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Rough week

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Sep 05, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Just a quick idea of exactly how poorly the Yankees offense has performed recently, here are the individual stats from the past week:

Derek Jeter: 21 at-bats - .190/.320/.190
Nick Swisher: 22 at-bats – .091/.200/.091
Robinson Cano: 25 at-bats – .200/.200/.520
Alex Rodriguez: 8 at-bats - .250/.250/.250
Eric Chavez: 13 at-bats - .154/.200/.154
Curtis Granderson: 13 at-bats - .154/.214/.462
Russell Martin: 13 at-bats - .308/.400/.385
Raul Ibanez: 17 at-bats - .118/.167/.294
Ichiro Suzuki: 17 at-bats – .176/.222/.235
Andruw Jones: 10 at-bats - .100/.182/.100
Jayson Nix: 9 at-bats - .333/.571/.556
Chris Dickerson: 7 at-bats - .286/.375/.714
Steve Pearce: 5 at-bats - .200/.200/.200
Chris Stewart: 4 at-bats - .000/.000/.000
Eduardo Nunez: 3 at-bats - .333/.333/.333

 
 

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182 Responses to “Rough week”

  1. The Return of Stoneburner September 5th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Heathcott’s favorite player growing up – and I would sign up for these numbers:

    http://www.baseball-reference……ru01.shtml

    Hopefully Heathcott’s all out style like his favorite player will not lead to the short career – – – -

  2. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Montero wasn’t going to be the guy to build an offense around

    ——————

    Build around maybe not but a valuable piece to the offensive puzzle.

  3. Shame Spencer September 5th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    blake September 5th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    The main target this winter will be Matt Garza…..you watch.

    ——————-

    Only if Boston doesn’t give him $1 more than whatever we offer lol..

  4. Shame Spencer September 5th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    PS – Chad is obviously trying to make me cry.

    Thanks Chad!

  5. blake September 5th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    “In retrospect, yes. However, Montero wasn’t going to be the guy to build an offense around, or it was reasonable to think so. However, a healthy Pineda would have made a huge difference to the 2012 Yanks, much more than Montero would have.”

    Then why didnt they go get Darvish or CJ Wilson and keep Montero.? Answer….budget

  6. jacksquat September 5th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Tex, stop Yapping, start healing and hitting.

    And if you are going to juice, shut up and use the good stuff.

  7. Wave Your Hat September 5th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    “Then why didnt they go get Darvish or CJ Wilson and keep Montero.? Answer….budget”

    Budget, and to a lesser degree risk aversion, was why they didn’t go after Darvish or Wilson. They didn’t keep Montero, right or wrong, because they didn’t want to play him at catcher and wanted to keep DH open for ARod, Jeter, Tex and the aging crew.

    Budget isn’t hay. The fact is, the Yanks were going to bump up against the unavoidable cyclical nature of sport at some point. I guess they are at that point.

  8. jacksquat September 5th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Since we are unfortunately talking Montero yet again, I still maintain that him being traded had more to do with Girardi than Cashman. Cashman is not a catching expert, he’s an executive. He wouldn’t just arbitrarily decide that Montero couldn’t catch. He has to take advice from others. His advice on Montero would undoubtedly come from Girardi, and maybe Pena.

    And no JAP, I’m not a Cashman shill. I wouldn’t even mind seeing him go, but this is the most logical and likely course of events imo.

  9. Shame Spencer September 5th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    Cepedes hurts.

  10. blake September 5th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    I just hope Moore doesnt have his command tonight…..because if hes on I doubt the Yanks will score a run unless Jeter hits a solo homer.

  11. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Montero wasn’t going to be the guy to build an offense around

    ——————

    Build around maybe not but a valuable piece to the offensive puzzle.
    ///

    Wait a minute. He wasn’t? All the scouts who called him a can’t miss hit tool/power guy are wrong? And this is decided at his current age 22?

    I beg to differ. The offense was going to built around both Montero and Cano in the middle of the order, with Alex, though still relevant, taking a more logical, complementary role. Throw Tex in there, too.

    How is Montero not appropriately cast as a great Yankee bat going forward, one that would have spent half of his career in Yankee Stadium? Not like we didn’t get to see what that actually looked like.

  12. Shame Spencer September 5th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    jacksquat September 5th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Since we are unfortunately talking Montero yet again, I still maintain that him being traded had more to do with Girardi than Cashman. Cashman is not a catching expert, he’s an executive. He wouldn’t just arbitrarily decide that Montero couldn’t catch. He has to take advice from others. His advice on Montero would undoubtedly come from Girardi, and maybe Pena.

    ——————–

    This is silly.. Girardi gets told what to do, not the other way around. That’s probably why he’s such a little diva during his post game interviews. The team he has is what he’s stuck with. If Cash wanted Montero to catch, he’d tell Girardi to make Montero catch. Just like he told Girardi how often to play Posada, and told Torre to spare Joba’s arm.

  13. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    I agree that Girardi’s input was key in getting rid of Montero, and said so many times (too many, apparently, for the taste of some). Montero is gone, this is true. But at the moment, those who sent him packing are still here. That’s why the subject is anything but closed. They continue to call the shots.

  14. tucker September 5th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Would be nice if they gave Cervelli and Nunez a start today. Two guys with chips on their shoulders, unlike the other grind-the-bat-to-sawdust players now in the lineup.

  15. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Shame, we’ve done this dance, but again, do you think they hired Girardi without buying into his philosophy? Or do you think it was Cashman’s decision to start Jose Molina (whom I have always liked) in ALCS and WS games, instead of Posada, just to appease AJ Burnett?

  16. blake September 5th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    “Budget, and to a lesser degree risk aversion, was why they didn’t go after Darvish or Wilson.”

    How was trading for Pineda less risky than signing a pit her who just out up back to back Sabafhia like seasons in Texas?

  17. Wave Your Hat September 5th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    “How was trading for Pineda less risky than signing a pit her who just out up back to back Sabafhia like seasons in Texas?”

    I was referring to Darvish when I mentioned risk aversion. That’s why I said “to a lesser degree”. I don’t think Pineda was particularly risky, although it turned out bad.

  18. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    For all that, the last thing I want to see is we miss the postseason. For one thing, I don’t want a Jeter led team to have to go down like this, or any of our longstanding players who have done the pinstripes proud.

    In fact, I don’t even believe missing gets either man his walking papers, because I don’t think ownership would even have the slightest notion on where to turn, in that event. All it gets is sadness for players who didn’t deserve to be put in this position in the first place.

  19. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    tucker September 5th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Would be nice if they gave Cervelli and Nunez a start today. Two guys with chips on their shoulders, unlike the other grind-the-bat-to-sawdust players now in the lineup.
    ///

    Both would be an upgrade, or at least give an old lineup some young blood and enthusiasm. You’d think they would be looking into promoting Adams, too, given their current woes against LHP. You want to make yourself look good/better Cashman? Bring Adams up, for the love of god.

  20. blake September 5th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    “I was referring to Darvish when I mentioned risk aversion. That’s why I said “to a lesser degree”. I don’t think Pineda was particularly risky, although it turned out bad.”

    Trading for a 23 year old pitcher with half a good season and declining velo in the 2nd half and no 3rd pitch wasnt risky?

  21. Tackelberry September 5th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    PINS AND NEEDLES, NEEDLES AND PINS…… IT’S A HAPPY MAN THAT GRINS.

    NOW WHAT AM I MAD ABOUT???????????

  22. Shame Spencer September 5th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Shame, we’ve done this dance, but again, do you think they hired Girardi without buying into his philosophy?

    ———————

    I actually don’t, I think they hired him because they knew he’d buy into theirs. I think they liked that he was a by-the-numbers guy, because Cash wanted to be a by-the-numbers team, ala Beane/Theo. So if that’s considered his philosophy, I suppose so. But moreso, as I’ve said, I think he was hired because he’d stick to the company line. I realize on some level this is semantics, but what the hell, this big pile of work will still be here for me tomorrow :)

    Some of his individual game decisions aside.. I think he mostly just does what he’s told. I’ve never bought into the idea that Girardi is the keeper of the keys or has some grand influence on the structure of the club. His job is to manage the players he has… I don’t see Cash sitting around going, ‘let me run this by Joe’ as much as he’d say ‘tell Joe to do this.’

  23. blake September 5th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    At least we will get to see Jonesy tonight….he probably gets bumped back to 5th since Alex is back.

  24. Duh Innings II September 5th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Montero wasn’t going to be the guy to build an offense around

    ——————

    Build around maybe not but a valuable piece to the offensive puzzle.

    —————————————————————————————–

    Raul Ibanez has exactly the same number of HR (15) and RBI (53) as Montero and will cost only $1.1M plus bonus money totalling out to well under $2M.

    Martin has posted 14 HR 37 RBI, Stewart 1 HR 12 RBI for 15 HR 49 RBI combined with better defense than Montero who can’t hit for average or get on base either.

    The true measure of how bad trading Montero is will be 2013 Montero.

    I think the Yanks could soften the blow of giving up Montero by starting Nunez at SS (his natural position, Jeter moves to 3B) or 3B (A-Rod moves to DH where he belongs) next season.

    I think Nunez could post a minimum .280 BA, .350 OBP, 170 hits, 100 runs, 40 stolen bases, 5 triples, 10 HR, and 60 RBI season if given the opportunity to play every day next season.

    Here’s a stat I am SHOCKED no one on here has talked about:

    Nunez has only SIX strikeouts in SIXTY plate appearances (54 at-bats + 6 walks), a fantastic strikeout rate of once every nine AB and ten PA.

  25. Shame Spencer September 5th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    tucker September 5th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Would be nice if they gave Cervelli and Nunez a start today. Two guys with chips on their shoulders, unlike the other grind-the-bat-to-sawdust players now in the lineup.

    —————-

    I’m still wondering when they plan to utilize all that work they put into Nunez in AAA lol…

    This is the type of stuff I mean about it being more than Girardi. I’d love Nunez in the line up. Where? You can’t play him at the only position they decided he needed to focus on, because SS is the one place we’re getting consistent production. And I’d love to see Derek sit down while we’re chasing down the Division lead. Not happenin…

  26. G. Love September 5th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    It’s funny and a bit sad how all the arguments come back to Girardi and Cashman.

    But there’s a reason why they all come back to them. They pick the players. They espouse a philosophy.

    Cashman disavowed himself from Arod & Soriano. Soriano basically saved his season & Arod was one of the few hitters left who was hitting above .280 on this team.

    The guys Cashman hitched his wagon to Tex, Swisher, Grandy, Ibanez, Martin all are similar offensive players. They can’t hit off speed. They don’t hit for average. They rarely change their approach to the gravity of the situation.

    Reading Hal guaranteeing that jettisoning Cashman or Girardi is not even a thought makes me realize no matter what happens this season this duo will be back and they’re going to destroy the Yankees as Jeter, Mo, Pettitte disappear into legend.

    This is the hard time to be a fan of this team. You want to believe in the front office and the management. You want to think, “it’s just a slump” or “it’s not our year”.

    You don’t want to think that the 2 men who are most responsible for the construction and deployment of the organization are deficient. But that’s what they are.

    In the same paper where Hal guarantees Cashman’s job security there’s an article about how Cashman’s wife is legally shedding his last name in the divorce proceedings due to his indiscretions.

    For a guy who is being shown the loyalty he is by Hal and his family, I’d expect more than an ego driven nose dive into obscurity because he’s ashamed of being the GM of the best team in baseball.

    A few more years under him and that mantle may slip to someone else.

    The Yankees need to turn the page as an organization and bring in a GM and manager that isn’t concerned with what his peers thinks of him, but instead what the paying customers deserve.

    Another off season of patch the holes in the boat with the oldest putty we can find in the garage will destroy this team.

  27. Jerkface September 5th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    Wave,

    I think there are certain facets of Pineda that would be less risky than Yu Darvish, like that he pitched a season in the majors so you have more of a handle on him vs competition. However, that is overtaken by the health risks, and his developmental riskyness (didn’t get his fastball until 1 season before he ‘broke out’, injury history, only 2 pitches).

    So then you look at the price. Pineda costs money + a prospect. Darvish costs significantly more money. However money is a near endlessly renewable resource for the Yankees, prospects are not.

  28. Shame Spencer September 5th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    blake September 5th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    At least we will get to see Jonesy tonight….he probably gets bumped back to 5th since Alex is back.
    —————

    Yay…?? lol

  29. Tackelberry September 5th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    blake September 5th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
    At least we will get to see Jonesy tonight….he probably gets bumped back to 5th since Alex is back.

    ______________________________________________

    Great. means at least 3 more Ks and smiles

  30. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    I actually don’t, I think they hired him because they knew he’d buy into theirs. I think they liked that he was a by-the-numbers guy, because Cash wanted to be a by-the-numbers team, ala Beane/Theo. So if that’s considered his philosophy, I suppose so.
    ///

    But this is exactly it. They are similarly inclined to begin with. But I don’t think Girardi is shut out from major decisions. There is no virtual way he didn’t get a weigh-in on Montero’s exit.

  31. DONNYBROOK September 5th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    O’s plays Tampa 6 more times, and they Finish the season vs each other. The schedule + TEX’s return favor the Yanks.

  32. Jerkface September 5th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    Raul Ibanez has exactly the same number of HR (15) and RBI (53) as Montero and will cost only $1.1M plus bonus money totalling out to well under $2M.

    He is well over 2 million now. He gets performance bonuses for like every 15 PA he gets.

    1 year/$1.1M (2012)

    signed by NY Yankees as a free agent 2/21/12
    performance bonuses: $50,000 each for 50, 75, 100, 125 plate appearances. $0.1M each 150, 175, 200, 225 PA. $0.15M each for 250, 275, 300 PA. $0.2M each for 325, 350, 375, 400, 425, 450, 475, 500 PA. $0.25M for 525 PA.

  33. blake September 5th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    “So then you look at the price. Pineda costs money + a prospect. Darvish costs significantly more money. However money is a near endlessly renewable resource for the Yankees, prospects are not.”

    The Yankees should never have to trade their top prospect for something that could be had with money only……

  34. tucker September 5th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    I would DH Nunez, put Cervelli behind the plate. Some youthful vigor in the lineup. It can’t hurt … Maybe Cervelli’s fist pumping and contact hitting is what the walking dead need …

  35. dayglo September 5th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    >Would be nice if they gave Cervelli and Nunez a start today.
    >Two guys with chips on their shoulders, unlike the other grind-the-bat-to-sawdust players now in the lineup.

    Agree 100%. Can’t be worse than what is happening now. Let Jeter DH. Sit Granderson.

    Get some contact hitters and speed in the lineup. Let the older or hurt guys rest.

  36. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    blake September 5th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    “I was referring to Darvish when I mentioned risk aversion. That’s why I said “to a lesser degree”. I don’t think Pineda was particularly risky, although it turned out bad.”

    Trading for a 23 year old pitcher with half a good season and declining velo in the 2nd half and no 3rd pitch wasnt risky?
    ————————

    Risky yes, but not as crippling to the organization as if they signed Darvish and he didn’t work out

  37. Wave Your Hat September 5th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    I would have liked the Yanks to have signed Darvish. But I suspect the Yanks thought that Darvish was riskier than Pineda once money was factored in.

    I don’t think we fans can assess Pineda’s riskiness except through the lens of what happened.

  38. Warning Track Power September 5th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    Chad-Thanks for posting those weak offensive stats. No wonder the team is on such
    a streak and losing ground of their division lead with a quickness.
    The offense has to wake up and get hot soon. Or else this team will be 10 games back themselves.

  39. blake September 5th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    “Risky yes, but not as crippling to the organization as if they signed Darvish and he didn’t work out”

    I disagree…..if Montero starts to hit next year like he very well may then youve lost a lot more than money.

  40. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    blake September 5th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    “So then you look at the price. Pineda costs money + a prospect. Darvish costs significantly more money. However money is a near endlessly renewable resource for the Yankees, prospects are not.”

    The Yankees should never have to trade their top prospect for something that could be had with money only……

    ——————————–

    Take it a step further the Yankees shouldn’t have to trade for something we were told would be a strength of this club for yrs to come.

  41. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    Wave Your Hat September 5th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    I would have liked the Yanks to have signed Darvish. But I suspect the Yanks thought that Darvish was riskier than Pineda once money was factored in.

    I don’t think we fans can assess Pineda’s riskiness except through the lens of what happened.
    ———————-

    Agreed – and if the Yankees were convinced that Montero had no place with the team then even the player going the other way didn’t signify a big risk.

    Look, if Pineda and/or Romine are healthy this isn’t an issue.

  42. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    Reading Hal guaranteeing that jettisoning Cashman or Girardi is not even a thought makes me realize no matter what happens this season this duo will be back and they’re going to destroy the Yankees as Jeter, Mo, Pettitte disappear into legend.
    ///

    Yes. This is very hard to take for some of us, as the Jeter/Mo era winds down. Excellent post.
    //

    In better news, Flores has taken an immediate shine to AA, homering in this first two games up here. Will be seeing the kids live tonight in Reading, Pa. Move fast, boys, we need you.

  43. hardwired7 September 5th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    It’s all Theo’s fault.

  44. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Obviously the whole rotation won’t be homegrown guys but it’s been 7 yrs and we’re still waiting.

  45. Jerkface September 5th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Look, if Pineda and/or Romine are healthy this isn’t an issue.

    Well sure but thats half the argument for keeping Montero :) I liked Romine, but I never thought they should have valued him enough to trade Montero. I was always looking forward to a Romine/Montero platoon at catcher with Montero getting extra PAs at 1B and DH.

    Relying on Romine was a mistake.

  46. Jerkface September 5th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    @mikeaxisa

    Curtis Granderson has not scored a run on something other than his own homer since August 12th (21 team games ago). Think about that.

  47. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    blake September 5th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    “Risky yes, but not as crippling to the organization as if they signed Darvish and he didn’t work out”

    I disagree…..if Montero starts to hit next year like he very well may then youve lost a lot more than money.
    ———————

    Not if the Yankees had no plans on playing him behind the plate. Correctly or incorrectly Cashman’s belief is that it is easier to find hitters than it is to find top pitchers.

    As it stands, this is the latest in a long line of bad pitching moves that the team has made and was made necessary because of the organization’s complete inability to develop high end pitching of its own.

  48. Warning Track Power September 5th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    Jerkface September 5th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
    @mikeaxisa

    Curtis Granderson has not scored a run on something other than his own homer since August 12th (21 team games ago). Think about that.
    ————————————————————————————————
    Granderson’s extended slump is hurting the team in a large way. Probably hurts more than not having Tex and ARod in the line-up daily.
    The guy is either tired or is injured, because how else can the extended slump be explained.

  49. Shame Spencer September 5th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    JAP – I think I’m inclined towards the ‘top down’ theories about a lot of things lol. I do agree that their visions align and that is part of the issue. But I also don’t doubt that if Cash said, ‘This is your catcher for the future.. You get Tony, and you make him a catcher. Period.’ that this isn’t exactly what Girardi would have done.

    For me, Girardi’s preference for defensive catchers isn’t nearly as worrisome as the front office decisions. The front office can know Girardi’s preference and do whatever the hell it wants. It’s signing his checks, not the other way around. Not to mention that I dare say there are a few other folks out there that would love the chance to captain the Yankees ship.

    I dunno.. managers are just a dime a dozen IMO, and if I had to guess I’d bet Cash’s tenure lasts longer than Girardi’s. That pretty much says it all to me re: who’s running the show.

  50. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    Jerkface September 5th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Look, if Pineda and/or Romine are healthy this isn’t an issue.

    Well sure but thats half the argument for keeping Montero :) I liked Romine, but I never thought they should have valued him enough to trade Montero. I was always looking forward to a Romine/Montero platoon at catcher with Montero getting extra PAs at 1B and DH.

    Relying on Romine was a mistake.
    —————–

    There is no way to argue right now that Montero for Pineda was a good deal. It was understandable in how it was made and upon reflection it was more understandable when you look back at how the organization used Montero while he was here.

    Like I just said – if the Yankees had been able to develop high end pitching of their own, this wouldn’t have been done.

  51. blake September 5th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    “Not if the Yankees had no plans on playing him behind the plate. Correctly or incorrectly Cashman’s belief is that it is easier to find hitters than it is to find top pitchers.”

    Its not and hes wrong and Ive been saying that for a long time.

  52. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    blake September 5th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    “Not if the Yankees had no plans on playing him behind the plate. Correctly or incorrectly Cashman’s belief is that it is easier to find hitters than it is to find top pitchers.”

    Its not and hes wrong and Ive been saying that for a long time.
    ——————

    I think the problem is that the Yankees load up their system with high end pitchers hoping to develop them, fail, and then have to use their paucity of high end hitters to cover up for that deficiency. If you’re going to be poor at developing pitching then you can’t dedicate so many of your resources to it.

  53. Shame Spencer September 5th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    I’m still mad about Nunez lol… that’s the type of organizational stuff that gets me away from complaining about Girardi. I never understood the logic.

  54. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    if the Yankees had been able to develop high end pitching of their own, this wouldn’t have been done.

    ——————————-

    It’s always comes back to that. Look no further then the careers of Joba and Hughes. Pineda probably doesn’t even come into the pitcher if those guys hit their ceilings

  55. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Blake,

    What’s terrifying if you want to think about it is that with the regression of Betances, injury to Banuelos and lack of progress of Warren it’s entirely possible that Cashman will use the perceived wealth of talented outfielders (Almonte, Almonte, Heathcott, Austin, Mason) on more pitching.

  56. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    If you’re going to be poor at developing pitching then you can’t dedicate so many of your resources to it.

    ————————-

    But if you are get people that actually know how to do it. There is no cookie cutter way to doing it but look at what has happened with our high end arms.

  57. Jerkface September 5th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Unfortunately it is looking like Trey redux with Banuelos and Betances. They really need Nova to bounce back and Phelps to continue maturing.

  58. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    if the Yankees had been able to develop high end pitching of their own, this wouldn’t have been done.

    ——————————-

    It’s always comes back to that. Look no further then the careers of Joba and Hughes. Pineda probably doesn’t even come into the pitcher if those guys hit their ceilings
    ————

    Exactly.

    If Hughes, Kennedy, Joba worked out then Austin Jackson is in CF for the Yankees (most likely) and Montero is the C/DH.

  59. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    picture not pitcher

  60. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    If you’re going to be poor at developing pitching then you can’t dedicate so many of your resources to it.

    ————————-

    But if you are get people that actually know how to do it. There is no cookie cutter way to doing it but look at what has happened with our high end arms.
    ————————

    That’s true – Nardi was in charge of developing Hughes, Kennedy, Joba – failed on all fronts. His latest charges, Brackman, Betances and Banuelos don’t look any more promising.

  61. Shame Spencer September 5th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    Chip September 5th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Blake,

    What’s terrifying if you want to think about it is that with the regression of Betances, injury to Banuelos and lack of progress of Warren it’s entirely possible that Cashman will use the perceived wealth of talented outfielders (Almonte, Almonte, Heathcott, Austin, Mason) on more pitching.

    ——————–

    Why is everyone trying to make me cry???

  62. mick September 5th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    man coming in here has been a disaster…jap has his points and passion but is hard to take esp in this state of depression we are in…better days tonight with nuney and cervelli leading the way…

  63. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    I dunno.. managers are just a dime a dozen IMO, and if I had to guess I’d bet Cash’s tenure lasts longer than Girardi’s. That pretty much says it all to me re: who’s running the show.
    ///

    Just downing a whole-grain graham cracker with dark chocolate coating as I type this….

    They are a dime a dozen, but if you let them, they can cost you games (series: ALDS 2011. No disrespect to Detroit, but a few moves and we win that thing).

    What was bizarre was Cashman’s sidestepping that question from houseboy Kay on ESPN-Radio, as to whether the Dodgers called him on Sabathia-Tex. “They may have called the people above me, but nobody called me,” (I’m paraphrasing, but that’s the gist). Speaking of top-down.

  64. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Exactly.

    If Hughes, Kennedy, Joba worked out then Austin Jackson is in CF for the Yankees (most likely) and Montero is the C/DH.

    —————————-

    Yep those two hitters would still be on the team because the chase for a number 2 would not happen. Can anyone imagine the top of the rotation if Hughes and Chamberlain lived up to the hype. It would be CC and 2 number 1s hitting their prime right now. OMG

  65. blake September 5th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    “What’s terrifying if you want to think about it is that with the regression of Betances, injury to Banuelos and lack of progress of Warren it’s entirely possible that Cashman will use the perceived wealth of talented outfielders (Almonte, Almonte, Heathcott, Austin, Mason) on more pitching.”

    I still think Banuelos is legit….but Cashman has just a horrendous track record at evaluating pitching…..I do worry that they’ll try again this winter for more….especially if Kuroda goes somewhere else.

  66. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    Chip September 5th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    If you’re going to be poor at developing pitching then you can’t dedicate so many of your resources to it.

    ————————-

    But if you are get people that actually know how to do it. There is no cookie cutter way to doing it but look at what has happened with our high end arms.
    ————————

    That’s true – Nardi was in charge of developing Hughes, Kennedy, Joba – failed on all fronts. His latest charges, Brackman, Betances and Banuelos don’t look any more promising.

    ——————–

    And watch what happens with the next wave. It will be the same thing and they’ll just chalk it up to bad luck/pitchers not always panning out.

  67. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Odds, we both agree that Joba’s mishandling was the event that crashed all the dominoes. Still wish you’d find that post of yours on the subject.

    If but for a little patience, we could have a super team about now, mostly composed of homegrowns and a few shrewd acquisitions.

  68. Warning Track Power September 5th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Speaking of Joba, he sure did look like a different pitcher last night.
    His location was terrific and the strikeout looking was a very, very good sign.
    I hope he has finally turned the corner and those type of performances on the mound
    are a sign of things to come.

  69. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Odds, we both agree that Joba’s mishandling was the event that crashed all the dominoes. Still wish you’d find that post of yours on the subject.

    If but for a little patience, we could have a super team about now, mostly composed of homegrowns and a few shrewd acquisitions.

    ————————-

    Yea I have to find that post or maybe Chad can pull it some how.

    The team would have been different that’s for sure. I always think what could have been

  70. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    Betances may revert to 2010 form and if he does, he’ll be a presence. ManBan needs to get healthy, get his innings.

    If Jose Ramirez can stay healthy, he’s going to be knocking on the AA door soon.

    If Joba’s in the SP mix, that will be a great thing. Montgomery can assume his spot in the bullpen. We’ve got other guys, too, for back-end duty on the rise in the system.

  71. DONNYBROOK September 5th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    I believe a lot of how Chamberlain looked last night, was because of Cervelli framing and staying down low on pitches. This gave a HP Ump with a wide K Zone a good look-see. Stewart and Martin are wanting in this area.

  72. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    blake September 5th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    “What’s terrifying if you want to think about it is that with the regression of Betances, injury to Banuelos and lack of progress of Warren it’s entirely possible that Cashman will use the perceived wealth of talented outfielders (Almonte, Almonte, Heathcott, Austin, Mason) on more pitching.”

    I still think Banuelos is legit….but Cashman has just a horrendous track record at evaluating pitching…..I do worry that they’ll try again this winter for more….especially if Kuroda goes somewhere else.
    ——————————-

    Hard to consider Banuelos legit when he’s made fewer than 50 starts over the last three years. He may have legit ability, but if you can’t stay on the field, what good are you?

  73. blake September 5th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    Tyler Austin, Heathcott, and Gary Sanchez for Matt Garza.,…..pitching holds the keys….the offense is fine…..

  74. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    Yea, Joba’s fastball was nasty and down in the zone, thumping at 96. Joba looked like that boy I saw in 2008. I really thought, back then, we were going to build an empire of arms and bats from within, guys who could take the baton from Jete/Alex/Andy smoothly.

  75. blake September 5th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    “Hard to consider Banuelos legit when he’s made fewer than 50 starts over the last three years. He may have legit ability, but if you can’t stay on the field, what good are you?”

    he’s 21 years old man…..

  76. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    blake September 5th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    Tyler Austin, Heathcott, and Gary Sanchez for Matt Garza.,…..pitching holds the keys….the offense is fine…..
    ///

    Sad thing is, they’d probably pull the trigger. Stop the madness, now.

  77. Warning Track Power September 5th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    Blake. I won’t get excited about Banuelos until he’s at least 23.
    The kid still needs a lot of seasoning in the minors. At least 1 more healthy, full season down in AAA to mature and work on his pitches.
    Even if he was not injured this year, the kid is not major league ready just yet.

  78. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    Yea I have to find that post or maybe Chad can pull it some how.

    The team would have been different that’s for sure. I always think what could have been
    ///

    Find it!

    Yup. Feel cheated in a way.

  79. G. Love September 5th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    Joba was the breath of fresh air last night. It was great to see his old stuff appear again.

  80. Warning Track Power September 5th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    G. Love-That’s the type of performance Joba can hopefully do consistently.
    For a team that is struggling and looking for anything positive, Joba provided that
    last night.

  81. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    Christian Garcia was poised to come into a Nats’ game yesterday or day before, I can’t remember which. They held a 1-0 lead. Chris Garcia’s Trenton outings a couple-three years ago…no words.

  82. Shame Spencer September 5th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    What was bizarre was Cashman’s sidestepping that question from houseboy Kay on ESPN-Radio, as to whether the Dodgers called him on Sabathia-Tex. “They may have called the people above me, but nobody called me,” (I’m paraphrasing, but that’s the gist). Speaking of top-down.

    ———————-

    That….. was interesting. I think he’s flat out lying, to be honest. Sherman is the Yankees mouthpiece. Anything reported through him is stuff they are telling him. If someone told Sherman, I’d think someone told Cash lol (they ‘may’ have called..HA). I think the owner (I was going to say ‘owners’ but I’m still surprised how much they were able to rein in Hank, the love of my life) are happy to let Cash just do whatever as long the profits are in the ballpark they’re seeking. And I think Cash is like a little kid, whos parents left him alone for a weekend.

    I don’t like Levine and wish he’d go away, but I find myself wondering what his role is more and more lately.

  83. Wave Your Hat September 5th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    “he’s 21 years old man….”

    So many lost innings. He’s probably at least 2 years away. If the Yanks are lucky.

  84. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    Yep those two hitters would still be on the team because the chase for a number 2 would not happen. Can anyone imagine the top of the rotation if Hughes and Chamberlain lived up to the hype. It would be CC and 2 number 1s hitting their prime right now. OMG
    ///

    Painful to contemplate

  85. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    Shame, I sent a lengthy email to Sherman, telling him just what I think of his stroking of Cashman. He was an ass when he was a sh*t disturber, and he’s still an ass as a “facilitator” of Yankee propaganda. Suprised the Post goes for it. Eh, newspapers are dead, any how.

  86. Hassey September 5th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    Levine is obviously not a war-time consigliere

  87. RayVT September 5th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    What the slump in Yankee hitting tells me is that they are rady to brak out. They are due. The O’s are still playing over their heads & the bubble will burst soon. Things have a way of working out.

    All that said, I give Cashman an incomplete at best. I can’t believe the Yanks dumped Montero & then said goodbye to Posada too for what? Yanks wanted to get rid of Jeter too.

    I would be happy if Yanks dumped Cashman.

  88. G. Love September 5th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    RayVT,

    The awkward part is if the Yankees bats do all of a sudden break out, Cashman looks like a little genius again and he’ll get another 2-3 years safety off of it.

    It’s such a weird position to be in as a fan. I want the Yankees to win and make the playoffs but I want to see Cashman gone.

    It makes my head hurt.

  89. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    RayVT, good to see you.

    They also tried to trade Cano 3X. smh They may try yet a fourth time…

  90. Against All Odds September 5th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    G. Love September 5th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    Joba was the breath of fresh air last night. It was great to see his old stuff appear again.

    ————————–

    Unfortunately I missed it

  91. Jerkface September 5th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    http://riveraveblues.com/2012/.....ays-75446/

  92. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    Christian Garcia was poised to come into a Nats’ game yesterday or day before, I can’t remember which. They held a 1-0 lead. Chris Garcia’s Trenton outings a couple-three years ago…no words.
    ———————

    Had a huge man crush on Garcia – thought he could’ve been a closer in the waiting. There was a time when he had a higher upside than Joba or Hughes based on raw stuff. Guy just couldn’t stay healthy. Glad to see he found his way to the majors.

  93. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    Jeeze – I just looked up Garcia’s numbers in the minors this year – WOW – Nats did make him a closer and well – WOW.

    http://www.baseballamerica.com.....ards/32520

  94. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Wave Your Hat September 5th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    “he’s 21 years old man….”

    So many lost innings. He’s probably at least 2 years away. If the Yanks are lucky.
    —————–

    Agreed – especially when you factor in how the Yankees wrap their pitching prospects in bubble wrap.

  95. jacksquat September 5th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Shame, I don’t think it’s silly that Cashman would get input from a former major league catcher who also is the manager. I don’t know why you turn that into Girardi “telling Cashman what to do”. Of course Cashman makes the final decision (unless overuled by ownership).

  96. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Chip,

    Get in line :D .

    Best pure arms I’ve ever seen down in Trenton are unquestionably, Garcia’s and Betances’. Garcia’s split-change….crazy. His health: heartbreaking.

  97. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    JAP –

    Difference I see between Betances and Garcia (scouting by stats only) is control. Garcia has it and Betances doesn’t.

    My gosh, imagine though if they had kept him despite the injuries – I mean his minor league numbers this year are video game like.

  98. RayVT September 5th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    G. Love September 5th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    LOL! No matter what I want the Yanks to win.

  99. blake September 5th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    even if Banuelos takes 2 more years he’ll still only be 23

  100. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    It’s such a weird position to be in as a fan. I want the Yankees to win and make the playoffs but I want to see Cashman gone.

    It makes my head hurt.
    ///

    Utterly distasteful. For me, it’s a sick stomach and increased desire for chocolate.

  101. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    52.1 IP, 31 hits, 17 BB, 5 ER, 66 K. That’s a sub 1 ERA and WHIP

  102. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    blake September 5th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    even if Banuelos takes 2 more years he’ll still only be 23
    ——————

    That’s assuming that he’s healthy from here on out. What makes you think that will be the case?

  103. blake September 5th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    I don’t necessarily want Cashman gone because I think he does certain things very well…..I’d like to see him bumped up to another position and a new GM that has had success in a smaller market come in to give them another view of things…..and ideally someone who has a good track record with pitching…..Towers was perfect….but they need a new voice…..a voice of another way to do things.

  104. LGY September 5th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    I remember the good ol days 2011 Spring Training when Keith Law thought ManBan was ready to pitch in the major league rotation.

    Now we are heading for 2013 and none of the Killer Bs are close to ready yet.

  105. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Chip, this is true, but having seen DB go for stretches with control, that’s probably the most awesome arsenal of pure staff and and domination I’ve seen in a young Yankee pitcher. That’s why it’s so hard to write it off; I’ve seen it. Garcia, though, it just rends the heart that his health was so fragile. Not fair, to be given that kind of talent and they to have it swiped from you. I wish him the best.

  106. RayVT September 5th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    Good to see you too. I wonder what the Yank Brain trust is drinking. If the Yanks somehow fall out of the playoff race, there may be wholesale changes not unlike what Beantown is doing. Cashman does seem to be obsessed with Theo & the remains in Beantown.

  107. blake September 5th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    “That’s assuming that he’s healthy from here on out. What makes you think that will be the case?”

    I have no idea if he will or not…..but he’s very young and very talented still so I’m not writing him off. We’ll see….it’d be different if he was 25

  108. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    I want the Yankees to win (obviously) but at the same time this team just feels like it’s on the edge of the cliff. Even if it wins this year they are still playing with fire and have serious flaws and personnel issues that need to be addressed.

  109. blake September 5th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    If the Yankees are going to operate on a tight budget then it would make sense to me to acquire an executive that has had experience winning on a tight budget.

  110. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    *then to have it swiped from you. stuff, not staff. LOL. Later, too depressed to write.

    Leaving shortly to see Austin/Flores and the Trenton kids in the EL playoff opener against Reading, distasteful Phillies’ squad. I hope when I return, we’ve still got our piece of first, if not sole possession of it.

    Good afternoon.

  111. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    LGY September 5th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    I remember the good ol days 2011 Spring Training when Keith Law thought ManBan was ready to pitch in the major league rotation.

    Now we are heading for 2013 and none of the Killer Bs are close to ready yet.
    ——————

    I think that from a talent standpoint he probably could break camp with the Yankees next year as part of the rotation – that wouldn’t be the issue. The issue would be that the Yankees would be terrified of his innings adding up after a lost year.

  112. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    My basic position on 2012, post Jan. 13, was they could win the division but I didn’t expect much in the postseason. Now, it’s all relative, even though they are woeful, especially without bringing in some help from the younger ranks. But, hey, it’s why they play the games, right?

    Later

  113. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    blake September 5th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    I don’t necessarily want Cashman gone because I think he does certain things very well…..I’d like to see him bumped up to another position and a new GM that has had success in a smaller market come in to give them another view of things…..and ideally someone who has a good track record with pitching…..Towers was perfect….but they need a new voice…..a voice of another way to do things.
    ——————–

    I agree with you – But if Cashman is going to be moved within the organization it is going to be up, which means his philosophy will still dominate.

    For the Yankees to build for the future I truly believe they need someone to come in who has no preconceived notions regarding the talent and evaluators within the organization and is given a free hand to make changes. Which means it can’t be another instance of promoting from within and turning the reigns over to Eppler, Oppenheimer or Newman no matter how well thought of they are.

  114. yankee21 September 5th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    ……Reading Hal guaranteeing that jettisoning Cashman or Girardi is not even a thought makes me realize no matter what happens this season this duo will be back and they’re going to destroy the Yankees as Jeter, Mo, Pettitte disappear into legend.

    Glove;
    IMO, Ownership philosophy over the last few years is really at the root of the Yankees situation. If Hal and co. truly cared about their product half as much as they cared about their costs, we wouldn’t be having many of these discussions and reading many of these rants.

    There seems to be no accountability in this organization for baseball decision making. The only area that gets Hal’s attention are costs.

    Which as I’ve said before is his prerogative. Just do not charge a premium price for a mediocre product and do not insult the fan base that the organization is all about championships. That more than anything really grinds me. Hal, Cash and even Girardi seem to come across as taking the average fan as a simpleton that just buy a beer, a hot dog aa Jeter jersey, and hearing about Arod’s quest for 3000 hits as if they are indifferent or lack any insight to detect what ownership is really about or what they are doing.

  115. J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    RayVT September 5th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock September 5th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    Good to see you too. I wonder what the Yank Brain trust is drinking. If the Yanks somehow fall out of the playoff race, there may be wholesale changes not unlike what Beantown is doing. Cashman does seem to be obsessed with Theo & the remains in Beantown.
    ///

    Ray, let him follow his pied piper to Chi-town then.

    Have a good one.

  116. Tyler September 5th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    This is the post of the year. You can blame the staff all you want but this team just can’t produce runs right now. They score 2 early in the game and don’t do anything the rest of the night…. too much pressure on the staff to keep that small lead.

  117. Sigmund September 5th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    How many games did it take the Yanks to go from a 10-game lead to zero? And how does this rank on the all-time quickest dissipation of a 10-game lead?

    (I could probably look this up myself, but I’m at worked and quite swamped. Thanks in advance for anyone able to arrive at the answer.)

    P.S.: I’m now fervently rooting for the all-time quickest escalation of a 10-game lead.

  118. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Tyler September 5th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    This is the post of the year. You can blame the staff all you want but this team just can’t produce runs right now. They score 2 early in the game and don’t do anything the rest of the night…. too much pressure on the staff to keep that small lead.
    ————————

    The issue isn’t this current stretch of games, it’s more about whether this team has fatal flaws in its construction that are being exploited in this current stretch of games.

    Is it an older team?? Yes
    Does it rely too much on the HR? Yes
    Does it have players who manufacture runs? No
    Does it have a lot of low average hitters? Yes

    Adam Dunn is a good player – but if you have a lineup full of Adam Dunn’s you’re not winning anything.

  119. Shame Spencer September 5th, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    jacksquat September 5th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Shame, I don’t think it’s silly that Cashman would get input from a former major league catcher who also is the manager. I don’t know why you turn that into Girardi “telling Cashman what to do”. Of course Cashman makes the final decision (unless overuled by ownership).

    —————-

    The dialogue around here sometimes suggests Girardi has more power than I believe he actually has.. which is why I worded it that way. I never said it would be silly for Cash to get his opinion.

  120. Tyler September 5th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    Chip-

    Oh I agree 100% with you. That’s why I’ve been a big proponent of trading Granderson this offseason even though I really like teh guy. I really think that the inactivity at the trade deadline is what doomed the team. Even when they were going well, you could see problems with the construction of the team…. no team is perfect in July but it’s how you fill those holes that often results in championships (like the Cardinals last year). A guy like Hanley really could have helped this year but it wasn’t going to happen due to money which never was the Yanks’ issue.

  121. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    Tyler –

    Cashman’s not a guy who likes making a big move at the deadline – he always feels like teams are trying to take advantage of him and use time against him.

  122. blake September 5th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    “Cashman’s not a guy who likes making a big move at the deadline – he always feels like teams are trying to take advantage of him and use time against him.”

    I think he’s become somewhat paranoid to that notion….

  123. ButtSmacker September 5th, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    Tyler September 5th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    Oh I agree 100% with you. That’s why I’ve been a big proponent of trading Granderson this offseason even though I really like teh guy.
    ———————————————————-

    Honestly, at this point what can we even get for Grandy this offseason?

    Assuming we pick up his option he be a guy on a $13 M – 1 year deal who’s current slash line is .233/.325/.480/.805… Grandy plays decent defense in CF and the only really strong # from his slash line (slugging) will likely go down if traded away from the short porch in YS… Some team would certainly take Grandy from us but I highly doubt we are getting that much in return.

  124. The Return of Stoneburner September 5th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    Chip September 5th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
    Tyler –

    Cashman’s not a guy who likes making a big move at the deadline – he always feels like teams are trying to take advantage of him and use time against him.

    *****

    But isn’t that what the Mariners did with the non-Cliff Lee trade in 2010?

  125. ButtSmacker September 5th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    I know one thing, we won’t be getting Austin Jackson back for Grandy.

    Another trade it looks pretty clear that Cashman has lost.

  126. yankee21 September 5th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    Cashman’s not a guy who likes making a big move at the deadline…

    He usually says in the off season he will revisit the need to make any moves at the TD. Then when the TD comes about he says the prices are out of line so he doesn’t make any moves.

    Sometimes Cash, you just got to do what you have to do to make the team better in the long and short run rather than seemingly always doing the safest thing which is to sign other team’s trash or FA OTH veterans who have virtually nothing to offer other than a hunger for a million dollars and a shot at a ring.

  127. Chip September 5th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    blake September 5th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    “Cashman’s not a guy who likes making a big move at the deadline – he always feels like teams are trying to take advantage of him and use time against him.”

    I think he’s become somewhat paranoid to that notion….
    ————————

    Agreed – GMs and Agents are out to get him.

  128. Tyler September 5th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    ButtSmacker September 5th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
    Tyler September 5th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    Oh I agree 100% with you. That’s why I’ve been a big proponent of trading Granderson this offseason even though I really like teh guy.
    ———————————————————-

    Honestly, at this point what can we even get for Grandy this offseason?

    Assuming we pick up his option he be a guy on a $13 M – 1 year deal who’s current slash line is .233/.325/.480/.805… Grandy plays decent defense in CF and the only really strong # from his slash line (slugging) will likely go down if traded away from the short porch in YS… Some team would certainly take Grandy from us but I highly doubt we are getting that much in return.
    —————————————————–

    I still believe he has some value… I’m not expecting top prospects for him but I think Cashman could find at least one team to part with something valuable for him.

  129. Tyler September 5th, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Chip-

    I’m not saying Cashman would do that but I think he should unless Granderson retools his game back to that gap to gap hitter he was in Detroit. As much as I like the guy, getting rid of him and substituting in more of a contact hitter into his place woudl be addition by subtraction.

  130. waldo geraldo faldo September 5th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Can someone tell me a player that has changed their batting approach from early in the year and what it is currently?

    Like Player X uses his back foot to load up… or something like that.

    PLEASE

  131. G. Love September 5th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    yankee21,

    You’re right. I do think they believe their average customer (because I think they look at us as customers & not fans) wouldn’t know Montero from Chris Stewart.

    I go to enough games now to see there is a huge segment of casual fans just there for a day trip/night out and there are die hards who can’t believe what we’re seeing.

    At the end of the day all of the financial might they’ve earned was achieved by winning more than anyone else and putting top talent on the field.

    The 80′s with guys like Henderson and Jack Clark didn’t work. Yes, they were stars, but without winning the stands were a ghost town.

    I’d hate to see a return to those days, but the fact is the fans will stop paying the prices to casually support the team if they don’t win. Die hards will still be there but they’ll spend less than they normally do.

    If Hal just cares about numbers, the numbers will shift if they don’t win and put a better product on the field. The organization is no longer doing their best to be the best. What they’re doing now is trying to skate by without spending.

    As for Cashman leading this organization that’s a problem. Someone more creative is needed who can assess what he has in the system and what others have in their systems and know what players to target.

    Cashman’s content to get the last gasps of fading vets on low cost contracts rather than find a young guy who is blocked in another organization that could help here. He never makes those kind of deals.

    He has more affinity for quad A guys who can be released at any moment like Pearce and McGehee.

    Outside of the poor self scouting and scouting of other orgs is the development of what they have. We just can’t seem to get these guys to majors healthy or ready for the stage.

    If I was an owner who cared about finances I’d question my GM why are you consistently failing at turning our most talented youngsters into baseball players.

  132. austinmac September 5th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    The Swisher trade is Cashman’s only good, non-salary dump trade. Of course, they wouldn’t make that now because he did have several years of a guaranteed contract.

    They won’t take on money. They have no prospects ready to help. Their tradable prospects are all so far away a team would require several to get a good return. Under their current philosophy, they are screwed.

    My only hope is they will realize losing for salary concerns is stupid in the Yankees’ world. They have the money. Spend money to make money. It has worked for years. As JFK hasp intend out many times, the CBA doesn’t really change the salary penalties that much. It is how the Yankees respond that is changing.

  133. just_another_handle September 5th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    The best outcome would be for the owners to sell. I honestly don’t think they have a feel or passion for the game or the product they put out.

    The next best outcome is to let Cashman go at the end of the season. The game has changed in more ways than one and his personal problems do not reflect great credit on himself or the organization.

    Naturally, the new GM would want to have his own manager installed as part of the new regimem.

    And the faded star system has to go.

  134. waldo geraldo faldo September 5th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    Can someone here give me a brief rundown on Swisher’s batting as a LH and a RH?

  135. waldo geraldo faldo September 5th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    blake?

  136. blake September 5th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    “If I was an owner who cared about finances I’d question my GM why are you consistently failing at turning our most talented youngsters into baseball players.”

    I think as long as the Yankees make the playoffs and the seats are full enough that Hal makes the profit he wants then nothing will change…..they will keep Cashman on because he covers for Hal and makes excuses for why they aren’t spending money…..Cash is a loyal and good soldier…

    They should keep Cashman….make him a president of something so that he still has input but hire a GM that has experience developing players and winning in smaller markets.

    I think they have to many yes men…..they need different ideas to kick around…..and they need somebody that has a clue how to develop starting pitching and how to evaluate it in general.

  137. waldo geraldo faldo September 5th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    Granderson first, blake?

  138. blake September 5th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    “Can someone here give me a brief rundown on Swisher’s batting as a LH and a RH?”

    Swisher has historically been a little better from the right side in his career……higher average and more OBP from the right side but more power from the left side. His swing is flatter and shorter from the left side and he’s more of a line drive guy right handed…..

    His swing is longer and less flat from the left side for me…..

    he’s got a career OPS over .800 from both sides of the plate though so he doesn’t really have big platoon splits….just a little better overall right handed and a little more power left handed in his career.

    This year though he’s had a lot more power left handed as he’s slugging almost 100 points higher from that side.

  139. blake September 5th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    Granderson is a groove swinger to me that has the ability to be more…..he’s got quick enough hands and enough bat speed to be better than we are seeing and he showed some of that last year…..for the most part he swings the exact same no matter the count or pitch and if it hits his bat it goes far…..if it doesn’t he K’s.

  140. yankee21 September 5th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    When was the last time Granderson had his vision checked. I mean really, it seems he not only swings and misses alot but his misses are not even close to the pitch. Get your freaking eyes checked for crying out loud or get a new swing or a new approach. Add some value!

    Realistically, he needs to go after 2013. Getting too old and one dimensional. If NY had a real GM who had an ounce of creativity they would move him this winter for some pieces that can help them down the road but Cashman will likely extend him to some BS onerous contract and Grandy will contribute to the rope around NY’s neck for the next few years. Of course there is the obligatory note that whenever you mention Granderson one always has to kick in, it must be said; “I really like the guy.”

  141. yankeefeminista September 5th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    Chip, Pruf…Speaking of Garcia: “Greg Booker, the Syracuse pitching coach, said Garcia could “absolutely” get batters out in the majors right now. Garcia throws his four-seam fastball 96 miles per hour consistently and touches 98, with a diving sinker that zips around 94. He has a 12-to-6 curve and a high-80s change-up.”

    Ouch! Although I understood why they let him go, I was crushed. I too hope he has great success.

    Anyone out Reading, Pa. want to weigh in with weather report?

  142. blake September 5th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    “When was the last time Granderson had his vision checked. I mean really, it seems he not only swings and misses alot but his misses are not even close to the pitch”

    I agree….I mean he misses pitches by like a foot sometimes..

  143. Warning Track Power September 5th, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    Rays have a lefty starting tonight.
    Who plays/who sits?
    Ichiro
    Grandy
    Dickerson
    Pearce
    McGehee
    Chavez
    Cano

  144. blake September 5th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    They should absolutely shop Granderson this winter…..I highly doubt they will though. If they can get good value for him and they can replace his bat in the lineup with somebody younger then they should do that……

  145. blake September 5th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    “Rays have a lefty starting tonight.
    Who plays/who sits?”

    Jeter (SS)
    Swisher (RF)
    Cano (2B)
    Arod (3B)
    Jones (LF)
    Granderson (CF)
    Martin (C)
    McGehee (1B)
    Nunez (DH)

    I know…..yuck right

  146. 86w183 September 5th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    I agree the vision issue might need to be examined (pun intended) with Granderson.

    however I think he has very little trade value on a one-year $ 15 M contract. You’d have to take some bad $$$ back.

    Because of that, I would not pick up the option. That’s $ 13 M that can be better spent elsewhere as far as I’m concerned.

  147. blake September 5th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    Pettitte faces hitters for first time since leg injury
    By Mike Axisa
    For the first time since suffering a left leg fracture in late-June, left-hander Andy Pettitte faced hitters in a simulated game/live batting practice this afternoon. He threw 15 pitches in one “inning,” facing four hitters — Casey McGehee (twice), Eduardo Nunez, Chris Dickerson. From the look of it, Andy was throwing with full effort or at least very close to it. He did use an L-screen, if you care about such things.

    Pitching coach Larry Rothschild told Sweeny Murti that Pettitte was “excellent” and that his arm strength is right where they expected it to be. He’ll face hitters again on Friday, presumably stretching it out to 30 or so pitches. Although Triple-A Empire State and Double-A Trenton are in the postseason, it sounds like Pettitte will do all of his rehab work in sim games these next few weeks. Just eye-balling the schedule, September 26th or 27th is the absolute latest Andy could return while still making two regular season starts in advance of a potential postseason series. · (0) ·

    http://riveraveblues.com/

    some good news at least…..if only Andy could hit

  148. UnKnown September 5th, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    So from the breakdown above it looks like Martin is leading the charge. oofta…

  149. blake September 5th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    “however I think he has very little trade value on a one-year $ 15 M contract. You’d have to take some bad $$$ back.”

    I don’t think so….too many teams need CF help for him not to have some value and he’s only 1 year removed from MVP level performance…..also he’s still going to hit 35 homers as a CFer……the Braves, Nats, Giants etc…..all need outfield help and I’d guess some team would like to gamble that he’d bounce back for a year……it would have to be a contender and it would have to be somebody that wants to win in 2013…..

    you’re not getting a huge return….but you could get value I think if they can find the right trade partner.

  150. The Return of Stoneburner September 5th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    I could see the White Sox also being interested in Granderson.

  151. blake September 5th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    The Braves have young pitching to spare and are going to need a CFer after Bourn leaves……if they could add a Granderson replacement and then deal Grandy for a Delgado or a Teheran or a Mike Minor then that would be cool.

  152. blake September 5th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    “I could see the White Sox also being interested in Granderson.”

    sure….but they don’t have much I’d want….

  153. Warning Track Power September 5th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    Jeter (SS)
    Swisher (RF)
    Cano (2B)
    Arod (3B)
    Jones (LF)
    Granderson (CF)
    Martin (C)
    McGehee (1B)
    Nunez (DH)
    —————————————————————————————————————

    I don’t like A. Jones in LF.
    Can Pearce play LF instead? I can’t recall where he does play on Defense.

  154. blake September 5th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    I also think Granderson could potentially be a piece in a trade for a bat…..he’s not going to get you a Justin Upton by himself but Granderson plus other stuff might….the Dbacks want to win now too and they aren’t that far away.

  155. blake September 5th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    “I don’t like A. Jones in LF.”

    I don’t like Jonesy playing at all….but prepare yourself for it.

  156. The Return of Stoneburner September 5th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    blake September 5th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
    “I could see the White Sox also being interested in Granderson.”

    sure….but they don’t have much I’d want….

    *****

    Would you swap one year of Granderson for one year of Peavy?

  157. The Return of Stoneburner September 5th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    I wish my Texas Rangers/Granderson trade would have panned out – Granderson for David Murphy and Leonys Martin/or Robbie Ross. No way that happens now.

  158. The Return of Stoneburner September 5th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Pirates will also be in win now mode – do they take a flier on Granderson for one year knowing they will probably not be able to sign him?

  159. blake September 5th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    “Would you swap one year of Granderson for one year of Peavy?”

    nah….Peavy could break at any moment.

  160. 86w183 September 5th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    Blake,

    I’m not saying Granderson is without value but finding a team that’ll give up good talent AND pay him those $ 15 Million is gonna be extremely difficult.

  161. blake September 5th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    I think the Braves and Nats are both good fits for Granderson…..both (especially the Nats) could sign him and both have some stuff I’d be interested in in a trade and both are going to be competitive in 2013

  162. UnKnown September 5th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    Yankee hitters can’t hit a change up or basically any off speed stuff to save their lives right? So how about abandoning the idea of trying to hit it and just take it. Hopefully it is called a ball.

    Just sit dead red all game long and gear up for the heat. Anytime in the count you see a fastball attack it like a piece of cheesecake and try to do all your damage off of fastballs.

    It might come down to this last resort approach in hoping to do anything at all offensively.

  163. blake September 5th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    “I’m not saying Granderson is without value but finding a team that’ll give up good talent AND pay him those $ 15 Million is gonna be extremely difficult”

    you just have to find the right buyer…..the Tigers gave up Jacob Turner for 3 months of Infante and Sanchez……the Giants gave up Zack Wheeler for 3 months of Beltran……you just have to find a team that has excess in an area that sees Granderson as improving their chances for 2013

  164. blake September 5th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    “Just sit dead red all game long and gear up for the heat. Anytime in the count you see a fastball attack it like a piece of cheesecake and try to do all your damage off of fastballs.”

    cause a lot of the Yankee hitters have to cheat to get to a good fastball and because a good CU looks like a fastball until it’s too late and you’ve swung too early.

  165. RMS September 5th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    After reading Chad’s post, the only way Yanks win tonight is Kuroda giving up no more than 1 run.

  166. randy l. September 5th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    ‘I don’t like Jonesy playing at all….but prepare yourself for it.”

    what?

    jones is a positive thinker. how can you not like that?
    have you ever seen anyone who’s so happy when he strikes out.

  167. Ys Guy September 5th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    Yanks win 6 of the next 8 and all is right with the world again.

    My laptop is in the sickbay so ill probly be MIA for a few days.

    Let’s Go Yankees!!!!!

  168. ButtSmacker September 5th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    blake September 5th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    “I’m not saying Granderson is without value but finding a team that’ll give up good talent AND pay him those $ 15 Million is gonna be extremely difficult”

    you just have to find the right buyer…..the Tigers gave up Jacob Turner for 3 months of Infante and Sanchez……the Giants gave up Zack Wheeler for 3 months of Beltran……you just have to find a team that has excess in an area that sees Granderson as improving their chances for 2013
    ——————————————-
    Those are both TD moves though where teams were desperate to feel a need mid-season for a stretch run. I think that makes a big difference. It would be highly unlikely for the Yanks to trade Grandy mid-season next year. If he is playing well we would keep him for our own stretch run, if he is playing poorly again there won’t be much of a market for him.

    I think it’s highly likely we pick up his option and just let him play out next year. Cashman won’t want to admit his trade for Granderson was yet another failure.

    I also think it is highly unlikely that Grandy is a 35 HR guy playing half his games in either SF or ATL… I would think Grandy would be more of a mid 20′s type HR guy playing in either of those pitcher friendly parks.

  169. randy l. September 5th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    “I don’t necessarily want Cashman gone because I think he does certain things very well”

    the last thing cashman did really well was get george’s coffee.

    although he’s probably good at combing hal’s hair and lighting hank’s cigarette’s too.

  170. blake September 5th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    randy,

    you have to keep Cash around to close the deal on the dumpster dives man…..what happens if you need an 8th starter or a back up back up catcher or RFer……who ya gonna call?

  171. ButtSmacker September 5th, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    BTW, congrats to Dickey on what looks like his 18th W of the year if the Mets can hold onto this 4 run lead in the 9th… Dickey is a great story, rooting for him to with the Cy. Him and Cueto are neck and neck, slight advantage Dickey at the moment IMO.

  172. blake September 5th, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    “I think it’s highly likely we pick up his option and just let him play out next year”

    oh that’s absolutely what they are going to do……I’m just talking about things they could do.

  173. blake September 5th, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    projected 2013 lineup.

    Jeter (SS)
    Granderson (CF)
    Cano (2B)
    Arod (3B)
    Tex (1B)
    Hunter (RF)
    Somebody old (DH)
    Martin (C)
    Gardner (LF)

  174. blake September 5th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Projected 2013 rotation

    Sabathia
    Garza (traded excess offense for him)
    Hughes
    Nova
    Phelps.

  175. Wave Your Hat September 5th, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    blake, are you just trying to make me barf?

  176. blake September 5th, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    “blake, are you just trying to make me barf?”

    yes :) I’m just being realistic

  177. UnKnown September 5th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    blake September 5th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    ——–

    Good Point.

    However, I’m not sure about this stuff all day about how Cash doesn’t know anything. Remember the FO and coaches always and I mean always know more than the fans. amarite…

  178. blake September 5th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    if you don’t want me to be realistic then stop telling me we can’t trade for Justin Upton ;)

  179. pat September 5th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    TylerKepner
    Lost in that Bobby V radio rant: he calls the Oakland Coliseum “stupid” — http://www.weei.com/sports/bos.....nts-return

  180. Yank1 September 5th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    Isn’t it sad that every winter we’re chasing our trail trying to get more pitching while the offense continues to become ancient with no replacements in sight?

    As long as they continue to be satisfied with this “lightening in a bottle” approach that gives us guys like Ichiro, Jones, Ibanez, etc. the offense is going to be old and lacking bat speed or consistency.

  181. UnKnown September 5th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/a.....1;mlb.html

    Weaver and arm issues. If you’re a Halo fan you have to be really disappointed about this season thus far. Except for the fact that you get to watch Trout everyday.

  182. Wave Your Hat September 5th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    i can see Hunter in pinstripes. Or rather, I can see the Yank front office seeing that.


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