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Postgame notes: “That was my decision”

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There are so many things that we can talk about from today’s game — the Yankees’ inability to string wins together of late, their decreasing lead in the division, Chris Dickerson’s tremendous first game back — but much of the focus after the game was on Girardi’s decision to leave Phil Hughes in to face Mark Reynolds with two on and no one out in the top of the sixth.

“I thought that was Hughsie’s guy to get out, and he didn’t do it,” Girardi said after the 8-3 loss to the Orioles on Sunday cut his team’s lead in the AL East back down to two games.

As things were unraveling for Hughes in the sixth with the Yankees clinging to a one-run lead, Girardi decided to stick with the right-hander to face the red-hot Mark Reynolds. The Orioles’ first baseman had hit a solo homer off of Hughes just one inning prior, and when Hughes hung a breaking ball with two men on in Reynolds’ next at-bat, he was all over it.

With left-handed hitter Chris Davis on deck, Girardi said that he wanted to leave Hughes in for Reynolds so that lefty Boone Logan could come onto face Davis. The idea was not to burn through too many relievers in one inning, but Girardi ended up using a total of seven pitchers out of the bullpen – including five in the eighth inning alone.

After the game, the usually mild-mannered Girardi defended his decision as adamantly as I’ve ever seen him.

“That was my decision to leave him in there,” Girardi said. “He struck him out and he had given up a home run to him. Reynolds is a guy who is going to strikeout his share, and there are different things that you can do to him. He hung a breaking ball. My other choice is to bring (Cody) Eppley in there, and then to bring in Booney for the left-hander, and then I have to bring in another right-hander. I felt better leaving Hughsie in against Reynolds than what I would have done after Booney. If it’s one out, it’s a different story. But there was nobody out.”

There’s no reason to sugarcoat it — those of you who follow me on Twitter know that I wasn’t a big fan of this decision. I tweeted it before Hughes had even thrown a pitch to Reynolds. But more so than the fact that Reynolds had been all over Hughes in his previous at-bat, much of the postgame chatter revolved around the notion that, if Girardi didn’t want to use three relievers in one inning, why was he willing to use five in the eighth?

“They’re never going to perfect, but you need them to get big outs,” Girardi said of his bullpen. “You put them in situations to try and be successful. Sometimes, it doesn’t work.”

• Here’s Hughes on his approach against Reynolds in the sixth: “I was trying to slow him down. He hit a fastball mistake out over the plate the first time, and I started him off with a slider on the first pitch. The breaking ball I wanted to try and get down away from him, but I left it over the middle.”

• It really was interesting to see how quickly the situation turned sour for Hughes. He had looked sharp early, striking out six while allowing just one run through five innings. But you could just sense that he lost whatever it was that was working during that sixth inning, and the O’s starting hitting some balls hard. Nate McLouth led off with a walk, Adam Jones singled, and then Matt Wieters had an RBI single leading up to Reynolds’ three-run blast. “The wheels just came off there,” Hughes said. “A lot of pitches were finding the middle of the plate, and everything was flat.”

• Prior to that inning, it was Dickerson who was the story of the game. He went down and crushed a tough pitch into the right field seats in his first at-bat for a two-run homer, and also walked and scored the Yankees’ third and final run in the fifth. “No, not really,” Dickerson said confidently when asked if he was surprised that he hit a homer in his first at-bat of the season with the Yankees. “I was just trying to put a good swing on it. I was swinging the bat well before I got called up.”

• Dickerson also made an incredible catch in the seventh to rob Adam Jones of a home run. He certainly looked comfortable playing center field. “I was looking at Raul (Ibanez) and we thought it would be a spark to rally back,” Dickerson said. “But it’s a funny game.”

• Girardi was non-committal when asked if Dickerson had earned himself more playing time. “I’ll worry about my lineup tomorrow,” he said.

• The Yankees best chance to get back in the game came in the bottom of the seventh when they had two men on with one out, but Derek Jeter grounded into an inning ending double play. Earlier in the inning, there was some buzz in the press box about Girardi’s decision to pinch-hit for Dickerson with Andruw Jones. On paper, it made sense because the left-handed Randy Wolf was in the game pitching for the O’s. But with the type of game that Dickerson was having, it just didn’t feel right to take him out — especially considering Jones’ recent struggles. “You’re thinking about a righty against a lefty hitting a two-run homer, that’s the bottom line,” Girardi said. “And if he brings on Ayala, (Jones) has had a lot of success against him as well. That’s what you’re looking at.”

• Things really got ugly for the Yankees in the eighth. Girardi made four pitching changes in that inning, with Joba Chamberlain giving up two runs and Derek Lowe allowing one. Joba has been terrible since returning to the team, surrendering at least one run in six of his nine appearances. Marc Carig of The Star-Ledger and I were talking, and we couldn’t recall one positive outing that he’s had since his return. Lowe has been even worse, allowing at least a run in five of his last six appearances. “You’re not going to be perfect every time, and you have to understand that it’s going to take time to get back,” Chamberlain said. “It’s frustrating, but you can’t give up now.”

• Girardi confirmed after the game that A-Rod will be in the lineup for tomorrow’s series opener against the Rays. He wouldn’t say whether he’ll DH or play third. “We can use his bat,” he said. “That’s for sure.”

• Here is Girardi’s response when he was asked about his level of concern. The Yankees haven’t won back-to-back games since taking three in a row against Texas on August 13-15. “I’m asked everyday what my level of concern is,” he said. “The concern is that you play better baseball; not where you are in the standings right now, because we’re still in control of our own destination.”

• I’ll give the final word to Hughes, who was asked if the team can bounce back from its recent struggles: “It’s what we’ve been doing all year,” he said. “In the beginning of the year, everyone wanted to try to get us to panic. It didn’t happen then, and it’s not going to happen now.”

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246 Responses to “Postgame notes: “That was my decision””

  1. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    “The concern is that you play better baseball; not where you are in the standings right now, because we’re still in control of our own destination.”

    I believe the word you wanted was “destiny” Joe.

    :)

  2. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    So many things to comment on from today.

    Don’t even know where to begin.

    Suffice it to say tomorrow needs to be better.

    ;)

  3. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    I was loving the way Hughes was using his new fangled toy all the way thru 4.

    He appeared to tire quickly today.

  4. Triple Short of a Cycle September 2nd, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    Yanks are in a win win situation with most on here. They make the playoffs or they miss the playoffs which will be blamed on injuries.

  5. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 2nd, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    You have to admit they are injury depleted.

  6. Madrugador September 2nd, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    It is hard to win when you lose two middle of the order guys. Ask the Phillies how they hit without there number 3-Utley and number 4-Howard. Having said that, it’s all about pitching and defense. CC is going to pitch. Kuroda is going to pitch. One or two more guys need to step up here otherwise it is going to be an early winter.

  7. Triple Short of a Cycle September 2nd, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    You have to admit they are injury depleted.

    ———————————-

    And I will ask again how did injuries cause Nova to pitch like garbage or Granderson become a 230 hitter?

  8. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 2nd, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    And making the playoffs means nothing. If the SP doesn’t step it up, and if the vets come back and don’t perform, I don’t see them going very far. If the SP fails, it’s over.

  9. Triple Short of a Cycle September 2nd, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    CC is going to pitch

    ——————–

    CC has twice blown 2 leads to a triple A offense. How is that related to injuries?

  10. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 2nd, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    “And I will ask again how did injuries cause Nova to pitch like garbage or Granderson become a 230 hitter?”

    Well they did DL Nova. I guess it’s possible that he was hurt and didn’t say anything about it.

  11. Madrugador September 2nd, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    Nova is still young and may one day figure it out, but I am thinking it won’t be this year.
    Wasn’t Nova a Rule 5 guy that bounced back after he didn’t take with the new team?

  12. Duh Innings II September 2nd, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    If the 2012 Yankees lose the wildcard game or don’t make the postseason, Girardi, Cashman, and all the people of both men should be fired, period, end of story, case closed, enough is enough.

    Also, if either scenario happens, the Yankees should rebuild the starting nine with a 7/8/9/1/2/3 batting order of Gardner(CF)/Cervelli-Romine/Suzuki(RF)/Jeter/Nunez(3B)/Cano (the homegrown players save Ichiro who I’d keep cuz he’s a fundamentally sound player.)

    Let go of Swisher, Martin, Jones, and Ibanez.

    Trade Teixiera, Granderson, and Rodriguez.

    Lock up Cano.

    Sign David Ortiz to be the DH for 2013-14 cuz he can still flat out hit.

    Re-sign Stewart, Nix, Chavez, and Dickerson to be the bench.

  13. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 2nd, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    Magrudor – agree.

    This season isn’t dead in the water by any means. But there are certainly things that have to happen. And it begins with the pitching. I think we can get by with the offense we have, mix and match. And hopefully Arod finding his stroke again. But if the pitching doesn’t pick up the pace, and pick it up well, we can kiss the postseason bye bye for sure.

  14. Niblick September 2nd, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    Binder Joe is killing this team with his lefty-righty platoon fetish.

    I wish he would just get miss the plane to Tampa.

  15. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    Nova was returned by the Padres.

  16. jmills September 2nd, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    Triple – I love CC! – the guy can win 300 has far as I’m concerned.

  17. randy l. September 2nd, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    ho hum, monetro catches another low scoring game and hits a homer to create one of two runs in a winning effort for seattle who i notice have a better record than the red sox.

  18. jmills September 2nd, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    Sorry, ” as far as I’m concerned.” – over excited :)

  19. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    Randy-

    What’s Jesus’s dinger total ?

    I haven’t been tracking it.

  20. tomingeorgia September 2nd, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    Mr. MTU,
    Not as many as Hughes has given up, i’ll wager.

  21. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    I’ve asked this before and gotten some interesting responses.

    Let’s say you had to trade one of Hughes, Nova, or Phelps in the OS.

    As it stands today which one would it be and why ?

    Let me know what you think the trade return would be .

  22. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 2nd, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    Duh – I have ambivalence about Girardi. In fact, I can’t blame Girardi. He’s tried to play the hand he was dealt, and he’s done an admirable job of it. But he can’t go out there and play for the guys. Injuries, slumps, key players out at a bad time to be out.

    I think they’ll make the postseason, no question. But this is a tough time for the team to go cold.

  23. Villa Nova-Ya September 2nd, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    It’s not about Nova and Granderson.

    It’s about losing too many guys to cover at this point. It’s about the bench being asked to do more than a bench is supposed to do.

    Guys like Nova, Granderson, WHOEVER, are going to slump. Granderson, I have suggested, is tired. I think these several games off will do him a world of good. But, whatever. The injuries are there. And they are significant injuries to significant players.

    They have managed to keep their heads above water.

    But now the pitching is showing signs of wear and tear, specifically the bullpen.

    It is inevitable that when 2nd and 3rd string players are asked to assume the roles of 1st string players, that their weaknesses are going to be exposed.

    You cannot win on a consistent basis with a lineup of guys who were supposed to be sideliners most days.

    It is not an EXCUSE it is a REASON. There is a difference.

    If they were losing with their first string guys, you’d have a case for a bad team.

    It stinks that the season has come to this. No argument there. Not fun to watch at all right now.

    But you have to acknowledge the situation as it exists and that is that there are guys in there day in and day out who were not signed on to do the job they are now doing.

    That being said. Andruw Jones should never have another significant at-bat for this team. And much as I love Joba, there is not enough time for him to get to where he needs to be and he cannot be on any post-season roster, and he cannot come into any close games. I would love for him to wake up tomorrow and have it back, but I seriously doubt that is going to happen.

  24. Triple Short of a Cycle September 2nd, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    Well they did DL Nova. I guess it’s possible that he was hurt and didn’t say anything about it.

    ——————————–

    and that might be possible but that doesn’t explain Granderson’s decline or CC blowing 2 leads. This collapse has more to do with other issues then just injuries

  25. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    Mister Tom-

    Hughes would profit gretaly from a 2-seamer or Split.

    That would help him to induce more GB’s.

    ;)

  26. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    sp: greatly

  27. randy l. September 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    mtu-

    15

  28. jmills September 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    Trish, teams go cold, and my Jays are going to do their best to invec Oriole birdie brains in! :)

  29. cs in la September 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    I’d trade Hughes. We’ve given him years to prove himself and he just cant. Nova has shown great improvement, Hughes hasn’t.

  30. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 2nd, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Villa – excellent post.

    **********

    I’ve asked the same question about CC that I have about Nova. Since they’ve removed him from the rotation twice, is it possible that he never fully healed?

  31. Triple Short of a Cycle September 2nd, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    What does 2nd or third string guys have to do with CC blowing leads to an awful team?

    The offense outside of Arod has been healthy for most of the year so that cannot be used as the excuse or reason as you call it.

    Granderson is tired this year but he wasn’t tired last year when he played everyday as well?

  32. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    I like the idea of playing Nunez and Dickerson more.

    :)

  33. Triple Short of a Cycle September 2nd, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    This team started playing 500 or below way before Tex and Granderson got hurt.

  34. Benny Blanco September 2nd, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    15 homeruns for montero with one month left to play.

  35. luis September 2nd, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    Good evening guys,

    Villa…very well put, good post… But have to recognize that today wasn’t one of Girardi’s finest games, not only for taking out Dickerson for Jones, but for failing to see the signs that Hughes was tired, i know he tried to squeeze one more inning from him and it backfired. I don’t think today was the moment to risk it, this game was far too important.

    MTU,

    If you ask me in a vacuum, i would say Hughes because he has the less years of control and you need cost controlled players in order to go below the 189 mil mark. But if you take the whole picture in to account, i wouldn’t trade any of those guys, i would extend Hughes to a team friendly extension. We are going to be relying on pitching for the forseeable future. What I would do is trade some position players on the roster ( Granderson ) for prospects.

    Montero has 15 dingers so far

  36. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 2nd, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    “I’d trade Hughes. We’ve given him years to prove himself and he just cant. Nova has shown great improvement, Hughes hasn’t.”

    I was always convinced that Hughes was going to be the face of the franchise some day and the ace in the rotation. Maybe that frickin’ hamstring injury threw him off, maybe pitching coaches messing with his mechanics, maybe a lot of things. Maybe forays to and from the bullpen. But whatever went into it, I admit that I’m really questioning both his future with and value to the Yankees.

  37. luis September 2nd, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    I would try to get Tex out too

  38. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    Luis-

    The most common response I’ve gotten is Hughes.

    None for Phelps. Few if any for Nova.

    It usually seems to have to do with the years of control/cost issues surrounding him relative to the others.

    Thank you for your perspective.

  39. Chambliss September 2nd, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    We will see what the Yankees are made of when they go on the road against Tampa and Baltimore. The Yankees got lucky because they dont have to face Price. But Shields, Cobb and Moore are no slouches.

    The key is to win the division and to get hot for the postseason.

    Hughes would be a 20 game winner in the National League. Look what happened with IPK. I hope that they stick with him. He is close to becoming a very good pitcher.

  40. Villa Nova-Ya September 2nd, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    Triple Short

    You will believe what you want to believe. You will get an answer and you will had another layer.

    Guys slump. Pitchers have off years. CC had a bad game. Bad games happen. Other teams get better. The match ups are more even. It’s freaking baseball.

    Last year, Granderson had more DH days because Gardner could fill in center field more often. Granderson could play centerfield differently with a guy in left who could cover as much or more ground than he could.

    The offense was holding its own. It wasn’t great, but it was holding its own. Then they lose ARod; Ibanez and Jones are playing more than they should; Tex is in and out of the lineup due to his wrist and then his calf; Swisher missed significant time TWICE even though he wasn’t DL’d.

    No one on the team is having a career year. Some guys are having career LOW years. And yet they are still in first place, even if they are hanging by a thread.

    Mariano has been out since, what, early May? The bullpen was heroic for three months. But trying to cover that “extra” inning has left it threadbare as well. Soriano has the ninth covered, Robertson the eighth. But the 6th and 7th? They did a yeoman’s job for May, June and into July. But when Nova started to have some lousy starts and not go into the 6th, and Garcia barely makes it into the 6th on a regular basis. Pettitte going down was HUGE. Pettitte, Kuroda and CC, three-fifths of the rotation who could go into the 7th inning which benefits the bullpen. Pettitte and CC down hurt BIG TIME. That was when the bullpen started getting stretch beyond its capabilities, but it didn’t show up for a month.

    These things all add up.

    It’s not one thing or one player, it is the COMBINATION of everything that has happened. It is layered.

    ARod going down in and of itself was bad enough, but the bench covered that for a while. But 6 weeks is a long time. Girardi tries to do the balancing act, but it’s tough. And then when Tex is out first with his wrist on and off, and now with his calf. And Cano hasn’t hit lefties all season. It’s being held together with spit and a prayer and instead of constant vitriol and castigation, at least every once in a while it would be nice to acknowledge that this team has managed to hang on.

    And there is still a chance to get through this season and be in the playoffs.

    And then it will be what it will be.

    But if they get to the playoffs, I will be incredibly happy and satisfied to know that this team persevered.

    If they don’t, I know that there just wasn’t enough in the tank. It’s baseball.

  41. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    Trisha-

    Is that your final response on Hughes or is it perhaps colored by today’s events ?

  42. tomingeorgia September 2nd, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    MTU,
    Got a couple of guests tonight, GIs from NC. We’re going to amuse ourselves watching the NASCAR Race for the Chase from Atlanta Raceway. In stock car racing, every night is a pennant race, and it’s always close at the end. The rest of you guys can tear yourselves up about whatever. I’ll be back to watch the game tomorrow, and boot the Ynkees home!

  43. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 2nd, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    “The offense outside of Arod has been healthy for most of the year so that cannot be used as the excuse or reason as you call it. ”

    Well they went the season without Gardner, and Swisher was down for part of the season. Because of Gardner going down, they ended up having to use Ibanez a heck of a lot more than they would have otherwise. Tex has been out of the lineup a few times and if you remember they played him sick for almost an entire month (if not more). He looked white as a ghost.

  44. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    Chambliss-

    I thought I saw Phil taking it to another level early on today (thru 4).

    I was a amazed at how good that slider looked and how often he was going to it.

    With the improved CU and that slider (slurve) he has a workable arsenal.

    He just seemed to run out of gas early today.

    No idea why.

  45. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 2nd, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    “Trisha-

    Is that your final response on Hughes or is it perhaps colored by today’s events ?”

    I’m sure colored by today’s events.

    :)

  46. Villa Nova-Ya September 2nd, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    luis -

    In a word, Girardi had more trust in Hughes at that point in the game than he did in anyone he could have brought in to face Reynolds.

    I have more of a problem with him pinch hitting for Dickerson, who was having a great game.

    As I stated, Jones should never get another significant at-bat.

  47. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    Tom-

    Have fun watchin’ Daisy Mae.

    See ya’ manana.

    :)

  48. Villa Nova-Ya September 2nd, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    trisha -

    Good point about Tex playing sick. I had forgotten about that!

  49. Yankee Trader September 2nd, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    MTU

    Hughes! But what will the FA to be in 2014 really bring back?

    Why didn’t Rothschild come out after he walked the 1st batter on what looked like it could have been strike 3? Or Martin, to help give the bullpen time to get ready?

  50. ron September 2nd, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    The yankees should of traded for headley,then dh arod ft.
    Outside of headley’s home park,he is a monster.
    He is monster in any park.
    This team needs to get healthy,and tweeked a little.

    I’d go nuts in the offseason.

    I’d trade granderson,and cano for a 3b,2b,cf,rf,and one more position player,or pitcher.
    Signing cano,and granderson longterm is going to set us back a long time.

    We need tex,arod back,and we need to straighten out our starting pitching,and girardi has to stop making a million moves.

    Robertson,to so,get feliciano back,stop using joba.

  51. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 2nd, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    MTU, I didn’t get to watch the game. If I saw him looking good through 4 and then suddenly losing it, I’d probably be thinking that for whatever reason he was just gassed – could he be down with something, etc.

  52. mick September 2nd, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    My point was not supposed to be a referendum on George.
    It was that Girardi needs guidance and someone who will question him in a way he can’t easily talk his way out of.
    George had a way of doing that. Call it intimidation.
    There are times Girardi manages like a madman.
    Today was one of those days.
    Yet he not so calmly double talked his way out of it again.
    His moves today were erratic, disjointed and his explanation for why he left Hughes in was hypocritical as he went on and contradicted himself by using 8 pitchers today.
    He had Wade and Justin Thomas in there. Callups. He had Lowe, who once again crapped the bed. Total disarray.

  53. Villa Nova-Ya September 2nd, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    luis -

    Although, I will say, a ground ball pitcher at that point would have been preferable. Do they have one????

  54. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    YT-

    Interesting question.

    Wish I could give you an interesting answer but I haven’t a clue.

    It would seem to have been appropriate.

  55. Triple Short of a Cycle September 2nd, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    Granderson started 1 game at DH last year

  56. Yankee Trader September 2nd, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    Villa-

    By the time Joe pinch hit for Dickerson, the game was turned off. Dickerson has been hitting lefties ..300 BA in AAA. Jones looks like he’s finished with his BA barely above the Mendoza line. Dickerson made two catches, both of which Granderson probably wouldn’t have made.

  57. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    Trisha-

    I just wondered.

    He did appear fatigued early today.

    I thought his mechanics suffered because of it.

    Made a few costly mistakes.

    Early on his new arsenal was cause for optimism for me.

    He need to be able to induce more GB’s. I stated my opinion on how above.

  58. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 2nd, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    The one position player I consider untouchable is Robby. I’m hoping the organization sees it the same way.

    Time will tell.

  59. mick September 2nd, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    I really get the feeling that if anyone like George were to confront him that Girardi would quit, like he did in Fla, when he didn’t get his way.
    He seems to think he is brilliant and has the leeway to call it his way or the highway.
    Must be nice…

  60. CompassRosy September 2nd, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    randy l. September 2nd, 2012 at 7:19 pm
    ho hum, monetro catches another low scoring game and hits a homer to create one of two runs in a winning effort for seattle who i notice have a better record than the red sox.

    ~

    Jesus is now 5/9 lifetime vs. Weaver with 4 home runs :)

    The Halos absolutely have Felix’s number (he is 0-2 with a 5.75 ERA in three starts vs. the Angels this season and 13-4 with a 2.04 ERA against everyone else) and yet they struggle vs. Iwakuma (who has now beat them twice).

    Ain’t baseball great?

    Anyhoo…
    even though the RS pose no threat to the Yanks this season, I assume I can count on some LoHud mystique and aura for the navy and teal channeled in a westerly direction for the next three days ;)

  61. Villa Nova-Ya September 2nd, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    Trader -

    That’s when I tuned out, too.

  62. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 2nd, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    MTU, well I know for sure that if Phil had a stellar game there would be no thoughts in my mind of his being with another organization. That’s why I said it was likely colored by today’s game.

    If our SP doesn’t start pitching lights out, we can kiss this season/postseason goodbye. And lights out doesn’t mean giving up a bunch of early runs (though today things fell apart anyway apparently). Villa is right. For every reason in the world, we have a depleted offense. The SP, and the pen, has to be the catalyst going forward or it’s not going to work.

  63. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    When the team looks this bad it is no surprise that calls for change are rampant and extremely vocal.

    Not just minor change but major change.

    I understand the frustration and concern.

    If changes are made I am afraid they will have to wait for the Hotstove season.

    This is the hand we’ve been dealt and for better or worse it’s going to have to be played out.

  64. Villa Nova-Ya September 2nd, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    Girardi was fired, he did not quit.

    And I believe he had a run-in with his owner.

  65. Villa Nova-Ya September 2nd, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    And he won Manager of the Year that year.

  66. Benny Blanco September 2nd, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    MTU,

    Phils velocity has not been the same since the beginning of the season. I believe he’s beginning to become fatigued because he did not pitch these many innings last year.

  67. mick September 2nd, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    This team has to start hitting as , no matter how good you think the pitching has to be, it is not stellar enough to win if we only score 3 runs a game.

  68. mick September 2nd, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    Girardi was fired, he did not quit.

    And I believe he had a run-in with his owner.
    ==========================
    Thanks for making my point.
    He was confronted by authority and he was gone.
    There is no accountability here as Hal is an accountant.

  69. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    Trisha-

    For as long as I can recall I have been of the opinion that the Yankees would live or die by their Pitching this season.

    So I wholeheartedly agree the Pitching needs to get it together.

    One way or the other but in a hurry.

    ;)

  70. luis September 2nd, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    Villa,

    They have Lowe… He pitched later on horribly…. :( My choice would have been to try Wade and see if he has straighten out himself…We do need a brifge between the SP and Drob and Sori

  71. Villa Nova-Ya September 2nd, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    They need to start playing better all around. Pitching, defense and hitting. All around.

  72. luis September 2nd, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    *bridge* should say

  73. Yankee Trader September 2nd, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    Today’s game was awful in every aspect:
    The offense is MIA
    The defense was bad
    The bullpen was worse
    The managing was questionable

    Now they get to go and deal with the Maddon shift. Granderson should sit there also as he hasn’t hit a lick at Tropicana.

  74. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 2nd, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    MTU – amen.

  75. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    Benny-

    I thought Phil’s heater looked very sharp early on.

    He lost command of it during the 5th and 6th.

    It would not surprise me if you have a point though.

    Lot’s of guys get dead arm around now and just have to fight their way thru it.

    Phil came into camp in excellent shape this year.

    he went to API in the OS and got an early start.

  76. randy l. September 2nd, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/standings/_/date/20110902

    the red sox had a .606 winning percentage on this date last year.

    they were a half game behind the yankees.

    are the yankees poised to implode like the red sox did or is this this just a bump in the road?

    i have no idea, but teams can self destruct in no time. the red sox were a very good team until the wheels fell off last summer right about now.

  77. jmills September 2nd, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    ” One way or another, I’m gonna’ get ya’ , I’m gonna’ get ya’” – Blondie

  78. Villa Nova-Ya September 2nd, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    And the manager has to face some hard truths about his veterans. If they can get some good games from motivated youngsters, they need to capitalize on that right now. Nunez, Dickerson, whoever else. They won’t be on the post-season roster, but they can get the Yankees there. And the veteran bench can get their rest, perhaps getting refreshed for the post-season.

    luis -

    Nova going down (and being stinky, before that) has hurt the bullpen because Phelps has to pitch in the rotation. (Which is where I think he will pitch ultimately, but the Yankees need his quality coming out of the pen right about now.)

    I am disappointed about Lowe. His first appearance, backing up Phelps, was sooooo good. Since then, not so much.

  79. mick September 2nd, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    I thought Phil’s heater looked very sharp early on.

    He lost command of it during the 5th and 6th.
    ============================
    MTU
    Phil was at 100 pitches when he imploded. This is on Girardi.

  80. Yankee Trader September 2nd, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    MTU and Trisha-

    It’s not just the pitching. 4 runs or 4 hits yesterday in a lucky comeback vs Strop.
    At one point 3 hits and 3 runs vs Tillman/Wolf

    Hope A-Rod magically finds his hitting stroke tomorrow after only swinging a bat for the last few days.
    Andruw-do us a favor and go sit at the end of the bench and tell Girardi you’re ill and can’t play! :)

  81. Villa Nova-Ya September 2nd, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    I won’t compare last year’s Red Sox to this year’s Yankees.

    Last year’s Red Sox seemed to implode for no reason. I don’t recall injuries (Crawford maybe?). I recall that Beckett and Lester couldn’t win anymore, for whatever reason. Their offense never was the problem.

    And I don’t call injuries an implosion.

    Perhaps, the Yankees played above their heads for a few months? I don’t really believe that, but it could be. What I think is there are too many Yankees not even coming close to the back of their baseball cards…

  82. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    The offense definitely needs to pick it up too.

    w/o question.

    The fewer runs scored the more the pressure is on the Pitching.

    When the runs are sparse you get Seattle, or Frisco.

    Great Pitching required game after game all season long.

    Tough to do.

    The margin of error decreases severely and the degrees of freedom for winning are greatly reduced w/o sufficient O.

  83. ron September 2nd, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    I can’t see giving cano a 6-8 year deal for 20-25 million a year,when the 1st year of his new contract he will be 32 years old.
    That ship has sailed.
    We can be a better team saving the money for other players,and getting something back in a trade.
    He should of been extended,but wasn’t.
    Almost every other team takes advantage of extending players,and ends up getting players at major discounts,except the yankees.
    Longoria being an example,price is getting paid,but the rays will trade him for a boatload of players,After they get the best years out of him.

  84. Villa Nova-Ya September 2nd, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    And yet, they are still in first place. I keep coming back to that.

  85. DaSaint007 September 2nd, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    Bullpen showing signs of wear and tear. Don’t care what anyone says, but I miss AJ’s and Andy’s innings. Missing Tex and ARod in the lineup doesn’t help, especially with Granderson slumping for average. And Gardner’s speed is missed. Ichiro has been good, but hasn’t been on enough to create the havoc that Gardner could. Pitchers are too complacent as they know the Yankees don’t have an active on-base strategy.

    Joba isn’t ready, and Lowe needs to be released. Bring up at least one other young arm. At this point it couldn’t be any worse than Lowe.

  86. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    Mick-

    Hughes certaintly can’t take himself out of the game so you’re right.

    Judgement has to come into play.

    That is your Manager’s purview.

  87. jmills September 2nd, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    Man / girl – my Jays are going to rock next year! ( Here’s hoping )

  88. mick September 2nd, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    This team was 13 games over 500 in the month of June.
    Basically they have played 500 ball the other 4 months.
    Not all of this can be blamed on injuries.

  89. Villa Nova-Ya September 2nd, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    One of the differences, ron, is that no one in Tampa cares whether or not they keep marquee players. Different here in NY.

    Not saying fans should dictate what ownership does; but I am saying that the repercussions in NY of trading a fan favorite can result in less support from some fans. In Tampa, who would notice?

  90. Villa Nova-Ya September 2nd, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    mick -

    No – the other part of it is too many players playing under their capabilities. And yet, the other teams must stink just enough, too, because so far, that little run they had in June has sustained them this far.

  91. luis September 2nd, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    Yes Villa, Nova not pitching very well had a negative impact on the BP as a whole… I would say though that Phelps looked like the perfect candidate to fill Pettitte’s absence, of course that was before the rash of injuries we have sustained. At this point in time, Phelps is the best candidate to fill the Ramiro Mendoza’s role in the PS.

  92. jmills September 2nd, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    Mick, my sister viewed Van drunk and rude out of his mind.

  93. mykyl1 September 2nd, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    Watch CC on Monday in Tampa. He will give up 2 home runs that cost is 3-4 runs. He will fight and struggle and the Yankees will lose 6 to 3. Then its Garcia. At that point we will start to fall like a lead baloon. I am not sure how clear any of your memories are but NOBODY thought the Yankees or anyone could blow a 3 to nothing lead in the ALCS. BUT THEY DID. lOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED TO bOSTON LAST YEAR. iT WAS NOT POSSIBLE BUT IT HAPPENED.

    The Phillies have a better chance to make the playoffs then the Yankees. Yup I said it.

  94. mick September 2nd, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    Joba isn’t ready, and Lowe needs to be released. Bring up at least one other young arm. At this point it couldn’t be any worse than Lowe.
    =======================
    I just hope Girardi and Cashman can agree on the right playoff roster, if they make it.
    Girardi has to be more decisive and stop favoring the veterans like Jones who is washed up.
    He admitted he brought Jones on to hit a 2 run HR for Dickerson, who was having a magical day.
    What was that all about?

    Enough with the small ball theories as Joe has become Earl Weaver, waiting for the 3 run HR.
    Live by the sword, die by it…and it’s not the way Joe played the game. He’s conflicted.

  95. Villa Nova-Ya September 2nd, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    And I hate that the Yankees are even more a station-to-station team. No movement on the basepaths at all.

    There are times when they hit the ball so hard, a runner cannot advance the extra base. Saw evidence of that in Lakewood last night. Consecutive hard-hit line drives where runners could not advance more than one base.

    But other times, they play it safe too often.

    And other times, out of nowhere, they’re reckless and get thrown out at the plate. Go figure.

    Been a very frustrating year.

    And yet, again, they are hanging on to first place on September 2nd.

  96. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 2nd, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Trader – of course we need the offense to pick it up, but if they don’t, the pitching can make the difference. If the pitching doesn’t pick it up, we can have all the offense in the world, and we still won’t win games. That’s called the Sux.

    I’ll say it again. The teams in the majors with the best ERA are basically 1st and 2nd place teams. The teams with the best offense are a mix, with the 15-games-out-of-first 4th-place Sux right up there, along with the last-place Rockies (20 games out of first) and last-place Jays (no offense j mills).

    Dinner run. BBL

  97. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    A fella named Murphy has bit a lot of teams very hard this season.

    :(

  98. DaSaint007 September 2nd, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    Yankees haven’t had a serious agressive on-base strategy since Rickey or maybe Knoby. I don’t understand why guys like Jeter, Ichiro, Granderson, and now Dickerson are not told that they have the green light and should use it each and every time they’re on base. Its been proven to consistently distract the pitchers, and take them out of their rhythm.

    I swear that had I been an MLB manager, I would tell each and every player in the lineup that they need to end the season with at least 5 to 10 steals apiece for the slowpokes or 10-30 for the gifted runners, or they’re not doing all they can do while on base.

  99. jmills September 2nd, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    MTU – I remember Dwayne Murphey.

  100. mick September 2nd, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    I question the guidance of Cashman at this moment.
    Isn’t it time for a display of leadership of some kind?
    Doesn’t have to be much.
    Has he just thrown his hands in the air and played the injury card?

  101. ron September 2nd, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    Villa Nova-Ya

    It is about doing the smart thing,and signing any player for what cano will demand is just not smart,regardless of where a team is located on the map.

    Ages 32-38,at the minimum with cano is a huge gamble.

    Arod,zito,santanna,etc…
    The list is endless.

    With the money saved,and players we would get in the trade,we would be a better team,so i can’t see people getting angry.

  102. jmills September 2nd, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    Mick , … U have a great team!

  103. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    Mills-

    This Murphy likes dishing out surprises.

    Bad ones.

    ;)

  104. mick September 2nd, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    Does anyone really think Hal is going to give Cano an Arod contract or even close?
    Hal is loving his position right about now as he has a built in hedge against these type of contracts.

  105. mick September 2nd, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    Besides, Cano , for some reason, has been moping around for too long lately and there is always a reason for that kind of behavior.

  106. jmills September 2nd, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    MTU, only convec the good ones. :)

  107. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    Mills-

    You French Canadian ?

  108. mykyl1 September 2nd, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    I question the guidance of Cashman at this moment.
    Isn’t it time for a display of leadership of some kind?
    WHat are you joking? He is in the middle of a divorce, fighting his ex girlfriend the stalker in court and has his mind on everthing but baseball.

  109. mykyl1 September 2nd, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    Cashman paid for an employee of the Yankees to get breast implants and have an abortion. How is it you fools dont grasp the fact he is not capable of being the GM of a billion dollar business. You are all baseball fans with no grip on the reality of the real business world. Should have been fired the day the story broke.

  110. jmills September 2nd, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    MTU, no, basically by all accounts, I’m retarted :)

  111. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    Mills-

    that’s not an exclusion.

    You could be retarded and still speak French.

    :)

  112. mykyl1 September 2nd, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    Hal just does not care about anything but the numbers. To own the team and have thousand of premium seats empty every night is a joke.

  113. jmills September 2nd, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    MTU,..mmm, I denounce meself,…retarded!!!

  114. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    Hal will start caring when the bottom line falls far enough.

    If it does.

    Or he’ll sell.

    ;)

  115. filthy slider September 2nd, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    first get rid of cashman, he’s worthless & a terrible GM. while other teams are building for the playoffs by bringing in players, cashman gets guys on the cheap like Derek Lowe. After you bring in a real GM he can try to get something for Phil, I fold like a cheap suit, Hughes. Would any Yankee fan want to see Hughes toe the rubber if the season was on the line. This guy can’t pitch big games, never has never will.GUTLESS

  116. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    Mills-

    Your word play is interesting but does not always translate well to Anglais.

    I once visited McGill University during my college days, and I really dug Quebec City.

    I don’t know if that is your neighborhood but if it is it’s an interesting
    one.

  117. jmills September 2nd, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    MTU- u r better than me!

  118. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    Tomorrow we get the Big Man in a Big game.

    Let’s see what he gives us.

    ;)

  119. jmills September 2nd, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Stieb has the best slider – does any stupid post contest?

  120. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    Mills-

    Highly doubtful.

    Je sais rien.

    ;)

  121. jmills September 2nd, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    MTU – you have the best cacti!

  122. austinmac September 2nd, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    The relief pitching was awful as was Hughes. However, for years the team has won with offense. They can’t do that anymore, even when healthy.

  123. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    Mills-

    that I may have.

    ;)

  124. jmills September 2nd, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    Austinmatic- jays, have great relief

  125. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 2nd, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    “However, for years the team has won with offense”

    Won what?????

  126. bruceb September 2nd, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    Villa Nova

    I’ve enjoyed reading your posts tonight – they sum up the current woes of the New York Yankees very well. Injuries have indeed caught up with us; we managed to catch lightning in a bottle for a while with the likes of Ibanez, Chavez, Jones, Nix, Rapada and Eppley but they’ve been asked to do too much for too long. Hell, nobody expected most of these guys to be regulars in the lineup come this time of year.

    I understand why people are panning Girardi for leaving Hughes in too long today but I have also have a lot of sympathy for him. You can’t pull your starter in the fifth or sixth inning every day. He had to use the pen for 4.1 innings on Saturday and, in any case, were Eppley, Rapada and Logan going to do any better than Hughes in building a bridge to our only two reliable relievers, DRob and Soriano?

    When your offense is struggling, you have to rely on your starters to go deep and – on occasions – work their own way out of trouble. CC, Hughes and Phelps have been unable to do that on their most recent starts while Kuroda put us in a three-run hole.

    Just who can Joe rely on right now? As Trisha has quite rightly pointed out on numerous occasions, the only way out of this mess is with better starting pitching.

    That has to begin tomorrow with our ace. CC has to set the tone for the Rays series. If he doesn’t, then by the end of this 10-game road trip we could well be outside the playoff positions looking in.

  127. jmills September 2nd, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    I personally don’t care -Jays rock! Henke rocks, Key Rocks etc..

  128. austinmac September 2nd, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    Cano will require an eight year contract. They very, very rarely work out. Their are many difficult decisions ahead.

    I agree that Hal won’t care until I income declines. I predict next year if they collapse and don’t show the fans a desire to win.

    I promise few things. One promise I make is a dramatic decline in attendance and income if they become mediocre.

    Randy has said and I agree this team is uninteresting. Youth creates excitement. I would much prefer youth to Jones, Ibanez, Ichiro etc.

    If they bring back Ichiro, that will tell us all we need to know.

  129. austinmac September 2nd, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    They have been to the playoffs 25 if the last 26 years with multiple World Series appearances and wins. Were you asleep?

    No one disputes they need to pitch, but they need to score runs. Fifteen hits in three games will result with losses on virtually any team.

  130. austinmac September 2nd, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    15 of the last 16 years.

  131. ET September 2nd, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    They need pitching this winter. Enough with the Hughes, Nova, Phelps, Garcias, Noesis, etc. Get some proven, reliable starting pitchers here this winter and everything else will fall into place.

    And stop trying for these lightening in a bottle guys like Ichiro, Lowe, Ibanez, etc. enough band-aids who show their warts eventually.

  132. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 2nd, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    How many world series have they won in the last 15 years?

  133. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 2nd, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    “Fifteen hits in three games will result with losses on virtually any team.”

    Yeah – unless your opponent shuts you out. That has happened in the history of MLB.

  134. dan l September 2nd, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    With respect to the Hughesie being left in the game…Girardi saw what happened when they faced the Tigers a couple of weeks ago that Hughes could not be trusted to get out of the inning. He is a terrible incompetent when it comes to in game management.

    Cashman talks a good game about young players but the Yankees are the only team in MLB without a rookie pa. Couldn’t David Adams do better then McCterrible? Mustelier is better then watch the ball land in the outfield/no hit Jones.

    DJ Mitchell is pitching well for Seattle in the PCL a hitters league and we have Ichiro who can’t even get a bunt down let alone get a hit.

  135. Against All Odds September 2nd, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    ET September 2nd, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    They need pitching this winter. Enough with the Hughes, Nova, Phelps, Garcias, Noesis, etc. Get some proven, reliable starting pitchers here this winter and everything else will fall into place.

    —————————–

    Not a lot of options on the FA market and they are cutting back on spending.

  136. austinmac September 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    If a team gives up four runs a game, they are doing very well. You expect a shutout regularly? Good luck with that. This isn’t 1968.

  137. Against All Odds September 2nd, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Cashman talks a good game about young players but the Yankees are the only team in MLB without a rookie pa.

    ———————

    Which is crazy when you think about it

  138. luis September 2nd, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Guys,

    Balance wins…You can lose 1-0 or 15-14…You need good pitching and a good offense…When you lack one or the other, you usually win squat… Sure, our pitching needs to step it up. But our current offensive woes aren’t making it easy on the pitching.

  139. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    Luis-

    Does your mamma know you’re this smart.

    :)

  140. igotid88 September 2nd, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    DONNYBROOK September 2nd, 2012 at 4:35 pm
    Hughes did NOT “cruise thru 4 innings” as stated above. 2 good defensive plays by Swish and Dickerson in the alley, kept Hughes afloat early.
    ———

    One ball was hit right at Swish and the other it was a regular pop up. The Dickerson one was good but it’s not like he had to dive for it.

  141. luis September 2nd, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    dan I,

    Spot on….Good post.

    mac,

    I rather see some youth than past their prime vets

  142. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    The Yankees have a very conservative philosophy.

    They do not like to take chances.

  143. Madrugador September 2nd, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    You’d think FA starting pitchers were a dime a dozen the way some of you talk about it.
    The game has changed. The day of the high priced FA are all but gone. Do you think the Angels feel good about the Albert Pujols deal?
    Develop your young talent and sign them to long term deals before they become free agents.

    The only problem for the Yanks is they don’t have a lot of young pitching talent. I am not sold on Betances (can’t control his stuff) and Banuelos will never stay healthy long enough as a starter. This kid Nuno at double A looks like he has a shot but I can’t see him with the team any time soon.

  144. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    They are risk-averse.

    ;)

  145. austinmac September 2nd, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    Trisha,

    What is your point? If they pitched shutouts they would win a lot. I agree. They won’t and never have.

    You derided anyone who said the team had needs at the TD. You said on a daily or sometimes hourly basis they knew what they were doing and their were no worries? True?

    It appears that was not the case.

  146. luis September 2nd, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 9:38 pm
    Luis-

    Does your mamma know you’re this smart.

    ===================================

    LMAO…Actually she says quite the contrary!! :lol:

  147. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    Luis-

    Tell her MTU says she’s wrong.

    ;)

  148. Yanks78 September 2nd, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    Is it overreacting to say that this is shaping up to be the 1980s? I could see this team becoming the mid 2000s Blue Jays – lots of 84-89 win finishes, competitive, but a fringe threat.

    They simply need a talent infusion in a hurry. Whether its young guys or veterans, they need some new faces, new ideology, enough with these 38 yr old guys with little left or strikeout guys, or good not great Minnesota-Twins esque starters. They need new talent everywhere, new blood.

    A new manager/GM would be ideal, but that likely won’t happen unless they collapse.

  149. Against All Odds September 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    Manny still has time on his side

  150. bruceb September 2nd, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    Our offensive production isn’t going to change much in the next 10 days. Do you think they would be rushing ARod back after just one rehab start if they were still 10 games up in the division?

    It could actually prove counter-productive because now the world is going to be on Alex’s shoulders and barring a miracle, he isn’t going to be able to deliver. We’ve already seen this with Joba – and he looked great in his rehab starts in the Minors.

    Our current lineup isn’t going to put up the numbers we are used to seeing from Yankees teams of recent years. The only way we can win right now is with decent pitching.

  151. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    AAO-

    Nah ! he’s 20 already.

    Past his prime.

  152. Madrugador September 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    Manny is too small and puts way too much torque on his shoulder and elbow to stay healthy.

  153. austinmac September 2nd, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Did anyone really want Eppley in the 6th? Really? Joba? The problem is they have no bullpen depth. Cashman thought Eppley was satisfactory. He relied on Joba.

    I just think Girardi looked at the pen and wondered who could get some outs until the eighth.

  154. tucker September 2nd, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Count me in the camp that believes this team needs hitting more than pitching. Just too much pressure on the starters to keep games tight. The offense just is not as robust as it has been.

    Plus, the achilles heel of this team right now is middle relief. They are killing the team right now.

  155. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Banuelos delivery is extremely smooth.

    Great mechanics.

  156. Against All Odds September 2nd, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    They need new talent everywhere, new blood.

    ————————-

    Good point. They do new an infusion. They need a spark whether is a young guy from the minors or a guy in his late 20s with some grit.

  157. Against All Odds September 2nd, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    AAO-

    Nah ! he’s 20 already.

    Past his prime.

    ——————-

    Yea he doesn’t meet the age requirement for this team.

  158. igotid88 September 2nd, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    today sucks. Yankees lose and I was hoping to watch Pearl Jam’s performance on youtube. But they ended the stream

  159. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Count me in the camp that thinks there’s a lot of sh*t wrong right now.

    Pitching, hitting. pretty much the whole enchilada.

    No where to go but up.

    ;)

  160. luis September 2nd, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    Mac,

    I wasn’t one that thought that we should go out and get some help…..Not because I thought we didn’t need it, but because it would hurt the long term health of the franchise…In any case, this team’s offensive woes weren’t going to be resolved with one piece unfortunately ( not even with J Upton ). We are several pieces away from an ideal offense. Maybe, the FO realized that they couldn’t improve exponentially without hurting the long term outlook of the team, so they decided to stand pat. And ride with their perceived strength ( pitching ) and hoping for enough offensive output to win it all.

    To be honest, if this was the case, i am glad they didn’t make a move. In any event, I think we are heading to a sort of a rebuild mode after this season is over. So you need as much young talent as you can.

    To be honest,

  161. Madrugador September 2nd, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    Great mechanics like the kind that wiped out his 2012 season?
    Not worth the debate. Time will tell and I will agree that he does have plenty of that.

  162. austinmac September 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    The scary truth of the minors was obvious early when looking at the upper level rosters. No replacements existed when the inevitable needs arise.

    They have focused on drafting pitchers and catchers. Sadly, they didn’t have much there either.

  163. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    Luis-

    189 is like a straightjacket.

    The Yankees are unable or unwilling to use their usual financial edge.

    You can thank that commie bast*rd Bud Selig for that.

    Money works instantly. Development takes time.

    Time is hard to come by in Yankeeland.

    ;)

  164. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    Mac-

    You think Hughes, Nova, and Phelps all suck ?

  165. bruceb September 2nd, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    Yanks’ top brass will have to have a rethink about getting below $189 million luxury tax threshold…unless, of course, they don’t mind having a half-full stadium like the Mets. They have no Major League-ready young talent and a lot of so-called stars waiting to get paid.

  166. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 2nd, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    Oh yes austin you are so right! The Yankees went out and injured all of their players!!!! Huzzah huzzah!

    *************

    “If a team gives up four runs a game, they are doing very well.”

    Think so?

    Here are the Yanks last 20 games. The ones in bold are wins. Out of 8 wins, only ONCE did the pitching give up as much as 4 runs. And most of the wins were low-scoring games, meaning that the offense didn’t have to score a ton of runs to win.

    10-7
    8-2
    3-0
    3-2

    10-6
    6-4
    4-1
    4-1
    9-6
    7-3
    2-1
    3-1
    3-1
    4-2
    8-7
    2-1
    8-5
    6-1
    4-3
    8-3

    I’m not saying you can win without any runs. I am saying that you can win with few runs if your pitching does its job.

  167. dan l September 2nd, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    Banuelos got hurt pitching in Northern NY State early in the spring in very cold weather. His mechanics are fine. As long as his arm is fine an it’s supposed to be then I like where he will be next year if he gained some much needed mental toughness from his struggles this year.

  168. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    Unless the seats are empty and lights are out in October the Yankee brass could give a sh*t.

    Why should they ?

    The coffers are still full.

    They’ll care when they’re not.

  169. Against All Odds September 2nd, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    Mac-

    You think Hughes, Nova, and Phelps all suck ?

    ————-

    Not suck but if you told fans back in 05/06 that although the farm would improve over the yrs they still aren’t where they should be in terms of it being a pipeline

  170. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    Anyone who is ready to pronounce a 20 yr. starter with Banuelos’s talent cooked because of one bad season should really see someone.

    ;)

  171. bruceb September 2nd, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    Tigers are serving it up to the White Sox this series. They’ve struggled all year but they’re turning it on when it matters.

  172. Bret The Hitman September 2nd, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    It’s September 2nd and the Yankees have the same record as the Oakland Athletics. They added Stephen Drew this year, Cespedes and Roddick in the winter.

  173. Bret The Hitman September 2nd, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    Reddick

  174. Against All Odds September 2nd, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    They have no Major League-ready young talent

    ———————-

    That seems to be the biggest problem of all. It’s almost as if they tried to go the Atlanta Brave route before the farm was actually ready to do that.

  175. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    AAO-

    It takes time and patience.

    Something in short supply in Yankeeland.

    Win now is great when you have a huge checkbook but not so good when it’s limited.

    It’s limited now. therefore things are gonna take more time.

    Comprendo ?

    ;)

  176. luis September 2nd, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 9:56 pm
    Luis-

    189 is like a straightjacket.

    The Yankees are unable or unwilling to use their usual financial edge.

    You can thank that commie bast*rd Bud Selig for that.

    Money works instantly. Development takes time.

    Time is hard to come by in Yankeeland.

    ==========================

    Right on MTU!

    This CBA was designed to screw the Yankees. The penalties for using their financial strength are very steep…We better get used to give time to our rookie players and forget about the quick fix for a while…To be honest, I like that they will have to spend time and effort developing their players…Fortunately, it is coinciding with the inevitable replacement of the old core, so in a way is forcing the FO to do it from within ( the right way IMO ) and not in the 80′s way…

  177. Against All Odds September 2nd, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    AAO-

    It takes time and patience.

    Something in short supply in Yankeeland.

    Win now is great when you have a huge checkbook but not so good when it’s limited.

    It’s limited now. therefore things are gonna take more time.

    Comprendo ?

    ;)

    —————–

    I understand but the truth is ppl are tired of waiting. Even die hard fans of the farm are thinking what’s going on with these players.

  178. blake September 2nd, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    I really don’t have much to say about that awfulness that was today’s game.

    Hughes pitches really well for 5 innings or so….really used that new slider (however I fear he may fall in love with it)….then it just looked like he hit a wall and lost a tick off his stuff and location.

    It makes me extremely irritated that the Yanks basically let Mark Reynolds (who is pretty terrible) beat them 2 games in this series.

    The offense couldn’t muster anything against Randy Wolf….so you deserve lose to when that happens…..all I can say is I hope Alex comes back hitting.

  179. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    They loaded up with P and C’s first.

    next with position guys.

    That was a conscious strategy.

    I don’t think it was a bad one.

    The next wave will hit the beach in another coupla years.

    Until then all they can do is make some strategic trades, or open up the checkbook again.

    That’s the reality.

  180. blake September 2nd, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    That come from behind win yesterday was so big….difference between being tied right now and still maintaining a 2 game lead.

    Yanks better start playing better baseball

  181. dan l September 2nd, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    You guys are being silly when talking about the farm system. The Yankees changed there drafting approach in 08 to high school kids. It takes more time for them to reach the big leagues. The first of the new wave is Brett Marshall who pitched very well this year in AA. He even lost time with TJ surgery. The Tampa rotation have been very good this year. The overall numbers have dipped lately but that is mostly from poor weather that messed up routines. I like Turley a lot and think Tracy was a good find last year who pitched well in AAA tonight.

  182. Against All Odds September 2nd, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    The next wave will hit the beach in another coupla years.

    ———————-

    They have to hit the beach and produce though. It’s like the Mets saying what for the kid pitchers to get here. But when they get here there has to be an adjustment period.

  183. Against All Odds September 2nd, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    wait not what

  184. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    AAO-

    Then I guess they’re gonna have just get used to it.

    Because it isn’t gonna change unless Hal opens his wallet again.

    And I don’t think he wants to.

    Perhaps he’ll be forced to. It won’t be voluntary IMO.

    Can’t say I blame him. The LT is onerous.

    I’d want to reset it too.

  185. dan l September 2nd, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    The CBA was designed to help the Yankees long term. If they can get under they will not have to pay revenue sharing. If all teams are under in 2016 there will be no money to divide up so smaller market teams will not be subsidized.

  186. Cashmoney September 2nd, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    i really like Bam’s repertoire the little i seen him in the spring… my concern is the injury he has sustain without operation could linger and his small frame.

    The Yanks are woefully offensive without their big guns and above avg with them. The pitching and hitting combo ought to be enough to get them into the playoff. I don’t think they go far though.

    On Cash and Fo, I think they do a decent job patching team to contend every year. But the landscape and budget has changed. I think there are others out there who can more creative and are better talent judger than Cmoney.

    The roster is getting old very fast… my whole contention is that you look at whole roster and try to project what lays ahead in making your decision in regard to fa and talent infusion. To me, Yanks need to look hard and think long on keeping Granderson and Swisher. Age and Talent might be going downhill in regard to Grandy. Swisher, for the lack of better term, can’t hit good pitching.

    I sincerely hope Cash and G are not dumb enough to give Martin a long term contract as starter, he is one woeful hitter to watch on a daily basis and also way overrated as good game caller.

    later y’all.

  187. Against All Odds September 2nd, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    Understood the tax is intense but they have been talking about lowering the payroll for yrs. Is it a coincidence Cashman changed the direction of the organization back in 05/06.

  188. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    AAO-

    No one can guarantee the success of MiLB players.

    It’s very difficult to make it to the Majors, and even harder to stay there and succeed.

    It’s a #’s game.

    Throw lot’s of talent at the wall and hope some of it sticks.

    That’s another reality unless you get to draft 1st each and every season.

    Even then.

    :)

  189. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    AAO-

    the way to tell if it’s a smokescreen is after they make it.

    If they refuse to spend even after the reset then you’ll know you’re right.

    Personally I think they’ll spend like wild hogs once they reset the tax.

    At least for a while.

    Until the next scheme comes along.

    The Yankees have a huge revenue stream. Greater than most if not all.

    NY is a huge city and a great baseball market.

    ;)

  190. Against All Odds September 2nd, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    Throw lot’s of talent at the wall and hope some of it sticks.

    ——————–

    They have been throwing a lot over the past couple of yrs.

  191. blake September 2nd, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    And please no.more Derek Lowe……goodnight

  192. Against All Odds September 2nd, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    They could spend like wild hogs. I just get the sense that they would rather not spend big after the reset and just hope the team is still competitive.

  193. luis September 2nd, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    dan,

    yeah…If that was the case, previous LT contracts should have been excluded from the mandatory cap…They weren’t, in order to prevent the yankees from having some payroll flexibility, even though those contracts were given on a totally different environment and rules…What about the cap in IFA?….or the hard slot draft money?…No. it was taylor made to prevent the Yankees to used their financial advantage.

  194. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    AAO-

    Like I said. There are no guarantees.

    Success often comes from unexpected places.

    Look at guys like Pujols. Or D-rob. or a million others.

    No team’s scouting system is perfect.

    It’s an inexact science.

    They all hit and miss.

    Some more than others.

  195. Against All Odds September 2nd, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    They have to start hitting soon though. Hell we all thought by now Hughes and Joba would anchor the top of the rotation.

  196. dan l September 2nd, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    The Yankees don’t give a crap about resetting the luxury tax threshold. It’s all about keeping as much of the half a billion they will be required pay in revenue sharing if they are not under 178 next year and 189 in 14 going forward through 16.

  197. bruceb September 2nd, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    Bad enough seeing this “win now” team collapse under the weight of injuries without turning on the MLB Network and seeing kids like Trout, Harper and Profar giving their clubs a new dimension. And according to Showalter, in his interview with Ed Randall on WFAN this morning, the Orioles have at least two young guns ready to pitch next season, Dylan Bundy being one of them. Who are we going to be throwing out their next year? Bartolo Colon once they piece him together again in the winter?

  198. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    AAO-

    They both suffered significant injuries.

    That’s another reason lot’s of talented guys fall by the wayside.

    There’s a whole host of factors.

    It’s not a simple or easy process.

    It takes patience, tons of hard work, and good fortune.

    How many ML players are there relative to the ones who never even make it ?

    Consider the odds.

    ;)

  199. bruceb September 2nd, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    “There,” not their. I am a grammarian after all.

  200. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Dan-

    I put forth the test to know.

    Until then it’s just speculation.

  201. luis September 2nd, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Odds,

    I don’t agree with you about the waiting…that’s part of relying on development…I do agree however in wondering if this FO is up for the job of renewing the core.

  202. Against All Odds September 2nd, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    luis September 2nd, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Odds,

    I don’t agree with you about the waiting…that’s part of relying on development…

    ———————-

    True. I just think some fans are at the point when they’re saying ok it’s time now. You’ve been at it for a while. Trust me I was on the other side of the argument yrs ago on another board. 2-3 yrs wasn’t enough time and that’s what I told ppl I debated with. But it’s yr 7 now going on 8.

  203. Against All Odds September 2nd, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    It’s not a simple or easy process.

    ——————-

    You’re right it’s not easy I’m just wondering if the FO is up for the challenge.

  204. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    I’m done preachin’. Believe what you will. That’s your right.

    I’m going hiking in the AM.

    I hope I shed some light on things.

    If not, I tried my best. I hope it was helpful.

    :)

  205. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    I’m good at hiking not so good at reading other people’s minds.

    :)

  206. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    I wish SJ were still here.

    He was much more eloquent than I at explaining these things.

  207. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    He really understood the Mgmt perspective.

    I learned a great deal from him.

  208. austinmac September 2nd, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    MTU,

    No, my point is when needs arose, other tha Phelps their was no help. No at bats for a rookie by September, especially with the needs from injuries, is a huge problem.

    They have no one likely ready next year either.that leaves dumpster diving. Cashman will spend his winter watching roster moves on other teams.

  209. Against All Odds September 2nd, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    It was a good discussion…always good to exchange ideas and opinions.

  210. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 2nd, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    luis – you need the balance in favor of pitching. If you disagree about the balance, then you can explain how the top 10 teams in offense are not the best teams in the majors by far but the top 10 teams in ERA basically are.

    You can use the word “balance” all you want, but if your pitching is not superior to your offense, you are the Sux, the Rockies, the Brewers, and the Jays (no offense j mills).

    Of the top 10 teams in offense, 3 are first-place teams, 2 are 2nd-place teams, 1 is a 3rd-place team, 2 are 4th-place teams, and 2 are last-place teams. The 7 teams not in first place are an average of 12.9 runs out of first place.

    Of the top 10 teams in ERA, 3 are first-place teams, 4 are 2nd-place teams, 2 are 3rd-place teams, and 1 is a last-place team. The 7 teams not in first place are an average of 7.6 runs out of first place.

    The balance shifts to the pitching. Do we need hitting? Sure thing. But we need our pitching to be better than our hitting. If the pitching does not do the job, it doesn’t matter what the offense does – because your opponents will outscore you most of the time.

    If SP doesn’t get on the stick and stop letting the other team score bunches of runs, it’s all over, I don’t care what your offense does.

    Here’s hoping both wake up soon!

  211. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    Mac-

    Then you are referring to positon help.

    That I can understand. they are behind the curve on that.

    But the reason is because they decided to rebuild the Pitching and catching first.

    The position guys are coming unfortunately not in time for this year.

    There has been bad luck involved too, i.e Romine, Heathcott.

    Williams, Santana, Flores, and Austin might represent a bumper crop.

    Just can’t be harvested now. And yes I know we need help now.

    No plan is perfect. it seems to me the Yankee’s one was well conceived.

    Pitching and Catching are the most val;uable and should be serviced first.

    No one foresaw Selig’s BS coming or maybe the strategy would have been different.

    I was disappointed they didn’t go harder in the Int’l market while they still had the chance.

  212. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 2nd, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    Oops. I meant games out of first, not runs out of first.

    :mrgreen:

  213. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 2nd, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    And with that I bid you a fond adieu. Here’s hoping that CC has a gem in him tomorrow and pitches a CG or close to it!

  214. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    The only plan that is perfect is the one that has never been tried, or God’s.

    Other than that they all stink.

    have good night.

    We still have a tomorrow. That’s got to be good.

    :)

  215. austinmac September 2nd, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    Luis,

    I agree moves are better than bad moves, and I have no idea what was available at the TD. But, what I do know is per Cashman is all moves depend on money. The team used to be willing to add regardless. Sadly, they have relinquished that advantage to others.

  216. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    Mac-

    Sometimes children pay for the sins of their Fathers, or brothers.

    Too many high priced contracts can hamstring a team as we all now know.

    The Yankees started at a higher plane and had to go down while others can add.

    That’s the difference. The new rules inhibit the Yankees more than most.

    They’re designed that way.

    :(

  217. austinmac September 2nd, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    MTU,

    I think they all saw the new CBA coming. Ultimately, it is their choice not to exceed it. They could have tried to deal with it by adding Cespedes or Soler. They could have spent more in international signings or in overslept drafting. Recently, others have done more of that.

    Now, they can’t do that for amateurs. Their chance passed and they chose not to spend themoney.

  218. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    Mac-

    If you read my post you saw I criticized them for that.

    I was disappointed by that but I guess they may have misjudged guys like Chapman, cespedes, and maybe even Soler.

    I do not think they saw the latest CBA coming but we can just agree to disagree on that one.

    They chose not to exceed because the penalties are onerous.

    I don’t blame them for that. I blame that on Selig for trying to apply socialism or communism to free enterprise.

    His ultimate quest to be fair.

    Bullhockey on that.

    :)

  219. Yanks78 September 2nd, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    Who cares if they are subsidizing other teams? That’s not going to make them pick higher in the draft, where the premium talent is.

    All revenue sharing does is give the Marlins the ability to overpay Jose Reyes or the Indians/Astros, etc. to pocket the money

    There will be better off spending on high quality talent, budget or revenue sharing be damned.

  220. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    Gotta get some sleep for tomorrow’s hike.

    See ya’ manana.

    :)

  221. austinmac September 2nd, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    MTU,

    Cano and Granderdon have great talent, but in the new day of salary limits I do wonder if the team can or should sign them to long term contracts.

    It is one thing for us to say only offer five or six years to Cano, but if that’s the case he’ll leave. Someone always offers overly long and expensive contracts.

    I wish I had a solution.

  222. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    mac-

    That’s why they pay them the big bucks and we just get to go hiking.

    :)

  223. austinmac September 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    MTU,

    My advice is worth every penny I am paid for it by the team.

  224. MTU September 2nd, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    Of course it is counselor.

    Night.

    ;)

  225. Duh Innings II September 2nd, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    A-Rod to the Cubs for Alfonso Soriano in the offseason.

    Theo could pawn off the last two years of A-Rod’s contract to an AL team in need of a DH.

    $114M A-Rod 2013-17 minus $54M 2013-15 Soriano =
    $60M cleared ($20M 2013-15 + $40M 2016-17.)

    If Theo declined that trade A-Rod is officially done and the Yanks might as well trade for an MLB-ready thirdbasemen, start him, and tell A-Rod accept a 60% buyout or be benched so if he refuses he’s the bad guy cuz he was warned.

    Time to play hardball with A-Rod. ‘Dude got a SECOND record contract and hasn’t lived up to it.

  226. Bronx Jeers September 2nd, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    Not that this late summer slide has been Girardis fault but when the chips are down his Captain Queeg act doesn’t help.

  227. sunny615 September 3rd, 2012 at 12:15 am

    This team sucks ass right now. Wildcard here we come. (If they’re lucky)

  228. Yanks78 September 3rd, 2012 at 12:45 am

    That 4 game sweep in Oakland was the beginning of the end.

  229. jacksquat September 3rd, 2012 at 1:21 am

    With Arod coming back tomorrow, at least it essentially means Ibanez moves to DH. Arod at 3B, Chavez to 1B, Swisher back to RF.

    Jeter – SS
    Swisher – RF
    Cano – 2B
    Arod – 3B
    Chavez – 1B
    Ibanez – DH
    Dickerson – CF
    Ichiro – LF
    Stewart – C

  230. PacoDooley September 3rd, 2012 at 5:43 am

    Duh Innings II September 2nd, 2012 at 11:25 pm
    A-Rod to the Cubs for Alfonso Soriano in the offseason.

    Time to play hardball with A-Rod. ‘Dude got a SECOND record contract and hasn’t lived up to it.

    —————————-

    Why would the cubs trade a bad contract for a worse contract? Makes absolutely no sense. Secondly, A-Rod signed a contract that the Yankees offered him. He was an idiot for opting out, especially the way he did it and the team never should have offered that much (since no one else was going to), but you cannot blame him for the situation. Finally, it is no mere coincidence that the team went into a downward spiral once he was out of the lineup. He was hitting well and playing very good defence when he went down, and they significantly shortened the lineup having to replace the 9th man with a bag of balls…

  231. Bret The Hitman September 3rd, 2012 at 7:37 am

    Speaking of Alfonso Soriano. He’s signed through 2013 and 2014 and profiles as a salary dump. Would you take him in RF as a stopgap if he only cost 7 million per year with the Cubs paying the rest? He’d hit 30 HR in Yankees Stadium.

  232. MTU September 3rd, 2012 at 7:41 am

    Good morning.

    The reason the Sux were able to offload their bad contracts is because they included something the Dodgers really wanted bad.

    Namely, Adrian Gonzalez.

    W/o him in the deal there would have been no deal.

    Personally I think the Dodgers were nuts to assume that many bad contracts and questionable players.

    So in order to offload A-Rod, etc. it might mean including someone like Cano in the deal.

    Anyone wanna do that ?

    I sure don’t.

    The Sux were desperate and apprently the Dodgers were too.

    To my mind the Sux got the better end of that one.

    ;)

  233. MTU September 3rd, 2012 at 7:43 am

    Bret-

    Just what we need another high K, poor contact, aging power hitter who fields poorly.

    No thanks. Not for me.

  234. Bret The Hitman September 3rd, 2012 at 7:49 am

    MTU,

    At this point, Alfonso Soriano looks like the right-handed version of Curtis Granderson though, another high K, poor contact guy who happens to cost twice as much as Soriano would cost.

    Would you want to trade away Granderson?

  235. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 7:52 am

    “p if he only cost 7 million per year with the Cubs paying the rest? He’d hit 30 HR in Yankees Stadium.”

    Id take him as an Andrew Jones replacement…..basically a 4th outfielder who DHs vs lefties if Theo absorbs almost all of his salary……otherwise no thanks……and actually his homers would.probably go down in YS from Wrigiley…..as hes a pull hitter that hits right handed.

  236. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 7:55 am

    Hopefully Arod hits when he comes back today

    Profar hit a homer yesteeday…..hes younger thaj Harper was when he got called up

  237. MTU September 3rd, 2012 at 7:56 am

    The Yankees could try to trade Grandy in the OS.

    Get one “A” type prospect for him.

    Trade for Upton or Choo. Move Hughes to do it if necessary.

    The OF would then be Upton/Choo, GGBG, and Swisher.

    Much better. Much younger.

    The other important change would be to make Martin disappear and to replace him w. someone who can actually hit.

    Not sure if the price or years would be right but I’d love have a guy like AJ Pierzynski behind the dish for a year or two.

    I’d like to know what Adams can offer as a 3b or SU guy.

    BP needs to be reconfigured for next year.

  238. MTU September 3rd, 2012 at 7:57 am

    Bret-

    See my post above. I’d sure dangle him to see who’s interested and for what.

    ;)

  239. Bret The Hitman September 3rd, 2012 at 7:58 am

    Soriano his batting .259. Granderson .235. Soriano’s career BA is .273 compared to Granderson’s .263. Soriano has 25 HR and is 7th in the NL in RBI with 85. Granderson has more HR but fewer RBI.

    So is Granderson an Andruw Jones replacement, basically a 4th outfielder who DH’s vs lefties for pennies?

    So these two hackers are so different that Yankees might give one a long-term deal at huge dollars but wouldn’t go 7 million short term on the other?

  240. Bret The Hitman September 3rd, 2012 at 8:02 am

    My argument is – they are the same player!

    I’d rather go short term with Soriano in RF and trade Granderson in the off season for prospects.

  241. MTU September 3rd, 2012 at 8:04 am

    Hughes/Banuelos, Nunez/Adams/Joseph, Williams/Austin/Flores/Santana, + for Upton

    Take your pick from those groups Kevin.

    ;)

  242. MTU September 3rd, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Bret-

    I’d rather get Upton or similar and ditch Grandy if necessary.

    Forget Soriano. he basically sucks.

  243. MTU September 3rd, 2012 at 8:07 am

    If this team really want to improve the OF next season they are going to have to trade for a young OF’er.

    There are none available thru FA.

    Get rid of Martin. That is addition by subtraction.

  244. Bret The Hitman September 3rd, 2012 at 8:07 am

    Soriano does not suck much more than Granderson though. And if we’re going to have a player like that in the lineup, I’d rather have one for half as cheap and get prospects on top of it for Granderson.

  245. MTU September 3rd, 2012 at 8:07 am

    New thread ——>

  246. MTU September 3rd, 2012 at 8:08 am

    I’m fine with neither being part of the equation.

    ;)


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