Yankees the DH position is ideally to give guys a rest from the field, and to insert bench players when they want to give them days off altogether. Girardi has effectively used the DH to keep guys as fresh as he can, especially older players who are still contract-heavy.

  85. Jerkface August 31st, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    what would jeter and arod do w/out the DH?
    so far they have been durable because of it.

    Jeter can still have his DH and A-rod is injured so how durable was he? And there are like 152 DH games, so plenty to go around.

  86. Jerkface August 31st, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    The rub is that at the beginning of the season, nobody knew what injuries would be suffered. So for the Yankees the DH position is ideally to give guys a rest from the field, and to insert bench players when they want to give them days off altogether.

    This rub does not mean Montero could not get PAs at DH. They still had, at the beginning of the season, 2 players that were SUPPOSED to get the majority of the time at DH. Injuries changed their implementation of it.

  87. DONNYBROOK August 31st, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    - Mick -
    Agree with your high regard for TEX. Here, we got posters ragging TEX, and parading the seldom seen Mauer around like a poster boy. Mauer is now a 1B\C and his numbers pale when stood up next to TEX’s. Then saying that Mauer was the equal of Jeet, took the cake. Absolutely ridiculous.

  88. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    “.311 .340 .468 .809 road hitter and .324 .372 .507 .879 vs lefties. That is useful.”

    Useful but not massively useful. Cashman had the right idea, but it didn’t work out.

  89. Jerkface August 31st, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Jeter DH’s 2 to 3 times per month. That is not occupying the DH enough to interfere with getting PA’s for a good young hitter.

  90. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 31st, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    They didn’t believe in Montero’s catching ability, even as BUC. The Mariners go with Jaso much of the time. It is what it is. It’s the Yankees call to have the kind of player they want playing any particular position. That fans don’t agree is of little moment.

    And even if they did value Montero’s catching ability, I still don’t think there would have been enough of a DH role for him to make it worth his while.

  91. Jerkface August 31st, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    Useful but not massively useful.

    Those numbers would be some of the highest on the team.

  92. mick August 31st, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    A-rod is injured so how durable was he?
    ==================
    as you like to say-Boom Roasted-you fell for that one didn’t you?
    what does getting HBP have to do with being durable?
    you just love to argue-anything-don’t you?

  93. Ys Guy August 31st, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    yeah, we’re just dying for a dh with a lower obp than russel martin….

  94. Jerkface August 31st, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    Mauer is now a 1B\C and his numbers pale when stood up next to TEX’s.

    .312 .406 .431 .836 in 122 games
    vs
    .255 .335 .478 .813 in 119 games

    Who is paling what?

  95. Jerkface August 31st, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    yeah, we’re just dying for a dh with a lower obp than russel martin….

    Wouldn’t be lower in Yankee Stadium

  96. Jerkface August 31st, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    as you like to say-Boom Roasted-you fell for that one didn’t you?
    what does getting HBP have to do with being durable?
    you just love to argue-anything-don’t you?

    He is injured, thus not durable. And even with Jeter and A-rod’s turns at DH you still have 120 games of DH to fill out. Troll on!

  97. ac1 August 31st, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    A-Rod should just DH full time next year and we find a new 3B.

  98. Jerkface August 31st, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    A-Rod should just DH full time next year and we find a new 3B.

    They could have traded for Chase Headley!

  99. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    “Those numbers would be some of the highest on the team.”

    Not as a DH. Take a look at this link:

    http://www.baseball-reference......;year=2012

    I think vs lefties the DH numbers were probably pretty high.

  100. ac1 August 31st, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    He is injured, thus not durable. And even with Jeter and A-rod’s turns at DH you still have 120 games of DH to fill out. Troll on!
    ____

    In his defense, he was hit by a pitch which broke his wrist.
    That has nothing to do with durability (though his is in question anyways), but not because he got beaned…

    If he wore down, or injured himself running or something, that is different.

    You cannot punish the guy because Felix hit him with a pitch.

  101. Jerkface August 31st, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    As an individual player.

  102. mick August 31st, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    - Mick -
    Agree with your high regard for TEX. Here, we got posters ragging TEX, and parading the seldom seen Mauer around like a poster boy.
    =============
    Donny-
    Just part of the rhetoric they drag around bashing the Yanks as they are the know-it-all 2nd guessers that couldn’t win a fantasy baseball league division.

  103. theREALkevin August 31st, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    Yanks will regret shipping Montero out. Trade was about next 5 years not 1 year. They will regret it. Especially if Pineda is never the same and there is a strong chance of that.

  104. Jerkface August 31st, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    In his defense, he was hit by a pitch which broke his wrist.

    If players got DLed every time they got HPB the Yankees would have no one playing. It is a durability issue.

  105. DONNYBROOK August 31st, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    - Jerky -
    Stay away from the numbers, your embarassing yourself. In his ENTIRE career, Mauer has 2 double digit HR seasons, and has NEVER knocked in 100. I’ll let you research TEX’s numbers on your own. Kinda embarassing when a Numbers Guy get hoisted on his…………well, you get the idea.

  106. mick August 31st, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    He is injured, thus not durable. And even with Jeter and A-rod’s turns at DH you still have 120 games of DH to fill out. Troll on!
    =======================
    What you just postulated is the definition of a troll.

  107. Jerkface August 31st, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    Donny,

    Mauer has played more games than tex with a higher OBP in a worse stadium with a worse lineup. Stick your yokel cliches.

  108. ac1 August 31st, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    If players got DLed every time they got HPB the Yankees would have no one playing. It is a durability issue.

    ________________

    He was hit in the hand. Its not like he took it off the fat part of the arm.

  109. Jerkface August 31st, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    Higher OPS too! Higher batting average.

  110. blake August 31st, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    Considering what Jones has done vs LHP and how badly they are struggling in that area now…..Montero would help this lineup a lot even if he was strictly platooned.

  111. mick August 31st, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    If players got DLed every time they got HPB the Yankees would have no one playing.
    =======================
    You couldn’t even use your keyboard with a broken bone in your hand.

  112. blake August 31st, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    to be fair though when they traded Montero…the offense vs LHP was a strength……I still can’t believe how the coin has flipped on that.

  113. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    “As an individual player.”

    But, JF, he would have played as a DH. You can say he should have been the back-up catcher, but he probably wouldn’t have been. And his DH opportunities would have been limited. And when he had the mid-season slump, the Yanks probably would have sent him down.

    It just wasn’t going to happen here.

  114. ac1 August 31st, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    the Mauer v Tex thing has too many variables.
    Yes Tex plays in a hitters ball park, but the smaller park means less balls fall in.
    The OF in Minny is huge.
    Plenty of places to drop singles and doubles in.

    Tex’s average would go up in Minny and Mauer’s HR totals would go up in NY.

  115. Against All Odds August 31st, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    theREALkevin August 31st, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    Yanks will regret shipping Montero out. Trade was about next 5 years not 1 year.

    ————————-

    It wouldn’t have been that big of a loss if the had more ML ready hitters on the farm. But that falls on Cashman

  116. Jerkface August 31st, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    But, JF, he would have played as a DH. You can say he should have been the back-up catcher, but he probably wouldn’t have been. And his DH opportunities would have been limited. And when he had the mid-season slump, the Yanks probably would have sent him down.

    If he played his road stats at NYS he would not have been in a slump. Can’t consider what he is doing in safeco as guaranteed to happen in the Bronx. And Montero’s option availability is a plus not a minus.

  117. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 31st, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    “Yanks will regret shipping Montero out. Trade was about next 5 years not 1 year. They will regret it. Especially if Pineda is never the same and there is a strong chance of that.”

    Kev – if they didn’t value his catching ability and there was no strong DH role for him, that was not going to change. So he either would have had to spend another year in AAA, with the hope of honing his catching skills to their liking – and you probably wouldn’t see that since they had Romine and eventually Sanchez in the wings – and there is no role for a permanent DH in site with the contracts they have sitting there and the way DH is managed.

    I do believe that Pineda will come back to pitch and I believe we’ll see him in 2013. But even if that does not happen, there was still no place for Montero on the Yankees, according to the Yankees plan. You just have to live with that. He was probably going to be trade bait no matter what.

  118. ac1 August 31st, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    It wouldn’t have been that big of a loss if the had more ML ready hitters on the farm. But that falls on Cashman
    ___

    They don’t bring hitters through the system fast enough IMO.
    Some of it is injury but not all….
    I truly believe if Trout played for the Yankees, he would still be in AA.

  119. Against All Odds August 31st, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    ac1 August 31st, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    It wouldn’t have been that big of a loss if the had more ML ready hitters on the farm. But that falls on Cashman
    ___

    They don’t bring hitters through the system fast enough IMO.
    Some of it is injury but not all….
    I truly believe if Trout played for the Yankees, he would still be in AA.

    ————-

    In AA or traded. Trout probably would have been in a package for a starter. Yrs ago Cashman stated the plan was to develop pitching/buy hitters

  120. Jerkface August 31st, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    the Mauer v Tex thing has too many variables.
    Yes Tex plays in a hitters ball park, but the smaller park means less balls fall in.
    The OF in Minny is huge.
    Plenty of places to drop singles and doubles in.

    Tex’s average would go up in Minny and Mauer’s HR totals would go up in NY.

    I don’t think Tex’s average would really go up. He would still get eaten up by the shift and he doesn’t hit the kind of flyballs that would be likely to go for doubles. He hits towering shots that would die at the warning track in Target. And he would hit his fair share of HRs there as well.

    Mauer hits .300 with the shift, Tex cannot.

  121. ac1 August 31st, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    In AA or traded. Trout probably would have been in a package for a starter. Yrs ago Cashman stated the plan was to develop pitching/buy hitters

    ____

    This won’t work anymore.

    I say we take every prospect that has shown they can hit in A ball and get them to AA to start 2013. If they show they can hit there, move them to AAA by June/July. Have them ready for us in 2014….

    That’s Gary Sanchez, Mason Williams, Tyler Austin. I would also see if there is a future on this team for CoJo and David Adams (especially with Adams learning 3B now)….

  122. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    “If he played his road stats at NYS he would not have been in a slump. Can’t consider what he is doing in safeco as guaranteed to happen in the Bronx. And Montero’s option availability is a plus not a minus.”

    As of today his road OPS is .809, which is much lower than it was and makes you wonder if it was a bit of an illusion. And Montero in the minors wouldn’t be a plus in 2012, although I guess he would have been a bigger plus than Pineda if it turns out Pineda can’t be fixed.

    Still, I think events have indicated that the Montero-Pineda brouhaha is one of the biggest Lohud comment section non-stories of all time.

  123. Duh Innings II August 31st, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    The Yankees absolutely, positively have to sweep the Orioles this weekend for a six-game lead.

    A four-game lead is not enough. Two games up or tied for the division is unacceptable.

    This offseason:

    A-Rod, Hughes, Nova, Chamberlain, and Ramiro Pena to Seattle for King Felix and Brendan Ryan. Seattle could have a 4/5ths all-Yankees prospect rotation if they start Chamberlain along with Hughes, Nova, and Noesi.

    The 2013 Yankees rotation after King Felix and CC could be Kuroda and Pettitte re-signed for 2013 only and either Phelps or a re-signed on the cheap Garcia with Pineda a work in progress and Warren further developing for four options in the fifth starter slot and an eight-deep rotation.

  124. mick August 31st, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Someone in the org saw thru Montero and knew ML pitchers would figure out his weaknesses.
    They also might have seen that he doesn’t work hard enough to overcome these deficiencies for whatever reasons he might have, maybe he always dominated at lower levels, but his weaknesses were exposed at the minor league level and it was duly noted.

    Knowing this, why wouldn’t they trade him at the first chance they had as he would only be exposed , as he has been this year, and his value plummets.

  125. DONNYBROOK August 31st, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    - Jerky -
    So now your gonna Try and make Mauer some kinda table setter with the OBP??? Again, give up the numbers. Your NO good at it.

  126. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 31st, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    “Still, I think events have indicated that the Montero-Pineda brouhaha is one of the biggest Lohud comment section non-stories of all time.”

    :)

    You cannot imagine how grateful I am for that. I bet others are also. We’ve been pummeled with it, despite it being a non-story. Can you imagine what it would be like if Montero were a candidate for ROY???

  127. Against All Odds August 31st, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    ac1 August 31st, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    In AA or traded. Trout probably would have been in a package for a starter. Yrs ago Cashman stated the plan was to develop pitching/buy hitters

    ____

    This won’t work anymore.

    I say we take every prospect that has shown they can hit in A ball and get them to AA to start 2013. If they show they can hit there, move them to AAA by June/July. Have them ready for us in 2014….

    That’s Gary Sanchez, Mason Williams, Tyler Austin. I would also see if there is a future on this team for CoJo and David Adams (especially with Adams learning 3B now)….

    —————————–

    They could make that move but most likely won’t. It would be an aggressive approach.

  128. mick August 31st, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Can you imagine what it would be like if Montero were a candidate for ROY???
    ========================
    Then they would have been right.
    You see how quiet the 2 of them have become.
    They are blog non-entities, but before the myth was exposed they were in their glory.
    One got lucky with Pineda but it was only luck.
    The other is an angry , indignant pompous know it all who likes to wax poetic, just look at his moniker.

  129. Jerkface August 31st, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    So now your gonna Try and make Mauer some kinda table setter with the OBP???

    No? He gets on base like crazy and hits .300. In NYS he would hit for more power. The only area where Tex has him on is brute power, but that isn’t everything in the MLB. Mauer is hitting .354 .472 .480 .952 with RISP this year. Put him third on the Yankees and he would have 100+ RBI by now.

    That you don’t understand numbers is not my problem.

  130. ac1 August 31st, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    For the 10MILLIONTH time, Seattle isnt trading Felix (and why exactly would ARod agree to a trade to the Mariners?) And you want to trade Hughes AND Nova? Yikes!

  131. Jerkface August 31st, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    OBP, any way it is achieved, is King in MLB. A team with a 1 OBP will beat a team with a 1 SLG every time.

  132. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    What’s all this Mauer talk? He’s no more likely to be a Yankee than Jerkface is.

  133. mick August 31st, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    That’s Gary Sanchez, Mason Williams, Tyler Austin. I would also see if there is a future on this team for CoJo and David Adams (especially with Adams learning 3B now)….
    =================
    No, they don’t count, as they are not here now.
    We have no up and coming YOUTH in our system as they are 2-3 years away.
    No credit to mgmnt as they are planning , with a budget, for the future.
    They want it today…get younger TODAY.

  134. Hassey August 31st, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    I don’t think you can compare either of these teams to their 1980 season predecessors, but the race for the 1980 AL East crown played out in a similar way…and we pulled away in Sept.

  135. UnKnown August 31st, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Time to go Bird Hunting this weekend.

  136. mick August 31st, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Unlike a Jerkface, who will argue anything, these 2 ringleaders get joy in riling ppl up and more joy in walking away when the going gets tough.
    They don’t even show up anymore, it’s gotten to that, as they have been exposed.
    With that , their followers have wilted away, no concern shown by their leaders.
    That’s what happens when a generational bat is degenerate.

  137. Wave Your Hat August 31st, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    trisha-

    Glad to be of help! :)

  138. ac1 August 31st, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    No, they don’t count, as they are not here now.
    We have no up and coming YOUTH in our system as they are 2-3 years away.
    No credit to mgmnt as they are planning , with a budget, for the future.
    They want it today…get younger TODAY
    ___

    The whole argument is these guys should be moved through the system FASTER..

  139. Nick in SF August 31st, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    We might have a shot at getting Joe Mather from the Cubs.

  140. Against All Odds August 31st, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    One got lucky with Pineda but it was only luck.

    ——————

    It was a little more than luck

  141. mick August 31st, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    better shot at Jerry Mathers.

  142. mick August 31st, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    It was a little more than luck
    =================
    who can predict an injury? maybe the amazing kreskin, not the amazing randy.

  143. Against All Odds August 31st, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    mick August 31st, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    It was a little more than luck
    =================
    who can predict an injury? maybe the amazing kreskin, not the amazing randy.

    ——————————

    Based on the fact he has a violent delivery and came into camp out of shape the odds were in Randy’s favor.

  144. Ys Guy August 31st, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    showalter on wfan at 330

  145. Nick in SF August 31st, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    “Based on the fact he has a violent delivery and came into camp out of shape the odds were in Randy’s favor.”

    He wasn’t out of shape in randy’s research source material (xbox video on youtube).

  146. DONNYBROOK August 31st, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    - Jerky -
    So Now your claiming Mauer would Already have Over 100 RBI if he was a Yankee, even though he has NEVER knocked in 100???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

  147. mick August 31st, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    the Montero supporters have become like the empty chair Clint Eastwood spoke to last night.

  148. austinmac August 31st, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Ichiro and McGehee both have negative WARs since joining the Yankees . This non-spending for needs is working great.

    Maurer would be loved if he were a Yankee. Never,never happening with his salary. If it did, it would significantly improve their chances. Too bad.

  149. Tar August 31st, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    I’ve been posting this year how much better the O’S are blah, blah, blah.

    But that ends today. Not only do I want the Yankees to beat the Showalters , I want them to embarrass them. Beat them in every aspect of the game.

    No more nice talking about the O’S from me. See ya around game time.

  150. blake August 31st, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    “What’s all this Mauer talk? He’s no more likely to be a Yankee than Jerkface is.”

    you underestimate Jerkface

  151. Against All Odds August 31st, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    mick August 31st, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    the Montero supporters have become like the empty chair Clint Eastwood spoke to last night.

    —————————

    It’s not that bad

  152. Against All Odds August 31st, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    Nick in SF August 31st, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    “Based on the fact he has a violent delivery and came into camp out of shape the odds were in Randy’s favor.”

    He wasn’t out of shape in randy’s research source material (xbox video on youtube).

    ——————–

    Lol hilarious :D

  153. austinmac August 31st, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    Good one, Blake. Jerkface could be acquired at the right price, I suspect.

  154. luis August 31st, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    Mick,

    Only people without arguments resort to personal attacks like you just did. And says a lot of what kind of person in real life you are. You must be the embodiment of mediocrity and resentment.

    In short, you are an idiot not worth the time.

  155. blake August 31st, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    DKnobler ?@DKnobler
    Pettitte threw 20 pitches off mound, says “getting real close to being over the hump”

  156. G. Love August 31st, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    At this point if you’re really a fan of this team you put all the noise aside and realize we’re in a penant race and it’s time to support the team and forget about what the team did, didn’t do or whatever.

    We’re a month from October and I don’t see a clear favorite out there so I believe a title is w/in our grasps if these guys get it together. Getting an effective Andy back would make us scary in the post season.

    And Baltimore & Tampa are no joke.

    As pollyanna as it sounds, it’s time to pull together and push. There’s weeks left in this season. Trade deadline is basically done and what’s here is here.

    Mauer, Felix & Upton aren’t walking in the door.

  157. blake August 31st, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    “Mauer, Felix & Upton aren’t walking in the door.”

    no but Nunie and McGehee might!

  158. austinmac August 31st, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    Depressing article on Cespedes at MLB.com. Wouldn’t his right handed .300 hitting power bat be helpful this year and next? He could have been had for just money. There’s that ugly word again.

  159. blake August 31st, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    “Depressing article on Cespedes at MLB.com. Wouldn’t his right handed .300 hitting power bat be helpful this year and next? He could have been had for just money. There’s that ugly word again.”

    too risky and Hal said the only Cubans he was buying were the ones he smokes on his new Yacht

  160. Tar August 31st, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    “no but Nunie and McGehee might!”

    Followed by Andy, Alex and Tex.

    what other contender has the cavalry coming back like the Yankees do?

  161. austinmac August 31st, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    Let’s wait to see who and when each player returns. Teixiera’s tweet says his calf is feeling “a little better”. I feel more confident in the bony injury recoveries than the tendon type. Even with recovery, it will take innings and at bats to contribute. Only AROD will paly, hopefully, in the next en games.

  162. mick August 31st, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    Only people without arguments resort to personal attacks like you just did. And says a lot of what kind of person in real life you are. You must be the embodiment of mediocrity and resentment.

    In short, you are an idiot not worth the time.
    ============================
    Your arguments start and end with “cause I say so.”
    You don’t back up a thing you say.
    Are you the pinnacle of success? You and your kind are instigators but can’t back it up, which is why you hit and run when confronted or resort to personal attacks like you just did, even though you purport to despise them and are above that.
    For you to judge me based on a blog shows how shallow you are and you have no idea who I am so for you to judge is ludicrous.
    Don’t think you or your ilk are above it all just because you think you are erudite, you are not, and that is my judgment of you.

  163. luis August 31st, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    My first post directed at you was saying that I didn’t want to get in to this debate, because for me is pointless. Other people decided to join the fray. When you ran out of arguments, you made a very insulting post, uncalled for, since nobody had insulted you.

    Again, last time we debated I kicked your butt fair and square. I usually back up my arguments and never resort to personal attacks like you did to some posters here, just now. You are one of the reasons this blog is dying, since you don’t have anything to add, you just insult your fellow posters instead of arguing the merits of their artguments. Again, you are a troll, an idiot and a very resented person

  164. randy l. August 31st, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    “who can predict an injury? maybe the amazing kreskin, not the amazing randy.”

    the amazing randy is very good at prediction:

    randy l. March 19th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
    there’s an unusual mixture of management and coaching personnel with the orioles.
    duquette, showalter, and rick peterson is a very interesting mix. maybe it will blow up because duquette used to be a total a hole but he did lay the ground work for the red sox world series teams.
    showalter and peterson both have their resumes of success.
    my inner psychic baseball quiji board says watch out for them

    i also predict this post will piss off a few people :)

  165. randy l. August 31st, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    luis,

    the blog is dying because it has no real leadership. peter abraham led. like him or not he took a stand and he interacted on issues. he did not let trolls stay indefinitely.

  166. luis August 31st, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    Randy,

    Unfortunately I joined the blog after Pete Abe left, so I wouldn’t know. But one thing is for sure, I am getting tired of this posters that spend their time picking up fights and insulting people for what their positions are, especiallly when those positions don’t go along the FO way.

  167. mick August 31st, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    You are one of the reasons this blog is dying, since you don’t have anything to add, you just insult your fellow posters instead of arguing the merits of their artguments. Again, you are a troll, an idiot and a very resented person
    ============================
    Again, you do not know me so you have no idea of what you speak and are guilty of what you accuse others of, i.e. being inflammatory.
    Your hollow posts are limited to an opinion with no substance and you are not the gentile type you portray yourself to be. As Trisha says “feisty,” would be kind for easily combative.

  168. mick August 31st, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    Again, last time we debated I kicked your butt fair and square.
    ===============================
    Again, your opinion, doesn’t make it fact.
    If you don’t like confrontation , you should stay off this board.

  169. luis August 31st, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    And I have no intention to meet you. Don’t think there is anything worth knowing from you. Again, I am not feisty. But I don’t like people taking shots a people that are not there to defend themselves.

    Yes,it is an opinion.and here is another one…. You are toxic to this blog

  170. mick August 31st, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    Meet me?

    Where did I say that?

    Substance?

    I can pick off 10 analytic posts to your 1, if you have any…

    Grow up.

  171. mick August 31st, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    let’s take this to the NEXT page ==>>

  172. mick August 31st, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    just what I thought…no substance.

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