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The risk and reward of getting healthy

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Sep 10, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Since we kind of stumbled onto a believe-or-not-believe theme for the day, here’s one that leaves me not knowing what to believe.

Who’s to blame for Mark Teixeira’s latest setback?

When he ran in the outfield on Thursday and said he wanted to play on Friday, I read plenty of messages in all sorts of formats saying Joe Girardi was being overly cautious again. It’s a familiar gripe about Girardi, in his rules about reliever workload and his tendency to give veterans regular turns at designated hitter even if it means putting a lesser player in the lineup.

Teixeira said he could play. Why not let him play?

A day later, Teixeira got hurt playing at less than 100 percent. Why let him play?

“I had to try it out,” Teixeira said. “If you wait until you’re 100 percent, you wait months. You have to see if you can play. … …I pulled my quad in 2007, missed a month. It was tight for another year and a half. It was tight for a long time. Am I not going to play for that long? I thought it was just tight (Saturday) night but obviously it was still healing. I couldn’t play through it.”

Teixeira said his calf was tight throughout Saturday’s game, but it gave out when he tried to beat out that double play ball in the ninth.

“I do believe he was ready to go,” Girardi said. “But I believe he just got in a crazy play.”

If not for that one play when he really had to test the calf, Teixeira might have gotten through Saturday’s game and felt good enough play through it on Sunday. Give him a day off today, and maybe he’d be a little better tomorrow. And a little better the day after that.

So what do you believe? Is Girardi too cautious? Too reckless? Are the DH days what’s allowed Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez to avoid wear-and-tear injuries this season? Are the Yankees pushing the envelope using Dave Robertson and Rafael Soriano for four or five outs at a time?

Is it Girardi’s fault that Teixeira’s hurt again? Teixeira’s fault? Steve Donohue’s fault? No one’s fault?

“It’s not as bad as when it first happened,” Teixeira said. “I was limping for a couple of days when it first happened. It’s somewhere in the middle, but we’ll see where we are.”

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203 Responses to “The risk and reward of getting healthy”

  1. bruceb September 10th, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Tex’s fault for insisting he was fit to play.

    Girardi’s fault for believing him.

    Nobody’s fault because Tex wanted to help the team and the team needed his help.

  2. Villa Nova-Ya September 10th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    Athletes play hurt all the time; it’s a matter of degree. At this time of year, a professional is going to push himself.

    It is nobody’s “fault.” There doesn’t always have to be fault. We don’t always have to place blame.

  3. fantasygame101 September 10th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    the player’s fault. He knows his body more than anyone. He also should be smart enough to avoid aggravating them. On his final at bat, Tex knowing that it is tight should have made sure that he puts the ball in the air or strikeout to avoid the stress running. Tex should have tell girardi his situation during games. He should be the dh first when he returns and just like cabrera did, do not run hard to first base.

  4. Hassey September 10th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    It’s my fault for changing out of my Yankee shirt that night before the Swisher AB

  5. Doc Iac September 10th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    fantasygame101 September 10th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    the player’s fault. He knows his body more than anyone. He also should be smart enough to avoid aggravating them. On his final at bat, Tex knowing that it is tight should have made sure that he puts the ball in the air or strikeout to avoid the stress running. Tex should have tell girardi his situation during games. He should be the dh first when he returns and just like cabrera did, do not run hard to first base.

    —-

    now were complainin about players who sacrifice everything to win?

  6. DONNYBROOK September 10th, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    - BLAKE -
    MLB does follow-up testing in order to substantiate their initial findings. This aint a “one-and-done” situation. Nobody had a motive other than Braun. He wanted to win, and being it was the end of the season, he took the chance he would Not be tested. His failed test was administered during the Playoffs.

  7. blake September 10th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    I think overall Girardi does a great job of resting and keeping everyone as fresh as possible….its been extremely difficult this year due to thr injuries

  8. blake September 10th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    “MLB does follow-up testing in order to substantiate their initial findings. This aint a “one-and-done” situation.”

    Yes….and he passed the 2nd test.

  9. DONNYBROOK September 10th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    First off, when TEX initially sustained the injury, he told Girardi he was OK, and even limped around the bases. That shoulda told Girardi he could NOT believe TEX when he says he is alright physically. 2nd, for those of us that saw TEX running the bases before the game Fri, you could clearly see he was NOT close to 100%. Girardi knew TEX’s physical condition SAT, as did TEX. BOTH knew there was risk involved in putting TEX in the lineup.

  10. DONNYBROOK September 10th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    As I understand it, the test you are referring to was requested by the player.

  11. Run it Out September 10th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    blake

    I think overall Girardi does a great job of resting and keeping everyone as fresh as possible….its been extremely difficult this year due to thr injuries…and their age.

  12. fantasygame101 September 10th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    sac everything to win a game with many more games to play is not smart. What is 1 game if the risk is missing the season? a few games, miguel cabrera played hurt and he was not running hard to first even on double play but the tigers and fans knows that so they were ok with it bec. they needed his bat. Tex should have done the same bec. his bat was needed.

  13. blake September 10th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    “As I understand it, the test you are referring to was requested by the player.”

    No….I believe its protocol to do a 2nd test when there is a positive…..and Im fairly certain it was reported that he passed the 2nd test.

  14. briang September 10th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    why you all gotta blame someone? tex is hurt. we knew that was a bad injury based on jeter’s last year. not gonna heal easy cuz these guys live on their legs. did tex no how badly he was missed?…of course. did he want back in and to help cuz he knew it too?…of course. did girardo believe tex and wanna see for himself?…of course. nobody is to blame. they all need this line up intact if they wanna get winning again….they rushed a very sensitive injury an it cost them. now you gotta rest him and hope he’s ready for the play offs if they get in. no, no….IT’S YOUR FAULT AND YOU SHOULD BE FIRED!…how’s that?…better?….i figured.

  15. blake September 10th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    If Tex would have hit a sac fly instead if a ground ball then hed probably still be playing.

  16. yankeefeminista September 10th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Villa, did you go to the rescheduled Trenton game?

  17. Villa Nova-Ya September 10th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    If that play doesn’t happen the other night, Tex likely gets some treatment after the game and stays in the lineup the next day.

    Listening to MLB radio this morning and they discussed this. Said that there is no way to test game circumstances when deciding whether a player is ready, particularly not the particular circumstance that Tex came up against to end that game.

    It is a risk. Definitely a risk. But if you wait for 100%, even if you wait for 90% at this time of year, I’m not sure you’re going to get it in the amount of time that is left to the season.

    Apparently, the Yankees and Tex both felt that his playing at 80% or so was worth the risk. I don’t know that you can place “blame” in a situation where no one did anything wrong. Players play hurt. Managers trust veterans players to know how far they can push themselves. Girardi does not 100% trust players’ evaluations, which is way he always adds that extra day.

    Tex could have punked out on the play and not tried to be safe. Then the outcome of the game would have been certain. This particular discussion wouldn’t be taking place.

    Instead, the conversation would probably have been that Tex punked out and didn’t lay himself out on the line for his team.

    I guess either way, Tex and Girardi would have been second guessed, though. That’s the nature of fan discussions for the most part.

    I think it’s tough to ask a highly competitive individual to “hold their horses” when their team is struggling in the midst of an intense pennant race, with very little time left to make things right before the season is over.

  18. munson15 September 10th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    Nobody’s fault. Tex is trying to help the team and thought he could go. His manager trusted his vet player. Every tissue is not black and white. $hit happens. There is no story here.

  19. Villa Nova-Ya September 10th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    yankeefeminista -

    I am so bummed. I could not go to the re-scheduled game because I had prior unchangeable plans for Sunday!!! Trying to figure out if we can get to a game next weekend, but with our luck this summer, I’m going to wait until the last minute and see if there are tickets left.

    Very, very unhappy to have missed the clinching game.

  20. I Am Winning September 10th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    I love Chad calling out those nay-sayers ” I read plenty of messages in all sorts of formats saying Joe Girardi was being overly cautious again.”

    If this were before the first half of the season, Tex would of likely gone on the DL, and rightfully so. Jeter would likely be missing a week, if not on the DL with whatever current injury he has as well. This is down the stretch. The manager and trainers know what they are doing. If they have the luxury of giving a guy an extra couple days of rest in the beginning of the season, they should, and they will do so. At this point in September it obviously wouldn’t make sense. All that being overly cautious stuff, is just crap.

  21. Tyler September 10th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    I don’t mind Tex coming back and trying. Like he said, if he waited until he was 100% the season might have been done anyway. He gave it a try in a crucial game. I don’t think the Yanks should have any regrets.

  22. Warning Track Power September 10th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Tex is a grown man and if he felt he was ready to play, then so be it.
    I just hope the new MRI does not show severe damage to the calf or else this team will not
    have his bat/glove for another 2-3 weeks.

  23. austinmac September 10th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    I don’t find fault for letting him play. These things are not cut and dried. Move on.

    However, I do fault Hassey for taking off his Yankee shirt. Swisher needed it. Very thoughtless as he needs all the help he can get. For his next AB, please wear a shirt and hat. It is moments like this that determine most valuable blogger at the end of the year.

  24. DONNYBROOK September 10th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    The test Braun passed, was asked for by the player, and taken roughly 3 weeks after he failed his initial test.

  25. hillbillyshakespeare September 10th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    This is dumb post is your fault.

  26. Tyler September 10th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Swisher does the same thing nearly every year. He has about 2-3 streaks where he absolutely kills the ball and gets his average close to 280 and his homeruns up. Then he slumps right after but will still finish 265 25 homers etc. If he doesn’t produce in October this year I want nothing to do with the guy next year.

  27. yankeefeminista September 10th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Villa, I was hoping you were there. Too bad! The Trenton team right now is so much fun to watch. And I think for the weekend games, even if you wait to the last minute, there should be tickets. These games never seem to sell out no matter what, except for the Jeter rehab game. Not sure if Andy’s did. Joba’s definitely didn’t and playoffs never seem to. Turley’s pitching again Saturday, so hopefully that game is played. And Sunday’s a 4PM, so won’t conflict too much with the Yanks game! :)

  28. tk September 10th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    This article has some good information on Braun’s testing.

    http://www.jsonline.com/sports.....65663.html

    “In a normal sample the ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone is roughly one-to-one. Anything more than 4-1 is considered abnormal and triggers a second test. Braun’s sample came in at 20-1 for the ratio between the two hormones. In addition, a separate test showed the presence of synthetic testosterone.”

  29. DONNYBROOK September 10th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    -tk-
    Thanks for the article.

  30. Hassey September 10th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    Austinmac – OK< you got it, but I'm gonna look absolutely ridiculous wearing the short, hat and my lucky cup, sitting in boxers on my couch

  31. austinmac September 10th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    donny and Villa,

    The next time you or any friend or family is accused of wrongdoing, don’t get a lawyer. You must be guilty or you wouldn’t be accused. Is that the way you want the system to work?

    Procedure and process matter. Science matters. Get stopped for a DWI, have a blood test and let them leave it in a car for a few days, put it in a coke can and then use the results. Okay with you?

  32. Villa Nova-Ya September 10th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    yankeefeminista -

    Definitely should be tickets available, I agree. When we reserved ours we practically had a choice of anywhere we wanted to sit, not that there is really a bad seat in the house. :)

    The Jeter games were unbelievable!! And I give thanks to this blog for the heads-up that allowed me to get tickets before the official announcement was made!!

  33. blake September 10th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    Nobody but Braun really knows if he did it or not…..but there is just way too much fishy stuff surrounding that case for me to 100% conckude he did it……and the fact that hes basically putting up the same numbers this year only supports the notion that either he never did it to begin with or that he didnt need it even if he did.

  34. austinmac September 10th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    Hassey,

    I was okay until you got to the lucky cup. I’m just hoping your drinking from it and not wearing it.

  35. Hassey September 10th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    A-Mac – What do you mean? Doesn’t everyone here wear their lucky cup during the games? Oh wait, check that, I thought I was on my OTHER blog…..

  36. LGY September 10th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    If Tex would have hit a sac fly instead if a ground ball then hed probably still be playing.

    ——–

    Which is particularly annoying considering Tex is such an extreme fly ball hitter.

  37. Villa Nova-Ya September 10th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    austinmac -

    Listen, people talk about conspiracies and stuff. I just imagined a scenario of a reverse conspiracy. I don’t think it happened that way. I never said it was okay. And Braun was exonerated because the process wasn’t followed correctly, as it should be.

    But I do admit to wanting to know how in the world such an unreal test result occurred. Perhaps it was the storage. Perhaps the actual testing process. You can’t say you aren’t curious as to why or how such off-the-chart results were obtained, can you?

  38. Chambliss September 10th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    For a business with a $200 million payroll, I don’t understand why they didn’t do an MRI before clearing Tex to play. Sure, ask him how he is feeling, but also do the test in case he is not telling the truth.

    Also, it is a muscle strain. Rest and a lot of it is the only thing that it going to make it better. A torn achilles is probably the worst case scenario, and that is why they will be very careful with Tex.

    While the Yankees will miss Tex, a healthy A-Rod can carry the team to and through the postseason.

  39. charlestonchew September 10th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    Braun most definitely used steroids. It’s pretty conclusive. If the panel didn’t contain an MLB rep and a MLBPA rep, then he would have been found guilty beyond doubt. There’s a reason MLB suspended him for 50 games to start with.

  40. blake September 10th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    Ryan Braun

    2011: .332/.397/.597/.994 33 homers
    2012: .313/.387/.602/.989 38 homers

    so what do we conclude from this?

    1. he never used steroids
    2. he’s still using steroids
    3. he used but really didn’t need to use steroids.

  41. blake September 10th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    “Braun most definitely used steroids. It’s pretty conclusive.”

    I don’t think it’s conclusive at all…..at the very most it’s questionable. Maybe he did….maybe he didn’t….we’ll likely never know….but either way he’s putting up the same numbers if not better this year.

  42. austinmac September 10th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    Again, Braun’s testing was badly mishandled.. One cannot and should not be suspended if they screw up the testing and do not do it scientifically. They clearly did not follow scientific , laboratory protocol which is in effect so the tests are reliable.

    This is not complicated to anyone who doesn’t have some preconceived bias. Again, Charleston, if you get arrested, just go to jail. Don’t contest the evidence. The authorities always have it correct.

    And by the way you don’t know anything about Braun.

  43. RadioKev September 10th, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    It’s possible Braun is still using, but I wouldn’t actually make that suggestion.

    I suspect he did use and it didn’t really make much of a difference. It’s not a hard science, and baseball isn’t just a game of strength.

  44. austinmac September 10th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    Blake,

    We conclude that I wish Braun was a Yankee.

  45. Against All Odds September 10th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    .but either way he’s putting up the same numbers if not better this year.

    —————-

    Of course he is because……he’s still using!!!!

    signed the guy that put Braun’s sample in his fridge. :D

  46. LGY September 10th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    Braun most definitely used steroids. It’s pretty conclusive. If the panel didn’t contain an MLB rep and a MLBPA rep, then he would have been found guilty beyond doubt. There’s a reason MLB suspended him for 50 games to start with.

    ——–

    The one independent arbitrator on the panel ruled in favor of Braun.

  47. blake September 10th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    “We conclude that I wish Braun was a Yankee.”

    Yes!!!

  48. blake September 10th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    Cashman probably has Braun as a 4th outfielder borderline starter without the roids…..so never happen ;)

  49. austinmac September 10th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    I wish people would not convict anyone before he is found guilty or pleads guilty. Many people are accused and are not guilty.

    North Korea has a very good judicial system some of you would like. If we say you did it, then you did it. Who needs valid proof?

    You folks know truth just like they do. Congratulations.

  50. Villa Nova-Ya September 10th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    From http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_.....suspension

    Braun’s representatives are saying there was a difference in the ph balance of Braun’s sample when it was taken at the time of the test and when it arrived at the lab in Montreal. A source said the director of the Montreal Olympic doping lab, Christiane Ayotte, testified during the hearing that it was not unusual for the balance to be different, as the equipment used in the field is not as sophisticated and accurate as the equipment in the lab. She also said she did not question the integrity of the sample and that it arrived with all seals intact.

    Sources told Quinn and Fainaru-Wada the seals were totally intact and testing never reflected any degradation of the sample. Based on the World Anti-Doping Agency code, this is exactly what would have been expected to happen, and the collector took the proper action, the source said.

    The source also noted that synthetic testosterone doesn’t show up just because a sample sits in one place or another.

    ***

    Not a cut-and-dried situation. Experts on either side of a case will present a case favorable to its side, if possible. Braun’s representatives were astute to argue the one thing that could be argued cleanly, and that is that the protocol for handling was not followed to the letter, and as such you cannot be 100% certain that the sample was uncorrupted.

  51. austinmac September 10th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    If it is not cut and dried, then how can anyone say what he did or didn’t do? Did he do steroids? How do I know? Under the system approved by both sides, they determined they lacked sufficient evidence to prove he did it. That was the burden of MLB and they failed. Case closed.

    If MLB wants to show use, do the testing properly. How can anyone rationally(that could be my mistake) think that is improper?

  52. Villa Nova-Ya September 10th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    austinmac -

    That is unfair.

    Many people are accused and not guilty, true, but the opposite also occurs. And many times the opposite occurs (guilty people being “let off”) due to a technicality.

    However, it is preferable, in the case where it’s not clear, that a guilty person gets off on a technicality that is there to protect all of us, than an innocent person be punished.

    And it is absolutely fair game for discussion among intelligent people that if a person gets off on a technicality, to wonder about the actual circumstances of the “case” and whether or not they were actually guilty.

    The fact is we do not know with any degree of certainty whether Braun used PEDs or not.

  53. blake September 10th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    The one sure fire way to clear your name after a PED accusation is to do the investigation yourself.

  54. Run it Out September 10th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    If there wasn’t a leak to the media from the MLB offices or the lab we wouldn’t be talking about this.

  55. austinmac September 10th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    Does Melky have enough plate appearances to qualify for the batting title? If so, that doesn’t seem right for him to win. However, I can’t think of any circustance in which the Commissioner has voided stats?

    He could give him as asterisk like they gave Roger.+

  56. Villa Nova-Ya September 10th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    austinmac -

    I think the point is they never said they lacked sufficient evidence, isn’t it? The point of that case as that you could not consider the evidence they had because the proper procedures weren’t following in handling the evidence. I think that’s a distinction. Braun’s attorneys did not argue that the sample was flawed, just the process. They didn’t even say the testing was done improperly. All that was concluded was that you couldn’t use the evidence because it didn’t go directly to Fed Ex.

  57. ac1 September 10th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    sac everything to win a game with many more games to play is not smart. What is 1 game if the risk is missing the season? a few games, miguel cabrera played hurt and he was not running hard to first even on double play but the tigers and fans knows that so they were ok with it bec. they needed his bat. Tex should have done the same bec. his bat was needed.

    ____

    Two years ago, Jacoby Ellsbury actually sat out because of his injury even though most believed he could have played and he was ripped apart by his teammates, fans, and media. This is why no one wants to admit he isnt 100% unless he actually appears to be 100% hurt. If Tex ws walking, we would wonder why he wasnt on the field.

  58. blake September 10th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    “And it is absolutely fair game for discussion among intelligent people that if a person gets off on a technicality, to wonder about the actual circumstances of the “case” and whether or not they were actually guilty.”

    I agree…..its fair to debate what you “think” happened….but anyone who does so should acknowledge that nobody knows for sure……

    from everything Ive read on it I dont think he did it….it just doesnt add up to me…..but I dont know for sure….nobody does except Ryan Braun.

  59. blake September 10th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    “If there wasn’t a leak to the media from the MLB offices or the lab we wouldn’t be talking about this.”

    Correct…..we shouldnt even know about it…..just as we shouldnt know about Arod.

  60. theREALkevin September 10th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    Oh yeah. That test collector who had never had a complaint or issue in hundreds of other cases sabotaged Braun’s sample. He risked his job and reputation just to screw over Ryan Braun…. Sure. Braun used. Plain and simple. The collector waited like an extra night because there wasn’t an open FedEx or whatever close by that night. So you’re claiming that the collector sabotaged the sample or testosterone grew overnight in the sample in his fridge?

    Give me a ****ing break. Anyone saying that he didn’t use is just reaching desperately. It’s too bad really because he obviously didn’t need to use yet still did. That’s even worse than someone who needs it to stay in the MLB or to be decent. What a shame.

  61. blake September 10th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    “Braun’s attorneys did not argue that the sample was flawed, just the process”

    He didnt need to……they chose the defense that was easiest to win and focus on that…..and the chain of command stuff was easy oickins for a good lawyer……

  62. Run it Out September 10th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    just as we shouldnt know about Arod.

    Agree

  63. Against All Odds September 10th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    blake September 10th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    Cashman probably has Braun as a 4th outfielder borderline starter without the roids…..so never happen ;)

    —————————–

    lol funniest thing I’ve ever heard

  64. theREALkevin September 10th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Actually, I think we should know about everyone that used. We have a right to know who cheated and who didn’t. If you cheat you should be outed. I’m glad we know everyone that did or mostly everyone.

  65. austinmac September 10th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    Villa,

    Technicalities, as you call them, exist for a reason. The reason here is verifiability of testing. Process and procedure is essential to fairness and truth. The independent arbitor didn’t accept is as valid. Who are we to say otherwise. Who are we to libel someone who wasn’t proven to have committed the act.

    We can do that, but I don’t think it is right under the system of justice we live in.

    We can wonder. We can speculate. I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with someone saying they know the truth more than the ones who heard all the evidence and were charged with determing the facts.

    It doesn’t appear you are doing that so I have no beef with you. Since I have spent my life seeking truth, this usbject is one important to me. I don’t mean to lecture you, and if I did, I apologize.

  66. Villa Nova-Ya September 10th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    blake -

    Agreed. One has to make that acknowledgement.

    And it doesn’t add up.

    But, you know, I think there is a weariness about the whole PED issue, at least for me, in the sense that I have been sure in my belief that certain players were clean, and then found out they weren’t. (Andy, Alex come to mind.) Unfortunately, it’s like I’ve built this wall around me so that I will no longer be so naive. It’s disconcerting, personally, to say the least. I am so much a “benefit of the doubt person” and the way I’ve been thinking about the PED issue flies in the face of what’s normal for me.

  67. Villa Nova-Ya September 10th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    austinmac -

    I appreciate that.

    And perhaps a cavalier conjecture about what conspiracies may or may not have occurred was not the best way for me to go in this discussion in the first place.

  68. Run it Out September 10th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    “Actually, I think we should know about everyone that used. We have a right to know who cheated and who didn’t. If you cheat you should be outed. I’m glad we know everyone that did or mostly everyone.”

    That’s because you are convinced he used. The review panel was not convinced. Neither you nor I have any idea how many tests have shown positive and have been successfully challenged and dismissed. That is why the procedure (agreed to by the players union and MLB) is designed to be confidential until it is conclusive that the test is a real positive not false positive.

  69. NJ Pete September 10th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Braun did not use steroids, O.J. did not kill his wife and Clinton did not have sex with that woman.

  70. Yankee Trader September 10th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    Sounds like testosterone propionate which has the shortest half-life[48 hours] is the way to go-the gold standard. Take diuretics to clear the system of active metabolites more quickly and epitestosterone to lower the ratios to an acceptable level.

    I wouldn’t be surprised that many other ballplayers were using it. Perhaps, since Cabrera was caught and more talk circulated about the masking agents used, some ballplayers, afraid of being caught, stopped.

    Did their performances suffer as a result?

  71. blake September 10th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    I suspect Austinmac is a good lawyer.

  72. theREALkevin September 10th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    “That’s because you are convinced he used. The review panel was not convinced.”

    Wrong. They were “convinced” that the process used with the sending of the sample was flawed. Not that he didn’t use. The entire thing was a complete joke & a guilty party got off on a technicality. So, yes I am glad the whole thing was made public. Very glad. Unfortunately Braun wasn’t punished, but luckily his reputation is at least somewhat tarnished.

  73. Yankee Trader September 10th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    Speaking about OJ, it was rumored that his attorney, tore the inside lining of the glove, so that OJ couldn’t put his hand in it entirely.

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_new.....ing-claims

  74. The Return of Stoneburner September 10th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    Who are we to libel someone who wasn’t proven to have committed the act.

    *******

    Two things – a defense to libel is that the statement is true. Another thing – Braun being a public figure – he would need to prove malice with making the remarks.

  75. Run it Out September 10th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

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  89. Triple Short of a Cycle September 10th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

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    ———————————————–

    No and that is not what I was saying. People always will and should get off on technicalities but to believe Ryan Braun did not do PED’s is pretty silly

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    The source also noted that synthetic testosterone doesn’t show up just because a sample sits in one place or another.

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