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Long: “You start to maybe think a little bit differently”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Sep 05, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees division lead disappeared last night, and it disappeared — predictably — in the fog of another disappointing night from the offense.

“You’ve got a 10-game lead and it’s down to zero,” hitting coach Kevin Long said. “There’s some added pressure and guys are probably trying to do too much. We’ve got to come out of it, and we’ve got to start playing better baseball, not just offensively, all together. We’ll just stay at it and hopefully guys can relax and start doing what they’re capable of doing. And to do that, I think the biggest thing is just to trust their ability.”

For about six minutes in the Yankees clubhouse, Long spoke about the state of the team and the need to do something differently going forward. Here’s Long, addressing a group of reporters:

Any indication that they’re going to turn it around soon?
“There’s some guys that have been there and done that. You’ve got to trust the guys in the room. It’s our job as coaches to make sure that they understand that. Stay at them, and keep grinding, and I think just making sure that they understand the importance of sometimes it’s not about getting a pitch and hitting it over the fence. It’s about grinding out an at-bat, maybe walking, trusting your teammates. All that stuff comes into play, and right now we need it more than ever.”

Have you seen guys pressing and going outside of their zone?
“Not so much out of their zone. Today our chases, there weren’t very many. We had nine off Cobb. That’s not very many. That’s not an overabundance of chases. Some of it has to do with some pitching and some quality pitches, but a lot of it has to do with, we’ve got to get back to the basics. We’ve got start doing some things. We might start having some guys bunt that you don’t normally see bunt. That might have to be the case right now, until we get it going. Maybe we take a guy like Swisher in the third inning today, when it’s first and second with nobody out, maybe he bunts. We’re going to talk about that and we’re going to address some of those things, and we’ll see if we can’t turn it around.”

Does Alex Rodriguez look rusty?
“Any time you’re out for a length of time it takes awhile to get going. Today he played third and he’s on the turf, you know. He’s exhausted after a day like today. You can’t prepare for game action by just taking groundballs and doing all the stuff that he’s done. It’s going to take him some time to get back into it. His at-bats are getting better. We talked about it today. He seemed to be better with two strikes, his approach was much better. He wasn’t as big. I thought he played good at third; he got seven or eight balls. He played a good game, so he’s getting back into the mix. And certainly we’re going to need him.”

Is this team really designed to bunt?
“Listen, in 2009 we won the championship because Nick Swisher bunted. Alex Rodriguez has bunted twice this year. He’s got 644 home runs. So everybody should be capable of doing it. And the people who are not all in, then something’s wrong. At this point, when you’re not scoring runs, you’ve got to try something. We’ll talk about it. Maybe it goes up to a point right now where it’s like 80 percent we’re bunting. And then it goes down to maybe 50 percent because we’re starting to swing the bats better. And if we struggle again, those are the times to do those things. There are some things we can do besides sit around and wait for a big home run.”

Would bunting be a sign of desperation?
“It’s not desperation, it’s about playing baseball. In playoff baseball, Justin Verlander’s out there and it’s first and second, what are you going do? That’s the way it is. You have to do these things. I think we need to get more in that mode right now, and hopefully that turns it around.”

Does this feel like playoff baseball?
“Oh yeah. We’re right in the thick of this thing. These are important times right now. We got to get guys in this room to sell out and to buy into trusting everybody on the team, from guys on the bench to our big horses who hit 3 and 4. We got to come together, and we got to do it now.”

Is there a lack of trust?
“Nah, it’s not that. Listen, we were so good for so long at banging the ball out of the park, and you guys know we were hitting home runs at a pace that, it was great, and we were real good at it. And when that starts to go the other way, you know — and this isn’t going to be the case all the time, but — that’s when you start to maybe think a little bit differently and maybe have a different approach, so we’ll try some of those things. You guys might see some of that come here sooner than later, and we’ll see if that can’t get us going.”

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291 Responses to “Long: “You start to maybe think a little bit differently””

  1. Yankee Trader September 5th, 2012 at 9:02 am

    Anyone-

    We talked again about offseason moves yesterday. What offensive players, currently on the Yankee 25 man roster, major league proven and ready, would an opposing GM really consider trading for and be willing to give up young major league hitters?

    Name one, and I can think of reasons why I wouldn’t trade for that player.

  2. Yankee Trader September 5th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Blake mentioned Granderson as teams are looking for CF’ers.

    OK Granderson-

    If i’m the opposing GM, why do I want him? He’s been remade to hit for power and pull the ball tailored for YS. It’s been shown that teams that play a shift on him, that any ground balls will not get thru the right side of the infield. he strikes out at an alarming rate. he doesn’t steal bases anymore. he’s an upcoming FA.
    He doesn’t have an arm.

    Any points you now want to make on why he might bring back major league ready talent?

  3. blake September 5th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    Well yesterday they had 1st and 2nd with no outs and Swisher Kd and Cano hit into a double play.

    IMO there are very few circumstances where you shouldnt bunt with 1st and 2nd and 0 outs…..and I hate bunting in general ….but therr are time when its the thing to do….

    The problem with this club is its not designed to bunt …..its nit designed to play small ball….so when you take these guys out of their comfort zone you risk making things worse….

    You cant change what you are with a month to go just because youre struggling …..you have to hope you can do what yoh can do better.

    The offseason is the time to make changes…..now is simply the time to play better.

  4. blake September 5th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    “If i’m the opposing GM, why do I want him?”

    Because hes a 30+ homer CFer that was an MVP merely a year ago…..

    .the Braves are going to lose Bourn…..the Nats need a CFer….the Giants need outfield help badly…..etc…..a lot of teams would like to take a chance of Grandy bouncjng back for one year Id think…..and if the offers werent great Id take that chance as the Yanks as well

  5. Yankee Trader September 5th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    Kevin Long on bunting:

    “Rodriguez has bunted twice this year. He’s got 644 home runs. So everybody should be capable of doing it. And the people who are not all in, then something’s wrong.”

    Tell that to Teixeira!

    Let Ichiro practice on his bunting skills.

  6. blake September 5th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Trader,

    You arent getting a significant major league bat back for Granderson….not one thats controllable…..if you trade him its either as a piece in a big trade for someone like Upton or its to recoup prosects from another deal…..or something like that.

  7. Benny Blanco September 5th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Blake, do you think it’s possible that we can get heyward from atlanta?

  8. Yankee Trader September 5th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Blake-

    The Braves might lose Bourn, only because they don’t want to go to where the contract demands per Boras, I believe, will take them. Even if the Braves weren’t concerned about Granderson becoming a FA, who are you getting back, an offensive player who can contribute?

  9. austinmac September 5th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    Long’s comments do strike me as panic. It is September and Swisher and the rest are going to learn to bunt? Then, how do they get the runner in? How about trying to go the other way?

  10. blake September 5th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    “Blake, do you think it’s possible that we can get heyward from atlanta?”

    Nope

  11. Yankee Trader September 5th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    Jason heyward is not a FA until 2016.

    No there is no possibility the Yankees would have anyone that could provide the Braves with a quality cost controlled major league ready young hitter to replace Heyward.

    The Braves would love for you to take Dan uggla’s contract off their hands.

  12. blake September 5th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    “Even if the Braves weren’t concerned about Granderson becoming a FA, who are you getting back, an offensive player who can contribute?”

    Nah…maybe could pry away Delgado or Teheran or minor….youre not going to fix the offense by trading Granderson most likely….youd deal him to get value for him …..you fix the offense elsewhere most likely

  13. Benny Blanco September 5th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    blake September 5th, 2012 at 9:23 am
    “Blake, do you think it’s possible that we can get heyward from atlanta?”

    Nope

    ============

    DAMN. DAMN. DAMN!

  14. Villa Nova-Ya September 5th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    JAP -

    You did not want to engage me yet you responded to my posts. I have taken to the practice of scrolling past yours because you are too confrontational for my constitution. But if I am engaged I will respond.

    Perhaps there are “washes of gray” in my posts because I can see that things are not usually so black and white and because I am thoughtful about what I choose to post. I am not afraid of appearing to contradict myself at times, because I’m not afraid of admitting I don’t know everything there is to know.

  15. Yankee Trader September 5th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    Austinmac-

    What about a bunt for a hit leading off an inning against the shift. Tex pretty much has refused to try that-wants only to swing hard.

  16. Yankee Trader September 5th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Blake-

    I knew that would be your answer, because down deep you realize what bind the Yankees are in moving forward to add major league ready young hitters to their roster. I feel the same way. We’ve talked about Upton, but is there really a match there with Towers?

  17. longtimefan September 5th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    Everyone says they are not “panicking” probably the wrong word to use–but look at their faces, lost, dear in the headlights, dazed, etc–but should we as fans really be surprised–this is essentially the same team as last year that did the same thing in the playoffs, offense disappeared and out in first round, only difference this year is we look like we are gassed before we even reach the playoffs, everyone kept saying its early and its a long season well guess what its no longer early and the season is winding down, the over the hill gang on the bench isn’t cutting it and the no name generics they picked up along the way are laughable(Mcghee, Pearce)–team needs a new look for next year or we will be back in the same position again.

  18. Andymelillo September 5th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    Kevin long teaches all or nothing powerball bunting this team isn’t built to do. that like teaching mike tyson to become like sugar ray leonard

  19. austinmac September 5th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    YT,

    I am all for taking a hit when they give it to you. I just think September is a bit late to learn. Nor do I think they’ll do it for hits. It looked like Long was talking sacrifice.

  20. blake September 5th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    I knew that would be your answer, because down deep you realize what bind the Yankees are in moving forward to add major league ready young hitters to their roster. I feel the same way. We’ve talked about Upton, but is there really a match there with Towers?”

    I think there could be yes…..but theyd almost certainly have to touch the big league roster

  21. Tackelberry September 5th, 2012 at 9:38 am

    would not have been the worst thing in the world to have Swisher bunt in that inning. Gotta try something different when normal apporach isn’t working. How bout Jeter layuing down a bunt to start an inning, then a hit and run?

  22. Tidrow September 5th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    Thing that really gets me about this team is the blind loyalty to guys who don’t deserve it like A Jones, Martin, Ibanez. Why so fearful of using young players like Adams, Joseph, Cervelli, Mustelier, Nunez, Dickerson. They might provide a spark. They would be better able to do the little things on offense this team needa to get going like bunting, hitting behind a runner or taking an extra base.

  23. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    Villa Nova-Ya September 5th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    JAP -

    You did not want to engage me yet you responded to my posts. I have taken to the practice of scrolling past yours because you are too confrontational for my constitution. But if I am engaged I will respond.

    Perhaps there are “washes of gray” in my posts because I can see that things are not usually so black and white and because I am thoughtful about what I choose to post. I am not afraid of appearing to contradict myself at times, because I’m not afraid of admitting I don’t know everything there is to know.
    ///

    VN,

    I’m really not interested in this kind of exchange that goes into “pissy” territory. I responded to your baseball point that 2009 and this lineup are not all that different. I really take issue with that.

    If you want to credit yourself with perspective, well you go right ahead. Nothing wrong with not knowing everything, who does. But since you think it’s ok to be condescending, (not the first time) I thought it might be alright if I let you know that I don’t necessarily think a lot of what you say is all that well thought out, so your stated impatience (arrogance?) that you don’t want to “get into it” with me, was unnecessary, as I don’t really have that much interest in prolonging a discussion with you, no worries, as that was not my intention.

  24. Andymelillo September 5th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    I agree with longtime fan this is the same team of last year but way older cashman practically got rid of any hope of hitting risp montero an won’t let cervelli an nunez play all of them are good in the clutch also got rid of melky 8 walkoff

  25. ac1 September 5th, 2012 at 9:41 am

    I have to believe that after mid season when Cashman said his priorities are to extend Cano and Granderson, he must have at least realized there is no reason to extend Granderson and his .230 avg (homeruns or not)…. I dont know that they have a choice with Cano, but there is absoutely no way they can pay granderson. In fact, if Cashman is any good, he will find a way to trade Granderson in the offseason and get something back for him. We can find OFs (Gardner can move to CF)…. I realize losing Granderson and Swish will be a lot of offense, but they can find ways around that with ome stop gaps, guys from the system (Almonte, Mesa, Dickerson, etc..)
    I’d also move Alex to DH and start Adams at 3rd next year.

    It’s time to give some of these guys a. chance, instead of sticking them in the system with no way out

  26. Tackelberry September 5th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    I hope Nunez is in the lineup tonight. Play him in left field. Need his bat, speed in there against the lefty Moore. My lineup:

    Jeter SS
    Swisher 1B
    Cano DH
    Arod 3B
    Jones RF
    Grandy CF
    Nix 2B
    Martin C
    Nunez LF

  27. Yankee Trader September 5th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Team needs a new look next year.
    ———————————
    I agree.

    Look at the attached payroll projections for 2013:

    https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tpQLwiiQL4kzEzLhsUqVjLQ&output=html

    Realize that AAV, arbitration, medical insurance, etc for an entire 40 man squad will contribute to the bottom line at the end of the 2013 season when their LT assessment will be applied. That will be 42.5% above $178M

    What if Hal, after the Yankees collapse, doesn’t want to go over the 178M threshold.

    Try and field a respectable team.

  28. Villa Nova-Ya September 5th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    And now I’m reminded why I usually stop posting about 9 am.

  29. DONNYBROOK September 5th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Some of us around here have been talking about the Yankee Players and Girardi needing to go the small-ball\situational hitting route for over 2 weeks. Kevin Long is LATE to the party.

  30. yankeefeminista September 5th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    Long’s shift in philosophy re: the homerun-hitting team needs to improve its approach is typical of KLong’s postseason rap when the pitching gets tougher and we are not getting hits. He is realizing again, that our all or nothing approach is detrimental to the offense in games where you need to eek out a hit here or manufacture a run there. It is tough for this lineup to shift in midstream, as it was last season in the ALDS. But the all or nothing approach isn’t getting it done.

  31. Shame Spencer September 5th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    I knew Long would be a topic of discussion this morning. When I saw him last night, his eyes were bugging out and he was raving about how many career HRs Arod has hit (as if that helps us now lol).

    I completely agree with 86, Trader, and I think Villa as well – the fact that this team is talking about changing their approach in the final 27 games is ridiculous.

    Why not just have Girardi come out and say ‘this is who we are’ like he did mid-year when all the discussion was about how we couldnt win without a HR? The problem now is we’re hitting HRs in games and we’re still losing them :/

  32. 86w183 September 5th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    If they pick up the option on Granderson ($ 15 M) I think he would be very hard to deal unless you are eating a pretty bad contract in exchange.

    It might make more sense to pay the buyout and move on. Of course, Granderson might take less, because I’m not convinced a 32 year old .233 hitter who is average defensively is going to get multi-years at $ 15 M plus.

    If the Yanks let all FA leave and reject Granderson and Feliciano’s options they would knock about $ 70 M off the payroll and would leave them with this:

    IF — Teixeira, Cano, Jeter, A-Rod, Nunez, McGehee, Nix

    OF — Gardner, Dickerson, Pearce, Mustelier, Mesa, Almonte

    C — Cervelli, Romine,

    SP — Sabathia, Nova, Hughes, Phelps, Warren, Pineda

    RP — Soriano, Robertson, Joba, Logan, Aardsma, Wade, Montgomery

    Now go get two OF and one SP and you have a contender.

  33. Shame Spencer September 5th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    DONNYBROOK September 5th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Some of us around here have been talking about the Yankee Players and Girardi needing to go the small-ball\situational hitting route for over 2 weeks. Kevin Long is LATE to the party.

    —————-

    Some of us have been talking about it since JUNE!!!!

    This is why the whole, ‘They’re the coaches/GMs/owners, obviously they know a little more than we do’ argument falls really short sometimes.

  34. DONNYBROOK September 5th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    Can NOT see the Yankees letting MO walk, if he desires to return.

  35. 86w183 September 5th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    You can get to $ 178 M or $ 189 M rather easily if you are not afraid to let young players goout there and see how they perform.

    With the Yanks at $ 119 M in 2013 commitments and $ 75 M in 2014 its not all that challenging unless you sign Swisher, Granderson and Cano. You do that and there’s almost nothing left.

  36. Yankee Trader September 5th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    86w183-

    Thanks for your input. That projected team would certainly be a start.

  37. LGY September 5th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    It’s not about Kevin Long’s approach. It’s the players. You are not going to turn a team full of HR hitters into small ball.

  38. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Yankee Trader September 5th, 2012 at 9:02 am

    Anyone-

    We talked again about offseason moves yesterday. What offensive players, currently on the Yankee 25 man roster, major league proven and ready, would an opposing GM really consider trading for and be willing to give up young major league hitters?

    Name one, and I can think of reasons why I wouldn’t trade for that player.
    —————————————–

    Cano
    Granderson

    Those are the only two who could headline a blockbuster deal.

    A GM would be willing to trade for almost anyone if the price was right: Gardner is inexpensive, brings terrific defense and speed; Nunez has upside potential in his bat – also brings speed and is inexpensive – but neither of those guys are going to be the major cog in a big trade.

  39. DONNYBROOK September 5th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Pinella’s comment about Jeet being the only hitter in the Yankees lineup that is NOT just up at the plate trying to pull the ball, had to hit Long right between the eyes.

  40. Andymelillo September 5th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Yankeefemnista said it better. I agree it took kevin long this long to figure the upper cut mentality didn’t work he screwed gardner up an jeter.jeter had to get injured to fix his swing that long screwed upwith his old hitting coach an canoe had to ask his father to help get back his swing that kevin long screwed texiera swing is not same when we first got him

  41. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    LGY September 5th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    It’s not about Kevin Long’s approach. It’s the players. You are not going to turn a team full of HR hitters into small ball.
    ———————

    Exactly – it would be like giving Freddy Garcia $100M and expecting him to pitch like an ace. Players can only do what they can do – if you want to be a small ball team you need small ball players. Yankees don’t have that.

  42. Shame Spencer September 5th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    LGY September 5th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    It’s not about Kevin Long’s approach. It’s the players. You are not going to turn a team full of HR hitters into small ball.

    —————-

    Which is why them even discussing it is so ridiculous! They’ve told us all year ‘this is the team we have, this is our approach’!! We know just as much as they do that ‘trying something different’ at this juncture isn’t going to happen. I mean, they can try… but it likely won’t be effective. I just don’t know that I get why they even let Long speak on it..

  43. Yankee Trader September 5th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Villa and JAP

    I enjoy both your take on Yankee matters. Stay onboard and stick to not bashing each other.

  44. LGY September 5th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    The only benefit of this pitiful play recently is that Cashman might finally address the offense this winter.

    He has to be one of the least proactive GMs in MLB. When has he ever addressed an issue before it was a major problem or it was absolutely necessary? It’s clear as day now the offense needs help so hopefully he will finally do so this winter instead of babbling on about how pitching holds the keys to the kingdom and the offense is fine.

  45. 86w183 September 5th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    I would imagine the front office is none too happy with Long right now.

    If you look at the post FA roster I posted you see the Yanks have pitching depth to deal from. Not much positionally unless they are willing to move Sanchez, Austin and Flores.

    The Yanks don’t run well enough to play a lot of small ball. but they do have enough to bunt when its 1st and 2nd no out. they have enough to have Stewart squeeze with a runner at 3B and no one or one out. They have enough to hit and run when Jeter is at the plate.

    THOSE are the things they should be doing.

  46. longtimefan September 5th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Lou is not the most articulate but he does know baseball

  47. Andymelillo September 5th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    No chip gardner wasn’t a power hitter he started upper cut jeter not a power hitter his old coach had to help him he screwed texiera badly an canoe had ask his father help get back beautiful swing

  48. blake September 5th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    “It’s not about Kevin Long’s approach. It’s the players. You are not going to turn a team full of HR hitters into small ball.”

    Correct….this is the team they have. You cant make Shaq a 3 point shooter……you cant make Ibanez and Swisher hit and run guys….they dont make enough contact and they cant run.

  49. Yankee Trader September 5th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Chip-
    I posted this earlier.

    OK Granderson-

    If i’m the opposing GM, why do I want him? He’s been remade to hit for power and pull the ball tailored for YS. It’s been shown that teams that play a shift on him, that any ground balls will not get thru the right side of the infield. He strikes out at an alarming rate. He doesn’t steal bases anymore. He’s an upcoming FA.
    He doesn’t have an arm.

    Any points you now want to make on why he might bring back major league ready talent?

  50. Hassey September 5th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    I’d like to see Piniella at the plate for us today, with 1st and 3rd & one out in the eighth

  51. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    DONNYBROOK September 5th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Pinella’s comment about Jeet being the only hitter in the Yankees lineup that is NOT just up at the plate trying to pull the ball, had to hit Long right between the eyes.
    —————–

    My guess is that Long wasn’t listening to the YES call of the game last night.

  52. blake September 5th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    “I would imagine the front office is none too happy with Long right now.”

    The front office should be most unhappy with the front office.

  53. Shame Spencer September 5th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    blake September 5th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    “I would imagine the front office is none too happy with Long right now.”

    The front office should be most unhappy with the front office.

    —————–

    The front office doesn’t watch the post game. He’ll be fine.

  54. longtimefan September 5th, 2012 at 10:10 am

    Let them walk for 2013–Swisher, Joba, Jones, Ibanez, definetly Martin, Ichrio,Garcia, Rapada, Epply Granderson if need be, Trade Hughes, replace timid 3rd base coach and sleepy and Larry Rothschild,

  55. DONNYBROOK September 5th, 2012 at 10:10 am

    I agree with regard to Lou stumbling around with his verbiage, but that guy was one of the best hitters the Yanks had back-in-the-day. Last night, he was Excellent at disecting the 2 pitch Cobb, and how to approach hitting a Chucker like that. He also has expertise in the area of deciphering a Chuckers pitch sequence, and predicting what\where a pitcher is gonna throw in different situations.

  56. Yankee Trader September 5th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Chip-

    OK Cano-

    Show me the money!! 8-10 years minimum 23.125M/year[what Tex makes]
    Have to find me a team willing to commit the dollars plus give up the major league replacement talent to swing a deal.

    Gardner-

    I don’t want him until he shows me he can contribute and is 100%

    Nunez-

    he’s a utility infielder and would bring back another utility player

  57. Hassey September 5th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Long comes across as a genuinely nice guy, and many friends and neighbors have met him at local book signings and hitting clinics. In past years, I thought he simply wasn’t that good a hitting coach to MLB guys…but what do I know. This year, though, is different. This year he simply doesn’t have alot to work with. But he’s probably salivating at the thought of sticking around long enough to work with some of the kids now down on the farm.

    Some point soon, and we all hope it’s meaningful & not too late, the Yankees will bat around for a 6 run innning. It won’t necessarily mean that the levee broke, just that one pitcher finally left his CU in the bullpen that day. By the end of the year they’ll be hitting again, but this stretch against playoff contenders’ pitchers has opened everyone’s eyes about how to attack the attackable.

  58. DONNYBROOK September 5th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    - CHIP -
    He may not have been listening, but I’m sure somewhere along the line, he was filled in on this comment. Lou seldom singles guys out, here he did without naming names.

  59. LGY September 5th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    As Face said last night, the Yankees only excel at one thing and that’s hitting for power. They are the definition of a one dimensional offense. They don’t even have a great walk rate this season.

    This is not Long. This is all the front office. They assembled a bunch of players who only excel at one thing and that’s hitting for power.

  60. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    Yankee Trader September 5th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Chip-
    I posted this earlier.

    OK Granderson-

    If i’m the opposing GM, why do I want him? He’s been remade to hit for power and pull the ball tailored for YS. It’s been shown that teams that play a shift on him, that any ground balls will not get thru the right side of the infield. He strikes out at an alarming rate. He doesn’t steal bases anymore. He’s an upcoming FA.
    He doesn’t have an arm.

    Any points you now want to make on why he might bring back major league ready talent?
    ——————

    If you’re a team that needs a leadoff hitter – no, you don’t want him. But if you’re a team that is looking to add LH power to your lineup, has a need for a CF – then yes, you would be interested in him. Additionally, the fact that he’s an upcoming free agent might work in his favor, he wouldn’t be a long term salary commitment unless they wanted to make him one. And if not, by trading for him in the offseason a team would recoup a draft pick should he leave.

    Not all teams have the same needs. Would I expect the Angels or Dodgers to be in play for him? No, they don’t have the need. But the Braves, Phillies, Nationals and Pirates are just a few teams that could be potential fits.

  61. Yankee Trader September 5th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    Have to go.

    Didn’t watch the game last night. Watched the remake of COMA.

    COMA-now that’s an apt title of what the Yankees are in now!

    Until later!!

  62. Hassey September 5th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    Chip, YT – If I was a GM, I would never want Grandy at this age unless you were giving him to me with a free membership at BJs. A younger Grandy, maybe. Do you think a team on the verge of real contention would want to risk adding a 175 K albatross, in the hope that they are instead catching lightning in a bottle? I guess in today’s America, anythgin is possible at the right price. But, for instance, can you see Toronto or TB’s GMs even considering it? And aren’t they the new genuises?

  63. Cashmoney September 5th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    it’s not that complicated… Yanks don’t have dominant offense to rescue their mediocre pitching staff. Jeter and Cano are good hitters and capable of hitting pitches off different zones. The rest are flaw mistake hitters. Missing Rod and Tex def hurt, but if you trot a lineup where Martin is batting sixth and the eternal choker Swisher at 3 you can’t expect too much. Can they turn around in time, it remain to be seen. This offense can not touch good pitching on most of the nights and reinforcement might not be ready or will b too late to rescue this monumental collapse. There is no rosy pic to be painted here. This team need wholesale changes. Just an opinion though.

  64. WMD September 5th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    don’t worry, clueless joe, like you said your team is STILL in first. right, nobody is panicking. there’s no need to panic. great job girardi. with a 10 game lead in june pollyanna joe just assumed the race is over and just shut the team down and rest everybody. once again great job.

  65. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    LGY September 5th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    As Face said last night, the Yankees only excel at one thing and that’s hitting for power. They are the definition of a one dimensional offense. They don’t even have a great walk rate this season.

    This is not Long. This is all the front office. They assembled a bunch of players who only excel at one thing and that’s hitting for power.
    ——————

    The only player changes from this team and the one that won in 2009 are Ibanez/Gardner/Ichrio vs. Damon in LF; Granderson vs. Melky in CF, Martin vs. Posada at C and Chavez vs. Matsui at DH.

    I see one player in that group who was more of a HR hitter than the player he replaced. But that’s not to say your point is wrong. I do think that behind the plate, in LF and in CF they could use players who get on base more than the guys on the current roster. There’s also no question that age has deteriorated Alex’s offensive ability, I don’t know what has deteriorated Tex’s play and that Cano is having a bad season covered up by a good slash line.

  66. blake September 5th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    “This is not Long. This is all the front office. They assembled a bunch of players who only excel at one thing and that’s hitting for power.”

    Yup….its thr problem with the walk and hit homers approach…..when pitchers dont walk you and you dont hit homers you cant score.

    I hope they address it this winter but my guess is they blame the injuries and do nothing…..especially if they do hang on and make the playoffs.

  67. blake September 5th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    “The only player changes from this team and the one that won in 2009 are Ibanez/Gardner/Ichrio vs. Damon in LF; Granderson vs. Melky in CF, Martin vs. Posada at C and Chavez vs. Matsui at DH.”

    Well and Tex isnt as good….Arod isnt as good…..Damon and Matsui were a lot better than their replacements this year and Posada was a lot better than Martin.

    Its a big difference…..they have neglected the offense really since the winter of 2009…..it started when they passed on Matt Holiday

  68. Cashmoney September 5th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    blake, i don’t see drastic changes. I see Hal sees the bottom line and try to patch up an aging team for another playoff run.

  69. austinmac September 5th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    Batting average is a taboo subject these days it seems, but it does tell us who is more likely to drive in a run from second base. The BAs on this team are very poor. It has seemed acceptable to create such a team.

    Many of us have been derided for suggesting this when they were winning. A one truck pony doesn’t win in the end. In a tie game in the late innings, if no one hits a hit a homer they lose.

  70. Cashmoney September 5th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    Yankees solely misses Posada’s bat from catching spot. This idea of carrying two one way catcher who collectively can’t hit their way out of a barnyard is exceeding dumb.

  71. blake September 5th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    This isnt on Girardi…….it isnt on Kevin Long…..its on the players and the people that put this team together.

    The people that passed on Matt Holliday, Traded Montero, passed on Beltran, passed at the deadline this year etc…..and have done nothing to supplement an aging offense for over two years and now the cracks are becoming gaping holes before our eyes

  72. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    blake September 5th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    “The only player changes from this team and the one that won in 2009 are Ibanez/Gardner/Ichrio vs. Damon in LF; Granderson vs. Melky in CF, Martin vs. Posada at C and Chavez vs. Matsui at DH.”

    Well and Tex isnt as good….Arod isnt as good…..Damon and Matsui were a lot better than their replacements this year and Posada was a lot better than Martin.

    Its a big difference…..they have neglected the offense really since the winter of 2009…..it started when they passed on Matt Holiday
    ——————————-

    Blake,

    My point was just that in only one instance did the Yankees replace a player from that team with a guy who is more of a slugger (Granderson over Melky)

    As for passing on Holliday – they passed on him because they signed Tex the year before.

  73. jacksquat September 5th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    The idea that it’s the “same lineup” just says that people are stuck in time, and that’s probably why many here just shrugged over losing a mid-order, young, uber talented bat who also is a catcher.

    Very few “just shrugged”, we just don’t see the point of posting about it several times every f***ing day.

  74. DONNYBROOK September 5th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    With the injuries, the Yanks have had hitters in the lineup daily, that should be able to situational hit\play small ball. Nix, Martin\Stewart, Ichiro, and Jeet should be able to do this Every game. The Yanks have players that can do this, and a batting order does Not need 9 guys capable of doing this in order to pull-it-off. Girardi simply elects to Not emphasize this style of hitting on those that are capable of doing such, and on top of that, he elects to NOT pull the levers during a game, to put such a style of play in motion.

  75. blake September 5th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    “As for passing on Holliday – they passed on him because they signed Tex the year before.”

    So

  76. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    There won’t be drastic changes because this roster doesn’t lend itself to drastic changes – the biggest change will be in RF if they opt to move on from Swisher. Given that Brian doesn’t much like change, I don’t even see that as a guarantee.

    When was the last time that the Yankees allowed a productive player to leave the team too early rather than too late via free agency? Andy’s the only one I can think of. For Cashman to make drastic changes to this team he’s going to have to do things he has never done before and I don’t know that he has it in him.

  77. Shame Spencer September 5th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    I know some people were asking for the definition… but I think all of the above comments illustrate what a ‘one dimensional’ offense looks like.

    Again, it isn’t about whether or not they can get a hit with RISP sometimes… this team lacks any consistency.

  78. blake September 5th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    . “For Cashman to make drastic changes to this team he’s going to have to do things he has never done before and I don’t know that he has it in him.”

    I think Cashman has strengths…..but hes never had to do what needs to be done here.

  79. Cashmoney September 5th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Personally I like a guy like AA in Toronto in charge of rebuilding… I enjoy his body of work so far in Toronto.

  80. LGY September 5th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    It’s not about the replacements being better HR hitters than who they replaced. It’s about that being their only real skill.

    Granderson only excels at hitting for power. Ibanez’s only skill is hitting for power. Tex basically the same thing now that his OBPs suck. You see the pattern here.

    The Yankees used to be an offense that hit for power, hit for average, and walked at elite rates. Then they became a team that hit for power and walked a ton.

    Now they hit for power at that’s it.

  81. blake September 5th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    I dont think they need to rebuild……I think they need to make some bold and creative decisions this winter to avoid having to rebuild. This team isnt the Phillies YET…..but thats where they are headed if they dont learn from their mistakes and fix the problems they have.

  82. randy l. September 5th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    if it’s assumed all runs are equal , what is the cost to decrease era below a certain point, a 4.00 era say?

    what is the cost to increase runs on offense above the same 4 runs a game?

    in other words ,what is easier, eliminating a run of era or adding a run of offense?

    my belief is there is a tipping point where you don’t get much bang for your buck in spending huge amounts of resources for incremental pitching improvement and that you do get more bang for your buck in improving the offense with the same money

    the question to me is where is that point when enough pitching is enough.

  83. Bo knows September 5th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    It’s almost the standard of “a little knowledge is a dangerous thing”. Long doesn’t teach Pull Hitting, he teaches basics. He showed Granderson a different set and load, that was it. This supposed miracle that he did in one day is so much hogwash. Now they will “pile on” on Long but he doesn’t deserve it. I can see Long cringing on every over swing by the usual suspects.

    For God’s sake, Teixeira and Granderson pulled muscles swinging at max.

    The latest craze – OPS and derivatives is all about slugging. It celebrates power and walks and does not reward average. So we’re getting players morphing into the Rob Deers of time gone by.

    The old asiom of “shorten up on the third strike” is simple – Bat control.

  84. LGY September 5th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    Despite still being a productive player, this is why the Teixiera signing was a failure by Cashman.

    The Yankees needed a prime age multi-dimensional hitter to guard against the decline and retirement of their other multi-dimensional hitters like Alex and Posada.

    This season they have Cano, Jeter, and a bunch of one trick ponies.

  85. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    it started when they passed on Matt Holiday

    —————————–

    They passed on Holliday to get Tex though

  86. DONNYBROOK September 5th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    HAL granting an interview with The Post, just might signal a “coming out” party.

    Britton\Kershaw chucked a beauty last night.

  87. just_another_handle September 5th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    IMHO, if the Yankees don’t make the 2nd round of the playoffs, it’s time to give Brian and Joe their walking papers. When you are spending the kind of money this team spends, you need to have more than one world title in the last dozen years to show for it. Especially, when you have had some of the game’s most elite players on the roster. Of course this course of action would severly test the baseball acumen of the owner and his partners.

  88. blake September 5th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    Bottom line…..the Yankees dont have enough players that can hit their way on base. They have 2 guys that can do it consistently …..the rest are up there swinging for the fences or praying to walk.

  89. blake September 5th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    “They passed on Holliday to get Tex though”

    They already had Tex when Holliday was a FA

  90. Shame Spencer September 5th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    “the question to me is where is that point when enough pitching is enough.”

    I do find it incredible we’ve had to chase starting pitching every off season since 2002. Do you guys think we add another starter this off season? I guess we’ll have to whether it be Kuroda for another one year deal (fingers crossed) or someone to replace him.

  91. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Cashmoney September 5th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Personally I like a guy like AA in Toronto in charge of rebuilding… I enjoy his body of work so far in Toronto.

    ———————–

    Friedman that’s the guy

  92. The Return of Stoneburner September 5th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 10:46 am
    it started when they passed on Matt Holiday

    —————————–

    They passed on Holliday to get Tex though

    *******

    I think it might have different offseason. It might be more accurate to say they passed on Matt Holliday to trade for Curtis Granderson.

  93. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    blake September 5th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    “They passed on Holliday to get Tex though”

    They already had Tex when Holliday was a FA

    ———————-

    Let me rephrase that the money that could have gone to Holliday went to Tex

  94. bruceb September 5th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    Throughout the course of the season, whenever Girardi has been questioned about his team’s over-reliance on the long ball, his dogmatic stance has been: “That’s who we are.”

    Now, with 27 games to go, his hitting coach suddenly pronounces that this policy is not working and they need to try something different like bunting a runner over.

    It’s like calling the fire brigade AFTER your house has burned down. The time to practice bunting is in spring training, NOT in September. And why would you bunt with two on and no outs when Swisher is up at the plate? He’s a home run hitter. The only reason would be that you think he’s going to strike out rather than get a hit or make a productive out.

    You can argue about playing small ball and what the lineup should be until the cows come home, but the bottom line is you need at least 33% of your lineup to be playing well. Right now, the Yanks have 0% of their lineup playing well.

    They say form is temporary, class is permanent. It’s about time the Yankees showed their class.

  95. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    blake September 5th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    “They passed on Holliday to get Tex though”

    They already had Tex when Holliday was a FA

    ———————-

    Let me rephrase that the money that could have gone to Holliday went to Tex
    ———————

    Yup, that’s the point.

  96. Hassey September 5th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    Who else can we point the finger at that we’ve all left out so far? The ripple effect of letting go of Bobby Meacham? Brien Taylor? Ed Whitson? Dave Collins? Cliff Johnson? Mayor Beame?The guy who installed the irrigation system that clipped Mickey’s knee? Mussolini?

  97. Andymelillo September 5th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    If I was paying these players salary.I would threaten the manager, all the coaches the whole team other than jeet an rivera.If u don’t make the playoff all of are held accountable good by gone. I would pull a george.let’s see if that works.

  98. Jerkface September 5th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    .305 .386 .527 .912

    Matt Holiday the last 3 years.

    High average? Check
    Elite on base? Check
    Power? Check

  99. austinmac September 5th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    Hal came out so we would believe he cares. He better or he will lose a ton of money.

    With respect to Long, his pull happy approach screwed up Jeter who resurrected his hitting after going to Denbo.

  100. Villa Nova-Ya September 5th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    LGY -

    Tex was a more multi-dimension hitter before he was signed by the Yankees. That’s the Tex the Yankees signed.

  101. Jerkface September 5th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    Holliday basically makes AJ Burnett’s salary. If they couldn’t find room for it then they cheap.

  102. Jerkface September 5th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    Tex was a more multi-dimension hitter before he was signed by the Yankees. That’s the Tex the Yankees signed.

    And in 2009. The inexplicable destruction of Tex as an elite hitter since 2010 has been annoying.

  103. LGY September 5th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    BB%

    April 10.1
    May 7.9
    June 9.9
    July 7.8
    August 8.0

    Record

    April 13-9
    May 14-14
    June 20-7
    July 13-13
    August 15-13

  104. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    the question to me is where is that point when enough pitching is enough

    —————————–

    That’s the biggest issue because it’s been going on for many yrs. Every off season Cashman goes with his hat in his hand looking for pitching.

  105. Jerkface September 5th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Yankees pissing off their prospects to mix up this disastrous time:

    @SladeHeathcott

    How are you going to release trainer of the year the best trainer they had period. This is a joke.

    @SladeHeathcott

    The one person that got me better this year in weight room for a change they let go? Figure it out Jay made everyone better and stronger.
    Retweeted

  106. Wave Your Hat September 5th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    The sad fact is the Yank offense got old, a little sooner than expected. I don’t think it is fixable in the short or medium term. That doesn’t mean they can’t win more games than Baltimore over the next 27 games, though.

    A lot of this is on the front office. Forget the Montero trade; the Yanks knew in March that Pineda was gone, they knew 5 games into the season Gardner was gone, they knew a month into the season Mo was gone, they knew two months ago Andy. They didn’t fix any of those problems.

    Arrogance and complaisance are twin killers.

  107. LGY September 5th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    Villa Nova-Ya September 5th, 2012 at 10:58 am
    LGY -

    Tex was a more multi-dimension hitter before he was signed by the Yankees. That’s the Tex the Yankees signed.

    ——-

    They signed him at the point but every player declines at different rates.

    CB and Blake talked about how they were concerned how Tex would age because of his swing. Isn’t that something the Yankee scouts/front office should have considered?

  108. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Jerkface September 5th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    Holliday basically makes AJ Burnett’s salary. If they couldn’t find room for it then they cheap.

    —————————–

    That’s why when ppl say the 189 budget is just because of the new CBA it’s not entirely true. They have been cutting back for the past few yrs. Why do ppl think outside of Mo and Sori no other reliever makes big money.

  109. Cashmoney September 5th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    AoA, I like Friedman as well. Both have keen mind, it’s interesting how all these guys got started which includes Cashman.

  110. djsunyc September 5th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    sorry folks but any move a GM makes has to be done with directive from ownership. the owners now have put on a mandate of cutting payroll to a certain extent while making sure the seats are still filled in their stadium.

    IF ownership tells cashman that he must do whatever is necessary to make the team younger, then he will do it. but that means ownership is ready to possibly be a subpar team for a few years and i don’t think they are ready to do that.

    this has nothing to do with cashman. he has a boss.

  111. Jerkface September 5th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    If they wanted to they could have actually rotated the DH with Matt Holliday because Swisher covers first when Tex DHs, Gardner covers anytime Holliday moves over to RF or Granderson takes a rest.

  112. Andymelillo September 5th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Its funny the only hitter that keven long help was Wise Then we release him then he thank him by getting 8 hits in the chicago sweep thanks keven long

  113. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Isn’t that something the Yankee scouts/front office should have considered?

    ————————-

    Brandon Tierney who was great on NYC radio mentioned something along those lines when Tex was signed. “I like the Tex signing but he looks boxy to me. He looks like he has a body that won’t hold up or age well.”

  114. LGY September 5th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    Chase Headly makes $3.4M this season. You’re telling me Cash wasn’t authorized to trade for him?

    Not every good player makes a lot of money.

  115. Jerkface September 5th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Teixeira is one of the guys in the best shape, who takes his training very seriously, and he still cannot beat his own swing.

  116. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    Cashmoney September 5th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    AoA, I like Friedman as well. Both have keen mind, it’s interesting how all these guys got started which includes Cashman.

    —————————

    Yes it’s very interesting especially Friedman who is only 35. He’s so young.

  117. Cashmoney September 5th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    i thihk blake and chip are both right on the account that the yankees really hasn’t operate any differently in the way operate their business. the dif being Cashman is limited to bargain bin hunting instead throwing money at FA. To combat oncoming tides of age and skill deterioriaition, they truly need to do things a lot differently. The contention i get here is that some don’t think Cash is apt at handling it.

  118. Hassey September 5th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    feel bad for Chavez, who is watching his latest last chance potentially go down in flames…Oakland fans still love the kid

  119. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    Andymelillo September 5th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Its funny the only hitter that keven long help was Wise Then we release him then he thank him by getting 8 hits in the chicago sweep thanks keven long

    ————————

    He also pitched last night for the White Sox

  120. bruceb September 5th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    Its funny the only hitter that keven long help was Wise Then we release him then he thank him by getting 8 hits in the chicago sweep thanks keven long.

    Letting Wise go was another major blunder. Never mind his bat, he could have taken Freddy’s place in the rotation.

  121. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Jerkface September 5th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    .305 .386 .527 .912

    Matt Holiday the last 3 years.

    High average? Check
    Elite on base? Check
    Power? Check
    —————

    No one is questioning Holiday’s ability – but the money had already been spent and Tex helped get the Yankees a title. I’m not sorry about the way things went down.

  122. LGY September 5th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    Jerkface September 5th, 2012 at 11:00 am
    Yankees pissing off their prospects to mix up this disastrous time:

    @SladeHeathcott

    How are you going to release trainer of the year the best trainer they had period. This is a joke.

    @SladeHeathcott

    The one person that got me better this year in weight room for a change they let go? Figure it out Jay made everyone better and stronger.
    Retweeted

    ———-

    Probably a safe bet Heathcott gets traded this winter.

  123. Andymelillo September 5th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    Well I’m a giants fan so tonight is beat those cowgirls show the yankees how a well run franchise looks build from the draft

  124. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    LGY September 5th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    Chase Headly makes $3.4M this season. You’re telling me Cash wasn’t authorized to trade for him?

    Not every good player makes a lot of money.
    ————–

    Yeah but the teams that have good players who don’t make a lot of money don’t give those players away. With Betances and Nunez regressing, Gardner, Romine, and Banuelos hurt – what high level players did the Yankees have to offer? Nova, Roberstson, Phelps and Hughes?

  125. Triple Short of a Cycle September 5th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    We all know what is going to happen in the off season.

    Kevin Long will be fired and the rest of what happened will be explained away with injuries.

    Look for a Torri Hunter type player to take Swisher’s spot and another aging Vet for DH. Maybe they dabble a little

    with left field if they don’t feel confident going with Gardner but that is about it.

    If Kuroda leaves they will offer Andy another 1 year deal and they will being in another past their prime vet ala Garcia.

    The same team you are seeing now will be pretty much the same minus Swisher and maybe Kuroda

  126. blake September 5th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    “Let me rephrase that the money that could have gone to Holliday went to Tex”

    why? Was this the turning point when the budget mattered more than winning? Maybe it was……

    basically that winter they lost 2 key bats in Damon and Matsui…..and they replaced them with Brett Gardner and by trading for Granderson…..trading a pretty big package for Granderson….they did this to avoid spending money on Matt Hollliday.

  127. Tackelberry September 5th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    I’ll repeat my suggestion from yesterday. Let Swish walk, trade Granderson, and go get the Upton Brothers. I know BJ can be a little disruptive but the veterans in the Yaankee clubhouse will keep him in line.

  128. jacksquat September 5th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    CB and Blake talked about how they were concerned how Tex would age because of his swing.

    Not at the time of the signing. Everyone loved the Teixeira signing and were especially elated that they stole him from Boston.

    He is declining more than expected though. His contract should have been a good one only going through his age 36 season.

    Who knows, maybe Tex was juicing and once he got the big contract he stopped.

  129. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    LGY September 5th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    Jerkface September 5th, 2012 at 11:00 am
    Yankees pissing off their prospects to mix up this disastrous time:

    @SladeHeathcott

    How are you going to release trainer of the year the best trainer they had period. This is a joke.

    @SladeHeathcott

    The one person that got me better this year in weight room for a change they let go? Figure it out Jay made everyone better and stronger.
    Retweeted

    ———-

    Probably a safe bet Heathcott gets traded this winter.
    —————

    If he does it won’t be for this.

  130. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    To combat oncoming tides of age and skill deterioriaition, they truly need to do things a lot differently.

    —————–

    What concerns me about Cashman is he seems to me looking at other organizations and following what they do when the Yankees are already late to the party. Don’t get me wrong every org copies from each other. But during the 2000s it was copy the Sox and now it’s let’s be the Rays with money. What’s next let’s copy the Nats or Os

  131. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    Tackelberry September 5th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    I’ll repeat my suggestion from yesterday. Let Swish walk, trade Granderson, and go get the Upton Brothers. I know BJ can be a little disruptive but the veterans in the Yaankee clubhouse will keep him in line.
    ——————

    I have no problem with the theory – but I still don’t believe that the Yankees have what it takes to get Justin Upton. At least not on their own – they’ll need a third team.

  132. blake September 5th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    “No one is questioning Holiday’s ability ”

    everybody was back at the time….he was a Coors field product….they didn’t need him….he wasn’t worth the money….etc….

  133. blake September 5th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    “I have no problem with the theory – but I still don’t believe that the Yankees have what it takes to get Justin Upton. At least not on their own – they’ll need a third team.”

    I think it depends on what other teams offer…..I do think they could get him but they’d have to trade off the big league roster most likely….and they should consider doing just that.

  134. Triple Short of a Cycle September 5th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    What concerns me about Cashman is he seems to me looking at other organizations and following what they do when the Yankees are already late to the party. Don’t get me wrong every org copies from each other. But during the 2000s it was copy the Sox and now it’s let’s be the Rays with money. What’s next let’s copy the Nats or Os

    —————————————————

    I have been saying this for a while. I likened it to US airport security

  135. LGY September 5th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    I don’t think everyone loved the Tex signing. I didn’t want the Yankees to sign him.

    I wanted them to sign Manny

  136. Wave Your Hat September 5th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    Justin Upton is a fantasy. Towers is not going to trade him for what the Yanks are able to give. The options aren’t just limited, they are practically nil. The team is cooked 2013-2016 unless the Yanks massively expand the payroll, which they won’t do.

    They can still win this year. If Tex and Andy come back, ARod picks it up, Swisher comes out of his slump and Grandy starts connecting, they can still win it all this year.

  137. LGY September 5th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    Wish I could put that second part in small print.

  138. Triple Short of a Cycle September 5th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    I’m not even that high on Justin Upton. He always seemed banged up and he seems to have attitude issues. Much like Matt Kemp

  139. Jerkface September 5th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    I loved the Tex signing, and I defended Tex loudly on here until last year. SG at RLYW projected Tex to OPS .900 over the first 5 years of his deal, then enter the decline phase we’re currently in.

    Think about that, 5 years! Instead we got 1 year. What the hell? He declined the 2nd year of a huge multi year deal! :x :x :x

    Tex is still valuable, and he should be in the lineup but he isn’t the elite middle order guy he was signed to be. He is a pretty decent 5 hole guy right now.

  140. Hassey September 5th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    I think the Yankees should move in the fences next year, to help get thru these pesky, team-wide death slumps

  141. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Slade Heathcott ?@SladeHeathcott

    I guess people get threatened when people below them are better then they are at their job….

    ———————————-

    Yep he’s pissed off lol.

  142. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    To combat oncoming tides of age and skill deterioriaition, they truly need to do things a lot differently.

    —————–

    What concerns me about Cashman is he seems to me looking at other organizations and following what they do when the Yankees are already late to the party. Don’t get me wrong every org copies from each other. But during the 2000s it was copy the Sox and now it’s let’s be the Rays with money. What’s next let’s copy the Nats or Os
    ——————

    Cashman is a really thoughtful guy who doesn’t like getting harried into making moves, that’s why, I think, he prefers to make his moves in the winter and then tinker around the edges in season – he’s so afraid of doing the wrong thing (especially as it relates to pitching) that often he does nothing instead. This season the Yankees needed to make major changes in season and didn’t, because that’s not how Brian operates.

    It will be very interesting to see how he moves this winter. I think Swisher is the exact wrong guy to keep around – he’s a walk or home run guy who strikes out a lot. Granderson also should be on the block as should Cano (not because I’m down on Cano – but because I think you could improve the team in several other areas by trading him and the risk of committing to him at 31 for 7 years and 120 M is pretty high). Catcher and LF should also be obvious areas to upgrade. I would like to see a health Austin Romine get a look as well as Abe and Zoilo Almonte this spring.

    Here are some guys I would look at as FA’s:

    Torri Hunter
    Chris Ianetta
    Scott Hairston
    Michael Bourn

  143. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    LGY September 5th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    Wish I could put that second part in small print.
    —————-

    It’s ok, we all make mistakes.

  144. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Slade Heathcott ?@SladeHeathcott

    I guess people get threatened when people below them are better then they are at their job….

    ———————————-

    Yep he’s pissed off lol.
    ——————

    Ouch.

  145. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    blake September 5th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    “Let me rephrase that the money that could have gone to Holliday went to Tex”

    why? Was this the turning point when the budget mattered more than winning? Maybe it was……

    ——————–

    Maybe it was the turning point. Ppl have to remember Cashman has been talking about getting the payroll in line since what 06. Wasn’t he the one that said the salary structure existed in an old way of thinking.

  146. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Much like Matt Kemp

    —————–

    Look how good Kemp turned out though. Not saying it will happen the same way but they need bats…young ones

  147. Shame Spencer September 5th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    That article from RAB about the number of Rays scouts vs. Yankee scouts was troubling.

    I do not understand stuff like that. Team Greedy wants ALL the scouts.

  148. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Cashman is a really thoughtful guy who doesn’t like getting harried into making moves, that’s why, I think, he prefers to make his moves in the winter and then tinker around the edges in season – he’s so afraid of doing the wrong thing (especially as it relates to pitching) that often he does nothing instead. This season the Yankees needed to make major changes in season and didn’t, because that’s not how Brian operates.

    ————————

    Maybe he needs to change the way he operates especially when the team is in need of help at the deadline.

  149. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    blake September 5th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    “Let me rephrase that the money that could have gone to Holliday went to Tex”

    why? Was this the turning point when the budget mattered more than winning? Maybe it was……
    ————————-

    I know I sound like a broken record, but I truly believe that Brian resents the fact that he’s not considered an elite GM in the way that Beane and Theo are – that there are those around the game and in the media who attribute his success to the payroll that he has to work with and not with any real foresight on his part.

    Now, my personal opinion is that if he wants to prove those people wrong then he should resign from the Yankees and take over a mid to small market team rather than try to pare down the payroll with a roster that has so little flexibility in it.

    I do like the fact that he’s trying to rebuild the farm system and we have seen some fruit borne from that tree and hopefully more will come in the next few years (Tyler Austin already playing at AA is a tremendous sign). But you can’t have it both ways – if you’re going to cut back on how much you spend then you can’t make mistakes like he has and you have to hit on the guys you’re developing.

    His plan was to enter 2013 with a rotation of CC, Pineda, Nova, Banuelos, Betances – where one guy is over 30 and one guy is making any significant money – also with Robertson and Joba as the back of the pen. That’s obviously not going to happen – which means they have to adjust and Brian has to be flexible enough to do that.

  150. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank September 5th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    “Arod will be tired after playing on turf”
    Really?? It’s not like he’s some couch potato doing pickup softball once a year??

  151. Jerkface September 5th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    His plan was to enter 2013 with a rotation of CC, Pineda, Nova, Banuelos, Betances

    Where did Hughes go?

  152. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    Jerkface September 5th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    His plan was to enter 2013 with a rotation of CC, Pineda, Nova, Banuelos, Betances

    Where did Hughes go?
    ——————

    Traded for prospects or a RF to lower payroll.

  153. blake September 5th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    “I’m not even that high on Justin Upton. He always seemed banged up and he seems to have attitude issues. Much like Matt Kemp”

    Matt Kemp is kinda good

  154. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    - Face –

    It’s possible he believed (after the way 2011 played out) that by this point in the season Hughes would’ve been supplanted by Banuelos.

  155. blake September 5th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    “Justin Upton is a fantasy. Towers is not going to trade him for what the Yanks are able to give”

    you don’t know that

  156. DONNYBROOK September 5th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    If your serious about trading for J. Upton and his AAV, And hitting that $189 Mill target, you include Cano in the Yankee package, and get the Dodgers involved while they are playing fast-and-loose with the $$$.

  157. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    blake September 5th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    “Justin Upton is a fantasy. Towers is not going to trade him for what the Yanks are able to give”

    you don’t know that

    —————————-

    True but the odds are unlikely that Upton is in pinstripes. Either Cashman won’t want to pay the price or Towers doesn’t like the package.

  158. G. Love September 5th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    Chip,

    I used to call it Cashman’s “Shame of the payroll” routine. You knew he hated the fact that if the team won, he got no credit for his baseball acumen. But where is this acumen? He can’t develop players to their predicted ceilings. Other orgs take guys like Kennedy and Ajax and turn them into stars. The Yankees take guys like Hughes and Joba and turn them into regrets.

    Cashman has to go. He has to. For this team to evolve to the next stage he needs to be gone. They can’t bump him up to team President or some role. They need him off the Yankees completely.

    When we compile the list of players he passed on for money or because of his evaluations of them, it’ll be startling. It will be easy to see why this team is what it is right now. Matt Holliday, Aroldis Chapman, Cespedes are obvious choices.

    But then there’s guys like Chen on Baltimore. Our scouting didn’t know about him? Perhaps signing a few guys like him and keeping the LHP we had in the organization that starts for the White Sox would mean he wouldn’t need to trade Montero for Pineda.

    And I still would’ve paid for Darvish. 200k pitchers in their rookie season don’t grow on trees.

    Cashman has an agenda. He wants to pick up trash that other teams discard and get credit for turning it into gold.

    The brashness of us signing El Duque and Matsui would never happen with him at the helm.

    He’s a toad as a human being and he’s a headcase GM who is afraid of embracing the advantages he had (and “had” is correct) with being GM of the Yankees.

    We’re paying for it now and the Stein’s are going to pay for it in the future when the fans just don’t care enough to watch the last days of Rome.

  159. Wave Your Hat September 5th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    “you don’t know that”

    Of course not based on Cashman or Towers talking to me but I do know it looking at the teams.

  160. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    @SladeHeathcott

    The one person that got me better this year in weight room for a change they let go? Figure it out Jay made everyone better and stronger.
    Retweeted

    ———-

    Probably a safe bet Heathcott gets traded this winter.
    ///

    That was my thought. Not enough of a company boy. Too much of a thinking man.

  161. jacksquat September 5th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    Shame Spencer September 5th, 2012 at 11:33 am
    That article from RAB about the number of Rays scouts vs. Yankee scouts was troubling.

    I do not understand stuff like that. Team Greedy wants ALL the scouts.

    We can’t even keep the good physical trainers apparently.

  162. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Shame Spencer September 5th, 2012 at 11:33 am
    That article from RAB about the number of Rays scouts vs. Yankee scouts was troubling.

    ——————–

    As I said yesterday they want to be the Rays with money but to be honest they aren’t as smart as the Rays.

  163. DONNYBROOK September 5th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    Again, Hal speaking to The Post at this Exact juncture signals a change. George consistently put players and Mgt personel “on notice” via the press. The son is ever so slowly turning into the father.

  164. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    jacksquat September 5th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    The idea that it’s the “same lineup” just says that people are stuck in time, and that’s probably why many here just shrugged over losing a mid-order, young, uber talented bat who also is a catcher.

    Very few “just shrugged”, we just don’t see the point of posting about it several times every f***ing day.
    ///

    Your trolling of me is really getting old. That aside, you were not exactly a very vocal dissenting voice regarding the trade. The people who were, and who backed it up, are well known, here. You want to continually paint me as some kind of malcontent for its own sake, rather than a guy who had and has a point that the season is bearing out, I really don’t care.

    My position was the trade stunk, because you gave up an elite hitting prospect who fit the park like a glove, and backed it up with a stunning debut.

    The trade stunk, because as I said, yes repeatedly, to counter the propaganda or self delusions that the “lineup was fine” “look at our runs scored,” that the lineup, and not the SP was the issue…

    Where were you, jacksquat? Licking Cashman’s boots, as I recall. Trying to muzzle the just outrage over an incredibly blind move. That’s where you were, whether you had some misgivings or not, your energy went to trying to justify the front office and to intolerance for anyone who even mentioned the name Montero. That’s who you are.

  165. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    G. Love –

    I agree. I don’t argue with the success the Yankees have had under Cashman, and some players have developed nicely (Cano, Robertson) but in general I believe that all jobs have a shelf life, Torre reached his, and now Cashman is nearing his. When you’re with an organization as long as Cashman has been with the Yankees you can develop blind spots. People who you personally like and respect may be doing a subpar job and you don’t see it (Nardi Contreras).

    With the organization at a bit of a crossroads right now – in that they have several big free agency decisions to make, older players in decline and younger players on the way up – it would be the perfect time to bring in someone fresh, someone with no ties to the organization or the people in it – and have them do a raw evaluation.

    The fear I have with doing something like this is that since Hal took over, you’ve seen Randy Levine become more vocal in the area of player personnel (Rafael Soriano); would a new GM be given a free hand to make the sweeping changes that may be as the Cubs did hiring Theo or would we wind up with another Ben Cherrington/Larry Lucchino scenario?

  166. UnKnown September 5th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    http://riveraveblues.com/2012/...../#comments

    “The pitching staff owns a solid 4.04 ERA (4.01 FIP) since the All-Star break but the offense has been unable to pick them up far too often.”

    “They aren’t changing things up just for the heck of it, this is a club that has scored a whopping 36 runs in their last dozen games, an average of exactly three runs per contest. I don’t care how great your pitching is, no team wins with that kind of offense.”

    Awesome write up by Axisa.

  167. Wave Your Hat September 5th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    JAP, lot of hostility showing there.

  168. jacksquat September 5th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Hal has a long way to go to be like his father. George would have picked up at least one major player before the dealine. He would have gone into the clubhouse after one of the many losses and ripped the team by now. He may have even fired someone.

  169. Tackelberry September 5th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    DONNYBROOK September 5th, 2012 at 11:42 am
    If your serious about trading for J. Upton and his AAV, And hitting that $189 Mill target, you include Cano in the Yankee package, and get the Dodgers involved while they are playing fast-and-loose with the $$$.

    _____________________________________________

    If Cano is going to the Dodgers, then Clayton Kershaw better be coming to the Yankees in that deal

  170. Tackelberry September 5th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Tackelberry September 5th, 2012 at 11:59 am
    DONNYBROOK September 5th, 2012 at 11:42 am
    If your serious about trading for J. Upton and his AAV, And hitting that $189 Mill target, you include Cano in the Yankee package, and get the Dodgers involved while they are playing fast-and-loose with the $$$.

    _____________________________________________

    If Cano is going to the Dodgers, then Clayton Kershaw better be coming to the Yankees in that deal
    __________________________________________

    or matt Kemp

  171. fantasygame101 September 5th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    I hope they will not say anything that resemble pressure to swisher or lese his struggle will start in september. Contact average hitter with speed is what this team needs more. They can not have slugger who has below batting average all around the lineup. Even the angels are better in those days that they are a pesky bunch than right now. Ideally, you should have 5 or 6 high average hitter even with average slugging.

  172. blake September 5th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    “True but the odds are unlikely that Upton is in pinstripes. Either Cashman won’t want to pay the price or Towers doesn’t like the package.”

    Sure….but that doesnt mean they shouldnt try.

    Donny,

    Trading Cano for Upton makes the team worse.

  173. Tidrow September 5th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Who’s to say Matt Holliday does what he’s doing playing in frenzied NY media market. It’s a whole different animal here.

  174. Shame Spencer September 5th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    I hate that Cash feels that way… a lot of fans feel that way too, that we should be apologizing for spending the most money.

    That’s ridiculous. I don’t care that people think we buy championships. At least we win them!! All that talk about how much Maddon has won with the Rays last night grosses me out. Who wants to be the Rays, where winning the regular season is all that seems to matter??? The Rays have been a moderately successful regular season team over the last 5 years. That’s all. I don’t want to be the Rays. I want to actually win something that matters. And I don’t really care whether we fly there or swim there… as long as we get there. So spend whatever the hell you need to in order to make this team a winner and when people ask about it tell them with a giant smile, ‘Yep, that’s right, we bought it – fair and square!!’

  175. jacksquat September 5th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    JAP, you appear to be trying to contrive some sort of narrative, even dividing people into camps.

    I was shocked and upset at the time of the trade. My plans were for Montero to catch and DH. I understood the importance of Posada, and even posted that he would be missed, that having a bat at that position was important.

    However, I can move on. If anyone is trolling it is you.

  176. blake September 5th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Heathcott for Upton! Nah…I hope they keep him and he makes it…..Id kinda like having a player that will beat up a red sox catcher when necessary

  177. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Wave Your Hat September 5th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    JAP, lot of hostility showing there.
    ///

    Sure, because I haven’t been getting jumped by the houseplants on here for months for daring to call Cashman out for his feeble decisions, folks who like to hit and run and demonize other posters rather than counter their points. Your tolerance of said folks and their hostility cries “foul” about your intentions. Pass.

  178. LGY September 5th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    If your serious about trading for J. Upton and his AAV, And hitting that $189 Mill target, you include Cano in the Yankee package, and get the Dodgers involved while they are playing fast-and-loose with the $$$.

    ——–

    Take an already declining offense and make it even worse. Good plan!

    The whole point of trading for Upton is to pair him with Cano.

  179. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    blake September 5th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Heathcott for Upton! Nah…I hope they keep him and he makes it…..Id kinda like having a player that will beat up a red sox catcher when necessary
    ///

    If they deal Heathcott as a thinks-for-himself malcontent, what makes you think they’d be in on getting Upton, who has been similarly vilified by some of the Arizona media?

  180. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    blake September 5th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    “True but the odds are unlikely that Upton is in pinstripes. Either Cashman won’t want to pay the price or Towers doesn’t like the package.”

    Sure….but that doesnt mean they shouldnt try.

    ——————

    Of course they should try no doubt about that.

  181. jacksquat September 5th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    Let’s see if Girardi notices today that LHH hit significantly better off Moore than RHH.

  182. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    The posting history of your hit and runs are on record. Weak people can’t stand strong opinions. That’s their problem, I would say.

  183. The Return of Stoneburner September 5th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    Heathcott’s favorite player growing up – and I would sign up for these numbers:

    http://www.baseball-reference......ru01.shtml

    Hopefully Heathcott’s all out style like his favorite player will not lead to the short career – - – -

  184. Wave Your Hat September 5th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    “The posting history of your hit and runs are on record.”

    You talkin to me?

  185. blake September 5th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    Forget about what Montero has done this year…..the worrisome thing to me is that this front office apparently looked at this club and saw no need for the #3 prospect in baseball and a potential impact hitter…..they apparently thought they could spare offense…..poor self.evaluation

  186. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    Hopefully it doesn’t but I think this team needs that. It needs a young player with a little attitude.

  187. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    Cashman is really stupid. If he wanted to take credit for something, he could have: he signed Montero, didn’t he? He could have promoted Adams by now, he drafted him, didn’t he? He’s his own worst enemy. There’s plenty to “take credit for” had he let it breathe. I originally thought he was going to stick to his guns on Chamberlain, but he let Eppler and Eiland rule the day on that one. Look where it’s taken us. It’s that primary poor decision that keeps on giving and giving.

  188. blake September 5th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    “If they deal Heathcott as a thinks-for-himself malcontent, what makes you think they’d be in on getting Upton, who has been similarly vilified by some of the Arizona media?”

    Good point…..who are some nice toe the company line hitters to chase?

  189. austinmac September 5th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    The Yankees don’t take risks with money anymore. They prefer the sure thing of declining veteran production. They may have flaws, but they know of them so it makes it acceptable.

    Imagine the bullpen with Chapman, Cespedes hitting left handed pitching and on and on. They could have done this for money. The Yankees were too smart for their own good.

  190. jacksquat September 5th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
    The posting history of your hit and runs are on record. Weak people can’t stand strong opinions. That’s their problem, I would say.

    No, weak people go on and on and on crying and obsessing about one trade, calling for the head of the perpetrator. Jeez man, just become a Seattle fan and then you can have your woobie every day.

    And, not running, still here. Although I can’t sit here all day. I have other things to do in life.

  191. blake September 5th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    The main target this winter will be Matt Garza…..you watch.

  192. Wave Your Hat September 5th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    “they apparently thought they could spare offense…..poor self.evaluation”

    In retrospect, yes. However, Montero wasn’t going to be the guy to build an offense around, or it was reasonable to think so. However, a healthy Pineda would have made a huge difference to the 2012 Yanks, much more than Montero would have.

    Fighting words, I know.

  193. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    WYH, I am referring to the person whom you accused me of being hostile toward, which is, in light of his history in response to my comments about the Yankees here, amusing. Now I am done with his insidious, petty business, thanks.

  194. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    *this insidious business (although *his applies, since he hunted me down again, per usual).

  195. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    blake September 5th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    Forget about what Montero has done this year…..the worrisome thing to me is that this front office apparently looked at this club and saw no need for the #3 prospect in baseball and a potential impact hitter…..they apparently thought they could spare offense…..poor self.evaluation

    ——————————

    The bigger issue is you trade the #3 prospect and there goes the only impact bat past A ball. How does that happen? Where are the other impact bats?

  196. blake September 5th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    “In retrospect, yes. However, Montero wasn’t going to be the guy to build an offense around, or it was reasonable to think so. However, a healthy Pineda would have made a huge difference to the 2012 Yanks, much more than Montero would have.”

    Then why didnt they go get Darvish or CJ Wilson and keep Montero.? Answer….budget

  197. austinmac September 5th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    Ibanez is a good company man. Re-sign him.

  198. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Montero wasn’t going to be the guy to build an offense around, or it was reasonable to think so. However, a healthy Pineda would have made a huge difference to the 2012 Yanks, much more than Montero would have.

    ///

    Jesus Montero, a consensus “can’t miss” bat among the scouting community (including those among the ranks who are not the least bit interested in propping up Yankee prospects), expected to hit for both power and average, and whose swing is ideally suited for Yankee Stadium, is not going to be the guy to build an offense around. Um, why not?

  199. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    jacksquat,

    I’ve said this to you before. I am not interested in adversarial relationship with you. I’m frankly just not interested in you, at all.

    It is you who continue to get personal, right down to mocking luis, yankeefem, and myself for speaking spanish to each other. You’ve just done this over and over again. I have ignored 9 of 10 little jabs from you, so telling me, after taking yet another passive aggressive little swipe at me, that you “have better things to do,” well, pal, why don’t you just run along and do them? Because I don’t need to talk to you. At all.

  200. austinmac September 5th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    I like Matt Garza well enough, but their assets should be spent on bats. I doubt it will be.

  201. theREALkevin September 5th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Read a comment earlier saying that girardi shouldn’t be blamed cuz of the roster, it’s on cash. Then I read another comment saying cash shouldn’t be blamed, it’s on ownership. LOL. So it’s never anyone’s fault cuz everyone reports to the owner???

    I get that the roster is not put together great for the $$ they’ve spent. Cash is to blame. But let’s not act like Joe is some type of asset. He’s not. Their best move would be to implement a new regime of both GM & manager. It’s not working and theyve had enough time. Install a new GM who is better with the draft and can help rebuild the roster. & then hire a new manager who is more flexible & not so robotic & lame. It’s time.

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