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Postgame notes: “Same story every day”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Sep 05, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees have had a lead in seven of their past 10 losses. They’ve been held to six hits or less in each of their past five games. They’ve lost three in a row, five of their past six and 11 of their past 16. Their 10-game division lead has disappeared.

“Seems like the same story every day,” Derek Jeter said.

Slumps happen. We all know this. That 10-game lead was inflated by the fact the Yankees had been playing extremely well for quite a while, and it was generally understood that they were going to fall off that pace at some point. But to this extent? At this point the season? Against teams that are chasing them for the division title?

“We’ve got to hit,” Joe Girardi said. “That’s the bottom line. It’s hard to win if you don’t hit. We’ve had a tough time scoring runs the last couple weeks, probably starting around the White Sox series. That’s been part of our problem. We’re just not getting it done right now. As a club, we’re just not hitting the ball very well.”

After Robinson Cano homered in the first inning, the Yankees collected nothing but singles the rest of the way. They had six hits, only two of which came in the last five innings. Jeter’s eighth inning single was left stranded by back-to-back strikeouts. Alex Rodriguez’s ninth inning single and stolen base was left stranded by a routine fly ball and grounder to second.

Afterward, hitting coach Kevin Long was talking about the need to do something — anything — to get this team out of its offensive funk.

“We’ve got start doing some things,” Long said. “We might start having some guys bunt that you don’t normally see bunt. That might have to be the case right now until we get it going. Maybe we take a guy like Swisher in the third inning today, when it’s first and second with nobody out, maybe he bunts. We’re going to talk about that, and we’re going to address some of those things, and we’ll see if we can’t turn it around.

“… Obviously we’ve lived on some home runs, and that’s been well talked about, but at times like this it might be moving a runner. That’s just as important as hitting home runs. We’ll stay at it. We’ll keep battling. I think the biggest concern here is we’ve lost our cushion. We’ve got to turn it around, and we’ve got to turn it around in hurry.”

• Freddy Garcia has failed to pitch through the sixth inning in each of his past three starts, but this was his first loss since the end of July. This was the first time he’d allowed three home runs in a game since 2010. “That’s my fault today,” Garcia said. “I gave up five runs, we lost 5-2. Like I say, I don’t make the pitch when I need it and that’s why I got hurt.”

• Garcia was especially upset with himself for not being able to put hitters away. In the third inning, with a one-run lead, he had two outs and a 1-2 count on both Ben Zobrist and Evan Longoria. Zobrist walked and Longoria hit the go-ahead, two-run homer. “I got the guy 1-2, I go 3-2,” Garcia said. “I got this guy 1-2 and have to make a pitch. I cannot go 3-2. Right now we don’t need that. I’ve got that guy 1-2 I need to make a pitch and call the guy out, et him out.”

• On the bright side, the Yankees bullpen did a nice job with 2.2 hitless innings. Joba Chamberlain had his best inning since coming off the disabled list, striking out two in a 1-2-3 eighth inning.

• On the flip side, Rays starter Alex Cobb was outstanding and retired the last 10 batters he faced. “He mixes it up pretty good,” Jeter said. “He mixes in his offspeed pitches, spots his fastball and doesn’t throw too many balls over the middle of the plate. We scored those two runs early, but you’ve got to come put and score a little bit more. You want to make your pitching staff a little more comfortable, but we didn’t do it. We have to find ways to score more runs.”

• The Yankees five straight games of six hits or less is their longest such streak since 1990 when they had six straight games of six hits or less.

• The Yankees only runs came on Cano’s two-run homer in the first inning. It was his 29th of the season, tying his career-high. Cano has 10 extra-base hits in his past 12 games and leads all big league second basemen in batting average, hits, home runs and RBI.

• Cano said he hopes to play second base tomorrow. “I’m going to try to take groundballs before the game and see how it feels,” he said.

• Girardi was ejected in the fourth inning after Chris Dickerson was called out on a called strike three that looked high. Girardi didn’t want to talk about it and wouldn’t even tell the media why he was ejected, but the umpire crew said it was for arguing balls and strikes from the dugout. “It was a high pitch and (umpire Tony Randazzo) was kind of blocked out of there,” Long said. “It looked like it was way up. I went and watched the replay and it wasn’t as up as it looked to be. That was it. Obviously our dugout was stunned at the call and you go back and look at the replay and it’s not as bad as it looked, but Molina came up and came up really high, so it looked like the pitch was at his neck.”

• Long said Girardi wasn’t yelling at Randazzo, but rather telling Randazzo not to look toward the Yankees dugout after making such a borderline call. “There was yelling out of the dugout,” crew chief Brian Gorman said. “When Tony looked in, he told him to knock it off and Joe continued to yell. He was ejected for arguing pitches. He was arguing the last pitch of the at-bat.”

• Dickerson said he tried to call timeout before that last pitch, but that was a non-issue. The only argument was about the strike call.

• Final word goes to Cano: “We’ve got great talent on this team. Nobody wanted to be in this situation, but this is part of the game. We’ve got to go out there, forget about what happened in the past, and start from zero tomorrow.”

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117 Responses to “Postgame notes: “Same story every day””

  1. Melk Man September 5th, 2012 at 12:25 am

    It’s a long season with lots of ebbs and flows. This too will pass and we’ll be back to cruising to a division title yet again

  2. igotid88 September 5th, 2012 at 12:25 am

    yankeefeminista September 5th, 2012 at 12:20 am
    id, Posada in his prime was before Cashman was run prevention “born again.”
    ——————————-

    Maybe that’s why they ran him out

  3. Tyler September 5th, 2012 at 12:27 am

    Nick-

    That’s interesting. I bet they get at least 6. Huge week for Mizzou. Time to earn some respect in the “big boy league”. I think they pull the upset this week and then beat ASU next week. They’ll get trounced by South Carolina though… Lattimore will run for 200.

  4. yankeefeminista September 5th, 2012 at 12:30 am

    repost

    yankeefeminista September 5th, 2012 at 12:26 am

    Weren’t Lou and Singy actually ragging on Granderson’s big swing approach, trying to pull everything?

    Interesting to see what adjustments KLong has them make if any. Same talk last year in ALDS. Swish et al are going to bunt if necessary (Like Swish last year, KLong said). I will believe it when I see it.

    Was there an update tonight on Teix?

  5. igotid88 September 5th, 2012 at 12:31 am

    The Yankees could either be 4 games back of 1st by the end of the week. Possibly in 3rd place. Or have a 4 game lead and push Baltimore to 3rd place.

  6. Jerkface September 5th, 2012 at 12:31 am

    I don’t know why everyone seems to think Cash is on some run prevention kick. He has been a proponent of 2 way players, with the exception of catcher where they went with 1 way players. This is the same guy that signed Raul Ibanez knowing he’d get considerable time in the OF. If they really wanted run prevention he would not have traded for Swisher or Granderson.

    I think he just didn’t recognize the implosion coming or was not allowed to fix it due to management putting a spending cap on.

  7. yankeefeminista September 5th, 2012 at 12:31 am

    If Cano can’t play the field and Alex is sore from playing the field and needs a half day, we are screwed. You need both those bats and Nunez’s in the lineup vs. Moore.

  8. fantasygame101 September 5th, 2012 at 12:31 am

    everybody knows that this team is not capable of being consistent on the abc’s of moving the runners and get them in. They are walk and then hr’s. Those are things that goes on slump. Plus this team does not steal bases.

  9. igotid88 September 5th, 2012 at 12:32 am

    I should make that 5 games

  10. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 12:32 am

    yankeefem – yes, they were gently stating the obvious that escapes Girardi, or at least, he never speaks in those terms. I’ve had it with KLong.

  11. UnKnown September 5th, 2012 at 12:37 am

    Rosy – Nice pic of DA’s baby.

    I love how he is just looking at David with his eyes open and that look on the babies face is awesome.

  12. igotid88 September 5th, 2012 at 12:37 am

    If Grandy can just be a contact hitter and use his legs. Get those infield hits. Steal 30 bases. Hit 40 doubles. And run into 20 hrs. I think he can do it

  13. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 12:37 am

    Got rid of Montero, instead of to continuing with the Posada Paradigm, coupled with his low prioritizing of hit-for-average bats, with some “pitching wins” rhapsodizing sprinkled in….and gushed over Interstate Russ.

  14. yankeefeminista September 5th, 2012 at 12:37 am

    Ibanez was supposed to be a DH and not play the field that much, so getting him didn’t factor into negating Cashman’s penchant for run prevention type players. He had Gardy and Grandy, so probably didn’t mind a Swish type player in right which is the smallest field to cover. And Grandy certainly aids in run prevention, as much as he is unfairly maligned. At catcher Cash has gone overboard with run prevention at the expense of O. What other Yankee team would permit a .200 .665 OPS guy continue to catch for the NY Yankees?

  15. UnKnown September 5th, 2012 at 12:39 am

    Earlier this year the Yankees scored 3 runs off of Moore in 7 innings.

    I think I would sign up for that right now for tomorrow’s game and hope Kuroda and Soriano can hold them to 2 or less.

  16. igotid88 September 5th, 2012 at 12:42 am

    When the yankees face a pitcher who doesn’t have a great fastball. Why do they always look fastball? I thought MLB hitters can hit bad fastballs. If you’re going to swing 3 times in the at bat swing for a change uo.

  17. igotid88 September 5th, 2012 at 12:43 am

    When the yankees face a pitcher who doesn’t have a great fastball. Why do they always look fastball? I thought MLB hitters can hit bad fastballs. If you’re going to swing 3 times in the at bat swing for a change up

  18. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 12:44 am

    Tired. Kuroda-san tomorrow. G’nite.

  19. G. Love September 5th, 2012 at 12:44 am

    yanksfem,

    If Cashman keeps his job you can book it he’ll resign Martin to be starting C again either on a cheapy 1 year pillow contract or a 2 year 10-15 million total deal just to make Russell feel good about declining the 3 year 20-30 million deal he rejected in the spring when Cashman was dangling it.

  20. disco stu September 5th, 2012 at 12:46 am

    That 4 game series in mid-August where the Yankees won 3 out of 4 against the Rangers seems like an eternity ago.

    BTW, that series marks the last time the Yankees have won 2 or more games in a row … ever since they have not more than 1 game in a row at any point:

    lost final game of series against Texas after winning first 3 …
    won 2 out of 3 against Boston – lost middle game
    swept by Chicago
    won 2 out of 3 against Cleveland – lost middle game
    lost 2 out of 3 against Toronto – won middle game
    lost 2 out of 3 against Baltimore – won middle game
    lost first 2 of current series to Tampa Bay

    If you can’t string more than 1 win together it does make it rather hard to put together an extended stretch of winning baseball, doesnt it?

  21. jacksquat September 5th, 2012 at 12:46 am

    randy l. September 4th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
    the reason i’d start cervelli is to try something new.

    don’t just go through the motions.

    piss off some regulars.

    make changes.

    For once we agree!

    Here’s my lineup for tomorrow, basically everyone who has been sucking (the most) sits.

    2B – Nunez
    CF – Dickerson
    SS – Jeter
    DH – Cano
    3B – Chavez
    1B – McGehee
    LF – Nix
    RF – Pearce
    C – Cervelli

  22. igotid88 September 5th, 2012 at 12:48 am

    Nice swing by Montero but right at the 1st basemen

  23. igotid88 September 5th, 2012 at 12:50 am

    G. Love September 5th, 2012 at 12:44 am
    yanksfem,

    If Cashman keeps his job you can book it he’ll resign Martin to be starting C again either on a cheapy 1 year pillow contract or a 2 year 10-15 million total deal just to make Russell feel good about declining the 3 year 20-30 million deal he rejected in the spring when Cashman was dangling it.
    ———————

    At least don’t give him a player’s option

  24. jacksquat September 5th, 2012 at 12:51 am

    Keep in mind that lhh have actually hit Moore better than rhp.

    Of course Moore has a 2.08 ERA post AS break so it may not matter…

  25. igotid88 September 5th, 2012 at 12:54 am

    Is Nova coming back this week? I don’t think he should be facing the O’s. They hit him pretty well.

  26. Nick in SF September 5th, 2012 at 12:56 am

    “That’s interesting. I bet they get at least 6. ”

    The problem is that the Nevada game was supposed to be one of the at least 6. I think they’ll get past Directional Utah this Saturday, but then they’re on the road vs. Ohio St. and USC, so a 1-3 start is looking highly likely. Usually the Yanks are rolling right about now to take my mind off of early-season Cal humiliations… ugh, I need a drink.

  27. G. Love September 5th, 2012 at 12:57 am

    Nova’s not coming back anytime soon. I understand he had trouble throwing his fastball for strikes today in a bullpen session in front of Girardi and Rothschild.

  28. jacksquat September 5th, 2012 at 1:02 am

    If Nova can’t pitch, at this point I’m ready to give Warren a shot over Freddy.

  29. jacksquat September 5th, 2012 at 1:04 am

    Then again, maybe not.

  30. fantasygame101 September 5th, 2012 at 1:06 am

    I think rothschild is a better option than freddy right now.

  31. igotid88 September 5th, 2012 at 1:08 am

    They may need a spot starter on Sunday for Freddy. Warren or Lowe?

  32. Nick in SF September 5th, 2012 at 1:09 am

    Maybe Nova and Andy can piggyback a start like it’s a sim start. Freddy’s pretty much simulating a big-league starter right now already.

  33. igotid88 September 5th, 2012 at 1:11 am

    If you are starting Freddy. Warm up Lowe or another long man in the 4th inning. I know I keep saying Lowe but he’s the only long man I can think of right now. Unless the bullpen is barely used on Friday and Saturday. Then you can hopefully go 1 reliever an inning with the day off on Monday.

  34. fantasygame101 September 5th, 2012 at 1:11 am

    try oswalt. he throws harder than freddy.

  35. igotid88 September 5th, 2012 at 1:14 am

    I’ll take Clemens right now over Freddy

  36. Nick in SF September 5th, 2012 at 1:16 am

    Lowe was great that first game where he went four innings. Has he had a clean inning since? I’ve missed some innings/games, but I’ve only seen him look pretty awful since that first appearance.

  37. CompassRosy September 5th, 2012 at 1:23 am

    Unknown ~
    Pics like that remind us that there is so much more to life than this game of basesball…

  38. Jerkface September 5th, 2012 at 1:23 am

    Ibanez was supposed to be a DH and not play the field that much, so getting him didn’t factor into negating Cashman’s penchant for run prevention type players.

    Yea but they cited his ability to play the field as being important and it was obvious he was going to get playing time there. I don’t buy it, if anything it just shows that Cash likes sluggers.

  39. igotid88 September 5th, 2012 at 1:34 am

    Nick in SF September 5th, 2012 at 1:16 am
    Lowe was great that first game where he went four innings. Has he had a clean inning since? I’ve missed some innings/games, but I’ve only seen him look pretty awful since that first appearance.
    ———–

    Yea he has been. Maybe he’ll pitch differently as a starter.

  40. igotid88 September 5th, 2012 at 1:36 am

    a non strike 3 call has kept the inning alive for seattle

  41. CompassRosy September 5th, 2012 at 1:38 am

    2 out triple… So close…

  42. Cashmoney September 5th, 2012 at 2:00 am

    can’t say that I am surprised that Freddy gave up some runs or the Yankees did not score any…but the, it’s old news lately. actually, if Yanks losing ways serves as catalyst for some wholesale changes , I don’t mind at all.

  43. Cashmoney September 5th, 2012 at 2:03 am

    if Cashman sign Martin to anything, I will vote him off the island. Manhattan that is… Martin can be a starter for the rays next year and become a CERA superstar.

  44. UnKnown September 5th, 2012 at 2:04 am

    Should’ve gotten Chase Headley at the deadline…

  45. RYUKINGDOM September 5th, 2012 at 2:20 am

    Long should keep quiet and be canned….He takes credit for Granderson’s homerun quest and useless on anything other than a connected homer. I’d trade 12 homers from batting over .300 and stealing @ least 25 bags a year.

  46. RYUKINGDOM September 5th, 2012 at 2:23 am

    I’m with Lou Pinella all the way. He criticized how the Yankees take too many good fast balls and swing and miss or ground out softly on changeups. The Yankees are relying on homers and rarely go and hit to the opposite field. Get Lou out of retirement NOW. Not sure if he’d like to manage again.

  47. MTU September 5th, 2012 at 6:24 am

    Pitching does win but you need a decent O to go with it.

    Like someone said this team was built to win games where the opponent is limited to 3-4 runs.

    It is not designed win them 2-1, 1-0 consistently.

    The team is not, and was not, a come from behind team either.

    They were designed to take a lead and hold it.

    The O is happless right now.

    Maybe we get lucky and Kuroda just puts up a ton of 0′s.

    Of all the guy’s on our staff he’s the most likely to do it.

    The season is slipping away.

    Really sad to see.

  48. MTU September 5th, 2012 at 6:26 am

    The only silver lining in all of this is that it should lead to some serious soul-searching, and changes in the OS.

    189 is a straightjacket.

    Plain and simple.

  49. MTU September 5th, 2012 at 6:36 am

    The danger is that the Yankees might just do a 1st half vs. 2nd half comparison and conclude that it was just all the injuries that took there toll.

    If they accept that not much will change in the OS.

  50. MTU September 5th, 2012 at 6:37 am

    When you’re team blows a 10 game cushion you’d better make some changes for the following season.

    ;)

  51. MTU September 5th, 2012 at 6:38 am

    It’s been nice speaking to myself.

    ;)

  52. MTU September 5th, 2012 at 6:47 am

    So.

    In light of the above.

    What changes would I make in the OS ?

    I trade one of our pitchers, + + for Upton or similar young, impact OF.

    I’d make sure I re-sign either AP or Kuroda or both on 1 year deals.

    I’d hope Mo has one more year of magic left in him and I’d hope that Soriano does not opt out.

    I’d pretty much dump Martin for just about anyone but I like AJ Pierzynski on a 1 + 1 contract.

    I’d see what Grandy brings back in trade.

    I’m thinking at least 1 “A” prospect. A near-ready 3b type would be great.

    I re-sign Swisher for no more than 4.

    I get rid of as much dead wood as possible.

    I think about a diiferent hitting coach. One who preaches more “situational hitting” , and less emphasis on pure power.

    I seriously think about a Managerial change.

    That’s roughly it for me.

    I’m sure I’m forgetting something.

  53. MTU September 5th, 2012 at 6:56 am

    That gives me a Ro of :

    CC
    AP and/or Kuroda
    2 of Hughes/Nova/Phelps

    Pineda/Warren as BUP’s

    Pen:

    Mo
    So
    D-Rob
    Joba
    Logan
    Wade
    ?

    Team:

    Jeter
    Cano
    Tex
    Upton
    Swisher
    Pierzynski
    GGBG
    A-Rod

    Bench:

    Romine, Cervelli, or Stewart
    Chavez/Adams
    Nix/Nunez

    That’s a winner to me.

  54. MTU September 5th, 2012 at 6:57 am

    As you can see I’m doin’ what I always do.

    Looking forward.

    Never get bogged down in the past.

  55. MTU September 5th, 2012 at 6:57 am

    OK. I’m done now.

    I await commentary.

  56. jmills September 5th, 2012 at 6:57 am

    Hi MTU – just listening to Lenny Breau do a version of Melford and Golson’s , ” Long Way To Go.” Ain’t that the truth mon ami?

  57. MTU September 5th, 2012 at 6:59 am

    Mills-

    Right now it seems like a movie “A Bridge too far”.

    ;)

  58. MTU September 5th, 2012 at 7:01 am

    where on one side of the Rubicon.

    We’d better cross it in a hurry.

    Before it’s too late.

  59. jmills September 5th, 2012 at 7:03 am

    MTU – we have to pick a better ending for all sides – in the meantime , you can have Stieb’s slider on loan :)

  60. MTU September 5th, 2012 at 7:04 am

    Thanks.

    We can use all the help we can get.

    We suck right now.

  61. MTU September 5th, 2012 at 7:06 am

    Think I’ll go throw myself on a sharp cactus.

    It would be less painful than watching the Yankees right now.

    :)

  62. jmills September 5th, 2012 at 7:07 am

    Well, as the Chinese curse goes, ” may you live in interesting times.”

    Take care, MTU, look forward to more pics another night. Enjoy the, ” mops.”

  63. MTU September 5th, 2012 at 7:09 am

    Mills-

    The Chinese also have another pearl of wisdom.

    “It’s better to watch your neighbor fall off a wall.”

    I usually post photos as a tribute for work well done.

    Hasn’t been much of that lately.

    ;)

  64. jmills September 5th, 2012 at 7:10 am

    P.S. – I fell into a big boy cactus moving it inside – tweezers in my knee all afternoon

    Over and out!

  65. MTU September 5th, 2012 at 7:11 am

    The small needle Cacti are actually worse in some ways.

    Almost impossible to get all of the buggers out.

    :(

  66. Villa Nova-Ya September 5th, 2012 at 7:19 am

    This is what I don’t understand.

    KLong has had players do situational hitting drills in BP for as long as he’s been the coach. I’ve heard the players talk about it. So, it’s not like they don’t address the need for a different approach in different hitting circumstances. BUT they don’t seem to be willing to bring that practice into the game.

    They do not seem to have a clear approach or any approach to hitting pitchers who feature very good off-speed pitches – changeups particularly. And lately they’ve faced more and more of them. And teams have changed the way they pitch to the Yankees – they’ve caught on that the Yankees are an inflexible lineup.

    Now, I don’t know if it’s the players being stubborn – adamant that their approaches have worked in the past, and there is no need to change, and in fact, if the try to alter their approach it will hurt what has worked for them in the past (which I really don’t get – are they that fragile??). Or should the hitting coach be more adamant in saying THIS is how we’re going to approach this guy. PERIOD.

    Perhaps it is a two-edged sword having all those veterans. The Orioles and the Rays have young or youngish teams – the Orioles have no recent success to fall back on, nor did the Rays at the start of their recent (and sustained) emergence. So, the managers of those teams, and the coaches, have the ability to say – what you were doing hasn’t worked. We are going to do it this way, and if we all buy into this, we will get good results. The players have nothing to lose. They buy in 100% and follow the managers’ visions. A veteran team (or a team of veterans, more like) is not as malleable. Harder to get them to change.

    HOWEVER in 2009, I remember ARod speaking A LOT about how Girardi talked about the team buying into a certain way and it worked for them. So WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED???? This team does not play the game the same way the 2009 team played. The key players are the same.

    I understand the impact of the injuries. I’ve stated here that the degree of injuries and to whom they were inflicted is significant, and the trickle down effect has hit them hard in a slow-drip sort of way.

    What ticked me off about Long’s interview last night is this: NOW he talks about changing their approach? NOW? With 3 weeks left to a dwindling season????? They’ve had RISP challenges all season. They couldn’t have tried something, I don’t know, a MONTH ago???

    Who knows? Maybe he talked about it and the players ignored it. Maybe they all think they know best for themselves. Maybe they think Long is just a swing doctor and no more than that and so don’t trust him. Because he mentioned trust a lot last night, and I don’t get the impression that this team doesn’t trust each other. I think the are a good group, but I think it’s less about trust than about wanting to be the “guy.” Perhaps Long’s been saying this all along, and the players didn’t trust that approach?

    And the pitching’s been awful. Seven out of the last ten games they’ve had leads. That’s 7 games they should have won.

    So, let’s see the changes. Cause they can’t play any worse than they already are, can they???

  67. MTU September 5th, 2012 at 7:24 am

    VN-

    And I thought I was bad.

    You wrote a book.

    You’re right. Can be any worse.

    ;)

  68. MTU September 5th, 2012 at 7:25 am

    edit: can’t

    sorry.

  69. MTU September 5th, 2012 at 7:30 am

    Off to walk the Mops.

    At least that still makes sense.

    Later.

  70. Villa Nova-Ya September 5th, 2012 at 7:35 am

    MTU -

    You know how it is, one thought leads to another! The fingers just keep flying when I’m riled up. ;)

    I was livid at K Long last night. Now I’m livid at K Long AND the hitters. And I expect K Long will not be here next season. He was just a skosh too forthcoming last night. By Yankees standards.

    But the more I think about it, the more I am convinced that K Long has tried to to convince this lineup to change its approach – understanding it’s a HR hitting club, but you can’t be all that all the time, and for whatever reason, they’re not receptive to that. That’s on the team. But then you have to ask, for a guy who is so respected and spoken of so highly, why wouldn’t these veterans take his counsel? It might be as simple as stars get to be stars partly due their makeup, and a supreme trust in themselves and in their own abilities. So it would take a lot for them to abandon what has worked for them in the past. Creatures of habit and victims of their own belief in themselves. And an inability to really see weakness in themselves.

    I’m really concerned about Granderson though. He obviously was one who was willing to make changes.

  71. Yankee Trader September 5th, 2012 at 7:36 am

    Good morning-

    It’s nice to hear that the owner, Hal, is as frustrated as we are. If you want to read more the interview is attached.

    “The fans and my family, we expect them to push through now. I’m sure they will. But it’s a little frustrating, no doubt.”

    “They’ve got to keep grinding. They’ve got to keep pushing. They will. They know what’s expected of them.”

    http://slidingintohome.blogspot.com/

  72. blake September 5th, 2012 at 7:38 am

    Back in January I and many others expressed concern with the Montero deal stating that we thought the Yankees needed offense more going forward than pitching……

    The Yankees chose to make that deal hoping that their aging lineup could stay good enough for long enough until some internal help arrived from the lower levels.

    Now Montero hasnt had the greatest year…..though hes been great vs LHP and much better away from Safeco……but its not so much that Montero would have saved the day as it was the mindset that the “offense is fine” despite pretty obvious signs that something like this could happen…..

    the cracks have been there for years….pretty much started when Alex started getting hurt and when Tex declined from beijg an elite player….

    Ive been pushing them to add offense since 2010………they have continued to stick their heads in the sand and believed that if you dress 9 guys up in Yankee uniforms then they are suddenly a Yankee lineup……that just aint so.

    Its time to address it finally…..or this club is headed towards where the Phillies are……but really all that matters is that we get below that luxury yax right?

  73. blake September 5th, 2012 at 7:44 am

    Hal can say whatever he wants…..he’ll show me he actually gives a crap when he does something about it.

  74. Villa Nova-Ya September 5th, 2012 at 7:49 am

    blake -

    I guess we’ll find out how serious they are about getting to 189 if they miss the playoffs or get eliminated in the play-in round. Not getting into the playoffs in 2008 led to CC, AJ and Tex, and they won it all in 2009.

    It’s easy to talk about the budgetary constraints when you’re winning and getting to the post-season. But between the poor play we’ve seen lately and people thinking twice about how they spend their more limited discretionary dollars, the 189 might be cutting their nose to spite their face. If they don’t remain a team perpetually in contention, I don’t know.

    I avoid Montero talk as much as possible. There’s nothing new to say. I didn’t like the trade at the time, but I can’t dwell on it because it does no good and the constant talk about that trade and the vitriol it inspires is a huge turnoff. And there is no way to know how the season would have turned out.

    But I get what you’re saying – I felt they needed not to rely so much on Rodriguez going forward, and they definitely were.

    The last 4 to 6 weeks of Yankees baseball has been awful. Slumps happen, and at first, you could chalk it up to a slump, a cooling off, whatever. But it’s going on too long. It could turn around, but it would be nice if the pitching could hold a lead more than once in a while. And it would be nice if they could have a break out inning or two here and there. But it’s not going to happen if they keep looking like they never saw a changeup before in their lives.

  75. Yankee Trader September 5th, 2012 at 7:49 am

    What ticked me off about Long’s interview last night is this: NOW he talks about changing their approach? NOW? With 3 weeks left to a dwindling season????? They’ve had RISP challenges all season. They couldn’t have tried something, I don’t know, a MONTH ago???
    ——————————————
    Villa-

    Didn’t watch the game last night. Didn’t even watch any post game interviews. Watched the second night series of COMA- an apt description of what the Yankees are in!

    Is it preparation before each and every game that is lacking? Do the Yankees spend enough time analyzing all the teams weaknesses? Or do the hitters just feel that can rely on their god given ability?

    Maddon who spends up to 45 minutes before a game digesting data provided by the teams one big expenditure-analysts. “Data, video, all the different stuff that’s out there is slanted toward the pitching and defense.”

  76. blake September 5th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    With regards to their approach…..it is somewhat what it is…..they have a linup full of limited hitters that have to guess a lot…..all hitters guess but what I mean is that they have to cheat to get to fastballs and then they are done on anything offspeed.

    This team was built though to hit homers and walk…..Cashman has said as much…..the problem is that they arent walking because pitchers are dominating them…..

    .its a one dimensional and aging offense and at this point if they ask them to change itll likely make things worse…….just like this spring when Tex decided to use the whole field…..he cant hit the ball the other was with his LH swing so the result was it took away from his strength and made things worse

  77. Yankee Trader September 5th, 2012 at 8:01 am

    Blake-

    Maybe the Yankees just need to do what they can to clean house.

    It was a mistake to start Granderson last night. he has terrible numbers vs the Rays. It’s a mistake to believe that Garcia can get hitters out who are patient waiting for him to get his slop, up in the zone.

    This team has been “exposed” for months now. The other teams know their weaknesses and are using it to their advantage.

  78. Villa Nova-Ya September 5th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    Yankee Trader -

    Well, first, I find it interesting that Girardi is called “Binder Joe” because of his reliance on data, and is derided for it. Maddon does it and he’s a genius.

    The thing is, you can spend all you want on analysis. But it’s worthless if the team can’t or doesn’t execute according to the plan. The Rays do execute for the most part. But I think you have to look and see that even with the analysis, the shifts, all of that, the Rays are not 162-0 and they do not have the best record in the baseball, in the league, or in their division. The Rays have not won a WS, nor have they played in one yet. They are not a perfect team.

    It also goes toward what I said before – that a team of youngsters with nothing to lose will follow a strong leader like Maddon (or Showalter). The Rays have experienced a level of success with Maddon, so now it is not “blindly” following his direction. A team full of veterans like the Yankees have just approaches things differently. I believe the players are assumed to know what to do and how to play the game. For the most part, the Yankees players do. But when your bench, who are your fill-in guys designed to be with the team on a short-term basis for particular roles, turns out to be your daily line-up due to injuries, good things are not going to happen for any extended period of time.

    At the end of the day it’s whether one team executes its plan better than the other team on a DAILY basis. And since human beings play the game, you’ll never reach the nirvana of perfect execution. Even if you are perfect one day, the opposing team can be a touch more perfect. Because someone has to win the game.

  79. Villa Nova-Ya September 5th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    And I just feel the need to say that at the beginning of the season, warts and all, most (not all) of the posters here still had them winning the division – some said handily, some said squeaking by.

    Many acknowledged that the lineup was aging, but still talented enough.

    And I would say that the pieces of the lineup that are not performing to expectations (Cano Granderson, Tex, Martin), or who seem to not “get” situational hitting (Swisher) are not the old guys.

  80. austinmac September 5th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    Hal was at a game, and lo and behold, Cashman is going tonight. When he traveled with the team last week, it was for family reasons. They may notice the team isn’t playing well.

  81. Yankee Trader September 5th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    Villa-

    Well said. Binder Joe got that name mostly by the pitching matchups he uses with the bullpen. Maddon is not a genius,but he ……………………………
    Ah heck with it-I have no answer why the Yankees don’t shake thngs up once in a while-bunt when one isn’t expected, for a hit, etc.

  82. Villa Nova-Ya September 5th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    Yankee Trader -

    I don’t know what they’re afraid of. It really couldn’t be worse than looking foolish every night trying to pull pitches that can’t be pulled into a shift that exists because other teams know with great certainty that you’re not going to try to do anything differently.

  83. Bobby Murcer September 5th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    I don’t know what they’re afraid of. It really couldn’t be worse than looking foolish every night trying to pull pitches that can’t be pulled into a shift that exists because other teams know with great certainty that you’re not going to try to do anything differently.

    ———————————————————-

    One of the definitions of insanity is doing the same exact thing every time
    and expecting different results. That’s my biggest frustration with Joe G.
    and the Yankees’ swing from the heels approach. It’s failed consistently for
    7 weeks, but, hey, let’s keep trying it because maybe today the opposing
    pitchers will start throwing only fastballs down the middle. And, by all means,
    in a close game, let’s use 46 relief pitchers in one inning to ensure that we
    get the benefits of the R/L matchups.

  84. Yankee Trader September 5th, 2012 at 8:28 am

    Here’s an off the wall as to why the Yankees are losing.

    Melky Cabrera has been cheating, using the new gold standard of PEDs, testosterone, and obviously he has been using masking agents for a while. Now MLB caught him and suspended him August 15th.

    The Yankees are 5-12 since then. Have some players on the Yankees now stopped using testosterone, afraid the masking agents wouldn’t protect them from being caught? Is there a current cheater/cheaters amongst the team?

    I sure hope not!

    I almost deleted it, but this is a possibility that no-one wants to really hear.

  85. 86w183 September 5th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    I’m just thrilled that NOW they are going to “talk about” doing something to try and manufacture some runs.

    What the hell have they been talking about lately?

    The biggest issue I see if that they are swinging at 15-20 bad pitches every game. the team that grinded at bats, wore down starting pitching and “didn’t get themselves out” no longer exists.

    If it doesn’t reappear soon the off-season remodling project will start much sooner than any of us wants it to.

  86. Villa Nova-Ya September 5th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    86w183 -

    And letting eminently hittable pitches go untouched. SMH

    They are completed upended right now.

  87. Villa Nova-Ya September 5th, 2012 at 8:35 am

    **completely, not completed, upended

  88. blake September 5th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    “the team that grinded at bats, wore down starting pitching and “didn’t get themselves out” no longer exists.”

    Nope….Jeter will still you those ABs…..and Cano is an elite hitter still but everyone else is so boom or bust…..Ichiro was supposed to give them another contact guy but he just looks totally cooked and he refuses to work a count and walk……starting to see why Mariners fans were ready for him to go….watching him go up there and swing through and slap at pitches gets old….

  89. Yankee Trader September 5th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    **completely, not completed, upended
    ———————-
    Villa-

    I know it’s not over until “the fat lady sings, ” but completed might have been the correct word to use in this instance. :)

  90. blake September 5th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    They should let Swisher walk unless he will do a 3/30 type deal…..they should seriously consider trading Granderson if the return is decent…..they should go after Justin Upton or Chase Headley or both…..and they should consider Melky if ita a one year deal…..also they should steal Ortiz if he will do a one year big money deal…..Ortiz woukd hit 40 homers in YS.

  91. Villa Nova-Ya September 5th, 2012 at 8:44 am

    Also, I have pretty much supported Joe G. On balance, he was doing a good job juggling the bullpen and doing another balancing act resting his regulars and getting his bench sufficient playing time. Injuries really caught up to the team, and players like Cano and Granderson not being able to pick up the slack have hurt.

    That being said, while I understand you want to maintain a certain “steady” approach to a veteran team, I do not understand the appearance of doing nothing. I accept that Joe G is not a forthcoming guy in his post- and pre-game interviews and is not wont to tell you what is on his mind or what his plans are or what he and his team talk about behind closed locker-room doors. But to hear every night “that’s baseball” (and yes, that IS baseball), and “we have to play better” leave me feeling it would be better not to interview the manager at all. I generally respect that this manager does not throw players under the bus. So I don’t know what I’m really asking/looking for from him in his post-games. Maybe instead of saying, “we have to play better,” it would help to hear him say “we stink right now?” I don’t know.

  92. Villa Nova-Ya September 5th, 2012 at 8:44 am

    Yankee Trader -

    LOL!

  93. Tackelberry September 5th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    GO GIANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  94. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    This team does not play the game the same way the 2009 team played. The key players are the same.
    ///

    Russell Martin is not interchangeable with Jorge Posada.

    Some here thought it was not a big deal that the Yankees were going to ditch their historic model and go with a “defensive” catcher. In fact, many scoffed here that the lineup would not even lose its circularity.

    Again, I stand in amazement at how the impact of a hitting catcher of Posada’s caliber just does not register among some, in terms of how it affected our lineup all these years, and the indifference the absence of that presence has meant when people looked ahead to how the lineup would function.

    Further, Raul Ibanez was never going to equate Hideki Matsui, nor Johnny Damon ( in terms of the latter two’s affect on the 2009 team). I am not suggesting that they had to re-sign these two, but to say the lineup is the same – it is not.

    Melky Cabrera was the team’s CF. He hit .391 against the Angels to get us to the World Series, and .298 with RISP throughout that magic season.

    Current Alex is hardly representative of the 2009 postseason version.

    The idea that it’s the “same lineup” just says that people are stuck in time, and that’s probably why many here just shrugged over losing a mid-order, young, uber talented bat who also is a catcher.

  95. Yankee Trader September 5th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Blake-

    We talked again about offseason moves yesterday. What offensive players, currently on the 25 man roster, major league proven and ready, would an opposing GM really consider trading for and be willing to give up young major league hitters?

    Name one, and I can think of reasons why I wouldn’t trade for that player.

  96. Villa Nova-Ya September 5th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Melky without PEDs is not going to be anywhere near what he’s done the last 2 seasons, blake. That would be a waste of a player spot, not to mention a PR nightmare.

    But Granderson has done nothing to protect his place here. And it pains me to say that -I am a huge Granderson fan. I feel like something is wrong that we don’t know about.

    I think Cano is just having a down year.

    I waiver on Swisher. Just 10 days ago he was hotter than hot. And to be fair, did you see the batting averages of the entire team in the last 13 games??? Not a one over .200. Not even Jeter. Ibanez was below .100. It is a team-wide malaise.

  97. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 8:48 am

    *the indifference that presence was met with

  98. Villa Nova-Ya September 5th, 2012 at 8:48 am

    JAP -

    Did I say Martin was interchangeable with Posada?

  99. blake September 5th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    I dont think this is Girardi’s fault…..its the team he has……they have neglected the offense for years and its coming back to haunt them. Im not sure what ekse he can do……they dont have the personnel to play like the Rays do…….

  100. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 8:51 am

    Villa Nova-Ya September 5th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Melky without PEDs is not going to be anywhere near what he’s done the last 2 seasons, blake.
    ///

    Melky was going to hit. He was 25 when he left us and was an evolving bat. What are you basing this on? Did it occur to you that Melky is likely hitting against pitchers who indulge in some form of PED, and defenders who do the like?

    You do not hit .300 from both sides of the plate for two years running because you’re on testosterone. Why don’t you look at the ABs themselves. That will give you information that I believe would alter your speculation that testosterone “created” a high average hitter, who anyone could see was moving towards realizing his hitting ability.

  101. blake September 5th, 2012 at 8:52 am

    “We talked again about offseason moves yesterday. What offensive players, currently on the 25 man roster, major league proven and ready, would an opposing GM really consider trading for and be willing to give up young major league hitters?”

    Nobody is giving up.major league ready hitters…..not good ones….they just arent. I do think Granderson will have a market simply because a lot of teams need CF help ……

  102. blake September 5th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    Cashman will probably trade Tyler Austin and Gary Sanchez for Matt Garza this winter and say he expects the offense to be fine when they get healthy…..

  103. Yankee Trader September 5th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    Anyone-

    We talked again about offseason moves yesterday. What offensive players, currently on the Yankee 25 man roster, major league proven and ready, would an opposing GM really consider trading for and be willing to give up young major league hitters?

    Name one, and I can think of reasons why I wouldn’t trade for that player.

  104. Villa Nova-Ya September 5th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    And I did not say the lineup was the same.

    I said key players are still there.

    And I’m done with the Damon and Matsui thing. Both of them were in NY for years. With ONE WS to show for it.

    2009 was a special year, with many players contributing. What I was saying was the approach of the entire team including the manager, apparently, was different than it is this year. The manager asked the team to do things a certain way; they did and the reward was a WS. I am wondering where that approach went, since it is the same manager, and many of the players who were lauding Girardi’s approach that year are still here.

    I loved both Damon and Matsui. I wish they had resigned one or both at the time. Matsui took matters into his own hands, and Damon turned down a Yankee 2-year offer stupidly.

    Damon and Matsui were not viable alternatives this year (neither is playing right now, in case you haven’t noticed, being cut from teams that picked them up mid-season). What other guys were available as BENCH players, who would be willing to accept the role of bench player? There are not a lot of those guys in baseball. It is not that the players signed to be bench/role players are not good enough; it is that they are not good enough to be doing what they ultimately have had to do – playing more games in the field than they were supposed to.

  105. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    Villa Nova-Ya September 5th, 2012 at 8:48 am

    JAP -

    Did I say Martin was interchangeable with Posada?
    ///

    How can the lineup be the same people as 2009, minus that presence? How can it be, minus Matsui and Damon? Cabrera? Minus 2009 Alex?

    The whole basis for wanting to keep Montero – other than just wanting to keep for ourselves a projected elite bat (universal scouting consensus virtually) – was that Alex was not going to be the mid-order presence any more that he had been, and certainly that he had been in that triumphant postseason. This is the problem with perception, particularly the Yankees’, since they make the decisions.

  106. Villa Nova-Ya September 5th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    Melky without PEDS could not sustain his performance. He always showed flashes of being able to hit .300 with a little bit of power. But it petered out.

  107. blake September 5th, 2012 at 8:58 am

    The one positive from last night was Joba…..thats what Ive been waiting for….just explosive…..thats the guy they need to bridge to Robertson…..assuming they can ever score enough runs again to have a lead late in a game.

  108. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Villa Nova-Ya September 5th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    And I did not say the lineup was the same.

    I said key players are still there.
    ///

    Well, I emphatically disagree then, because I can only infer that Posada, Matsui and Damon were not “key” players in your book. It doesn’t matter that they were “here for years,” and we didn’t win anything. We finally got some veteran pitching in 2009 to complement their skills, and they contributed offensively in ways that some of these bats, two years running now, are not capable of. Primarily, working counts and getting a pitch to hit that they could do damage with.

  109. Yankee Trader September 5th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    OK Granderson-

    If i’m the opposing GM, why do I want him? He’s been remade to hit for power and pull the ball tailored for YS. It’s been shown that teams that play a shift on him, that any ground balls will not get thru the right side of the infield. he strikes out at an alarming rate. he doesn’t steal bases anymore. he’s an upcoming FA.
    He doesn’t have an arm.

    Any points you now want to make on why he might bring back major league ready talent?

  110. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    Joba showed last night, if he can keep that up, why he needs to prepare to start next season. Pineda, really, was no further than Joba when the Yankees cut bait with him as a starter, and the latter had more of a starter’s arsenal.

  111. Villa Nova-Ya September 5th, 2012 at 9:02 am

    blake -

    Did you see Jeter talking to Joba after his fantastic inning??? Loved it.

    JAP -

    I am talking about approach.

    Performances from year to year are going to vary.

    Counting on Alex to be Alex to the degree that they did was a risk. I’m not gonna get dragged into another day long vitriolic diatribe about how stupid the Yankees are.

  112. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Villa Nova-Ya September 5th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    Melky without PEDS could not sustain his performance. He always showed flashes of being able to hit .300 with a little bit of power. But it petered out.
    ///

    It did?? Melky showed impatience on the high inside pitch. He used to regularly get himself out on that. Has not been the case for two years now. He’s at the beginning of his prime years and his bat has caught up with its talent in terms of results.

    Further, switch hitters take more time to develop. Again, crediting PEDs for his greater discernment, coupled with an ability to cover the plate (which he’s always had) from both sides of the plate, is just an assumption based on little.

    With the alleged amount of PED usage in the game, not too many guys are hitting .346.

  113. 86w183 September 5th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    Villa Nova-Ya

    I disagree on Melky. Look at his last Yankee season. THAT player would be okay by me. The Kansas City Melky would be too.

    I’d offer him a one year, re-establish yourself contract with low guarantee and PA incentives. Put a team option in there, just in case it pays off.

    I cannot imagine they do not re-tool the OF this off-season.

  114. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    I’m not gonna get dragged into another day long vitriolic diatribe about how stupid the Yankees are.
    ///

    Your first mistake is thinking I want to engage you. :D. I read your posts and I generally see the sort of washes of gray in them that under more careful scrutiny, would undermine your larger point in many of them. Comparing this lineup to 2009′s is rather exceptional, however. I have made my point, I think.

  115. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    I’d offer him a one year, re-establish yourself contract with low guarantee and PA incentives. Put a team option in there, just in case it pays off.
    //

    Cashman can present himself as magnanimous: “We thought he deserved another chance, we’re letting him come home,” blah, blah, blah. Meanwhile, Alex is here to oversee him. They are obviously true friends, and Alex cares about the kid and believes in his ability.

    Alex, I read was working out with Sanchez…I like that. Alex also knows he’s going to need some help going forward. Melky can be a part of the solution. Do I think they’ll do it? Not really. They have a narrow, cultural idea of what a “Yankee” is supposed to be.

  116. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    Joba had more of a starter’s arsenal…the former.

  117. randy l. September 5th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    once a team has say a team 4 era, realistically the lowest it’s going to go is about 3.5 era as a team.

    so as a team gets better pitching, it takes a lot of effort to lower a half a run in era.

    on the other hand if a team is scoring 4 runs a game it’s pretty open ended to go up with offense added. it wouldn’t be hard to go to 6 runs a game, a two run increase.

    the most a team can shave off after they get to a certain point is very small. the most they can add going up on offense is much bigger.

    for the mathematically challenged, once past a certain point there is little room to go down. to look at it in an extreme, the lowest the era can go is zero. that’s four runs down from a 4.00 era. the most an offense can go up is unlimited.

    do you want to put the most energy into eliminating 4 runs or do you want to put the same energy into unlimited runs?

    the obvious answer is that at a certain point a team is beating a dead horse trying to go lower in era while an offense takes much longer to reach that point.

    i would say it’s pretty clear the yankees are pushing the pitching side where they are getting incremental pitching run reduction at the expense of low hanging runs that would come from a potent offense.

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