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Postgame notes: “Got to be a lot better”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Sep 03, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

When Alex Rodriguez slid across home plate, popped to his feet and clapped his hands together, the Yankees seemed to have something going. That fourth inning was a show of life from this team, a three-run rally that gave the Yankees a lead and gave them a chance to build some momentum. By the end of the game, that inning was a perfect backdrop for just how poorly they played the rest of the game.

Fourth inning: Three runs on four hits.
Rest of the game: No runs on one hit.
James Shields is very good, we all know this. So is Fernando Rodney. There’s the obligatory tip of the cap. Certainly good pitching had something to do with it, but this offense was lifeless today. There was productive energy in the fourth. Otherwise, there was nothing. The Yankees didn’t get another runner into scoring position until Eduardo Nunez pinch ran and stole second base in the ninth inning.

“We all gotta do what we do,” Alex Rodriguez said. “The way you come out of things like this is by doing the little things and if we focus on doing the little things and become master at those we don’t have to worry about big things. And hopefully we’re on our way.”

Fourth inning: Russell Martin hustled out a go-ahead infield single.
Rest of the game: Robinson Cano didn’t run on a dropped line drive and failed to dive on the winning hit.
That Martin hit really seemed to energize the Yankees bench, and it seemed to be a sign of just how badly they wanted this one. But in the top of the eighth inning, Cano hesitated when he thought a line drive had been caught by the third baseman. The dropped ball should have been an infield single, but Cano was thrown out by a step. In the bottom of the eighth, Cano failed to stop the game-winning single from getting into right field. If he’d at least knocked it down, the winning run might not have scored, but Cano didn’t get in front of it.

Taken individually, it’s easy to understand Cano stopping when he thought the line drive was caught, and it honestly looked like was going to make that play on the Gimenez grounder, but after a one-run loss like this — with the Yankees division lead growing smaller and smaller — it’s also easy to look back and second guess.

“Robbie’s so good for us,” Joe Girardi said. “He didn’t get (to the groundball), but I thought he was going to get there when I first saw it come off the bat. Maybe it got through quicker because it was on the turf. I don’t know. … You’ve got to try to do everything you can to stop it.”

Fourth inning: CC Sabathia pitches around a two-out double for a shutdown inning.
Rest of the game: Sabathia blew another lead and the bullpen took another loss.
Dave Robertson wasn’t hit hard, but he was hit enough to take the loss. It was another loss that hung on the bullpen, but that wasn’t the biggest pitching concern of the day. Just like in his previous start, Sabathia was given a lead and couldn’t hold it. He wasn’t terrible — three runs through seven innings — but he wasn’t dominant either, and Shields was certainly better. Sabathia held the lead for one inning, but a walk, single, double steal and RBI groundout let the Rays tie it in the fifth.

“It’s frustrating, especially after the last outing, not being able to hold the lead,” Sabathia said. “Today I’ve just got to be a lot better than I was. … I felt like my stuff was good, I just didn’t make pitches when I needed to. Got into some bad counts and didn’t make the right pitches.”

• There was some second guessing of Derek Jeter’s decision to throw to first, not home, on the game-tying ground out in the fifth. “What was there, nobody out?” Jeter said. “That would have been a tough one right there. Upton can run. If you don’t get him, you’re looking at two guys on and still nobody out. In that situation, what was it, the fifth, I think? You’ve got to go for the out.”

• Jeter did look home as if he were thinking about trying for the out at the plate. “I’m always looking,” Jeter said. “I looked up, but I didn’t think we had it. We maybe, possibly, could have had a chance, but in that situation, that inning, you don’t take a chance like that. Maybe in the 8th inning, 9th inning, something like that, it might have been a different story.”

• Rodriguez said his timing was good and he felt good in his first big league game since late July. “Overall, I felt good,” he said. “Again, it’s a process. Today was another step forward. Saw the ball well, hand felt good, and I liked the intensity the team played with today. And tomorrow’s another day.”

• Rodriguez struck out in his final at-bat against Rodney. “I’m thinking about, Rodney’s got great stuff, just get a good pitch to hit, put a good swing on it,” Rodriguez said. “He gave me two good pitches to hit and I fouled them back, and the rest is history.”

• Girardi didn’t seem upset at Cano for not running out of the box on that line drive that was dropped at third. “I think he thought he caught it, then he ran,” Girardi said. “That happens. Guys think a line drive is caught and then they kind of freeze.” If the Yankees weren’t in this situation — losing games and seeing their lead dwindle — it probably wouldn’t have been a big deal, but given this situation, it was ugly to see Cano miss out on a possible hit because he wasn’t hustling.

• Sabathia on the home run pitch to Upton: “Two seamer away. It was up and he put a good swing on it. … (Trying to go) down and away. Trying to get a ground ball. He was in a hitter’s count. Just trying to make a pitch and ended up leaving the ball out over the plate.”

• Sabathia has won just three of 17 starts against the Rays since coming to the Yankees. He has a 3.57 ERA in those starts, but he’s 3-7. Before coming the Yankees, Sabathia was a 7-1 with a 2.44 ERA in 11 career starts against the Rays (granted, those earlier Rays teams probably weren’t nearly as good).

• Robertson on his outing: “I felt like I didn’t have my best stuff but I felt like I had good enough stuff to be able to get three outs. It’s unfortunate today that I wasn’t able to do that. … I fell behind a couple of times. Still, you want to make one good pitch and be able to get the outs you need. It seemed like I just couldn’t make a good enough pitch. Balls were finding holes and they were getting through.”

• Curtis Granderson pinch hit and struck out in the ninth. If he’d reached base, Granderson would have been lifted for a pinch runner.

• No concerns about Ichiro Suzuki after his collision with Chris Dickerson. By the way, Dickerson is probably much bigger than most people realize. Dickerson was going to win that collision with no problem.

• Final word goes to Jeter: “Yea, right now (things are going bad), but you can change it. We beat some teams early on, right? Baseball’s a funny game, a funny sport. Sometimes you struggle a bit, and then all of a sudden, things seem to change and you roll off a lot of wins. Hopefully we start that tomorrow. … Still got to have confidence. Unfortunately you can’t win every day. You’d like to — he approach is to win every day — but you’re going to go through highs and lows. You still have to have confidence, and we have a lot of confidence.”

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284 Responses to “Postgame notes: “Got to be a lot better””

  1. Against All Odds September 3rd, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    Against All Odds September 3rd, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    Carlo September 3rd, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    Against – haha, yes, that’s the right order.

    ———————

    :)

    What’s the next question on guess which farm hand this is? Might as well have some fun with a tough loss today.

  2. J. Alfred Prufrock September 3rd, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    http://www.milb.com/news/artic.....8;sid=t567

    (Binghamton, NY) – Behind standout EL debuts from starting pitcher Nik Turley and outfielder Ramon Flores, the Trenton Thunder came from behind to finish the regular season with an 8-5 victory on Labor Day at NYSEG Stadium.

    Reading defeated Portland, 7-3, and clinched the wild card in the Eastern Division setting up a first-round playoff match up against the Thunder that will begin Wednesday night at 7:05 pm.

    Turley (1-0), promoted from Tampa and officially added to the Trenton roster shortly before game time, pitched five innings and allowed three runs on eight hits. Binghamton struck for two runs in the first and a run in the second to take a 3-0 lead, but the lefty settled down to hold the Mets off the board in the third, fourth and fifth frames.

    Flores, who also was added to the Thunder roster right before the game, hit a two-run opposite field home run in the fourth inning for his first Double-A hit. The blast to left came against Mets starter Gonzalez Germen (8-12) and cut the deficit to 3-2. He would go 2-for-4 with two RBI and two runs scored on the day.

  3. J. Alfred Prufrock September 3rd, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    Anyone else traveling to Reading, Pa. on Wednesday?

  4. Yankee Trader September 3rd, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    Fourth inning: Three runs on four hits.
    Rest of the game: No runs on one hit.
    ———————————–
    Sounds like yesterday’s and Saturdays games:

    4 runs on 4 hits Saturday
    3 runs on 3 hits by the 4th inning Sunday, 3 harmless hits the rest of the way.

    This could be a very interesting finish. Like Mad Max in Thunderdome-”Two men enter, one man leaves.”

    In this case Yankees, Orioles, Rays, White Sox, Tigers, Rangers, A’s and perhaps Angels enter-5 survive but only 4 teams leave!

  5. Carlo September 3rd, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    I wish I had more farmhand trivia for tonight but that’s it for now. If we lose tomorrow night I’m going to have to harken back to the hensley muelens era.

  6. Against All Odds September 3rd, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    Carlo September 3rd, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    I wish I had more farmhand trivia for tonight but that’s it for now. If we lose tomorrow night I’m going to have to harken back to the hensley muelens era
    ——————————–

    lol hilarious

  7. theREALkevin September 3rd, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    Chad, good job pointing out Cano not doing everything it took to knock that ball down in the 8th. That was obviously a very key play. Cano took it for granted that he could get there, and he didn’t.

    Nice to see the quote from Girardi about that play as well.

  8. Yankee Trader September 3rd, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    In the race to the bottom, it’s become harder by the day to figure out who cares less, the players, manager Bobby Valentine, or his bosses.

    Things got so bad this past weekend that Valentine not only showed up late to prepare for Friday’s game in Oakland, his players responded by losing 20-2.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/c.....1;mlb.html

    Does Valentine make it thru the last game of the season in NY against the Yankees, or does he take a separate plane home after the owners fire him in Seattle?

  9. CompassRosy September 3rd, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    ESPNCindyB
    Make it 7 straight #RedSox losses. #Mariners win behind J Vargas, gets his 14th W. M’s take it, 4-1. Bobby V’s hot seat gets even hotter.

  10. J. Alfred Prufrock September 3rd, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    The Red Sox were not going to be a threat this season, because they had no pitching. Sure, it’s merciful of heaven that they offer a whole ‘nother level of suck this year, but I’m not exactly holding my sides and laughing at them while I pat myself on the back because I have such a smart management team.

    I just don’t really care, I guess, about witnessing Valentine’s head rolling into a basket.

  11. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    They have to make the final sacrifice and fire Bobby V to save face to their nation of haters.

  12. MTU September 3rd, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    Niblick-

    Then we’d better start playing >.500 from here on out.

    If not we’re toast.

    Simple as that.

  13. J. Alfred Prufrock September 3rd, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    No offense YT and CR, I just feel kind of empty today and the Red Sox’s woes don’t fill me up.

    I am very glad to see Alex back with us, however. Maybe the time off will actually prove beneficial to him. He is 37 years old. Maybe he’s refreshed and can turn back the clock for a month or so.

  14. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    ….almost makes one want to weep. -sigh-

  15. Wave Your Hat September 3rd, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    Our guys scored 3 runs. The fact is, CC needed to allow only 2, but he didn’t get the job done.

  16. LGY September 3rd, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    The Yankees’ postseason hopes ride on CC. He needs to step it up and lead the pitching staff like he’s supposed to. The first year off his mega extension has been a bit worrisome.

    Also, it’s tough watching some Yankee fans fall back in love with Hughes after every string of good starts. It’s like one of your friends who continues to get back with that one girl who you know at some point will break his heart.

  17. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    CC has not been himself, don’t know why.
    Without him we go nowhere…

  18. Niblick September 3rd, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    Binder Joe is so deep in denial he’s about to drown himself.

  19. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    The Yanks have the potential to really shake this team up in the OS.
    Granderson, Nova, Hughes, even Joba are all trade chips that could bring something back.
    The question is: Who is smart enough to do the deals?

  20. MTU September 3rd, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    Stick Michael

  21. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    Stick is an old hand that could improve the situation if he’s still on top of things.
    Cash, indeed, might be in over his head at this point MTU.

  22. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    Problem will be Hal, as anyone good costs money.
    Look at CarGo:His contract escalates from 7.5 next year to 20m in 2017.

  23. Wave Your Hat September 3rd, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    I can’t stand to think about the off-season. The Yanks need to step up and win now. If they stick to the sub-$189M plan the future is now.

  24. MTU September 3rd, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    WYH-

    All they need do is play better than .500 the rest of the way and they should at least secure a WC spot.

    Can they do that ?

  25. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    WYH
    Don’t worry, Hal and Cash have had a sitdown and decided the farmhands will be ready for 2014.

  26. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    mtu
    we can win 10 straight again just like that.

  27. Niblick September 3rd, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    Mick – as long as they’re saddled with Arod and Tex (and that is a long time, given that they both have no-trade contracts), they can’t really shake the team up in a meaningful way. We’ve got to figure out how to encourage Arod and Tex to retire.

  28. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    So far the most significant thing the Yankees have done in the 2nd half is to help jump start the A’s rise up the standings.

  29. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    Tex would ok a no trade as would alex if it is in their best interests.

  30. jmills September 3rd, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    MTU – the Yanks can do it!

    Mick – thanks for all the music mon ami!

  31. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    I would give Eastwood (not Rawley) a call and get him to give a locker room pep talk to an empty chair…

  32. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    oh that was rawley eastwick not eastwood..

  33. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    mills-glad you enjoyd the concert, spur of the moment on a Sunday morn..

  34. Wave Your Hat September 3rd, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    MTU-

    I’m not sure .500 gets it done with the way Oakland is playing. If we lose the division lead, there’s so many teams in the mix. The Yanks need to win 4 of the next six. If they can do that, I think they’ll be OK.

  35. Niblick September 3rd, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    Stick is going to be 75 next year. His future is behind him, way behind him. Not what we need.

  36. jmills September 3rd, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    Shane Rawley was pretty good at times – Eastwood played for the Leafs but was traded to St. Louis for Tie Domi – go figure!

  37. Yankee Trader September 3rd, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    Still time to pull it out. Last 10 games are Twins[3], Blue Jays[4] away and Red Sox[3] at home.

    As far as the belt tightening it started this July and likely the team will want to get close to the 2013 season end LT of 42.5% of every dollar over 178M.

    IMO. there should be no hurry to play Granderson this series in Tampa-his numbers vs the Rays are sub Mendoza line and he is one definitely affected by the Maddon shift.

  38. joeman September 3rd, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    every game from here on out is a playoff game

  39. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    “I can’t stand to think about the off-season. The Yanks need to step up and win now. If they stick to the sub-$189M plan the future is now.”

    Cant imagine this lineup with no Swisher and perhaps a lesser version of Jeter……I never doubt the capn but he will be 39 next year and what if he doesnt you know lead the league in hits again?

    Could get ugly if they dont address it……its already kinda ugly

  40. jmills September 3rd, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    Mick,….you know music!

  41. joeman September 3rd, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    Yankee Trader September 3rd, 2012 at 7:54 pm
    Still time to pull it out. Last 10 games are Twins[3], Blue Jays[4] away and Red Sox[3] at home.

    As far as the belt tightening it started this July and likely the team will want to get close to the 2013 season end LT of 42.5% of every dollar over 178M.

    IMO. there should be no hurry to play Granderson this series in Tampa-his numbers vs the Rays are sub Mendoza line and he is one definitely affected by the Maddon shift.
    ———————–
    problem is they can’t be 3-4 games out and have two teams ahead of them before they get to that part of the schedule

  42. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Again the Yanks saving grace could be their schedule the last two weeks…..they play Toronto, the Twins, and Boston to end the seasoj…..of course theyhave to play better than this or it wont matter

  43. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    why does scutaro know how to win ballgames?

  44. Yankee Trader September 3rd, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    jmills-

    The Yankees can do it, but your Blue Jays are going to have to help out!

  45. joeman September 3rd, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    blake September 3rd, 2012 at 7:55 pm
    “I can’t stand to think about the off-season. The Yanks need to step up and win now. If they stick to the sub-$189M plan the future is now.”

    Cant imagine this lineup with no Swisher and perhaps a lesser version of Jeter……I never doubt the capn but he will be 39 next year and what if he doesnt you know lead the league in hits again?

    Could get ugly if they dont address it……its already kinda ugly
    ————————————–
    usually you are more upbeat about this team…so you see what I see

  46. jmills September 3rd, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    YT – you’re welcome to have all the games against the Jays as long as I get some seasoning! :)

  47. j9d September 3rd, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    I have the same feeling as Mick. I think there is something wrong with CC. He willed his way to giving up only 3 runs today against a poor hitting team. Something has been not right with him most of this year. I sort of almost hope this is the case so that he can rest/heal and come back next year as his old self.

  48. Tar September 3rd, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    “Also, it’s tough watching some Yankee fans fall back in love with Hughes after every string of good starts. It’s like one of your friends who continues to get back with that one girl who you know at some point will break his heart.”

    Good grief LGY. “it’s tough watching Yankee fans fall back in love with Hughes” Was this humor?

    It’s more like Hughes stole your girlfriend and you can’t get over it. Your hating on Hughes has reached the ridiculous stage.

  49. joeman September 3rd, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    j9d September 3rd, 2012 at 7:58 pm
    I have the same feeling as Mick. I think there is something wrong with CC. He willed his way to giving up only 3 runs today against a poor hitting team. Something has been not right with him most of this year. I sort of almost hope this is the case so that he can rest/heal and come back next year as his old self.
    ———————————
    lot of innings in that arm & at some point it doesn’t work the way it use to

  50. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    right now, Hal is asking Cash to look into the Boston scenario of unloading salary.
    I see Grandy as being the 1st casualty.
    Swish is next.
    Thats about 23m saved right there.
    You can get a lot of Ichibanez’ for that kind of dough.

  51. fantasygame101 September 3rd, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    3 runs will not cut it in a game 1 matchup against the opponent number 1.

  52. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    CC cannot overpower ppl anymore. His out pitch is that 87mph slider on the corner.
    Many innings on that arm and after all he got that extension, had to be a letdown.

  53. joeman September 3rd, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    Cano sits out the game tomorrow that is BS

  54. ButtSmacker September 3rd, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    Girardi didn’t seem upset at Cano for not running out of the box on that line drive that was dropped at third. “I think he thought he caught it, then he ran,” Girardi said. “That happens. Guys think a line drive is caught and then they kind of freeze.”
    ——————————————————
    What a cop out, leave it to Joe to make excuses for his players.

    In private he better have a different message for Robbie.

  55. j9d September 3rd, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    Joeman,

    Geez that would be the worst. I hope it’s not the case but he has been a workhorse for many years.

  56. Nick in SF September 3rd, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    90 wins won’t cut it. Have to get to 94. Have a good evening!

  57. Against All Odds September 3rd, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    Niblick September 3rd, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    Stick is going to be 75 next year. His future is behind him, way behind him. Not what we need.

    ————————-

    Need someone young and innovative

  58. Yankee Trader September 3rd, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    Mick-

    The Yankees will at least make a qualifying offer[13M] to Swisher to get a compensation pick.

    Are you suggesting they should buy out Granderson, or pick up his option and see if anything worthwhile can be traded for?

  59. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    90 wins won’t cut it. Have to get to 94. Have a good evening!
    =============
    Big Al?

  60. Against All Odds September 3rd, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    joeman September 3rd, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    j9d September 3rd, 2012 at 7:58 pm
    I have the same feeling as Mick. I think there is something wrong with CC. He willed his way to giving up only 3 runs today against a poor hitting team. Something has been not right with him most of this year. I sort of almost hope this is the case so that he can rest/heal and come back next year as his old self.
    ———————————
    lot of innings in that arm & at some point it doesn’t work the way it use to

    —————————–

    Hasn’t been the same since he flirted with the no no last yr

  61. joeman September 3rd, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    I also think Grandy & Swish are done with this team along with Martin & Hughes.. the infield is set just one more year older, would like to see them get a full time 3rd move Arod to DH …outfield will be new

  62. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    Are you suggesting they should buy out Granderson, or pick up his option and see if anything worthwhile can be traded for?
    ============
    Not suggesting I have a better alternative to Grandy but I bet Hal would love to dump that salary even though he is gone in 2014.
    He would put Gardy in CF.

  63. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    usually you are more upbeat about this team…so you see what I see”

    I usually am because they usually don’t play like this…..I’m really frustrated with several things about this club.

    I’m frustrated that their were obvious needs at the trade deadline in July and through August but yet the front office did nothing to address them…..

    I’m frustrated with the injuries and that the healthy players they do have are either being exposed or refuse to change their approaches at the plate.

    I’m frustrated watching Andrew Jones float around and smile every time he K’s or pops up….and I’m frustrated watching Cano jog to 1st base and not keep a ball on the infield that would have kept the go ahead run from scoring…..

    I’m frustrated that when the Yankees fall behind in a game I subconsciously worry that they can’t score any more runs and come back……

    And maybe mostly I’m frustrated that this team is looking like a bunch of entitled veteran players that just don’t care as much as the Rays and Orioles do……..(from the ownership right on down)

  64. Andymelillo September 3rd, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    Does it matter if they make the playoff could they beat any of the teams one an dkne liike last year in detroit adud struck out twice with the bases loaded don’t expect adud to carry the yankees on his back unless he is juicing

  65. beedogs September 3rd, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    It’s well past the point at which a well-run team would’ve fired Joe Girardi.

    It’ll be good to see him gone, whenever the front office gets a damned clue.

  66. Yankee Trader September 3rd, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    Joeman-

    I’m trying to stay upbeat, but if you ask me how I really feel about the Yankees getting into and advancing in the playoffs, I feel………………………………………………………………..
    nah I can’t go there! :)

  67. jmills September 3rd, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    Blake, please tell yourself it isn’t that bad. Things can appear better in the morning mon ami.

  68. UnKnown September 3rd, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    One thing that the injuries have really done is forced Chavez, Jones, and Ibanez to play a ton more then they were supposed to. Hence they seem burnt out.

  69. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    Costas today mentioned he thought players were still juicing but with a combo of testosterone and HGH which he thinks will not put up the numbers that the good stuff used to.

  70. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    I think the biggest thing for me is that I”m just not used to this type of team…..as a Yankee fan I’m used to some pitching issues…..they’ve been around for years and I’m used to losing games because of pitching sometimes…..

    I’m also used to feeling like our offense can always come back…..I’m used to feeling like we’re in every game because even if the Yanks were behind against a good pitcher there was always the chance they’d pound the opposing bullpen and then score 12 runs the next day for a comfortable blowout win……

    Basically I’m just not used to what I’m watching.

  71. Niblick September 3rd, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    I don’t see how Binder Joe survives a blown 10 game lead.

  72. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    and I hate the Cano is lazy narrative….I talk all the time about how I feel like it’s hogwash for the most part……but his effort today flat wasn’t good enough and if he wants to be the leader of this club once Derek is gone then that’s not going to fly…..

  73. Against All Odds September 3rd, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Tar September 3rd, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    “Also, it’s tough watching some Yankee fans fall back in love with Hughes after every string of good starts. It’s like one of your friends who continues to get back with that one girl who you know at some point will break his heart.”

    Good grief LGY. “it’s tough watching Yankee fans fall back in love with Hughes” Was this humor?

    It’s more like Hughes stole your girlfriend and you can’t get over it. Your hating on Hughes has reached the ridiculous stage.

    ——————

    I don’t want to speak for him but I don’t think he hates Hughes. I think he has a certain point of view that is the opposite of how others view him. LGY might not believe in Hughes long term because you get games like yesterday when a 3 run bomb changes the game. Yes a number of his HRs are solo shots but he can’t dodge that bullet forever. He’s a fly ball pitcher in a HR park so it’s going to be tough for him.

  74. Yankee Trader September 3rd, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Thanks Blake-

    Now for all your well thought out reasons, I’m frustrated. :(

  75. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    I’m also used to feeling like our offense can always come back…
    ===========================
    we are spoiled. but i would feel worse if they were doing this with the regulars intact.
    it eases the pain and frustration knowing these are replacement players due to injuries.

  76. NYY_Girl_Penny September 3rd, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    Arod, “i like the intensity the team played with” i mean its getting so comical what they say! Im always heRing how “confident” they are but ic they were you wouldnt hear it as frequently. The after game rhetoric is getting so bad that the BS is really stinking. Its all just excuse making poop!

    With that vented, my question is what do we do both short term and long term?

  77. waldo geraldo faldo September 3rd, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    Phil Hughes is a joke.

    It’s Kuroda and a 50% CC. And an overpaid, old age offense with a lazy 29 year old MVP 2B

  78. LGY September 3rd, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    Good grief LGY. “it’s tough watching Yankee fans fall back in love with Hughes” Was this humor?

    It’s more like Hughes stole your girlfriend and you can’t get over it. Your hating on Hughes has reached the ridiculous stage

    ———-

    This is exactly how my friend responds when I try to convince him not to get back with that girl.

  79. Against All Odds September 3rd, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    Niblick September 3rd, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    I don’t see how Binder Joe survives a blown 10 game lead.

    ————————

    Injuries

  80. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    Binder Joe isn’t playing the games and he didn’t put this team together…..it’s not his fault that Steve Pearce and Andrew Jones had to hit cleanup and the Orioles…..it’s not his fault that Granderson suddenly can’t hit a baseball with a bass fiddle…..it’s not his fault that Jones fell off the world…or that Cano can’t hit lefties anymore or that Tex and Alex are hurt….etc……

  81. Against All Odds September 3rd, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    LGY September 3rd, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    Good grief LGY. “it’s tough watching Yankee fans fall back in love with Hughes” Was this humor?

    It’s more like Hughes stole your girlfriend and you can’t get over it. Your hating on Hughes has reached the ridiculous stage

    ———-

    This is exactly how my friend responds when I try to convince him not to get back with that girl.

    ————-

    lol we have all been there….he will find out eventually

  82. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    but his effort today flat wasn’t good enough and if he wants to be the leader of this club once Derek is gone then that’s not going to fly…..
    ===========================
    cano doesn’t have the same type of leader mentality like jeter
    it’s like comparing arod to jeter-leader-wise.

  83. Niblick September 3rd, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    Against – that’s total absolute BS – every team has injuries. Winning managers overcome them. Losers use a binder.

  84. j9d September 3rd, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    This team might very well peak in the last half of September and carry that into the postseason. As e all know, it’s all about getting hot at the right time. As long as they don’t let it get out of hand in the first half of this month, I’d rather them peak late. But still feeling like soemthing is wrong with CC.

  85. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Hughes has been the Yankees 3rd best pitcher this year…..he was very good in his last 2 starts prior to yesterday…..he is what he is…..and if you forget about wishing him to be a #1 starter then he’s not bad……

    I’m more concerned that the Yankees couldn’t muster anything against Randy Wolf than I am about Hughes.

  86. Andymelillo September 3rd, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    The team fell apart when petite went down the pitching hasn’t been the same the hitting in scoreing was the worst in baseball with tex an adud /arod in the lineup actually without them risp got better

  87. joeman September 3rd, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    but manager joe had two shots today with a runner on first with no outs and didn’t even try to move the runner over with a bunt where scoring one more run would have been huge

  88. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    I’m more concerned that the Yankees couldn’t muster anything against Randy Wolf
    ===============
    Haven’t you heard of the soft-tossing- never- faced- before- lefty in the Stadium theory?

  89. joeman September 3rd, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    blake September 3rd, 2012 at 8:22 pm
    Hughes has been the Yankees 3rd best pitcher this year…..he was very good in his last 2 starts prior to yesterday…..he is what he is…..and if you forget about wishing him to be a #1 starter then he’s not bad……

    I’m more concerned that the Yankees couldn’t muster anything against Randy Wolf than I am about Hughes.

    ———————————–
    he needs to pitch in Citi field or Petco

  90. jmills September 3rd, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    rtsp://v3.cache2.c.youtube.com/CjYLENy73wIaLQl1Gmq2IP_jQBMYJCAkFEIJbXYtZ29vZ2xlSARSBXdhdGNoYMjXib6Cu7CKUAw=/0/0/0/video.3gp

    Enjoy Villeneuve Yankee fans!

  91. Against All Odds September 3rd, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    my question is what do we do both short term and long term?

    ———————-

    Short term: Play better, fight through the injuries, and play with some emotion and purpose

    Long term: Import some bats. Yankees don’t have guys like Harper or Trout but where is our young player with their type of attitude. The thing about youth is it provides energy and life. You see Harper play and you think damn you’re only 19 yrs old and you play like a vet. He has a Pete Rose mentality.

  92. beedogs September 3rd, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    It is completely pathetic that this team is falling apart around us and the best we can do is talk about how crappy the Red Sox are. WHO CARES.

  93. joeman September 3rd, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    should have been Cano’s homerun derby pitcher

  94. Yankee Trader September 3rd, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    After they real off 10 straight wins, go into the playoffs as the number one seed, advance to the WS and surprise a lot of naysayers with a 4-0 win over the NL champs, getting the GM named Manager of the Year,…………………………………………………… the A’s and Billy Beane will have another movie made about them.

    Gotta go.
    Night all.

  95. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    but manager joe had two shots today with a runner on first with no outs and didn’t even try to move the runner over with a bunt where scoring one more run would have been huge
    ==================
    joe is not a small ball mgr, he admitted he brought Jones up for the 2 run HR batting for a hot Dickerson. how do you admit to such a thing?

  96. Andymelillo September 3rd, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    Jeter needs to fire up the team an become the captain conjure up the spirit of thurman munson an babe ruth if he wants to be consider the best yankee ever explode yell become billy martin because giradi wont

  97. Against All Odds September 3rd, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    Niblick September 3rd, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    Against – that’s total absolute BS – every team has injuries. Winning managers overcome them. Losers use a binder.

    ————————

    It might be total BS but that’s what they will say or at least hint at.

  98. joeman September 3rd, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    beedogs September 3rd, 2012 at 8:26 pm
    It is completely pathetic that this team is falling apart around us and the best we can do is talk about how crappy the Red Sox are. WHO CARES.

    —————————————-
    and if this season continues the way it’s going Bos Fans will be all over the Yankee fans

  99. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    A silver lining from the stretch could be that the Yankees finally see that this team needs some retooling in the winter….it that happens then maybe some good will come from it.

    Unfortunately the most likely outcome will be an Ichiro/old dude platoon in RF and an Ibanez/old dude platoon at DH and the assurance that better health will make it all better in 2013.

  100. longtimefan September 3rd, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    Lets be honest, this is essentially the same team as 2011 and we all know what happened then, no offense and out in first round, basically changes in team structure were not made so we can’t expect different results–Girardi could stop making excuses for some of these guys and make some changes but that is not his style so all we can hope for is to make the post season and then hold our breaths.

  101. joeman September 3rd, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    mick September 3rd, 2012 at 8:26 pm
    but manager joe had two shots today with a runner on first with no outs and didn’t even try to move the runner over with a bunt where scoring one more run would have been huge
    ==================
    joe is not a small ball mgr, he admitted he brought Jones up for the 2 run HR batting for a hot Dickerson. how do you admit to such a thing?

    ————————————
    when you play playoff like games ( like these are) you need to play small when every run is large

  102. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    and if this season continues the way it’s going Bos Fans will be all over the Yankee fans
    ===================
    their heads are so far up their arses you would never hear them.

  103. Tar September 3rd, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    Having Swish bunt was not the right move. I didn’t see the other case.

    LGY
    BTW

    There is a good reason your friend keeps going back to the one he knows will break his heart.
    You only live once :D

  104. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    when you play playoff like games ( like these are) you need to play small when every run is large
    ================
    you got the job

  105. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    Andymelillo September 3rd, 2012 at 8:27 pm
    Jeter needs to fire up the team an become the captain conjure up the spirit of thurman munson an babe ruth if he wants to be consider the best yankee ever explode yell become billy martin because giradi wont

    he might be in the clubhouse…..we don’t know….Jeter is never going to do any of that stuff public ally…..thats what the Red Sox do.

  106. joeman September 3rd, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    would really like to see sweet Lou manage this team

  107. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    Maybe sweaty Freddy will come up big tomorrow

  108. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    sweet lou doesn’t want the aggravation

  109. Andymelillo September 3rd, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    We as yankee fans we aren’t quitters we have the pasion to try to will this team to victory but we need giradi to grow some an motivate

  110. joeman September 3rd, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    mick September 3rd, 2012 at 8:32 pm
    when you play playoff like games ( like these are) you need to play small when every run is large
    ================
    you got the job

    ————————
    yep….wait for the two run homer

  111. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    just look at the job bobby v has done and it will make girardi look a lot better

  112. joeman September 3rd, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    mick September 3rd, 2012 at 8:35 pm
    sweet lou doesn’t want the aggravation
    ————————————
    did you just ask him…wtf

  113. waldo geraldo faldo September 3rd, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    Girardi has the excuse of injuries, so he isnt going anywhere unfortunately.

  114. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    did you listen to lou today, he just got home from the beach..

  115. joeman September 3rd, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    mick September 3rd, 2012 at 8:36 pm
    just look at the job bobby v has done and it will make girardi look a lot better

    ————————————
    that team quit on him a long time ago…

  116. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    he inspired it…bad mouthed youk…same thing would happen here.

  117. Carlo September 3rd, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    I don’t feel differently no matter who is in the batters box. I literally see an orgy of outs after jeters spot in the lineup. 5% chance of a solo home run, 95% chance of an out.

  118. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    meanwhile you don’t hear a thing from cash or hal, where are they?
    not their style?

  119. joeman September 3rd, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    waldo geraldo faldo September 3rd, 2012 at 8:37 pm
    Girardi has the excuse of injuries, so he isnt going anywhere unfortunately.

    ——————————————————————

    Boston had injuries and the team quit…..

  120. waldo geraldo faldo September 3rd, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    Our team has basically quit too, joeman.

  121. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    “I literally see an orgy of outs after jeters spot in the lineup. 5% chance of a solo home run, 95% chance of an out.”

    Thats ridiculous …..they walk sometimes too.

  122. Benny Blanco September 3rd, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    freddy on the hill? Good lord!

  123. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    for all the buffoonery george wanted to win so bad it hurt him like a fan and he tried things,
    these guys do nothing…

  124. austinmac September 3rd, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    Blake,

    I share in your frustrations. It starts from the top. When the front office shows no inclination to do what it takes to win, the players get a message. George, for all his flaws, always showed his desire to win. When they had needs, they tried to fill them. I miss that. The team misses that.

    The team and fans often seem to feel self entitled and the Yankees will always contend. In my view, that day is at an end absent significantly altered thinking.

  125. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    “meanwhile you don’t hear a thing from cash or hal, where are they?”

    I wonder if Hal knows they lost?

  126. joeman September 3rd, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    waldo geraldo faldo September 3rd, 2012 at 8:41 pm
    Our team has basically quit too, joeman.
    —————————————-
    I don’t believe that…

  127. Andymelillo September 3rd, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    I understand that but I don’t think jeter should be voicerous leader now its time to chop heads time to scream an explode that’s not his character it sink or swim time giradi can say their proffesional they no what to do that’s not working blake

  128. mick September 3rd, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    that day is at an end absent significantly altered thinking.
    =============
    mac-
    at least we had our run….sorry for the new fans who might have to go thru the pain we did.

  129. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    Mac,

    I agree…..and Ive said similar things…..for all the dumb stuff George did I knew if the Yanks lost he was even more pissed than I was…..and I liked that…..

  130. waldo geraldo faldo September 3rd, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    Let Swisher walk in the offseason, seriously look into trading Granderson for prospects, and seriously shop Cano to try and get another young ace pitcher like Kershaw, Hamels, Felix etc. (Since the Yankees cant develop SP on their own), resign Kuroda. That’s just a start.

  131. Carlo September 3rd, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    Our team didn’t quit. NfW this team quit and they won’t. They just aren’t very good players.

  132. UnKnown September 3rd, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    Who goes Game 1 CC or Kuroda?

    Also I think it is important to line Hughes up at home in the Playoffs.

    Maybe if we think about October baseball a lot we can mind warp the Yankees there.

  133. Niblick September 3rd, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    Unknown? Game 1 of what?

  134. Benny Blanco September 3rd, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    I’m still shocked that Hughes has given up 32 hr’s that’s absurd. The curse of AJ lives. :)

  135. Against All Odds September 3rd, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    You’re not getting Cano for any of those pitchers. Hamels just re-signed with the Phils.

  136. UnKnown September 3rd, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Niblick – C’mon now.

  137. Against All Odds September 3rd, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    blake September 3rd, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    “meanwhile you don’t hear a thing from cash or hal, where are they?”

    I wonder if Hal knows they lost?

    ——————

    Cash: Well we lost today
    Hal: But we can still win the division or make it in the one game playoff

  138. Tar September 3rd, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Some of you are giving up on this season way to soon.

    The team you have watched over the last month, is not the same team that will play the last 20 games. Injuries are not just a crutch that managers and teams use as an excuse for poor play.

    I still like our chances.

  139. austinmac September 3rd, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    Blake,

    Frankly, you and I have been singing a similar song for some time. It has seemed pretty obvious that had an international opportunity and declined, they could have tried to upgrade at the deadline but went the cheap route.

    The last time they stressed economics over wins, it didn’t go well. I hope they don’t go that direction.

  140. Carlo September 3rd, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    Swisher has be allowed to walk. Same as Ibanez, jones, swisher, grandy and even tex/martin to an extent. Sure they will hit one here and there….but unproductive too often.

  141. Against All Odds September 3rd, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    they could have tried to upgrade at the deadline but went the cheap route

    ————-

    Someone made a point on another board. The Yankees seem to rely to much on the belief that getting an injured player off the DL is like making a trade. Do you think that’s the case?

  142. bruceb September 3rd, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    There are optimists and pessimists on this blog each and every day…and then there are the realists.

    The optimists still believe the Yankees will win the division.

    The pessimists doubt they will win the division but pray that somehow they do.

    The realists understand that unless there’s a minor miracle and A-Rod, Tex and Grandy come back firing on all cylinders (and soon), the offensive output by this team is not going to be enough to win either the division or the wild card.

    Sure sucks being a pessimist AND a realist, I can tell you!

  143. Against All Odds September 3rd, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    Too not to

  144. Tar September 3rd, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    “The Yankees seem to rely to much on the belief that getting an injured player off the DL is like making a trade. Do you think that’s the case?”

    I do.

    There’s been way too much Mcgahee, Nix, Pearce, Ibanez, Jones, Lowe etc.

    Not enough Alex, Tex and Andy.

  145. UnKnown September 3rd, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    Anyone hear an update on Longo? He left the game early today.

  146. Tar September 3rd, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    “The realists understand that unless there’s a minor miracle and A-Rod, Tex and Grandy come back firing on all cylinders (and soon), the offensive output by this team is not going to be enough to win either the division or the wild card.”

    It’s not going to be easy, but it’s also not going to take a miracle to have players of that caliber help this team win games down the stretch. There is a reason this team is still in first place.

    Hold on, get healthy, get hot at the end. Recipe for a championship. :D

  147. Andymelillo September 3rd, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    I miss george he would tell it how it was an speak for the new york fan I wish we as yankees let are anger get heard I don’t think the sons don’t care we want to hear from them

  148. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    “The Yankees seem to rely to much on the belief that getting an injured player off the DL is like making a trade. Do you think that’s the case?”

    when you needed help before said player got hurt….no not really.

    “Frankly, you and I have been singing a similar song for some time”

    they must not like our singing

  149. austinmac September 3rd, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    I was calling for offensive upgrade to get more balance before in June. In a tight game the Rays and other teams have more ways to score. They need and have needed more hitters who can hit for average. They need speed. They need leadership who is willing to upgrade.

  150. jacksquat September 3rd, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    Someone made a point on another board. The Yankees seem to rely to much on the belief that getting an injured player off the DL is like making a trade. Do you think that’s the case?

    Sort of.

    Before all the injuries, starting with Pettitte, the Yankees were rolling. Having 2-3 of your top 6 hitters out hurts any team, even if they weren’t performing as well as we hoped and expected.

  151. Bo knows September 3rd, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    I understand that but I don’t think jeter should be voicerous leader now its time to chop heads time to scream an explode that’s not his character it sink or swim time giradi can say their proffesional they no what to do that’s not working blake

    ———
    What the hell is a voicerous?

    Did you actually say something?

    The whole string of words sound like a debile mouthing in a vacuum.

  152. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    if they let Swisher walk and won’t sign or trade for a legit replacement then I’d rather see Flores or Austin in RF next year than another stop gap situation……

    I think Yankee fans are hungry to watch some players that have a chance to get better….not ones that likely will only get worse.

  153. waldo geraldo faldo September 3rd, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    This team has talented players. They just dont care. We see all too often with Swish, Cano. Too many guys guessing pitches and swinging at slop like Granderson, Ichiro.

    These are the position players that care. Derek, Alex, Teixeira despite his struggles, Russell despite his poor average. Chavez, Ibanez despite his sucking.

    Andruw isn’t good and he doesn’t care either.

  154. Andymelillo September 3rd, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    Someone has to light a fire under them who on that team can fire them chavez is the onlyone thay seems voiceourse giradi should destroy the clubhouse then give the bill to the sons

  155. Tar September 3rd, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    Does anybody think the Rays or the O’s are better, than a healthy Yankee team?

    I know I don’t.

  156. austinmac September 3rd, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    Tar,

    We’re all for it. Please get some key hits and key outs. Score from second on hits. Stop walking lead off hitters. Score a runner at third with less than two outs. Then, we can be happy.

  157. waldo geraldo faldo September 3rd, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    Essentially, I have no desire to see Swisher, Granderson, Ichiro and Cano next year. They take for granted the honor of getting to wear Yankees pinstripes. I want people in here that know what they’re playing for.

    Ibanez, despite sucking and being 60 years old, busts his ass out of the box every time.

  158. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    “Does anybody think the Rays or the O’s are better, than a healthy Yankee team?”

    I don’t….but it usually doesn’t matter who is better so much as who plays better.

  159. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    The Yankees don’t need to trade Cano…..they don’t need to trade their best player in his prime….they need to add more good players that are in their primes.

  160. waldo geraldo faldo September 3rd, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    I am not saying they need to trade Cano. I would like them to trade Cano for an elite young SP, if possible. I dont ever want to see his face again, his smile again, his laugh again.

  161. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    They need offense more than pitching…..

  162. Tar September 3rd, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    Mac

    I see all the flaws, and I agree with your take. But it looks a whole lot worse right now because we’ve been watching impostors for at least a month now.

    When healthy, this team can beat anybody.

  163. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    and the type of starters that are young and elite aren’t available….Felix, Verlander, Kershaw etc…..

  164. austinmac September 3rd, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    I do hope the team is seeing Ichiro is not a RF option for next year. Either improve the position or go young and have someone develop. I agree repeatedly adding players on the wrong side of their careers is cheap but unproductive.

  165. Andymelillo September 3rd, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    I wonder what george would do to make urgecy in this team

  166. Tar September 3rd, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    “I don’t….but it usually doesn’t matter who is better so much as who plays better.”

    Agreed. But I will add who plays better at the right time.

    The Yankees are still in 1st and have at least two key players coming back. Plenty of time to play better.

  167. Against All Odds September 3rd, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    Thanks for the feedback guys. Blake is right they need to add more players in their prime or at least trending towards it. They should also examine how they build the bench. Nothing is wrong with having one or two vets but the entire bench shouldn’t be vets. When you have old guys replacing old guys the back ups are bound to get tired/ hurt.

  168. MTU September 3rd, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    Mr. Murphy took over this season.

    SOB.

    :(

  169. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    Tar,

    very true….they just have to weather this storm and hopefully they can.

  170. Bo knows September 3rd, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    They need offense more than pitching…..

    ——-
    Amen.

    More, they need a course on “The Mighty Changeup”. Change speeds and they’re “done like dinner”. I actually groaned when Granderson pinch hit.

    Speaking of imposters “Where the hell is the Yankees CF”?

  171. Against All Odds September 3rd, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    waldo geraldo faldo September 3rd, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    I am not saying they need to trade Cano. I would like them to trade Cano for an elite young SP, if possible. I dont ever want to see his face again, his smile again, his laugh again

    ———–

    Smh it’s not that bad. Besides if you trade Cano you’re in a worse situation going forward. You aren’t getting a big time player for one yr of Robbie

  172. Andymelillo September 3rd, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    I think cano should be fined an give him aweek off to show the what happens if u don’t hustle their has to be discipline an order

  173. waldo geraldo faldo September 3rd, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    I know they need offense more than pitching. But IMO, given the Yankees failure to develop SP, I think we should at the very least, try to dump Cano for one.

  174. MTU September 3rd, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    A fall in the OF.

    A half-gainer off of a trampoline.

    A comebacker that finds bone.

    A Pitch too far inside.

    All freak injuries.

    Plain bad luck.

  175. joecembrale September 3rd, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    Miguel Cabrera scares the hell out people when he is with the game on the line; Big Popi stills scares the hell out of people when he is up with the game on the line; Robinson Cano scares sno one. I was at the day game thursday and not only does he not run out balls,nthere was a play at second where a slap tage might have gor the runner on the throw from Ichiro. Robinson Cano doesnt do slap tags, he tries to catch the ball a spin homself around to make the tag. He dropped the ball. Robbie Cano doesnt run out ground balls, Derek Jeter. Can anyone really name a memorable at bat Cano has had in the playoffs?

  176. MTU September 3rd, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    And dive into oblivion for a whole season.

    I almost forgot that one.

    And a shoulder that quit.

    Freaky stuff.

  177. Against All Odds September 3rd, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    Dump him for who the guys you want aren’t available.

  178. MTU September 3rd, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Change can and will be considered in the OS.

  179. bruceb September 3rd, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Does anybody think the Rays or the O’s are better, than a healthy Yankee team?

    I know I don’t.

    The key to this question is the word “healthy.” We’re not going to have a completely healthy team between now and the end of the season. ARod is going to need time. So is Tex when he gets back. Grandy is clearly not 100 percent and now Cano has a hip problem (as well as a brain problem).

    If the Yankees were healthy, the division would probably be over by now. But they’re not and by the end of this road trip the hole they’ve dug for themselves could be too big.

    Can’t see them winning more than two of the next six games and you can guarantee that the Sox will suddenly come back to life when we visit Fenway. A 2-8 or even 3-7 road trip could well be insurmountable.

  180. Tar September 3rd, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    MTU

    How about a wrestling match with a box.

  181. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    The only way I’d trade Cano is if Seattle wanted to give me Felix and Ackley….or if the Dodgers wanted to give me Kershaw and Hanley…..or something like that….stuff that won’t happen.

    It would just be incredibly hard to get fair value for him…..

    They need to trade for Justin Upton………they need another prime aged star talent hitter in their lineup….

  182. MTU September 3rd, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    Tar-

    Yeah. That one too.

    :)

  183. Against All Odds September 3rd, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Cano was basically one of the few players that hit against the Rangers in the 2010 alcs. He had a big hit against the Tigers at the stadium last yr in the PS.

  184. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    I’d also try to get Ortiz to sign a 1 year deal.

  185. MTU September 3rd, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    I think the one that absolutely hurt the most IMO was AP.

    Losing him disrupted the force.

  186. MTU September 3rd, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    Blake-

    Mr. Milkshake will never wear pinstripes.

    ;)

  187. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    MTU,

    probably not….but he can still hit.

  188. sunny615 September 3rd, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    Scuffling like crazy.

  189. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    I would love to know what the Padres asked for for Headley

  190. igotid88 September 3rd, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    joeman September 3rd, 2012 at 8:25 pm
    blake September 3rd, 2012 at 8:22 pm
    Hughes has been the Yankees 3rd best pitcher this year…..he was very good in his last 2 starts prior to yesterday…..he is what he is…..and if you forget about wishing him to be a #1 starter then he’s not bad……

    I’m more concerned that the Yankees couldn’t muster anything against Randy Wolf than I am about Hughes.

    ———————————–
    he needs to pitch in Citi field or Petco

    ———————————

    He’s 10-4 3.56 e.r.a. .240 baa 1.17 w.h.i.p at home

  191. joecembrale September 3rd, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    Can someone explain the 2014 yankee roster to me? The one that is under 189M? CC, Arod, Tex and Jeter make up a litlle over 90M. That leave riughly100M. Do we sign Swish, Granderson, Cano. If that is the case, we are going to have a lot of low rent roster fodder if that is the case. Swisher is said to be looking for Jason Werth money. Bye. Cano’s salasry at six years for 150 would eat up a lot of salary room. He just is not worth it.

  192. Tar September 3rd, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    “We’re not going to have a completely healthy team between now and the end of the season.”

    This is debatable.

    Alex is back and has time to re-gain his stroke. The time off may end up doing him good. Tex will not miss that much time and will be fine. Andy I’m a little concerned about, but I should know better than to doubt Andy! I also think the time off will Nova a world of good. I think he was tired, mentally and physically. That makes this team profoundly different than what they have been running out there.

  193. MTU September 3rd, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    The Yankees, Jays, and Sux sustained massive injuries.

    Only the Yankees were left standing.

    That is a tribute to their depth.

  194. Andymelillo September 3rd, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    Yankee fans want to trade this player that player the yankees have to learn to win with 200 mil payroll if they can’t win with alex jeter granderson cano swisher an ichiro somethings wrong it started when they got rif of melky an austin jackson melky had 8 walkoff austin woul of been leadoff that mega trade after winning champion an got rid of ian kennedy

  195. Against All Odds September 3rd, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    They aren’t deep enough on the farm to do this so it won’t happen but if they could get JU and Headley, call up Adams to play, and make Alex the full time DH it would be a big step in the right direction. The 2013 offense would be drastically better.

  196. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    MTU,

    That’s true….and that is something to consider…..it’s still frustrating.

  197. blake September 3rd, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    “They aren’t deep enough on the farm to do this so it won’t happen but if they could get JU and Headley, call up Adams to play, and make Alex the full time DH it would be a big step in the right direction. The 2013 offense would be drastically better.”

    there we go!. But yea….they’d have to move big pieces off the big league roster to pull off something like that most likely.

  198. MTU September 3rd, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    Blake-

    It is. No doubt.

    Can’t help but wonder how good this team might have been if they managed to avoid some of them.

    Been a little more fortunate.

    ;)

  199. Shame Spencer September 3rd, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    With 28 games left.. we basically have 10-15 to get this team clicking on all cylinders.

    In all likelihood, we won’t be by the time the playoffs begin but I do still think we’ll make it to that point. Hopefully we’ll at least be trending in the right direction by that point.

  200. MTU September 3rd, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    Getting pettitte and nova back healthy and picthing well would sure help.

    Especially Andy.

    He changes equations.

    ;)

  201. Shame Spencer September 3rd, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    I’d worry less about the pitching if our offense was better lol ;)

    But that’s probably the paramount concern.. CC has been a little off this whole season, IMO, but he still keeps you in games. Kuroda does the same and usually gives you innings. Everything beyond that is a question mark. I want Hughes to be awesome but the HRs are killers. Again.. it wouldnt be so bad if we could trust our offense more. I hated seeing Jones called in to PH the other day over Dickerson lol. The less that dude plays down the stretch the better.

  202. MTU September 3rd, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    All I can say is God bless Hiroki.

    He may have saved our season.

    Where would be w/o his contribution ?

    ;)

  203. Against All Odds September 3rd, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    @ Blake yep pieces in the ML team would have to be moved so it’s a pipe dream but boy would it help. Cano, JU, AS and Chase with Adams being a solid piece moving forward.

  204. Against All Odds September 3rd, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    On.not in

    Moving forward …..would be deadly and set them up nicely

  205. Tar September 3rd, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    “With 28 games left.. we basically have 10-15 to get this team clicking on all cylinders.”

    There you go. That is doable.

    Hopefully Tex will be back this week. Any timetable on Andy or Nova?

  206. MTU September 3rd, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    Shame-

    The O has not worked out as hoped and should have been bolstered more.

    losing GGBG, and A-rod did not help matters.

    Martin has been a huge disappoinment and Grandy has regressed.

    Those were somewhat unforseen.

  207. Shame Spencer September 3rd, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    I think (hope?) 28 games is enough to give Alex time to get his swing in order.

    Tex coming back helps a lot because it pushes Swisher back to the OF were he belongs. Getting Andy back would be absolutely incredibly but to me he, in a playoff game, is just as much of a ? as a guy like Hughes. Andy could throw some good innings before the playoffs start but he’ll still be just getting his stuff/timing back.

  208. MTU September 3rd, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    I never underestimate AP.

    He’s grit personified.

  209. waldo geraldo faldo September 3rd, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    I don’t know that Kershaw and other starters are not available at the right price. Cano plus others could get someone. The Mariners have loads of SP in the minors, they lack hitting. They could use Cano if he agrees to sign long-term with them.

  210. waldo geraldo faldo September 3rd, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    If Cano had the competitive fire of Pettitte, he’d be the greatest player in baseball by far.

  211. Shame Spencer September 3rd, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    MTU – Agreed.. we’ve all been talking about it since the moment the rosters were set and it was clear we weren’t making any other major moves. Over the full season, I can’t say they’ve done a lot to assuage those fears. Most of us have also acknowledged that this O could do well during a season, but will be sorely tested in the playoffs – in a few weeks time we’ll see if we had a valid reason to be concerned.

  212. joecembrale September 3rd, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    If Cano had the competitive fire of Sara Jessica Parker, he’d be the greatest player in baseball by far.

  213. MTU September 3rd, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    Shame-

    With as badly as the Yankees have been playing for a while just making the playoffs would seem to be an achievement.

    Let’s just get in and we’ll see what happens.

  214. Shame Spencer September 3rd, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    The Gardner thing just bothers me because I had a feeling he was having way too many setbacks and that he couldn’t be counted on for the season at a certain point (I think I was saying this by June – he had been hurt in April and was supposed to be back in a couple weeks IIRC).. I don’t get how the medical staff and front office don’t have those conversations. I guess they do because they know all the treatments/tests these guys are receiving, but how could you take a chance on something where the outlook looked so ominous? That bothered me. Because it seemed like an obvious place to make an upgrade. But they are probably trying to gauge things for this off season as well, or maybe they did try to make a move and just couldn’t do anything that worked. Who knows. Its just hard to include Gardner in the list of issues we’ve had because they had so much time to work on replacing him….

  215. MTU September 3rd, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    GGBG’s injury was certainly a strange one.

    Still not sure they ever figured it out.

    They just decided to shut him down instead when it would not respond to treatment and rest.

    He is definitely injury prone.

  216. Against All Odds September 3rd, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    Why would Cano agree to sign with Seattle. I’m sure he knows his offensive numbers will take a hit. The starters you want are not available. The Dodgers have new ownership and are flushed with money why would they trade an ace in his early 20s.

  217. Shame Spencer September 3rd, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    The Dodgers won’t try to trade for Cano.. they’ll try to buy him if they get the shot though.

    I hope they don’t get the shot :/

    The Dodgers really scare me.. and I rarely say that about an NL club. I hope they just end up with a bloated payroll and lackluster results over there but the way it sounds, guys will basically run through walls for Donnie. If he can get the most out of Handley, I think he could make Crawford’s contract almost seem worth it lol.

  218. waldo geraldo faldo September 3rd, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    Maybe Cano likes the rain. Maybe he’d be more comfortable in a place that doesnt demand winning. His lackadaisical style of play would certainly fit in SEA

  219. Nick in SF September 3rd, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Scary Dodgers losing to pesky Padres. Will be 5 or 6 games back in the NL West after tonight.

  220. joecembrale September 3rd, 2012 at 10:33 pm

    The Dodgers are the Late 80s Yankees.

  221. UnKnown September 3rd, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    Cool Standings still has the Yanks at 85% chance of making the playoffs.

    Has to be because of the weak teams they play at the end of the season.

  222. UnKnown September 3rd, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    Either ties it in the 9th for LA. That N.L. West is going to be fun to follow down the stretch.

  223. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 3rd, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    “actually if you’d STFU up about all the “negative people” and just focus on the baseball, the blog would be a lot more enjoyable.”

    This coming from someone who said he isn’t bothering to watch Yankee games anymore because they’re so uninteresting, but he is going to watch the Mariners? So mind your own business pal. You have nothing to do with game threads – speaking of S’ing TFU.

    ****************

    “She’s just trying to lay the ground work for her guy Freddy’s start tomorrow night. Don’t worry when Phelps pitches again she will be the most negative person in the thread again. ”

    Geeze is that what you really think? You’re a very mixed up boy if you think that. I’m psyched for every start. I’m waiting for one of our starters to step and up and pitch a shutout. And what better time to rally the troops than after today’s loss? I think you enjoy thinking negative things. I doubt anyone (anyone with a whit of intelligence) would ever dub me the most negative person in the thread – and say it with a straight face, that is.

    “Her comments about Phelps on Saturday where beyond distasteful. Whatever, her act is fooling anyone.”

    Beyond distasteful? Because I didn’t think he was ready for prime time and said so? Geeze Louise, I didn’t get the memo that said if I didn’t agree with the forum take it made me wrong!

    You must have been inconsolable today when mikyl was calling CC all kinds of names and really being ruthless about him. I’m stunned you didn’t speak up. Unless of course that’s considered tasteful in your part of the country.

    ;)

  224. NYY_Girl_Penny September 3rd, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    Actually just watched the Dodgers win in the 10th on a 2 out rally and it was very fun to watch a team that actually doesnt look so ho hum about everything.

    Maybe when you have 5 rings the excitement of winning wears off, i dunno but watching LA game tonight or damn near any other team was really exciting.. You can feel the energy. Kinda like Swisher energy but with actually coming thru.

    Bleh, im just really down on the yanks right now and taking cheap shots, i guess. I just wanba see some hunger, some passion and also some really good fun baseball. The yanks seem super uptight snd i dont just mean lately. Maybe they should just go out and focus on having fun playing baseball! Something anything.. Whatever it is that shines some light and brings some life to this team, please come we welcome it!

  225. CompassRosy September 4th, 2012 at 12:07 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue September 3rd, 2012 at 11:24 pm
    …This coming from someone who said he isn’t bothering to watch Yankee games anymore because they’re so uninteresting, but he is going to watch the Mariners?…

    ~

    Hey, Sis ~
    I resemble that remark ;)

  226. NYY_Girl_Penny September 4th, 2012 at 12:12 am

    Don’t you mean vociferous ? Ive never heard the word voicerous before. Not that im a dictionary or anything but just saying i never heard that word before is all.

  227. jacksquat September 4th, 2012 at 12:37 am

    O’s close to being in first place with a negative run differential. I wonder when the last time is that happened this late in the season.

  228. jacksquat September 4th, 2012 at 12:43 am

    Why do the reporters continue asking about “panic”? We don’t want panic, but we do want concern. This “we don’t look at the standings” and “it’s just another day” stuff is what is ridiculous.

  229. UnKnown September 4th, 2012 at 1:34 am

    Get one of the next two and at worst head to B-More tied for the division lead. At which point you control your own destiny from that point forward.

    Win more games then the Orioles the rest of the way if you want the East.

    Get into the Playoffs and it’s the first team to 11 wins. History says the MLB playoffs is anyone’s guess. If everyone on this team plays up to their capabilities they can no doubt win the W.S. This team still has enough talent to do so.

  230. Duh Innings II September 4th, 2012 at 3:11 am

    If the season ended today the 2012 Yanks would have the worst BA, OBP, and RPG in the Torre on era and since 1992.

    http://www.baseball-reference......team.shtml

    Gardner was such a stolen-base threat, the 2012 Yanks are in danger of having more SBs than only two Yankee teams since 1980 in a season not shortened by strike: 1984 and 1993.

    If they don’t tie the 1988/2002 Yanks in triples, they’ll finish with the least amount of triples of any Yankee team in team history.

  231. MTU September 4th, 2012 at 6:45 am

    A season with so much promise going down the drain right before our eyes.

    Like watching a slow-motion train wreck.

    Innocent bystanders powerless to do anything but watch and wait to see the carnage.

    No one seems able to stop it.

    Someone on this team needs to be the Breakman who throws the switch and saves the season.

    Someone has a chance to be a hero. A Matsui.

    Will anyone heed the call ?

    Or is the outcome already predetermined ?

    I hope it’s the former.

    ;)

  232. Ys Guy September 4th, 2012 at 7:29 am

    ” you’re going to go through highs and lows. You still have to have confidence”

    win today, worry about yesterday tomorrow.

  233. blake September 4th, 2012 at 7:34 am

    Sept 16: thats the day the Yanks have to get to…..

    If they can get to that date and still hold a lead or be close then the 17th is an off day and the 18th starts a real softening in their schedule with 13 of their final 16 against sub .500 teams.

    This current road trip may decide the season……they have the rest of this series with Tampa….then 4 with Baltimore …..then go to Fenway…..they go home to play the Rays again……its gonna be a rough 2 weeks here but they gotta find a wah to get through it……

    A win tonigjt would be a nice start.

  234. MTU September 4th, 2012 at 7:35 am

    Y’s-

    Win today.

    Don’t even worry about yesterday at all.

    Always look forward to tomorrow.

    ;)

  235. MTU September 4th, 2012 at 7:37 am

    Blake-

    Good morning.

    Rough day for you yesterday.

    Look at it this way.

    They’ll either step up or they won’t.

    ;)

  236. blake September 4th, 2012 at 7:42 am

    MTU,

    Rough day for us all :(

  237. Ys Guy September 4th, 2012 at 7:43 am

    cano knows the score. he had a bad game and he let the team down and people are blaming him.

    i hope he had dinner with alex last night, someone who’s been there plenty of times.

    look for two big rbi hits out of cano tonight. and maybe one from alex, too.

  238. MTU September 4th, 2012 at 7:45 am

    When you crack open an oyster sometimes you find a pearl.

    Sometimes just sand.

    Never know which beforehand.

    All part of the gamble.

    That’s a baseball season.

    An oyster with or without a pearl inside.

    You only get to find out at the end.

    ;)

  239. MTU September 4th, 2012 at 7:48 am

    Blake-

    Losing sucks.

    But it isn’t over till it’s over.

    And fortunately we still have time.

    Like I said above. No idea yet if this year’s oyster contains the pearl or the sand.

    Still hoping for the pearl. Till I can’t anymore.

    Try doing the same. You might feel better.

    ;)

  240. blake September 4th, 2012 at 7:53 am

    “look for two big rbi hits out of cano tonight. and maybe one from alex, too.”

    If he can play….

  241. MTU September 4th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    And in the end try to remember it’s just baseball.

    It ain’t life and death.

    It’s just a game.

    You still have everything that really matters in Life.

    So keep your perspective.

    Don’t get bogged down.

    Besides. Even if they fail there’s always next year.

    ;)

  242. Yankee Trader September 4th, 2012 at 7:58 am

    Good morning.

    The Yankees will make the playoffs. Whether they advance very far is another story. If you look at the last 3 games the offense is nonexistant, and every member of the team has not been contributing. Usually you can count on one sector of the team to step it up, but the defense, the bullpen, the starting pitching, no team speed, the increasing rate of double plays, and so on, have contributed to the swoon.

  243. blake September 4th, 2012 at 7:58 am

    MTU with wisdom this morning :)

    Al very true…..

  244. MTU September 4th, 2012 at 7:58 am

    And speakin’ of something that matters to me.

    It’s time to walk the Mops.

    Be back later.

  245. Villa Nova-Ya September 4th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    Ys Guy -

    IF Cano plays….

    They really can’t bear for one more guy to be hurt.

    I find it incredibly ironic that Joe Girardi’s mission as Yankees manager (one of his missions) was to rest his players, rotate their DH days, give them less time on turf, whatever was necessary, to try and do his best to minimize their risk of injury, and to keep them fresh for the end of the year. And yet here we are, another guy probably down for a few days…AND most of the injuries being of the type that you can’t prevent – Alex and Andy and Gardner for sure. And it can be argued that a guy can play one game, turn the wrong way or overswing, and boom, he’s hurt. No relationship to rest whatsoever.

    Resting guys can keep them fresh, but it can’t prevent injury. I guess that’s the lesson.

    Mind you, I’m not saying I think Girardi made a mistake in trying to keep his guys fresh; just that stuff’s gonna happen anyway.

    Anyway, there really is not much left to say about the last couple of weeks. I still believe it can turn around on a dime. Could end up being that wild card team they wanted to avoid being at all costs. Funny turn around that, from the year that they actually decided that being the WC was acceptable. And you know, one game, anything could happen. Wouldn’t it be funny if after all that has happened this season, they DO end up being that WC team, and in spite of all the handwringing by fans that if it comes down to that, they have no chance (exaggeration here of course), that they DO win that game????

    I hope it doesn’t come to that. But I’d rather that than no shot at all.

  246. Villa Nova-Ya September 4th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    Yankee Trader =

    Perhaps this is rock bottom? The ashes out of which the phoenix will rise??? ;)

  247. Yankee Trader September 4th, 2012 at 8:03 am

    Baby Bomber recap 8/3/12:

    There might be a pearl or two or three or more at Trenton:

    AA Trenton Thunder: W 8-5 vs. Binghamton Mets

    Adonis Garcia 1-5

    Ramon Flores 2-5, HR, 2 RBI – first HR with Trenton

    Tyler Austin 1-3, RBI, BB – 2 for 7 since promotion

    Luke Murton 1-3

    Addison Maruszak 1-3, 2B, 2 RBI, BB, E6 – 22nd error of the season

    Kevin Mahoney 1-4, 2B, 2 RBI

    Rob Segedin 0-3, RBI, K

    Nik Turley 8 H, 3 ER, BB, K, HBP – AA debut

    Mikey O’Brien 2.2 IP, 3 H, 2 R/1 ER – 32 of 44 pitches for strikes

    http://www.pinstripealley.com/.....-to-an-end

  248. Villa Nova-Ya September 4th, 2012 at 8:09 am

    Got tickets for next Saturday’s game in Trenton!

  249. Yankee Trader September 4th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    If the Yankees don’t make the playoffs it’s not because of a sudden collapse like the Braves had last year, when the best bullen in the majors ran out of gas. We have seen this coming for a while now.They have been a .500 team for what-6 weeks or so?

  250. Yankee Trader September 4th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    Villa-

    When do the AA playoffs start, and how many games are in the 1st round?

  251. Villa Nova-Ya September 4th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Yankee Trader -

    Yes, about 6 weeks – since Oakland, really.

    It’s also not the same as Atlanta and Red Sox last year, because I don’t believe either of those teams had injuries? I’d have to check.

    But I do think this downslide by the Yankees has been a product of injuries taking their toll compounded by several players having down years. (Pretty remarkable they were in first place by so much of a margin in the first place!)

  252. Villa Nova-Ya September 4th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    Yankee Trader -

    First round starts Wednesday. First two games in Reading, I believe, and the last 3 in Trenton.

    The second round would have Trenton at home on the weekend as well, so if they advance, I’ll have to check and see if we have that Saturday free as well.

  253. blake September 4th, 2012 at 8:23 am

    Trader,

    Right….if the Yanks miss the playoffs it wont be a collapse…..more like a chronic slowly progressing 2nd half disease.

    I really hope Cano can at least DH tonight and Granderson plays……its go time and if these guys can play through a few nicks then they need them to ……obviously they dont want to risk further injury but they cant afford to lose any more games…..Jeter and Swisher have cooled and they need help.

    My hope is that they can weather the storm over the bext two weeks then get everybody healthy and pound the the Twins and Blue Jays to close the season.

  254. blake September 4th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    (“Pretty remarkable they were in first place by so much of a margin in the first place!)”

    As irritated as I am with this team its somewhat remarkable that they are in first place at all when you consider: rivera is gone, Sabtahia has been on the DL twice and just hasnt been himself, Pineda never threw a pitch, Robertson was on the DL and hasnt been as good as last year, Granderson is hitting .230, Alex has missed over a month, Tex has been out a lot, Gardner has missed the season, Nova has been terrible…..Pettite is hurt…..etc etc.

    Really the only guys performing better than expectations have been Jeter and Kuroda…..e eryone else has either been hurt or underperforming.

  255. Ys Guy September 4th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    i think cano’s injury is more the type that he can play with. he probably would already have been sitting had everyone else been healthy. he’ll go out there tonight.

    its true that rest doesnt prevent injuries, but i think it definitely helps keep older guys fresh. t look at how badly ichiro is slumping now that he’s out there every day. i think 2 days off in a week keep him playing at his peak. thats another reason we need tex back in the lineup.

    its that time of year, everybody who can limp out onto the field has to go out and give it all they’ve got even if thats now quite what they usually bring.

    joey votto has had 2 knee proceedures this summer but he just started rehabbing a couple of days ago because the minor league season was about to end and the reds need him. now he’ll give the reds whatever he has to give them.

    getting alex back will help chavez, getting tex and grandy back will help ichiro and swisher. maybe then cano can dh a couple of days.

    it’s GO TIME!

  256. Villa Nova-Ya September 4th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    blake -

    Exactly right.

    (And I agree Sabathia has not been as dominant all season, even had he not had the 2 DL stints.)

    I have to say, I loved seeing Nunez on the bases yesterday, though. As volatile on the field as he was, I still missed having him up here.

  257. blake September 4th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    Two of the things really hurting this offense even when everyone is healthy has been Granderson’s regression and Cano’s sudden inability to hit LHP.

    The offense is built for these two to be the best hitters in the lineup…..Granderson has been much worse than 2011 and Cano while has still been very productive has essentially been a platoon bat this year……they need both of those guys to steo up

  258. blake September 4th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    They need to bring either Adams or CoJo up…..

  259. Yankee Trader September 4th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    Granderson’s numbers are worse[below, way below the Mendoza Line] vs the Rays, home and away. He’s been an easy out and the shift has killed him. Plus the Rays have the pitching to maximize the shift by locating pitches where the batter will have trouble going the other way. Play Dickerson instead tonight. He’s a better fielder.

  260. Villa Nova-Ya September 4th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    Ys Guy -

    I do agree that the rest keeps guys fresh. It’s just so weird that, for instance, Alex – who was fresh and healthy at least in part because of keeping him in a “rest rotation,” misses 6 weeks anyway for an injury that he did nothing to cause.

    Pettitte too. I was concerned he’d pull a groin muscle much like in 2010. He gets hit with a comebacker and it’s not a bruise that would necessitate missing a start or two – no, it’s an 8- to 10-week injury.

    All you can do is shake your head.

    I agree that anyone who is close to healthy needs to do whatever they can to muster the best they can give at this point in the season. Not that I don’t think they haven’t been doing so to this point. But I guess it’s take two advil and then 2 hours on the trainers’ table time.

  261. blake September 4th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    I still think CC is going to be very good for the remainder of his contract…..hes left handed…..hes huge …..and hes learned how to pitch instead of just relying if stuff……but ai do wonder if we’ve seen the last of the dominant Sabathia ….the guy you can give the ball to and go win 2-1……he will have those days of course but he just seems much more dependent on location now than before because his velo is down…..and this may just be who he is now…..a guy that will give you innings and will win the game if you score him 4 runs…..

    .still extremely valuable and maybe its just an off year…..but hes logged just a massive number if innings in his career and at some point hes going to stop being as dominant…..

    makes me wonder if Cashman will again neglect the offense this winter to pursue his white whale “ace” starter……

  262. blake September 4th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    “. Play Dickerson instead tonight. He’s a better fielder”

    I disagree there…..Granderson is a better CFer than Dickerson

  263. MTU September 4th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    Hope springs eternal.

    Like the coils inside of a Sealy posturpedic matress.

    :)

  264. blake September 4th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    And they need more from Ichiro too…..who Im pretty disappointed in so far…..I really thought hed find new life and be great for them….and for awhild it looked like he might….but right now hes a guy that is late on hittable pitches…..a guy that never walks or gets on base…..and a guy thats not as good defensively as he used to be…….we thought he would fill the Gardner void…..so far its not even close.

  265. Bring in the Goose September 4th, 2012 at 8:46 am

    Tonight’s game will be tough to watch.

    Hard to believe we’ll beat the Rays with Garcia on the hill and a lineup without Cano.

  266. Yankee Trader September 4th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    The Yankees will make it if the September callups make a contribution, while the walking wounded recover. Had the Yankees not brought up Dickerson, the Yankees would now be sharing 1st place with the Orioles.

  267. blake September 4th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    Gardner IMO would have been worth around 3 wins over the LFers they have had so far…..especially the way Jeter has hit.

    How many more runs would they have had with a .350 OBP in the 9 hole as compared to a .300 OBP there? How many times would Gardnee have walked or gotten on then stolen 2nd and helped manufacturer a run? How many outs would he have saved defensively?

  268. mick September 4th, 2012 at 8:50 am

    Had the Yankees not brought up Dickerson, the Yankees would now be sharing 1st place with the Orioles.
    ====================
    They lost that game right?

  269. Ys Guy September 4th, 2012 at 8:51 am

    the yankees have only faced cobb twice once this year. june 6th (the longest day…) the yankees hit two homers off cobb at nys and beat him 4-1.

    cobb is coming off his best month so far 4-0 3.38. not much split differencial.

  270. Yankee Trader September 4th, 2012 at 8:52 am

    Blake-

    I don’t have any stats to back up whether Dickerson or Grandy plays a better CF.

    On Saturday, does Grandy, who plays shallow, make that catch running back to the wall in deep CF? Would he have made the catch robbing the Oriole hitter of a home run?

    I know that’s a small sample size!

    Here are Granderson’s split stats. Look at his numbers post all-star and vs the Rays.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....granderson

  271. Yankee Trader September 4th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    Mick-

    They won that game on Saturday 4-3 with 4 hits total, a homer from Dickerson and two run saving catches in CF

  272. mick September 4th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    And they need more from Ichiro too…
    =========================
    Give him a shot in the 2 hole for a game or 2 , see if it wakes him up…

  273. Ys Guy September 4th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    go with granderson (if he’s ready) and dickerson and give ichiro a night off.

  274. mick September 4th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    They won that game on Saturday 4-3 with 4 hits total, a homer from Dickerson and two run saving catches in CF
    ===============
    Dickerson hit one on Sunday which you know they lost.

  275. randy l. September 4th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    “makes me wonder if Cashman will again neglect the offense this winter to pursue his white whale “ace” starter……”

    blake-

    true baseball aficionados know RUN PREVENTION is what the game is all about.

    hitting a baseball is so old school.

    you really need to get with it.

    if your dentistry practice were like your baseball philosophy you’d be pulling teeth with pliers.

    what a luddite.

    baseball is run prevention.

    period.

    just ask theo and the red sox.

  276. austinmac September 4th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    RAB had a good line saying Ichiro’s collision with Dickerson is his hardest hit in two weeks. Isn’t that the truth?

  277. MTU September 4th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    Corn on the Cobb is Hellickson light.

    Hope they remove his kernels tonight.

    ;)

  278. Ys Guy September 4th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    dont get too crazy about dickerson, im glad he’s here, but there’s a reason he’s 30 and spent 5 years in AAA.

    remember when derek lowe was the hero about 2 weeks ago?

  279. Ys Guy September 4th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    corncobb was born in boston.

  280. MTU September 4th, 2012 at 8:58 am

    Y’s-

    Another strike against him.

    ;)

    New thread ——>

  281. austinmac September 4th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    The question should be whether Dickerson or Ichiro plays. It appears to me the career minor leaguer is better at this point. Ichiro will play because he is the veteran. That’s the Yankee way.

  282. Yankee Trader September 4th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    Blake-

    Gardner-How many outs would he have saved defensively? Interestingly, Ibanez has not been charged with an error all season, and has 2 assists, but you know Gardner would have gotten to more balls and thrown out or prevented more players from scoring with his accurate arm and quickness to the ball.

  283. mick September 4th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    They won that game on Saturday 4-3 with 4 hits total, a homer from Dickerson and two run saving catches in CF
    =================
    Did you check that out yet?
    Don’t want you living under false pretenses…. ;)

  284. blake September 4th, 2012 at 9:24 am

    “if your dentistry practice were like your baseball philosophy you’d be pulling teeth with pliers.”

    Home depot is one of my vendors.

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